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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told you a production of iHeart Radio. And today

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Speaker 1: we're going to finally be addressing are if we kind

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Speaker 1: of hinted at it our episode on elevated Horror and

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Speaker 1: what it has to do with women and me Too,

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Speaker 1: which we kind of did very briefly in two Happy

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Speaker 1: Hours that were just like these quick reviews on recent

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Speaker 1: movies that would fall into this um So we've done

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Speaker 1: feminist movie Fridays on Screen five, Alien the which I

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Speaker 1: would say even Women in Revenge could kind of be

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Speaker 1: in those episodes, because that was the two parter Our

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Speaker 1: Final Girl episode, our Screen Queen's episode, or episode on

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Speaker 1: women and monsters, women who are monsters, and even urban legends,

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Speaker 1: women urban legend monsters, all of this stuff. So this

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Speaker 1: is kind of interesting because I'm gonna I'm going to

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Speaker 1: break down what exactly is elevated horror, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of thoughts about it, and then we're gonna run through

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Speaker 1: some movies that are examples of it very quickly at

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Speaker 1: the end, because otherwise this episode would be oh forever,

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Speaker 1: forever long. But yes, Samantha has always feel free to

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Speaker 1: jump in at any time. I have been watching quite

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Speaker 1: a few horror movies lately, but I have a lot

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Speaker 1: more to go because we are in October. I've got

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Speaker 1: my list, but I'm also trying to introduce some new things.

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Speaker 1: Um try to add some new things. Brief discussions around violence,

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Speaker 1: elevated horror, what exactly is it? Well? That is hotly

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Speaker 1: more into being emotionally upsetting as opposed to things like

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Speaker 1: gore jump scares. It might upset you, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean at all that there are no gore and jump scares.

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Speaker 1: Our feminist movie for this month was an Elevated horror

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Speaker 1: because I was upset Annie. It was you know what,

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Speaker 1: in a minute, we should break down our own definitions

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Speaker 1: of what it is. I would qualify it. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll look forward to that episode. She was quite upset

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Speaker 1: and it was fair. It was okay. So some people

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Speaker 1: take issue with the quote elitism of the term elevated

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Speaker 1: Basically that the term is pretentious and is you know,

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Speaker 1: saying a fun slasher movie needs to be elevated. It's

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Speaker 1: so this is like good horror. Many argue it's an

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Speaker 1: unnecessary term or sub genre, that there's still horror movies

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Speaker 1: Um And essentially that maybe it's a way for people

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Speaker 1: So like being like, I don't like horror, I like

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Speaker 1: basically just a more pretentious term for psychological horror, art horror,

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Speaker 1: So I never got the impression that a lot of

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Speaker 1: would want to read this article. According to the Horror Report,

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Speaker 1: Um Covid gave away to what some call lockdown horror.

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Speaker 1: which is also pretty disturbing, but it's got a whole

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Speaker 1: thing about mothers, Oh my goodness, um, and monsters created

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Speaker 1: then facing those monsters. Um, it's got a real justiy

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Speaker 1: on Barbarians. Mothers. Mothers are in there. I honestly, I

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Speaker 1: do not think I did because the movie takes a

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Speaker 1: as I said, this is not new, and a lot

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Speaker 1: would put them in this mysterious category that may or

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Speaker 1: may not exist of elevated horror, because I do think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of horror movies you could find some

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Speaker 1: a difference in the intentionality of it. But you can

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Speaker 1: fight with me that with that as well. But it

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Speaker 1: is not new at all. I think this is just

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Speaker 1: kind of a current wave that we're seeing. I just

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Speaker 1: watched Furnace did It's Martyrs, which is a super disturbing

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Speaker 1: film about punishing women, torturing them until they become martyrs.

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Speaker 1: So that you can see what's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: If there's anything on the other side Rosemary's Baby, yes,

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Speaker 1: because that has Polansky involved. But it is like a

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Speaker 1: has the whole messaging around abortion and body autonomy and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, um, just pregnancy in general. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not really going into this now, even though I'd

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Speaker 1: love to come back to it, but things like They're

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Speaker 1: Ringing the Grudge have a lot about because those were

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Speaker 1: and it was this kind of fear of like, oh

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Speaker 1: did this change are we? Is this impacting our bodies?

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Speaker 1: And what is gonna happen like when we have children,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Um? And I read a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I did just watch Satoko versus Kyoko, and

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Speaker 1: you got some updates about that. I had a good time.

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Speaker 1: I would not put an elevated horror. I had a

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Speaker 1: good time. You know. That's the thing. It's like, it

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Speaker 1: can you can have fun with these movies. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be that like anyway and also it's just

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Speaker 1: I think when I was reading about this, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I've heard this argument play out in pretty much every genre,

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Speaker 1: if not every genre, So I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: is something something happening that feels like right now that

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Speaker 1: we're really wanting to see these movies and we've we've

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Speaker 1: had other periods of it before, but right now, to me,

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Speaker 1: it feels like there's just a lot of them coming

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Speaker 1: those are some of my thoughts. I know I did

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Speaker 1: like a rapid fire through those movies that the end um.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully some of you are listening you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll check that one out. Maybe I'll check that

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Speaker 1: one out. But yes, that's Samantha said, look it up

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to meet you a straight Well

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Speaker 1: you'll hear more of that beef soon our upcoming fitness

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Speaker 1: movie Friday. But in the meantime, as always, listeners, if

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