Speaker 1: October. Man, it is packed to the gills every year,
Speaker 1: is what we just started. We're only I don't think
Speaker 1: we mentioned this last time. We're just a few sessions
Speaker 1: in to starting power yoga.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Oh man, my fourth, fourth, my third, needless to say,
Speaker 1: I've not done yoga before.
Speaker 2: Also my first hot yoga. I've done some yoga, but
Speaker 2: this is my first like hot yoga.
Speaker 1: And god, and it's not even just I mean, the
Speaker 1: heat is one element, but it's the I mean it
Speaker 1: is a strength exercise and it's like stability, you know what.
Speaker 1: Everything they say about yoga is true. It's hard.
Speaker 2: I know, it is tense. Yep, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to come out of this looking like Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 1: crossed with one of the Hemsworth. I would say, I
Speaker 1: would say three more weeks.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's about six weeks of work for them, right.
Speaker 2: I think so at least or so like that that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if that maybe five? Yeah, it's just because they can
Speaker 2: do it, you know, full time.
Speaker 1: They probably eat half a pizza every other night, right, definitely?
Speaker 1: All right, then I'm right on all the meats for protein.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't eat meat. Ah crap. Now, I'll never.
Speaker 2: Look like vegetables do nothing for you.
Speaker 1: What else is going on this month?
Speaker 2: Let's see, Well, it's I mean it's it's Halloween month.
Speaker 2: It's spooky season. So what isn't going on? We got
Speaker 2: stuff to do, We got costumes to plan. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: we actually have a party to go to this year.
Speaker 1: Oh crap.
Speaker 2: We get a parade A little five points A little.
Speaker 1: Five points Halloween Parade is a time hunered Atlanta tradition.
Speaker 1: If you've never been, it's a wacky, wild, good time.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty much the pre eminent Halloween weekend
Speaker 2: of activities, yeah at in Atlanta. Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 2: a whole weekend of various stuff. They got a haunted house,
Speaker 2: a three D haunted house, which I don't know if
Speaker 2: that means because in the third dimension they're usually forty
Speaker 2: we can like smell things.
Speaker 1: Too, but yeah, and they take time. That's a dimension, right,
Speaker 1: I so.
Speaker 2: Question question the three D el on.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I'd be more impressed to experience a two
Speaker 1: dimensional haunted house.
Speaker 2: It's all in a coloring book or something.
Speaker 1: Well, I will have a hard time doing that this
Speaker 1: month too, because I'm also remounting the show that I
Speaker 1: was in. What last year when we did Tipsy Tales
Speaker 1: Presents robin Hood. It's a live show that I'm the
Speaker 1: narrator and I'm Alan Adale or the Rooster. If you're
Speaker 1: only familiar with Disney's Robin.
Speaker 2: Hood, I wish you were dressed like a rooster.
Speaker 1: Look, I almost was in the show. To be fair,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of pomp I love that and
Speaker 1: pizzaz But yeah, we do. The producers of the show
Speaker 1: wrote this hilarious script, just one hour sort of robin
Speaker 1: Hood story, the traditional Robin Hood story classic, but each
Speaker 1: night of the show, one actor gets pretty drunk before
Speaker 1: we go on an assigned actor and then continues drinking
Speaker 1: throughout the show and we just have to sort of
Speaker 1: improv around whatever Shenanigan's happen.
Speaker 2: They're given full rein to destroy their part any.
Speaker 1: Scene, and they do. Last time, Like last time we
Speaker 1: did this, characters main characters were dead halfway through the show,
Speaker 1: and you just have we as the actors, just have
Speaker 1: to go with whatever the drunk does. If it's safe,
Speaker 1: we have to kind of just roll with it. And
Speaker 1: so it would just randomly like made Marian got killed
Speaker 1: halfway through the show one night, and I feel.
Speaker 2: Like there was a win.
Speaker 1: We had to get her twin to come back. That's right.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like there was a romance
Speaker 2: between the sheriff. That's what it was, one of them.
Speaker 2: That's right. That was fun.
Speaker 1: Anything it happened. Some people asked last time when we
Speaker 1: talked about it if they could see it, and we
Speaker 1: only did one weekend last time. We're only doing one
Speaker 1: more weekend this time. A few different actors but otherwise
Speaker 1: mostly the same show. And it's the weekend before Halloween
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, So shoot us a message if you are
Speaker 1: in the city and want to catch it, because it's
Speaker 1: a it's it's a good time.
Speaker 2: It is a good time. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Plus you're, of course encouraged to drink. I believe that.
Speaker 1: Yes, not me, Yeah, you're I'm in charge of the
Speaker 1: drunk on stage and making sure they don't die. So
Speaker 1: I specifically am not drinking.
Speaker 2: That's right. You're the babysitter. But the rest of us
Speaker 2: are allowed to drink as much as we want.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look, alcohol makes Alcohol is every comedy theater
Speaker 1: show's best friend.
Speaker 2: It does help a lot for people to be a
Speaker 2: little loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but seeing as how it's October, that
Speaker 1: of course changes everything around here on Ridiculous Romance too,
Speaker 1: because year one we started this tradition almost by accident,
Speaker 1: and we've loved it, y'all have loved it ever since.
Speaker 1: It's time for recripulous Romance, and that's when we take
Speaker 1: the spookiest, scariest, grossest, creepiest stories we can find that
Speaker 1: still fit the Ridiculous Romance category and we try and
Speaker 1: do them once a week throughout October. Tonight will be
Speaker 1: no different. In fact, a nice roll into the season.
Speaker 2: I think, true, true, because we're actually we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about Queen Victoria, not who.
Speaker 1: I think of when I think horror and murder and mystery.
Speaker 2: I know it's so true. We are not abused, but no,
Speaker 2: Queen Victoria actually had quite a fascination with the spirit world.
Speaker 2: She was a very powerful queen. Obviously, she had one
Speaker 2: of the longest reigns in British history until, of course,
Speaker 2: our girl, Queen Elizabeth the Second. She was very ably
Speaker 2: assisted by her husband, Prince Albert, and these two had
Speaker 2: a like Hollywood romance. They fell head over heels in
Speaker 2: love with each other. They were sexy into each other.
Speaker 2: They were doing it all the time, and when he
Speaker 2: died she suffered really intense depression. So when a thirteen
Speaker 2: year old medium named Robert James Lees claimed to have
Speaker 2: a message for her from her late husband, Victoria was
Speaker 2: all ears.
Speaker 1: So for our first.
Speaker 2: Recorptulous romance of the spooky season, let's find out how
Speaker 2: Queen Victoria ruled over the British Empire with the health
Speaker 2: of her husband's ghosts.
Speaker 1: Let's goot friends, a listen, well, let's beat say you
Speaker 1: welcome to Hell.
Speaker 2: There's no matchmaking, romantic taps, it's judged all cops, you're
Speaker 2: lying and crypts.
Speaker 1: I love my dag type of moms A ghost.
Speaker 2: Stood demonic dog that if.
Speaker 3: There's a spirit with a shift in jags, we'll put
Speaker 3: it an all show record.
Speaker 1: Row a production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: So Victoria, she was fifth in line to inherit the
Speaker 2: throne when she was born in eighteen nineteen, but ahead
Speaker 2: of her were two elderly uncles with no kids. Her
Speaker 2: uncle William's two daughters, both of whom died as infants,
Speaker 2: and her own father, Edward, who died when Victoria was
Speaker 2: only a year old. So even though she didn't become
Speaker 2: the official air presumptive until she was eleven, you know,
Speaker 2: it was pretty easy to see that she was going
Speaker 2: to inherit.
Speaker 1: Well, we have people kept dropping off around this.
Speaker 2: Baby curiously, man, like this is some weird shit.
Speaker 1: I'd be looking at this baby fifth in line And'd
Speaker 1: be like, uh, numbers one, two, three, and four. Suspiciously,
Speaker 1: that's the first mystery. Which of the Pickwick triplets?
Speaker 2: I did it?
Speaker 1: Baby murderer?
Speaker 2: Okay, we clearly just finished only murders in the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, many people were like, Okay, it's definitely going
Speaker 2: to be this little girl, except for Victoria herself. Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: her governess Louise Lesson slipped a copy of the genealogy
Speaker 2: of the House of Hanover into one of Victoria's like
Speaker 2: lesson books, and when she studied it, that's when she
Speaker 2: realized like, oh shit, I'm going to be the next monarch.
Speaker 2: And she is reported to have said quote, I will
Speaker 2: be good. Oh she is, like, I've seen some shit
Speaker 2: kings and queens in our past. I'll do I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try to be a good one. And that became like
Speaker 2: kind of a big folk legend that she didn't know
Speaker 2: until she saw and then she was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: So she meant I will be good, I will be
Speaker 1: good at it, I will be kind yeah, and neither oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be good like I'll be the best theraist, which
Speaker 1: is never a good attitude to take into a leadership position.
Speaker 2: It could have been that, but I feel like, was
Speaker 2: she like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Good, I'll be good. You guys can have it. I'll
Speaker 1: be good.
Speaker 2: Somebody call I don't know when I old uncles or
Speaker 2: something still around.
Speaker 1: Well, if she became queen before she turned eighteen, of
Speaker 1: course the nation would have a regent in charge, and
Speaker 1: that would have been Victoria's mother.
Speaker 2: The Duchess of Kent too, the doctors of Kent.
Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, the Duchess of Kent was close as crabs
Speaker 1: with her comptroller, Sir John Conroy. Some people even thought
Speaker 1: that they might have been lovers. Of course, a lot
Speaker 1: of scholars have dismissed that idea. But together these two
Speaker 1: schemed up all kinds of ways to keep Victoria under
Speaker 1: their control and away from her powerful uncles. We've seen
Speaker 1: this a thousand times in every sort of historical regal drama,
Speaker 1: the regency drama.
Speaker 2: That we see, it's always this power behind the throne.
Speaker 1: Now, they created what was called the Kensington system, and
Speaker 1: this was an elaborate set of rules about how Victoria
Speaker 1: would be educated and how she could behave and with
Speaker 1: whom she could spend her time, which was only these
Speaker 1: two other kids and her dog, Dad Spaniel. So this
Speaker 1: Duchess and John Conroy, along with the Duchess's lady in waiting,
Speaker 1: Flora Hastings, who also rumors that might have been the
Speaker 1: Duchess's lover.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about this is that, like if you're
Speaker 2: in a court, everybody's like, she probably fuckings somebody, you know,
Speaker 2: They're all just whisperings.
Speaker 1: That is not unlike today.
Speaker 2: It's so true. So I don't know how much I
Speaker 2: believe any of that.
Speaker 1: You were always like two people, a man the woman
Speaker 1: spending time together. Oh, two women spending time together.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I guess there's not a lot to
Speaker 2: do in this time period. So maybe that was the
Speaker 2: common wait a while away, it just came only lasts
Speaker 2: so long. There's only so many books one can read.
Speaker 1: Well regardless, still just rumors. Point being that the Duchess
Speaker 1: and Conroy made Victoria's childhood extremely lonely and isolating, right,
Speaker 1: that was kind of the point. The idea was to
Speaker 1: make her really weak willed, really dependent on them for
Speaker 1: her judgment, so that even once she was old enough
Speaker 1: to rule alone, they would still have a lot of
Speaker 1: power concentrated in their hands.
Speaker 2: She would constantly be turning to them like what should
Speaker 2: I do? What should I do? But as she got older,
Speaker 2: Victoria was pressured constantly to make Sir John Conroy her
Speaker 2: personal secretary, which was given quite a lot of power
Speaker 2: over like, you know, her messages and everything else around her.
Speaker 2: But by then she hated Sir John, she hated her mother,
Speaker 2: and she hated Flora Hastings.
Speaker 1: So she refused the three people who oppressed her her
Speaker 1: entire childhood.
Speaker 2: She did Fondo didn't like anymore.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that plan backfired all right.
Speaker 2: And fortunately she was not the only one who disapproved
Speaker 2: of this little contingent that was about her ears, you know,
Speaker 2: like her uncle, King William the Fourth once declared in
Speaker 2: the Duchess's presence that he intended to live until Victoria
Speaker 2: was eighteen, just so they could avoid a regency with
Speaker 2: her in argap, which I just think is so funny.
Speaker 2: He's like, I can plan my death and guess what
Speaker 2: it's time to keep. Mom makes sure that you never
Speaker 2: have an official role here.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: He also, of course, had some thoughts about who Victoria
Speaker 2: should marry. Oh and he favored Prince Alexander of the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: but her other uncle, King Leopold of the Belgians, offered
Speaker 2: up his nephew, Prince Albert of Sex, Coburg and Gotham.
Speaker 1: I also love that William and everybody hated these three
Speaker 1: so much because I have to relate everything back to
Speaker 1: TV to make it work in my brain, because I'm
Speaker 1: a millennial and I'm broken like that. You could just
Speaker 1: see these characters just being the most sniveling, obnoxious, power hungry,
Speaker 1: and how could you not see that constantly? It's so obvious,
Speaker 1: you know when these schemers are scheming. Oh yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not subtle about it. Well. The minute that Victoria met
Speaker 1: her cousin Albert in eighteen thirty six, poorl Alexander, King
Speaker 1: William's choice didn't stand a chair because Victoria went straight
Speaker 1: into her diary and started writing about how handsome and
Speaker 1: charming Albert was, while alex got one line about being
Speaker 1: quote very plain.
Speaker 2: Damn. I mean, it's like galling. She's just like paragraphs
Speaker 2: of like his beautiful face and his charm of manner whatever.
Speaker 2: And then she's like alex he was there too.
Speaker 1: She's just doodled in the margins missus Albert and Saxe,
Speaker 1: Coburg and Gotha, and then yeah, a little doodle of
Speaker 1: Alexander in with like a fark cloud around him. Oh no.
Speaker 1: Victoria even thanked her uncle Leopold.
Speaker 3: For quote, the prospect of great happiness you have contributed
Speaker 3: to give me in the person of dear Albert. He
Speaker 3: possesses every quality that could be desired to render me
Speaker 3: perfectly happy. He is Sue sensible, Sue kind, and Sue good,
Speaker 3: and Sue amiable too. He has besides the most pleasing
Speaker 3: and delightful steria and appearance you can possibly see.
Speaker 1: But since Victoria was only seventeen at this point, marriage
Speaker 1: itself would have to wait a little while, but pretty
Speaker 1: clear that she had her eyes on the price.
Speaker 2: She knew who she wanted at this point. But Victoria
Speaker 2: turned eighteen on May twenty fourth, eighteen thirty seven, and
Speaker 2: less than a month later, King William died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Wow.
Speaker 2: Straight, he was like clinging to life until her birthday.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure the Duchess of Kent's
Speaker 1: not control here. Oh thank god, I can die. Give
Speaker 1: me the cocaine.
Speaker 2: Keep my eyes open until May twenty fifth. So anyway,
Speaker 2: he died. She became the Queen of England.
Speaker 1: Okay, and as queens.
Speaker 2: She started off pretty popular. You know, she's young, she's beautiful, right,
Speaker 2: They're all like, hey, love this beautiful queen of ours.
Speaker 2: But then the Duchess's lady in waiting, Lady Flora Hastings,
Speaker 2: started walking around with what looked like a baby bump.
Speaker 2: Oh and she wasn't married, so this caused a lot
Speaker 2: talk and Victoria of course hated that bitch, so she
Speaker 2: was very excited to talk about her. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she probably is pregnant. And guess who I think the
Speaker 2: dad is? Oh, Sir John Conroy, that other bitch.
Speaker 1: But I hate wow.
Speaker 2: So she was kind of getting in on these rumors.
Speaker 2: They got worse and worse. Finally Flora agreed to an
Speaker 2: official like medical examination. Okay, This medical examination found out
Speaker 2: that a Flora was a virgin b she was not pregnant,
Speaker 2: so we don't have like a Messiah situation going on
Speaker 2: with Flora. See, she had a large tumor on her
Speaker 2: liver which had distended her stomach, and she only had
Speaker 2: a few months left to live. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: like the worst possible house. That's awful, especially to be
Speaker 2: like examination.
Speaker 1: Talking shit like she's got she's pregnant, and then find oh, no,
Speaker 1: she's terminally ill.
Speaker 2: Not only is she a virgin, has never had sex. Wow,
Speaker 2: she's like terminally sick, and you've been making fun of
Speaker 2: her tomb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was pretty crushing, and Victoria did feel
Speaker 1: very bad. It's reported that she had nightmares about Flora
Speaker 1: for years afterwards. So a lot of guilt there, right,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, just a lesson for everybody. We
Speaker 1: don't need to be talking shit so much. You know
Speaker 1: it's gonna come back and bite you. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: just that. It was also Sir John Conroy, Flora's family,
Speaker 1: the opposition party, the Tories. They all got together and
Speaker 1: they started a press campaign criticizing Victoria for throwing a
Speaker 1: dying woman into a month's long scandal and making her
Speaker 1: final months miserable. So she's already feeling bad and all
Speaker 1: these people are like, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Should feel right, You're a real piece of shit.
Speaker 1: They were hoping to discredit her so she would be
Speaker 1: forced to give Conroy a position in her court, and
Speaker 1: they did succeed at making her very unpopular. Now, as
Speaker 1: soon as Victoria had become queen, she had relegated Sir
Speaker 1: John Conroy and her mother, the Duchess, to a small,
Speaker 1: faraway apartment in the palace, and she refused to see
Speaker 1: either one of them. But since she was still single,
Speaker 1: she did still have to live with her mother, which meant,
Speaker 1: of course that she still had to live with John
Speaker 1: Conroy too, who was her chief tormentor.
Speaker 2: Right, So the whole time this is happening, this man's
Speaker 2: in her house. I mean it's a it's Buckingham Palace.
Speaker 2: She's not tripping over him, but she's like, get him
Speaker 2: out of my house. So she's complaining about this to
Speaker 2: her Prime Minister, Lord Melbourne at the time, who told her,
Speaker 2: of course, the quickest solution would be to get married,
Speaker 2: because then she could have vict her mother, and her
Speaker 2: mother would take John Conroy with her. And Victoria called
Speaker 2: it a quote shocking alternative, but you know, she was
Speaker 2: still totally crushing on Albert. So she, you know, she
Speaker 2: was kind of like a little not wanting to get
Speaker 2: married and give up you know, some of her position
Speaker 2: as queen, right, but also she's going, let me get
Speaker 2: this hottie up in my bed, body up in here.
Speaker 2: So she finally proposed to him, and they were married
Speaker 2: in February eighteen forty, and Victoria discoveredude sex. She wrote
Speaker 2: in her diary after her wedding night quote, I never
Speaker 2: never spent such an evening my dearest, dearest dear Albert.
Speaker 2: His excessive love and affection gave me feelings of heavenly
Speaker 2: love and happiness I never could have hoped to have
Speaker 2: felt before. They clasped me in his arms, and we
Speaker 2: kissed each other again and again. His beauty, his sweetness,
Speaker 2: and gentleness. Really, how can I ever be thankful enough
Speaker 2: to have such a husband. To be called by names
Speaker 2: of tenderness I have never yet heard used to me before?
Speaker 2: Was bliss beyond belief. Oh, this was the happiest day.
Speaker 1: Of my life. She I mean, she is like God.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna hear Senator John Kennedy reading
Speaker 1: that out on this Congress floor.
Speaker 2: I will give you the best low job.
Speaker 1: That's in the news. If you'all haven't seen that one yet,
Speaker 1: look it up. Senator John Kennedy reading a pornographic book
Speaker 1: is one of the best clips of the of the past,
Speaker 1: of this of the year, and.
Speaker 2: One of the least sexy things you'll ever hear.
Speaker 1: Shot we could.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so she's she is like I found out
Speaker 2: what an orgasm, is very excited about it, and I
Speaker 2: want more. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: Albert a generous lover's handled business. And this is probably
Speaker 1: probably why she wanted to put him in a can.
Speaker 1: Prince Albert in a can.
Speaker 2: I don't know this, you know, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that I made that joke. Fall Rell flat.
Speaker 2: I don't know it was.
Speaker 1: It's a very old joke. It's like a like a prince.
Speaker 1: Do you have Prince Albert in a can? We'll let
Speaker 1: him out of the house. Oh, because it was it's
Speaker 1: a I think it's a chew tobacco product or no,
Speaker 1: it's a pipe tobacco, pipe tobacco. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot about it.
Speaker 1: Anyway has been Eli's year old jokes. Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
Speaker 2: I thought Prince Albert was the piercing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Also you don't put that in the can.
Speaker 2: Maybe he had a penis piercing that added to the situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's called the Prince Albert.
Speaker 1: Uh, readers, let us know. I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: don't feel like adding that to my Google searches.
Speaker 2: No thanks, So at any rate, all have to say,
Speaker 2: Queen Victoria loved doing it. She's got she's real into
Speaker 2: whatever Albert.
Speaker 1: Had going on down men had the moves.
Speaker 2: Within two months of their marriage. She was pregnant, and
Speaker 2: of course her popularity soared. Once again, nothing better than
Speaker 2: a pregnant queen.
Speaker 1: People love a pregnant queen. And you know, they kept
Speaker 1: at it all day, all nights, every surface of Buckingham Palace.
Speaker 1: Probably in all they would go on to have nine
Speaker 1: children together, the two of them also together whether several
Speaker 1: assassinations attempts, and these actually made Albert more popular with
Speaker 1: the public because he was very cool headed in a crisis.
Speaker 1: He was a quiet guy, but he was a great dad.
Speaker 1: The fact that all nine of their kids lived to
Speaker 1: adulthood was credited to Albert's quote enlightened influence in running
Speaker 1: the nursery. Bio biographer named Hermione Hobhouse.
Speaker 2: Love that name, Mione Hobhouse British.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Albert even got Victoria to dismiss her old Governess
Speaker 1: Louise Lessen, who had been kind of running the household
Speaker 1: the whole time before him. Lesson had been the one
Speaker 1: who helped Victoria build a strong personality in spite of
Speaker 1: this Kensington system that her mother and Conroy raised her with,
Speaker 1: and she had supplanted Victoria's mother, in Victoria's own affections,
Speaker 1: kind of more of a motherly figure than her mother herself.
Speaker 2: Victoria called her mother on several occasions.
Speaker 1: But Lessen was also the one who was out there
Speaker 1: spreading rumors about Flora Hastings and that kind of blew
Speaker 1: back against Victoria. Albert hated her for that, so to
Speaker 1: keep him happy, Victoria pensioned her off.
Speaker 2: I mean, it says a lot about her feelings for
Speaker 2: Albert that she was willing to send this lady away
Speaker 2: who had been like her main source of comfort so long. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Victoria also relied on his advice and assistance. But
Speaker 2: fortunately Albert had some cool notions. He was actually four
Speaker 2: child labor laws instead of against he was like maybe
Speaker 2: kids shouldn't be working.
Speaker 1: Oh, child labor laws. I'm four child labor laws in
Speaker 1: that we should stop getting up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should put children, we should put them to work.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: At the time, it was a big thing whether kids
Speaker 2: could work in factories, you know whatever, and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: kids should go to school, kids should not do that.
Speaker 2: He also wanted to abolish slavery worldwide. He's also credited
Speaker 2: with being the guy who kind of felt that the
Speaker 2: British royal family should be above politics. So he's sort
Speaker 2: of the reason we have this distance between the royal
Speaker 2: family and the Parliament that seems pretty average now. And
Speaker 2: he also arranged the Great Exhibition, which is basically the
Speaker 2: the first World's Fair. Wow, and people like fought him
Speaker 2: every step of the way. They were like, don't bring
Speaker 2: that foreign stuff into my you know, my country or whatever.
Speaker 2: But of course it was an enormous success, so they
Speaker 2: were like, oh shit. Albert's a smart guy. So over
Speaker 2: the years his influence only grew and he ended up
Speaker 2: like helping with Victoria's government paperwork. He started drafting or correspondence.
Speaker 2: He would attend cabinet meetings. He would even see cabinet
Speaker 2: ministers alone without Victoria. So a clerk named Charles Greville
Speaker 2: wrote in his private journal quote, he is king to
Speaker 2: all intents and purposes.
Speaker 1: Man, I want to put this guy in a can
Speaker 1: and carry him out, all right.
Speaker 2: He sounds like a smart cat.
Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, things look pretty dark. I'm gonna pop
Speaker 1: open at cant Albert, see what happens. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous romance, and as is often the case, tragedy awaited.
Speaker 1: Their eldest son, Bertie, was at Cambridge at this point,
Speaker 1: and the Queen had heard that he was consorting with
Speaker 1: an Irish actress named Nellie actress excuse me. They were
Speaker 1: terrified that this girl was going to get pregnant, or
Speaker 1: start some kind of scandal, or even start blackmailing Birdie
Speaker 1: something like that. So Albert went to visit the kid
Speaker 1: and discuss him, you know, getting his shit together. A
Speaker 1: few weeks later, though, Albert died of typhoid fever. But
Speaker 1: two years prior to his illness with typhoid, Albert had
Speaker 1: been dealing with intense pain in his stomach and legs,
Speaker 1: So there's some scholars that think that he might have
Speaker 1: already been suffering with Crohn's disease or maybe even kidney
Speaker 1: failure or stomach cancer. So unsure exactly what it was
Speaker 1: that led to his death, or that he would not
Speaker 1: have died soon anyway, but Victoria was devastated. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: know how much she loved him, and she went into
Speaker 1: deep mourning. She would only wear black for the rest
Speaker 1: of her life. She locked herself away from the public.
Speaker 1: She became so remote that she was known as the
Speaker 1: Widow of Windsor. She slept with a plaster cast of
Speaker 1: Albert's hand, and she also kept Albert's room exactly the
Speaker 1: way it was, wouldn't touch anything. The servants even came
Speaker 1: in each night to lay out fresh clothes and hot
Speaker 1: water and change the sheets.
Speaker 2: No one was in there as if he was coming home.
Speaker 2: I find that so sad. A plaster cast of his
Speaker 2: hand makes me really sad, because you know, she just
Speaker 2: wants to hold She just.
Speaker 1: Wants to hold it.
Speaker 2: That's so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, unless your mind slips into the gutter
Speaker 1: like mine. But I'm going to go with it. She
Speaker 1: was just holding his hands up against her face on
Speaker 1: the pillow at night. I mean, I think he would
Speaker 1: probably go with it from those diary entries.
Speaker 2: Okay, However, speculation station it was a masturbation aid. But
Speaker 2: not long after Albert's death, someone brought a startling story
Speaker 2: to Victoria's attention. It was the editor of a spiritualist
Speaker 2: magazine who had recently sat in on a seance. Now,
Speaker 2: at this time, spiritualism was as in vogue as scientific advantage.
Speaker 2: Sort of. The funny thing about the Victorian age the
Speaker 2: spirit you know, alongside everyone being like, let's measure in
Speaker 2: way I categorize everything, they were very concerned with the unknowable,
Speaker 2: you know, which is really interesting. Nothing preoccupied the Victorian
Speaker 2: mind more than if there was life after death, and
Speaker 2: if so, what was going on in how can I talk?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that makes sense if you're in
Speaker 1: an age where you're really looking a lot of scientific
Speaker 1: advancements and you're trying to answer I mean, isn't that
Speaker 1: what science often is is the pursuit of answering the unanswerable. Right,
Speaker 1: So your mind is already in that place and you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I figured out why water turns to
Speaker 1: steam when you heat it up. Now tell me what
Speaker 1: happens when we die? Right?
Speaker 2: Can I not talk to my mom?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like goes in that order water into steam. What
Speaker 1: happens when we die.
Speaker 2: Amazing. There's so many reasons that it took off spiritualism,
Speaker 2: and one of them I think is interesting is that
Speaker 2: they found women to be better mediums than men because
Speaker 2: they were considered a more spiritual sure, so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of actually a lot of women's rights sort of
Speaker 2: marched along with spiritualism and mediums and stuff because they
Speaker 2: were able to gain some power and influence. They were
Speaker 2: able to make money on their own. So all that
Speaker 2: to say, spiritualism is huge at this time. Everybody's into it.
Speaker 2: Even Charles Dickens, our old friend, who did not believe
Speaker 2: in spiritualism at all, was writing ghost stories. You know,
Speaker 2: people will prop preoccupied.
Speaker 1: I know it exactly.
Speaker 2: Victoria and Albert had even attended a few seances themselves.
Speaker 2: Victoria particularly into this. They even awarded a particularly convincing
Speaker 2: medium with a medal for quote meritorious and Extraordinary clairvoyant.
Speaker 2: So after Albert died, Victoria received this letter from this
Speaker 2: editor of the Spiritualist magazine telling her about this seance
Speaker 2: that he had attended. She probably would have been interested anyway,
Speaker 2: but it was even more attention grabbing because He said
Speaker 2: that the thirteen year old medium Robert James Lees, had
Speaker 2: received a message from beyond for the Queen herself, and
Speaker 2: he claimed that it was from the Prince Consort Albert.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what did Albert have to say? We
Speaker 2: will tell you right after this quick break, Welcome spirits.
Speaker 2: Oh back to the show.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just got a chill. The curtains just rustled. Look.
Speaker 1: Most of the information that follows here comes from the
Speaker 1: book Whisperers, The Secret History of the Spirit World by J. H. Brennan. Now,
Speaker 1: a chunk of the book concerning Queen Victoria was reprinted
Speaker 1: in The Daily Beasts, so that's where we found most
Speaker 1: of this. Brennan says that, of course, any historian will
Speaker 1: tell you that Victoria had a nervous breakdown after Albert died,
Speaker 1: and she retreated from public and political life for over
Speaker 1: two years. She stopped trusting her own judgment. She preferred
Speaker 1: to wonder what Albert might have done, but Brennan suggests
Speaker 1: that she actually found a way to ask for his advice,
Speaker 1: as if he were still alive. When she heard about
Speaker 1: this message that Robert James Lees claimed to have, Victoria
Speaker 1: had to move carefully. She wasn't stupid, right, she did
Speaker 1: have a healthy skepticism about Lee's about I'm sure mediums
Speaker 1: in general. Even when she was having a good time
Speaker 1: and saying, oh you did so well, she's like okay, rationally,
Speaker 1: if I had to say so. It wasn't unusual for
Speaker 1: a famous death to attract all kinds of fake mediums
Speaker 1: pretending to have messages for the grieving family. Victoria knew
Speaker 1: this as well, so she summoned a couple of her
Speaker 1: courtiers and told them to attend the next Lee's seance undercover.
Speaker 2: So, using fake names and not revealing their connection to
Speaker 2: the palace, the two courtiers went to the seance. Now,
Speaker 2: according to Brennan, these men were not believers in spiritualism,
Speaker 2: so they were probably trying not to laugh as they
Speaker 2: entered the seance room, sure, which would have likely been
Speaker 2: filled with candles and oil lamps on low, maybe decorated
Speaker 2: with red drapes because that was believed to enhance communication
Speaker 2: between the living and the dead. Now, the participants would
Speaker 2: have all held hands as Robert James Lees welcomed the
Speaker 2: spirit of Prince Albert to join them, and we don't
Speaker 2: have details of the exact methods used by Lee's. There
Speaker 2: were lots of different methods that mediums used at this time.
Speaker 2: They often communicated with spirits through taps and wraps, so
Speaker 2: they would ask a question once for yes, twice forno okay.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would go into a large cabinet for part
Speaker 2: or all of the seance, and they would maybe shout
Speaker 2: messages that they were receiving from inside the cabinet, or
Speaker 2: they would come out possessed by the spirit. Often the
Speaker 2: cabinets would then be covered with like gooey ecdo plasma,
Speaker 2: so it's proof that some uncanny activity had happened in there.
Speaker 2: Some used weed aboards, or they had pencils rigged up
Speaker 2: over paper, so messages would be written or drawn by
Speaker 2: an unseen hand.
Speaker 1: And it seems like Lee's would go into a trance
Speaker 1: in front of his guests because to the courtier's surprise,
Speaker 1: Lee's began to speak in Prince Albert's voice. It was uncanny.
Speaker 1: They grew more and more uneasy as Lee's described rivate
Speaker 1: details of life at the palace that only Albert would
Speaker 1: have known h drapped in this cab My penis was Peters,
Speaker 1: who else could have known these things? Even more terrifying.
Speaker 1: He called the courtiers out by name, their real names,
Speaker 1: not the fake ones that they had given Lees. They
Speaker 1: were forced to admit that they were there on the
Speaker 1: Queen's behalf, and they questioned the ghost of Albert further.
Speaker 1: What they heard impressed them so much they sent a
Speaker 1: glowing report to Victoria. This medium might be the real deal.
Speaker 2: Victoria had barely finished reading it when she received a
Speaker 2: letter from Lee's, a letter he said was really from Albert.
Speaker 2: This was an example of automatic writing, which is when
Speaker 2: the spirit would take over the body of the medium
Speaker 2: or just their hand even and use it to write
Speaker 2: a message. Brennan says the letter was signed with a
Speaker 2: personal pet name only Albert and Victoria used, and it
Speaker 2: was chock full of personal details. Victoria was convinced. She
Speaker 2: sent for Lees, who held a seance in Buckingham Palace
Speaker 2: for her, and she was thrilled to hear Albert's voice
Speaker 2: once again. She invited Lee's back over and over. In all,
Speaker 2: he held nine seances for her. She finally asked if
Speaker 2: he wanted to take up residence in the palace and
Speaker 2: become the court medium. Lee's consulted with his spirit guides,
Speaker 2: but they told him to decline. Fortunately, Albert wasn't too
Speaker 2: picky about who could speak for him Lee's as Prince
Speaker 2: Albert told the Queen that a new medium had been
Speaker 2: chosen to be his conduit. Quote the boy who used
Speaker 2: to carry my guns at bellmorle Haw.
Speaker 1: This boy was John Brown, and he had been the
Speaker 1: Prince's gilly, or the guy who goes along on fishing
Speaker 1: and hunting expeditions, especially in the Scottish Highlands. He would
Speaker 1: have been over twenty years old when he started working
Speaker 1: with the royals, but not really a boy, but he
Speaker 1: worked with the family for years, so he became a
Speaker 1: personal friend of Albert's and was eventually promoted to a
Speaker 1: permanent position leading the Queen's pony. Victoria wasn't surprised that
Speaker 1: he was a medium either, because she had become convinced
Speaker 1: that he had a second sight when only weeks before
Speaker 1: Albert's death, John Brown had said goodbye to them at
Speaker 1: Balmoral Castle, hoping they traveled safely and quote above all
Speaker 1: that you may have no deaths in the family.
Speaker 2: So she said, and then Albert died and John saw
Speaker 2: that con.
Speaker 1: Although to say, hope nobody dies, and then someone dies
Speaker 1: to me is suspicious.
Speaker 2: You're a suspect, John, how'd you give him typhoid from Scotland?
Speaker 1: But anyway, what most people saw at this point when
Speaker 1: Victoria turned to John Brown was a grieving widow turning
Speaker 1: to a close friend at a time that she a
Speaker 1: difficult time. But the Queen started to rely heavily on Brown,
Speaker 1: and his influence over her raised a lot of eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get into that and maybe unravel
Speaker 1: the mystery of some of these spooky seances. Right after
Speaker 1: this BREAKO, wellcome sorry, I'm doing some of my yellow exercise.
Speaker 1: It is still so yeah.
Speaker 2: Pretty quickly Victoria started to rely kind of heavily on
Speaker 2: John Brown, her servant, and that was super weird for
Speaker 2: people around the castle. The Daily Mail recounts that she
Speaker 2: would gaze at one of her many busts of Albert
Speaker 2: when she was asked a question about what to do.
Speaker 2: Then she would look at John Brown before giving her answer.
Speaker 2: She consulted him about everything, or at least to He
Speaker 2: was also allowed kind of extraordinary license with his behavior.
Speaker 2: He was allowed to smoke around her, which even her
Speaker 2: sons could not do. Her second son, the Duke of Edinburgh,
Speaker 2: even said that he had been evicted from Buckingham Palace
Speaker 2: for refusing to shake John's hand. Instead of calling Victoria
Speaker 2: your majesty, he would call her woman, what like hey woman?
Speaker 2: And he would repeatedly tell her off to her face. Ah,
Speaker 2: just lots of very clear instances of them being pretty
Speaker 2: intimate with one another. She allowed him a lot of
Speaker 2: freedom in the way he behaved around her, and he
Speaker 2: got very high handed with the rest of the royal staff,
Speaker 2: and so it wasn't long before he was pretty universally
Speaker 2: hated around the court. They didn't like how much power
Speaker 2: this guy had.
Speaker 1: Then, no one could understand the hold that this guy
Speaker 1: had over the Queen either, So naturally most decided that
Speaker 1: Victoria and John Brown must have been lovers, the queen
Speaker 1: a woman and a man's time together. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a lot to support that theory, though The Guardian
Speaker 1: writes that John Brown had taken up residents in rooms
Speaker 1: adjoining the Queen's, according to Courtier, who said it was
Speaker 1: quote contrary to etiquette and even decency.
Speaker 2: We remember that from our Queen Elizabeth the First and
Speaker 2: Lord Robert Dudley episode where he had rooms next to yours.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of rumors.
Speaker 1: Victoria's daughters joked about quote Mama's lover, and newspapers speculated
Speaker 1: that a secret marriage had even taken place, maybe even
Speaker 1: a secret child, and they began calling Queen Victoria missus Brown.
Speaker 2: Oh, Missus Brown, You've got a lovely daughter.
Speaker 1: Missus Brown was also the name of a nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven movie about this relationship, starring Judy Dench and the
Speaker 1: Great Billy Connolly. The Great Judy Dench, they're both the
Speaker 1: great what they're both great? Victoria even created two Medals
Speaker 1: of Service just for John Brown, though one was given
Speaker 1: him for foiling another possible assassination attempt, So that's legit, Like,
Speaker 1: I just think respectable.
Speaker 2: Faithful, meritorious service. You took a bullet for me.
Speaker 1: But if, as Brennan writes, she believed that John Brown
Speaker 1: was a direct conduit to her beloved husband, it makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense why he had so much influence
Speaker 1: over her right exactly now.
Speaker 2: A sculptor named Edgar Boehm spent several months at Balmoral
Speaker 2: sculpting a bust of John Brown for the Queen, and
Speaker 2: he once told Catherine Walters, who is one of Edward
Speaker 2: the Seventh mistresses that quote. The queen, who had been
Speaker 2: passionately in love with her husband, got it into her
Speaker 2: head that somehow the Prince's spirit had passed into Brown,
Speaker 2: so he believed she allowed him quote every conjugal privilege. Ooh.
Speaker 2: It seems that whenever she needed Albert's advice, she would
Speaker 2: simply get Brown to conduct a seance and tell her
Speaker 2: what Albert thought she should do. Once, The Daily Mail
Speaker 2: recounts she left a meeting of the Privy Council to
Speaker 2: consult with Albert, returning to tell them quote the Prince
Speaker 2: was hostile to any act of war by England. And then,
Speaker 2: of course there were plenty of skeptics who were like,
Speaker 2: this guy does not have a direct line to the
Speaker 2: ghost of Albert. He is totally faking this, And they
Speaker 2: started thinking that, you know, he was kind of exploiting
Speaker 2: Victoria's well known fascination with spiritualism. They started calling him
Speaker 2: quote resputant in a kilt man.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, when he came back around and was like, uh,
Speaker 1: Prince Albert says, I can blow my smoke in your
Speaker 1: face woman.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, if he thinks it's best.
Speaker 1: Prince Albert says, time for a pay raise. When John
Speaker 1: Brown died in eighteen eighty three, the rumors somehow gained
Speaker 1: even more power because the Queen was devastated by his death,
Speaker 1: much like Albert's. She likened it to losing Albert. She
Speaker 1: said that life quote for a second time, had given
Speaker 1: her a heavy blow. She wrote quote, perhaps never in
Speaker 1: history was there so strong and true, an attachment so
Speaker 1: warm and loving, a friendship between the sovereign and servant.
Speaker 1: She wanted to write a memoir of John Brown's life,
Speaker 1: including all the seances that he had conducted for her,
Speaker 1: but she was advised against this. A lot of her
Speaker 1: writing about those seances ended up being burned, so.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we don't have a lot of the information about
Speaker 2: the seances right.
Speaker 1: And when Queen Victoria herself died years later, her face
Speaker 1: was surrounded by her wedding veil, her hands covered in
Speaker 1: rings from Albert and her children, and she had one
Speaker 1: of Albert's cloaks, a handkerchief, and the plaster cast of
Speaker 1: his hand with her. But secretly, the doctor James Reid
Speaker 1: dropped a few other items in her coffin as well.
Speaker 1: John Brown's mother's wedding ring was placed on one of
Speaker 1: Victoria's fingers, his photograph in her hand, along with some
Speaker 1: of his head and a handkerchief that belonged to him.
Speaker 1: I mean, so.
Speaker 2: She was mementos, yeah, of someone she really loved. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, not everyone is convinced that they were lovers.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of evidence to support it, like
Speaker 2: written down evidence or anything. They're not even convinced that
Speaker 2: John Brown really had that much influence on her. Kind
Speaker 2: of like it was an intimate relationship, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: follow that it was sexual, okay, and he didn't really
Speaker 2: care about politics, so what would have been the point
Speaker 2: to trusted rascootin and a kilt thing. There's lots of
Speaker 2: reasons for this. Some say Victoria would never consider lowering
Speaker 2: herself to have sex with a servant, she was not
Speaker 2: that type of gal, Or that Victoria didn't approve of
Speaker 2: widow's remarrying, so she never would have had a secret
Speaker 2: marriage with this guy, or you know, she was also
Speaker 2: raised in a time when women were taught that men
Speaker 2: were superior. Even the Queen was taught that. For example,
Speaker 2: she called Albert master and he called her child, which
Speaker 2: is not that unusual. Child was kind of a common
Speaker 2: endearment for a man to call his wife okay at
Speaker 2: that time, so the you know their feeling is she
Speaker 2: would she could never see an inferior man who had
Speaker 2: to call her mistress or whatever as a partner. However
Speaker 2: he called her woman. So we don't know, I know, right,
Speaker 2: we don't know. But even in her own time, some
Speaker 2: of Victoria's court thought Brown was pretty harmless, and in
Speaker 2: fact were relieved that she had put her trust in
Speaker 2: someone with zero political aspirations. He did not try to
Speaker 2: use that position to gain power for himself for members
Speaker 2: of his family. Nothing like that. Interesting, More often than not,
Speaker 2: when she was faced with a tough political issue, she
Speaker 2: wouldn't turn to Brown at all. She would turn to
Speaker 2: her favorite Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, who on his deathbed
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty one quipped that no one should send
Speaker 2: for the queen quote. She would only ask me to
Speaker 2: take a message to Albert. Oh wow, which it's just
Speaker 2: because a funny.
Speaker 1: I love that they knew back then that she was
Speaker 1: just never stop talking about it. No.
Speaker 2: Well, and I would also like to say that that's
Speaker 2: not the only say on so she had. She also
Speaker 2: had seances with different mediums to talk to children of
Speaker 2: hers that had.
Speaker 1: Departed kidding her.
Speaker 2: So she had several She was really into this, Okay,
Speaker 2: she was into it, and again it was well known.
Speaker 2: Disraeli's like, I don't want to talk to anyone's ghost.
Speaker 2: M So there's a lot of reasons why people kind
Speaker 2: of dismissed this idea. They were just like, he was
Speaker 2: just a really good friend.
Speaker 1: The Oxford Dictionary of Biography likens John Brown basically a
Speaker 1: court gesture of old right. For Victoria, the loss of
Speaker 1: Albert was also the loss of the one man on
Speaker 1: earth who could tell her about herself. And without him,
Speaker 1: she was surrounded by courtiers. Even her children were her subjects.
Speaker 1: They were all too terrified to talk to her like
Speaker 1: a person. When Albert died, Victoria even said, quote, who
Speaker 1: will call me Victoria?
Speaker 2: Now that's such a melancholy line. I don't know, it
Speaker 2: made me sad to read that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Brown's gruffness, his willingness to speak his mind
Speaker 1: to her, and his lack of interest in political power
Speaker 1: is pretty much exactly what she valued. When she asked
Speaker 1: Alfred Tennyson to write lines for John Brown's tombstone, she
Speaker 1: wrote about him, quote he had no thought but for me,
Speaker 1: my welfare, my comfort, my safety, my happiness. Courageous, unselfish,
Speaker 1: totally disinterested, discreet to the highest degree, speaking truth fearlessly
Speaker 1: and telling me what he thought and considered to be
Speaker 1: just and right, without flattery, and without saying what would
Speaker 1: be pleasing if he did not think it right. The
Speaker 1: comfort of my daily life is gone. The void is terrible,
Speaker 1: the loss is irreparable.
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about it, really, what
Speaker 2: she really liked about him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know she was.
Speaker 2: She liked sex. We know that about Victory, so you know,
Speaker 2: maybe she did find herself some comfort somewhere.
Speaker 1: She liked sex with Albert. We know that with Albert.
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't see I don't remember seeing any
Speaker 1: journal entries about anybody else she was banging. She wrote
Speaker 1: a lot, so maybe she tried and it was just
Speaker 1: like some things, no one can replace Albert on.
Speaker 2: I'd rather sleep with my plaster cast his hand.
Speaker 1: Oh, Albert's plaster cast is a more generous lover than
Speaker 1: you'll ever be. John Brown.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: I feel like John Brown doesn't sound like a generous
Speaker 1: lover to me.
Speaker 2: He does not, He does not. There is a little
Speaker 2: story where her doctor James reed once like happened upon
Speaker 2: the Queen and John Brown together, okay, and he don't
Speaker 2: know what they're joking about. The only two lines her
Speaker 2: we know is that John Brown lifted his kilt to
Speaker 2: show his knee and said is it here? And Queen
Speaker 2: Victoria lifted her skirt and said, no, it is here.
Speaker 2: So they're like, there's something going on there because it's
Speaker 2: very unusual in Victorian times to show your limb to
Speaker 2: a man that was very I may as well have
Speaker 2: popped a boob out at him or something. So the
Speaker 2: doctor clearly saw it as strange enough that he had
Speaker 2: to write it down in his diary. That's the reason
Speaker 2: we know about that story.
Speaker 1: Well, it was the old two knees.
Speaker 2: Joke, the old the old two knees flirting.
Speaker 1: Which, uh, which nie is? Yeah? Which knee am I gonna? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the old two knees joke is. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess that's it.
Speaker 2: We don't know. Setup no punchline, but the worst kind
Speaker 2: of joke. But I kind of think I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's just very funny because she's such an interesting character. Victoria.
Speaker 2: She liked Benjamin Disraeli because he flattered her a lot.
Speaker 2: He even had a joke about like laying it all
Speaker 2: with a trowel or something like that. But then she
Speaker 2: likes John Brown because he doesn't. So she clearly just
Speaker 2: needs different things from different people. She likes having some
Speaker 2: guy around her that does not cow tow sure, and
Speaker 2: she liked having somebody who I don't know it wasn't
Speaker 2: afraid of being fired or beheaded or something by her,
Speaker 2: you know, who could talk to her like a regular
Speaker 2: person to be a friend.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that the real power of being a
Speaker 1: queen too? Is Like I obviously people's default mode is
Speaker 1: going to be towards subservience and doing whatever they think
Speaker 1: makes you happy. But you can also get a couple
Speaker 1: of people to say you kind of have control over that.
Speaker 1: I don't have control over that. Like people are going
Speaker 1: to do one or the other around me. I got
Speaker 1: nothing to say about it, And usually it's the latter.
Speaker 1: Usually it's people telling me to my face what's wrong
Speaker 1: with everything I'm doing? Present company included.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what you mean. I've never spoken
Speaker 2: a word of criticism, so.
Speaker 1: You know, it just another benefit of that royal life,
Speaker 1: I guess right.
Speaker 2: And the drawback though, because I think, you know, everyone
Speaker 2: talking to her wanted something. Yeah, and so she's like,
Speaker 2: I like this guy, I don't want nothing from me.
Speaker 2: He just wants to do what he's doing.
Speaker 1: But how many of those how many those people were
Speaker 1: offered up to her that she dismissed or or punished.
Speaker 1: I do wonder that, you know, because at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's she she wants everybody to tell her what she
Speaker 1: you know, she wants people to reveal with her until
Speaker 1: she doesn't one day and is like, how dare you
Speaker 1: speak like that? I'm the queen.
Speaker 2: Well, and she's the reason her kids were kind of
Speaker 2: afraid of her too, she was. She never let them
Speaker 2: forget that she was the queen and not just their mother,
Speaker 2: so that, you know, there she had a little bit
Speaker 2: to you know, she had responsibility for that for sure.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, and I do wonder sometimes, just with
Speaker 2: knowing about the Kensington system, how much because she's she
Speaker 2: was a decisive person. Oh no, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: take away her agency here as a queen. She made decisions.
Speaker 2: She was not just handing off her power right and
Speaker 2: left to different men.
Speaker 1: Or anything.
Speaker 2: But I do wonder how much she second guessed herself
Speaker 2: just because of growing up with people being like you
Speaker 2: should be second guessing yourself at all times. Not only
Speaker 2: does she have that coordinated campaign to make her like that,
Speaker 2: but she also was already growing up in a time
Speaker 2: where it's like women aren't really that smart, women don't
Speaker 2: really know what to do, women don't know how life.
Speaker 2: You can't do life, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's just like you have from so many different
Speaker 2: sides this feeling of am I should I? Am I
Speaker 2: really the right person to be doing this? Should I not?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So anyway, I just feel
Speaker 2: like she must have had a lot of conflicting, a
Speaker 2: lot of mixed emotions around that sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where she's like, I need my respect that I deserve
Speaker 2: and if you don't show it, I have to you know,
Speaker 2: I'd be like fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I wish I had a friend who could
Speaker 2: just josh around with me about my knees.
Speaker 3: But two knees joke, Oh, nobody's done two knees with
Speaker 3: me since Albert's played two.
Speaker 2: Knees with me now, So you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: do you think she was fucking John Brown?
Speaker 1: Do I think she was? On this?
Speaker 2: Based on this evidence, I'll.
Speaker 1: Say, I don't know. It kind of feels like it
Speaker 1: because it's sort of she's got like a in a
Speaker 1: sexual sense, she's got subvibes to me, like a submissive,
Speaker 1: like she likes having a daddy and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and like somebody is sort of like the more dominant
Speaker 1: hand plaster or flesh, whichever it may be. And again,
Speaker 1: that might come back from social conditioning, whether that was
Speaker 1: her upbringing or just like you said, women of the
Speaker 1: time or whatever. But she seemed to kind of maybe
Speaker 1: maybe take some pleasure in someone who kind of stood
Speaker 1: up to her. I might have been thrilling. You see
Speaker 1: that a lot with people who are I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you see it a lot, but the general idea is
Speaker 1: that people in high level, powerful positions in the bedroom
Speaker 1: are willing to hand that power over to someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to not make decisions for a minute,
Speaker 2: and they want to be told to do and.
Speaker 1: Maybe not even just in the bedroom, it might even
Speaker 1: be in their relationship. You know, it's like I go
Speaker 1: home and that the other person's in charge. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: in charge all day. So she to me their dynamic Carson.
Speaker 1: John Brown's feels like that, like he's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: do what I say. I call you woman, I do
Speaker 1: what I want around you. You know? Was she like
Speaker 1: did that kind of turn her on a little bit?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe no, no telling.
Speaker 2: I gotta wonder too if she's just like one person
Speaker 2: has to love me, specially just me and have my
Speaker 2: welfare at heart. I'm their main concern because she had
Speaker 2: Louise her governess. Then she went to Albert, then she
Speaker 2: went to John Brown. You know, she only has the
Speaker 2: one person kind of as a confidant. Everybody else is
Speaker 2: like everybody else. Yeah, So I wonder too if she's
Speaker 2: like not capable of having two confidants at once, like
Speaker 2: she doesn't believe you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's just a pattern she got into.
Speaker 1: Also did we kind of brought up earlier, but like
Speaker 1: did John Brown ever say, oh, Albert wants to have
Speaker 1: sex with you, Victoria, so through me, right, he would
Speaker 1: like to And of course that's like kind of tantamount
Speaker 1: to rape, right, I mean, like I'm giving you the
Speaker 1: false yeah, pretext, I'm taking advantage of your frash and
Speaker 1: emotional state to have second you. That's pretty twisted, right
Speaker 1: Did John Brown do that? I don't know. He's certainly
Speaker 1: I know he didn't use it to get political power.
Speaker 1: But if he's not communicating with the ghost of Prince Albert,
Speaker 1: and personally I don't think he was, then he was
Speaker 1: using it for something. I mean, whether it was just
Speaker 1: a comfy bedroom to sleep in at night, or you know,
Speaker 1: getting laid by the Queen. I don't know, maybe I mean.
Speaker 2: But also you have to keep in mind there's a
Speaker 2: different feeling in the UK about your queen. You know,
Speaker 2: there are plenty of people who are like it would
Speaker 2: be the honor of my life, a privilege of my
Speaker 2: life to be a close person to the Queen. I
Speaker 2: would like nothing more than to help them. And if
Speaker 2: he really did dedicate himself to her interests like that,
Speaker 2: he might have been like, whatever it makes her feel better.
Speaker 2: I'll pretend to be Albert and I'll say whatever you
Speaker 2: think is right is what you should do.
Speaker 1: But you can let me smoke around you.
Speaker 2: But I want to smoke.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. The fact that he
Speaker 1: called her woman doesn't make me feel like he had
Speaker 1: all this reverence for the position of the queen. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't decide myself because I'm like part of me
Speaker 2: is like I don't believe it because she was just
Speaker 2: so so in love with Albert, and she was in
Speaker 2: love with him her whole life. She never stopped loving him,
Speaker 2: so I'm like she never really considered herself open to
Speaker 2: love someone else. I don't know if that means she
Speaker 2: said no one can have sex with me again, but
Speaker 2: it seems to be really tied up. Sex and love
Speaker 2: were very tied up for her, so I would be surprised.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: But if you found some real, real evidence of it,
Speaker 2: and I could see her being very lonely and wanting
Speaker 2: a friend and saying, you can call me whatever, I
Speaker 2: don't care. Because he had been Albert's friend too, so
Speaker 2: he knew Albert. He could talk to her about Albert.
Speaker 1: I don't know, my I think where I'm landing is
Speaker 1: that I think that combined her talking about him after
Speaker 1: he died, her grief and despair after John Brown died
Speaker 1: being the only thing that ever matched Albert's death, and
Speaker 1: her being so in love with Albert and thinking that
Speaker 1: John Brown was a conduit for him. I think I
Speaker 1: think they were.
Speaker 2: Doing they were doing it. I think I do fa
Speaker 2: but fair enough, it could be.
Speaker 1: There's only one way to know for sure, and that's
Speaker 1: define that's to have a seance.
Speaker 2: Prince Albert, if you're here, well, speaking of the seances,
Speaker 2: I mean we we did hear some pretty gnarly stuff.
Speaker 2: They knew the courtier's names and he was speaking.
Speaker 1: With his voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we I mean, we can't know how real
Speaker 2: these stances are. We were not there. I think there
Speaker 2: are some people who do seem to have a knack
Speaker 2: with you contacting uncanny or having some kind of experience,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to tell them they weren't having
Speaker 2: an experience. But it must be said that, of course,
Speaker 2: there were tons of ways to fool people in Victoria's time,
Speaker 2: and people, oh, we're doing it. It's a very lucrative scam.
Speaker 1: When people want to believe something, it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to convince them that it's happening, very true.
Speaker 2: And we're time at desperate, sad people that they were
Speaker 2: praying on, so pretty fucked up. Predatory mediums would do
Speaker 2: a lot of crazy things to convince. For example, they
Speaker 2: would regularly hire actors and ventriloquists so they could make
Speaker 2: voices and whispers you know, sound around the room during
Speaker 2: a seyon.
Speaker 1: They would also use invisible ink, right, so all the
Speaker 1: medium would have to do is get some water sprinkled
Speaker 1: over a piece of paper, and then a message would appear.
Speaker 2: As if it was being written.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Chimney sweeps were paid to hang out in chimneys and
Speaker 2: wrap on the flu in response to question so once
Speaker 2: for yes, twice for no, and there's just a little
Speaker 2: seven year old up there or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of into this one too. They would make
Speaker 1: candles that included the deceased perfume or cologne, so when
Speaker 1: they would like them, the breeze would come in and
Speaker 1: be like, it smells like my late husband didn't here.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean that would be very convincing if
Speaker 2: you had a waft of your wife's perfume or something,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Of course, fake ectoplasm is easily made
Speaker 2: with normal household things like flower water and corn starch,
Speaker 2: so not a hard thing to fake that out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure. I'm often making pizza at night and
Speaker 1: be like, who got ectoplasm all over the counter. They
Speaker 1: even Obviously, photography was pretty new. Nobody really understood how
Speaker 1: photographs worked very well back then, so the people who
Speaker 1: did could make spirit photos by overlaying underdeveloped portraits that
Speaker 1: would make it seem like there was this ghostly figure
Speaker 1: captured in there. I mean, I can't even see a
Speaker 1: real photo that I took myself without thinking I photoshot ai.
Speaker 1: That's fake.
Speaker 2: But of course photography at the time, Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: the only way to capture the truth. If you saw
Speaker 2: a ghostly figure, it must have been there, you know.
Speaker 2: So lots of lots of ways to mess with people.
Speaker 2: And I do think it's really funny that they would
Speaker 2: go into a cabinet.
Speaker 1: This is what that's the one that really got made.
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Turn around. I will speak to the medium.
Speaker 2: I have invisibility powers, but only when you so yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, And of course we've all seen a million
Speaker 2: of these types of fakers, right. It's it's Victoria's fascination
Speaker 2: with spiritualism was so so well known that it's possible
Speaker 2: that whoever Robert James Lee's and whoever he was working
Speaker 2: with for these seances deliberately said, let's get a message
Speaker 2: from Albert, because then the queen will notice us. And
Speaker 2: then they might have said, oh, well, let's make sure
Speaker 2: we know if she's she's gonna send somebody to see
Speaker 2: how really you are. Let's make sure we know who
Speaker 2: they are, and when they come in, uh, Hans. They
Speaker 2: might have had somebody in the court, you know, leaking
Speaker 2: information center. They would have some private details. It's not
Speaker 2: hard to imagine how you could hoax that she send
Speaker 2: in Gerald and Philip and then make sure he says
Speaker 2: something about how glad he is. She still has his
Speaker 2: hand the night. That's good to comfort. She'll know what
Speaker 2: it means.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know, of course Lee's might have been like
Speaker 2: a good impressionist. See, and they must have heard Albert talk, yeah,
Speaker 2: before I give a speech or something, so they could
Speaker 2: fake up his voice somehow or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 2: but you know, it is also possible that the veil
Speaker 2: between living and dead is thinner than we think, especially
Speaker 2: in spooky season. Could be true that's something of our souls,
Speaker 2: our consciousness can imprint itself on the world and leave
Speaker 2: itself behind. It could be true that there's something.
Speaker 1: With us right now, Oh spooky, okay, all right, a
Speaker 1: royal seance for a dead prince ghost ghosts? Okay?
Speaker 2: Now, my my other question is if there really is
Speaker 2: a ghost of Prince Albert hanging out? Are he and
Speaker 2: Victoria hanging out? Or is he like lonely because no
Speaker 2: one talks to him anymore?
Speaker 1: I hope that if because Queen Victoria's a ghosts now too.
Speaker 2: In that case, they're they're they're doing it in the
Speaker 2: beyond and leave an ecoplasm all over.
Speaker 1: She tossed away that plaster hand was like, finally, I
Speaker 1: don't need this.
Speaker 2: Anymore, give me some spirit fingers.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's the spookiest image of all. Well, I
Speaker 1: like it. I don't know. I would love to see
Speaker 1: Lee's setting up this ghost heist basically, you know. Also
Speaker 1: insane to me that if they did, if they were
Speaker 1: like Queen Victoria, she's into spiritualism, Let's see if we
Speaker 1: can nab her. Like, if you're running a con operation
Speaker 1: of spiritualism and ghosts, you're going to go for a
Speaker 1: fish that big. That's that's ballsy, it is because that
Speaker 1: is drawing a lot of attention to yourself. And you know,
Speaker 1: fortunately she bought it. But to me, that's like, that's
Speaker 1: like we're gonna rob the Bellagio. You know. That's the
Speaker 1: big score that a lot of people have been like,
Speaker 1: why would you put yourself in that danger? I'm perfectly
Speaker 1: happy going after the First National Bank. A couple of times.
Speaker 2: This guy was like, I'm made for life though as
Speaker 2: a medium. I mean you must think that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: especially because male mediums were less popular, maybe he was like,
Speaker 2: I really need to stand out. If I do some
Speaker 2: seances at Buckingham Palace, I mean, I'll be in demand.
Speaker 1: He told his crew this one last score and then
Speaker 1: we're out.
Speaker 3: We'll be sipping martini's in Malibu.
Speaker 2: What's a martini?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the better question. Okay, all right, well here's
Speaker 1: my question to you. Then?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: Uh? Who? What historical figure would you seance with? Mmmm?
Speaker 2: That I would most want to call to me? Questions?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get one, you have one little sciance. It's
Speaker 1: it's the classic like who would you have lunch with?
Speaker 1: But they're they're actually.
Speaker 2: Dead right and they can only speak in caps and
Speaker 2: wraps or some shit.
Speaker 1: You taps and raps or through a medium conduit. Okay, listeners,
Speaker 1: I want you to email us your answers as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, we'd love to know who would I saance with? Hmmm, God,
Speaker 2: this is tough. So many people.
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing in your mind too well.
Speaker 1: It could be this, but then what about that?
Speaker 2: But then if I didn't do that, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: what would I rather stay on with someone who could
Speaker 2: tell me more about myself and my family history, or
Speaker 2: somebody you know, way from the past, or somebody who
Speaker 2: might have the key to a long held mystery or
Speaker 2: cold case or something that would be pretty cool to
Speaker 2: be able to find out.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just got some good stories, you know, right.
Speaker 2: That's really what I'm like, honestly, would rather just be like,
Speaker 2: tell me, you know about, I don't know, some cool
Speaker 2: party you went to and all the people that were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Twain, Yeah, might be really fun.
Speaker 2: I think about Oscar Wilde. I think he would be
Speaker 2: sure tell me everybody he was really talking about when
Speaker 2: he wrote the Importance of being arnestor or whatever. That's
Speaker 2: what I don't know. I feel like some part of
Speaker 2: me would be like, I'd rather talk to my dad's mom,
Speaker 2: who died when I was ten. I would love to
Speaker 2: know more about her life and like, you know, give
Speaker 2: me some of the dirt you know from your life
Speaker 2: and your family and stuff, because we don't only know
Speaker 2: much about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we only got your son's version, I know.
Speaker 2: Right, and he only got you know, probably your highly
Speaker 2: edited version because he's your son to tell him everything.
Speaker 2: So I need to know the truth. I want to
Speaker 2: know what really is going on with her, why she
Speaker 2: left Edinburgh, what's you know? All that stuff? So I
Speaker 2: don't know. That would be really fun, but it would
Speaker 2: also be really cool to be like, hey, Governor Morris,
Speaker 2: tell me about the founding of America. Yeah, true, and
Speaker 2: all your fun house parties and stuff. Who would you do?
Speaker 2: Who would you talk to?
Speaker 1: I think I would talk to right now. I just
Speaker 1: want to go to John Brown and be like, what
Speaker 1: was Scott? I'm your answers here, buddy, were you guys
Speaker 1: doing it or not?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: That's just because it's on my mind. I know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Mostly I just want to hear what you
Speaker 1: all think. Tell me about your spiritual seances, tell us,
Speaker 1: tell us if you've had one, because I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: And here's another question for you. Have you had communication
Speaker 1: with the other side, Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Would love to know that. What about you have I No,
Speaker 2: I have not, and I have been to a stay.
Speaker 2: We have actually conducted one ye and I was not
Speaker 2: a believer. I wasn't by the end either, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people that were there felt said that they
Speaker 2: felt things.
Speaker 1: Well, especially the person I was oijiing with that Ouigi
Speaker 1: was going nuts and she straight out told me half
Speaker 1: an hour later, oh yeah, I was moving that all
Speaker 1: over the place, and she is a believer. So I
Speaker 1: don't understand why that was what was happening there. But
Speaker 1: I did see a spooky, spooky spirit when I was
Speaker 1: a kid in my house, and others had claimed to
Speaker 1: see it as well, a young girl standing at the
Speaker 1: top of our basement stairs.
Speaker 2: So that was I do remember that.
Speaker 1: Robbiie one that stuck with me. And then I think
Speaker 1: I have told this story about when I when the
Speaker 1: the children's book that played sounds was going off in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and I thought it was
Speaker 1: a train. But what I remember in my as I
Speaker 1: was waking up was pushing the b and on a
Speaker 1: like like reaching up and pushing some sort of button,
Speaker 1: which after I knew that it was a book of sounds.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it was that book
Speaker 1: like floating over my head and I pushed the button.
Speaker 2: Oh creepy.
Speaker 1: And then also I distinctly remember once as a kid
Speaker 1: looking up at the ceiling and the shadows from my
Speaker 1: lamp like turned into a face, like an animated face
Speaker 1: that was talking.
Speaker 2: Whoa that.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one.
Speaker 2: That's very creepy. Yeah, yeah, and I haven't had anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should be happy or not.
Speaker 1: I just honestly don't recommend it. All those memories have
Speaker 1: stuck with me, and not in a positive way. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're cool stories, you know, but but I got other stories.
Speaker 2: The principle of my high school told us once she
Speaker 2: was a very pragmatic person, not a believer in magic,
Speaker 2: but she said she she experienced someone with telekinesis once
Speaker 2: she watched her move a lamp from one side of
Speaker 2: the room to the other with the moving just with
Speaker 2: their eyes or something.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't believe, because I have been trying
Speaker 1: so hard to move stuff with my mind. If you
Speaker 1: see me and I'm not actively engaged in conversation, I'm
Speaker 1: probably trying to move things around my mind.
Speaker 2: My only thought is that what if it's harder to
Speaker 2: move with your mind than with your body, so you'd
Speaker 2: just be like, I'd rather just fucking pick up the lamp.
Speaker 2: It gives me stuck a headache.
Speaker 1: I thought that if I if, like the power is
Speaker 1: that you can teleport, but it takes as long as
Speaker 1: it would for you to walk, Oh, would you still
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: Would you bother?
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I mean yes, I wouldn't have to walk.
Speaker 2: The thing is that I don't have to walk. I
Speaker 2: guess the question would be if it takes as long
Speaker 2: as a flight though, Like if you if you could
Speaker 2: teleport from here to Europe, but it took as long
Speaker 2: as a flight as a flight, absolute, would you still teleport?
Speaker 1: Why? Yeah? Why wouldn't I obviously deal with the airport anybody?
Speaker 1: My question is if it took you as long as
Speaker 1: it took to walk, so it would take you for
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, whatever weeks probably to get to Europe,
Speaker 1: would you fly or would you still teleport? Probably? Fly?
Speaker 1: I don't know. My time's not that valuable. Wow. If
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with the airport, I don't
Speaker 1: have to get on a plane. If I don't have
Speaker 1: to get up to it. Rather, look, I've often said
Speaker 1: that with superpowers, I would be the laziest super person.
Speaker 1: I won't even say superhero of all time. I would
Speaker 1: be a real fat Spider Man because I'd be just
Speaker 1: getting I'd just be web slinging Dorito's from the cabinet
Speaker 1: to my to my lap, and that that'd be the
Speaker 1: long and short of my Spider powers.
Speaker 2: No, that is that is a that is a stone
Speaker 2: left unturned by a lot of these right superhero shows,
Speaker 2: Because I know we complained about this about the Flash
Speaker 2: on c W is that anybody who got powers besides
Speaker 2: the Flash was the bad guy to immediately be evil,
Speaker 2: And we were like, where are all the people that
Speaker 2: would get powers and literally do nothing not change their
Speaker 2: life very significantly. They would just like, oh now I
Speaker 2: don't have to get up out of my bed to
Speaker 2: turn on the line.
Speaker 1: Right, It'd probably be like, oh, I can control the weather. Great,
Speaker 1: it's rain today and I want to go outside, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it not rain, or like I don't
Speaker 1: feel like going anywhere today, so I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: little thunderstorm and read a book. Yeah, that's probably most
Speaker 1: people have six steps.
Speaker 2: Right, would be like I'm going to make sure it
Speaker 2: rains on my ex's wedding day or something.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to be maybe little, yeah,
Speaker 1: little scampy stuff like that, but not like I'm going
Speaker 1: to craft a tornado so I can rob a bank.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, how many people really want to do
Speaker 2: all that? There's a lot of effort, is what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't like to put in
Speaker 2: a lot of efforts.
Speaker 1: Well, and I would argue that for most people, not
Speaker 1: being able to form a tornado at will is not
Speaker 1: the thing stopping them from robbing a bank. It's not
Speaker 1: the only thing, man, It's the only thing holding me
Speaker 1: back from robbing that bank. But I'll tell you, if
Speaker 1: I could create a tornado with my hands, it's sober
Speaker 1: for you, It's sober.
Speaker 2: For all, y'all. I'll be up in that first national.
Speaker 1: Right the bellagio.
Speaker 2: Oh y'all, we get robbed. What does a tornado play
Speaker 2: into this heist? Anyway?
Speaker 1: You know, tornado comes through the roof, it's in the vault,
Speaker 1: sucks up money, tornado.
Speaker 2: Tunnel it up. Okay, well then now it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Now I feel like if you can make a tornado.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weirdo. E is not as much as
Speaker 2: I expected.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm switching my exercises in telekinesis to now
Speaker 1: tornado creation.
Speaker 2: So that we can rob banks.
Speaker 1: So we can rob thanks. What a life?
Speaker 2: Well anyway, Austin. Sensibly this episode was about Queen victorious somewhere,
Speaker 2: so hopefully you enjoyed this.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun for us to talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of a lot of sauce on that. Hopefully, hopefully.
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