WEBVTT - Elián, Part Two: The Ultimatum

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<v Speaker 1>From Futromidia and PRX. It's Latino Usa. I'm Mariaino hossa.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time we were the first episode of the Elian

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez Story about a young Cuban boy rescued at sea,

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<v Speaker 1>but what followed after he was found was a diplomatic

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<v Speaker 1>crisis between the United States and Cuba. In the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard all about how Elian Gonzalez was rescued alone

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<v Speaker 1>from the Florida Straits. His mother died while trying to

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<v Speaker 1>cross from Cuba, and the boy was placed with relatives

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<v Speaker 1>he had in Miami. The Miami relatives believed it was

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's dream for Elian to stay in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>but his father in Cuba wanted his boy back. We

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the story now with episode two of Chess

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<v Speaker 1>Peace the Elian Gonzalez Story. Here's host and Latino USA

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<v Speaker 1>co executive producer Benny Later.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it.

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<v Speaker 3>When Elian made it to Miami. I was twelve years

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<v Speaker 3>old living in Cuba. My younger brother, Juan Carlos, who

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<v Speaker 3>we called Kuankey, was eight. Kuankey, like me, remembers. Alian's

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<v Speaker 3>face was everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course, and they made surets and posters.

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<v Speaker 2>And all over the school.

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<v Speaker 4>There was the flavor of the month.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Elian's story was more than just the flavor

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<v Speaker 3>of the month. Actually, it was a national cause. Before

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<v Speaker 3>Elian was even rescued, his family in Cuba had contacted

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<v Speaker 3>the Communist party in his hometown seeking help. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>Fidel Castro found out about Ilian. The Cuban government sent

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<v Speaker 3>a message to the US the day after Elian was

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<v Speaker 3>found tregression, and Mino Superba in Cuba returned the boy

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<v Speaker 3>to his father in Cuba. In the days that followed,

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<v Speaker 3>Castro met with Ilian's father and became increasingly angry.

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<v Speaker 5>In film and check.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, the US has kidnapped Elian Gonzalez.

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<v Speaker 6>The opinion shut down where.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounded a little like a threat, But the ominous

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<v Speaker 3>stone in Castro's voice escaped my key brother. He was

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<v Speaker 3>more concerned that he could not watch his regular cartoons

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<v Speaker 3>because of the constant news about Eliang.

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<v Speaker 4>They were giving a whole spill of bring back Alan

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<v Speaker 4>at that time. I'm a kaid that really didn't care

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<v Speaker 4>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not care about cartoons. I was just a

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<v Speaker 3>regular nerdy preteen, dividing my time between poetry and the

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<v Speaker 3>spice girls. The year before, my father had fled Cuba

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<v Speaker 3>for Miami. He was trying to escape the poverty and

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<v Speaker 3>instability of our country. I didn't know when I will

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<v Speaker 3>see him again. Much of this time in my life

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<v Speaker 3>is blurry, but there is one sharp memory. I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>front of the US headquarters in Cuba at a government

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<v Speaker 3>mandated protest that I was required to attend, screaming loudly

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<v Speaker 3>and Elian bring back Ilian to Cuba. This memory surprises

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<v Speaker 3>me now because frankly, I don't remember what I actually

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<v Speaker 3>thought of Elia, like I don't remember actually having an opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet here I was at this protest, screaming from

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of my heart. I have come to realize

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<v Speaker 3>I was not a screaming for Elian. I was screaming

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<v Speaker 3>for my dad, screaming in frustration that, like Elean, the

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<v Speaker 3>same strip of ocean separated me from my father. I

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<v Speaker 3>did not understand or really care about the political forces

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<v Speaker 3>that had caused or separation. I only knew that I

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<v Speaker 3>missed him, that I needed him, that I was angry

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<v Speaker 3>that I could not be with him, and so I screamed.

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<v Speaker 4>No family issue had to go through what we went,

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<v Speaker 4>just because I'm looking for a better future.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother told me this recently. I agree, but we

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<v Speaker 3>are Cuban, and to be Cuban is so often to

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<v Speaker 3>be separated from their family. And Penny later meets and

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<v Speaker 3>this is chess peace. The Elian Gonzalez Story a production

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<v Speaker 3>of Ututa Studios in partnership with iHeart Michael Turda podcast Network.

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<v Speaker 3>On December sixth, nineteen ninety nine, Elian Gonzalez celebrated his

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<v Speaker 3>sixth birthday in Miami. It was just a week and

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<v Speaker 3>a half after he had been rescued from the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>He had been staying with distant relatives on his dad's side,

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<v Speaker 3>his great uncle Lasara Gonzalez, and Lazaro's twenty one year

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<v Speaker 3>old daughter, Mary Leasis.

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<v Speaker 7>How did he survive by himself when he's only five?

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<v Speaker 7>And the only thing I could probably say that it's

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<v Speaker 7>just a miracle.

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<v Speaker 3>People said. She became like a mother figure for Elian.

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<v Speaker 3>She cared for him, making him chocolate milk, something that

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<v Speaker 3>was a luxury in Cuba and that Elean had quickly

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<v Speaker 3>come to love. One journalist reported that Mary Leasis would

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<v Speaker 3>say to Elian, mere Allan Sito, your grandmothers cannot make

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<v Speaker 3>you this in Cua.

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<v Speaker 8>Just want him to be wherever he wants to be comfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Mari Lesis quickly became the family spokesperson. Unlike her father,

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<v Speaker 3>she spoke English well because she had been raised in

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<v Speaker 3>the US. She was young, passionate about the lean, and

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable in front of the cameras. I asked him, if

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<v Speaker 3>do you want to go back?

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<v Speaker 9>You mean you know you want to stay here, and

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<v Speaker 9>he said, I don't want to go back.

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<v Speaker 3>She and her father, last Settle, believed Elian's mother died

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<v Speaker 3>trying to give him safety and freedom in the US,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were not alone. Cuban Americans would show up

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<v Speaker 3>at their house demand in the US government let Elean

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<v Speaker 3>stay in the US. Yeamanda. People would say it would

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<v Speaker 3>be a shame to send the boy back to communism

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<v Speaker 3>and hunger in Cuba. At his birthday at a local park,

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<v Speaker 3>Elien was given men gifts and a huge birthday cake.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was an Alien's only birthday party in Cuba.

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<v Speaker 3>His school organized a celebration in his absence with a

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<v Speaker 3>special guest, Fidel Gastro himself stopped by. He wore his

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<v Speaker 3>typical olive green military uniform. Alien's father, Juamiel spoke to

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<v Speaker 3>his son by phone that day to wish him a

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<v Speaker 3>happy birthday, and they spoke as if Alien will be

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<v Speaker 3>back in Cuba soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that went to Heidi.

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<v Speaker 3>Really there were protests in Havana marking the week of

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<v Speaker 3>Alian's birthday. Cubans chanted down with imperialism, socialism, or death

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Wenday. But the protests in Cuba did not change

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<v Speaker 3>eleians status in the US. His future was still in limbo.

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<v Speaker 3>His Miami relatives had begun the process to file for

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<v Speaker 3>asylum for Elian. At the time, Cubans were guaranteed entry

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<v Speaker 3>to the US if they made it to the US soil.

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<v Speaker 3>But Elian didn't technically meet these requirements.

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<v Speaker 10>Because he was rescued at sea and never made it

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<v Speaker 10>to the shoreline.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a wet Cuban national.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Bernie Permurder, professor of law at the University

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<v Speaker 3>of Miami. He's referring to an unusual American policy at

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<v Speaker 3>the time known as bieseco pimojus or wet foot dryfoot.

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<v Speaker 3>It allowed any Cuban to legally stay in the US

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<v Speaker 3>as long as they made it to the American shore

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<v Speaker 3>after crossing the ocean from Cuba. Literally stepping on dry land,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the dry foot. But Cubans who were captured or

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<v Speaker 3>rescued at sea by the cost Guard, they were not

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<v Speaker 3>permitted entry to the United States. That's the wet foot.

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<v Speaker 10>The federal government had taken legal custody of elianis I

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<v Speaker 10>said he didn't reach the shore, so he did not

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<v Speaker 10>have the benefit of dry feet landing on the beaches

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<v Speaker 10>of Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>So Alien's status under immigration law was not certain, and

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<v Speaker 3>another immigration policy in the US at that time said

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<v Speaker 3>that only a parent could apply for asylum for their child.

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<v Speaker 3>So to immigration officials, Alien's Miami relatives didn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>authority to decide the boy's fate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I understand what their rights are. These

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<v Speaker 2>are distant relatives.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Jim Goldman, former special agent with US Immigration

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<v Speaker 3>and Naturalization Services or ions. We shall say in unusual circumstances,

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<v Speaker 3>the law does allow the government to assign a guardian

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<v Speaker 3>to one unaccompanied child, even if there are distant relatives

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<v Speaker 3>or not relatives. But in this case, the government was

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<v Speaker 3>insistent that there was no need to since Alien's father

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<v Speaker 3>wanted him back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the biological father has more right to make

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<v Speaker 2>decisions for his child at the time was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five and six years old. More so than anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim thinks this case should have been open and shopped.

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<v Speaker 2>But it became a hot topic because I think the

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<v Speaker 2>system allowed for it to become a hot topic.

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<v Speaker 3>He's right.

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<v Speaker 7>Tensions between the United States and Cuba get hotter every

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<v Speaker 7>day six year old Cuban refugee Ilian Gonzales remains in

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<v Speaker 7>this country.

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<v Speaker 3>The American media system jumped on Alien's story.

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<v Speaker 11>Cuban men, women and children pro tested on the streets

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<v Speaker 11>of Havana by the thousands last night. It was the

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<v Speaker 11>largest turnout so far in the third night of protest,

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<v Speaker 11>orchestrated by Fidel Castro.

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<v Speaker 3>It became the biggest story in the country at a

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<v Speaker 3>time when networks competed for wall to world news covers.

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<v Speaker 12>It happens at the same time that we have the

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<v Speaker 12>modern media machine being created, the twenty four hour news cycle,

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<v Speaker 12>the dying of network news, the expansion of cable news,

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<v Speaker 12>the need for content.

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<v Speaker 3>Go back and look at some of the news archives,

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<v Speaker 3>and it does start to feel at times like Elean

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<v Speaker 3>was treated like content. There were cameras always stuck in

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<v Speaker 3>Ilian outside the Miami home, reporters trying to catch a

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<v Speaker 3>look of him playing ball being a little boy.

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<v Speaker 5>Relatives of Elian Gonzalez say they saw a different side

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<v Speaker 5>of the six year old, a boy simply filled with

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<v Speaker 5>joy and happiness.

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<v Speaker 3>Reporters tried to capture every detail of Alian's introduction to

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<v Speaker 3>American culture, like when he went to Disney World for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time, where he got a personal hug and

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<v Speaker 3>a baseball hat autograph Bornana Masi Alamnos came Mickey Mouse himself.

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<v Speaker 5>But Ellian showed some lingering signs of his Thanksgiving ordeal

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<v Speaker 5>and rescue at sea when he went on the It's

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<v Speaker 5>a Small World water.

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<v Speaker 3>Rod and the interview request kept coming. Diane Sawyer had

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<v Speaker 3>a playdate with Lean on camera.

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<v Speaker 2>It was probably the biggest media item in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the world at the time.

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<v Speaker 9>He would go to a party, you would go to

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<v Speaker 9>a restaurant, you would see your family. The talk the

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<v Speaker 9>main subject was Elian. You know what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 9>to that boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Alina Mayo Assay is a television news bra a seasoned

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<v Speaker 3>news anchor who covered Miami's biggest stories for decades. She

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<v Speaker 3>says nothing at the time could compare to the appeal

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<v Speaker 3>of the the end story. It was unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 9>It was our headline story practically every day. It was

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<v Speaker 9>before a Lean and after a Lian. It definitely marked

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<v Speaker 9>a line and the story and the history of the

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<v Speaker 9>Cuban exile in the United States, especially in Miami.

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<v Speaker 3>But in Cuba. The US media frenzy seemed to make

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<v Speaker 3>Fidel Castro even more upset. And soon Castro will send

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<v Speaker 3>another stern message. Returned the boy in seventy two hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Check Fidel's message to the US was clear. Returned the

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<v Speaker 3>boy in three days only, not Elo Freman. So that

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<v Speaker 3>the page suffering on trauma Dipoi and his family does

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<v Speaker 3>not go a minut longer, he said, and his words

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<v Speaker 3>were in the only ominous move. Castro stationed several dozen

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<v Speaker 3>Cuban soldiers outside of the US Government Intersection Office in Havana.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the headquarters where I remember attending government sponsor

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<v Speaker 3>protests for Elian. I remember the tension in the air,

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<v Speaker 3>the vague sense that there was something biggest stake here,

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<v Speaker 3>something with a lot of biggers. To understand why lands

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<v Speaker 3>case became such a big deal, you had to understand

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<v Speaker 3>the complicated relationship between Cuba and the United States. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>start in the early fifties. At this time, Cuba was

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<v Speaker 3>ruled by Fulhenzioattista, who was once elected, but whose government

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<v Speaker 3>had been become essentially a military dictatorship.

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<v Speaker 13>Six years of surface prosperity and government corruption, of repression

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<v Speaker 13>and police brutality right explosive discontent.

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<v Speaker 3>Mattista was friendly to US interests, allowing American companies like

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<v Speaker 3>Coca Cola and United Fruit to warn a giant amount

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<v Speaker 3>of Cuban land workers struggled to survive on low wages

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<v Speaker 3>and oppressive conditions. This inequality ripened the country for the

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<v Speaker 3>ideals of Fidel Castro's revolution Urbis.

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<v Speaker 6>Fidel Castro emerged triumphant after two years a guerrilla warfare

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<v Speaker 6>against the Batista regime.

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<v Speaker 2>A revolution that.

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<v Speaker 9>Began with Castro a fugitive, ended with the finding dictator

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<v Speaker 9>for Cencio Battista and the entry into Havana of rebel

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<v Speaker 9>forces to be acclaimed by the city.

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<v Speaker 3>He and his fighters, including a John Argentinian doctor named

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<v Speaker 3>Ermeto che Evara, eventually over through Battista and his government.

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<v Speaker 3>Castro and his men were the underdogs. The uprising had

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<v Speaker 3>begun with just eighteen men in the mountains of La

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<v Speaker 3>Sierra Maestra, and it had spread to the whole island.

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<v Speaker 3>At first, the US was not alarmed.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, when Fidel Castro's fighting to depose Battista, he's not

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<v Speaker 7>calling himself communists. Many of the people who were in

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<v Speaker 7>his movement, which was called the twenty sixth of July Movement,

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<v Speaker 7>were young people who were ardently anti communists.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Ala Ferrer, the Cuban American history professor at

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<v Speaker 3>Princeton you heard from in episode one.

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<v Speaker 7>But they believed in deposing Batista. They believed in acting

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<v Speaker 7>against government corruption.

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<v Speaker 3>By nineteen sixty, the new government approved laws that banned

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<v Speaker 3>all foreign ownership of Cuban land, banishing American companies from

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<v Speaker 3>the island and nationalizing their businesses. His government also confiscated

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<v Speaker 3>the law of Cubans who held more than one thousand acres.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Castro's own mother was apparently outraged that her son

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<v Speaker 3>had confiscated their family estate. Castro redistributed this line to

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<v Speaker 3>workers or statecomings.

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<v Speaker 7>They start enacting social reforms like the urban reform, cutting rents,

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<v Speaker 7>and with all these laws that they're passing, they're getting

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<v Speaker 7>enormous amounts of support.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of that support came from my own grandparents, who

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<v Speaker 3>got the chance to buy for almost nothing the apartment

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<v Speaker 3>that they were renting before the revolution. It was the

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<v Speaker 3>same apartment where I was raised with my mother thirty

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<v Speaker 3>years after that. Not everyone felt like my grandparents.

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<v Speaker 7>Obviously, the people whose land is being taken away are

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<v Speaker 7>not necessarily going to support.

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<v Speaker 3>But Castro was well liked in Cuba, not just by

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<v Speaker 3>my grandparents but by many other Cubans.

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<v Speaker 6>Save with your policies in Cuba, doctor Castro leading to

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<v Speaker 6>conditions of great economic difficulty?

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<v Speaker 8>Is this so everybody working, everybody happy?

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<v Speaker 3>In this nineteen sixty one BBC interview, Castro is young, smiling,

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<v Speaker 3>easy going. The journalist wrote that Castro charmed and impressed

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<v Speaker 3>many reporters. When Castro came to power, he promised democratic

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<v Speaker 3>elections would come as soon as the new government stabilized,

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<v Speaker 3>But by the early sixties that hadn't happened. The Cubans

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<v Speaker 3>who let for the United States after Castro had taken

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<v Speaker 3>their land. So Castro not for a revolutionary but a despot.

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<v Speaker 6>Some people say, some of your Cuban enemies, says yes.

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<v Speaker 6>People in Miami Americans say that you started a revolution

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<v Speaker 6>to bring in democracy, and you have not done so.

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<v Speaker 3>In this part of the video, when the reporter meants

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<v Speaker 3>Cubans in Miami, Castro gives a Sondricita his marks a little.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you believe that there is no democracy here? And

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<v Speaker 8>I'm ensure there is more your question than that. In

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<v Speaker 8>the United States, the most free main man you can't

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<v Speaker 8>find in all America is the Cuban.

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<v Speaker 3>Ada says that in a survey from February of nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>fifty nine, about ninety one percent of the respondents said

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<v Speaker 3>that the new government was doing everything perfectly well, but

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<v Speaker 3>Washington didn't feel this way. Here is adaigen.

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<v Speaker 7>The President and senators and congressmen were saying, what is

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<v Speaker 7>Cuba doing? It's turning communists.

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<v Speaker 3>By nineteen sixty two, the US had cut diplomatic ties

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<v Speaker 3>with Cuba and declared and embargo forbidding American trade with Cuba,

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<v Speaker 3>hoping to create shortages and hunger on the island to

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<v Speaker 3>destiblize Castro's new government. By this time, Castro had been

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<v Speaker 3>turning into the Soviet Union for help and trade.

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<v Speaker 8>To what the United States and self respect can endure.

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<v Speaker 14>That level has now been reached.

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<v Speaker 3>The CIA also secretly trained some fourteen hundred Cubans who

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<v Speaker 3>had led for the US to invade Cuba at the

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<v Speaker 3>Way of Peaks Lava Yedecuccinos, believing the attack could kickstart

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<v Speaker 3>an uprising against Castro. But the attended invasion failed miserably.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember learning in our history classes in Cuba about

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<v Speaker 3>these early days of Castro's rule, how he created news systems,

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<v Speaker 3>free health care, and free education, improving the quality of

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<v Speaker 3>life for ordinary Cubans. I remember some people in Cuba

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<v Speaker 3>saying that yes, their life improved at the beginning, and

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<v Speaker 3>they supported Castro, pretty convinced that great years were ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I didn't learn in school was that from

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<v Speaker 3>the very beginning, the censorin and self censorin started, and

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Cuba quickly became a place with almost no freedom of expression.

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<v Speaker 3>Under this new regime, dissidents were often imprisoned, and then

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<v Speaker 3>thanks got worse.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a period that follows the fall of the Soviet

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<v Speaker 7>Union and state socialism in Eastern Europe, and the Cuban

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<v Speaker 7>economy just tanked almost from one day to the next.

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<v Speaker 7>There was the joke of you know, Cuba, but it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't really a joke. You know, Cuba just has three problems,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, Theresa Union and Mercilla Comedia breakfast, lunch and dinner.

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<v Speaker 7>And everywhere I went, the constant refrain was noise fasci

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<v Speaker 7>everyone had the reservation meant that and it was just

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<v Speaker 7>this constant struggle to live and to survive.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the decades, waves of Kuwan's left the island for

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<v Speaker 3>the US in flights and votes. There were the fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>thousand children who were put on planes to Miami in

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<v Speaker 3>fear that they will be taken away from their families

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<v Speaker 3>and put in Communist inductrination camps. That never happened, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way.

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<v Speaker 7>Then the next wave was nineteen eighty and the Maria

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<v Speaker 7>boat lived in which one hundred and twenty five thousand

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<v Speaker 7>people came in the space of about you know, five months.

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<v Speaker 8>Even less, the president has literally opened the floodgates, placing

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<v Speaker 8>no limitations on the number of Cubans entering the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>A decade after Mariel, with the fall of the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 3>Cuba entered the years of severest scarcity that I remember

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<v Speaker 3>from my childhood. The Cuban government named it the Special

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<v Speaker 3>Period or Elperio pessiet Then there.

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<v Speaker 7>Was the Raftro crisis in ninety four, which I think

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<v Speaker 7>was about thirty five thousand people in the space of

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<v Speaker 7>a few months. But in all those years there were

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<v Speaker 7>people leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the time, families could not leave Cuba together.

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<v Speaker 3>They would decide who had a better chance to leave, save,

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<v Speaker 3>send money, and work hard to help the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the family on the island. There are many families like

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<v Speaker 3>mine and Aliens where a parent or a child comes

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<v Speaker 3>without the rest of their family.

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<v Speaker 7>Family separation is, you know, was a part of the

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<v Speaker 7>story of the Cuban Revolution from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>Family separation has become such a part of the Cuban

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<v Speaker 3>cultural DNA that is actually pretty difficult to meet a

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<v Speaker 3>Cuban who has not been touched by it. And who

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<v Speaker 3>you blame for that separation depends on what side of

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<v Speaker 3>the small strip of ocean between Cuba and Florida you

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<v Speaker 3>are on. Alien's story flooded every corner of life in Cuba.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember not just attending but watching the protests in

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<v Speaker 3>Havana demanding Elian be brought home. So those Harold Cardinas,

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<v Speaker 3>Quban journalist and political analyst.

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<v Speaker 13>People in Havana had to rally all the time, and

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<v Speaker 13>it's impressive when you look at the images of the

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<v Speaker 13>Malecon in Havana next to the sea full of probably

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<v Speaker 13>millions of Cubans. That is an impressive thing that showed

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<v Speaker 13>the capacity that the Kivan government had back then to

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<v Speaker 13>rally people and to bring them together for a cause.

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<v Speaker 13>I am sure that many of them were strongly encouraged

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<v Speaker 13>in their jobs to join those rallies, but others were

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<v Speaker 13>going because they really believe in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt this too. Sure there were people there because

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<v Speaker 3>the protests were mandated, but I also saw people who

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<v Speaker 3>were truly calling for his return, outraged that the boy

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<v Speaker 3>was being kept from his father.

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<v Speaker 13>Obviously, at that age, it's hard to distinguish between the

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<v Speaker 13>real fight of a kid that deserves to be with

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<v Speaker 13>his father and the propaganda and how the governments also

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<v Speaker 13>used people citizens for propaganda purposes, So as a child

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<v Speaker 13>it was hard to distinguish a propaganda.

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<v Speaker 15>On both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>In Cuba, I remember hearing a lot about how Alien's

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<v Speaker 3>father had never agreed that Ilan could be taken to

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, how the US was keeping a boy

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<v Speaker 3>away from the rightful parent, another example of the evil

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<v Speaker 3>US Empire. But for Cubans in Florida. This case was

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<v Speaker 3>about freedom and saving a boy from oppression.

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<v Speaker 14>Many of the people, the Quban Americans in Miami identified

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<v Speaker 14>with the mother and her motivations for doing what she did,

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<v Speaker 14>and the fact that she lost her life in trying

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<v Speaker 14>to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is former Assistant Secretary of State Petrometro. But this

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<v Speaker 3>idea that Alien's mother had died trying to reach freedom

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<v Speaker 3>for her son is not as black and white. There

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<v Speaker 3>is some evidence that Alien's mother was going to the

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<v Speaker 3>United States not for freedom, but to follow her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 15>They truly were the Cuban Romeo and Juliet Well.

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<v Speaker 3>She was reputting the story. Journalist and Louis bardak So

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<v Speaker 3>a five page love letter between the couple, and she

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<v Speaker 3>and others are convinced that love was the real motive.

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<v Speaker 15>The reason the mother was on the boat was because

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<v Speaker 15>of her great love for Rafa Muneerum. If Rafa had

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<v Speaker 15>said we're going to Iceland or we're going to Columbia,

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<v Speaker 15>I think she would have.

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<v Speaker 3>Gone with him, regardless of why she got an boat.

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<v Speaker 3>What you should know is people either identified with Lilian's

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<v Speaker 3>mom and the US or Alien's dad and Cuba.

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<v Speaker 14>Everybody can understand. You know, a child who's a Cuban

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<v Speaker 14>child taken away from you know, the bosom of the

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.360
<v Speaker 14>motherland and all that stuff, and you know we want

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<v Speaker 14>him back, And yeah, I mean it was it was

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<v Speaker 14>great for propaganda.

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<v Speaker 3>I see how Alian was used by both sides to

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<v Speaker 3>boaster ideology. But mostly when I see Alian, I see

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<v Speaker 3>US Cubans, people who have experienced family separation over seven decades.

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<v Speaker 3>I see my family, my brother Juanky, who now lives

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<v Speaker 3>in Miami and works as a SWAT paramedic and firefighter.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people thought that you look like Ilian yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, that was my nickname on Fire Academy when

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<v Speaker 4>I was eighteen, or my English pretty much up. But

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<v Speaker 4>back then it was pretty bad, and that was my

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<v Speaker 4>nigdim of Fire Academy, Alion Gonzales. You know, you are

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<v Speaker 4>the little refugees million.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true my brother does look like Elean. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's been easier for me to imagine Elean

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<v Speaker 3>not as a headline, not as a piece of geopolitics

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<v Speaker 3>or history, or even as propaganda. No, I see Elean

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<v Speaker 3>as someone who once was a boy in a new

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<v Speaker 3>and unknown country without his mom or his dad, and

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I know the whole that creates in your heart to

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<v Speaker 3>be separated from a parent. Forces greater than you keeping

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 3>you from them, Countries and their policies, politicians and their aims,

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 3>reporters and their deadlines. That's all in the periphery. At

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<v Speaker 3>the center, at the art of Elian's journey is that

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<v Speaker 3>he was a boy who longed for his parents like

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<v Speaker 3>I once did.

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<v Speaker 1>That was episode two of Chess Piece, the Elian Gonzalez

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