WEBVTT - Lainey Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. At just eight years old, Landy Wilson announced to

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<v Speaker 1>her family that she was destined to become a country

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<v Speaker 1>music star. There were northern musicians in her family to

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<v Speaker 1>speak of. For five generations, her people had been farmers

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<v Speaker 1>in a tiny northern Louisiana town with a population of

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<v Speaker 1>only one hundred and eighty. But after graduating in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>Laney stayed true to her promise and drove north to

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville in a camper trailer that she lived in alone

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<v Speaker 1>for three years. Success didn't come easy. In those first

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<v Speaker 1>three years, Lanny wrote over three hundred songs, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until her eighth year that she finally signed a

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<v Speaker 1>record deal. All that hard work paid off in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, when her debut single Things a Man Out

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<v Speaker 1>of No raced up the country music charts. Several radio

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<v Speaker 1>hits followed, and last year Lanny swept the award season,

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<v Speaker 1>winning a ton of trophies, including the Grammy for Best

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<v Speaker 1>Country Album and Entertainer of the Year at the Country

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<v Speaker 1>Music Awards. In August, Laney scored her first crossover hit

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<v Speaker 1>with the release of her latest album, Wharwind, which debuted

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<v Speaker 1>at number three on the Billboard two hundred chart and

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<v Speaker 1>became her highest selling album yet. On today's episode, Lea

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<v Speaker 1>Rose talks to Laney Wilson about how her grit and

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<v Speaker 1>determination developed into central pillars of her career. Laney also

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<v Speaker 1>opens up about being physically objectified online and the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of playing alongside some of her musical heroes like the

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<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stones and Dolly Parton. This is Broken Record liner

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<v Speaker 1>notes for the digital Age, I'm justin Ritchman. Here's Lea

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<v Speaker 1>Rose's conversation with Laney Wilson. They recorded over zoom and

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<v Speaker 1>to see the full video, you can visit YouTube dot

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<v Speaker 1>com slash Broken Record Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on tour right now, right like you're about to

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<v Speaker 2>be out in California.

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<v Speaker 3>I am smack dab in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I feel like we've been touring. We've been touring

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<v Speaker 4>solid for for three years. I feel like the longest

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<v Speaker 4>break of touring I had was I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 4>during the pandemic, but other than that, I've really been

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<v Speaker 4>touring since eighth grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so is it a thing where if you actually

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<v Speaker 2>get a day at home, you're like, what do I

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<v Speaker 2>do with myself? Or do you have plenty that you

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<v Speaker 2>can do well.

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<v Speaker 4>Today it felt so nice, first of all, just to

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<v Speaker 4>wake up like at my house with my dogs, drink

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<v Speaker 4>my coffee, and I had my hairdresser come over here

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<v Speaker 4>and dye my hair. So thankfully I have found people

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<v Speaker 4>to like to make my life a lot easier, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, Like just little things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>If it just gives me even two extra hours at

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<v Speaker 4>my house, I take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just give us like a sample of like

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<v Speaker 2>two days, Like what have the last two days in

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<v Speaker 2>your life been? Like? What time are you waking up?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? What is your schedule?

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<v Speaker 3>Like this past weekend. I'll just tell you this.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to kind of like go back a little

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<v Speaker 4>ways to tell you, Yeah, we had a show in

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<v Speaker 4>Salt Lake City. From there, I went to Boise, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I went to Missoula, Montana. I flew back

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<v Speaker 4>to Nashville through the night. I got back to Nashville

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<v Speaker 4>at about four thirty in the morning, slept into I

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<v Speaker 4>guess about like nine thirty so I could enjoy the day,

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<v Speaker 4>hung out with my dogs, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I cooked supper.

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<v Speaker 4>I will tell you that's not my it's not my thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I give it my best shot.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make?

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<v Speaker 4>I made It's like an Asian stirfry. So I did

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<v Speaker 4>just like rice and chicken and peppers and onions, and

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<v Speaker 4>I made something that I have not made in probably

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<v Speaker 4>like fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to make it when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's called ooey gooey buttercake. I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna come home. I'm gonna feel good, I'm gonna eat healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I'm gonna have some mooie butter cake.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you have friends over? Are you? Just like

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<v Speaker 2>I am so sick of being around other people. I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to be alone with my dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>My boyfriend was here last night to eat supper around

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<v Speaker 3>the kitchen table, so that was good.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will tell you, like, for me personally, I

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<v Speaker 4>think I won't be a like a introverted extrovert because

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<v Speaker 4>I love people. I love like being around people, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think that I do get like a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>my energy from other people. But I also know that

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<v Speaker 4>like when I need to really like refill my cup,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to be by myself. I just need to

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<v Speaker 4>like be sitting on my couch or sitting in my

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<v Speaker 4>front yard with my feet in the grass, feel in

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<v Speaker 4>the sun and wind on my face, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I can go back.

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<v Speaker 3>Out and do it again. But I'm realizing, like the

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<v Speaker 3>deeper I get.

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<v Speaker 4>Into this job, how important it truly is to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that not even feeling your cup halfway, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you got to feel it to the so you can

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<v Speaker 4>go out and just keep born out, poorn out, porn out.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I love my job, but I always want to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure that I'm the very best version of myself

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<v Speaker 4>that I can possibly because.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want I don't want folks to get the

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<v Speaker 3>shit version.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I appreciate that about you, Like I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you really get it. Like especially when I was

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<v Speaker 2>preparing for this interview, I sat down one day and

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<v Speaker 2>I watched six hours straight of interviews with you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this woman is such a hustler. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of the interviews and they're not like red carpet interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, sit down, deep, hour plus long interviews, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this poor woman, Like sometimes you're wearing the

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<v Speaker 2>same outfit, yeah she is, but you show up in

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<v Speaker 2>every interview and you you really get it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that from you know, from my point of view, Thankee,

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<v Speaker 2>How do you I know that I heard you say

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<v Speaker 2>that you really soak up people's energy, like you're an EmPATH.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you learned to like put up some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of wall to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, it's so funny that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>this because I just had this conversation with a few

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<v Speaker 4>of my best friends. They came out on the road

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<v Speaker 4>this past weekend and we wrote music together, and for me,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just therapy. It's that's not work to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as a songwriter before as an artist. So I was

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<v Speaker 4>telling them, I was just like, it is so endearing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when people even come through my meet and

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<v Speaker 4>greet line, they feel like they can tell me anything.

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<v Speaker 4>And I appreciate that, Like it's it's very cool to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to like to be that person and have them,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, feel like that they have connected with my

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<v Speaker 4>music so much that they know me, and truthfully, when

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<v Speaker 4>I meet them, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel like I know them too. It's like a it's

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<v Speaker 3>an energy exchange. It's what it is, yep. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's strange because I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, in a meet and greet, it'll be like very

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<v Speaker 4>short increments of like one person will be getting engaged

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<v Speaker 4>in front of.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, and I've been like the happiest moment of their life.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the.

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<v Speaker 4>Next person that comes through might be telling me a

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<v Speaker 4>really tragic story and telling me how their music stopped

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<v Speaker 4>them from doing something or like you know, help them

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<v Speaker 4>kind of pull themselves back up by the bootstraps.

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<v Speaker 3>And but I will tell you after moments like that

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<v Speaker 3>because I can't help but feel it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just that person, like yeah, like you said, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just I am a very empathetic person. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>because of that, it's made me a better storyteller, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>like a better songwriter and really just a better person.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm able to kind of put myself

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<v Speaker 3>into a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of other people's shoes and write the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>music that I'm supposed to connect with my audience. But

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<v Speaker 4>when I get out of those meet and greets, there's

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<v Speaker 4>been times where I have to literally physically like wash

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<v Speaker 4>my hands, like it all me and be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, thank you Lord for like for giving

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<v Speaker 4>me the opportunity to like take on some of these

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<v Speaker 4>people's burdens. But I gotta lay it right here. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't carry this into the show. I can't carry it

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<v Speaker 4>into my day tomorrow. I gotta get up and I

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<v Speaker 4>got to do my job again and be the very

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<v Speaker 4>best version of myself that I can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you talked to other artists, like I know you

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<v Speaker 2>and Miranda Lambert are close friends. Does she have that

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<v Speaker 2>same experience? Do you think that's an experience that's just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like singular for you or do your other

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<v Speaker 2>artist friends have that same thing where people are just

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<v Speaker 2>like pouring their heart out to you and telling you

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<v Speaker 2>these like really emotional experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>All of my brands in the business, I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>go through the same thing to like something some like extent.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm remembering correctly, it might be Miranda that told

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<v Speaker 4>me she does meet and greets after her show. So

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<v Speaker 4>if something does kind of like to take her out

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, get her mind out of the game

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that, I think that was her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so you do years before the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I do mine before the show.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems tough.

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<v Speaker 4>I do, And then and then I take a minute

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<v Speaker 4>just to like go back on the bus, do a

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<v Speaker 4>vocal warm up, getting his own and really it's just

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<v Speaker 4>about remembering that this ain't got nothing to do with me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot bigger than that, And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess like maybe that thought a long time ago

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<v Speaker 4>felt like scary and maybe kind of made me feel

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit like out of control or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of freedom that comes along with that thought.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like all I gotta do is get up

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<v Speaker 4>here and tell these stories and recognize and realize that

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<v Speaker 4>it's just for like a bigger purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you're like a vessel? I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>you say you feel like you have a calling?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you feel like you're a vessel for a message?

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<v Speaker 2>How does that work in your mind? Where does it

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<v Speaker 2>come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I really do feel like I am. I feel like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so strange the stories that I tell, and like

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<v Speaker 4>even the collaborations that I've done with other artists, like

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<v Speaker 4>I got to do a song with Harty called Waiting

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<v Speaker 4>the Truck, and it's talking about something that a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people don't want to talk about about domestic abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>and that kind of stuff happens behind closed doors a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more than we'd like to admit.

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<v Speaker 3>But that specific situation has never happened to me.

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<v Speaker 4>But I still feel like, I'm very blessed to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to speak for the people that maybe feel like

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<v Speaker 4>they've never been spoken for.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't take that lightly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that, Yeah, how is your relationship to spirituality, religion,

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<v Speaker 2>or God changed? Since you're in a position now where

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<v Speaker 2>you've had a lot of success and this was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of something that you always knew you were destined and

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<v Speaker 2>for has your perception or your relationship with a higher

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<v Speaker 2>power changed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's definitely grown. I will tell you that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up we want a church. Me and my parents,

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<v Speaker 3>we went to basking Baptist Church in my hometown.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm from a town of one hundred and eighty people,

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<v Speaker 4>and so pretty much I think one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>people went to that church. It was like that the

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<v Speaker 4>town just met up every Sunday. That's pretty much, you know. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I've always been a believer, always like had

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<v Speaker 4>a relationship, I guess you could say. But it's so

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<v Speaker 4>interesting because I feel like and maybe it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>comes with like maturing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel like, especially over the past couple of years.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the places that I have gotten to go and

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<v Speaker 4>the people that I have gotten to meet, and the

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<v Speaker 4>experiences that I've been able to have, I've realized that

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<v Speaker 4>we're all actually a lot more like than you think,

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<v Speaker 4>and that gives me a lot of peace. But it

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<v Speaker 4>also gives me like a different view of life in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. And I know for a fact that, like

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<v Speaker 4>when I was a little girl, you know, I knew

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to do this. I knew that, Like I

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<v Speaker 4>had a weird sense of peace about knowing that this

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<v Speaker 4>is what I was supposed to do, and that feeling

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<v Speaker 4>has never gone away, that feeling of like I really

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<v Speaker 4>do think that I was created to do this, but

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<v Speaker 4>not just do this like I was created to be

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<v Speaker 4>my sister sister, you know, I was like, like, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I have a lot of different purposes and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like all of those things, I guess just

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<v Speaker 4>like remind me that it's just it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just bigger than all of us. It is. But that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 4>And my relationship continues to grow and change, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think for a while, maybe I feel like I needed

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<v Speaker 4>to put more like pressure on it than it needed

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<v Speaker 4>to be. But for me, where I can go and

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<v Speaker 4>just turn it off for a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, growing up, would you say that your parents

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<v Speaker 2>were surprised that you were so driven at such a

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<v Speaker 2>young age, Like, did they also have a feeling about

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<v Speaker 2>you that you were destined to be an entertainer, a songwriter,

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<v Speaker 2>a performer, a singer. Did they see that in you

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<v Speaker 2>as well, or was that just solely coming from you?

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<v Speaker 4>I said when I was about nine years old, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was actually the first time my parents told me

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<v Speaker 4>to Nashville.

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<v Speaker 3>We were driving back home to lose Inna.

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<v Speaker 4>We had been to Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge and been

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<v Speaker 4>to Dollywood, and I just had the time of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you remember about Dollywood?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, Like I loved Dolly before, but when

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<v Speaker 4>I left there, I was like, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>can love this woman anymore. I mean, it was just

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<v Speaker 4>the happiest place on earth, you know. And it's really

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<v Speaker 4>crazy how much that woman has taught me before I

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<v Speaker 4>ever even knew her, Like knowing her now and getting

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<v Speaker 4>to call her a friend and a mentor. It's crazy

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<v Speaker 4>how much wisdom that she just has like pouring out

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<v Speaker 4>of her all the time. But I remember driving through

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<v Speaker 4>Nashville and I told my parents we were on I

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<v Speaker 4>forty and I remember exactly where I was when I

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<v Speaker 4>told them, I said, this is home, and I knew

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<v Speaker 4>that I was supposed to be in Nashville even at

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<v Speaker 4>that age, And thankfully my parents listened to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I think you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably a lot of parents they might hear their kids

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<v Speaker 4>say I want to be an astronaut or I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to be president or whatever, but like, my parents

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<v Speaker 4>took me for real. They were like, Okay, well, let's

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<v Speaker 4>figure out what.

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<v Speaker 3>We can do to help her do that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, nobody in my area had dreams of doing

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like this except for this one guy named Jerry

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<v Speaker 4>Kupett back in the seventies. He's from basking and he

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of like family to us, but not really,

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<v Speaker 4>but like he was married to some at one point.

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<v Speaker 3>That we were kin to. And that's some Louisyanna stuff

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<v Speaker 3>right there.

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<v Speaker 4>But he had a dream of moving to Nashville and

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<v Speaker 4>being a producer, songwriter. And my grandfather, so my daddy's

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<v Speaker 4>daddy just loved music, loved supporting music, was not musical himself,

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<v Speaker 4>but had just like this, this feeling that he needed

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<v Speaker 4>to help Jerry cupid. So he gave him a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of money to help him move to Nashville and

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<v Speaker 4>get started, and as a favor in return, Jerry Cupid

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<v Speaker 4>let me live in his studio parking lot in my

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<v Speaker 4>camper trailer for the first three years that I was

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<v Speaker 4>in Nashville. And so I think it goes back even

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<v Speaker 4>before my parents. Yeah, it's just like my grandfather. He

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<v Speaker 4>died when I was eleven years old. But oh wow,

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<v Speaker 4>so he hadn't even been around to see any of this.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's so crazy, like what you do in this

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<v Speaker 4>lifetime can affect your people generations from now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it isn't that crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you the type of kid who was constantly singing

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<v Speaker 2>and performing and getting up in front of the family.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not proud of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I was probably breaking out in song and

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<v Speaker 4>dance when it wasn't even appropriate. But yeah, my parents

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of Walmart, they'd be like, Laney, sing

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<v Speaker 4>them that song that you wrote last week, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was singing about the Quelan cigarettes and like it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It became a part of me. It was like they said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>mon dance and I do it because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>and they knew that. Like I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved it so much and my parents' day even

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<v Speaker 4>as a little girl, if they found out about a

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<v Speaker 4>talent show that was happening or anything like that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>they never forced me to do anything. I was knocking

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<v Speaker 4>on the door saying I want to do this and that,

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<v Speaker 4>and my mama would sign me up and my daddy

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<v Speaker 4>would figure out how to get us there.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you win?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you good?

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<v Speaker 3>Every time?

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<v Speaker 4>Every time I'm talking about homey Cook, Talent Search, Country,

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<v Speaker 4>Colgate Showdown, you name it.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was in it, I was gonna win it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what were you singing? Were you singing original stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Or you were doing covers?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it was it was originals.

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<v Speaker 4>But I remember trying to sing a lot of like

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<v Speaker 4>Martina McBride songs and hit those high notes and it

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<v Speaker 4>was just kind of like a challenge for me. And huh,

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<v Speaker 4>the truth is, like I did not have any business

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<v Speaker 4>singing a Martina McBride song. But and too, like I

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<v Speaker 4>say that I won these competitions, I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>just because it wasn't that I was the best singer.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't that like that I was the most seasoned.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I was doing these competitions with people who were

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<v Speaker 4>twice my age and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think they probably saw how bad I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>It, saw the drive early on.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't where do you get.

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<v Speaker 2>That drive from? Is that also something that you can

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<v Speaker 2>see in your family life or is that feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just kind of your thing?

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<v Speaker 3>It's in my family. It can be a blessing and

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<v Speaker 3>a curse.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you that it uh, but at least I'm

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<v Speaker 4>aware of that, you know, at least I'm here of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it comes from both sides of my family. But

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<v Speaker 4>my daddy has always had like four or five jobs farmer, brinker, horsetrader,

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<v Speaker 4>He had a dirt haul and business like buying equipment,

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<v Speaker 4>selling it, like anything that he could possibly do, just

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<v Speaker 4>to give us something that his family couldn't give him

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<v Speaker 4>m hm. And he would always just remind us, like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so funny because it kind of goes back to

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<v Speaker 4>like playing a show like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Has nothing to do with me. It has something to

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<v Speaker 3>do with them and everything to do with them. He

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<v Speaker 3>would remind us of that. He's like, this ain't got

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with me.

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<v Speaker 4>This has got to do with like your kids and

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<v Speaker 4>their kids and their kids. And he just plant those seeds,

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<v Speaker 4>and and my mama.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a go getter.

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<v Speaker 4>She gives one hundred and ninety percent with everything she does,

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<v Speaker 4>like it don't matter what it was like even if

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<v Speaker 4>we were having a rummage sell, she would just go

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<v Speaker 4>all out and like and just give it her best shot.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got a double whammy of that.

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<v Speaker 2>How many generations back to your family, how many generations

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<v Speaker 2>lived in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it was five Basking, I think was five generations.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, like farming.

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<v Speaker 2>So they know the Wilsons. The Wilson's like a big

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<v Speaker 2>name in Baskin.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean there's not many names in Baskin, but

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<v Speaker 4>but they definitely know the Wilsons. They definitely know the Wilsons.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're proud of We're proud of where we come

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<v Speaker 4>from for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And Duck Dynasty was filmed like the town over right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so Duck Dynasty was filmed in pretty much the town.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to college in so West Monroe, Monroe, and

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<v Speaker 4>my sister lives in that area right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not many people leave.

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<v Speaker 4>Not many people leave Basketing. Like if you're from Basking,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll stay in Basking. It's kind of random that, like

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<v Speaker 4>even my sister went thirty miles down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think so many people stay?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's family. I think people really are a

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<v Speaker 3>creature of habits. My daddy for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>My mama, I think she kind of has more of

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<v Speaker 4>that like gypsy spirit, Like she seems like I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>she's just she loves people and she loves like going

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<v Speaker 4>and experiencing things. But I'm telling you, my daddy could

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<v Speaker 4>get up every single day and go to the same

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<v Speaker 4>convenience store and eat the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Biscuit and do the same thing and be happy as

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<v Speaker 3>could be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm like lovely nice.

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<v Speaker 4>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like he's content.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't get that. I didn't get that from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now that you've been out in the world and

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<v Speaker 2>you've done so much explore and you've been international, does

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<v Speaker 2>it make you want to go back home and pull

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<v Speaker 2>people out and be like you need to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It does.

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<v Speaker 4>And first of all, I think you were killing this

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<v Speaker 4>because you were asking questions that a lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't ask. Me. Thank you, and it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>feels like therapy right now. I feel like I should

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<v Speaker 3>know you after this or something.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's funny because I was even facetiming my little

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<v Speaker 4>cousin and she's in college right now, back home in Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was just reminding her.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, just so, you know, like there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many different.

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<v Speaker 4>Types of people everywhere, Like there's a lot of ISSI

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<v Speaker 4>to see, Like, I want you to realize how special

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<v Speaker 4>you are and how much love you got to give,

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<v Speaker 4>and like, don't feel like this is your only option.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm, because I think maybe some people do feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's scary. I mean what you did leaving home,

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<v Speaker 2>going to Nashville by yourself, that's not something that people

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<v Speaker 2>normally do. Yeah, you know, that's really scary. And you

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<v Speaker 2>were with the mister cupid cherry keep it. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>you had him, but still it's I mean, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really really big deal, especially if you come from a

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<v Speaker 2>small town where everybody is just staying put.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I don't think like my mama, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>she had like even driven on the interstate until she

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<v Speaker 4>was married with kids, you know, and we're twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 4>from an interstate and a lot of like the other

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<v Speaker 4>parents would be like, aren't y'all scared to let Lane

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<v Speaker 4>go do that, and like aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all ye like let her drive eight hours and live

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<v Speaker 3>in a camper trailer when the weather's bad and like.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course, like they would call me in and

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<v Speaker 4>they would get concerned at times, but like they knew

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<v Speaker 4>that I was going to do this no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I think that's another thing. They were just like, Okay,

0:23:00.596 --> 0:23:01.796
<v Speaker 4>let us know. I mean, they helped me.

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<v Speaker 3>Buy my camper, they helped me haul it to Nashville.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it too, was a way for for

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<v Speaker 4>them to see like just how bad did I really

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<v Speaker 4>want this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they were expecting you to turn around

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<v Speaker 2>and come home?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I think well, especially after the first year that I

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<v Speaker 4>was there. Yeah, I think they realized, like, Okay, she's

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<v Speaker 4>living in a camper trailer, eating Ramen noodles every night

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<v Speaker 4>and hitting up the Little Caesars when she's got some

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<v Speaker 4>extra cash, Like, she's not coming home.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to take a quick break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back with more from Laney Wilson and Leah Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back with more from Laney Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have anything kind of like any creepy meatwish

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<v Speaker 2>type moments happened when you were first out there, before

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<v Speaker 2>you really had like a network of people.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>What's really cool is, no, I don't know how I

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<v Speaker 4>dodged that bullet, because there's that kind of stuff just

0:24:09.476 --> 0:24:14.076
<v Speaker 4>happening all around. Yeah, but I will tell you, like

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<v Speaker 4>in in co writes and in meetings and in anything

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<v Speaker 4>that I was involved with like that, I definitely was

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<v Speaker 4>aware of, like, okay, like what kind of like don't

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<v Speaker 4>miss on me attitude?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that it existed so much that it definitely

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<v Speaker 4>had to be something in the back of my mind

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<v Speaker 4>of like these people need to know that you ain't

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<v Speaker 4>playing yep. I'm not saying that that's why things happen

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<v Speaker 4>to other people, but I think that is why I

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<v Speaker 4>have gotten pretty lucky at times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's such a vulnerable position to be in because

0:24:49.516 --> 0:24:54.476
<v Speaker 2>you're there trying to get some sort of foothold, and

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<v Speaker 2>if there is somebody who could possibly I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what anyone can do for you, but if

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<v Speaker 2>there is somebody who could possibly have an opportunity for you,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it can just happen so easily.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, and it's easy to not even recognize at first. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it's just like what just happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Because you want it bad?

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<v Speaker 4>And then it's just you know, you think somebody genuinely

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<v Speaker 4>wants to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, that's good. I'm glad to hear that. I

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<v Speaker 2>was wondering that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you got to Nashville, what was your plan?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what were you trying to do? Did you have

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<v Speaker 2>steps that you wanted to follow? Like how did you

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<v Speaker 2>even know what to do or where to go?

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that I needed to get better at my songwriting,

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<v Speaker 4>and I knew that, and I was like, really, the

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<v Speaker 4>only way for me to do that is like start.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting tips from other people.

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<v Speaker 4>And I always said, like, I want to be the

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<v Speaker 4>worst writer in the room. For several years, I would

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<v Speaker 4>walk from my campor trailer into the studio into Jerry

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<v Speaker 4>keep it studio and we'd write music. So we wrote

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred plus songs together, and wow, he really taught

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<v Speaker 4>me how to write a song. And even when I

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<v Speaker 4>was little, like he would stop by my house when

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<v Speaker 4>I was nine years old write music and be like like,

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<v Speaker 4>let me hear that song you wrote, and I'd sing

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<v Speaker 4>it and he'd be like, okay, but like if you're

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<v Speaker 4>if you're singing about a truck, like why'd you put

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<v Speaker 4>this line here?

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<v Speaker 3>And like let's talk about it. He's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>well what color is the truck?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like coaching me through it, and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>how does that truck make you feel?

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<v Speaker 3>And and really just like asked me a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of questions that I started asking myself when I

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<v Speaker 4>sat down to write a song. So I will say

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<v Speaker 4>for the first few years, I was pretty much just

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<v Speaker 4>writing with him, because the thing is like you move

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<v Speaker 4>somewhere and you think you have it kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>slightly figured out, and the truth is you just have

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<v Speaker 4>no damn clue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know where to start, and so that felt

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<v Speaker 4>safe to me. That felt comfortable. And then once he

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<v Speaker 4>passed away, I will never forget like he walked down

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<v Speaker 4>the stairs one day and I just kind of had

0:27:06.636 --> 0:27:08.396
<v Speaker 4>this feeling. I was like, he's not gonna make it.

0:27:08.796 --> 0:27:12.636
<v Speaker 4>He was only fifty nine years old, and wow, he

0:27:12.716 --> 0:27:14.316
<v Speaker 4>was like my second daddy. I mean, when you write

0:27:14.316 --> 0:27:16.916
<v Speaker 4>three hundred songs to somebody, you get.

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<v Speaker 3>To know them totally. They get to know you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember him coming down and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>if something happens to me, basically, don't let this stop you,

0:27:28.556 --> 0:27:31.076
<v Speaker 3>Like I need you to keep going, and like I

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<v Speaker 3>need you to like kind of carry on carry on

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<v Speaker 3>what I've taught you pretty much. And the business had.

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<v Speaker 4>Changed a lot, a lot a lot from the time,

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<v Speaker 4>like he had a lot of success in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 4>by the time I got there twenty eleven, the business

0:27:47.356 --> 0:27:50.476
<v Speaker 4>had already started changing, meaning like you know, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>really aware that like me actually being out and about

0:27:54.116 --> 0:27:57.436
<v Speaker 4>was a good thing, you know, like me going and

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<v Speaker 4>doing writers nights and writers' rounds and like going places

0:28:00.596 --> 0:28:02.956
<v Speaker 4>and meeting people, because I think in the nineties it

0:28:03.076 --> 0:28:06.076
<v Speaker 4>was more of like a you're right and you like

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<v Speaker 4>record a record and then you just kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>come out of nowhere kind of thing. Oh wow. And

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<v Speaker 4>so at that point, once he passed away, I thought, Okay, well,

0:28:16.076 --> 0:28:19.156
<v Speaker 4>you know, my security blanket or whatever you want to

0:28:19.196 --> 0:28:21.556
<v Speaker 4>call that is gone, and I got to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's been a lot of moments for me where

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<v Speaker 4>I've had to like switch gears, and I just remember thinking, Okay, well,

0:28:28.756 --> 0:28:32.316
<v Speaker 4>I know that the strongest thing about what I do

0:28:33.236 --> 0:28:38.196
<v Speaker 4>is my songwriting. I thought, Okay, well, how how can

0:28:38.236 --> 0:28:40.556
<v Speaker 4>I just write with as many people as I possibly can?

0:28:40.636 --> 0:28:44.316
<v Speaker 4>How can I become friends with everybody? And so it

0:28:44.716 --> 0:28:47.276
<v Speaker 4>wasn't like I was like faking being friends with people.

0:28:47.316 --> 0:28:50.476
<v Speaker 4>I just knew that, like I realized quick that relationships

0:28:50.516 --> 0:28:54.156
<v Speaker 4>in this town matter, and I knew that they might

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<v Speaker 4>not remember the song I wrote or the show that

0:28:57.356 --> 0:28:58.276
<v Speaker 4>I played, but they.

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<v Speaker 3>Might remember the way that I made him feel. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I just led with that.

0:29:02.996 --> 0:29:06.196
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I knew that my time would come

0:29:06.756 --> 0:29:09.756
<v Speaker 4>and just like fashion goes in and out, and I

0:29:09.836 --> 0:29:13.396
<v Speaker 4>knew that like what I do would maybe be cool again,

0:29:13.796 --> 0:29:17.636
<v Speaker 4>you know, Yeah, And I think timon is everything.

0:29:18.356 --> 0:29:20.276
<v Speaker 2>While you were working with Jerry, was the goal to

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<v Speaker 2>write songs and then pick the best out of the

0:29:24.156 --> 0:29:27.436
<v Speaker 2>three hundred and put together a demo and shop that around.

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<v Speaker 3>And we did.

0:29:28.596 --> 0:29:31.796
<v Speaker 4>We actually we went into the studio because he had

0:29:31.836 --> 0:29:35.596
<v Speaker 4>like a studio, like a super cool setup, and we

0:29:35.596 --> 0:29:38.476
<v Speaker 4>would get in there and we made this record and

0:29:39.836 --> 0:29:44.116
<v Speaker 4>we shopped it. We shopped it around to quite a

0:29:44.116 --> 0:29:48.396
<v Speaker 4>few major labels. I know that I definitely met with Sony,

0:29:48.716 --> 0:29:53.876
<v Speaker 4>I met with Warner, and I remember sitting there and

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<v Speaker 4>just thinking, like I kind of knew in my gut

0:29:57.236 --> 0:29:59.276
<v Speaker 4>that these folks are not gonna sign me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that I just knew?

0:30:02.476 --> 0:30:05.236
<v Speaker 3>Like I just knew. I was like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>believe it, you know.

0:30:06.236 --> 0:30:08.556
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to believe that when I got here at

0:30:08.596 --> 0:30:09.916
<v Speaker 4>nineteen and I could just write to.

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<v Speaker 3>Music and be on the route.

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<v Speaker 4>But yep, it's like the more that I got to

0:30:14.436 --> 0:30:15.996
<v Speaker 4>know the business and the more that I got to

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<v Speaker 4>know really how this machine works, and it's a crazy

0:30:18.916 --> 0:30:22.116
<v Speaker 4>one that that's not how my journey was gonna be.

0:30:22.236 --> 0:30:25.156
<v Speaker 4>And I kind of just like swallowed that pill, and

0:30:25.276 --> 0:30:26.596
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Okay, well here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What you gonna do? Like, if it don't happen when

0:30:29.996 --> 0:30:32.196
<v Speaker 3>you want it to, does that mean going home?

0:30:32.756 --> 0:30:33.116
<v Speaker 4>Will know?

0:30:33.956 --> 0:30:35.996
<v Speaker 3>You know? Does that mean that you're gonna stop doing

0:30:35.996 --> 0:30:37.596
<v Speaker 3>what you love? We'll know.

0:30:38.036 --> 0:30:39.876
<v Speaker 4>I just figure out how to make ends meet. I

0:30:39.956 --> 0:30:43.716
<v Speaker 4>was still traveling, playing shows. Like I said, I've been

0:30:43.716 --> 0:30:48.196
<v Speaker 4>touring since eighth grade because I had impersonated to Hannah,

0:30:48.196 --> 0:30:50.916
<v Speaker 4>Montana for five years, and then after that I was

0:30:50.916 --> 0:30:53.156
<v Speaker 4>in a band in Louisiana, and then once I moved

0:30:53.156 --> 0:30:57.516
<v Speaker 4>to Nashville. I would every single weekend, I would travel

0:30:57.756 --> 0:31:01.796
<v Speaker 4>wherever would let me come play four hours anywhere and

0:31:01.836 --> 0:31:05.916
<v Speaker 4>say yourself by myself, by myself and just me and

0:31:05.956 --> 0:31:08.716
<v Speaker 4>a guitar, singing a bunch of covers, and every now huh,

0:31:08.796 --> 0:31:12.636
<v Speaker 4>I would throw in original just to see if people

0:31:12.796 --> 0:31:13.316
<v Speaker 4>liked it or not.

0:31:14.556 --> 0:31:18.316
<v Speaker 3>They did not care. We definitely glowed up. I'll tell

0:31:18.316 --> 0:31:23.956
<v Speaker 3>you that we glowed up. We did. But it's been a.

0:31:23.956 --> 0:31:28.596
<v Speaker 4>Journey and it's still a journey. Yeah, it's constantly changing.

0:31:28.836 --> 0:31:31.076
<v Speaker 4>I mean there for a long time. Like I was

0:31:31.076 --> 0:31:33.356
<v Speaker 4>in town for seven years before I got a publishing deal,

0:31:34.196 --> 0:31:38.676
<v Speaker 4>and it was year eight I got a record deal.

0:31:38.716 --> 0:31:41.236
<v Speaker 4>But I knew then that like, okay, just because you

0:31:41.236 --> 0:31:44.636
<v Speaker 4>got a record deal, I don't mean shit that means.

0:31:44.676 --> 0:31:46.316
<v Speaker 2>So how did you know that though? Because I feel

0:31:46.356 --> 0:31:48.556
<v Speaker 2>like everyone thinks once you get the record deal, you're good.

0:31:48.916 --> 0:31:50.036
<v Speaker 3>Because I saw.

0:31:51.316 --> 0:31:53.236
<v Speaker 4>I would like to sit back and just watch what

0:31:53.276 --> 0:31:55.116
<v Speaker 4>was happening with other people, and I saw that the

0:31:55.356 --> 0:31:57.596
<v Speaker 4>people would sign, because people would move to.

0:31:57.476 --> 0:32:01.196
<v Speaker 3>Town and be here a month and just pass me

0:32:01.356 --> 0:32:01.956
<v Speaker 3>right on up.

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<v Speaker 4>Sign a published a deal, sign a record deal, and

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<v Speaker 4>then a year or two would go by and I'm like, okay,

0:32:08.196 --> 0:32:11.876
<v Speaker 4>well I hadn't heard anything, you know, like what's going

0:32:11.876 --> 0:32:13.836
<v Speaker 4>on or are these are they putting these folks on

0:32:13.836 --> 0:32:17.396
<v Speaker 4>a shelf or is it something that they're not doing

0:32:17.436 --> 0:32:19.316
<v Speaker 4>on there? Like it was just a lot of thoughts,

0:32:19.316 --> 0:32:21.316
<v Speaker 4>and I think it really is probably a combination of

0:32:21.356 --> 0:32:22.236
<v Speaker 4>both of those things.

0:32:22.796 --> 0:32:24.156
<v Speaker 3>But I just knew.

0:32:24.156 --> 0:32:27.396
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Okay, these years that I put under

0:32:27.436 --> 0:32:30.116
<v Speaker 4>my belt, and they definitely started before I even moved

0:32:30.116 --> 0:32:33.156
<v Speaker 4>to Nashville. That was me just kind of like preparing

0:32:33.596 --> 0:32:36.676
<v Speaker 4>the grip. Yeah, and then like signing my record deal

0:32:36.796 --> 0:32:40.356
<v Speaker 4>is when I really just kind of like entered the race.

0:32:40.996 --> 0:32:44.076
<v Speaker 4>And then I knew that even years after I signed

0:32:44.076 --> 0:32:45.876
<v Speaker 4>a record deal, like there was going to be some

0:32:45.956 --> 0:32:48.876
<v Speaker 4>work that I had to do, meaning like I knew

0:32:49.396 --> 0:32:52.876
<v Speaker 4>especially during that time it was well, like I said,

0:32:52.876 --> 0:32:55.356
<v Speaker 4>I signed my record deal in twenty eighteen, I had

0:32:55.396 --> 0:32:58.716
<v Speaker 4>noticed that a lot of people knew the songs that

0:32:58.756 --> 0:33:02.236
<v Speaker 4>were on the radio, but they didn't know the artist

0:33:02.836 --> 0:33:04.196
<v Speaker 4>and they didn't know who sang it.

0:33:04.356 --> 0:33:06.916
<v Speaker 3>That you could start singing I know a few things

0:33:06.956 --> 0:33:10.236
<v Speaker 3>and then ought to know and you'd be like, who's

0:33:10.276 --> 0:33:12.076
<v Speaker 3>sang that? And they're like, I don't. I don't know,

0:33:12.116 --> 0:33:12.876
<v Speaker 3>but I know the song.

0:33:13.396 --> 0:33:16.876
<v Speaker 4>And that's what happened after our first hit, and I

0:33:16.876 --> 0:33:19.796
<v Speaker 4>will tell you I was shocked. It just reminded me

0:33:19.876 --> 0:33:21.956
<v Speaker 4>that that was actually a thing in this business that

0:33:22.156 --> 0:33:25.196
<v Speaker 4>like the songs are the are the like are the

0:33:25.236 --> 0:33:26.116
<v Speaker 4>popular things.

0:33:26.116 --> 0:33:28.156
<v Speaker 3>But I have seen a transition.

0:33:28.876 --> 0:33:31.516
<v Speaker 4>I think after like the pandemic, I started seeing people

0:33:31.636 --> 0:33:35.476
<v Speaker 4>really start like connecting to the artist and wanting to

0:33:35.596 --> 0:33:39.596
<v Speaker 4>know more about more about the artist and their story,

0:33:39.796 --> 0:33:43.756
<v Speaker 4>and like being invested in the artistry rather than just

0:33:43.836 --> 0:33:44.276
<v Speaker 4>a song.

0:33:45.236 --> 0:33:47.476
<v Speaker 2>Who are some artists that you think that first started

0:33:47.476 --> 0:33:48.196
<v Speaker 2>to happen with.

0:33:49.316 --> 0:33:53.316
<v Speaker 4>I definitely think it was like Luke Holmb's uh huh.

0:33:53.516 --> 0:33:57.996
<v Speaker 4>I think that's where the shift started happening. And he

0:33:58.076 --> 0:34:00.796
<v Speaker 4>and I have been friends since twenty fourteen. He used

0:34:00.836 --> 0:34:03.836
<v Speaker 4>to come over to my camper and we'd write music together.

0:34:03.916 --> 0:34:06.636
<v Speaker 4>But you know, he's like a good old boy and

0:34:06.316 --> 0:34:08.876
<v Speaker 4>he and hewheared Wilumbia shirts and he drinks out of

0:34:09.276 --> 0:34:11.316
<v Speaker 4>woke up and like, I think a lot of people

0:34:11.316 --> 0:34:13.356
<v Speaker 4>felt like, well, he's simple, just like me.

0:34:13.876 --> 0:34:17.116
<v Speaker 3>You know. It's just the way that they can connect

0:34:17.116 --> 0:34:17.876
<v Speaker 3>to the person to.

0:34:19.116 --> 0:34:21.396
<v Speaker 2>So did you know back then when you were you

0:34:21.436 --> 0:34:25.516
<v Speaker 2>guys were writing music in twenty fourteen. Did you recognize that, like,

0:34:25.596 --> 0:34:27.876
<v Speaker 2>maybe his story could be part of his appeal?

0:34:28.636 --> 0:34:30.316
<v Speaker 3>I knew it. I knew it.

0:34:31.156 --> 0:34:34.236
<v Speaker 4>There was something about him, and that's why I walked

0:34:34.276 --> 0:34:36.636
<v Speaker 4>up to him the very first night I met him

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<v Speaker 4>at a place called Tin Roof on Demumbrian It's called

0:34:40.636 --> 0:34:43.516
<v Speaker 4>ten Roof Revival, and they had a church pew and

0:34:43.556 --> 0:34:46.236
<v Speaker 4>people would get up there and tell their stories and

0:34:46.236 --> 0:34:48.556
<v Speaker 4>sing their songs. And he had not made like a

0:34:48.556 --> 0:34:52.276
<v Speaker 4>writing trip to Nashville just yet, but I remember like

0:34:52.316 --> 0:34:53.956
<v Speaker 4>walking up to him and tapping while.

0:34:53.756 --> 0:34:57.316
<v Speaker 3>He was sitting on the pew and being like, I

0:34:57.356 --> 0:34:59.716
<v Speaker 3>want to write with you, and he's like, who is

0:34:59.876 --> 0:35:01.556
<v Speaker 3>you know? Who are you? Or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>And so the next time he made a trip to Nashville,

0:35:05.236 --> 0:35:09.836
<v Speaker 4>he came over my camper and we wrote and I kind.

0:35:09.636 --> 0:35:12.236
<v Speaker 3>Of just felt like like I knew him.

0:35:12.716 --> 0:35:15.916
<v Speaker 4>And Yeah, there's something really special about that when you

0:35:15.916 --> 0:35:18.796
<v Speaker 4>can sit down with somebody and you don't even have

0:35:18.836 --> 0:35:21.876
<v Speaker 4>to like sit there and like really get to know him,

0:35:22.196 --> 0:35:23.516
<v Speaker 4>you just feel like you just kind of do.

0:35:24.196 --> 0:35:26.676
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what makes him so special with his fans.

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<v Speaker 2>At what point did you realize that you have an

0:35:30.036 --> 0:35:33.396
<v Speaker 2>incredible story and that your story could be part of

0:35:33.436 --> 0:35:36.676
<v Speaker 2>your like part of the full package. Was that something

0:35:36.716 --> 0:35:38.076
<v Speaker 2>you knew on your own or was that when you

0:35:38.116 --> 0:35:40.916
<v Speaker 2>got with your manager or with the label.

0:35:41.036 --> 0:35:43.636
<v Speaker 3>So my manager and I have been working together about

0:35:43.716 --> 0:35:47.316
<v Speaker 3>nine years and she's my best friend, and it's a

0:35:47.356 --> 0:35:50.476
<v Speaker 3>funny story because neither one of us had anything going on.

0:35:50.596 --> 0:35:55.316
<v Speaker 3>She was working for an entertainment lawyer, and she kind

0:35:55.316 --> 0:35:58.276
<v Speaker 3>of felt sorry for me because she's like, like, I

0:35:58.316 --> 0:35:58.876
<v Speaker 3>think she's.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of good, but like, why is nobody wanting to

0:36:01.476 --> 0:36:04.316
<v Speaker 4>write music with her? And why is like, you know,

0:36:04.356 --> 0:36:06.236
<v Speaker 4>why are these things happening for other people but not

0:36:06.316 --> 0:36:08.916
<v Speaker 4>for her? Like she was kind of just like she

0:36:09.156 --> 0:36:13.036
<v Speaker 4>felt bad for me. And so she would get songwriters'

0:36:13.076 --> 0:36:16.396
<v Speaker 4>email addresses from this company that she was working for.

0:36:17.116 --> 0:36:20.876
<v Speaker 3>You would send them my music and a lot of

0:36:20.956 --> 0:36:24.196
<v Speaker 3>times nobody, nobody would even respond. I mean, she's like, hey,

0:36:24.276 --> 0:36:25.876
<v Speaker 3>would you like to write with this girl? Blah blah

0:36:25.876 --> 0:36:26.836
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah.

0:36:27.076 --> 0:36:29.676
<v Speaker 4>But if anything, it just started kind of like my

0:36:29.796 --> 0:36:33.556
<v Speaker 4>name started circulating around town a little bit more, and

0:36:33.556 --> 0:36:36.956
<v Speaker 4>then I think eventually people were like, why do I

0:36:37.036 --> 0:36:39.356
<v Speaker 4>keep hearing this name? And it was because of those

0:36:39.396 --> 0:36:41.396
<v Speaker 4>friendships that I had made, and I had never really

0:36:41.436 --> 0:36:45.956
<v Speaker 4>asked anybody for anything. There were a lot of songwriters

0:36:45.996 --> 0:36:48.716
<v Speaker 4>that I had relationships with that we had never written,

0:36:49.276 --> 0:36:51.836
<v Speaker 4>but I never wanted to abuse.

0:36:51.796 --> 0:36:53.676
<v Speaker 3>Our friendship and our relationship.

0:36:53.716 --> 0:36:56.476
<v Speaker 4>I felt like they had been here longer than I had,

0:36:56.596 --> 0:36:59.476
<v Speaker 4>and like they had a few you know, songs under

0:36:59.476 --> 0:37:01.876
<v Speaker 4>their belt and stuff like that, and we were gonna

0:37:01.876 --> 0:37:06.156
<v Speaker 4>write when we were supposed to. I realized once Mandolin

0:37:06.236 --> 0:37:10.596
<v Speaker 4>and I my manager really just like that down and

0:37:10.636 --> 0:37:11.796
<v Speaker 4>started brainstorming.

0:37:12.516 --> 0:37:17.596
<v Speaker 3>Uh, during the pandemic is when I realized, Okay, this

0:37:17.716 --> 0:37:19.436
<v Speaker 3>don't have to be just about the songs.

0:37:19.476 --> 0:37:19.676
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:37:20.836 --> 0:37:24.556
<v Speaker 4>We knew that our story basically just showed a lot

0:37:24.556 --> 0:37:27.876
<v Speaker 4>of like determination and yeap in grit, and I noticed

0:37:27.876 --> 0:37:30.076
<v Speaker 4>that a lot of like even when I went on

0:37:30.156 --> 0:37:33.876
<v Speaker 4>radio tour, a lot of the radio pds, they were

0:37:33.916 --> 0:37:36.476
<v Speaker 4>like wanting to hear about my story, and they were

0:37:36.556 --> 0:37:40.036
<v Speaker 4>wanting to know if I, you know, if I basically

0:37:40.076 --> 0:37:43.596
<v Speaker 4>meant everything I said in that song mm hmm. And

0:37:43.756 --> 0:37:46.556
<v Speaker 4>I think that's probably where I realized that this is

0:37:46.596 --> 0:37:47.276
<v Speaker 4>gonna get fun.

0:37:48.516 --> 0:37:52.036
<v Speaker 2>How important is it in country music that the stories

0:37:52.036 --> 0:37:56.036
<v Speaker 2>that you telling your songs are true. How important is

0:37:56.116 --> 0:37:58.076
<v Speaker 2>authenticity in country music?

0:37:58.756 --> 0:38:02.756
<v Speaker 4>Our first single, the first verse says, I can change

0:38:02.756 --> 0:38:04.156
<v Speaker 4>the tire on the side of the road.

0:38:04.796 --> 0:38:07.636
<v Speaker 3>And I wasn't even thinking twice about writing that line.

0:38:08.356 --> 0:38:10.636
<v Speaker 4>But then if everybody didn't want to talk about it,

0:38:10.676 --> 0:38:12.236
<v Speaker 4>and I want to want to know if I could

0:38:12.316 --> 0:38:12.916
<v Speaker 4>really do that?

0:38:13.796 --> 0:38:15.596
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, it's fun.

0:38:15.996 --> 0:38:18.796
<v Speaker 4>But I will tell you the songs that I end

0:38:18.876 --> 0:38:20.836
<v Speaker 4>up recording and the ones that I put on my

0:38:20.916 --> 0:38:24.956
<v Speaker 4>record are definitely who I am, and they tell like

0:38:25.076 --> 0:38:27.756
<v Speaker 4>my story to the core, and that has seemed to

0:38:27.796 --> 0:38:30.556
<v Speaker 4>like work the best for me. But like I said,

0:38:30.716 --> 0:38:33.356
<v Speaker 4>you know, songs like I did, like with Hardy about

0:38:33.396 --> 0:38:36.836
<v Speaker 4>the domestic abuse. Like I said, I didn't go through that,

0:38:37.316 --> 0:38:40.916
<v Speaker 4>But I think back to like nineties country music, and

0:38:40.956 --> 0:38:44.276
<v Speaker 4>I think about like that storytelling aspect of it, and

0:38:44.316 --> 0:38:47.996
<v Speaker 4>so sometimes I don't think it has to be your story.

0:38:48.076 --> 0:38:51.596
<v Speaker 4>I think you're just telling a story for somebody and

0:38:52.156 --> 0:38:55.676
<v Speaker 4>like stepping into the shoes of another character. And those

0:38:55.716 --> 0:38:57.516
<v Speaker 4>are some of my favorite songs to write.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of your favorite nineties storytelling songs?

0:39:01.316 --> 0:39:06.236
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, like thunder Rolls and Goodbye Earl and

0:39:06.716 --> 0:39:08.676
<v Speaker 3>Whiskey Lullabye.

0:39:08.196 --> 0:39:12.756
<v Speaker 4>And there's so many songs like that that I didn't

0:39:12.796 --> 0:39:14.916
<v Speaker 4>even know what I was singing about when I was that,

0:39:15.356 --> 0:39:16.916
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like I was over here

0:39:16.996 --> 0:39:18.356
<v Speaker 4>playing the murder ballads.

0:39:19.996 --> 0:39:21.116
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny.

0:39:21.996 --> 0:39:23.196
<v Speaker 3>What did you grow up listening to?

0:39:24.036 --> 0:39:24.156
<v Speaker 4>So?

0:39:24.316 --> 0:39:28.796
<v Speaker 2>I grew up listening to mostly hip hop, R and

0:39:28.836 --> 0:39:32.196
<v Speaker 2>B reggae, but then I had like a big grateful

0:39:32.276 --> 0:39:38.996
<v Speaker 2>Dead era grunge of course, like Nirvana. Yeah, and I

0:39:38.996 --> 0:39:41.916
<v Speaker 2>would I would just embarrassing to tell you, but I

0:39:41.916 --> 0:39:44.716
<v Speaker 2>would tell people like be like, oh, what kind of

0:39:44.756 --> 0:39:47.036
<v Speaker 2>music you into? And it'd be like, everything but country.

0:39:47.836 --> 0:39:48.476
<v Speaker 3>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it, though, because there's a time during country

0:39:53.116 --> 0:39:54.956
<v Speaker 4>that like even my mama felt that way.

0:39:55.716 --> 0:39:58.236
<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, my mama was like, I'm not a real

0:39:58.316 --> 0:39:58.796
<v Speaker 3>fan of.

0:39:58.836 --> 0:40:02.796
<v Speaker 4>Like that Debbie Downer stuff, you know, like won't won't won't.

0:40:03.636 --> 0:40:05.036
<v Speaker 3>So I get it.

0:40:05.476 --> 0:40:07.916
<v Speaker 2>Really, did you ever listen to anything else but country?

0:40:08.316 --> 0:40:11.836
<v Speaker 3>I listened to rock and roll, like that's what you know.

0:40:11.876 --> 0:40:15.396
<v Speaker 3>When the sun went down and the drinks came out, yep.

0:40:15.436 --> 0:40:18.516
<v Speaker 4>Everybody wanted to hear something with a loud guitar and

0:40:18.996 --> 0:40:22.596
<v Speaker 4>extra thomp, like whether it was Rolling Stones or Leonard

0:40:22.596 --> 0:40:26.596
<v Speaker 4>Skinnyerd or Bob Seeger, and I think all those folks

0:40:26.636 --> 0:40:28.116
<v Speaker 4>have influenced country.

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<v Speaker 1>After another quick break, we'll be back with more from

0:40:31.716 --> 0:40:39.116
<v Speaker 1>Laney Wilson. Here's the rest of Leo Rose's conversation with

0:40:39.196 --> 0:40:39.956
<v Speaker 1>Laney Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything with this new album with Whirlwind? Is

0:40:43.196 --> 0:40:45.556
<v Speaker 2>there anything now that it's been out for about a month?

0:40:46.196 --> 0:40:49.876
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that you're just really surprised people are

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<v Speaker 2>missing or aren't asking you about.

0:40:52.956 --> 0:40:54.396
<v Speaker 3>That's a really great question.

0:40:55.236 --> 0:40:59.596
<v Speaker 4>It seems like they're asking all the questions that I

0:40:59.636 --> 0:41:02.756
<v Speaker 4>assumed they would, or like they're paying attention to the

0:41:02.836 --> 0:41:06.236
<v Speaker 4>things that, like I was paying attention to when I

0:41:06.276 --> 0:41:06.836
<v Speaker 4>was writing it.

0:41:07.316 --> 0:41:10.436
<v Speaker 3>I think my fans are smart. You can't get much vibe,

0:41:10.516 --> 0:41:11.276
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

0:41:11.516 --> 0:41:15.316
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like when you think you do, somebody's still going

0:41:15.396 --> 0:41:17.316
<v Speaker 4>to be like, I see what you did there, or

0:41:17.396 --> 0:41:19.156
<v Speaker 4>I see why you did it.

0:41:19.156 --> 0:41:21.556
<v Speaker 2>It seems like now that your relationship has gone public,

0:41:21.596 --> 0:41:23.996
<v Speaker 2>people maybe are trying to dig and get more information

0:41:24.076 --> 0:41:26.836
<v Speaker 2>about what's really going on or what you're thinking or what.

0:41:28.356 --> 0:41:31.356
<v Speaker 4>It is so funny, It really is so funny, And

0:41:31.356 --> 0:41:34.876
<v Speaker 4>that's kind of been fun too. Like my daddy used

0:41:34.876 --> 0:41:36.796
<v Speaker 4>to always say, if you tell all your business, you

0:41:36.796 --> 0:41:40.316
<v Speaker 4>ain't got none, and so to a certain extent, you know,

0:41:40.516 --> 0:41:43.956
<v Speaker 4>I want to make sure that I keep our relationship

0:41:44.036 --> 0:41:47.436
<v Speaker 4>like as closed off and like sacred as I possibly can,

0:41:47.516 --> 0:41:50.836
<v Speaker 4>because like you involve social media and everything like.

0:41:50.796 --> 0:41:54.836
<v Speaker 3>That and you can open a can of worms. Oh definitely,

0:41:55.396 --> 0:41:56.916
<v Speaker 3>and we I mean we've been dating.

0:41:56.716 --> 0:42:00.516
<v Speaker 4>Almost four years and people even know I had a

0:42:00.516 --> 0:42:02.196
<v Speaker 4>boyfriend until about a year ago.

0:42:03.316 --> 0:42:05.116
<v Speaker 2>Was that part of the plan, like to be Is

0:42:05.156 --> 0:42:10.756
<v Speaker 2>it more attractive for you to be single? Do you

0:42:10.796 --> 0:42:12.516
<v Speaker 2>think there is.

0:42:13.476 --> 0:42:19.396
<v Speaker 3>A time definitely where it sucks to say, but like

0:42:19.436 --> 0:42:20.716
<v Speaker 3>as a female.

0:42:20.316 --> 0:42:24.276
<v Speaker 4>In the business, not even like that I needed to

0:42:24.316 --> 0:42:26.716
<v Speaker 4>be like single, but I just needed to prove a

0:42:26.756 --> 0:42:31.076
<v Speaker 4>point that like like I'm here, I'm here to show

0:42:31.156 --> 0:42:33.956
<v Speaker 4>up and do business. Like I don't have anything like

0:42:34.276 --> 0:42:37.516
<v Speaker 4>sidetracking me or anything, and I never have.

0:42:37.676 --> 0:42:41.556
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's been nothing but my biggest supporter and cheerleader.

0:42:41.596 --> 0:42:45.476
<v Speaker 4>But like it is weird how people you know the thing,

0:42:45.556 --> 0:42:47.916
<v Speaker 4>Oh she's all bowed up. Now next next thing, you know,

0:42:47.956 --> 0:42:49.756
<v Speaker 4>she's gonna have a baby and get married, and like

0:42:49.796 --> 0:42:53.756
<v Speaker 4>she's all washed, and that right there has got to change.

0:42:53.916 --> 0:42:57.156
<v Speaker 4>I have some of the most talented friends who are

0:42:57.196 --> 0:43:00.956
<v Speaker 4>gonna do so well and they have kids and ain't like,

0:43:01.436 --> 0:43:04.476
<v Speaker 4>guess what us ladies, we can do it all.

0:43:05.196 --> 0:43:06.676
<v Speaker 3>Hell, yeah we can.

0:43:07.356 --> 0:43:11.116
<v Speaker 2>It seems like when your first single things a man

0:43:11.196 --> 0:43:13.676
<v Speaker 2>ought to Know? Like when that did that become a

0:43:13.756 --> 0:43:16.716
<v Speaker 2>number one song on country radio? Okay? And that was

0:43:16.796 --> 0:43:19.436
<v Speaker 2>kind of a rare thing for a female artist in

0:43:19.476 --> 0:43:20.956
<v Speaker 2>country radio at the time, right.

0:43:21.276 --> 0:43:24.676
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, it had been a minute for sure.

0:43:25.316 --> 0:43:29.716
<v Speaker 4>I feel a shift that was Was it twenty one, Yeah,

0:43:29.796 --> 0:43:33.356
<v Speaker 4>twenty one when I had my first hit, And it's

0:43:33.356 --> 0:43:35.916
<v Speaker 4>so crazy to think that it's really only been three years.

0:43:36.316 --> 0:43:37.916
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's like, not that

0:43:38.036 --> 0:43:38.836
<v Speaker 2>long ago, not.

0:43:38.796 --> 0:43:40.836
<v Speaker 3>That long ago. And we had a lot of a

0:43:40.836 --> 0:43:43.636
<v Speaker 3>lot of like radio hits since then.

0:43:43.796 --> 0:43:47.236
<v Speaker 4>And I'm starting to see more females pop up, and

0:43:48.396 --> 0:43:51.516
<v Speaker 4>it's good for me to see, like I have so

0:43:51.596 --> 0:43:54.876
<v Speaker 4>many of the women who came before me to think

0:43:55.036 --> 0:43:58.836
<v Speaker 4>and like, I know, the only reason I'm where I'm at,

0:43:58.876 --> 0:44:01.276
<v Speaker 4>and the only reason that I'm on the radio and

0:44:01.316 --> 0:44:04.316
<v Speaker 4>winning awards and all these other things is because of

0:44:04.396 --> 0:44:05.396
<v Speaker 4>the work that they put in.

0:44:05.916 --> 0:44:08.036
<v Speaker 3>And well it's not the only reason, it's not the

0:44:08.076 --> 0:44:08.676
<v Speaker 3>only reason.

0:44:09.556 --> 0:44:12.196
<v Speaker 2>Don't give them that much it's not that because of you.

0:44:12.476 --> 0:44:14.276
<v Speaker 3>I busted my ass.

0:44:13.956 --> 0:44:16.116
<v Speaker 2>For sure, and you're you're really good at it.

0:44:16.116 --> 0:44:20.476
<v Speaker 4>Too, thank you, But like I know that. I mean,

0:44:20.516 --> 0:44:23.756
<v Speaker 4>like you think about think about Dolly Parton, and you

0:44:23.796 --> 0:44:27.716
<v Speaker 4>think about like every trail that she's had to go

0:44:27.796 --> 0:44:30.596
<v Speaker 4>down and just like black over and over again, and

0:44:30.636 --> 0:44:33.356
<v Speaker 4>then like here comes Reba and then she has to

0:44:33.396 --> 0:44:37.676
<v Speaker 4>continue like blazing trails, and then the ladies of the

0:44:37.756 --> 0:44:42.356
<v Speaker 4>nineties and then like Miranda Lambert and Carry Underwood and.

0:44:42.276 --> 0:44:45.596
<v Speaker 3>Like those girls. There's there's not been a lot of

0:44:46.276 --> 0:44:47.956
<v Speaker 3>girls in the mix, and.

0:44:47.876 --> 0:44:50.676
<v Speaker 4>I think even now, like I'm gonna have to continue

0:44:50.796 --> 0:44:53.956
<v Speaker 4>doing that? Are the ones coming up? They're I don't

0:44:53.996 --> 0:44:55.916
<v Speaker 4>have to continue doing that for each other too.

0:44:56.876 --> 0:44:59.236
<v Speaker 2>So you signed your record deal, you met your manager

0:44:59.716 --> 0:45:02.956
<v Speaker 2>before the first single came out. When did your whole

0:45:02.996 --> 0:45:05.756
<v Speaker 2>package kind of solidify and all come together with like

0:45:06.116 --> 0:45:10.476
<v Speaker 2>the bell bottoms, the look, your story, the songs, Like

0:45:10.596 --> 0:45:13.676
<v Speaker 2>when did everything kind of fit together? Was there a

0:45:13.716 --> 0:45:16.116
<v Speaker 2>moment where you're like, all right, we have it, it's

0:45:16.196 --> 0:45:19.116
<v Speaker 2>complete and it's ready to yeap push out there.

0:45:19.716 --> 0:45:25.676
<v Speaker 4>So I started wearing bell bottoms twenty fifteen, so about

0:45:25.796 --> 0:45:28.756
<v Speaker 4>nine years now, and even my old skinny jeans. My

0:45:28.796 --> 0:45:31.516
<v Speaker 4>granny sewed fabric into the side and made them in

0:45:31.596 --> 0:45:32.756
<v Speaker 4>the billbottoms.

0:45:34.156 --> 0:45:35.956
<v Speaker 2>Why did you decide to do the bell bottoms? Because

0:45:35.956 --> 0:45:38.636
<v Speaker 2>it was good with like because I look up on

0:45:38.756 --> 0:45:40.836
<v Speaker 2>like Pinterest and stuff for like how to dress my

0:45:40.876 --> 0:45:43.636
<v Speaker 2>body shape, and a lot of times it'll be yea

0:45:43.756 --> 0:45:46.276
<v Speaker 2>like tell me to do the bell bottoms.

0:45:46.356 --> 0:45:48.836
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you got a bell bottom, you might want

0:45:48.836 --> 0:45:51.836
<v Speaker 3>to wear beil bottoms. Totally, I'm telling you.

0:45:52.396 --> 0:45:55.836
<v Speaker 4>I realized really quick that like I couldn't just be

0:45:55.876 --> 0:45:59.396
<v Speaker 4>a decent singer songwriter mm hmm, like if I wanted

0:45:59.396 --> 0:46:01.716
<v Speaker 4>to really cut through in this business and have people

0:46:01.716 --> 0:46:05.196
<v Speaker 4>remember me, and even if it kind of made them

0:46:05.196 --> 0:46:07.076
<v Speaker 4>like raise their eyebrows a little bit and be like,

0:46:07.836 --> 0:46:10.676
<v Speaker 4>what in the world is she wearing? I remember thinking

0:46:10.716 --> 0:46:13.956
<v Speaker 4>back to like, Okay, what can I do that makes

0:46:13.956 --> 0:46:16.876
<v Speaker 4>me like stand out? But that is also like real

0:46:16.996 --> 0:46:19.396
<v Speaker 4>to me? And I thought back to this pair of

0:46:19.396 --> 0:46:22.116
<v Speaker 4>bell bottoms I got one same year wrote my first

0:46:22.116 --> 0:46:25.156
<v Speaker 4>song the same year I went to Nashville for the

0:46:25.196 --> 0:46:29.796
<v Speaker 4>first time, nine years old, and I remember how those

0:46:29.796 --> 0:46:33.356
<v Speaker 4>bell bottoms made me feel, and I felt like I

0:46:33.516 --> 0:46:36.116
<v Speaker 4>dance around the house and those things and sing, and

0:46:36.716 --> 0:46:39.436
<v Speaker 4>my sister had this this spotlight and we turned all

0:46:39.476 --> 0:46:41.396
<v Speaker 4>the lights out in the house and she followed me

0:46:41.436 --> 0:46:44.156
<v Speaker 4>every step of the way, like, you know, pretend I

0:46:44.196 --> 0:46:48.596
<v Speaker 4>was doing a show, and that's what it was. I

0:46:48.636 --> 0:46:50.676
<v Speaker 4>just came down to like that memory and that feeling,

0:46:50.716 --> 0:46:53.916
<v Speaker 4>and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna try this, and I

0:46:54.076 --> 0:46:55.476
<v Speaker 4>just tried it and tried.

0:46:55.236 --> 0:46:59.556
<v Speaker 3>It and tried it. I've always loved like Stevie Nick's

0:46:59.556 --> 0:47:00.796
<v Speaker 3>fashion and.

0:47:01.636 --> 0:47:05.956
<v Speaker 4>You know Bill Bottom, Arrow, Dolly and Janis Joplin and like,

0:47:06.556 --> 0:47:10.196
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, like the outfits that just kind of

0:47:10.196 --> 0:47:12.356
<v Speaker 4>told a story. And I saw all I've ever really

0:47:12.356 --> 0:47:15.636
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do is just tell a story. So I

0:47:15.676 --> 0:47:20.716
<v Speaker 4>did that straight for nine years now. But it all

0:47:20.796 --> 0:47:23.556
<v Speaker 4>just kind of started making sense. I think once I

0:47:23.596 --> 0:47:26.636
<v Speaker 4>got into the studio and I did my first record

0:47:26.756 --> 0:47:30.956
<v Speaker 4>with Jay Joyce, yep, that's when it really started making sense.

0:47:31.636 --> 0:47:34.956
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like he's somehow well.

0:47:34.796 --> 0:47:36.396
<v Speaker 4>He got to know me, and he got to know

0:47:36.516 --> 0:47:40.476
<v Speaker 4>my personality, my style and everything before I ever even

0:47:40.476 --> 0:47:42.276
<v Speaker 4>played him any music. I hung out with him three

0:47:42.316 --> 0:47:44.996
<v Speaker 4>or four times and we just got to know each

0:47:44.996 --> 0:47:47.756
<v Speaker 4>other and each other's background, and.

0:47:47.236 --> 0:47:51.076
<v Speaker 3>He somehow made my music sound the way that I

0:47:51.116 --> 0:47:56.236
<v Speaker 3>look so cool, and I think that as a talent,

0:47:56.796 --> 0:47:58.956
<v Speaker 3>I always said, I wanted it to be like fresh

0:47:58.996 --> 0:48:00.156
<v Speaker 3>but also kind of familiar.

0:48:00.556 --> 0:48:05.596
<v Speaker 2>It's rocking too. So you sought him out, right, Jay Joyce,

0:48:05.636 --> 0:48:07.436
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to work with him? What was it about

0:48:07.436 --> 0:48:08.756
<v Speaker 2>his sound that you loved?

0:48:09.676 --> 0:48:14.356
<v Speaker 4>So I remember just like listening to the radio, and

0:48:14.796 --> 0:48:17.316
<v Speaker 4>I really at that time was not when I first

0:48:17.316 --> 0:48:22.116
<v Speaker 4>got to Nashville, I wasn't really paying attention to producers.

0:48:21.436 --> 0:48:21.676
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:48:21.716 --> 0:48:23.396
<v Speaker 4>I always thought Jerry was gonna be the one that

0:48:23.436 --> 0:48:25.676
<v Speaker 4>produced my stuff, and yeah.

0:48:25.356 --> 0:48:26.356
<v Speaker 3>And that was it.

0:48:27.156 --> 0:48:29.836
<v Speaker 4>But I started listening to like Eric Church, and I'm like, man,

0:48:29.956 --> 0:48:33.036
<v Speaker 4>there's something about his stuff that just cuts through and

0:48:33.076 --> 0:48:36.676
<v Speaker 4>it's different, but it still sounds country, but it's got

0:48:36.676 --> 0:48:39.036
<v Speaker 4>this like rocking edge and.

0:48:39.076 --> 0:48:41.476
<v Speaker 3>Got like little bells and whistles. It almost seems like

0:48:41.516 --> 0:48:42.036
<v Speaker 3>a little.

0:48:41.836 --> 0:48:45.316
<v Speaker 4>Fairy dust was sprinkled on it, and it just sounds different.

0:48:45.636 --> 0:48:48.956
<v Speaker 4>Like I noticed that, like the tone of the instruments,

0:48:49.356 --> 0:48:53.716
<v Speaker 4>it just was like interesting and a little left footed.

0:48:54.156 --> 0:48:55.876
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I love about Jay is that like

0:48:55.916 --> 0:48:57.756
<v Speaker 4>he's not trying to be perfect. He'll walk up to

0:48:58.316 --> 0:49:01.156
<v Speaker 4>a guitar while we're playing it and untune it a

0:49:01.156 --> 0:49:05.716
<v Speaker 4>little bit. And I think that's what makes us work

0:49:05.796 --> 0:49:07.956
<v Speaker 4>so well together because I'm not trying to be perfect either,

0:49:08.036 --> 0:49:10.876
<v Speaker 4>and we're not scared to like color outside of the.

0:49:10.836 --> 0:49:11.636
<v Speaker 3>Lines a little bit.

0:49:11.756 --> 0:49:13.556
<v Speaker 4>Now if it goes too far, we can reel it

0:49:13.596 --> 0:49:18.116
<v Speaker 4>back in, but rather color outside of the lines and

0:49:18.156 --> 0:49:20.996
<v Speaker 4>then have to you know, real it back in instead

0:49:20.996 --> 0:49:24.196
<v Speaker 4>of just never go in there. So I noticed like

0:49:24.396 --> 0:49:27.916
<v Speaker 4>Eric Church's music I loved, and then Brothers Osbourne there

0:49:27.996 --> 0:49:31.996
<v Speaker 4>was something out There's stuff too, and and then Ashley McBride,

0:49:32.036 --> 0:49:34.276
<v Speaker 4>and then there was a record that Miranda did that

0:49:34.356 --> 0:49:38.036
<v Speaker 4>I thought, man, this this record just some magic in it,

0:49:38.116 --> 0:49:40.436
<v Speaker 4>Like I just felt it. And then it was like

0:49:41.036 --> 0:49:43.476
<v Speaker 4>all of these songs and all of these artists that

0:49:43.556 --> 0:49:45.156
<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of like obsessed.

0:49:44.796 --> 0:49:47.116
<v Speaker 3>With, work with this one dude.

0:49:47.636 --> 0:49:51.596
<v Speaker 4>And then it's so crazy because I kind of thought, well,

0:49:51.636 --> 0:49:52.956
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't have a record deal, so

0:49:52.996 --> 0:49:55.676
<v Speaker 4>there's no way that I can even probably be friends.

0:49:55.356 --> 0:49:59.636
<v Speaker 3>With this man, you know, right. And I was writing

0:49:59.676 --> 0:50:01.556
<v Speaker 3>with a friend of mine, Frank.

0:50:01.356 --> 0:50:04.916
<v Speaker 4>Romano, who has played on a lot of different things,

0:50:05.116 --> 0:50:09.436
<v Speaker 4>incredible guitar player, but he lived like a a couple

0:50:09.396 --> 0:50:11.836
<v Speaker 4>of blocks away from Jay and they were friends, and

0:50:12.156 --> 0:50:13.436
<v Speaker 4>he said, I've been randomly.

0:50:13.476 --> 0:50:15.796
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even tell him how much I liked Jay Joyce.

0:50:15.836 --> 0:50:16.876
<v Speaker 3>He just said, I've.

0:50:16.716 --> 0:50:20.396
<v Speaker 4>Been mentioning your name, but Jay and he said eventually

0:50:20.436 --> 0:50:21.916
<v Speaker 4>he just said, who is this girl?

0:50:21.916 --> 0:50:23.316
<v Speaker 3>And why do he keep talking about her?

0:50:24.276 --> 0:50:26.716
<v Speaker 4>He said, so, if you'd like to like, I'll I'll

0:50:26.716 --> 0:50:28.796
<v Speaker 4>set you up and you can just go over to

0:50:28.836 --> 0:50:29.876
<v Speaker 4>a studio and meet him.

0:50:30.516 --> 0:50:31.996
<v Speaker 3>And I did.

0:50:32.076 --> 0:50:34.556
<v Speaker 4>I went and got him coffee, and when I walked in,

0:50:35.156 --> 0:50:39.116
<v Speaker 4>he has this old, like renovated church, like stained glass windows,

0:50:39.836 --> 0:50:43.636
<v Speaker 4>but he's got like these interesting like coun creep figures

0:50:44.356 --> 0:50:46.516
<v Speaker 4>on that kind of looks like a gravestone. So it

0:50:46.596 --> 0:50:48.996
<v Speaker 4>was like a little dark, and I was like, what

0:50:49.036 --> 0:50:52.196
<v Speaker 4>am I getting help into? And then he opens the

0:50:52.236 --> 0:50:54.996
<v Speaker 4>door and he's like smoking a cigarette inside of the church,

0:50:55.116 --> 0:50:57.316
<v Speaker 4>and I thought, these are my kind of people.

0:50:59.316 --> 0:50:59.676
<v Speaker 2>I did.

0:50:59.716 --> 0:51:01.956
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I fit in here like this, this

0:51:01.996 --> 0:51:05.676
<v Speaker 4>is where I fit in, like just unapologetically hisself.

0:51:06.356 --> 0:51:09.516
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How high profile of a producer or was he

0:51:09.596 --> 0:51:10.676
<v Speaker 2>in Nashville at the time?

0:51:11.516 --> 0:51:12.556
<v Speaker 3>He was high profile.

0:51:12.676 --> 0:51:17.436
<v Speaker 4>There were tons of folks that wanted to work with him.

0:51:17.996 --> 0:51:21.156
<v Speaker 4>I had just signed a record deal, right when I

0:51:21.196 --> 0:51:24.236
<v Speaker 4>met him and my label would ask me to like,

0:51:24.396 --> 0:51:24.756
<v Speaker 4>who do you.

0:51:24.716 --> 0:51:26.956
<v Speaker 3>Want to do your first project? And I said, well,

0:51:26.996 --> 0:51:28.316
<v Speaker 3>Jay Joyce and they're.

0:51:28.036 --> 0:51:33.676
<v Speaker 4>Like really, they said, Jay Joyce don't just like work

0:51:33.716 --> 0:51:37.076
<v Speaker 4>with anybody. And then, like I said, Mirank hooked us up.

0:51:37.436 --> 0:51:40.796
<v Speaker 4>And the next time I had a conversation about who

0:51:40.796 --> 0:51:43.516
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to produce my stuff with a label, I

0:51:43.556 --> 0:51:45.996
<v Speaker 4>told him I said, well, I've already talked to him

0:51:46.356 --> 0:51:49.036
<v Speaker 4>and he wants to do my record, so we got

0:51:49.036 --> 0:51:50.276
<v Speaker 4>to figure out how to come up with the money

0:51:50.316 --> 0:51:50.676
<v Speaker 4>and do it.

0:51:51.276 --> 0:51:54.436
<v Speaker 2>And you just started gofund me whatever I.

0:51:54.716 --> 0:51:57.596
<v Speaker 3>Eliminate stand I'm not playing.

0:51:59.476 --> 0:52:02.436
<v Speaker 2>So once you once things started to finally take off

0:52:02.476 --> 0:52:04.876
<v Speaker 2>and you you know, your name was known around town

0:52:05.076 --> 0:52:08.916
<v Speaker 2>and first album is out, You're getting a bunch of opportunities.

0:52:09.876 --> 0:52:12.036
<v Speaker 2>How is it different than what you thought it would be?

0:52:12.036 --> 0:52:13.996
<v Speaker 2>Because if you wanted this your whole life, since you're

0:52:14.036 --> 0:52:17.236
<v Speaker 2>in fourth grade, now you're actually in it, was it

0:52:17.276 --> 0:52:18.636
<v Speaker 2>anything like you thought it would be?

0:52:19.796 --> 0:52:22.196
<v Speaker 4>That's that's an interesting question because at times I feel

0:52:22.236 --> 0:52:24.796
<v Speaker 4>like it's better than I thought it would be, but

0:52:24.916 --> 0:52:27.556
<v Speaker 4>also just different than I thought it would be, meaning

0:52:28.396 --> 0:52:32.396
<v Speaker 4>I feel like my life has changed a lot, like

0:52:32.476 --> 0:52:34.876
<v Speaker 4>my day to day life is is a lot different,

0:52:34.916 --> 0:52:38.436
<v Speaker 4>even like just having to like having an assistant and

0:52:38.516 --> 0:52:41.276
<v Speaker 4>you know, like things like that because I just can't

0:52:41.316 --> 0:52:44.756
<v Speaker 4>get it done unless I have help, and that part,

0:52:44.836 --> 0:52:47.436
<v Speaker 4>right there has been an adjustment, even like having to

0:52:47.796 --> 0:52:51.036
<v Speaker 4>have security and and things like that.

0:52:51.116 --> 0:52:52.916
<v Speaker 2>And good, I'm glad you have security.

0:52:53.196 --> 0:52:56.556
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we got security probably about like a year

0:52:56.556 --> 0:52:59.956
<v Speaker 4>and a half ago. And yeah, I mean it's not

0:53:00.116 --> 0:53:03.676
<v Speaker 4>easy to like get used to somebody like following you

0:53:03.716 --> 0:53:05.756
<v Speaker 4>around kind of in your shadow or whatever, but which

0:53:05.756 --> 0:53:07.756
<v Speaker 4>you get used to it. And so I guess those

0:53:07.756 --> 0:53:10.916
<v Speaker 4>are the things right there that I just you don't expect,

0:53:10.956 --> 0:53:13.516
<v Speaker 4>like the things that come along with it, certain feelings

0:53:13.556 --> 0:53:18.396
<v Speaker 4>that I've had, meaning like the incredible feelings that I've had,

0:53:18.476 --> 0:53:20.356
<v Speaker 4>like you just don't even you can't wrap your head

0:53:20.356 --> 0:53:23.596
<v Speaker 4>around it until it happens, but also the bad feelings

0:53:23.596 --> 0:53:24.036
<v Speaker 4>I've had.

0:53:24.436 --> 0:53:26.476
<v Speaker 3>You have high highs and low lows, and I know

0:53:26.516 --> 0:53:29.356
<v Speaker 3>that I heard so many people say that for years.

0:53:29.916 --> 0:53:31.836
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it makes no sense.

0:53:32.156 --> 0:53:35.796
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're just like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know

0:53:35.876 --> 0:53:38.916
<v Speaker 3>how high is low lows? And but I get it.

0:53:39.396 --> 0:53:41.196
<v Speaker 2>Can you explain it to me? Because I don't get it,

0:53:41.676 --> 0:53:44.196
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like if you had money, Yeah, it's

0:53:44.196 --> 0:53:45.156
<v Speaker 2>the money piece for me.

0:53:45.276 --> 0:53:49.276
<v Speaker 4>Like money makes better, I'll tell you that. Yeah, like

0:53:49.356 --> 0:53:53.596
<v Speaker 4>for me because I feel everything to my core. It's

0:53:53.676 --> 0:53:57.276
<v Speaker 4>like the social media thing. It's like it's like people

0:53:57.956 --> 0:54:02.196
<v Speaker 4>talking about every little thing about you, meaning like your body,

0:54:03.076 --> 0:54:06.556
<v Speaker 4>and that can get weird. I'm like, whether I gain

0:54:06.636 --> 0:54:09.396
<v Speaker 4>twenty pounds or lose twenty pounds, that ain't gotten nothing

0:54:09.436 --> 0:54:09.676
<v Speaker 4>to do.

0:54:09.636 --> 0:54:10.276
<v Speaker 3>With my music.

0:54:11.276 --> 0:54:14.596
<v Speaker 4>And I feel like in the beginning, like when that

0:54:14.636 --> 0:54:17.756
<v Speaker 4>kind of stuff started happening, I thought, well, at least

0:54:17.756 --> 0:54:21.716
<v Speaker 4>they're talking about me. But when I was really with myself,

0:54:22.716 --> 0:54:26.756
<v Speaker 4>some of these things are just hurtful and words are powerful.

0:54:26.796 --> 0:54:30.756
<v Speaker 4>That's why I became a songwriter, because I think words

0:54:30.836 --> 0:54:34.876
<v Speaker 4>are powerful and people do not realize that. I mean,

0:54:34.876 --> 0:54:36.716
<v Speaker 4>I learned my lesson about reading the comment, so I

0:54:36.716 --> 0:54:39.996
<v Speaker 4>don't do that anymore. But no matter what, it's still

0:54:40.076 --> 0:54:43.796
<v Speaker 4>it pings your heart and for a split second you

0:54:43.876 --> 0:54:46.596
<v Speaker 4>might believe it about yourself, and then it's like you

0:54:46.676 --> 0:54:49.836
<v Speaker 4>have to call your mama and FaceTime your nephews and

0:54:50.236 --> 0:54:52.876
<v Speaker 4>do those things that reminds you that you're not just

0:54:53.196 --> 0:54:56.396
<v Speaker 4>laying the artist, like you have a lot of other jobs.

0:54:56.036 --> 0:54:58.956
<v Speaker 3>Too, And like I know who I am. The Lord

0:54:59.076 --> 0:54:59.796
<v Speaker 3>knows who I am.

0:55:00.276 --> 0:55:03.836
<v Speaker 4>My people know who I am, and that's really the

0:55:03.876 --> 0:55:05.196
<v Speaker 4>only thing that matters.

0:55:05.516 --> 0:55:09.276
<v Speaker 3>Because you put yourself out there, you put yourself on

0:55:09.316 --> 0:55:10.036
<v Speaker 3>a platform.

0:55:11.076 --> 0:55:13.236
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and people are gonna love you, and people are

0:55:13.236 --> 0:55:15.756
<v Speaker 4>gonna hate you. And sometimes people just hate you because

0:55:15.796 --> 0:55:19.596
<v Speaker 4>other people love you. Yeah, that's hard for me to understand,

0:55:20.396 --> 0:55:23.756
<v Speaker 4>like how people can just like say mean hurtful things.

0:55:23.796 --> 0:55:27.076
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, who raised you? You know, I'm like, I

0:55:27.116 --> 0:55:27.876
<v Speaker 3>don't get it.

0:55:28.556 --> 0:55:31.876
<v Speaker 4>But also I've learned how to just like let it

0:55:31.876 --> 0:55:33.636
<v Speaker 4>go in one air and out the other and just

0:55:33.756 --> 0:55:37.636
<v Speaker 4>remember who I am, you know, like I am not

0:55:37.756 --> 0:55:39.036
<v Speaker 4>who they say I am.

0:55:39.556 --> 0:55:43.556
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hard. It's like an and it's not something

0:55:43.596 --> 0:55:46.036
<v Speaker 2>that all of a sudden is a problem that you

0:55:46.076 --> 0:55:48.676
<v Speaker 2>like figure out and it's fixed and then you're fine,

0:55:48.716 --> 0:55:50.836
<v Speaker 2>you move on to something else. It's an ongoing thing.

0:55:51.116 --> 0:55:52.196
<v Speaker 3>It's an ongoing thing.

0:55:52.596 --> 0:55:54.316
<v Speaker 4>And I'll tell you what, I don't even think I

0:55:54.396 --> 0:55:56.676
<v Speaker 4>have it as bad as some of my other friends

0:55:56.676 --> 0:55:59.796
<v Speaker 4>in a business. Like when it comes to the amount

0:55:59.836 --> 0:56:02.436
<v Speaker 4>of like hate or whatever you want to say, it's

0:56:02.476 --> 0:56:06.716
<v Speaker 4>called I get some, but my heart goes out to

0:56:06.876 --> 0:56:09.756
<v Speaker 4>a lot of my buddies. I'm just like, I hope

0:56:09.796 --> 0:56:11.716
<v Speaker 4>I'm not raising this, you know.

0:56:12.596 --> 0:56:15.996
<v Speaker 2>Especially as you get older too, And it seems like

0:56:16.036 --> 0:56:17.716
<v Speaker 2>to me that you're someone who's in this for the

0:56:17.756 --> 0:56:21.676
<v Speaker 2>long haul, Like this is just like you know, something

0:56:21.716 --> 0:56:23.396
<v Speaker 2>that you're trying out for a little while, but it

0:56:23.476 --> 0:56:26.316
<v Speaker 2>seems like you're gonna be one of these artists like

0:56:26.996 --> 0:56:29.876
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know you've collaborated with the Rolling Stones.

0:56:29.916 --> 0:56:32.556
<v Speaker 2>You opened up for the Stones, and they're still out

0:56:32.556 --> 0:56:36.716
<v Speaker 2>there doing it and they're in their eighties. Yeah, you've

0:56:36.716 --> 0:56:38.836
<v Speaker 2>been up on stage with Dolly Pardon, Like, do you

0:56:38.916 --> 0:56:44.556
<v Speaker 2>see yourself in an advanced age still doing this on stage?

0:56:44.716 --> 0:56:48.476
<v Speaker 3>I do, I one hundred percent, dude. I will tell

0:56:48.516 --> 0:56:53.436
<v Speaker 3>you I'm not always gonna be as busy as I've been.

0:56:54.356 --> 0:56:58.196
<v Speaker 3>Like I've been busy, busy, busy, busy main and there

0:56:58.196 --> 0:57:01.876
<v Speaker 3>are big moments in my life when when I'll get

0:57:01.916 --> 0:57:06.476
<v Speaker 3>married and have kids and like because when that happens,

0:57:06.556 --> 0:57:08.316
<v Speaker 3>like that's that's gonna be my focus. And I mean

0:57:08.316 --> 0:57:11.716
<v Speaker 3>I almost stop doing job because I need to always

0:57:11.716 --> 0:57:14.756
<v Speaker 3>write music. But I'm gonna be around.

0:57:15.236 --> 0:57:18.156
<v Speaker 4>I can't imagine my life without it, and then then

0:57:18.276 --> 0:57:21.276
<v Speaker 4>watching folks like Mick Jagger and Dolly do their thing,

0:57:21.356 --> 0:57:23.796
<v Speaker 4>it's just like you can do it, you know, But

0:57:23.836 --> 0:57:25.436
<v Speaker 4>I got to take care of myself on the front

0:57:25.556 --> 0:57:28.556
<v Speaker 4>end so I will have longevity like that.

0:57:29.876 --> 0:57:31.916
<v Speaker 2>How has it been for you meeting these people? Like

0:57:31.956 --> 0:57:34.556
<v Speaker 2>I know you've performed in front of like Springsteen and

0:57:34.596 --> 0:57:37.636
<v Speaker 2>Paul McCartney and is the fan in you? Is it

0:57:37.716 --> 0:57:41.196
<v Speaker 2>somehow disappointing meeting the people or do they seem like

0:57:41.236 --> 0:57:44.116
<v Speaker 2>normal people to you at this point or what's that?

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<v Speaker 4>Like? I think in my head I had it built

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<v Speaker 4>up of what I thought it was gonna be like,

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<v Speaker 4>and truthfully, after getting to know them, it's even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like you just realize that they're just real people.

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<v Speaker 3>They put their breeches on the same way as I do,

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<v Speaker 3>like one leg at a time, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people say, don't meet your heroes, but

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<v Speaker 4>so far with my heroes that I've met, but they

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<v Speaker 4>have not let me down. And even like becoming really

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<v Speaker 4>close with why not a Judd? She is salt of

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<v Speaker 4>the earth I'm talking about weekly will send me devotionals

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<v Speaker 4>and say a prayer over me and just be like,

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<v Speaker 4>how are you where you at And that's really cool

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<v Speaker 4>for me to see.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're sitting an example that, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want to be. You can be that to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else. Yeap. What was it like singing with Dolly

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<v Speaker 2>on stage? You sing well, the clip that I saw

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<v Speaker 2>you sang, I Will Always Love You with Dolly, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a hard song to sing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a hard song to sing. Nobody, nobody has any

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<v Speaker 3>business doing a Dolly Parton song, and especially that one.

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<v Speaker 3>But when Dolly Parton asked you to do it, you

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<v Speaker 3>figure it out.

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<v Speaker 4>So the thought of it was terrifying until like I

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<v Speaker 4>got down there and we like rehearsed it, and she

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<v Speaker 4>just makes you feel so comfortable, and she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>come on, Lennie, getna do this like you do that part,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll take this, and like you just seem like

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<v Speaker 4>like you just knew her your whole life and she's

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<v Speaker 4>even better than you could have imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>So she made me feel comfortable. I'm telling you right now,

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<v Speaker 3>like that and the Rolling Stones, I'm done. I'm done.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you writing now? What are you writing about?

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<v Speaker 3>This past weekend? I wrote five or six songs. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>when can we put a record out again, They're like, hold.

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<v Speaker 4>Up a minute, I am writing about about my life lately,

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<v Speaker 4>I really do feel like I have to like live

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<v Speaker 4>it to write it in two. Like even the songs

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<v Speaker 4>that we wrote this weekend, I don't feel like all

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<v Speaker 4>of them are for me. I want to help other

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<v Speaker 4>people tell their stories too, Yeah, and too.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's times when I'm like I'm talking. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>tired of talking about me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are you tired of telling your story? And like

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<v Speaker 2>you do so many interviews and I think it's awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, cause it takes a lot of energy to

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<v Speaker 2>sit here for so long.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember a time when nobody wanted to talk to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's probably where it comes from. Of

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<v Speaker 4>just like, you know, I've got these opportunities now, and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like the interviews are starting to change though,

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<v Speaker 4>Like for instance, this one today, I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not having to sit here and sell myself. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not having to sit here and tell you like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>Laney Wilson from Basking Losing Anna.

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<v Speaker 3>My daddy farms corn wheats, we beans and notes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, It's like we're able to kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>go there a little bit more, which I enjoy the

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<v Speaker 4>time that has definitely felt robotic. You know, yes, when

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<v Speaker 4>they're asking you the same questions. There's only so many

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<v Speaker 4>different ways you can say it no.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're a hustler and I love it. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that you're getting recognized for it too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for doing this. Good luck with everything. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you have a good time on the tour. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you stay healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, sister. I appreciate that. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for this.

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