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Speaker 1: October. Man, it is packed to the gills every year,

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Speaker 1: is what we just started. We're only I don't think

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Speaker 1: we mentioned this last time. We're just a few sessions

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Speaker 1: in to starting power yoga.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, my fourth, fourth, my third, needless to say,

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Speaker 1: I've not done yoga before.

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Speaker 2: Also my first hot yoga. I've done some yoga, but

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Speaker 2: this is my first like hot yoga.

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Speaker 1: And god, and it's not even just I mean, the

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Speaker 1: heat is one element, but it's the I mean it

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Speaker 1: is a strength exercise and it's like stability, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Everything they say about yoga is true. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I know, it is tense. Yep, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to come out of this looking like Ryan Reynolds

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Speaker 1: crossed with one of the Hemsworth. I would say, I

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Speaker 1: would say three more weeks.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's about six weeks of work for them, right.

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Speaker 2: I think so at least or so like that that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if that maybe five? Yeah, it's just because they can

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Speaker 2: do it, you know, full time.

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Speaker 1: They probably eat half a pizza every other night, right, definitely?

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Speaker 1: All right, then I'm right on all the meats for protein.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't eat meat. Ah crap. Now, I'll never.

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Speaker 2: Look like vegetables do nothing for you.

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Speaker 1: What else is going on this month?

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Speaker 2: Let's see, Well, it's I mean it's it's Halloween month.

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Speaker 2: It's spooky season. So what isn't going on? We got

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Speaker 2: stuff to do, We got costumes to plan. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: we actually have a party to go to this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh crap.

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Speaker 2: We get a parade A little five points A little.

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Speaker 1: Five points Halloween Parade is a time hunered Atlanta tradition.

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Speaker 1: If you've never been, it's a wacky, wild, good time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty much the pre eminent Halloween weekend

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Speaker 2: of activities, yeah at in Atlanta. Yeah, because it's like

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Speaker 2: a whole weekend of various stuff. They got a haunted house,

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Speaker 2: a three D haunted house, which I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that means because in the third dimension they're usually forty

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Speaker 2: we can like smell things.

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Speaker 1: Too, but yeah, and they take time. That's a dimension, right,

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Speaker 2: Question question the three D el on.

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I'd be more impressed to experience a two

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Speaker 2: It's all in a coloring book or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will have a hard time doing that this

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Speaker 1: month too, because I'm also remounting the show that I

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Speaker 1: was in. What last year when we did Tipsy Tales

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Speaker 1: Presents robin Hood. It's a live show that I'm the

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Speaker 1: narrator and I'm Alan Adale or the Rooster. If you're

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Speaker 1: only familiar with Disney's Robin.

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Speaker 2: Hood, I wish you were dressed like a rooster.

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Speaker 1: Look, I almost was in the show. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of pomp I love that and

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Speaker 1: pizzaz But yeah, we do. The producers of the show

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Speaker 1: wrote this hilarious script, just one hour sort of robin

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Speaker 1: Hood story, the traditional Robin Hood story classic, but each

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Speaker 1: night of the show, one actor gets pretty drunk before

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Speaker 2: They're given full rein to destroy their part any.

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Speaker 1: Scene, and they do. Last time, Like last time we

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Speaker 2: Like there was a win.

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Speaker 1: We had to get her twin to come back. That's right.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like there was a romance

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Speaker 2: between the sheriff. That's what it was, one of them.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: Anything it happened. Some people asked last time when we

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Speaker 1: more weekend this time. A few different actors but otherwise

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Speaker 1: mostly the same show. And it's the weekend before Halloween

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Speaker 1: a it's it's a good time.

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Speaker 2: It is a good time. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Plus you're, of course encouraged to drink. I believe that.

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Speaker 2: That's right. You're the babysitter. But the rest of us

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Speaker 2: are allowed to drink as much as we want.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look, alcohol makes Alcohol is every comedy theater

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Speaker 2: It does help a lot for people to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but seeing as how it's October, that

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Speaker 1: of course changes everything around here on Ridiculous Romance too,

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Speaker 1: because year one we started this tradition almost by accident,

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Speaker 1: It's time for recripulous Romance, and that's when we take

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Speaker 1: the spookiest, scariest, grossest, creepiest stories we can find that

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Speaker 1: still fit the Ridiculous Romance category and we try and

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Speaker 1: do them once a week throughout October. Tonight will be

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Speaker 1: no different. In fact, a nice roll into the season.

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Speaker 2: I think, true, true, because we're actually we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about Queen Victoria, not who.

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Speaker 1: I think of when I think horror and murder and mystery.

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Speaker 2: I know it's so true. We are not abused, but no,

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Speaker 2: Queen Victoria actually had quite a fascination with the spirit world.

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Speaker 2: She was a very powerful queen. Obviously, she had one

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Speaker 2: of the longest reigns in British history until, of course,

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Speaker 2: our girl, Queen Elizabeth the Second. She was very ably

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Speaker 2: assisted by her husband, Prince Albert, and these two had

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Speaker 2: They were doing it all the time, and when he

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Speaker 1: So for our first.

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Speaker 2: Recorptulous romance of the spooky season, let's find out how

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Speaker 2: Queen Victoria ruled over the British Empire with the health

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Speaker 2: of her husband's ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Let's goot friends, a listen, well, let's beat say you

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Speaker 1: welcome to Hell.

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Speaker 2: There's no matchmaking, romantic taps, it's judged all cops, you're

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Speaker 1: I love my dag type of moms A ghost.

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Speaker 2: Stood demonic dog that if.

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Speaker 3: There's a spirit with a shift in jags, we'll put

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Speaker 1: Row a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: So Victoria, she was fifth in line to inherit the

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Speaker 2: it was pretty easy to see that she was going

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Speaker 1: Well, we have people kept dropping off around this.

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Speaker 2: Baby curiously, man, like this is some weird shit.

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Speaker 1: I'd be looking at this baby fifth in line And'd

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Speaker 1: be like, uh, numbers one, two, three, and four. Suspiciously,

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Speaker 1: that's the first mystery. Which of the Pickwick triplets?

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Speaker 2: I did it?

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Speaker 1: Baby murderer?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we clearly just finished only murders in the building.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, many people were like, Okay, it's definitely going

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Speaker 2: her governess Louise Lesson slipped a copy of the genealogy

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Speaker 2: And she is reported to have said quote, I will

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Speaker 1: So she meant I will be good, I will be

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Speaker 1: I'll be good like I'll be the best theraist, which

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Speaker 2: It could have been that, but I feel like, was

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Speaker 1: Good, I'll be good. You guys can have it. I'll

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Speaker 2: Somebody call I don't know when I old uncles or

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Speaker 1: Well, if she became queen before she turned eighteen, of

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Speaker 2: The Duchess of Kent too, the doctors of Kent.

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Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, the Duchess of Kent was close as crabs

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Speaker 1: with her comptroller, Sir John Conroy. Some people even thought

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Speaker 1: that they might have been lovers. Of course, a lot

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Speaker 1: schemed up all kinds of ways to keep Victoria under

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Speaker 1: this a thousand times in every sort of historical regal drama,

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Speaker 2: That we see, it's always this power behind the throne.

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Speaker 1: Now, they created what was called the Kensington system, and

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Speaker 2: The funny thing about this is that, like if you're

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Speaker 2: They're all just whisperings.

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Speaker 1: That is not unlike today.

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Speaker 2: It's so true. So I don't know how much I

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Speaker 1: You were always like two people, a man the woman

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Speaker 1: spending time together. Oh, two women spending time together.

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Speaker 2: so long. There's only so many books one can read.

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Speaker 1: Well regardless, still just rumors. Point being that the Duchess

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Speaker 1: and Conroy made Victoria's childhood extremely lonely and isolating, right,

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Speaker 2: She would constantly be turning to them like what should

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Speaker 2: I do? What should I do? But as she got older,

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Speaker 2: Victoria was pressured constantly to make Sir John Conroy her

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Speaker 2: So she finally proposed to him, and they were married

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Speaker 1: Of my life. She I mean, she is like God.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna hear Senator John Kennedy reading

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Speaker 2: I will give you the best low job.

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Speaker 1: That's in the news. If you'all haven't seen that one yet,

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Speaker 2: One of the least sexy things you'll ever hear.

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Speaker 1: Shot we could.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so she's she is like I found out

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Speaker 1: Albert a generous lover's handled business. And this is probably

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Speaker 2: I don't know this, you know, I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that I made that joke. Fall Rell flat.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it was.

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Speaker 1: It's a very old joke. It's like a like a prince.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot about it.

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Speaker 2: I thought Prince Albert was the piercing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why it's called the Prince Albert.

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Speaker 2: Queen Victoria loved doing it. She's got she's real into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Albert even got Victoria to dismiss her old Governess

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Speaker 1: But Lessen was also the one who was out there

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Speaker 2: every step of the way. They were like, don't bring

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00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: that foreign stuff into my you know, my country or whatever.

439
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 2: But of course it was an enormous success, so they

440
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: were like, oh shit. Albert's a smart guy. So over

441
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: the years his influence only grew and he ended up

442
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: like helping with Victoria's government paperwork. He started drafting or correspondence.

443
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: He would attend cabinet meetings. He would even see cabinet

444
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: ministers alone without Victoria. So a clerk named Charles Greville

445
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: wrote in his private journal quote, he is king to

446
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: all intents and purposes.

447
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: Man, I want to put this guy in a can

448
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: and carry him out, all right.

449
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: He sounds like a smart cat.

450
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, things look pretty dark. I'm gonna pop

451
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: open at cant Albert, see what happens. But you know,

452
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous romance, and as is often the case, tragedy awaited.

453
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: Their eldest son, Bertie, was at Cambridge at this point,

454
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: and the Queen had heard that he was consorting with

455
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: an Irish actress named Nellie actress excuse me. They were

456
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: terrified that this girl was going to get pregnant, or

457
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: start some kind of scandal, or even start blackmailing Birdie

458
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: something like that. So Albert went to visit the kid

459
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: and discuss him, you know, getting his shit together. A

460
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: few weeks later, though, Albert died of typhoid fever. But

461
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: two years prior to his illness with typhoid, Albert had

462
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: been dealing with intense pain in his stomach and legs,

463
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: So there's some scholars that think that he might have

464
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: already been suffering with Crohn's disease or maybe even kidney

465
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: failure or stomach cancer. So unsure exactly what it was

466
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: that led to his death, or that he would not

467
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: have died soon anyway, but Victoria was devastated. Obviously, we

468
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: know how much she loved him, and she went into

469
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: deep mourning. She would only wear black for the rest

470
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: of her life. She locked herself away from the public.

471
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: She became so remote that she was known as the

472
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: Widow of Windsor. She slept with a plaster cast of

473
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Speaker 1: Albert's hand, and she also kept Albert's room exactly the

474
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: way it was, wouldn't touch anything. The servants even came

475
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: in each night to lay out fresh clothes and hot

476
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: water and change the sheets.

477
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: No one was in there as if he was coming home.

478
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: I find that so sad. A plaster cast of his

479
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: hand makes me really sad, because you know, she just

480
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: wants to hold She just.

481
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: Wants to hold it.

482
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: That's so sad.

483
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, unless your mind slips into the gutter

484
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: like mine. But I'm going to go with it. She

485
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: was just holding his hands up against her face on

486
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: the pillow at night. I mean, I think he would

487
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: probably go with it from those diary entries.

488
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: Okay, However, speculation station it was a masturbation aid. But

489
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: not long after Albert's death, someone brought a startling story

490
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: to Victoria's attention. It was the editor of a spiritualist

491
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: magazine who had recently sat in on a seance. Now,

492
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: at this time, spiritualism was as in vogue as scientific advantage.

493
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: Sort of. The funny thing about the Victorian age the

494
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: spirit you know, alongside everyone being like, let's measure in

495
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: way I categorize everything, they were very concerned with the unknowable,

496
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, which is really interesting. Nothing preoccupied the Victorian

497
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: mind more than if there was life after death, and

498
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: if so, what was going on in how can I talk?

499
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that makes sense if you're in

500
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: an age where you're really looking a lot of scientific

501
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: advancements and you're trying to answer I mean, isn't that

502
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: what science often is is the pursuit of answering the unanswerable. Right,

503
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: So your mind is already in that place and you're

504
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I figured out why water turns to

505
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: steam when you heat it up. Now tell me what

506
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: happens when we die? Right?

507
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: Can I not talk to my mom?

508
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like goes in that order water into steam. What

509
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: happens when we die.

510
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: Amazing. There's so many reasons that it took off spiritualism,

511
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: and one of them I think is interesting is that

512
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: they found women to be better mediums than men because

513
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: they were considered a more spiritual sure, so there's a

514
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: lot of actually a lot of women's rights sort of

515
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: marched along with spiritualism and mediums and stuff because they

516
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: were able to gain some power and influence. They were

517
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: able to make money on their own. So all that

518
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: to say, spiritualism is huge at this time. Everybody's into it.

519
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: Even Charles Dickens, our old friend, who did not believe

520
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: in spiritualism at all, was writing ghost stories. You know,

521
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: people will prop preoccupied.

522
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: I know it exactly.

523
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Victoria and Albert had even attended a few seances themselves.

524
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: Victoria particularly into this. They even awarded a particularly convincing

525
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: medium with a medal for quote meritorious and Extraordinary clairvoyant.

526
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: So after Albert died, Victoria received this letter from this

527
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: editor of the Spiritualist magazine telling her about this seance

528
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: that he had attended. She probably would have been interested anyway,

529
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: but it was even more attention grabbing because He said

530
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: that the thirteen year old medium Robert James Lees, had

531
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: received a message from beyond for the Queen herself, and

532
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: he claimed that it was from the Prince Consort Albert.

533
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what did Albert have to say? We

534
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: will tell you right after this quick break, Welcome spirits.

535
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh back to the show.

536
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I just got a chill. The curtains just rustled. Look.

537
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: Most of the information that follows here comes from the

538
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: book Whisperers, The Secret History of the Spirit World by J. H. Brennan. Now,

539
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: a chunk of the book concerning Queen Victoria was reprinted

540
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: in The Daily Beasts, so that's where we found most

541
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: of this. Brennan says that, of course, any historian will

542
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: tell you that Victoria had a nervous breakdown after Albert died,

543
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: and she retreated from public and political life for over

544
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: two years. She stopped trusting her own judgment. She preferred

545
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: to wonder what Albert might have done, but Brennan suggests

546
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: that she actually found a way to ask for his advice,

547
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: as if he were still alive. When she heard about

548
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: this message that Robert James Lees claimed to have, Victoria

549
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: had to move carefully. She wasn't stupid, right, she did

550
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: have a healthy skepticism about Lee's about I'm sure mediums

551
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: in general. Even when she was having a good time

552
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: and saying, oh you did so well, she's like okay, rationally,

553
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: if I had to say so. It wasn't unusual for

554
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: a famous death to attract all kinds of fake mediums

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: pretending to have messages for the grieving family. Victoria knew

556
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: this as well, so she summoned a couple of her

557
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: courtiers and told them to attend the next Lee's seance undercover.

558
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: So, using fake names and not revealing their connection to

559
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: the palace, the two courtiers went to the seance. Now,

560
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: according to Brennan, these men were not believers in spiritualism,

561
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: so they were probably trying not to laugh as they

562
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: entered the seance room, sure, which would have likely been

563
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: filled with candles and oil lamps on low, maybe decorated

564
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: with red drapes because that was believed to enhance communication

565
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: between the living and the dead. Now, the participants would

566
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: have all held hands as Robert James Lees welcomed the

567
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: spirit of Prince Albert to join them, and we don't

568
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: have details of the exact methods used by Lee's. There

569
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: were lots of different methods that mediums used at this time.

570
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: They often communicated with spirits through taps and wraps, so

571
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: they would ask a question once for yes, twice forno okay.

572
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would go into a large cabinet for part

573
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: or all of the seance, and they would maybe shout

574
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: messages that they were receiving from inside the cabinet, or

575
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: they would come out possessed by the spirit. Often the

576
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: cabinets would then be covered with like gooey ecdo plasma,

577
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: so it's proof that some uncanny activity had happened in there.

578
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Some used weed aboards, or they had pencils rigged up

579
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: over paper, so messages would be written or drawn by

580
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: an unseen hand.

581
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: And it seems like Lee's would go into a trance

582
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: in front of his guests because to the courtier's surprise,

583
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Lee's began to speak in Prince Albert's voice. It was uncanny.

584
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: They grew more and more uneasy as Lee's described rivate

585
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: details of life at the palace that only Albert would

586
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: have known h drapped in this cab My penis was Peters,

587
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: who else could have known these things? Even more terrifying.

588
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: He called the courtiers out by name, their real names,

589
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: not the fake ones that they had given Lees. They

590
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: were forced to admit that they were there on the

591
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Queen's behalf, and they questioned the ghost of Albert further.

592
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: What they heard impressed them so much they sent a

593
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: glowing report to Victoria. This medium might be the real deal.

594
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: Victoria had barely finished reading it when she received a

595
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: letter from Lee's, a letter he said was really from Albert.

596
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: This was an example of automatic writing, which is when

597
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: the spirit would take over the body of the medium

598
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: or just their hand even and use it to write

599
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: a message. Brennan says the letter was signed with a

600
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: personal pet name only Albert and Victoria used, and it

601
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: was chock full of personal details. Victoria was convinced. She

602
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: sent for Lees, who held a seance in Buckingham Palace

603
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: for her, and she was thrilled to hear Albert's voice

604
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: once again. She invited Lee's back over and over. In all,

605
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: he held nine seances for her. She finally asked if

606
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: he wanted to take up residence in the palace and

607
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: become the court medium. Lee's consulted with his spirit guides,

608
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 2: but they told him to decline. Fortunately, Albert wasn't too

609
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: picky about who could speak for him Lee's as Prince

610
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Albert told the Queen that a new medium had been

611
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: chosen to be his conduit. Quote the boy who used

612
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: to carry my guns at bellmorle Haw.

613
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: This boy was John Brown, and he had been the

614
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Prince's gilly, or the guy who goes along on fishing

615
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: and hunting expeditions, especially in the Scottish Highlands. He would

616
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: have been over twenty years old when he started working

617
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: with the royals, but not really a boy, but he

618
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: worked with the family for years, so he became a

619
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: personal friend of Albert's and was eventually promoted to a

620
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: permanent position leading the Queen's pony. Victoria wasn't surprised that

621
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: he was a medium either, because she had become convinced

622
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: that he had a second sight when only weeks before

623
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Albert's death, John Brown had said goodbye to them at

624
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Balmoral Castle, hoping they traveled safely and quote above all

625
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: that you may have no deaths in the family.

626
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: So she said, and then Albert died and John saw

627
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: that con.

628
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Although to say, hope nobody dies, and then someone dies

629
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: to me is suspicious.

630
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: You're a suspect, John, how'd you give him typhoid from Scotland?

631
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, what most people saw at this point when

632
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Victoria turned to John Brown was a grieving widow turning

633
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: to a close friend at a time that she a

634
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: difficult time. But the Queen started to rely heavily on Brown,

635
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: and his influence over her raised a lot of eyebrows.

636
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get into that and maybe unravel

637
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: the mystery of some of these spooky seances. Right after

638
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: this BREAKO, wellcome sorry, I'm doing some of my yellow exercise.

639
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: It is still so yeah.

640
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: Pretty quickly Victoria started to rely kind of heavily on

641
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: John Brown, her servant, and that was super weird for

642
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: people around the castle. The Daily Mail recounts that she

643
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: would gaze at one of her many busts of Albert

644
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: when she was asked a question about what to do.

645
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: Then she would look at John Brown before giving her answer.

646
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: She consulted him about everything, or at least to He

647
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: was also allowed kind of extraordinary license with his behavior.

648
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: He was allowed to smoke around her, which even her

649
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: sons could not do. Her second son, the Duke of Edinburgh,

650
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: even said that he had been evicted from Buckingham Palace

651
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: for refusing to shake John's hand. Instead of calling Victoria

652
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: your majesty, he would call her woman, what like hey woman?

653
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: And he would repeatedly tell her off to her face. Ah,

654
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: just lots of very clear instances of them being pretty

655
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: intimate with one another. She allowed him a lot of

656
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: freedom in the way he behaved around her, and he

657
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: got very high handed with the rest of the royal staff,

658
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: and so it wasn't long before he was pretty universally

659
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: hated around the court. They didn't like how much power

660
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: this guy had.

661
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Then, no one could understand the hold that this guy

662
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: had over the Queen either, So naturally most decided that

663
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Victoria and John Brown must have been lovers, the queen

664
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: a woman and a man's time together. I mean, there

665
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: was a lot to support that theory, though The Guardian

666
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: writes that John Brown had taken up residents in rooms

667
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: adjoining the Queen's, according to Courtier, who said it was

668
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: quote contrary to etiquette and even decency.

669
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: We remember that from our Queen Elizabeth the First and

670
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: Lord Robert Dudley episode where he had rooms next to yours.

671
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: There are a lot of rumors.

672
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: Victoria's daughters joked about quote Mama's lover, and newspapers speculated

673
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: that a secret marriage had even taken place, maybe even

674
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: a secret child, and they began calling Queen Victoria missus Brown.

675
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh, Missus Brown, You've got a lovely daughter.

676
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: Missus Brown was also the name of a nineteen ninety

677
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: seven movie about this relationship, starring Judy Dench and the

678
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Great Billy Connolly. The Great Judy Dench, they're both the

679
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: great what they're both great? Victoria even created two Medals

680
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: of Service just for John Brown, though one was given

681
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: him for foiling another possible assassination attempt, So that's legit, Like,

682
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I just think respectable.

683
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: Faithful, meritorious service. You took a bullet for me.

684
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: But if, as Brennan writes, she believed that John Brown

685
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: was a direct conduit to her beloved husband, it makes

686
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: a lot of sense why he had so much influence

687
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: over her right exactly now.

688
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: A sculptor named Edgar Boehm spent several months at Balmoral

689
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: sculpting a bust of John Brown for the Queen, and

690
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: he once told Catherine Walters, who is one of Edward

691
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: the Seventh mistresses that quote. The queen, who had been

692
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: passionately in love with her husband, got it into her

693
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: head that somehow the Prince's spirit had passed into Brown,

694
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: so he believed she allowed him quote every conjugal privilege. Ooh.

695
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: It seems that whenever she needed Albert's advice, she would

696
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: simply get Brown to conduct a seance and tell her

697
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: what Albert thought she should do. Once, The Daily Mail

698
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: recounts she left a meeting of the Privy Council to

699
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: consult with Albert, returning to tell them quote the Prince

700
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: was hostile to any act of war by England. And then,

701
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: of course there were plenty of skeptics who were like,

702
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: this guy does not have a direct line to the

703
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: ghost of Albert. He is totally faking this, And they

704
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: started thinking that, you know, he was kind of exploiting

705
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: Victoria's well known fascination with spiritualism. They started calling him

706
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: quote resputant in a kilt man.

707
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, when he came back around and was like, uh,

708
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: Prince Albert says, I can blow my smoke in your

709
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: face woman.

710
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, if he thinks it's best.

711
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Prince Albert says, time for a pay raise. When John

712
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: Brown died in eighteen eighty three, the rumors somehow gained

713
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: even more power because the Queen was devastated by his death,

714
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: much like Albert's. She likened it to losing Albert. She

715
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: said that life quote for a second time, had given

716
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: her a heavy blow. She wrote quote, perhaps never in

717
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: history was there so strong and true, an attachment so

718
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: warm and loving, a friendship between the sovereign and servant.

719
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: She wanted to write a memoir of John Brown's life,

720
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: including all the seances that he had conducted for her,

721
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: but she was advised against this. A lot of her

722
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: writing about those seances ended up being burned, so.

723
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we don't have a lot of the information about

724
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: the seances right.

725
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: And when Queen Victoria herself died years later, her face

726
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: was surrounded by her wedding veil, her hands covered in

727
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: rings from Albert and her children, and she had one

728
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: of Albert's cloaks, a handkerchief, and the plaster cast of

729
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: his hand with her. But secretly, the doctor James Reid

730
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: dropped a few other items in her coffin as well.

731
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: John Brown's mother's wedding ring was placed on one of

732
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: Victoria's fingers, his photograph in her hand, along with some

733
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: of his head and a handkerchief that belonged to him.

734
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, so.

735
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: She was mementos, yeah, of someone she really loved. Now,

736
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: of course, not everyone is convinced that they were lovers.

737
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of evidence to support it, like

738
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: written down evidence or anything. They're not even convinced that

739
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: John Brown really had that much influence on her. Kind

740
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: of like it was an intimate relationship, but it doesn't

741
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: follow that it was sexual, okay, and he didn't really

742
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: care about politics, so what would have been the point

743
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: to trusted rascootin and a kilt thing. There's lots of

744
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: reasons for this. Some say Victoria would never consider lowering

745
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: herself to have sex with a servant, she was not

746
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: that type of gal, Or that Victoria didn't approve of

747
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: widow's remarrying, so she never would have had a secret

748
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: marriage with this guy, or you know, she was also

749
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: raised in a time when women were taught that men

750
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: were superior. Even the Queen was taught that. For example,

751
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: she called Albert master and he called her child, which

752
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: is not that unusual. Child was kind of a common

753
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: endearment for a man to call his wife okay at

754
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: that time, so the you know their feeling is she

755
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: would she could never see an inferior man who had

756
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: to call her mistress or whatever as a partner. However

757
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: he called her woman. So we don't know, I know, right,

758
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: we don't know. But even in her own time, some

759
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: of Victoria's court thought Brown was pretty harmless, and in

760
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: fact were relieved that she had put her trust in

761
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: someone with zero political aspirations. He did not try to

762
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: use that position to gain power for himself for members

763
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: of his family. Nothing like that. Interesting, More often than not,

764
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: when she was faced with a tough political issue, she

765
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't turn to Brown at all. She would turn to

766
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: her favorite Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, who on his deathbed

767
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty one quipped that no one should send

768
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: for the queen quote. She would only ask me to

769
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: take a message to Albert. Oh wow, which it's just

770
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: because a funny.

771
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I love that they knew back then that she was

772
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: just never stop talking about it. No.

773
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: Well, and I would also like to say that that's

774
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: not the only say on so she had. She also

775
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: had seances with different mediums to talk to children of

776
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: hers that had.

777
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: Departed kidding her.

778
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: So she had several She was really into this, Okay,

779
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: she was into it, and again it was well known.

780
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: Disraeli's like, I don't want to talk to anyone's ghost.

781
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: M So there's a lot of reasons why people kind

782
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: of dismissed this idea. They were just like, he was

783
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: just a really good friend.

784
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: The Oxford Dictionary of Biography likens John Brown basically a

785
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: court gesture of old right. For Victoria, the loss of

786
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: Albert was also the loss of the one man on

787
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: earth who could tell her about herself. And without him,

788
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: she was surrounded by courtiers. Even her children were her subjects.

789
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: They were all too terrified to talk to her like

790
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: a person. When Albert died, Victoria even said, quote, who

791
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: will call me Victoria?

792
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: Now that's such a melancholy line. I don't know, it

793
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: made me sad to read that.

794
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Brown's gruffness, his willingness to speak his mind

795
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: to her, and his lack of interest in political power

796
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: is pretty much exactly what she valued. When she asked

797
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: Alfred Tennyson to write lines for John Brown's tombstone, she

798
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: wrote about him, quote he had no thought but for me,

799
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: my welfare, my comfort, my safety, my happiness. Courageous, unselfish,

800
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: totally disinterested, discreet to the highest degree, speaking truth fearlessly

801
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: and telling me what he thought and considered to be

802
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: just and right, without flattery, and without saying what would

803
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: be pleasing if he did not think it right. The

804
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: comfort of my daily life is gone. The void is terrible,

805
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: the loss is irreparable.

806
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about it, really, what

807
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: she really liked about him?

808
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know she was.

809
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: She liked sex. We know that about Victory, so you know,

810
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: maybe she did find herself some comfort somewhere.

811
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: She liked sex with Albert. We know that with Albert.

812
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't see I don't remember seeing any

813
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: journal entries about anybody else she was banging. She wrote

814
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot, so maybe she tried and it was just

815
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: like some things, no one can replace Albert on.

816
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: I'd rather sleep with my plaster cast his hand.

817
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh, Albert's plaster cast is a more generous lover than

818
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: you'll ever be. John Brown.

819
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Damn.

820
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: I feel like John Brown doesn't sound like a generous

821
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: lover to me.

822
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: He does not, He does not. There is a little

823
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: story where her doctor James reed once like happened upon

824
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: the Queen and John Brown together, okay, and he don't

825
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: know what they're joking about. The only two lines her

826
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: we know is that John Brown lifted his kilt to

827
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: show his knee and said is it here? And Queen

828
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: Victoria lifted her skirt and said, no, it is here.

829
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: So they're like, there's something going on there because it's

830
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: very unusual in Victorian times to show your limb to

831
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: a man that was very I may as well have

832
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: popped a boob out at him or something. So the

833
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: doctor clearly saw it as strange enough that he had

834
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: to write it down in his diary. That's the reason

835
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: we know about that story.

836
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Well, it was the old two knees.

837
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: Joke, the old the old two knees flirting.

838
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Which, uh, which nie is? Yeah? Which knee am I gonna? Well,

839
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what the old two knees joke is. Well,

840
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: I guess that's it.

841
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: We don't know. Setup no punchline, but the worst kind

842
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: of joke. But I kind of think I don't know.

843
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: It's it's just very funny because she's such an interesting character. Victoria.

844
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: She liked Benjamin Disraeli because he flattered her a lot.

845
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: He even had a joke about like laying it all

846
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: with a trowel or something like that. But then she

847
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: likes John Brown because he doesn't. So she clearly just

848
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: needs different things from different people. She likes having some

849
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: guy around her that does not cow tow sure, and

850
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: she liked having somebody who I don't know it wasn't

851
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: afraid of being fired or beheaded or something by her,

852
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, who could talk to her like a regular

853
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: person to be a friend.

854
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that the real power of being a

855
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: queen too? Is Like I obviously people's default mode is

856
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: going to be towards subservience and doing whatever they think

857
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: makes you happy. But you can also get a couple

858
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: of people to say you kind of have control over that.

859
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't have control over that. Like people are going

860
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: to do one or the other around me. I got

861
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: nothing to say about it, And usually it's the latter.

862
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Usually it's people telling me to my face what's wrong

863
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: with everything I'm doing? Present company included.

864
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know what you mean. I've never spoken

865
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: a word of criticism, so.

866
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: You know, it just another benefit of that royal life,

867
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: I guess right.

868
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: And the drawback though, because I think, you know, everyone

869
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: talking to her wanted something. Yeah, and so she's like,

870
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: I like this guy, I don't want nothing from me.

871
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: He just wants to do what he's doing.

872
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: But how many of those how many those people were

873
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: offered up to her that she dismissed or or punished.

874
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: I do wonder that, you know, because at the same time,

875
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: it's she she wants everybody to tell her what she

876
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: you know, she wants people to reveal with her until

877
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't one day and is like, how dare you

878
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: speak like that? I'm the queen.

879
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, and she's the reason her kids were kind of

880
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: afraid of her too, she was. She never let them

881
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: forget that she was the queen and not just their mother,

882
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: so that, you know, there she had a little bit

883
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: to you know, she had responsibility for that for sure.

884
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: But but yeah, and I do wonder sometimes, just with

885
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: knowing about the Kensington system, how much because she's she

886
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: was a decisive person. Oh no, I'm not trying to

887
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: take away her agency here as a queen. She made decisions.

888
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: She was not just handing off her power right and

889
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: left to different men.

890
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Or anything.

891
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: But I do wonder how much she second guessed herself

892
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: just because of growing up with people being like you

893
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: should be second guessing yourself at all times. Not only

894
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: does she have that coordinated campaign to make her like that,

895
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: but she also was already growing up in a time

896
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: where it's like women aren't really that smart, women don't

897
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: really know what to do, women don't know how life.

898
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: You can't do life, and you know what I mean.

899
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: So it's just like you have from so many different

900
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: sides this feeling of am I should I? Am I

901
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: really the right person to be doing this? Should I not?

902
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So anyway, I just feel

903
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: like she must have had a lot of conflicting, a

904
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: lot of mixed emotions around that sort of thing. Yeah,

905
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: where she's like, I need my respect that I deserve

906
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: and if you don't show it, I have to you know,

907
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: I'd be like fuck you.

908
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

909
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: But also I wish I had a friend who could

910
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: just josh around with me about my knees.

911
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: But two knees joke, Oh, nobody's done two knees with

912
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: me since Albert's played two.

913
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: Knees with me now, So you know, I don't know

914
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: do you think she was fucking John Brown?

915
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: Do I think she was? On this?

916
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Based on this evidence, I'll.

917
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Say, I don't know. It kind of feels like it

918
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: because it's sort of she's got like a in a

919
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: sexual sense, she's got subvibes to me, like a submissive,

920
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: like she likes having a daddy and uh, you know,

921
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: and like somebody is sort of like the more dominant

922
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: hand plaster or flesh, whichever it may be. And again,

923
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: that might come back from social conditioning, whether that was

924
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: her upbringing or just like you said, women of the

925
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: time or whatever. But she seemed to kind of maybe

926
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe take some pleasure in someone who kind of stood

927
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: up to her. I might have been thrilling. You see

928
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: that a lot with people who are I'm not saying

929
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: you see it a lot, but the general idea is

930
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: that people in high level, powerful positions in the bedroom

931
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: are willing to hand that power over to someone else.

932
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to not make decisions for a minute,

933
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: and they want to be told to do and.

934
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not even just in the bedroom, it might even

935
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: be in their relationship. You know, it's like I go

936
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: home and that the other person's in charge. Yeah, I'm

937
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: in charge all day. So she to me their dynamic Carson.

938
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: John Brown's feels like that, like he's like, hey, you

939
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: do what I say. I call you woman, I do

940
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: what I want around you. You know? Was she like

941
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: did that kind of turn her on a little bit?

942
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: Maybe?

943
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe no, no telling.

944
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: I gotta wonder too if she's just like one person

945
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: has to love me, specially just me and have my

946
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: welfare at heart. I'm their main concern because she had

947
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: Louise her governess. Then she went to Albert, then she

948
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: went to John Brown. You know, she only has the

949
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: one person kind of as a confidant. Everybody else is

950
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 2: like everybody else. Yeah, So I wonder too if she's

951
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: like not capable of having two confidants at once, like

952
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: she doesn't believe you know what I mean. I don't

953
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: know if that's just a pattern she got into.

954
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: Also did we kind of brought up earlier, but like

955
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: did John Brown ever say, oh, Albert wants to have

956
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: sex with you, Victoria, so through me, right, he would

957
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: like to And of course that's like kind of tantamount

958
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: to rape, right, I mean, like I'm giving you the

959
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: false yeah, pretext, I'm taking advantage of your frash and

960
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: emotional state to have second you. That's pretty twisted, right

961
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Did John Brown do that? I don't know. He's certainly

962
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: I know he didn't use it to get political power.

963
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: But if he's not communicating with the ghost of Prince Albert,

964
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: and personally I don't think he was, then he was

965
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: using it for something. I mean, whether it was just

966
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: a comfy bedroom to sleep in at night, or you know,

967
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: getting laid by the Queen. I don't know, maybe I mean.

968
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: But also you have to keep in mind there's a

969
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: different feeling in the UK about your queen. You know,

970
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: there are plenty of people who are like it would

971
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: be the honor of my life, a privilege of my

972
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: life to be a close person to the Queen. I

973
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: would like nothing more than to help them. And if

974
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: he really did dedicate himself to her interests like that,

975
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: he might have been like, whatever it makes her feel better.

976
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: I'll pretend to be Albert and I'll say whatever you

977
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: think is right is what you should do.

978
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: But you can let me smoke around you.

979
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: But I want to smoke.

980
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. The fact that he

981
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: called her woman doesn't make me feel like he had

982
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: all this reverence for the position of the queen. I

983
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know.

984
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: I can't decide myself because I'm like part of me

985
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: is like I don't believe it because she was just

986
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: so so in love with Albert, and she was in

987
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: love with him her whole life. She never stopped loving him,

988
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: so I'm like she never really considered herself open to

989
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: love someone else. I don't know if that means she

990
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: said no one can have sex with me again, but

991
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: it seems to be really tied up. Sex and love

992
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: were very tied up for her, so I would be surprised.

993
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: I think.

994
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: But if you found some real, real evidence of it,

995
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: and I could see her being very lonely and wanting

996
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: a friend and saying, you can call me whatever, I

997
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: don't care. Because he had been Albert's friend too, so

998
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: he knew Albert. He could talk to her about Albert.

999
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, my I think where I'm landing is

1000
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: that I think that combined her talking about him after

1001
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: he died, her grief and despair after John Brown died

1002
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: being the only thing that ever matched Albert's death, and

1003
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: her being so in love with Albert and thinking that

1004
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: John Brown was a conduit for him. I think I

1005
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: think they were.

1006
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: Doing they were doing it. I think I do fa

1007
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: but fair enough, it could be.

1008
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: There's only one way to know for sure, and that's

1009
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: define that's to have a seance.

1010
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: Prince Albert, if you're here, well, speaking of the seances,

1011
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean we we did hear some pretty gnarly stuff.

1012
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: They knew the courtier's names and he was speaking.

1013
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: With his voice.

1014
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we I mean, we can't know how real

1015
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: these stances are. We were not there. I think there

1016
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 2: are some people who do seem to have a knack

1017
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: with you contacting uncanny or having some kind of experience,

1018
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to tell them they weren't having

1019
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: an experience. But it must be said that, of course,

1020
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: there were tons of ways to fool people in Victoria's time,

1021
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: and people, oh, we're doing it. It's a very lucrative scam.

1022
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: When people want to believe something, it's a lot easier

1023
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: to convince them that it's happening, very true.

1024
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: And we're time at desperate, sad people that they were

1025
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: praying on, so pretty fucked up. Predatory mediums would do

1026
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: a lot of crazy things to convince. For example, they

1027
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: would regularly hire actors and ventriloquists so they could make

1028
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: voices and whispers you know, sound around the room during

1029
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: a seyon.

1030
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: They would also use invisible ink, right, so all the

1031
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: medium would have to do is get some water sprinkled

1032
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: over a piece of paper, and then a message would appear.

1033
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 2: As if it was being written.

1034
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1035
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: Chimney sweeps were paid to hang out in chimneys and

1036
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: wrap on the flu in response to question so once

1037
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: for yes, twice for no, and there's just a little

1038
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: seven year old up there or whatever.

1039
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of into this one too. They would make

1040
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: candles that included the deceased perfume or cologne, so when

1041
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: they would like them, the breeze would come in and

1042
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: be like, it smells like my late husband didn't here.

1043
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean that would be very convincing if

1044
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: you had a waft of your wife's perfume or something,

1045
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Of course, fake ectoplasm is easily made

1046
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: with normal household things like flower water and corn starch,

1047
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: so not a hard thing to fake that out.

1048
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure. I'm often making pizza at night and

1049
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: be like, who got ectoplasm all over the counter. They

1050
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: even Obviously, photography was pretty new. Nobody really understood how

1051
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: photographs worked very well back then, so the people who

1052
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: did could make spirit photos by overlaying underdeveloped portraits that

1053
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: would make it seem like there was this ghostly figure

1054
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: captured in there. I mean, I can't even see a

1055
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: real photo that I took myself without thinking I photoshot ai.

1056
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: That's fake.

1057
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: But of course photography at the time, Yeah, that was

1058
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: the only way to capture the truth. If you saw

1059
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: a ghostly figure, it must have been there, you know.

1060
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: So lots of lots of ways to mess with people.

1061
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: And I do think it's really funny that they would

1062
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: go into a cabinet.

1063
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: This is what that's the one that really got made.

1064
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch you, thank you very much.

1065
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Turn around. I will speak to the medium.

1066
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: I have invisibility powers, but only when you so yeah,

1067
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, And of course we've all seen a million

1068
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: of these types of fakers, right. It's it's Victoria's fascination

1069
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: with spiritualism was so so well known that it's possible

1070
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: that whoever Robert James Lee's and whoever he was working

1071
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: with for these seances deliberately said, let's get a message

1072
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: from Albert, because then the queen will notice us. And

1073
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: then they might have said, oh, well, let's make sure

1074
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: we know if she's she's gonna send somebody to see

1075
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: how really you are. Let's make sure we know who

1076
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: they are, and when they come in, uh, Hans. They

1077
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: might have had somebody in the court, you know, leaking

1078
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: information center. They would have some private details. It's not

1079
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: hard to imagine how you could hoax that she send

1080
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: in Gerald and Philip and then make sure he says

1081
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: something about how glad he is. She still has his

1082
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: hand the night. That's good to comfort. She'll know what

1083
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: it means.

1084
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1085
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: And you know, of course Lee's might have been like

1086
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: a good impressionist. See, and they must have heard Albert talk, yeah,

1087
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: before I give a speech or something, so they could

1088
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: fake up his voice somehow or something like that. Okay,

1089
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: but you know, it is also possible that the veil

1090
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: between living and dead is thinner than we think, especially

1091
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: in spooky season. Could be true that's something of our souls,

1092
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: our consciousness can imprint itself on the world and leave

1093
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: itself behind. It could be true that there's something.

1094
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: With us right now, Oh spooky, okay, all right, a

1095
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: royal seance for a dead prince ghost ghosts? Okay?

1096
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: Now, my my other question is if there really is

1097
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: a ghost of Prince Albert hanging out? Are he and

1098
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: Victoria hanging out? Or is he like lonely because no

1099
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: one talks to him anymore?

1100
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: I hope that if because Queen Victoria's a ghosts now too.

1101
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: In that case, they're they're they're doing it in the

1102
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: beyond and leave an ecoplasm all over.

1103
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: She tossed away that plaster hand was like, finally, I

1104
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: don't need this.

1105
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: Anymore, give me some spirit fingers.

1106
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's the spookiest image of all. Well, I

1107
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: like it. I don't know. I would love to see

1108
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: Lee's setting up this ghost heist basically, you know. Also

1109
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: insane to me that if they did, if they were

1110
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: like Queen Victoria, she's into spiritualism, Let's see if we

1111
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: can nab her. Like, if you're running a con operation

1112
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: of spiritualism and ghosts, you're going to go for a

1113
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: fish that big. That's that's ballsy, it is because that

1114
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: is drawing a lot of attention to yourself. And you know,

1115
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: fortunately she bought it. But to me, that's like, that's

1116
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: like we're gonna rob the Bellagio. You know. That's the

1117
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: big score that a lot of people have been like,

1118
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: why would you put yourself in that danger? I'm perfectly

1119
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: happy going after the First National Bank. A couple of times.

1120
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: This guy was like, I'm made for life though as

1121
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: a medium. I mean you must think that. Yeah, and

1122
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: especially because male mediums were less popular, maybe he was like,

1123
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: I really need to stand out. If I do some

1124
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: seances at Buckingham Palace, I mean, I'll be in demand.

1125
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: He told his crew this one last score and then

1126
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: we're out.

1127
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: We'll be sipping martini's in Malibu.

1128
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: What's a martini?

1129
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the better question. Okay, all right, well here's

1130
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: my question to you. Then?

1131
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: What's that?

1132
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: Uh? Who? What historical figure would you seance with? Mmmm?

1133
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: That I would most want to call to me? Questions?

1134
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get one, you have one little sciance. It's

1135
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: it's the classic like who would you have lunch with?

1136
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: But they're they're actually.

1137
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: Dead right and they can only speak in caps and

1138
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: wraps or some shit.

1139
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: You taps and raps or through a medium conduit. Okay, listeners,

1140
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: I want you to email us your answers as well.

1141
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we'd love to know who would I saance with? Hmmm, God,

1142
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: this is tough. So many people.

1143
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing in your mind too well.

1144
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: It could be this, but then what about that?

1145
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: But then if I didn't do that, I'd be like,

1146
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: what would I rather stay on with someone who could

1147
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: tell me more about myself and my family history, or

1148
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: somebody you know, way from the past, or somebody who

1149
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: might have the key to a long held mystery or

1150
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: cold case or something that would be pretty cool to

1151
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: be able to find out.

1152
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's just got some good stories, you know, right.

1153
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: That's really what I'm like, honestly, would rather just be like,

1154
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: tell me, you know about, I don't know, some cool

1155
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: party you went to and all the people that were there.

1156
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Twain, Yeah, might be really fun.

1157
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: I think about Oscar Wilde. I think he would be

1158
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: sure tell me everybody he was really talking about when

1159
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: he wrote the Importance of being arnestor or whatever. That's

1160
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: what I don't know. I feel like some part of

1161
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 2: me would be like, I'd rather talk to my dad's mom,

1162
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: who died when I was ten. I would love to

1163
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: know more about her life and like, you know, give

1164
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: me some of the dirt you know from your life

1165
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: and your family and stuff, because we don't only know

1166
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: much about it.

1167
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we only got your son's version, I know.

1168
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: Right, and he only got you know, probably your highly

1169
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: edited version because he's your son to tell him everything.

1170
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: So I need to know the truth. I want to

1171
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: know what really is going on with her, why she

1172
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: left Edinburgh, what's you know? All that stuff? So I

1173
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: don't know. That would be really fun, but it would

1174
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: also be really cool to be like, hey, Governor Morris,

1175
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: tell me about the founding of America. Yeah, true, and

1176
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: all your fun house parties and stuff. Who would you do?

1177
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: Who would you talk to?

1178
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: I think I would talk to right now. I just

1179
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: want to go to John Brown and be like, what

1180
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: was Scott? I'm your answers here, buddy, were you guys

1181
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: doing it or not?

1182
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: There you go.

1183
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: That's just because it's on my mind. I know, I

1184
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Mostly I just want to hear what you

1185
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: all think. Tell me about your spiritual seances, tell us,

1186
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: tell us if you've had one, because I'll tell you.

1187
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: And here's another question for you. Have you had communication

1188
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: with the other side, Yes, I.

1189
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Would love to know that. What about you have I No,

1190
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 2: I have not, and I have been to a stay.

1191
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: We have actually conducted one ye and I was not

1192
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: a believer. I wasn't by the end either, but a

1193
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: lot of people that were there felt said that they

1194
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: felt things.

1195
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: Well, especially the person I was oijiing with that Ouigi

1196
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: was going nuts and she straight out told me half

1197
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: an hour later, oh yeah, I was moving that all

1198
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: over the place, and she is a believer. So I

1199
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: don't understand why that was what was happening there. But

1200
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: I did see a spooky, spooky spirit when I was

1201
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: a kid in my house, and others had claimed to

1202
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: see it as well, a young girl standing at the

1203
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: top of our basement stairs.

1204
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: So that was I do remember that.

1205
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: Robbiie one that stuck with me. And then I think

1206
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: I have told this story about when I when the

1207
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: the children's book that played sounds was going off in

1208
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and I thought it was

1209
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: a train. But what I remember in my as I

1210
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: was waking up was pushing the b and on a

1211
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: like like reaching up and pushing some sort of button,

1212
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: which after I knew that it was a book of sounds.

1213
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it was that book

1214
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: like floating over my head and I pushed the button.

1215
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: Oh creepy.

1216
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: And then also I distinctly remember once as a kid

1217
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: looking up at the ceiling and the shadows from my

1218
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: lamp like turned into a face, like an animated face

1219
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: that was talking.

1220
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: Whoa that.

1221
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one.

1222
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: That's very creepy. Yeah, yeah, and I haven't had anything

1223
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: like that.

1224
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1225
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should be happy or not.

1226
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: I just honestly don't recommend it. All those memories have

1227
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: stuck with me, and not in a positive way. I mean,

1228
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: they're cool stories, you know, but but I got other stories.

1229
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: The principle of my high school told us once she

1230
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: was a very pragmatic person, not a believer in magic,

1231
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: but she said she she experienced someone with telekinesis once

1232
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: she watched her move a lamp from one side of

1233
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: the room to the other with the moving just with

1234
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: their eyes or something.

1235
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: That's what I don't believe, because I have been trying

1236
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: so hard to move stuff with my mind. If you

1237
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: see me and I'm not actively engaged in conversation, I'm

1238
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: probably trying to move things around my mind.

1239
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: My only thought is that what if it's harder to

1240
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: move with your mind than with your body, so you'd

1241
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: just be like, I'd rather just fucking pick up the lamp.

1242
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: It gives me stuck a headache.

1243
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I thought that if I if, like the power is

1244
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: that you can teleport, but it takes as long as

1245
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 1: it would for you to walk, Oh, would you still

1246
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: do it?

1247
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 2: Would you bother?

1248
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I mean yes, I wouldn't have to walk.

1249
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: The thing is that I don't have to walk. I

1250
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: guess the question would be if it takes as long

1251
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: as a flight though, Like if you if you could

1252
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: teleport from here to Europe, but it took as long

1253
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: as a flight as a flight, absolute, would you still teleport?

1254
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: Why? Yeah? Why wouldn't I obviously deal with the airport anybody?

1255
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: My question is if it took you as long as

1256
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: it took to walk, so it would take you for

1257
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, whatever weeks probably to get to Europe,

1258
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: would you fly or would you still teleport? Probably? Fly?

1259
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. My time's not that valuable. Wow. If

1260
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with the airport, I don't

1261
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: have to get on a plane. If I don't have

1262
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: to get up to it. Rather, look, I've often said

1263
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: that with superpowers, I would be the laziest super person.

1264
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 1: I won't even say superhero of all time. I would

1265
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: be a real fat Spider Man because I'd be just

1266
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: getting I'd just be web slinging Dorito's from the cabinet

1267
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: to my to my lap, and that that'd be the

1268
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: long and short of my Spider powers.

1269
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: No, that is that is a that is a stone

1270
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: left unturned by a lot of these right superhero shows,

1271
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: Because I know we complained about this about the Flash

1272
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: on c W is that anybody who got powers besides

1273
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: the Flash was the bad guy to immediately be evil,

1274
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: And we were like, where are all the people that

1275
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: would get powers and literally do nothing not change their

1276
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: life very significantly. They would just like, oh now I

1277
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: don't have to get up out of my bed to

1278
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: turn on the line.

1279
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: Right, It'd probably be like, oh, I can control the weather. Great,

1280
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: it's rain today and I want to go outside, so

1281
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it not rain, or like I don't

1282
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: feel like going anywhere today, so I'm gonna do a

1283
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: little thunderstorm and read a book. Yeah, that's probably most

1284
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: people have six steps.

1285
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: Right, would be like I'm going to make sure it

1286
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: rains on my ex's wedding day or something.

1287
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to be maybe little, yeah,

1288
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: little scampy stuff like that, but not like I'm going

1289
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: to craft a tornado so I can rob a bank.

1290
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, how many people really want to do

1291
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: all that? There's a lot of effort, is what I'm saying,

1292
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't like to put in

1293
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: a lot of efforts.

1294
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: Well, and I would argue that for most people, not

1295
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: being able to form a tornado at will is not

1296
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 1: the thing stopping them from robbing a bank. It's not

1297
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Speaker 1: the only thing, man, It's the only thing holding me

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Speaker 1: back from robbing that bank. But I'll tell you, if

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Speaker 1: I could create a tornado with my hands, it's sober

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Speaker 1: for you, It's sober.

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Speaker 2: For all, y'all. I'll be up in that first national.

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Speaker 1: Right the bellagio.

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Speaker 2: Oh y'all, we get robbed. What does a tornado play

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Speaker 2: into this heist? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: You know, tornado comes through the roof, it's in the vault,

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Speaker 1: sucks up money, tornado.

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Speaker 2: Tunnel it up. Okay, well then now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Now I feel like if you can make a tornado.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of weirdo. E is not as much as

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Speaker 2: I expected.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm switching my exercises in telekinesis to now

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Speaker 1: tornado creation.

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Speaker 2: So that we can rob banks.

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Speaker 1: So we can rob thanks. What a life?

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Speaker 2: Well anyway, Austin. Sensibly this episode was about Queen victorious somewhere,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully you enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun for us to talk

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Speaker 1: about a lot of a lot of sauce on that. Hopefully, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: You do reach out and tell us about your spooky

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Speaker 2: experience or whom you would want to talk to if

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Speaker 2: you were able to contact them in a stay on

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Speaker 2: with you know, a legit Robert James, Lee's or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You can reach us through email. It's ridict Romance at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's right, or we're on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm at O Grade, It's Eli, I'm at Dianamite Boom,

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Speaker 2: and the show is at pridic Romance.

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Speaker 1: Anna.

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Speaker 2: We love you. We can't wait to contact more people

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Speaker 2: from the beyond. Yes, back to another episode crypt Roma.

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Speaker 1: So long friends time would we write again allos with

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