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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And

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Speaker 3: our comic girl cheering for the right teams.

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Speaker 2: Drama Queens Girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you

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Speaker 2: could sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama, drahn the

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 4: Weddings are expensive, and we had one in the last episode,

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Speaker 4: so this was definitely like a paired down episode. It

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Speaker 4: was a yeah, it's a quiet, little, easy breezy episode. Huh.

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Speaker 2: Was I bored or because we have less of an

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Speaker 2: attention span now because the you know what's put out now,

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Speaker 2: the content that's out is always so fast paced to

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Speaker 2: keep up with everybody's short attention span? Or was it

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Speaker 2: just a boring episode.

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Speaker 4: All saying things that we've already said ten million times.

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Speaker 4: I like when we do just two on two scenes

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Speaker 4: because it's theater fun. And I thought there were some

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Speaker 4: great nuggets in this.

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Speaker 2: There were. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like the device of how the montages. It sort

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Speaker 3: of felt like we were doing these merry ground scenes.

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Speaker 3: I liked that one scene would bleed right into the next,

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Speaker 3: and everyone was sort of confronting these ideas of what

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Speaker 3: you want and who have you been and where do

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Speaker 3: you think you're going? All these sort of beautiful themes.

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Speaker 3: Love that, but it did feel slow and clunky. And Hillary,

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Speaker 3: you did a great service to our show and to

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Speaker 3: Peyton Sawyer doing what you did in this episode. You

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Speaker 3: are a good person and an even better actor.

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Speaker 4: Right right, Well, here's the thing. I'm a lot older

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Speaker 4: right now, bit as petty as I was in my

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Speaker 4: early twenties, and I just it's hard to look back

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Speaker 4: at yourself and be like, hey, kid, you were juggling

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Speaker 4: a lot in this situation, and uh and you said

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Speaker 4: your lines and you hit your marks. Good job. You know.

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Speaker 4: We'd seen some fan comments before we watch this where

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Speaker 4: they were like, oh god, they're gonna hate this one.

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Speaker 3: Thank god they've warned us.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, I know. If anybody hasn't seen this episode,

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Speaker 4: let's tell them what it was?

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Speaker 2: What was it?

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Speaker 4: Season five, episode thirteen. What do we got?

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Speaker 3: Echoes? Silence, patience, and grace because apparently so many echoes

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Speaker 3: and apparently grace is all we talk about on the show. Anymore.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of regurgitated dialogue. Yeah, give them this synopsis, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Lucas picks up the pieces after being left at the

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Speaker 2: altar by Lindsay, Nathan and Hayley deal with the repercussions

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Speaker 2: of Jamie's abduction. Brooke is haunted by her past as

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Speaker 2: she considers adopting, and Peyton is visited by an old friend.

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Speaker 4: Wait as the get Bork is haunted by her past.

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Speaker 4: She's twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, her high school pass. There's yeah, so much

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Speaker 4: How do we break this one down? Because it was

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Speaker 4: a merry go round and and I'll say I like

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Speaker 4: the merry go Round device, Yeah for a lot an act,

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Speaker 4: maybe two acts, but I kept waiting for us to

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Speaker 4: get off the ride and like actually get into what

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Speaker 2: It was so introspective.

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Speaker 3: A couple of loops would have been good. And by

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Speaker 3: act three I was like, well, no, I just have

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Speaker 3: motion sickness. We're just we're still doing this, We're still

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Speaker 4: We could perform this as a stage show on one

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Speaker 4: of those like rotating stages like Ley miss using.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's picking up the last line of the last person

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very carefully crafted. It definitely felt to

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Speaker 2: It was just very like, all right, already, can we

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Speaker 2: like we get it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it.

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Speaker 4: I thought we all looked good though we looked good.

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Speaker 3: We did. Yeah, I mean my haircut was a crime,

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Speaker 4: I like that little suit vest get up that you

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Speaker 4: What doesn't this woman seeing her?

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Speaker 3: I've just dressed up in a soup for my interview

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Speaker 3: that my mother tanked.

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Speaker 2: This whole thing was so bizarre to me, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's just start talking about that part, because Okay, I

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't got I actually have looked

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Speaker 2: into adoption at times in my life, and I haven't

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Speaker 2: thing that seems to be the real barrier for most

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Speaker 2: was fifty thirteen years ago. I don't ask me to

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. There's just so many kids out

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Speaker 2: believing that anyone would judge someone's pick apart someone's.

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Speaker 4: High school history, school, high school boyfriends is my favorite question.

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Speaker 4: It's so absurd.

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Speaker 2: It's so absurd, And to look at this incredibly successful,

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Speaker 2: there's no history in Brook's life that would say that, oh,

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Speaker 2: That's not who Brooke is at all. Like she started

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Speaker 2: there's just so much I don't know. I didn't buy it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't buy it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't buy it either. The pettiness of that woman

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Speaker 3: and you decided you need a baby? Like what it was?

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Speaker 3: So like mustache Spinny, there.

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Speaker 2: Would have been some action in this episode at least

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Speaker 2: if you had just flat out bust it out, laughing

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Speaker 3: Like I'm so sorry, what's happening? Is this happening?

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Speaker 3: Like insanity.

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Speaker 4: I learned a lot about adoption from Willie Garson because

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Speaker 4: he adopted his son right at the same time that

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Speaker 4: I gave birth to Gus, and when we met, we

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Speaker 4: were like, you know, new parents together. And he adopted

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Speaker 4: his son when Nathan was like seven eight years old,

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Speaker 4: and Willie before he met anybody. You have to do

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Speaker 4: a series of classes, yeah, right, And there's you know,

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Speaker 4: process you go through before you get to this phase

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Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, you shoplifted in high school.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you're ready for this because they are

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Speaker 2: Who did you turn into in spite of having parents

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Speaker 2: that were a complete disaster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been great to see Brooke do

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Speaker 4: I don't know what are they do things interview people

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that drives me insane about

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Speaker 3: two of my best friends adopted both of their kids

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Speaker 3: I want to adopt. I want to give a home

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Speaker 3: to a kid who doesn't have the life they deserve,

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Speaker 3: you know, as a single woman, to make that choice

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when we see these lunatics in

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Speaker 3: of that to your point about really adopting becomes a

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Speaker 3: part of your life, Like you have to jo life. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you have to jump through hoops to adopt a child

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Speaker 3: that you simply don't if you, you know, go out.

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Speaker 4: And if you get knocked up. Yeahah, And I like,

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to judge anybody, like look by the way,

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Speaker 3: Like becoming a parent is hard for a lot of

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Speaker 3: people a lot of the time. Yeah, but there's also

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Speaker 3: you know what Brooke says, like nobody made my mom

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, like having so many friends who've

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Speaker 3: their children. Like I'm so angry about the way like

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Speaker 3: modern families and adoptive parents get treated. And I forgot

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Speaker 3: that Brooke got shamed in this episode by the adoption woman.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh my lord, She's like, are you

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna get married? Do you do you drink?

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Speaker 2: Do you date?

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Speaker 3: You dated boys in high school?

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Speaker 2: Like what you're into a bartender? Now? Does he drink?

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Speaker 3: He makes drinks like owen sober, Like.

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Speaker 2: You took care of an addict? How dare you?

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Speaker 3: You didn't turn your back on some way he was

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Speaker 4: It just means they didn't google adoption process. No one

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Speaker 4: googled it. Heyes, jeeved it. Whatever the we were doing

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Speaker 4: back then, Like it's so easy. Did you just say

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Speaker 4: I wish I love that I'm a one and a

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Speaker 2: I feel like I hadn't heard that before. And I

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Speaker 3: She wants to be there for Jamie. She's working on

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Speaker 3: from this moment in time, like this present moment in history,

439
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: knowing as much as we do and having as much

440
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: access to mental health care and perspective and research as

441
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: we do in twenty twenty three, like, oh my god,

442
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: imagine know well we would have done with these storylines

443
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 3: and we were making our show.

444
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 4: Thatday, I'll do Back then, I was all like, I'm

445
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 4: a pleaser. Everything's fine in my family. I'm going yeah,

446
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: today I would have been like, we got to work

447
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: all on some stuff.

448
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: I'm setting a boundary. This is my soft wall.

449
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 4: I have words for this now. Haley said something that

450
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 4: broke my heart, and I think it's part of this

451
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 4: mother work. She said. She when you guys were talking

452
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: about what you wanted, she listed, She's like, I want

453
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: to trust Nathan again. I want to you know, I

454
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: want to be happy, healthy, safe, She said, I want

455
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 4: Jamie to feel appreciated. And the idea of saying that

456
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 4: about your child, it's like, is she talking about her

457
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: own inner child?

458
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: Right?

459
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 4: Because you always want for your kid what you didn't

460
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: have for yourself and sense of just wanting your child

461
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: to be appreciated. Yeah, I don't know why that hits

462
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 4: so hard.

463
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: That's so true that it does really break your heart.

464
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: If you see your child offering a part of themselves

465
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: to a friend or something and they're trying and they

466
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: just get ignored or shut down or whatever.

467
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 4: It's like like.

468
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: I know my kid and the other person's not they're

469
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: not not seeing her to just you know. I mean, God,

470
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: it breaks my heart. Even if she says hi to

471
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: somebody and they don't hear it, I mean, and then

472
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: she's just like standing there.

473
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 4: Like whoa, I will hold a grudge.

474
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: Like, But yeah, I think that's a really interesting thing

475
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: to think about. I haven't. I haven't thought about it

476
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: that way.

477
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: How was that monster day of filming for you guys?

478
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 4: In the therapy, it was fine.

479
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I remember reading the script and even

480
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: doing the lines feeling like this is so sophisticated. I

481
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: have done plenty of couple's therapy in my life, and

482
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember it feeling that poetic and perfectly.

483
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: Everyone's just sharing their vulnerability in such lovely kind way.

484
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just very like it's scripted.

485
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very buttoned up, and maybe because it's

486
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: four weeks later, but I'm like, nobody's having an outburst?

487
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the deal with that?

488
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: Like?

489
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: Why did nobody had the entire episode was just I

490
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: don't know, is that our fault as actors? Did we try?

491
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: And then we were told just keep it all mellow?

492
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: Was the material not warranting any of those emotions, Like

493
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ever force anything.

494
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: We were all hungover from that hunh episode party. We

495
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 4: were just like, yeah, mail it in.

496
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: But you know what, those episodes are really hard to

497
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: because all the dialogue is the same. That's what I

498
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: remember about being in there, because you're saying the same

499
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: thing six different ways, but it's paragraphs and paragraphs every time.

500
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: That is the hardest dialogue to remember because it has

501
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: no meaning really.

502
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, and when you're saying the same thing over and

503
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: over again, by the time you're on the fourth scene,

504
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: you're like, what do these words mean? Yeah, like, which,

505
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to say this thing, which is a version

506
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: of that thing, but I've already said it that way,

507
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: and I have to remember to say it this way.

508
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: It really can scramble your brain.

509
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't change the words because they are

510
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: already matched exactly in the upcoming scene that we filmed

511
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: three days ago, So you can't say it in your

512
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 4: own words. Yeah, it's this was a technical episode, it

513
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: was indeed, but we were lucky with this, uh, with

514
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: this casting that you guys had. As you were thinking, arapist,

515
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: I mean we were excited to see her that you're

516
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: did know.

517
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed it. You called it out. I can't

518
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: believe you recognize her for sixteen candles. This is what

519
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: you said, right.

520
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we've had a John Hughes appearance in the

521
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 4: Breakfast Club episode and in this episode.

522
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: Havelen Morris as Olivia Prewitt. Is that? Yeah, correct, So

523
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: Havelen Morris.

524
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 4: I'm looking at her and her hair color is different,

525
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: but she's got that same arched eyebrow, and I'm like,

526
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: this is Jake RAN's girlfriend? Pretty in pink? Is she British?

527
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: Havelyn is definitely a very British name, or unless it's

528
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: like Welsh or Irish or something, well let's google.

529
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: Hold.

530
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 4: It's just every time she's giving you and Nathan relationship advice,

531
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm imagining the scene where her hair is caught in

532
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: the door jam Noe of Jake Rand's bedroom. She's not British,

533
00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 4: She's she's from Jersey.

534
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: Guys, good for her. We were watching the episode and

535
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: I just said, why did they make this woman do

536
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: a British accent? We are in North Carolina. Why why

537
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: is the therapist supposed to be British? I don't understand.

538
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: I didn't get that one either.

539
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: I would love to ask her about it.

540
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: And it was so posh.

541
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't even like I'm from the streets in

542
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: London I was.

543
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: It was not cock me. It was very It just

544
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: wasn't conversational. Yes, it's just so like, where did they

545
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: find this British buttoned up therapist? And why would she

546
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: be the most relatable marriage therapist for Nathan and Haley

547
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: who are so not buttoned up? But you know what, look,

548
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: I did love the advice she gave. I loved the

549
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: idea of thinking about something that happens in so many relationships,

550
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: that long term relationships, which is people stopped playing with

551
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: each other, they stopped going out and having fun and

552
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: tapping into the childlike excitement and what it was that

553
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: they first fell in love with each other four and

554
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: so I thought that was great advice, especially for a

555
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: young couple, like don't lose your joy, don't lose your

556
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: wonder and your laughter. Go find that.

557
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: I love that she'd called Nathan and Haley out though,

558
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: where she was just like, you guys are twenty two

559
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: years you totally you're not old. Please stop, you're making

560
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: fools of yourself.

561
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to remind people not not to give up

562
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: on their play and their and their spark, you know,

563
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: especially at twenty two. It's so wild to hear her

564
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: say that to you guys, and to hear you know,

565
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: broke have to kind of defend herself to the adoption woman.

566
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm twenty two. It's like we are baby babies on

567
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: this show.

568
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: Babies just defeated babies, defeated tired babies. I've written hard

569
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: and put up with. That's right.

570
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: What we crept out, we craft good.

571
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley.

572
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Are buried under the weight of all the responsibilities that

573
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: they've got and then all you know, stress and the

574
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 2: trauma and of course Dan and all the stress that

575
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: that brings back, which I still don't know why he

576
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: was being beaten up at the beginning of the episode.

577
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: But we can come back to that.

578
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, good on Nathan

579
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: and Haley to have this huge traumatic event happen and

580
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: be in therapy like the next day if you've already

581
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: met four times and it's been a month.

582
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

583
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: I would make him sit on net for a couple

584
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: weeks before I was like, all right, I'm going to

585
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: schedule an appointment and find an opening now.

586
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they ended up with the uptighte British lady.

587
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: She was like, I don't care who it is the

588
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: first place that says yes, but I but.

589
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: It is there.

590
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: There's so I think that happens so often. I know

591
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: it does in my life. I get caught up in

592
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: all the responsibilities and I've forgotten, like I think it's

593
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: been a week since I've just played, like just gone

594
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: outside and ran around and kicked a soccer ball around

595
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: with my kid. I've been so buried under responsibilities and

596
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: it's a good reminder anyway. I'm glad that I was

597
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: grateful for that. It was a little gift of that

598
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: today from this episode. Yeah, I thought that.

599
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: Was really nice, a little bit of therapy. I like,

600
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: I like all three of us yelling at the screen

601
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: while Nathan and Haley are back home and she's making

602
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: the bed and it's like, okay, well, do you want

603
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: to hang out later tonight? Maybe her now?

604
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, do it now afternoon delight?

605
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: Man?

606
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: Now, well they did. They got right back into it,

607
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: back in the settle.

608
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: Thank god.

609
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah fine, I'm so happy we've reached that point. Yeah,

610
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: Haley James, you have a what I wrote this and

611
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: down you have a serious ass, Haley James, say it again,

612
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: Say it again. This episode was obviously interesting for me

613
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: because I had to deal with Voldemort. Worst Voldemort, Yeah,

614
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: fucking worst. I wasn't speaking to him in real life,

615
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: and so he wrote himself into the episode and me

616
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: hugging him.

617
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm so psychotic, Like, can you guys imagine Shonda Rhymes

618
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: or Aaron Sorkin casting themselves on their own show. Especially

619
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: in that scenario he compared himself.

620
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: To the writer of Sons of Anarchy. He was like, yeah,

621
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: I'm like that, and I'm just like, you're not like that,

622
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: a gay, Wow.

623
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: You're really not.

624
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: It was so creepy. And so I got the script

625
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: and I was just like, all right, it's one day

626
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 4: of work. It's just one day of work. I only

627
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: have one day to be in this officeool film all

628
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: these scenes. And you know, my boyfriend's dad was directing,

629
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: and my brother's on set. There's like all these dudes

630
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: on set. And it just wasn't quite enough. And so

631
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 4: I invited my dad to work this day. And my

632
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: dad came and sat behind the monitor the whole day. Wow,

633
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: which was kind of weird, right, because he clearly wasn't

634
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: there to be friendly. He was just just being of presence. Yeah,

635
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: and my dad is a jack of all trades, and

636
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: he is really good at bullwhips. He had like an

637
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: Indiana Jones thing in the eighties and wanted to learn

638
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: how to play with bullwhips. It's always really good at it.

639
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: I thought you were just giving us a metaphor. You

640
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: mean actual, No, an actual bullwhip, real bull Whip's amazing.

641
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Can't wait to keep going.

642
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: So in between every take, I would just like be

643
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: line to the monitor and just like go stand next

644
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: to my dad because you can't touch me, you can't

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: pull me into a sidebark conversation, can't do any of

646
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 4: that if I'm just like shooting and making jokes with

647
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: my dad. And so it's lunch, and my dad has

648
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: also been chatting up Mike Rail, our sound mixer, and

649
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 4: they'd known each other, you know, like I'm I was

650
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: in a band with Mike Rail that played at the

651
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: hundredth Party. And so they're chatting and stuff, and Mike

652
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: divulges that he had been in the circus in his

653
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: early twenties and was an animal trainer and also knows

654
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: how to use whips. And so we break for lunch

655
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: and Voldemort goes off to the production office where his

656
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: office has like a view of the parking lot, and

657
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: my dad and Mike Rail proceed to go out into

658
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: crew parking, which is right next to the production office,

659
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: and pull out bull whips and start doing all these

660
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: tricks and just like cracking I'm real loud. So they're

661
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: making all this noise and it was the most redneck

662
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: like Carneye move that could be done. It was just

663
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: like a message. It was like, hey don't so you

664
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: don't what an awkward day at work? What a show day?

665
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: That is like the North Carolina version of the Dad

666
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: and Clue lest being like I got a forty five

667
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: and a shovel and no one.

668
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a bull whip in the back

669
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: of my Ford Explorer.

670
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: Watch.

671
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 6: Bro.

672
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: I love that you had your dad come out. That's great.

673
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: It's really just taking advantage of the men in your

674
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: life that care about you, that you know, stick around

675
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: and stand up for you. That's amazing.

676
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: Well, it didn't let's be clear, it didn't like necessarily

677
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: solve anything, did it for that day? That's it. It

678
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: was like for that day, even to.

679
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: Give you a day of reprieve.

680
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: I can't imagine doing that day and not having that

681
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 4: because no one else was going to be like, hey man,

682
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: like he's up here. Yeah, you can tell about my

683
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: body language. I'm like always pointed away. I'm never looking

684
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: like directly at him. I'm just sort of like delivering

685
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 4: these monologues to the ether.

686
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: Well, you're walking around the office and yeah, I think

687
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: you know what struck me, And I'm curious if you

688
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: remember any of this, but just like knowing what you

689
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: tended to gravitate to in wardrobe. Yeah, the fact that

690
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: you were in that skirt and those heels. And to

691
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: be clear for our listeners, like our boss approved all

692
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: our wardrobe. I was like, did he did he like

693
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: select out of the line of stuff you had tried

694
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: on for you know that four episode chunk or whatever,

695
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: like oh, I'm coming in this episode. I want or

696
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: in a short skirt. It like it like made me,

697
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: it made me feel like itchy watching you walk around

698
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, I hate that she had

699
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: to be in there with him.

700
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: We didn't have fittings just for like for the episode.

701
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: Maybe we would do that if it was a really

702
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: big episode. It's like this is the wedding and we

703
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: have to get all like our wedding dresses. But usually

704
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: it was like, just come do one big fit and

705
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: it'll cover six episodes.

706
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, four or five, six episodes at a time.

707
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't remember how that played out, but I just

708
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: I also remember because I do remember being uncomfortable in

709
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: the skirt. I was seated. They wanted me to sit

710
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: on the desk, and I'm like, I can't sit on

711
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: the desk. I have to lean against the desk. It's

712
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: like everything was very strategic, and I remember thinking like

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: if I throw a hissy fit and I'm like I

714
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: need to go put on pants, It'll just I'll have lost.

715
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: I'll have lost, and so goddamn it, like I'm I

716
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: am not going to be flustered. I'm not gonna be bothered.

717
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna say these stupid

718
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: lines and then I'm gonna go home and you know,

719
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: play with the whip. Yeah, do Indiana Jones tricks. But

720
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 4: I love that the fan base has acknowledged how absolutely

721
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: cringey this is. There was a time for that person

722
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: where he thought he was so cool. So I'm a

723
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: good actor, I'm so cool, and I think there were

724
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: maybe some fans that validated that. And now that we've

725
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: just like aired all the dirty laundry, people are like,

726
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: what a nerd?

727
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: That's just so weird that he Why in the world

728
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: is Peyton talking to Max the record store guy.

729
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: About and why does he know about Lucas and all

730
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: their deepest little.

731
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: In details of her life? Like I'm so confused. I mean,

732
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: how long was Peyton net Thud.

733
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: And he was not thirty six, He was not thirty six,

734
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: yet here what kind of nerd ages himself down? I'm

735
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: should to think of.

736
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Other people that Peyton could have been talking to realistically,

737
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: and like, you want a random person that wasn't Chris Keller, great,

738
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: that would have been the first choice for sure, Mia

739
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: instead he's.

740
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: Holding up her record and I'm like, so, you paid

741
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: yourself as the creator and show runner. I made the

742
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: most money of anybody on our show. You paid yourself

743
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: to be an actor and took an episode away from

744
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: a Mia all these other characters.

745
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeayeah, but where's Barbara? Yeah? Cool to have Barbara home.

746
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: Moira, Moira, It's like, where's Karen. Oh, she's coming back.

747
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: She could have been with you and Andy could have

748
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: been with Lucas.

749
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

750
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: Oh, that would have been so good.

751
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: Dang it.

752
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: I felt that viscerally. That was in my gut right there.

753
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: You just said that, and I'm like.

754
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: That that honestly would have been so great for the

755
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: long term of the show.

756
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like obviously yeah, and like she's getting

757
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: advice and then Andy's telling Lucas, here's how you go

758
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: back and get Lindsey. That would have been so interesting.

759
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do I feel about that?

760
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: By the way, Lucas going in and talking to like,

761
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: I was not into that speech. I have to say,

762
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: it felt like so manipulative and like the same thing

763
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: he said for the last five years to all the

764
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: other girls.

765
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: Pretty yeah, he said it to Brooke for sure.

766
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to prove it to you waiting. I'll

767
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: be waiting for how long?

768
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah? Wait? Did he ever say it to Peyton? Because

769
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: I feel like Peyton was always kind of chasing him.

770
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't remember him being like, oh, wait for you, Peyton.

771
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: You know at the beginning he was chasing Peyton like crazy,

772
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: and she was like, why are you so crazy?

773
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: I wish she would have said it just like that,

774
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: why are you so crazy? Man? Yeah?

775
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: I think it's important to acknowledge that at twenty two

776
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 5: years old, you really do think you know what you

777
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: want and I did, Yeah, sure, that's fair, and then you.

778
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 4: Find out later like, oh I don't and that's okay too.

779
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: And Lucas, God bless him, just is not willing to

780
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 4: give up. And I think got some good advice from

781
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: Andy of just like, hey, you know, she just needs

782
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: assurance from you, the same way I did with your mom.

783
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: I knew that your mom had some unfinished business. I

784
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: stuck around and I respected her space.

785
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: But running out on a wedding is different than like, honey,

786
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: I need a little assurance from you. I don't know

787
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: if you really bounce back from that.

788
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: I mean maybe in Lucas's mind. He's like, oh, that

789
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: was kind of embarrassing. Maybe she just needs me to

790
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: tell her I don't care.

791
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well I wonder about that too, Right,

792
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: is how much of it could be about the ego

793
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: of not wanting to be left, because there are plenty

794
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: of people who feel like that, and there are plenty

795
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: of men who will do anything to not embarrass yet

796
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: left when their partner finds out who they really are.

797
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: And why I had a breakup once. I remember him

798
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: looking at me and going, you're going to realize once

799
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: I'm gone all the things that I do and you

800
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: won't be able to get through without me. And I

801
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: was just like I.

802
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: Remember in the moment be like, oh, well you think

803
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: that's true, honey, take the trash out all the time?

804
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about?

805
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

806
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: I think he genuinely does care for Lindsey.

807
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 6: Yes, I think she represents a side of him he

808
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 6: has aspired to his entire life, successful literary couple, you know,

809
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 6: helping each other with the dead dad situation, like they

810
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 6: heal a lot.

811
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: Of each other's wounds. But there's just always that Peyton Barnacle,

812
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: Fester and you know.

813
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: That's something that's been so that's a very common theme

814
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: in romance stories, that there's one person that you're meant

815
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: for and that's the person you're going to be, and

816
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, it's always just going to keep

817
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: coming around, and that's going to be the person. I

818
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: feel like the older I've gotten and the more I've

819
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: seen and been through, I don't know. I just don't

820
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: know about that narrative. I mean, I know that first

821
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: love is strong, and that you that person will always

822
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: be with you in your heart, and that the memories,

823
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: like the first boy I was ever in love with,

824
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: I'll always remember that, and there's always going to be

825
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: moments where I I'm grateful for the first time I

826
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: was in love, but I don't I'm glad we're not together,

827
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: like life has taken me in so many different directions.

828
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Joy, I think the older I get,

829
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: the more I'm like, man, I could live with anybody,

830
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: My husband could live with anybody. We're easygoing people. We

831
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: make the choice, yeah, to live together, and so Lucas

832
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: and Lindsay could end up happily ever after. But there's

833
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 4: a choice there, and she's making the choice like hey, no, thanks, Yeah,

834
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: and he's got her in this weird professional headlock that

835
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh god, Lucas, don't do that. That's not romance.

836
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 3: That's weird.

837
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: And oh that's so the professional headlock. That's great.

838
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll only do the book if you edited.

839
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I think there are times in my

840
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: life when I have latched onto a person because I

841
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: in a romantic situation, because I there's that mindset that's

842
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: just so pervasive in culture, because it shows like ours

843
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: with moments like this, like it's Lucas and Peyton and

844
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: that's it, and that's gonna be It's Ross and Rachel,

845
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: it's it's he's her lobster. It's the thing that's that

846
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: we're taught over and over and over again. If there's

847
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: that one person, it's just got to be the person

848
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: you keep going back to. But I just I don't

849
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's really true. It's neither here

850
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: nor there, or just something I thought of while we were.

851
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 4: No, it's not a magic trick, man.

852
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a weird thing.

853
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 4: But I like that Peyton has not reached out to

854
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: him once. This entire time.

855
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: I love that.

856
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Andy asked Lucas, He's like, oh, have you

857
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: heard from Baiden? And it's like, no power move, Nope,

858
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 4: so just above board, thank.

859
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: You so much, self care move actually keeping it classy,

860
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: very proud. Yeah.

861
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go pour my heart out to Maths.

862
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Well, I've been talking to Dan. I'm it was just

863
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: so random.

864
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: She could have been talking to Dan. Oh my god,

865
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: that one so much better, just like, Hey, no one's

866
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: talking to you either. Cool story, Yeah.

867
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you. And he could

868
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: have been like, well, clearly nobody wants to talk to you,

869
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: like you could have been a funny, like nasty little

870
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: tete a tete.

871
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe if they're both at the graveyard, he's visiting

872
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: Keith's grave, she's visiting her mom. Somehow they end up talking.

873
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 7: This is why we have writers through Yeah, all right, Well,

874
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 7: the fist fight at the beginning of the episode.

875
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: I loved that.

876
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 4: Did they all think that Dan kidnapped the little boy?

877
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: That's what's so confusing.

878
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: No, I think Dan wouldn't have been able to leave

879
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: the house without saying And that's why Jamie's like, thank

880
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: you everyone knew Carrie took him. Yeah, but they could

881
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: have done it better.

882
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: But why would they start beating him up. I'm just

883
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: so confused. I liked the action. It was the only

884
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: action we got in the episode. Yeah, besides the end.

885
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: Maybe because Dan followed her and didn't call the cops,

886
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: like all the things he didn't do well. He needed

887
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: to be the hero, and it's like, you don't get

888
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: to be the hero, you're a murderer. I don't know.

889
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty confusing.

890
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: Also, why did Dan pay off the social worker? I

891
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: miss that part.

892
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: That's going to be in the future. I think. I

893
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: think in that there's going to be something that comes

894
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: up where that guy was like, oh, Dan says I

895
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: paid him off.

896
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: He wanted him to listen to him, he wanted to chat.

897
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a weird little He was like,

898
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: how about you keep this money and just have a

899
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: small talk with me, But clearly he wanted to leave

900
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: that money there and make it look like that guy

901
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: took a bribe. Yeah. But I didn't get anything out

902
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: of that scene, didn't. I didn't get any new information.

903
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Paul was fine as always, he

904
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: was great, But what do you do with them? If

905
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: there's nothing on the paper, what are you going to do?

906
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: Paul was good, but it was so random. And then

907
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: to have the guy be like, didn't you kill your brother?

908
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: It's like, really, this is what we're talking about, like

909
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: we all know. And what was weird to me is

910
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: that everybody knows what Dan Scott did. He was the

911
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: mayor of Tree Hill and he's creeping around the elementary

912
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: school girl and nobody's calling the police. He's talking to

913
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 3: little kids through the fence. A grown ass man nod

914
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: at My child's preschool.

915
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: Parents couldn't even show up early for pickup until the

916
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: kids over the fence. They were like, sit in your

917
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: car when it's time for you to come out, we'll

918
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: let you know.

919
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just show up for lunch like you

920
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: used to.

921
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: It's really weird.

922
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: He wasn't into that either, But I'm curious to see

923
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: where it's going.

924
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 4: Hey, it can't get worse, you know what.

925
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: This is silly. Everything is silly. And we have a

926
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: fan question that I find to be very silly and

927
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: also adorable. Who wants to read it?

928
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to die?

929
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, okay, you had.

930
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: The most to deal with this joy because you had

931
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: to deal.

932
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: With Nathan Sweaty boys, all right, when you have a

933
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: scene where you're supposed to sweat on your face like

934
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: and body after a workout at basketball game fight, is

935
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: it just water? Are they actually like forcing us as

936
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: actors to work out and work up a sweat before

937
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: we do a scene. No, they're not forcing else to

938
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: work out. Although sometimes the boys, to make their muscles

939
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: look really big, will sit and do pull ups right

940
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: before a shot because they want to be bulgy.

941
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: They're like, oh man, we're going to roll the.

942
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: Dummies. No, the makeup artists have a little spray bottle.

943
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: They squirt your face with water.

944
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: They missed you, well, they missed you with water. And

945
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: they also have it's like a glycerin solution, you know

946
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: that they put on those spongy so like they'll they'll

947
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: they'll pat this glycerin. It's like a gel. It's gross

948
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: all over your forehead, so the sweat beads stay, and

949
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: then wardrobes sprang your shirt with water and you're just

950
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: like sticky and wet all day. It's pretty disgusting.

951
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the answer, folks.

952
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 4: Thanks Kaylin. Like how do I get that Dewey look?

953
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: That's it? Do you think they just love teen dramas

954
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 4: so much that we went from having that super mat

955
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 4: makeup in the early two thousands to they're like, how

956
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: do we make all these bitches Dewey Dewey?

957
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: I was real happy when Dewey and the Dewey look

958
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: kicked in. I do love it.

959
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: You just wake up in the morning and you're like,

960
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: you know what I want to look like today? A

961
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: glazed donut.

962
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: I don't know that I have a choice anymore.

963
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: I mean to look like a snack, all right?

964
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: So are we going to spin a wheel?

965
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 5: Ye?

966
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: Do it?

967
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: What are we going to get?

968
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

969
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: This week we have our most likely too?

970
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: Didn't we have this question already?

971
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: Am I crazy?

972
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: I don't remember this one?

973
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: Because I wanted this answer?

974
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: Who is most likely to burn Thanksgiving dinner? Well?

975
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: Didn't Brook I was gonna say. I did on the

976
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: show and we had to put the turkey out with

977
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: a fire extinguisher. It was a funny scene with me

978
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: and Sharon Lawrence in Austin. It was great.

979
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: I think I directed that episode, really, I think.

980
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: So, I will say a great episode, great scene, not

981
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: me in real life.

982
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 4: No, you are so like she's got a call sheet

983
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: for the whole cooking schedule.

984
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's burning the turkey in real life? Who's burning

985
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: in real life?

986
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: Guys, don't tell her. I said this, it's Daniel because

987
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: because she tries to do too much, like instead of

988
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: like parceling it out, she'd be like, I can do it.

989
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 4: I can do it. I'm gonna cook three turkeys, one

990
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: deep fried, one in the oven, and another like in

991
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: a toaster owner something. And she's the one who's like,

992
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: I got it, and not all three will burn.

993
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: But one of one of them will. I would forget

994
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: about the turkey. I could see that happening, being like,

995
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: what am I missing?

996
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I don't even like turkey, So yeah, let's

997
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: just eat ham eazy, open the foil. Did we have

998
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 4: a honorable mention this episode? What we love?

999
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: God, I don't know, it's never this hard.

1000
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 4: Did you just say it's never this hard?

1001
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never usually honorable mentions kind of jump out.

1002
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time, Joy.

1003
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: I go with what you were saying earlier about your scenes.

1004
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: I really like, I really liked the reminder despite how clunky,

1005
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: so much of the episode felt I like that we

1006
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: offered the audience a reminder to play yeah, you know,

1007
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: like don't take it all so seriously all the time.

1008
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: That felt nice.

1009
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, great, I love that giving the honorable

1010
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: mention theme. Oh oh you guys, what what.

1011
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: The one of the biggest hawks I have ever seen

1012
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: just landed in my backyard and picked up a pillow

1013
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: and then realized it like swooped in, picked up a pillow,

1014
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: realized it wasn't an animal, dropped it and kept on

1015
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: its merry way. But it flew under the tree in

1016
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: my backyard. That was insane.

1017
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: Babe? Is this a metaphor?

1018
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: And we need to look up the spiritual meeting and.

1019
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: Talk cowk medicine?

1020
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 4: Next Oh guys, all right, next week we have season five,

1021
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: episode fourteen, What do You Go Home to? Sophia goes

1022
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 4: home to hawks, be careful.

1023
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: Hawk medicine, awareness, enlightenment.

1024
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: We're gonna learn some more. All right, thank you guys,

1025
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: Ready to go?

1026
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for listening.

1027
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,320
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1028
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
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1029
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,200
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1030
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,640
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1031
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: Were all about that high school drama girl, drama girl,

1032
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1033
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,800
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1034
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,880
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1035
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