Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. Tell me what you were telling me
Speaker 1: before about how you have watched the show or which parts.
Speaker 2: So I used to watch like random episodes with my
Speaker 2: best friend in the seventh grade.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we had any.
Speaker 2: Business watching Sex in the City in the seventh grade,
Speaker 2: but we would do it. We would steal her mom's car,
Speaker 2: go to this place called Cafe Training, get takeout Chinese
Speaker 2: food in Utah, in Utah, Oh my gosh, wow, come
Speaker 2: back to her house and just like whatever was playing,
Speaker 2: I guess it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know when they would.
Speaker 1: Do I don't know what this is, probably when it
Speaker 1: was on e right like like it did it have
Speaker 1: the bad words and stuff taken out?
Speaker 3: No? Oh, okay o, we will in it. Wow.
Speaker 2: So recently, I want to say, maybe like five six
Speaker 2: months ago, I was like, you know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start Sex in the City from start to finish.
Speaker 2: I am obsessed. When I was asked this podcast, I
Speaker 2: was so intimidated.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was like taking notes on the episode.
Speaker 3: That's endorable. I can't wait to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 1: So when you so so so.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the whole thing yet?
Speaker 2: I have seen so how many seasons were this there's
Speaker 2: six seasons, yes, season one through six. I watched all
Speaker 2: of that, okay, and then I had seen the movies.
Speaker 2: So now what I've been told because I was posting
Speaker 2: throughout as I was watching got it being like I
Speaker 2: just started this show is amazing. Everyone's like, this is
Speaker 2: crazy that you, of all people have never seen it.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: It is a little crazy, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm all about sex and I'm all about it being
Speaker 2: in the city, and so now I'm going to go
Speaker 2: back and watch the movies even though I've seen that.
Speaker 3: Right, and We'll start and just like post exactly post school.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: So what I mean, I wish I had been following
Speaker 1: along as you were posting, but I have you in person,
Speaker 1: so I should just hear in person. So obviously everyone
Speaker 1: tells me, and I'm rewatching it now for the first time, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I saw each episode as we were going, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it would be rough, it wouldn't be finished, like there
Speaker 1: would be music missing, or there would be a visual
Speaker 1: effects missing or things like that, Right, but we were
Speaker 1: always really anxious to see you know, we would at
Speaker 1: least I remember us being in Sir Jusca said she
Speaker 1: didn't watch.
Speaker 4: All of it, but I feel like she did.
Speaker 1: I feel like we talked about it, but that was
Speaker 1: obviously a very long time ago. But we would run home,
Speaker 1: we would get VHS from HBO and before it aired, yeah,
Speaker 1: and go run home and watch it because we were
Speaker 1: you know, we were so in in it, in it
Speaker 1: and of it, like everything was exciting, you know, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I didn't ever like to rewatch it when
Speaker 1: it was on E or on the different you know,
Speaker 1: versions of what it was on, because it seemed like
Speaker 1: I would get stuck in the past, like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to just sit and think about it. And I
Speaker 1: would just walk by and be like, oh, look at
Speaker 1: where still we look.
Speaker 4: So young, you know, and just keep going. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you were critical?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I definitely am critical, but probably more critical when I
Speaker 1: would first watch it, Okay, and that has gotten better
Speaker 1: with time, right, because now it is thirty almost thirty
Speaker 1: years later.
Speaker 4: Wow, this is insane.
Speaker 1: There's nothing I can do now about my performance, right, nope,
Speaker 1: it's off my shoulders. Like, for instance, there is a
Speaker 1: scene in this episode. I have rewatched this episode twice now, Oh,
Speaker 1: I should tell everybody we are rewatching Easy Come, Easy Go,
Speaker 1: which I have to say is one of the best.
Speaker 1: It's good episodes. Oh my gosh, so much happens. It's
Speaker 1: season three and it's when I get engaged. So when
Speaker 1: Kyle Kyle recently came on and we discussed, so I
Speaker 1: had watched all kind of the highlights of the Tray relationship,
Speaker 1: but then I rewatched it this morning before I was
Speaker 1: going to see you, because it's just such a great
Speaker 1: episode and.
Speaker 4: So much happens. Yeah, so much happens.
Speaker 1: But there is a scene in this episode, and I
Speaker 1: remember at the time also feeling like I didn't do
Speaker 1: it well.
Speaker 3: And then when I.
Speaker 1: Watched it for Kyle, I also thought I didn't do
Speaker 1: it well.
Speaker 4: And then this third time watching I was like, no.
Speaker 3: It's fine, like I actually crushed it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I crushed it.
Speaker 4: I never think that way, right, But the scene when
Speaker 4: I go to.
Speaker 1: Tell Carry about the engagement, yeah, I don't love my
Speaker 1: performance then, And I have a very very visceral memory
Speaker 1: of what it was like on the set that day
Speaker 1: because everyone had When I say everyone, I mean behind
Speaker 1: the camera, right. Like it was directed by Charles McDougal,
Speaker 1: so one of my favorite directors, and Charles is a
Speaker 1: great director because he doesn't really micromanage. But the way
Speaker 1: that our show was, our writers were very, very involved
Speaker 1: and they were always there. So Michael Patrick King wrote
Speaker 1: our episode. He's one of our executive producers. We love
Speaker 1: him very much. But also we had a bunch of
Speaker 1: women writers and they would all be there, like if
Speaker 1: it was a big scene, everybody would be there and
Speaker 1: everyone would basically tell you what they wanted you to do,
Speaker 1: especially back then, like now I would be like, okay, guys,
Speaker 1: that's enough, Like let me.
Speaker 4: Just do it right exactly.
Speaker 3: But back then, this.
Speaker 1: Was really Charlotte's first big storyline, you know, and like
Speaker 1: with a lot going on over many episodes, and in
Speaker 1: this beginning with Trey, we were really laying the groundwork
Speaker 1: of what was going to happened between me and him. Right,
Speaker 1: So the whole idea that she's been wanting this proposal,
Speaker 1: wanting this proposal. One in this proposal and then she
Speaker 1: kind of blows it by basically proposing to herself. They
Speaker 1: wanted me to just be like I don't think they
Speaker 1: wanted me to be tearful, but they just wanted me
Speaker 1: to be in shock. So I'm trying to play shock
Speaker 1: through an entire scene, which is very hard, like possibly impossible,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting to hear your perspective on that, because
Speaker 2: that's actually one of my favorite parts, where you're at
Speaker 2: the door and you walk in and it's you're just
Speaker 2: like in a fog and you can tell that. Here's
Speaker 2: what I love about the entire show is, as I've
Speaker 2: gotten older, I see myself at the age of thirty
Speaker 2: five in each of you. There was for such a
Speaker 2: long time it was like which one are you? Yes,
Speaker 2: the wind blew the wrong way for Charlotte and she
Speaker 2: doesn't do well with that. No, she has she how
Speaker 2: she wants something to go yes, and that's very much me.
Speaker 2: So when she wanted it so badly at that dinner
Speaker 2: and then you're just at Carrie's door.
Speaker 3: I loved it, you did.
Speaker 2: I loved it so good because I felt like there
Speaker 2: was so much going on in your head that you're
Speaker 2: still trying to process, Like I was upset.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that.
Speaker 1: Makes me so because really, you can never be objective
Speaker 1: about yourself. Really, I'm saying, you just know what you
Speaker 1: were trying to do, and you know what everyone's telling
Speaker 1: you to do, and you see the work like I
Speaker 1: can see myself like trying to do what they were
Speaker 1: telling me to do, rather than just kind of breathing
Speaker 1: and living. But she is just kind of processing, You're right,
Speaker 1: which is which is stuck In a way. I felt
Speaker 1: like what their direction was at the time was a
Speaker 1: little bit stuck. Like they can get an idea, writers
Speaker 1: especially can get an idea, but it's.
Speaker 4: Hard to act an idea.
Speaker 1: You have to really go with what's happening.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, of course.
Speaker 1: But Charlotte is very in her head, you know, like
Speaker 1: in general right as like you said, the kind of
Speaker 1: vision of what she wants, right or what she's expecting,
Speaker 1: and then life doesn't live up to it, which of
Speaker 1: course it wouldn't. How could it possibly, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? No one can read your mind, right, No,
Speaker 1: she's like a big thing, a big thing with Charlotte
Speaker 1: for forever, really, you know, you know, yes, her vision
Speaker 1: versus reality.
Speaker 2: Versus reality and that's what I loved about it. And
Speaker 2: I loved when you were at lunch meeting Trey's mom
Speaker 2: for the first time and you were clocking little things like.
Speaker 3: How I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just find Charlotte to be so sweet and interesting,
Speaker 2: and I relate to that. As I get older and
Speaker 2: have more experiences with different types.
Speaker 3: Of men, Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Who did you used to relate to?
Speaker 2: I used to feel like I was just a Samantha,
Speaker 2: like very much.
Speaker 1: So really yes, even your young self my young yet wow,
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I I mean obviously, when I first started watching fourteen,
Speaker 2: I didn't relate.
Speaker 3: To any of you. I just didn't believe I was
Speaker 3: seeing boobs on.
Speaker 1: Hold totally crazy words totally. And you're in Utah too,
Speaker 1: so it's even more like you're in a very kind
Speaker 1: of more conservative environment.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, this is awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Made you want to get out, I'm sure right the moment.
Speaker 2: That I became sexually active, I was like, oh I
Speaker 2: am samanthized it gets fantastic.
Speaker 3: That's great about it, that's so great.
Speaker 2: And then as you you get older, I developed an
Speaker 2: appreciation for Miranda, where like I have to say.
Speaker 3: By the by the time.
Speaker 2: It was over, I was like, at this stage of
Speaker 2: my life, even though I can say, like, I think
Speaker 2: most women have a.
Speaker 3: Piece of each of you. Yeah, as a whole, I
Speaker 3: think I'm mostly Miranda. I love that.
Speaker 4: That's super interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow wow.
Speaker 1: Well, let me say I've never seen vander Pump Rules,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: preconceived notions about you.
Speaker 3: Right, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's really nice though I have enough knowledge from
Speaker 1: your podcast. Untraditionally, la Lah, because you are creating your
Speaker 1: own life in the way that you want it, and
Speaker 1: I am of the same thinking. I came from South Carolina,
Speaker 1: which was very traditional, though my parents weren't really like
Speaker 1: super preppy or anything like that. But I was surrounded
Speaker 1: by you know, everyone talked about wanting to get married
Speaker 1: and wanting to get engaged and blah blah blah, everybody blonde.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I was an actress from a young age, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to get out as soon as I could.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go to New York, which I
Speaker 1: eventually did. It took a while, but I wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, have a different life, a more adventurous life,
Speaker 1: a different life.
Speaker 4: And I have absolutely had that. Yes, it's been fun.
Speaker 3: You've had a very fun life.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: I have had a very fun and adventurous life.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you left? I went to college.
Speaker 1: My dad was a college professor. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: move directly to New York at eighteen, and he said no.
Speaker 1: And he was right because I was not yet sober.
Speaker 1: And had I moved directly to New York in the
Speaker 1: eighties not sober, it would have gone really badly. So
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky that he said, no, you cannot do that,
Speaker 1: young lady.
Speaker 4: What on earth?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: He was like, you must go to college.
Speaker 1: So I went to Rutgers because they had a BFA
Speaker 1: acting program. Amazing, Yeah, and I could be close to
Speaker 1: the city and go into sea plays, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be as close as I could
Speaker 1: to the Broadway of it, all right, you know, And
Speaker 1: I was, which was great, Which was great, It was
Speaker 1: perfect because I did need that time to During that
Speaker 1: time is when I realized that I needed to get
Speaker 1: a hold of my my my abuse of alcohol, predominantly alcohol,
Speaker 1: I mean other things about you. Yeah, I've been sober
Speaker 1: so long that I don't talk about it all the time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank god, thank God for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean in common, Yeah, I know, I love that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know how I would have navigated. First
Speaker 1: of all, New York in the late eighties was just insanity.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember I was kind of alone and
Speaker 1: being sober. I wasn't really in a program at that time,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know anyone who was sober except I
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend who was sober. Oh great, yeah, so
Speaker 1: we could be together in it. But I remember just
Speaker 1: walking I had to walk. I had a waitressing job,
Speaker 1: and I would walk home and I would walk by
Speaker 1: the limelight like all the crazy clubs and just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, I'm not in there.
Speaker 4: I don't know what would happen to me.
Speaker 2: So you never felt triggered once you moved out. You
Speaker 2: felt like you were strong in your sobriety when you
Speaker 2: when you moved and were in that environment.
Speaker 1: You know, I did feel triggered for sure, but I
Speaker 1: didn't ever fall, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think largely because of John, my boyfriend, who was super sweet.
Speaker 1: He was in some ways like the police. You know,
Speaker 1: he'd been sober for a while, and he was very protective,
Speaker 1: and I think he knew the dangers more than I
Speaker 1: did in a way, you know, of like he'd been out.
Speaker 1: He was three or four years older than me at
Speaker 1: the time. He'd already been out and you know, lived
Speaker 1: life in the city and knew how crazy it could be.
Speaker 1: So he was very protective. And that helped me get
Speaker 1: over the initial hump of like being out in the
Speaker 1: crazy world and trying to be sober. But it was
Speaker 1: lonely in the way of like my roommate was wild,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like there were all these
Speaker 1: wild people.
Speaker 4: Around me, and I would just be like, no, I'm
Speaker 4: just going.
Speaker 2: To stay home, right, keep your blinders on, you know,
Speaker 2: where you have business being and where you do not.
Speaker 1: And then I moved here in the nineties. Also insane.
Speaker 3: Oh cocaine. Oh, I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everywhere, cocaine everywhere, everywhere, Oh and everywhere.
Speaker 2: Part of my language I don't with that, right, No, No,
Speaker 2: it's serious, it is serious.
Speaker 4: It's really not good.
Speaker 1: So I remember being at parties and seeing like dinner
Speaker 1: plates with a Mountain.
Speaker 3: I would just be like, lovely, lovely.
Speaker 1: I know, the nineties here was woooo, there's a lot.
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
Speaker 1: And I do remember there were people in my life
Speaker 1: who not not my Like I have a publicist I've
Speaker 1: had for over thirty years, of a manager I've had
Speaker 1: for thirty years. I mean, I've had like a really
Speaker 1: great team. But there were other people that I meet
Speaker 1: along the way and they'd be like, you've.
Speaker 4: Got to go out to parties.
Speaker 1: I was like, whoever got a job from going to parties?
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: No one gets a job. And when you're sober, you
Speaker 2: realize you're all in one big room talking about bullshit.
Speaker 4: Totally.
Speaker 3: It's actually quite insane, exactly.
Speaker 2: Like, there have been moments in my seven years and
Speaker 2: some change where I've gone out to nightclubs and I'm
Speaker 2: watching people and I'm like, do we all realize that
Speaker 2: we're in like a concrete room just with music that's
Speaker 2: way too loud?
Speaker 3: Horrible?
Speaker 4: I know, horrible.
Speaker 1: No one realizes now, I know, well, because I think
Speaker 1: you're really you just think that you have to do it,
Speaker 1: or you think you're supposed to do it, or you
Speaker 1: think that that's how something meaningful is going to happen
Speaker 1: in your life.
Speaker 3: I don't know why nothing ever, good guy.
Speaker 1: I agree you No, I agree, I agree totally.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: I worry for the young women who who do that
Speaker 1: or feel like they need to do that.
Speaker 4: I guess I should say.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's our job. You know, we're
Speaker 2: in different lines of work. And you know, when I
Speaker 2: first came out here, I wanted to be an actress
Speaker 2: and you couldn't you if you signed up to do
Speaker 2: reality TV? It was like a death wish for your career.
Speaker 2: And now it has changed, Right, So we're in We're
Speaker 2: both in entertainment. But I feel like it's our job
Speaker 2: to take these platforms and spread the word on how
Speaker 2: to go about this.
Speaker 3: Why are the red flags?
Speaker 2: I agreet's not try to paint them green because we
Speaker 2: love to do that, especially at a young age, right,
Speaker 2: And I feel like finally getting older is like an
Speaker 2: empowering thing. Absolutely, it's something that women are embracing. It's
Speaker 2: like your superpower, right, Definitely. I don't feel like it
Speaker 2: was always looked at that way.
Speaker 1: No, of course, I think it was experienced that way,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that we had a way to
Speaker 1: talk about it. I mean I am newly older relatively,
Speaker 1: I mean it's also relative. Like when we started the show,
Speaker 1: we were in our third right, which is so funny
Speaker 1: now because like that's very young, and obviously you look
Speaker 1: back at the show we look like little children to me, right,
Speaker 1: But at the time, there was this whole freedom because
Speaker 1: as an actress, once you were in your mid thirties,
Speaker 1: you were kind of done.
Speaker 4: You were on your way out, right. So it was
Speaker 4: such an empowering thing.
Speaker 1: To get these parts because first of all, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to lie about your age anymore, because depending on
Speaker 1: whatever audition you went to, you had to lie and
Speaker 1: say you were that age, right, And I remember just going, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, I never have to lie about.
Speaker 3: My age again.
Speaker 4: Yay, because you know, like.
Speaker 1: These strong, powerful women in our thirties and we were
Speaker 1: supposed to be in our thirties.
Speaker 4: That was the point, right.
Speaker 3: Don't you find it interesting though, because as.
Speaker 2: I go out and about and see people in their
Speaker 2: around my age, it's actually we're still trying to figure
Speaker 2: it out in our thirties, I know, whereas your guys'
Speaker 2: personal lives may have been all over the place. But
Speaker 2: like wonderful careers were happening on the show, you know
Speaker 2: Carrie with her column Miranda being this like incredible lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's as much that way anymore.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's living in Los Angeles, But at that age,
Speaker 2: I think you were trying to figure out what we
Speaker 2: want to do and be and c Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is because the world
Speaker 1: has changed too. I think COVID really like everybody right,
Speaker 1: like there was no because when when we were all
Speaker 1: in like college age, right, I went to college.
Speaker 4: I don't think Kim went to college.
Speaker 1: I don't think Sarah went to college.
Speaker 4: Cynthia went to college.
Speaker 1: And I think that you were kind of told that
Speaker 1: there was a tract that you could be on, right,
Speaker 1: But we all wanted to be actors, so I went
Speaker 1: to acting school.
Speaker 4: Does acting school help you?
Speaker 3: No? No, not to school.
Speaker 1: It's true, Well I did, and I'm it helped me
Speaker 1: develop as a human being, right experience, But it doesn't
Speaker 1: help you in your career at all, at all.
Speaker 3: At all.
Speaker 4: I need to really reiterate that.
Speaker 3: I think it's.
Speaker 1: Great, like if you love theater and you love acting
Speaker 1: and you want to enjoy yourself in college. Also, just
Speaker 1: get a BA and make sure you get a like
Speaker 1: a more well rounded education, right, which I didn't really
Speaker 1: care about.
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. I didn't care and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying I regret it. I'm happy with my choice.
Speaker 1: But I just think that you you, in some young way,
Speaker 1: you believe that it's going to matter that you have
Speaker 1: this degree. Nobody cares if you have a degree.
Speaker 2: Isn't that because so many people, so many of my friends,
Speaker 2: I always had this mindset. I remember my counselor calling
Speaker 2: me in and being like, we need you to take
Speaker 2: what is it an sat Yes, when are you going
Speaker 2: to be doing that? Oh, very intense school and I'm
Speaker 2: moving to LA and I'm going to be famous. And
Speaker 2: they were like a very small percentage of people, right.
Speaker 3: But happy, Hey, yay La La.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it looks like I'll be
Speaker 2: part of it, and like I never did that. But
Speaker 2: all of my friends went off and did college and
Speaker 2: most of them are in debt.
Speaker 3: They don't use their degree for anything.
Speaker 2: Right, So if there is one thing I knew what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and that's great.
Speaker 3: Nothing was going to stop that.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about this episode, So this episode in
Speaker 1: my mind. So my favorite season is season three, Okay,
Speaker 1: this season that we're in. And part of the reason
Speaker 1: I think that my favorite season is season three is
Speaker 1: when I watch these episodes, all the storylines are just
Speaker 1: great and they're all intertwined in ways that are interesting
Speaker 1: and more in depth in a way than in the beginning. Like,
Speaker 1: I think it took us some time to find our
Speaker 1: legs in terms of like the writing and how to
Speaker 1: get everything in. But also everyone's storyline is great and different, right,
Speaker 1: and it took a lot of work on a writer's
Speaker 1: part to get to that. And also so much happens
Speaker 1: in such a short amount of time.
Speaker 3: I know, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Every time I watched it, I'm like, wow, Wow, we
Speaker 1: were so good.
Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was good at the time.
Speaker 1: And I loved it, right, but like in retrospect, I'm
Speaker 1: much more able to see the how hard the actual
Speaker 1: mechanics were totally you know, and have full full appreciation
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the show stands the test of time,
Speaker 2: which is I think very hard to do.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent because there's so many shows out there, right,
Speaker 1: and you're basically competing with all of them over the
Speaker 1: test of time, right, Yeah, And it's the hugest compliment
Speaker 1: in the world that people still love it and still
Speaker 1: come up to me and still are discovering it, which
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, who would have ever thought, we never,
Speaker 1: never would have dreamt any of this.
Speaker 3: That's got to feel really amazing. It does, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's so much luck that plays into it,
Speaker 1: but also there's so much hard work in terms of
Speaker 1: getting to the point and getting the job, but then
Speaker 1: also doing the job because it was.
Speaker 4: Like my entire life.
Speaker 1: Yes, like, there's no like once it really succeeds, which
Speaker 1: is third season. Third season is when we shockingly got
Speaker 1: nominated for an Emmy for the first time and we
Speaker 1: never thought that would happen. And then once the award
Speaker 1: thing started, that was in our off season, right, So
Speaker 1: we'd go to work in February and then the Golden
Speaker 1: Globes would be in march's January. So it was just
Speaker 1: like year round and saying like you had little breaks
Speaker 1: but not really and then you were doing press to
Speaker 1: try to you know, it was it was a lot.
Speaker 3: It was a lot. I feel so much fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was work, but it was fun
Speaker 1: for sure. But also like, there are things I think
Speaker 1: back in terms of my personal life and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how did anyone put up with me?
Speaker 4: Like I don't think I talked about it anything else?
Speaker 4: Really could you?
Speaker 2: When that's your life? Right, When that's your life, how
Speaker 2: do you? That's what you go and do when you
Speaker 2: meet people, you talk about what your world is like,
Speaker 2: and when that is your every single day, and anyone
Speaker 2: you're communicating outside of that person are also a part
Speaker 2: of business.
Speaker 1: That's who you're talking to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the timing at that point in time was
Speaker 2: probably just off. You weren't I don't know when you
Speaker 2: met your person or.
Speaker 3: I don't know your person. But adopted, Oh you adopted
Speaker 3: your baby? Yes, yes, yes, oh see you did it
Speaker 3: the right way from the job. You did it the
Speaker 3: right way from the That's so sweet. Thank you. Damn,
Speaker 3: I'm so jealous. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I mean, look great, it happens the way it happens, right,
Speaker 4: it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens. Okay, So this the whole theme of
Speaker 1: this episode is exactly kind of what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: which is about following your heart. Or your mind, which
Speaker 1: is such a huge question every day forever. I think,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, yes.
Speaker 2: And oh my gosh, when when Carrie ends up in
Speaker 2: bed with Big Yeah, and you have like the perfect
Speaker 2: guy right in front of you, but the heart just
Speaker 2: wants what it wants, I know, and am at some
Speaker 2: point you always give in and it's like the forbidden fruit.
Speaker 3: I have been in relationships where I'm like, if.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy with this person, but if you were
Speaker 2: to drop this specific person in front of me, I
Speaker 2: would forget all about this, even though this is so
Speaker 2: right for me, because my heart just knows and my
Speaker 2: vagina knows what it wants.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an interesting thing, like I don't know
Speaker 1: because I have never been married, right, I've never been
Speaker 1: really I've been really committed to people. But if I'm
Speaker 1: really in love, I don't you could drop anybody in
Speaker 1: front of me. It doesn't matter, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And so my question when I watch this
Speaker 1: and I again, you see it at different times and
Speaker 1: think about it, you know, you think different things when
Speaker 1: you're rewatching it. Right, Like the first time I rewatched
Speaker 1: this episode, I thought, oh my god, she's so stupid.
Speaker 1: Carrie's so stupid, right, But then this time I watched
Speaker 1: it and I was like, you can tell that the
Speaker 1: aiden relationship is not right for her.
Speaker 3: No, it's certainly not right for her.
Speaker 1: So that, to me, that's a symptom of that that
Speaker 1: than big big is unfinished, right, Like we all know
Speaker 1: what that's like.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not saying it's right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's right, and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: right or good for her, but I understand why she
Speaker 1: does it because it's undone. You know, it's not complete, right,
Speaker 1: and we all we all know.
Speaker 3: Obviously what happens.
Speaker 2: But at this point in time, what I am thinking
Speaker 2: is that we can say it doesn't feel complete, and
Speaker 2: I think there's a very small percent chance that you
Speaker 2: end up like being with the person who's.
Speaker 4: So tight it No, of course right, but it's.
Speaker 2: Like you become addicted to the super high highs.
Speaker 3: And then the super low.
Speaker 1: Like, but that's horrible for you, it's so for everyone.
Speaker 1: I like to think about it as hitting a vape.
Speaker 3: It is, it is. It's full addiction.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, you're right, You're that's a good way
Speaker 1: to put it. That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: And I think this time when I rewatched it number one,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Aiden and I'm like, why doesn't he
Speaker 1: understand stand that she like this is you know, like
Speaker 1: it's nice what he wants to do, but also he's
Speaker 1: kind of oblivious to her, right, Like he says, I
Speaker 1: want to redo your floors. You're not going to know
Speaker 1: I'm here. And she's like, he's said the floor, so
Speaker 1: he's got plastic up. Let me know, I work from
Speaker 1: home exactly. So like he's somewhat not connected to her.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, he's not really getting her
Speaker 1: in a way, right, which is I think true the
Speaker 1: whole time that he doesn't really get her. And that's
Speaker 1: what's interesting about him is he's different and different than
Speaker 1: Big obviously, but also different than Carrie, right, And that's interesting.
Speaker 1: But does that really does he? Are they super connected
Speaker 1: or do they just have great chemistry? Like not that
Speaker 1: different from Big, right, Like I look at the chemistry factor.
Speaker 3: I think Aiden came in at the right time.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's all timing.
Speaker 2: I usually all am like pro chick, But how could
Speaker 2: Aiden get to a place where he knows her when
Speaker 2: she does have such a wall up. She's not even
Speaker 2: acting like herself. She's a very vision of herself that
Speaker 2: that I feel is almost like a shell of hers.
Speaker 1: I agree, she's not giving her full self.
Speaker 3: She's so right.
Speaker 1: She's the big in the relationship, She's the withholding and like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't even tell him about Big. She was like,
Speaker 1: Big says, like, you know, she said he doesn't know
Speaker 1: about you, and I don't want it to And Big says,
Speaker 1: why that's like the I mean, sometimes Big frustrates me, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like sometimes I'm like, yeah, why Carrie, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you tell this new relationship about your past relationship?
Speaker 4: It was pretty recent. So you're right, she's got a
Speaker 4: wall when.
Speaker 3: You open up the whole can.
Speaker 2: And if she were to tell Aiden about Big, it
Speaker 2: would be a venting session and her being confused and
Speaker 2: right then.
Speaker 3: He would know that is not finished. Sure very much.
Speaker 3: You're so right. Yeah, that is so right.
Speaker 1: And on one hand, she's smart that she feels that
Speaker 1: and doesn't do it. But on the other hand, how
Speaker 1: could she actually expect it to work with Aiden if
Speaker 1: she's got the wall?
Speaker 4: You know, right, she seems to.
Speaker 2: Always want to be in some sort of relationship to
Speaker 2: distract her from big Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3: And that part I do not relate to no because.
Speaker 2: Anytime, and I haven't had a lot of moments where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I really really like this person. I can
Speaker 2: think of maybe two in my life, yeah, and like,
Speaker 2: and one of them is not even the father of
Speaker 2: my child, like at all.
Speaker 3: Wow, But I.
Speaker 2: Can think of two, and the moment that those don't
Speaker 2: work out, I cannot even bring myself to go out
Speaker 2: and meet someone else because I just want to be
Speaker 2: by myself and I want to retreat and focus on
Speaker 2: myself and what is good? Why am I attracting this
Speaker 2: type of person, yes, who wants to like give you
Speaker 2: all of this love and be present, and then all
Speaker 2: of the sudden they're like gone off the face of
Speaker 2: the earth. You better be dead in a ditch, because
Speaker 2: that's the only way I'm going to be cool with you.
Speaker 3: Disappearing yikes.
Speaker 4: Disappearing is horrible.
Speaker 1: Shame on whoever you guys are, shame on them bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: disappearing is horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2: Like after a few text messages, disappear, but you can't
Speaker 2: go out with me, meet my friends, you know, be
Speaker 2: intimate and sleep together and then everything be normal and
Speaker 2: then literally overnight go mi.
Speaker 3: I a so with Carrie, though, I find that.
Speaker 4: She you mean, she's like that you're saying.
Speaker 2: Fininding that when something goes south with someone, she's ready
Speaker 2: to go out.
Speaker 3: She's the easiest way to get over someone is to
Speaker 3: get under someone.
Speaker 1: Else, feeling definitely, which we I think we actually have
Speaker 1: a whole episode about. But also Carrie is not Carrie
Speaker 1: is interesting in that she's got her column where she's
Speaker 1: really thinking about, you know, relationships and people in New
Speaker 1: York and what's going on. But she doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of personal introspection right right. Her introspection is about
Speaker 1: like relationships in general and what about this question is
Speaker 1: kind of intellectual.
Speaker 4: Rather than why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: You know, Like like when she's re listening to that
Speaker 1: voicemail and Miranda's over there, that was so entertaining to me.
Speaker 4: Because it's like they're in high school.
Speaker 3: It mean a lot of licorice. By the way, I
Speaker 3: was like, that looks like totally right.
Speaker 1: It's very it's a very high school moment. But I
Speaker 1: think it's also very like we all that all relationships
Speaker 1: I do think do that to you potentially, right, Like
Speaker 1: you're so suddenly in grade school or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you are and you have
Speaker 2: to have a third party come in, which is what
Speaker 2: I love When Miranda's like, we could listen to this.
Speaker 3: And we will never know what it means.
Speaker 4: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So we have all been a carry in that moment,
Speaker 2: and we've all been the Miranda in that moment.
Speaker 1: It's true, but it's important to have that Miranda voice.
Speaker 1: I have the Miranda voice in my head right who
Speaker 1: can be like, why are you even trying to analyze this?
Speaker 1: You will never know you'll no'll never understand this younger man.
Speaker 1: They make no sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No one makes a nice No one.
Speaker 1: Makes any sense. No, no. But that's what I love
Speaker 1: about Carrie is that she is trying to figure everyone
Speaker 1: else out, but not always herself. But she also tries,
Speaker 1: but then like her feelings I think are too strong,
Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting because she also has, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the facade of like I'm cool, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, but she's not.
Speaker 2: She's got a lot of swags she puts on, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, I have this friend, which you should and
Speaker 2: I'm blinking on her lite. I always say I have
Speaker 2: this friend and then I'm like, what the hell is
Speaker 2: their last time? They don't have to say, so it
Speaker 2: be she thinks Carrie, I have this friend who is
Speaker 2: obsessed with sex in the city, and she has always
Speaker 2: said that, even before I watch that Carrie's a narcissist.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say this, and we discuss this
Speaker 1: because Sir Jessica does not like this, and we discussed
Speaker 1: this sometimes in life, and there was a time of
Speaker 1: COVID where this became a big thing on Instagram and
Speaker 1: TikTok and whatever, and there's some very funny videos about it.
Speaker 1: I have to say, but I personally do not think
Speaker 1: this is true. For a couple of reasons. They say
Speaker 1: that she's a bad friend, and I don't find that
Speaker 1: to be true at all.
Speaker 3: I don't find that to be true at all either.
Speaker 1: No, but I also think that the way that the
Speaker 1: show is structured, and people don't necessarily realize this, and
Speaker 1: why should they write they're just watching the show and
Speaker 1: enjoying the show. But the way the show is structured,
Speaker 1: she's our entree into the world, right, She's our leading character.
Speaker 1: We're hearing her thoughts and her voice, her voice over.
Speaker 1: You know, we're seeing her writing, right, so of course
Speaker 1: we're hearing her thoughts. If we were in your head
Speaker 1: hearing your thoughts, we would also think you're a narcissist
Speaker 1: if we were in Hannah's head hearing her thoughts or
Speaker 1: Eastern's head, Because you're in your own head, right, why
Speaker 1: would your thoughts not be about you and the people
Speaker 1: around you. It's it's just the basic conceit of the show, right,
Speaker 1: that we are in Carrie's head. That's my answer to it,
Speaker 1: because to me, she's a great friend. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: she's you know what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't who's a perfect friend? Nobody, right, But like
Speaker 1: she's there for these friends.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could categorize any of you as
Speaker 2: bad friends.
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of the show, is a group of.
Speaker 2: Women navigating their lives and always coming back to get
Speaker 2: the other. Yes, and maybe I need to watch it again,
Speaker 2: but I do not think that Carrie is a narcissist.
Speaker 4: No, me neither.
Speaker 3: And I've dealt with a many of those.
Speaker 1: I mean mostly mostly I've dealt with male narcissists, right,
Speaker 1: which looks different? Do you know what I'm saying, than
Speaker 1: female narcissists. But also I have known female narcissists, and
Speaker 1: they Carrie is not one at all, at all, at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like there's a time early on
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it's first season where she
Speaker 1: stands Miranda up for Big.
Speaker 3: That's not good obviously.
Speaker 4: But Miranda gets really mad and they like have a fight.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I don't think Miranda would have ben is mad if
Speaker 2: Big wasn't a piece of shit. Well, of course, of
Speaker 2: course why she was mad? No, of course we are
Speaker 2: sitting somewhere, yes.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're s and this is before everyone
Speaker 1: had the cell phones, like Carrie's still running to the
Speaker 1: phone booth, right right, so you're sitting somewhere by yourself,
Speaker 1: of course, and Miranda's mad.
Speaker 4: I totally get it, and BIG's a jerk. I totally
Speaker 4: get both.
Speaker 1: Sides, right, But who hasn't fucked up everybody exactly, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And also, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: they're I was going to say they're kind of young
Speaker 1: the time, but whatever, you know, like when you watch
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, we do seem really young.
Speaker 4: But I also think some of that is the world.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, we didn't have dating apps, we didn't
Speaker 1: have you know, cell phones and texting everybody all the time.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was like a different world.
Speaker 2: Right in a different game, saying I'm going with Big
Speaker 2: to get his big, right, you know, and she's least.
Speaker 2: I know. I can call another friend exactly, or I
Speaker 2: can go home. I'm here by myself and exactly find me.
Speaker 3: A cute big.
Speaker 1: You guys, this is so much fun that we're going
Speaker 1: to have to have a part two, so join us
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