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Speaker 3: to be called Eve. Eve says, Hello, ladies, Love Love Love.

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Speaker 3: I've been a listener for years and I'm happy to

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Speaker 3: I purchased my first home, a condo in the DC

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Speaker 3: knowing I don't have twenty percent equity in my home yet,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of lenders may require PMI, is it

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Speaker 1: They will cancel like sis. Think about it.

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Speaker 3: Let's pretend that Mandy is the bank, hey, bank of

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Speaker 3: mandra Hi, and I'm just Tiffany. I've been teaching for

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Speaker 3: About stability, Like I make significantly more than my husband,

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Speaker 3: mister Smith, you are very attractive with your twenty years

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Speaker 2: That is not my husband, Husban Husby and I we

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Speaker 2: Something feels very adult about something refinancing a mortgage that

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Speaker 3: Yes, but be mindful this because my friend got my

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Speaker 2: We would love y'all's assistance. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: Ayana.

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Speaker 2: This is a really good question, very good question.

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Speaker 1: This is a good question.

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Speaker 2: No, you're you're right though. The key is when you're

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Speaker 3: And then at the bottom those totals you're gonna subtract,

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Speaker 1: And that's how it balances.

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Speaker 3: So like for any of you, like budding accountants, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so that's how you'll know.

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Speaker 3: So knowing for your home, your car, and maybe you

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Speaker 1: But you know that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: A positive network just means that you own more than

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Speaker 3: you owe. That's really key, owning your assets, owing your liabilities,

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Speaker 3: so like, congratulations on a positive network. Iyaha, that's awesome,

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Speaker 2: Student loan debt is the secret killer of net worth

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Speaker 2: in this for millennials and Gen xers for sure, and

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Speaker 3: Which speaking with speaking about holding people back, we got

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Speaker 3: Now maybe you gave us so Sincere from Arizona. I

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Speaker 3: she's sick of you. She's sick of you, your boss,

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Speaker 3: She's sick of your foolishness. She's sick of you having.

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Speaker 3: Don't let don't let them talk to you crazy. Don't

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Speaker 3: Don't let them make you feel less thing you you

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Speaker 1: Don't let them, don't let them stress you else. Listen

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Speaker 2: This was a healthy venting, you know, strategy though coping mechanism.

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Speaker 2: You can y'all convent to us, I mean, maybe not

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