Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 4: Weddings are expensive, and we had one in the last episode,
Speaker 4: so this was definitely like a paired down episode. It
Speaker 4: was a yeah, it's a quiet, little, easy breezy episode. Huh.
Speaker 2: Was I bored or because we have less of an
Speaker 2: attention span now because the you know what's put out now,
Speaker 2: the content that's out is always so fast paced to
Speaker 2: keep up with everybody's short attention span? Or was it
Speaker 2: just a boring episode.
Speaker 4: All saying things that we've already said ten million times.
Speaker 4: I like when we do just two on two scenes
Speaker 4: because it's theater fun. And I thought there were some
Speaker 4: great nuggets in this.
Speaker 2: There were. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the device of how the montages. It sort
Speaker 3: of felt like we were doing these merry ground scenes.
Speaker 3: I liked that one scene would bleed right into the next,
Speaker 3: and everyone was sort of confronting these ideas of what
Speaker 3: you want and who have you been and where do
Speaker 3: you think you're going? All these sort of beautiful themes.
Speaker 3: Love that, but it did feel slow and clunky. And Hillary,
Speaker 3: you did a great service to our show and to
Speaker 3: Peyton Sawyer doing what you did in this episode. You
Speaker 3: are a good person and an even better actor.
Speaker 4: Right right, Well, here's the thing. I'm a lot older
Speaker 4: right now, bit as petty as I was in my
Speaker 4: early twenties, and I just it's hard to look back
Speaker 4: at yourself and be like, hey, kid, you were juggling
Speaker 4: a lot in this situation, and uh and you said
Speaker 4: your lines and you hit your marks. Good job. You know.
Speaker 4: We'd seen some fan comments before we watch this where
Speaker 4: they were like, oh god, they're gonna hate this one.
Speaker 3: Thank god they've warned us.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, I know. If anybody hasn't seen this episode,
Speaker 4: let's tell them what it was?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 4: Season five, episode thirteen. What do we got?
Speaker 3: Echoes? Silence, patience, and grace because apparently so many echoes
Speaker 3: and apparently grace is all we talk about on the show. Anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of regurgitated dialogue. Yeah, give them this synopsis, Okay.
Speaker 2: Lucas picks up the pieces after being left at the
Speaker 2: altar by Lindsay, Nathan and Hayley deal with the repercussions
Speaker 2: of Jamie's abduction. Brooke is haunted by her past as
Speaker 2: she considers adopting, and Peyton is visited by an old friend.
Speaker 4: Wait as the get Bork is haunted by her past.
Speaker 4: She's twenty two.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, her high school pass. There's yeah, so much
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 4: How do we break this one down? Because it was
Speaker 4: a merry go round and and I'll say I like
Speaker 4: the merry go Round device, Yeah for a lot an act,
Speaker 4: maybe two acts, but I kept waiting for us to
Speaker 4: get off the ride and like actually get into what
Speaker 4: was going on.
Speaker 2: It was so introspective.
Speaker 3: A couple of loops would have been good. And by
Speaker 3: act three I was like, well, no, I just have
Speaker 3: motion sickness. We're just we're still doing this, We're still
Speaker 3: spinning around. Okay, very are you know?
Speaker 4: We could perform this as a stage show on one
Speaker 4: of those like rotating stages like Ley miss using.
Speaker 3: Like Hamilton, do you walk in one direction and the
Speaker 3: stage skins.
Speaker 4: Everybody's picking up the last line of the last person
Speaker 4: seeing the first line and the next scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very carefully crafted. It definitely felt to
Speaker 2: me it felt overwritten, and it felt like kind of
Speaker 2: it kind of felt masturbatory, like you just like the
Speaker 2: writer just sitting there, just here's all my pros and
Speaker 2: let me just find all the ways to say things that.
Speaker 2: It was just very like, all right, already, can we
Speaker 2: like we get it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 4: I thought we all looked good though we looked good.
Speaker 3: We did. Yeah, I mean my haircut was a crime,
Speaker 3: but I will be clear. We copied Victoria Beckham's bob
Speaker 3: that year. So it was a moment in fashion history. Yes,
Speaker 3: it just has aged so poorly. And y'all I have
Speaker 3: such a big skull, like I'm not meant to have
Speaker 3: short tight hair like that.
Speaker 4: I'm just not tight air.
Speaker 3: It's not good.
Speaker 4: I like that little suit vest get up that you
Speaker 4: wore when you picked Jamie up. I was like, she's professional.
Speaker 4: What doesn't this woman seeing her?
Speaker 3: I've just dressed up in a soup for my interview
Speaker 3: that my mother tanked.
Speaker 2: This whole thing was so bizarre to me, I mean,
Speaker 2: let's just start talking about that part, because Okay, I
Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't got I actually have looked
Speaker 2: into adoption at times in my life, and I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten that far into the process where I'm sitting down
Speaker 2: one on one with somebody, But I am The one
Speaker 2: thing that seems to be the real barrier for most
Speaker 2: families with adoption is money. And I get that it
Speaker 2: was fifty thirteen years ago. I don't ask me to
Speaker 2: do math, but I get it was a while ago.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. There's just so many kids out
Speaker 2: there that need homes. I really have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing that anyone would judge someone's pick apart someone's.
Speaker 4: High school history, school, high school boyfriends is my favorite question.
Speaker 4: It's so absurd.
Speaker 2: It's so absurd, And to look at this incredibly successful,
Speaker 2: driven woman and then decide to not recommend her to
Speaker 2: have a child simply because she's questioning the motive, Like
Speaker 2: there's no history in Brook's life that would say that, oh,
Speaker 2: she just has a whim and then walks away from it.
Speaker 2: That's not who Brooke is at all. Like she started
Speaker 2: a company and was followed through with it. Her friendships
Speaker 2: she stayed and followed through in spite of difficulties. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's just so much I don't know. I didn't buy it.
Speaker 2: I didn't buy it.
Speaker 3: I didn't buy it either. The pettiness of that woman
Speaker 3: being like, didn't you date that boy and didn't your
Speaker 3: friend maybe your heart broken over his failed wedding too,
Speaker 3: and you decided you need a baby? Like what it was?
Speaker 3: So like mustache Spinny, there.
Speaker 2: Would have been some action in this episode at least
Speaker 2: if you had just flat out bust it out, laughing
Speaker 2: at her, just.
Speaker 3: Like I'm so sorry, what's happening? Is this happening?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like insanity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I learned a lot about adoption from Willie Garson because
Speaker 4: he adopted his son right at the same time that
Speaker 4: I gave birth to Gus, and when we met, we
Speaker 4: were like, you know, new parents together. And he adopted
Speaker 4: his son when Nathan was like seven eight years old,
Speaker 4: so he was an older kid but still very young,
Speaker 4: and Willie before he met anybody. You have to do
Speaker 4: a series of classes, yeah, right, And there's you know,
Speaker 4: night classes you have to take and social workers teach
Speaker 4: you how to do stuff, and it's a pretty extensive
Speaker 4: process you go through before you get to this phase
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, you shoplifted in high school.
Speaker 4: I don't think you're ready for this because they are
Speaker 4: trying to judge you by who you are now, you know,
Speaker 4: and like how stable you are and do you show
Speaker 4: up every week and all of that.
Speaker 2: Who did you turn into in spite of having parents
Speaker 2: that were a complete disaster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been great to see Brooke do
Speaker 4: that kind of training and really, you know, really get
Speaker 4: into what that exploratory process is as opposed to this,
Speaker 4: I don't know what are they do things interview people
Speaker 4: should bring a clipboard, you know, they're just definitely guessing
Speaker 4: here well.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that drives me insane about
Speaker 3: all of this as well is like people when I
Speaker 3: think about my friends, you know, who've adopted, and like
Speaker 3: two of my best friends adopted both of their kids
Speaker 3: through the foster care system. What they have gone through
Speaker 3: as dad's the way they have advocated for their children,
Speaker 3: like what it takes to go out and give a
Speaker 3: home to a child, the amount of work, Like even
Speaker 3: the fact that we didn't address like Brooke could have
Speaker 3: gone and gotten a donor, she could have gone out
Speaker 3: with the explicit desire to like get pregnant and be
Speaker 3: a mom. You know, she has sat here and said,
Speaker 3: I want to adopt. I want to give a home
Speaker 3: to a kid who doesn't have the life they deserve,
Speaker 3: who has been given up for what ever circumstance, and
Speaker 3: provide a child with a better life than I have, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, as a single woman, to make that choice
Speaker 3: is such a signal of like effort and seriousness. To me,
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when we see these lunatics in
Speaker 3: some of the states in our nation trying to stop
Speaker 3: gay parents from adopting, I'm like, no kid has ever
Speaker 3: been more wanted or advocated for, like stop enough, you know.
Speaker 3: Any So many people go out and like who get
Speaker 3: pregnant and whoopsie accident, like and it bothers me that
Speaker 3: that we leaned into like shaming this woman, but we
Speaker 3: didn't talk at all about what it means to make
Speaker 3: that decision, the effort you're willing to make, the advocacy
Speaker 3: of that to your point about really adopting becomes a
Speaker 3: part of your life, Like you have to jo life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have to jump through hoops to adopt a child
Speaker 3: that you simply don't if you, you know, go out.
Speaker 4: And if you get knocked up. Yeahah, And I like,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to judge anybody, like look by the way,
Speaker 3: like I have so many friends who struggled through fertility,
Speaker 3: Like becoming a parent is hard for a lot of
Speaker 3: people a lot of the time. Yeah, but there's also
Speaker 3: you know what Brooke says, like nobody made my mom
Speaker 3: get interviewed, nobody made her take a class like should have,
Speaker 3: and it it feels like such a missed opportunity here,
Speaker 3: And I don't know, like having so many friends who've
Speaker 3: been through it, and you know who in our country
Speaker 3: and countries around the world, like Italy with that fascist
Speaker 3: woman who's taking lesbian moms off their birth certificates of
Speaker 3: their children. Like I'm so angry about the way like
Speaker 3: modern families and adoptive parents get treated. And I forgot
Speaker 3: that Brooke got shamed in this episode by the adoption woman.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh my lord, She's like, are you
Speaker 4: gonna get married?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna get married? Do you do you drink?
Speaker 2: Do you date?
Speaker 3: You dated boys in high school?
Speaker 2: Like what you're into a bartender? Now? Does he drink?
Speaker 3: He makes drinks like owen sober, Like.
Speaker 2: You took care of an addict? How dare you?
Speaker 3: You didn't turn your back on some way he was
Speaker 3: struggling monster. Oh it just like fires me up and
Speaker 3: makes me so upset.
Speaker 4: It just means they didn't google adoption process. No one
Speaker 4: googled it. Heyes, jeeved it. Whatever the we were doing
Speaker 4: back then, Like it's so easy. Did you just say
Speaker 4: ask jeeved it? The children won't know what that means.
Speaker 3: Say, well, know what that means. But it was cool
Speaker 3: back then.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember where this goes, because was it?
Speaker 2: There was something about this actress though, because she I
Speaker 2: really liked her. I really liked that. She wasn't mean
Speaker 2: or bitchy or snooty or I mean, she was very warm.
Speaker 3: She dis got such a good actress.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's such a such a a warmth and
Speaker 2: openness about her. And when she left after Brooke gives
Speaker 2: the big speech, I remember feeling like, I think this
Speaker 2: whole thing was a test so that she could see
Speaker 2: how far Brook would fight for what she wants. Do
Speaker 2: we remember if that's where it's going, I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember, but I will say when we had that confrontation,
Speaker 3: and I got to deliver the I Am one in
Speaker 3: a million speech. Yeah, watching it today, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I see it. Something's turning for her, Like it's gonna change. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how quickly Angie comes into the picture,
Speaker 3: but I know that I foster that little girl with
Speaker 3: this terrible haircut. So, for whatever that's worth it, I
Speaker 3: hate that haircut so much.
Speaker 4: It's your mom haircut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to look older and responsible. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought Judith played it so beautifully. I just I think again.
Speaker 3: You know, this was the writer's strike back then. These
Speaker 3: scripts were turned in and then they were never edited.
Speaker 3: It's so clunky, it's so intense. It wasn't researched, it
Speaker 3: wasn't based in any sort of a reality. Yeah, she
Speaker 3: made a whole meal with what was barely an appetizer
Speaker 3: on the page for her. So then hats off to her,
Speaker 3: but oh yeah, it just like, oh it makes me
Speaker 3: so mad.
Speaker 4: I like this idea that you mentioned a little bit of,
Speaker 4: you know, Brooke a kid who came from a no
Speaker 4: parent home, that little thing of like, did you come
Speaker 4: from a single parent home? I came from a no.
Speaker 2: Parent, no parent home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this idea that Brooke wants to find another child
Speaker 4: with a no parent home and provide that. You know,
Speaker 4: I think as we get older, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: mother work that is done in therapy and things like that,
Speaker 4: and I have found I didn't realize that not everyone
Speaker 4: on the planet wants to be a mom like their
Speaker 4: whole life. Because I did. I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: five six years old, like sleeping with baby dolls, like
Speaker 4: these are my children? Yeah? And then when I met
Speaker 4: people that were like, no, I'm good man, I was like, oh, wow, cool.
Speaker 4: And I have a daughter who has zero interest in
Speaker 4: being a parent. She is I'm like, do you want
Speaker 4: a baby doll? She's like, that's disgusting, And in my mind,
Speaker 4: in my mind, I'm like, it's because it's because I
Speaker 4: felt like I needed to correct some things, right, Like
Speaker 4: I'll just have my own kids and do it my
Speaker 4: way and it'll be so much better. My daughter doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like she needs to correct anything, and so she
Speaker 4: saw don cycle. The cycle ends here, killing it. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna interpret it. She'll hear this in therapy so many
Speaker 4: years later and she'll be like, mom, that wasn't it
Speaker 4: at all. I didn't want a baby that idea, of course,
Speaker 4: correcting in order to find like, I don't know, you're
Speaker 4: safety net, you know, like wanting to have someone to
Speaker 4: love is a basic human instinct and pivoting away from
Speaker 4: like dudes and making it about like what can I
Speaker 4: pour love into, you know, as opposed to what will
Speaker 4: love me back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great distinction.
Speaker 4: It's an important pivot for Brooke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, especially for someone who is taught
Speaker 3: to only find her worth in being validated by others,
Speaker 3: to say no, no, I feel best about myself actually
Speaker 3: when I give to others. Yeah, when I support my friends,
Speaker 3: when I help people achieve their dreams. And she wants
Speaker 3: to do that in this role as a mom because
Speaker 3: of what she's experienced as a godparent and you know,
Speaker 3: as this auntie to Jamie. I think it's really this
Speaker 3: special distinction. And I don't know, maybe because that's a
Speaker 3: hard one sort of sense of self worth for her,
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I feel a little protective and I'm like,
Speaker 3: really blew this storyline. We could have done it better. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like sometimes when people with our characters, I feel like
Speaker 3: they're working with you. Got like, like my actual friends,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, Hayley James deserved better poles, we are
Speaker 3: deserved better. Like I get really like I get protective
Speaker 3: of us even though it's not us us, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know, I think, yeah, same, I think to your point,
Speaker 3: the way we are talking about this and that evolution, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it could have been acknowledged, better, handled better. It could
Speaker 3: have been a bigger deal if we'd gone deeper with it.
Speaker 4: We're rushing into it. It's been one month since you
Speaker 4: told Peyton and Lucas, I want to have a baby.
Speaker 3: Well, also, none of that stuff was well thought out, Like, no,
Speaker 3: now Brooks out here trying to adopt. She's not trying
Speaker 3: to have a baby with Lucas. She's never gonna have
Speaker 3: a baby with the man who is the love of
Speaker 3: her best friend's life. Like that was insane, and it's like,
Speaker 3: what did we do it for? We didn't even follow
Speaker 3: through on it.
Speaker 2: That's what frustrates me, that the lack of follow through,
Speaker 2: because there are so many kids that need to be
Speaker 2: adopted in so many families who have gone through adoption,
Speaker 2: and how difficult that journey can be. What amazing opportunity
Speaker 2: that would have been to share that journey on our
Speaker 2: show through a character that's so beloved, and you could
Speaker 2: have taken the time and walked through that. I think
Speaker 2: so many people would have showed up for that and
Speaker 2: loved to go through that journey with Brooke.
Speaker 3: Well and the other side of the journey choosing to
Speaker 3: build a modern family. Asking a friend to be a donor,
Speaker 3: sure is such a big deal, and something so sacred
Speaker 3: and like could have also been a big deal. But
Speaker 3: it's like we sort of dishonored both realities that people
Speaker 3: go through, and I wish we hadn't because it felt
Speaker 3: out of character for her and it felt like it
Speaker 3: sort of cheapened both experiences a little bit. But to
Speaker 3: your point, nobody googled it and then we were on
Speaker 3: strike and nobody could change it.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, there was just one person in a
Speaker 2: room typing stream of consciousness and then put it in
Speaker 2: all of our mouths.
Speaker 3: I'm a genius. It wasn't the later seasons where I
Speaker 3: got passionate enough where I'd read a scene and be like,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I rewrote it. Yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 3: that confident yet totally.
Speaker 4: I wish I love that I'm a one and a
Speaker 4: million thing I did too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I hadn't heard that before. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's something that fans write a lot
Speaker 2: or if you hear that back a lot, but for
Speaker 2: some reason, that was out of my range of views.
Speaker 2: So I loved that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is one of the ones that I get
Speaker 3: to talk to people about a lot, and I loved
Speaker 3: it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an encouraging thing to I mean, that
Speaker 2: is one of those lines that I think as a
Speaker 2: young girl or boy, just a fan watching the show,
Speaker 2: is if you walk away from that, that's a line
Speaker 2: that sticks with you that you can put as a
Speaker 2: badge on yourself, Like, yeah, you know what, that's who
Speaker 2: I am too.
Speaker 4: I like that this whole Victoria Brook narrative. Brooke knows
Speaker 4: she will be a good mother and it is something
Speaker 4: that has never been encouraged or validated by her mother,
Speaker 4: and so you're seeing her reach for a brass ring
Speaker 4: that no one's valued except her. Like, you know, Peyton
Speaker 4: is like kids. Yeah, I mean, baby, I'm here, but
Speaker 4: like not on my radar. Yeah, you know, it's not
Speaker 4: like everyone around her is like kids, kids, kids, kids.
Speaker 4: She has identified the thing that she knows will make
Speaker 4: her feel fulfilled and doesn't need any external validation. And
Speaker 4: maybe that's why, even though it's a complicated storyline, I
Speaker 4: do like it for Brooke because when you can arrive
Speaker 4: at that place where you're like, this is my thing
Speaker 4: and I don't need any other people in my life
Speaker 4: to tell me it's good, because I know it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: It's cool to see her in that space.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think maybe it's because I like
Speaker 3: the storyline so much that I wish we'd gone a
Speaker 3: little deeper with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to adopt as a single person,
Speaker 4: do you have to identify who you're next of kin?
Speaker 4: Is so like, if something happens to you, who takes
Speaker 4: care of this child like you do? I feel like
Speaker 4: there's a lot of protocol that could have been juicy
Speaker 4: conversations for broken Yeah, and it didn't happen, Just didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Victoria's trying to like give power of attorney or something creepy.
Speaker 2: I like what you said, Hillary about the mother work
Speaker 2: that we do, and you know, Hailey says, it made
Speaker 2: me think of that moment in the therapy sessions when
Speaker 2: Haley said I won't be an absent parent. And I
Speaker 2: was like, why is that such a why she harping on,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because her parents were always sort of in
Speaker 2: and out and around, And I was like, all those
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that they weren't ever present, but
Speaker 2: they were very loose and I loose handed with all
Speaker 2: the kids sort of all of them kind of raising themselves.
Speaker 2: It seems like.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. Is this a whole episode about mothers?
Speaker 4: Because Peyton talked about her mom too, Like Hailey's trying
Speaker 4: to imagine a new form of motherhood that she didn't experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's not that it's the wedge between her
Speaker 4: and Nathan, but it's certainly like when you build a
Speaker 4: little wall of pillows in a bed, it's that it's
Speaker 4: a soft wall, soft between you and your partner.
Speaker 2: She's afraid of pursuing her own things because she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to make her kids feel abandoned.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think the idea of mother work is
Speaker 3: really interesting because as you start to do your own
Speaker 3: work and your own healing, you also start to realize
Speaker 3: how those relationships have affected you. Right, Like Luke is
Speaker 3: talking about this pain and not being seen and being underestimated.
Speaker 3: Haley is voicing that she does not want to be absent.
Speaker 3: She wants to be there for Jamie. She's working on
Speaker 3: this because she wants to give him a certain kind
Speaker 3: of stability and a presence of you know, with her
Speaker 3: and even Yeah, Hill, I mean, you're talking about the
Speaker 3: relationship and the love, but you're also talking about art
Speaker 3: and belief. And the whole thing starts with Peyton talking
Speaker 3: about how her mom used to sing to her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's this personal relationship and it evolves into her
Speaker 3: identity with music and how she sees herself. And I
Speaker 3: think it's really interesting that in all these stages of
Speaker 3: our lives as women, our experiences as children gets reflected
Speaker 3: back to us, right, Like you're seeing who you are
Speaker 3: as an adult and knowing how you were influenced by
Speaker 3: your mother. And you know, you go to therapy and
Speaker 3: they talk about how when you start to heal your
Speaker 3: matrilineal line, like it can go back generations. Like there's
Speaker 3: work my mom and I have done that has healed
Speaker 3: wounds that my mom carried from her mother who died
Speaker 3: a long time ago. Yeah, And it's it's so powerful
Speaker 3: and oh, there's like a part of me that watching
Speaker 3: this today with you guys goes. Can you imagine if
Speaker 3: from this moment in time, like this present moment in history,
Speaker 3: knowing as much as we do and having as much
Speaker 3: access to mental health care and perspective and research as
Speaker 3: we do in twenty twenty three, like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: imagine know well we would have done with these storylines
Speaker 3: and we were making our show.
Speaker 4: Thatday, I'll do Back then, I was all like, I'm
Speaker 4: a pleaser. Everything's fine in my family. I'm going yeah,
Speaker 4: today I would have been like, we got to work
Speaker 4: all on some stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm setting a boundary. This is my soft wall.
Speaker 4: I have words for this now. Haley said something that
Speaker 4: broke my heart, and I think it's part of this
Speaker 4: mother work. She said. She when you guys were talking
Speaker 4: about what you wanted, she listed, She's like, I want
Speaker 4: to trust Nathan again. I want to you know, I
Speaker 4: want to be happy, healthy, safe, She said, I want
Speaker 4: Jamie to feel appreciated. And the idea of saying that
Speaker 4: about your child, it's like, is she talking about her
Speaker 4: own inner child?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Because you always want for your kid what you didn't
Speaker 4: have for yourself and sense of just wanting your child
Speaker 4: to be appreciated. Yeah, I don't know why that hits
Speaker 4: so hard.
Speaker 2: That's so true that it does really break your heart.
Speaker 2: If you see your child offering a part of themselves
Speaker 2: to a friend or something and they're trying and they
Speaker 2: just get ignored or shut down or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like like.
Speaker 2: I know my kid and the other person's not they're
Speaker 2: not not seeing her to just you know. I mean, God,
Speaker 2: it breaks my heart. Even if she says hi to
Speaker 2: somebody and they don't hear it, I mean, and then
Speaker 2: she's just like standing there.
Speaker 4: Like whoa, I will hold a grudge.
Speaker 2: Like, But yeah, I think that's a really interesting thing
Speaker 2: to think about. I haven't. I haven't thought about it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 4: How was that monster day of filming for you guys?
Speaker 4: In the therapy, it was fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I remember reading the script and even
Speaker 2: doing the lines feeling like this is so sophisticated. I
Speaker 2: have done plenty of couple's therapy in my life, and
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember it feeling that poetic and perfectly.
Speaker 2: Everyone's just sharing their vulnerability in such lovely kind way.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just very like it's scripted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very buttoned up, and maybe because it's
Speaker 3: four weeks later, but I'm like, nobody's having an outburst?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the deal with that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Why did nobody had the entire episode was just I
Speaker 2: don't know, is that our fault as actors? Did we try?
Speaker 2: And then we were told just keep it all mellow?
Speaker 2: Was the material not warranting any of those emotions, Like
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ever force anything.
Speaker 4: We were all hungover from that hunh episode party. We
Speaker 4: were just like, yeah, mail it in.
Speaker 2: But you know what, those episodes are really hard to
Speaker 2: because all the dialogue is the same. That's what I
Speaker 2: remember about being in there, because you're saying the same
Speaker 2: thing six different ways, but it's paragraphs and paragraphs every time.
Speaker 2: That is the hardest dialogue to remember because it has
Speaker 2: no meaning really.
Speaker 3: Well, and when you're saying the same thing over and
Speaker 3: over again, by the time you're on the fourth scene,
Speaker 3: you're like, what do these words mean? Yeah, like, which,
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to say this thing, which is a version
Speaker 3: of that thing, but I've already said it that way,
Speaker 3: and I have to remember to say it this way.
Speaker 3: It really can scramble your brain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't change the words because they are
Speaker 4: already matched exactly in the upcoming scene that we filmed
Speaker 4: three days ago, So you can't say it in your
Speaker 4: own words. Yeah, it's this was a technical episode, it
Speaker 4: was indeed, but we were lucky with this, uh, with
Speaker 4: this casting that you guys had. As you were thinking, arapist,
Speaker 4: I mean we were excited to see her that you're
Speaker 4: did know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed it. You called it out. I can't
Speaker 2: believe you recognize her for sixteen candles. This is what
Speaker 2: you said, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we've had a John Hughes appearance in the
Speaker 4: Breakfast Club episode and in this episode.
Speaker 3: Havelen Morris as Olivia Prewitt. Is that? Yeah, correct, So
Speaker 3: Havelen Morris.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at her and her hair color is different,
Speaker 4: but she's got that same arched eyebrow, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is Jake RAN's girlfriend? Pretty in pink? Is she British?
Speaker 2: Havelyn is definitely a very British name, or unless it's
Speaker 2: like Welsh or Irish or something, well let's google.
Speaker 3: Hold.
Speaker 4: It's just every time she's giving you and Nathan relationship advice,
Speaker 4: I'm imagining the scene where her hair is caught in
Speaker 4: the door jam Noe of Jake Rand's bedroom. She's not British,
Speaker 4: She's she's from Jersey.
Speaker 3: Guys, good for her. We were watching the episode and
Speaker 3: I just said, why did they make this woman do
Speaker 3: a British accent? We are in North Carolina. Why why
Speaker 3: is the therapist supposed to be British? I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that one either.
Speaker 3: I would love to ask her about it.
Speaker 2: And it was so posh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't even like I'm from the streets in
Speaker 4: London I was.
Speaker 2: It was not cock me. It was very It just
Speaker 2: wasn't conversational. Yes, it's just so like, where did they
Speaker 2: find this British buttoned up therapist? And why would she
Speaker 2: be the most relatable marriage therapist for Nathan and Haley
Speaker 2: who are so not buttoned up? But you know what, look,
Speaker 2: I did love the advice she gave. I loved the
Speaker 2: idea of thinking about something that happens in so many relationships,
Speaker 2: that long term relationships, which is people stopped playing with
Speaker 2: each other, they stopped going out and having fun and
Speaker 2: tapping into the childlike excitement and what it was that
Speaker 2: they first fell in love with each other four and
Speaker 2: so I thought that was great advice, especially for a
Speaker 2: young couple, like don't lose your joy, don't lose your
Speaker 2: wonder and your laughter. Go find that.
Speaker 4: I love that she'd called Nathan and Haley out though,
Speaker 4: where she was just like, you guys are twenty two
Speaker 4: years you totally you're not old. Please stop, you're making
Speaker 4: fools of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to remind people not not to give up
Speaker 3: on their play and their and their spark, you know,
Speaker 3: especially at twenty two. It's so wild to hear her
Speaker 3: say that to you guys, and to hear you know,
Speaker 3: broke have to kind of defend herself to the adoption woman.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty two. It's like we are baby babies on
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 4: Babies just defeated babies, defeated tired babies. I've written hard
Speaker 4: and put up with. That's right.
Speaker 2: What we crept out, we craft good.
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 2: Are buried under the weight of all the responsibilities that
Speaker 2: they've got and then all you know, stress and the
Speaker 2: trauma and of course Dan and all the stress that
Speaker 2: that brings back, which I still don't know why he
Speaker 2: was being beaten up at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 2: But we can come back to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, good on Nathan
Speaker 4: and Haley to have this huge traumatic event happen and
Speaker 4: be in therapy like the next day if you've already
Speaker 4: met four times and it's been a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I would make him sit on net for a couple
Speaker 4: weeks before I was like, all right, I'm going to
Speaker 4: schedule an appointment and find an opening now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they ended up with the uptighte British lady.
Speaker 2: She was like, I don't care who it is the
Speaker 2: first place that says yes, but I but.
Speaker 4: It is there.
Speaker 2: There's so I think that happens so often. I know
Speaker 2: it does in my life. I get caught up in
Speaker 2: all the responsibilities and I've forgotten, like I think it's
Speaker 2: been a week since I've just played, like just gone
Speaker 2: outside and ran around and kicked a soccer ball around
Speaker 2: with my kid. I've been so buried under responsibilities and
Speaker 2: it's a good reminder anyway. I'm glad that I was
Speaker 2: grateful for that. It was a little gift of that
Speaker 2: today from this episode. Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 4: Was really nice, a little bit of therapy. I like,
Speaker 4: I like all three of us yelling at the screen
Speaker 4: while Nathan and Haley are back home and she's making
Speaker 4: the bed and it's like, okay, well, do you want
Speaker 4: to hang out later tonight? Maybe her now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, do it now afternoon delight?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: Now, well they did. They got right back into it,
Speaker 2: back in the settle.
Speaker 3: Thank god.
Speaker 4: Yeah fine, I'm so happy we've reached that point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Haley James, you have a what I wrote this and
Speaker 4: down you have a serious ass, Haley James, say it again,
Speaker 4: Say it again. This episode was obviously interesting for me
Speaker 4: because I had to deal with Voldemort. Worst Voldemort, Yeah,
Speaker 4: fucking worst. I wasn't speaking to him in real life,
Speaker 4: and so he wrote himself into the episode and me
Speaker 4: hugging him.
Speaker 2: I'm so psychotic, Like, can you guys imagine Shonda Rhymes
Speaker 2: or Aaron Sorkin casting themselves on their own show. Especially
Speaker 2: in that scenario he compared himself.
Speaker 4: To the writer of Sons of Anarchy. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm like that, and I'm just like, you're not like that,
Speaker 4: a gay, Wow.
Speaker 3: You're really not.
Speaker 4: It was so creepy. And so I got the script
Speaker 4: and I was just like, all right, it's one day
Speaker 4: of work. It's just one day of work. I only
Speaker 4: have one day to be in this officeool film all
Speaker 4: these scenes. And you know, my boyfriend's dad was directing,
Speaker 4: and my brother's on set. There's like all these dudes
Speaker 4: on set. And it just wasn't quite enough. And so
Speaker 4: I invited my dad to work this day. And my
Speaker 4: dad came and sat behind the monitor the whole day. Wow,
Speaker 4: which was kind of weird, right, because he clearly wasn't
Speaker 4: there to be friendly. He was just just being of presence. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and my dad is a jack of all trades, and
Speaker 4: he is really good at bullwhips. He had like an
Speaker 4: Indiana Jones thing in the eighties and wanted to learn
Speaker 4: how to play with bullwhips. It's always really good at it.
Speaker 2: I thought you were just giving us a metaphor. You
Speaker 2: mean actual, No, an actual bullwhip, real bull Whip's amazing.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to keep going.
Speaker 4: So in between every take, I would just like be
Speaker 4: line to the monitor and just like go stand next
Speaker 4: to my dad because you can't touch me, you can't
Speaker 4: pull me into a sidebark conversation, can't do any of
Speaker 4: that if I'm just like shooting and making jokes with
Speaker 4: my dad. And so it's lunch, and my dad has
Speaker 4: also been chatting up Mike Rail, our sound mixer, and
Speaker 4: they'd known each other, you know, like I'm I was
Speaker 4: in a band with Mike Rail that played at the
Speaker 4: hundredth Party. And so they're chatting and stuff, and Mike
Speaker 4: divulges that he had been in the circus in his
Speaker 4: early twenties and was an animal trainer and also knows
Speaker 4: how to use whips. And so we break for lunch
Speaker 4: and Voldemort goes off to the production office where his
Speaker 4: office has like a view of the parking lot, and
Speaker 4: my dad and Mike Rail proceed to go out into
Speaker 4: crew parking, which is right next to the production office,
Speaker 4: and pull out bull whips and start doing all these
Speaker 4: tricks and just like cracking I'm real loud. So they're
Speaker 4: making all this noise and it was the most redneck
Speaker 4: like Carneye move that could be done. It was just
Speaker 4: like a message. It was like, hey don't so you
Speaker 4: don't what an awkward day at work? What a show day?
Speaker 3: That is like the North Carolina version of the Dad
Speaker 3: and Clue lest being like I got a forty five
Speaker 3: and a shovel and no one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a bull whip in the back
Speaker 4: of my Ford Explorer.
Speaker 5: Watch.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: I love that you had your dad come out. That's great.
Speaker 2: It's really just taking advantage of the men in your
Speaker 2: life that care about you, that you know, stick around
Speaker 2: and stand up for you. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Well, it didn't let's be clear, it didn't like necessarily
Speaker 4: solve anything, did it for that day? That's it. It
Speaker 4: was like for that day, even to.
Speaker 3: Give you a day of reprieve.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine doing that day and not having that
Speaker 4: because no one else was going to be like, hey man,
Speaker 4: like he's up here. Yeah, you can tell about my
Speaker 4: body language. I'm like always pointed away. I'm never looking
Speaker 4: like directly at him. I'm just sort of like delivering
Speaker 4: these monologues to the ether.
Speaker 3: Well, you're walking around the office and yeah, I think
Speaker 3: you know what struck me, And I'm curious if you
Speaker 3: remember any of this, but just like knowing what you
Speaker 3: tended to gravitate to in wardrobe. Yeah, the fact that
Speaker 3: you were in that skirt and those heels. And to
Speaker 3: be clear for our listeners, like our boss approved all
Speaker 3: our wardrobe. I was like, did he did he like
Speaker 3: select out of the line of stuff you had tried
Speaker 3: on for you know that four episode chunk or whatever,
Speaker 3: like oh, I'm coming in this episode. I want or
Speaker 3: in a short skirt. It like it like made me,
Speaker 3: it made me feel like itchy watching you walk around
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, I hate that she had
Speaker 3: to be in there with him.
Speaker 4: We didn't have fittings just for like for the episode.
Speaker 4: Maybe we would do that if it was a really
Speaker 4: big episode. It's like this is the wedding and we
Speaker 4: have to get all like our wedding dresses. But usually
Speaker 4: it was like, just come do one big fit and
Speaker 4: it'll cover six episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, four or five, six episodes at a time.
Speaker 4: I don't remember how that played out, but I just
Speaker 4: I also remember because I do remember being uncomfortable in
Speaker 4: the skirt. I was seated. They wanted me to sit
Speaker 4: on the desk, and I'm like, I can't sit on
Speaker 4: the desk. I have to lean against the desk. It's
Speaker 4: like everything was very strategic, and I remember thinking like
Speaker 4: if I throw a hissy fit and I'm like I
Speaker 4: need to go put on pants, It'll just I'll have lost.
Speaker 4: I'll have lost, and so goddamn it, like I'm I
Speaker 4: am not going to be flustered. I'm not gonna be bothered.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna say these stupid
Speaker 4: lines and then I'm gonna go home and you know,
Speaker 4: play with the whip. Yeah, do Indiana Jones tricks. But
Speaker 4: I love that the fan base has acknowledged how absolutely
Speaker 4: cringey this is. There was a time for that person
Speaker 4: where he thought he was so cool. So I'm a
Speaker 4: good actor, I'm so cool, and I think there were
Speaker 4: maybe some fans that validated that. And now that we've
Speaker 4: just like aired all the dirty laundry, people are like,
Speaker 4: what a nerd?
Speaker 2: That's just so weird that he Why in the world
Speaker 2: is Peyton talking to Max the record store guy.
Speaker 3: About and why does he know about Lucas and all
Speaker 3: their deepest little.
Speaker 2: In details of her life? Like I'm so confused. I mean,
Speaker 2: how long was Peyton net Thud.
Speaker 4: And he was not thirty six, He was not thirty six,
Speaker 4: yet here what kind of nerd ages himself down? I'm
Speaker 4: should to think of.
Speaker 2: Other people that Peyton could have been talking to realistically,
Speaker 2: and like, you want a random person that wasn't Chris Keller, great,
Speaker 2: that would have been the first choice for sure, Mia
Speaker 2: instead he's.
Speaker 3: Holding up her record and I'm like, so, you paid
Speaker 3: yourself as the creator and show runner. I made the
Speaker 3: most money of anybody on our show. You paid yourself
Speaker 3: to be an actor and took an episode away from
Speaker 3: a Mia all these other characters.
Speaker 4: Yeayeah, but where's Barbara? Yeah? Cool to have Barbara home.
Speaker 3: Moira, Moira, It's like, where's Karen. Oh, she's coming back.
Speaker 3: She could have been with you and Andy could have
Speaker 3: been with Lucas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, that would have been so good.
Speaker 3: Dang it.
Speaker 2: I felt that viscerally. That was in my gut right there.
Speaker 2: You just said that, and I'm like.
Speaker 4: That that honestly would have been so great for the
Speaker 4: long term of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like obviously yeah, and like she's getting
Speaker 2: advice and then Andy's telling Lucas, here's how you go
Speaker 2: back and get Lindsey. That would have been so interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 2: By the way, Lucas going in and talking to like,
Speaker 2: I was not into that speech. I have to say,
Speaker 2: it felt like so manipulative and like the same thing
Speaker 2: he said for the last five years to all the
Speaker 2: other girls.
Speaker 4: Pretty yeah, he said it to Brooke for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to prove it to you waiting. I'll
Speaker 3: be waiting for how long?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Wait? Did he ever say it to Peyton? Because
Speaker 4: I feel like Peyton was always kind of chasing him.
Speaker 4: I don't remember him being like, oh, wait for you, Peyton.
Speaker 2: You know at the beginning he was chasing Peyton like crazy,
Speaker 2: and she was like, why are you so crazy?
Speaker 4: I wish she would have said it just like that,
Speaker 4: why are you so crazy? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think it's important to acknowledge that at twenty two
Speaker 5: years old, you really do think you know what you
Speaker 5: want and I did, Yeah, sure, that's fair, and then you.
Speaker 4: Find out later like, oh I don't and that's okay too.
Speaker 4: And Lucas, God bless him, just is not willing to
Speaker 4: give up. And I think got some good advice from
Speaker 4: Andy of just like, hey, you know, she just needs
Speaker 4: assurance from you, the same way I did with your mom.
Speaker 4: I knew that your mom had some unfinished business. I
Speaker 4: stuck around and I respected her space.
Speaker 2: But running out on a wedding is different than like, honey,
Speaker 2: I need a little assurance from you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you really bounce back from that.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe in Lucas's mind. He's like, oh, that
Speaker 4: was kind of embarrassing. Maybe she just needs me to
Speaker 4: tell her I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well I wonder about that too, Right,
Speaker 3: is how much of it could be about the ego
Speaker 3: of not wanting to be left, because there are plenty
Speaker 3: of people who feel like that, and there are plenty
Speaker 3: of men who will do anything to not embarrass yet
Speaker 3: left when their partner finds out who they really are.
Speaker 4: And why I had a breakup once. I remember him
Speaker 4: looking at me and going, you're going to realize once
Speaker 4: I'm gone all the things that I do and you
Speaker 4: won't be able to get through without me. And I
Speaker 4: was just like I.
Speaker 3: Remember in the moment be like, oh, well you think
Speaker 3: that's true, honey, take the trash out all the time?
Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think he genuinely does care for Lindsey.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think she represents a side of him he
Speaker 6: has aspired to his entire life, successful literary couple, you know,
Speaker 6: helping each other with the dead dad situation, like they
Speaker 6: heal a lot.
Speaker 4: Of each other's wounds. But there's just always that Peyton Barnacle,
Speaker 4: Fester and you know.
Speaker 2: That's something that's been so that's a very common theme
Speaker 2: in romance stories, that there's one person that you're meant
Speaker 2: for and that's the person you're going to be, and
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, it's always just going to keep
Speaker 2: coming around, and that's going to be the person. I
Speaker 2: feel like the older I've gotten and the more I've
Speaker 2: seen and been through, I don't know. I just don't
Speaker 2: know about that narrative. I mean, I know that first
Speaker 2: love is strong, and that you that person will always
Speaker 2: be with you in your heart, and that the memories,
Speaker 2: like the first boy I was ever in love with,
Speaker 2: I'll always remember that, and there's always going to be
Speaker 2: moments where I I'm grateful for the first time I
Speaker 2: was in love, but I don't I'm glad we're not together,
Speaker 2: like life has taken me in so many different directions.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Joy, I think the older I get,
Speaker 4: the more I'm like, man, I could live with anybody,
Speaker 4: My husband could live with anybody. We're easygoing people. We
Speaker 4: make the choice, yeah, to live together, and so Lucas
Speaker 4: and Lindsay could end up happily ever after. But there's
Speaker 4: a choice there, and she's making the choice like hey, no, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he's got her in this weird professional headlock that
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh god, Lucas, don't do that. That's not romance.
Speaker 3: That's weird.
Speaker 2: And oh that's so the professional headlock. That's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll only do the book if you edited.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I think there are times in my
Speaker 2: life when I have latched onto a person because I
Speaker 2: in a romantic situation, because I there's that mindset that's
Speaker 2: just so pervasive in culture, because it shows like ours
Speaker 2: with moments like this, like it's Lucas and Peyton and
Speaker 2: that's it, and that's gonna be It's Ross and Rachel,
Speaker 2: it's it's he's her lobster. It's the thing that's that
Speaker 2: we're taught over and over and over again. If there's
Speaker 2: that one person, it's just got to be the person
Speaker 2: you keep going back to. But I just I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's really true. It's neither here
Speaker 2: nor there, or just something I thought of while we were.
Speaker 4: No, it's not a magic trick, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a weird thing.
Speaker 4: But I like that Peyton has not reached out to
Speaker 4: him once. This entire time.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Andy asked Lucas, He's like, oh, have you
Speaker 4: heard from Baiden? And it's like, no power move, Nope,
Speaker 4: so just above board, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much, self care move actually keeping it classy,
Speaker 2: very proud. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go pour my heart out to Maths.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been talking to Dan. I'm it was just
Speaker 2: so random.
Speaker 4: She could have been talking to Dan. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: that one so much better, just like, Hey, no one's
Speaker 4: talking to you either. Cool story, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you. And he could
Speaker 3: have been like, well, clearly nobody wants to talk to you,
Speaker 3: like you could have been a funny, like nasty little
Speaker 3: tete a tete.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe if they're both at the graveyard, he's visiting
Speaker 2: Keith's grave, she's visiting her mom. Somehow they end up talking.
Speaker 7: This is why we have writers through Yeah, all right, Well,
Speaker 7: the fist fight at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 4: Did they all think that Dan kidnapped the little boy?
Speaker 2: That's what's so confusing.
Speaker 3: No, I think Dan wouldn't have been able to leave
Speaker 3: the house without saying And that's why Jamie's like, thank
Speaker 3: you everyone knew Carrie took him. Yeah, but they could
Speaker 3: have done it better.
Speaker 2: But why would they start beating him up. I'm just
Speaker 2: so confused. I liked the action. It was the only
Speaker 2: action we got in the episode. Yeah, besides the end.
Speaker 3: Maybe because Dan followed her and didn't call the cops,
Speaker 3: like all the things he didn't do well. He needed
Speaker 3: to be the hero, and it's like, you don't get
Speaker 3: to be the hero, you're a murderer. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty confusing.
Speaker 4: Also, why did Dan pay off the social worker? I
Speaker 4: miss that part.
Speaker 2: That's going to be in the future. I think. I
Speaker 2: think in that there's going to be something that comes
Speaker 2: up where that guy was like, oh, Dan says I
Speaker 2: paid him off.
Speaker 3: He wanted him to listen to him, he wanted to chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a weird little He was like,
Speaker 2: how about you keep this money and just have a
Speaker 2: small talk with me, But clearly he wanted to leave
Speaker 2: that money there and make it look like that guy
Speaker 2: took a bribe. Yeah. But I didn't get anything out
Speaker 2: of that scene, didn't. I didn't get any new information.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Paul was fine as always, he
Speaker 2: was great, But what do you do with them? If
Speaker 2: there's nothing on the paper, what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: Paul was good, but it was so random. And then
Speaker 3: to have the guy be like, didn't you kill your brother?
Speaker 3: It's like, really, this is what we're talking about, like
Speaker 3: we all know. And what was weird to me is
Speaker 3: that everybody knows what Dan Scott did. He was the
Speaker 3: mayor of Tree Hill and he's creeping around the elementary
Speaker 3: school girl and nobody's calling the police. He's talking to
Speaker 3: little kids through the fence. A grown ass man nod
Speaker 3: at My child's preschool.
Speaker 4: Parents couldn't even show up early for pickup until the
Speaker 4: kids over the fence. They were like, sit in your
Speaker 4: car when it's time for you to come out, we'll
Speaker 4: let you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just show up for lunch like you
Speaker 2: used to.
Speaker 3: It's really weird.
Speaker 2: He wasn't into that either, But I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: where it's going.
Speaker 4: Hey, it can't get worse, you know what.
Speaker 3: This is silly. Everything is silly. And we have a
Speaker 3: fan question that I find to be very silly and
Speaker 3: also adorable. Who wants to read it?
Speaker 4: I don't want to die?
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, okay, you had.
Speaker 4: The most to deal with this joy because you had
Speaker 4: to deal.
Speaker 2: With Nathan Sweaty boys, all right, when you have a
Speaker 2: scene where you're supposed to sweat on your face like
Speaker 2: and body after a workout at basketball game fight, is
Speaker 2: it just water? Are they actually like forcing us as
Speaker 2: actors to work out and work up a sweat before
Speaker 2: we do a scene. No, they're not forcing else to
Speaker 2: work out. Although sometimes the boys, to make their muscles
Speaker 2: look really big, will sit and do pull ups right
Speaker 2: before a shot because they want to be bulgy.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh man, we're going to roll the.
Speaker 2: Dummies. No, the makeup artists have a little spray bottle.
Speaker 2: They squirt your face with water.
Speaker 3: They missed you, well, they missed you with water. And
Speaker 3: they also have it's like a glycerin solution, you know
Speaker 3: that they put on those spongy so like they'll they'll
Speaker 3: they'll pat this glycerin. It's like a gel. It's gross
Speaker 3: all over your forehead, so the sweat beads stay, and
Speaker 3: then wardrobes sprang your shirt with water and you're just
Speaker 3: like sticky and wet all day. It's pretty disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the answer, folks.
Speaker 4: Thanks Kaylin. Like how do I get that Dewey look?
Speaker 4: That's it? Do you think they just love teen dramas
Speaker 4: so much that we went from having that super mat
Speaker 4: makeup in the early two thousands to they're like, how
Speaker 4: do we make all these bitches Dewey Dewey?
Speaker 2: I was real happy when Dewey and the Dewey look
Speaker 2: kicked in. I do love it.
Speaker 3: You just wake up in the morning and you're like,
Speaker 3: you know what I want to look like today? A
Speaker 3: glazed donut.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I have a choice anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean to look like a snack, all right?
Speaker 3: So are we going to spin a wheel?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 2: Do it?
Speaker 3: What are we going to get?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: This week we have our most likely too?
Speaker 3: Didn't we have this question already?
Speaker 2: Am I crazy?
Speaker 4: I don't remember this one?
Speaker 2: Because I wanted this answer?
Speaker 4: Who is most likely to burn Thanksgiving dinner? Well?
Speaker 3: Didn't Brook I was gonna say. I did on the
Speaker 3: show and we had to put the turkey out with
Speaker 3: a fire extinguisher. It was a funny scene with me
Speaker 3: and Sharon Lawrence in Austin. It was great.
Speaker 2: I think I directed that episode, really, I think.
Speaker 3: So, I will say a great episode, great scene, not
Speaker 3: me in real life.
Speaker 4: No, you are so like she's got a call sheet
Speaker 4: for the whole cooking schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's burning the turkey in real life? Who's burning
Speaker 2: in real life?
Speaker 4: Guys, don't tell her. I said this, it's Daniel because
Speaker 4: because she tries to do too much, like instead of
Speaker 4: like parceling it out, she'd be like, I can do it.
Speaker 4: I can do it. I'm gonna cook three turkeys, one
Speaker 4: deep fried, one in the oven, and another like in
Speaker 4: a toaster owner something. And she's the one who's like,
Speaker 4: I got it, and not all three will burn.
Speaker 2: But one of one of them will. I would forget
Speaker 2: about the turkey. I could see that happening, being like,
Speaker 2: what am I missing?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I don't even like turkey, So yeah, let's
Speaker 4: just eat ham eazy, open the foil. Did we have
Speaker 4: a honorable mention this episode? What we love?
Speaker 2: God, I don't know, it's never this hard.
Speaker 4: Did you just say it's never this hard?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never usually honorable mentions kind of jump out.
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time, Joy.
Speaker 3: I go with what you were saying earlier about your scenes.
Speaker 3: I really like, I really liked the reminder despite how clunky,
Speaker 3: so much of the episode felt I like that we
Speaker 3: offered the audience a reminder to play yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like don't take it all so seriously all the time.
Speaker 3: That felt nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, great, I love that giving the honorable
Speaker 2: mention theme. Oh oh you guys, what what.
Speaker 3: The one of the biggest hawks I have ever seen
Speaker 3: just landed in my backyard and picked up a pillow
Speaker 3: and then realized it like swooped in, picked up a pillow,
Speaker 3: realized it wasn't an animal, dropped it and kept on
Speaker 3: its merry way. But it flew under the tree in
Speaker 3: my backyard. That was insane.
Speaker 4: Babe? Is this a metaphor?
Speaker 2: And we need to look up the spiritual meeting and.
Speaker 3: Talk cowk medicine?
Speaker 4: Next Oh guys, all right, next week we have season five,
Speaker 4: episode fourteen, What do You Go Home to? Sophia goes
Speaker 4: home to hawks, be careful.
Speaker 3: Hawk medicine, awareness, enlightenment.
Speaker 4: We're gonna learn some more. All right, thank you guys,
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