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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre's burning that if

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Speaker 1: it gets up we all find Welcome back, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Episode three, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest days since the show

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Speaker 1: started in terms of news, and also as a bonus,

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Speaker 1: we have our first guest, My main man, Colin Cowherd,

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Speaker 1: stopped by. I spoke to him right after the college

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Speaker 1: football news broke. Really interesting stuff. You'll want to stick

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Speaker 1: around for that, But first I've got to start with

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Speaker 1: the biggest news of the day. It's official. Unfortunately, there

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Speaker 1: will be no college football in the Big Ten or

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve this season. Nobody wins, folks. It's disappointing.

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Speaker 1: We all lose fans, the players, the media, the students.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's awful. I will never forget my first

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Speaker 1: college football game. So I started out at Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 1: I transferred out of Virginia Tech after two years, but

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Speaker 1: I started there right after high school and I had

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Speaker 1: I grew up in northern Virginia, and you know, college

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Speaker 1: football was not big in the nation's capital. Uh, college

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Speaker 1: I go down to Blacksburg and obviously, right before the

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Speaker 1: a Thursday night football game. There was a massive block party.

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Speaker 1: There's campus housing right next to the stadium. You know,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people. I'm this freshman. If you guys follow

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Speaker 1: me on Instagram, you've seen, Uh. I was eighteen, but

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Speaker 1: before kickoff, of course, everybody starts making their way to

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Speaker 1: and the kids like huh. And the guy pulls out

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. I was totally

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Speaker 1: spooked because I've been drinking all afternoon. I was like,

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Speaker 1: welcome to college, and uh, college football just it's synonymous

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Speaker 1: Saturday's drinking Fun, flip cups. I'll destroy anyone at flip cups. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you guys want to play, I'm totally down. But

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Speaker 1: that's my thought about college. Like every fall, you could

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Speaker 1: smell it in the air, the Christmas right, the leaves

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Speaker 1: are falling, those awesome mornings where there's do coming up

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Speaker 1: on the grass. It's all college football, and you know

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna have it. I know the SEC is

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Speaker 1: but you know, the reality is, I just I don't

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Speaker 1: the reality is, I don't think it's going to. And

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Speaker 1: it's sad that it's become, you know, a political issue.

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Speaker 1: But welcome to where decisions everywhere being influenced, you know,

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Speaker 1: along political lines. But I know that there are three

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to move on from politics. Listen.

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Speaker 1: It's tough in but I I guess I just gotta

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Speaker 1: see the battlefield, right. The leader cannot be down there

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Speaker 1: the college football commissioners, you know, they're down there in

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Speaker 1: the trenches on zoom. They're not zooming out, they're not

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Speaker 1: college football commissioners, they kind of have a worldview that's

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Speaker 1: Let me think about it. The commissioners make so much money.

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Speaker 1: four months during the quarantine. Maybe they joined TikTok because

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Speaker 1: we can't play colleague? You know, they totally tone deaf,

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Speaker 1: and it's disappointing. And you know, I was joking with

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Speaker 1: as a guy in sports, I could use that stuff

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Speaker 1: web podcasts. I can't do that anymore. That's disappoint It's

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Speaker 1: extremely disappointing. I know you guys probably feel the same way. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Saturdays are no longer yours in the fall now it

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Speaker 1: irony here, Okay, the league that college football fans love

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason. The NBA has done an amazing job

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver has been phenomenal owners understanding the players. The

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Speaker 1: And look at college football. They got none of that,

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Speaker 1: none of it. Next up, I think you guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna love this interview with my old buddy, current buddy. Neighbor,

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Speaker 1: he was living in Bristol, Connecticut. Colin Cowherd joining straight Fire. Colin,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, man? I mean, it's a tough time

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Speaker 1: Colin real quick here. Um, you've been very negative about

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Speaker 1: the Lakers the last couple of days, saying Portland's gonna

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Speaker 1: take them down. Colin, how many times have we been

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Speaker 1: over this? When lebron was in the East well, cats

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Speaker 1: don't look good. The Hawks won sixty games. Look out

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Speaker 1: for these raptors. I mean, we've done this so many times,

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Speaker 1: doubting Lebron. I'm a little shocked you're doubting him here.

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Speaker 1: How can I don't think the Lakers. The Lakers are

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Speaker 1: last in every offensive category that is win Lebron, James

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Speaker 1: and a D. So what does that tell you about

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Speaker 1: the supporting cast? It's junk? Can you imagine? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that would be like saying, you know, I made the

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Speaker 1: joke today on the radio. I said, if you had

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Speaker 1: two kids that were supermodels in your family, but your

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Speaker 1: family was voted ugliest on the block, how homely do

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Speaker 1: the rest of your kids have to be? So the

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Speaker 1: reality is that the Lakers, after Lebron and a D

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Speaker 1: do not have a reliable third offensive player. Danny Green

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Speaker 1: had a game in the Bubble where he was scoreless.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't think I think we

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Speaker 1: look at it. It's a very very weak, very very

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Speaker 1: weak roster after your top two players. So, okay, you

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Speaker 1: said the Lakers are last in everything in the bubble,

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Speaker 1: but the Suns and the Spurs are first. Doesn't that

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Speaker 1: tell you that Navy some of these eight games are

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Speaker 1: a little overplayed in terms of value. Well, no, because

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Speaker 1: if you look at the West during conference this year, um,

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Speaker 1: I I thought the Lakers were a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a fool's gold Number one. Paul George missed a ton

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Speaker 1: of games for the Clippers, and he and Kahi were

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Speaker 1: brand new. The Rockets had a new star and a

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Speaker 1: new coaching staff in Westbrooken, d'antoni's new staff, Portland's Nurkish

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Speaker 1: was hurt all year, Denver had everybody but Yo Kich

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Speaker 1: was banged up. Utah lost Mike Conley, so they had

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Speaker 1: to experiment. Point um in Oklahoma City was in total rebuild.

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Speaker 1: So when I looked at the West, winning the West

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Speaker 1: is not nearly as impressive as it would be in

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Speaker 1: most years. Everybody was kind of rebooting and in dealing

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Speaker 1: with injuries. So the Lakers had a d and Lebron

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Speaker 1: mostly healthy, and I do think they wanted to create

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Speaker 1: really had a new coach, they wanted to make they

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Speaker 1: didn't really have many injuries, and they wanted to make

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Speaker 1: it work, uh and kind of get the chemistry and

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Speaker 1: the confidence right. And they played really hard and they

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Speaker 1: played a lot of games Lebron played a lot of games,

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Speaker 1: so I don't think this number one. I think they

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Speaker 1: feel like a three seed to me. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: right now Houston's better, Milwaukee's better, Boston's more, even Toronto

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Speaker 1: is better. Um. I think Denver is playing pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Last night when the Lakers beat the Nuggets, Lakers had

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Speaker 1: their starters at Denver had bench guys, and they were

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Speaker 1: still getting countless easy buckets against the Lakers starting defense. Troubling.

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Speaker 1: All right, Colin Cowherd, you watch him on FS one,

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Speaker 1: here him on the Herd. He's got his Herd podcast network.

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Speaker 1: You uh you know. Uh. I'm gonna be playing him

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Speaker 1: in tennis soon and I will gladly report hopefully a victory,

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Speaker 1: although Colin's be getting more reps in than I have.

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Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd, great radio host. Good talk to you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bud, thanks again to my main man, Colin Cowherd.

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Speaker 1: Just a sharp guy. He's a leader, he knows how

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Speaker 1: to see the battlefield. He's got a great meteor rise

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Speaker 1: happening right now. Really impressive last fifteen years for that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's earned it. Colin Cowherd, good guy. All right, Onto

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Speaker 1: the NBA. I was all set to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Blazers MAVs game, which was absolutely bananas. Uh porzingis Luca

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Speaker 1: Dame Lillard had sixty one, but then Janice goes out

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Speaker 1: in the game after it and Janice headbutted Moe Wagner. Now, folks,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this video yet, uh, it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit troubling. I mean, first off, it's Moe Wagner.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing, Janice? And second of all, I

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Speaker 1: got legitimate questions about, you know, Janice's state of mind

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Speaker 1: in the bubble. I don't think I can sugarcoat this

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Speaker 1: at all. I don't know if Janice is built for this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he he just missed the last game, some dental issue.

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Speaker 1: He sat out the second half of the Nets game,

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Speaker 1: the one they lost. The Bucks are sputtering in the

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Speaker 1: in the bubble, there's no doubt, and they had a

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Speaker 1: great season and maybe Honest has ticked off. Um, Listen,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a battle of mind as

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Speaker 1: much as it is a battle of body. Being in

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Speaker 1: this bubble away from your family, It's not gonna be easy.

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Speaker 1: And I almost saw a crack in the honest dude,

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Speaker 1: Ma Wagner, who's that. I mean, I know him because

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Speaker 1: he played in Michigan, you know, and he was on

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Speaker 1: the Lakers for like eight seconds. But be honest, you

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Speaker 1: can't lose your mind when you get into it with

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Speaker 1: Moe Wagner. I mean, I'm sure some people are saying

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Speaker 1: Dutey wanted the night off. He just had the last

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Speaker 1: game off. I mean, I think we really listen. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to brag and say we're ahead of things

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Speaker 1: on this on this podcast, but we opened with college

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Speaker 1: football the first day, and two days later it's canceled

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Speaker 1: on I think it was a second day. Producer Rob

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Speaker 1: nailed it with the Loose. It was the first day,

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Speaker 1: Luca and James Harden and then Bill Simmons chimes in

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Speaker 1: the next day on that. And now we're coming off

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Speaker 1: Your Honest yesterday. I'm saying, listen, there's some concerns about

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Speaker 1: the Bucks and Boom. The Honest is dropping head butts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's out there going zen Adine Zadan on

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Speaker 1: Moe Wagner, and I just keep saying Moe Wagner because

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Speaker 1: I like how it sounds. But we're talking about an

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Speaker 1: m v P and a Defensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 1: headbutting a dude. I think he's looking at a minimum

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Speaker 1: of two games. I think they'll give him three. Remember,

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Speaker 1: the NBA needs to come down kind of firm here.

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Speaker 1: They can't give him one because the Bucks have another

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Speaker 1: game and he's probably not gonna play in that one anyway.

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Speaker 1: You can't just give him a one game suspension, a

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Speaker 1: slap on the wrist like that, because listen, the Bubble

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Speaker 1: is gonna be heated in the playoffs. We know that,

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Speaker 1: and the president right now is the honest. Um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I saw a lot of concern with the

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Speaker 1: Bucks these uh, these last few days, and I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if anybody in the East is scared of

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Speaker 1: them right now. Okay, no home court advantage. They don't

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Speaker 1: look like the Jogger, not now. Listen, maybe they trounced

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Speaker 1: the Magic. Listen, even if your honest has to miss

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Speaker 1: the first game or two, they're still gonna beat up

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Speaker 1: on the Magic pretty good. Okay, Orlando, they just don't

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Speaker 1: have the bodies, no Isaac, no Gordon, and no winning

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Speaker 1: that series. But I'm I touched on it yesterday and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down right now. The Miami Heat are

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Speaker 1: a team to watch the Duncan Robinson. I know you're laughing.

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Speaker 1: I know you're laughing. Don't kid Robinson, Tyler, Hero, Jimmy Butler,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Ola, Nick. This is a team that's gonna jack

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Speaker 1: up a ton of threes. They can run and jump

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Speaker 1: with the best of them. They've got the bodies, uh

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Speaker 1: in Bom out of Bio to throw it you honest.

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Speaker 1: By the way, um My, my parents do listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast. My dad actually called me and said, oh

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Speaker 1: you your parents don't like sports, huh, and kind of

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Speaker 1: made a joke out of it. They don't love sports,

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy they're listening. Anyways. I have a great

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Speaker 1: analogy for Bam out of Bio. In a way, he's

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Speaker 1: Jason McIntyre. So Bam out of Bio goes to Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and obviously he was pegged from all the recruiting guys.

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Speaker 1: Is Oh he he's a great rebound guy, shot block,

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Speaker 1: rim runner. That's what you want Bam out of Bio

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Speaker 1: to do. And I had read a story where Bam

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Speaker 1: at of Bio got to Kentucky and he said, oh, coach, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why can't I take the ball at the three point

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Speaker 1: line and make a move and take somebody off the bounce.

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Speaker 1: I can do that. And you know, Kyla part is like,

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Speaker 1: let's not do that, Let's let's have you. Let's put

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Speaker 1: you in a position to succeed shot blocking and dunking.

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Speaker 1: And Bam said, okay, I'll do that because he's a

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Speaker 1: good soldier. Bam out of Bio gets to the Miami Heat,

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Speaker 1: one of the steels of the draft, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and he starts at practice can show more than being

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Speaker 1: a shot blocker, rim runner, alley, you pick and roll

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Speaker 1: dunk guy. And the Miami Heat one of the best

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Speaker 1: and smartest organizations in the NBA for player development. They

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Speaker 1: are at or near the top. They've been phenomenal and

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Speaker 1: they say, wait a second, Bam can do more than that.

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Speaker 1: We can have him doing way more that just blocking

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Speaker 1: shots and dunking like everybody's told him to do for

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And the Miami Heat aren't

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Speaker 1: focused on what he can't do. They are focused on

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Speaker 1: what he can do. And Bam auta Bio is going

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Speaker 1: to be a factor. I'm telling you now, I'm calling it.

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Speaker 1: I've gone off on a Bam out of Bio tangent.

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Speaker 1: You just watch. He's the guy. I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: he's gonna shut down your honest, but he will be

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Speaker 1: able to hang with him. That heat Buck second round

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Speaker 1: series could be phenomenal. All right, now, onto Portland's, which

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Speaker 1: sadly is going to advance to play the Lakers in

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Speaker 1: the first round of the playoffs. Portland beating Dallas on

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Speaker 1: a Damian Lillard sixty one point night eight team for

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Speaker 1: eighteen from the line. He scored or assisted on his

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Speaker 1: team's final thirty two points. I mean, listen, Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 1: I mean I started to drop another name, but he

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Speaker 1: does work out in my gym in the offseason. He's

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal talent, all around good guy. It's hard not

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Speaker 1: to be at before him. I just don't want him

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Speaker 1: taking down the Lakers in the first round. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't mind playing the homework card. We need the

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Speaker 1: Akers making a playoff run, not just for this podcast

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Speaker 1: and ever everything in general. What we need Lebron in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Playoffs were a little flat last year in

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Speaker 1: the East. You had the Raptors and Bucks a good series,

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Speaker 1: but no, you're missing the juice of one of the

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Speaker 1: great stars in this generation in sports, and so Lebron

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Speaker 1: getting by the Blazers is mandatory. If he gets bounced

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Speaker 1: by the Clippers, so be it. But Damian Little is

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Speaker 1: gonna give Lebron and Kuzma and a D problems. Now,

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Speaker 1: I I don't think Portland could stop a nosebleed defensively.

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Speaker 1: If k c P or Caruso or caruse Show however

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Speaker 1: you want to call him, if one of them can

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Speaker 1: slow down Lillard just a little bit, I think the

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Speaker 1: Lakers will be fine and they win five or six.

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Speaker 1: So NBA bubble wraps up on I believe Thursday, and UH,

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Speaker 1: let's just say we have a special guest slated for

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Speaker 1: uh next week to prepare everyone for the NBA playoffs.

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Speaker 1: WHI are gonna be hot fire and we will cover

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Speaker 1: them extensively on Straight Fire. Quick shout out. We are

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Speaker 1: obviously going to do NFL heavily on the podcast. We

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Speaker 1: haven't done any. I watched Hard Knocks last night. It

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Speaker 1: was but we'll do all obviously heavy, NBA heavy, NFL

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Speaker 1: whatever the left of college football. I can't wait. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for sticking around on Straight Fire. Remember subscribe, rate

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Speaker 1: and review. Catch you tomorrow,