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Speaker 1: Music Awards. In August, Laney scored her first crossover hit

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Speaker 1: Rose talks to Laney Wilson about how her grit and

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Speaker 1: notes for the digital Age, I'm justin Ritchman. Here's Lea

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Speaker 1: Rose's conversation with Laney Wilson. They recorded over zoom and

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Speaker 2: You're on tour right now, right like you're about to

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Speaker 4: But I feel like we've been touring. We've been touring

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Speaker 2: So, so is it a thing where if you actually

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Speaker 4: Today it felt so nice, first of all, just to

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Speaker 3: Like this past weekend. I'll just tell you this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate that about you, Like I feel

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Speaker 2: How do you I know that I heard you say

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's so funny that we're talking about

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Speaker 3: Feel like I know them too. It's like a it's

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Speaker 3: And but I will tell you after moments like that

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm able to kind of put myself

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Speaker 4: It's just like all I gotta do is get up

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're like a vessel? I've heard

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Speaker 2: But do you feel like you're a vessel for a message?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I really do feel like I am. I feel like.

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Speaker 4: It's so strange the stories that I tell, and like

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Speaker 4: the Truck, and it's talking about something that a lot

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Speaker 4: of people don't want to talk about about domestic abuse,

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Speaker 3: But that specific situation has never happened to me.

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Speaker 4: But I still feel like, I'm very blessed to be

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Speaker 3: And I don't take that lightly.

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Speaker 4: And my relationship continues to grow and change, and I

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Speaker 2: You know, growing up, would you say that your parents

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Speaker 3: We were driving back home to lose Inna.

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Speaker 4: We had been to Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge and been

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Speaker 4: You know, nobody in my area had dreams of doing

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Speaker 3: That we were kin to. And that's some Louisyanna stuff

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Speaker 4: But he had a dream of moving to Nashville and

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Speaker 4: daddy just loved music, loved supporting music, was not musical himself,

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Speaker 4: before my parents. Yeah, it's just like my grandfather. He

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Speaker 4: so he hadn't even been around to see any of this.

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Speaker 4: But it's so crazy, like what you do in this

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Speaker 2: And it isn't that crazy.

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Speaker 3: I see that.

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Speaker 2: Were you the type of kid who was constantly singing

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Speaker 3: And I'm not proud of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was probably breaking out in song and

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Speaker 4: in the middle of Walmart, they'd be like, Laney, sing

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Speaker 4: was singing about the Quelan cigarettes and like it was.

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Speaker 3: It became a part of me. It was like they said, hey,

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Speaker 4: I loved it so much and my parents' day even

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Speaker 4: they never forced me to do anything. I was knocking

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Speaker 4: would figure out how to get us there.

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Speaker 2: Would you win?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Were you good?

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Speaker 3: Every time?

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Speaker 4: Every time I'm talking about homey Cook, Talent Search, Country,

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Speaker 3: If I was in it, I was gonna win it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what were you singing? Were you singing original stuff?

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Speaker 2: Or you were doing covers?

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Speaker 4: But I remember trying to sing a lot of like

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Speaker 4: was just kind of like a challenge for me. And huh,

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Speaker 4: the truth is, like I did not have any business

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Speaker 4: singing a Martina McBride song. But and too, like I

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that like that I was the most seasoned.

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Speaker 4: Because I was doing these competitions with people who were

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Speaker 3: But I think they probably saw how bad I wanted.

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Speaker 2: It, saw the drive early on.

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Speaker 3: They didn't where do you get.

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Speaker 2: That drive from? Is that also something that you can

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Speaker 3: It's in my family. It can be a blessing and

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that it uh, but at least I'm

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Speaker 4: aware of that, you know, at least I'm here of that.

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Speaker 4: Like it comes from both sides of my family. But

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Speaker 4: my daddy has always had like four or five jobs farmer, brinker, horsetrader,

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Speaker 4: He had a dirt haul and business like buying equipment,

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Speaker 4: m hm. And he would always just remind us, like,

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Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with me. It has something to

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Speaker 4: This has got to do with like your kids and

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Speaker 4: their kids and their kids. And he just plant those seeds,

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Speaker 3: Is a go getter.

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Speaker 4: She gives one hundred and ninety percent with everything she does,

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Speaker 4: all out and like and just give it her best shot.

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Speaker 3: So I got a double whammy of that.

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Speaker 2: How many generations back to your family, how many generations

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Speaker 4: I believe it was five Basking, I think was five generations.

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Speaker 3: Wow, like farming.

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Speaker 2: So they know the Wilsons. The Wilson's like a big

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's not many names in Baskin, but

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Speaker 4: And we're proud of We're proud of where we come

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Speaker 4: from for sure.

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Speaker 2: And Duck Dynasty was filmed like the town over right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Duck Dynasty was filmed in pretty much the town.

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Speaker 4: I went to college in so West Monroe, Monroe, and

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Speaker 3: So it's not many people leave.

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Speaker 4: Not many people leave Basketing. Like if you're from Basking,

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Speaker 4: you'll stay in Basking. It's kind of random that, like

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Speaker 2: Why do you think so many people stay?

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Speaker 3: I think it's family. I think people really are a

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Speaker 4: My mama, I think she kind of has more of

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Speaker 4: get up every single day and go to the same

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Speaker 3: Biscuit and do the same thing and be happy as

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Speaker 2: That's so nice.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm like lovely nice.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's just like he's content.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get that. I didn't get that from him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now that you've been out in the world and

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It does.

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Speaker 4: And first of all, I think you were killing this

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Speaker 4: because you were asking questions that a lot of.

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Speaker 3: People don't ask. Me. Thank you, and it kind of

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Speaker 3: feels like therapy right now. I feel like I should

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Speaker 4: But it's funny because I was even facetiming my little

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Speaker 4: and I was just reminding her.

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Speaker 3: I was like, just so, you know, like there's so

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Speaker 4: Types of people everywhere, Like there's a lot of ISSI

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Speaker 4: to see, Like, I want you to realize how special

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Speaker 4: you are and how much love you got to give,

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Speaker 4: and like, don't feel like this is your only option.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, because I think maybe some people do feel

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Speaker 2: Well, it's scary. I mean what you did leaving home,

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Speaker 2: going to Nashville by yourself, that's not something that people

442
00:22:09,676 --> 00:22:14,556
Speaker 2: normally do. Yeah, you know, that's really scary. And you

443
00:22:14,596 --> 00:22:17,676
Speaker 2: were with the mister cupid cherry keep it. Yes, so

444
00:22:17,756 --> 00:22:20,476
Speaker 2: you had him, but still it's I mean, that's a

445
00:22:20,516 --> 00:22:22,596
Speaker 2: really really big deal, especially if you come from a

446
00:22:22,676 --> 00:22:24,716
Speaker 2: small town where everybody is just staying put.

447
00:22:25,196 --> 00:22:28,556
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't think like my mama, I don't think

448
00:22:28,596 --> 00:22:31,156
Speaker 4: she had like even driven on the interstate until she

449
00:22:31,316 --> 00:22:35,836
Speaker 4: was married with kids, you know, and we're twenty minutes

450
00:22:35,876 --> 00:22:38,556
Speaker 4: from an interstate and a lot of like the other

451
00:22:38,676 --> 00:22:41,476
Speaker 4: parents would be like, aren't y'all scared to let Lane

452
00:22:41,476 --> 00:22:42,836
Speaker 4: go do that, and like aren't.

453
00:22:42,636 --> 00:22:45,796
Speaker 3: Y'all ye like let her drive eight hours and live

454
00:22:45,836 --> 00:22:48,316
Speaker 3: in a camper trailer when the weather's bad and like.

455
00:22:49,036 --> 00:22:50,796
Speaker 4: And of course, like they would call me in and

456
00:22:50,836 --> 00:22:53,316
Speaker 4: they would get concerned at times, but like they knew

457
00:22:53,796 --> 00:22:55,316
Speaker 4: that I was going to do this no matter what.

458
00:22:56,356 --> 00:23:00,316
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's another thing. They were just like, Okay,

459
00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:01,796
Speaker 4: let us know. I mean, they helped me.

460
00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:05,796
Speaker 3: Buy my camper, they helped me haul it to Nashville.

461
00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:10,276
Speaker 4: And I think it too, was a way for for

462
00:23:10,316 --> 00:23:13,716
Speaker 4: them to see like just how bad did I really

463
00:23:13,796 --> 00:23:14,196
Speaker 4: want this?

464
00:23:14,836 --> 00:23:16,556
Speaker 2: Do you think they were expecting you to turn around

465
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:17,156
Speaker 2: and come home?

466
00:23:17,956 --> 00:23:19,156
Speaker 3: No, I don't.

467
00:23:19,636 --> 00:23:23,956
Speaker 4: I think well, especially after the first year that I

468
00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:27,796
Speaker 4: was there. Yeah, I think they realized, like, Okay, she's

469
00:23:27,796 --> 00:23:30,876
Speaker 4: living in a camper trailer, eating Ramen noodles every night

470
00:23:31,556 --> 00:23:34,956
Speaker 4: and hitting up the Little Caesars when she's got some

471
00:23:35,036 --> 00:23:38,076
Speaker 4: extra cash, Like, she's not coming home.

472
00:23:39,396 --> 00:23:40,796
Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break and then we'll

473
00:23:40,796 --> 00:23:43,316
Speaker 1: come back with more from Laney Wilson and Leah Rose.

474
00:23:47,436 --> 00:23:49,396
Speaker 1: We're back with more from Laney Wilson.

475
00:23:50,076 --> 00:23:53,436
Speaker 2: Did you have anything kind of like any creepy meatwish

476
00:23:53,716 --> 00:23:56,236
Speaker 2: type moments happened when you were first out there, before

477
00:23:56,276 --> 00:23:58,116
Speaker 2: you really had like a network of people.

478
00:23:59,396 --> 00:23:59,636
Speaker 3: You know.

479
00:23:59,716 --> 00:24:04,396
Speaker 4: What's really cool is, no, I don't know how I

480
00:24:04,436 --> 00:24:09,476
Speaker 4: dodged that bullet, because there's that kind of stuff just

481
00:24:09,476 --> 00:24:14,076
Speaker 4: happening all around. Yeah, but I will tell you, like

482
00:24:14,236 --> 00:24:17,756
Speaker 4: in in co writes and in meetings and in anything

483
00:24:17,796 --> 00:24:21,356
Speaker 4: that I was involved with like that, I definitely was

484
00:24:21,396 --> 00:24:24,876
Speaker 4: aware of, like, okay, like what kind of like don't

485
00:24:24,956 --> 00:24:26,756
Speaker 4: miss on me attitude?

486
00:24:26,956 --> 00:24:27,276
Speaker 2: Yep.

487
00:24:27,556 --> 00:24:31,796
Speaker 4: I knew that it existed so much that it definitely

488
00:24:31,836 --> 00:24:33,356
Speaker 4: had to be something in the back of my mind

489
00:24:33,396 --> 00:24:35,836
Speaker 4: of like these people need to know that you ain't

490
00:24:35,876 --> 00:24:40,276
Speaker 4: playing yep. I'm not saying that that's why things happen

491
00:24:40,316 --> 00:24:42,436
Speaker 4: to other people, but I think that is why I

492
00:24:42,436 --> 00:24:45,356
Speaker 4: have gotten pretty lucky at times.

493
00:24:46,076 --> 00:24:49,516
Speaker 2: Well, it's such a vulnerable position to be in because

494
00:24:49,516 --> 00:24:54,476
Speaker 2: you're there trying to get some sort of foothold, and

495
00:24:54,516 --> 00:24:56,876
Speaker 2: if there is somebody who could possibly I mean, you

496
00:24:56,916 --> 00:24:59,516
Speaker 2: don't know what anyone can do for you, but if

497
00:24:59,556 --> 00:25:02,316
Speaker 2: there is somebody who could possibly have an opportunity for you,

498
00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:05,636
Speaker 2: I mean, it can just happen so easily.

499
00:25:05,756 --> 00:25:10,436
Speaker 4: I know, and it's easy to not even recognize at first. Yeah,

500
00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,836
Speaker 4: and then it's just like what just happened?

501
00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:15,236
Speaker 3: Right? Because you want it bad?

502
00:25:15,316 --> 00:25:18,076
Speaker 4: And then it's just you know, you think somebody genuinely

503
00:25:18,076 --> 00:25:18,836
Speaker 4: wants to help you.

504
00:25:19,556 --> 00:25:22,036
Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's good. I'm glad to hear that. I

505
00:25:22,076 --> 00:25:22,756
Speaker 2: was wondering that.

506
00:25:23,036 --> 00:25:23,236
Speaker 4: Yep.

507
00:25:23,636 --> 00:25:25,876
Speaker 2: So when you got to Nashville, what was your plan?

508
00:25:25,996 --> 00:25:27,756
Speaker 2: Like what were you trying to do? Did you have

509
00:25:27,916 --> 00:25:30,396
Speaker 2: steps that you wanted to follow? Like how did you

510
00:25:30,476 --> 00:25:33,316
Speaker 2: even know what to do or where to go?

511
00:25:34,636 --> 00:25:37,636
Speaker 4: I knew that I needed to get better at my songwriting,

512
00:25:38,396 --> 00:25:41,236
Speaker 4: and I knew that, and I was like, really, the

513
00:25:41,316 --> 00:25:44,196
Speaker 4: only way for me to do that is like start.

514
00:25:43,996 --> 00:25:45,556
Speaker 3: Getting tips from other people.

515
00:25:45,876 --> 00:25:47,636
Speaker 4: And I always said, like, I want to be the

516
00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:51,276
Speaker 4: worst writer in the room. For several years, I would

517
00:25:51,316 --> 00:25:54,396
Speaker 4: walk from my campor trailer into the studio into Jerry

518
00:25:54,436 --> 00:25:57,316
Speaker 4: keep it studio and we'd write music. So we wrote

519
00:25:57,316 --> 00:26:01,116
Speaker 4: three hundred plus songs together, and wow, he really taught

520
00:26:01,116 --> 00:26:03,636
Speaker 4: me how to write a song. And even when I

521
00:26:03,676 --> 00:26:06,956
Speaker 4: was little, like he would stop by my house when

522
00:26:06,996 --> 00:26:09,276
Speaker 4: I was nine years old write music and be like like,

523
00:26:09,636 --> 00:26:12,916
Speaker 4: let me hear that song you wrote, and I'd sing

524
00:26:12,956 --> 00:26:14,956
Speaker 4: it and he'd be like, okay, but like if you're

525
00:26:15,036 --> 00:26:18,196
Speaker 4: if you're singing about a truck, like why'd you put

526
00:26:18,236 --> 00:26:18,996
Speaker 4: this line here?

527
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,516
Speaker 3: And like let's talk about it. He's like, you know,

528
00:26:21,636 --> 00:26:22,876
Speaker 3: well what color is the truck?

529
00:26:23,076 --> 00:26:25,276
Speaker 4: You know, like coaching me through it, and he's like, well,

530
00:26:25,316 --> 00:26:26,636
Speaker 4: how does that truck make you feel?

531
00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:29,596
Speaker 3: And and really just like asked me a.

532
00:26:29,556 --> 00:26:33,036
Speaker 4: Lot of questions that I started asking myself when I

533
00:26:33,076 --> 00:26:36,116
Speaker 4: sat down to write a song. So I will say

534
00:26:36,156 --> 00:26:38,836
Speaker 4: for the first few years, I was pretty much just

535
00:26:38,876 --> 00:26:42,716
Speaker 4: writing with him, because the thing is like you move

536
00:26:42,836 --> 00:26:46,396
Speaker 4: somewhere and you think you have it kind of like

537
00:26:46,436 --> 00:26:48,356
Speaker 4: slightly figured out, and the truth is you just have

538
00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:49,356
Speaker 4: no damn clue.

539
00:26:50,196 --> 00:26:50,396
Speaker 1: Yeah.

540
00:26:50,436 --> 00:26:51,676
Speaker 3: I just didn't know what to do.

541
00:26:52,036 --> 00:26:55,156
Speaker 4: I didn't know where to start, and so that felt

542
00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:59,516
Speaker 4: safe to me. That felt comfortable. And then once he

543
00:26:59,636 --> 00:27:02,756
Speaker 4: passed away, I will never forget like he walked down

544
00:27:02,756 --> 00:27:06,636
Speaker 4: the stairs one day and I just kind of had

545
00:27:06,636 --> 00:27:08,396
Speaker 4: this feeling. I was like, he's not gonna make it.

546
00:27:08,796 --> 00:27:12,636
Speaker 4: He was only fifty nine years old, and wow, he

547
00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:14,316
Speaker 4: was like my second daddy. I mean, when you write

548
00:27:14,316 --> 00:27:16,916
Speaker 4: three hundred songs to somebody, you get.

549
00:27:16,716 --> 00:27:19,916
Speaker 3: To know them totally. They get to know you.

550
00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:21,836
Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
00:27:21,996 --> 00:27:23,916
Speaker 3: I just remember him coming down and he was like,

552
00:27:24,156 --> 00:27:27,836
Speaker 3: if something happens to me, basically, don't let this stop you,

553
00:27:28,556 --> 00:27:31,076
Speaker 3: Like I need you to keep going, and like I

554
00:27:31,116 --> 00:27:34,356
Speaker 3: need you to like kind of carry on carry on

555
00:27:34,396 --> 00:27:38,596
Speaker 3: what I've taught you pretty much. And the business had.

556
00:27:38,556 --> 00:27:41,796
Speaker 4: Changed a lot, a lot a lot from the time,

557
00:27:41,876 --> 00:27:43,756
Speaker 4: like he had a lot of success in the nineties,

558
00:27:44,396 --> 00:27:47,316
Speaker 4: by the time I got there twenty eleven, the business

559
00:27:47,356 --> 00:27:50,476
Speaker 4: had already started changing, meaning like you know, he wasn't

560
00:27:50,476 --> 00:27:53,876
Speaker 4: really aware that like me actually being out and about

561
00:27:54,116 --> 00:27:57,436
Speaker 4: was a good thing, you know, like me going and

562
00:27:57,476 --> 00:28:00,596
Speaker 4: doing writers nights and writers' rounds and like going places

563
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:02,956
Speaker 4: and meeting people, because I think in the nineties it

564
00:28:03,076 --> 00:28:06,076
Speaker 4: was more of like a you're right and you like

565
00:28:06,156 --> 00:28:07,756
Speaker 4: record a record and then you just kind of like

566
00:28:07,796 --> 00:28:10,356
Speaker 4: come out of nowhere kind of thing. Oh wow. And

567
00:28:10,436 --> 00:28:15,156
Speaker 4: so at that point, once he passed away, I thought, Okay, well,

568
00:28:16,076 --> 00:28:19,156
Speaker 4: you know, my security blanket or whatever you want to

569
00:28:19,196 --> 00:28:21,556
Speaker 4: call that is gone, and I got to figure it out.

570
00:28:21,596 --> 00:28:23,436
Speaker 4: So there's been a lot of moments for me where

571
00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:28,556
Speaker 4: I've had to like switch gears, and I just remember thinking, Okay, well,

572
00:28:28,756 --> 00:28:32,316
Speaker 4: I know that the strongest thing about what I do

573
00:28:33,236 --> 00:28:38,196
Speaker 4: is my songwriting. I thought, Okay, well, how how can

574
00:28:38,236 --> 00:28:40,556
Speaker 4: I just write with as many people as I possibly can?

575
00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:44,316
Speaker 4: How can I become friends with everybody? And so it

576
00:28:44,716 --> 00:28:47,276
Speaker 4: wasn't like I was like faking being friends with people.

577
00:28:47,316 --> 00:28:50,476
Speaker 4: I just knew that, like I realized quick that relationships

578
00:28:50,516 --> 00:28:54,156
Speaker 4: in this town matter, and I knew that they might

579
00:28:54,196 --> 00:28:57,276
Speaker 4: not remember the song I wrote or the show that

580
00:28:57,356 --> 00:28:58,276
Speaker 4: I played, but they.

581
00:28:58,356 --> 00:29:00,996
Speaker 3: Might remember the way that I made him feel. And

582
00:29:01,076 --> 00:29:02,876
Speaker 3: so I just led with that.

583
00:29:02,996 --> 00:29:06,196
Speaker 4: I was like, I knew that my time would come

584
00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,756
Speaker 4: and just like fashion goes in and out, and I

585
00:29:09,836 --> 00:29:13,396
Speaker 4: knew that like what I do would maybe be cool again,

586
00:29:13,796 --> 00:29:17,636
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, And I think timon is everything.

587
00:29:18,356 --> 00:29:20,276
Speaker 2: While you were working with Jerry, was the goal to

588
00:29:20,956 --> 00:29:24,076
Speaker 2: write songs and then pick the best out of the

589
00:29:24,156 --> 00:29:27,436
Speaker 2: three hundred and put together a demo and shop that around.

590
00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:28,476
Speaker 3: And we did.

591
00:29:28,596 --> 00:29:31,796
Speaker 4: We actually we went into the studio because he had

592
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:35,596
Speaker 4: like a studio, like a super cool setup, and we

593
00:29:35,596 --> 00:29:38,476
Speaker 4: would get in there and we made this record and

594
00:29:39,836 --> 00:29:44,116
Speaker 4: we shopped it. We shopped it around to quite a

595
00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:48,396
Speaker 4: few major labels. I know that I definitely met with Sony,

596
00:29:48,716 --> 00:29:53,876
Speaker 4: I met with Warner, and I remember sitting there and

597
00:29:53,956 --> 00:29:57,116
Speaker 4: just thinking, like I kind of knew in my gut

598
00:29:57,236 --> 00:29:59,276
Speaker 4: that these folks are not gonna sign me.

599
00:30:00,356 --> 00:30:02,436
Speaker 2: Why do you think that I just knew?

600
00:30:02,476 --> 00:30:05,236
Speaker 3: Like I just knew. I was like I wanted to

601
00:30:05,276 --> 00:30:06,156
Speaker 3: believe it, you know.

602
00:30:06,236 --> 00:30:08,556
Speaker 4: I wanted to believe that when I got here at

603
00:30:08,596 --> 00:30:09,916
Speaker 4: nineteen and I could just write to.

604
00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:11,516
Speaker 3: Music and be on the route.

605
00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:14,436
Speaker 4: But yep, it's like the more that I got to

606
00:30:14,436 --> 00:30:15,996
Speaker 4: know the business and the more that I got to

607
00:30:16,036 --> 00:30:18,876
Speaker 4: know really how this machine works, and it's a crazy

608
00:30:18,916 --> 00:30:22,116
Speaker 4: one that that's not how my journey was gonna be.

609
00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:25,156
Speaker 4: And I kind of just like swallowed that pill, and

610
00:30:25,276 --> 00:30:26,596
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, well here's the thing.

611
00:30:27,676 --> 00:30:29,956
Speaker 3: What you gonna do? Like, if it don't happen when

612
00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:32,196
Speaker 3: you want it to, does that mean going home?

613
00:30:32,756 --> 00:30:33,116
Speaker 4: Will know?

614
00:30:33,956 --> 00:30:35,996
Speaker 3: You know? Does that mean that you're gonna stop doing

615
00:30:35,996 --> 00:30:37,596
Speaker 3: what you love? We'll know.

616
00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:39,876
Speaker 4: I just figure out how to make ends meet. I

617
00:30:39,956 --> 00:30:43,716
Speaker 4: was still traveling, playing shows. Like I said, I've been

618
00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:48,196
Speaker 4: touring since eighth grade because I had impersonated to Hannah,

619
00:30:48,196 --> 00:30:50,916
Speaker 4: Montana for five years, and then after that I was

620
00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:53,156
Speaker 4: in a band in Louisiana, and then once I moved

621
00:30:53,156 --> 00:30:57,516
Speaker 4: to Nashville. I would every single weekend, I would travel

622
00:30:57,756 --> 00:31:01,796
Speaker 4: wherever would let me come play four hours anywhere and

623
00:31:01,836 --> 00:31:05,916
Speaker 4: say yourself by myself, by myself and just me and

624
00:31:05,956 --> 00:31:08,716
Speaker 4: a guitar, singing a bunch of covers, and every now huh,

625
00:31:08,796 --> 00:31:12,636
Speaker 4: I would throw in original just to see if people

626
00:31:12,796 --> 00:31:13,316
Speaker 4: liked it or not.

627
00:31:14,556 --> 00:31:18,316
Speaker 3: They did not care. We definitely glowed up. I'll tell

628
00:31:18,316 --> 00:31:23,956
Speaker 3: you that we glowed up. We did. But it's been a.

629
00:31:23,956 --> 00:31:28,596
Speaker 4: Journey and it's still a journey. Yeah, it's constantly changing.

630
00:31:28,836 --> 00:31:31,076
Speaker 4: I mean there for a long time. Like I was

631
00:31:31,076 --> 00:31:33,356
Speaker 4: in town for seven years before I got a publishing deal,

632
00:31:34,196 --> 00:31:38,676
Speaker 4: and it was year eight I got a record deal.

633
00:31:38,716 --> 00:31:41,236
Speaker 4: But I knew then that like, okay, just because you

634
00:31:41,236 --> 00:31:44,636
Speaker 4: got a record deal, I don't mean shit that means.

635
00:31:44,676 --> 00:31:46,316
Speaker 2: So how did you know that though? Because I feel

636
00:31:46,356 --> 00:31:48,556
Speaker 2: like everyone thinks once you get the record deal, you're good.

637
00:31:48,916 --> 00:31:50,036
Speaker 3: Because I saw.

638
00:31:51,316 --> 00:31:53,236
Speaker 4: I would like to sit back and just watch what

639
00:31:53,276 --> 00:31:55,116
Speaker 4: was happening with other people, and I saw that the

640
00:31:55,356 --> 00:31:57,596
Speaker 4: people would sign, because people would move to.

641
00:31:57,476 --> 00:32:01,196
Speaker 3: Town and be here a month and just pass me

642
00:32:01,356 --> 00:32:01,956
Speaker 3: right on up.

643
00:32:01,996 --> 00:32:04,876
Speaker 4: Sign a published a deal, sign a record deal, and

644
00:32:04,916 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 4: then a year or two would go by and I'm like, okay,

645
00:32:08,196 --> 00:32:11,876
Speaker 4: well I hadn't heard anything, you know, like what's going

646
00:32:11,876 --> 00:32:13,836
Speaker 4: on or are these are they putting these folks on

647
00:32:13,836 --> 00:32:17,396
Speaker 4: a shelf or is it something that they're not doing

648
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:19,316
Speaker 4: on there? Like it was just a lot of thoughts,

649
00:32:19,316 --> 00:32:21,316
Speaker 4: and I think it really is probably a combination of

650
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:22,236
Speaker 4: both of those things.

651
00:32:22,796 --> 00:32:24,156
Speaker 3: But I just knew.

652
00:32:24,156 --> 00:32:27,396
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, these years that I put under

653
00:32:27,436 --> 00:32:30,116
Speaker 4: my belt, and they definitely started before I even moved

654
00:32:30,116 --> 00:32:33,156
Speaker 4: to Nashville. That was me just kind of like preparing

655
00:32:33,596 --> 00:32:36,676
Speaker 4: the grip. Yeah, and then like signing my record deal

656
00:32:36,796 --> 00:32:40,356
Speaker 4: is when I really just kind of like entered the race.

657
00:32:40,996 --> 00:32:44,076
Speaker 4: And then I knew that even years after I signed

658
00:32:44,076 --> 00:32:45,876
Speaker 4: a record deal, like there was going to be some

659
00:32:45,956 --> 00:32:48,876
Speaker 4: work that I had to do, meaning like I knew

660
00:32:49,396 --> 00:32:52,876
Speaker 4: especially during that time it was well, like I said,

661
00:32:52,876 --> 00:32:55,356
Speaker 4: I signed my record deal in twenty eighteen, I had

662
00:32:55,396 --> 00:32:58,716
Speaker 4: noticed that a lot of people knew the songs that

663
00:32:58,756 --> 00:33:02,236
Speaker 4: were on the radio, but they didn't know the artist

664
00:33:02,836 --> 00:33:04,196
Speaker 4: and they didn't know who sang it.

665
00:33:04,356 --> 00:33:06,916
Speaker 3: That you could start singing I know a few things

666
00:33:06,956 --> 00:33:10,236
Speaker 3: and then ought to know and you'd be like, who's

667
00:33:10,276 --> 00:33:12,076
Speaker 3: sang that? And they're like, I don't. I don't know,

668
00:33:12,116 --> 00:33:12,876
Speaker 3: but I know the song.

669
00:33:13,396 --> 00:33:16,876
Speaker 4: And that's what happened after our first hit, and I

670
00:33:16,876 --> 00:33:19,796
Speaker 4: will tell you I was shocked. It just reminded me

671
00:33:19,876 --> 00:33:21,956
Speaker 4: that that was actually a thing in this business that

672
00:33:22,156 --> 00:33:25,196
Speaker 4: like the songs are the are the like are the

673
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:26,116
Speaker 4: popular things.

674
00:33:26,116 --> 00:33:28,156
Speaker 3: But I have seen a transition.

675
00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:31,516
Speaker 4: I think after like the pandemic, I started seeing people

676
00:33:31,636 --> 00:33:35,476
Speaker 4: really start like connecting to the artist and wanting to

677
00:33:35,596 --> 00:33:39,596
Speaker 4: know more about more about the artist and their story,

678
00:33:39,796 --> 00:33:43,756
Speaker 4: and like being invested in the artistry rather than just

679
00:33:43,836 --> 00:33:44,276
Speaker 4: a song.

680
00:33:45,236 --> 00:33:47,476
Speaker 2: Who are some artists that you think that first started

681
00:33:47,476 --> 00:33:48,196
Speaker 2: to happen with.

682
00:33:49,316 --> 00:33:53,316
Speaker 4: I definitely think it was like Luke Holmb's uh huh.

683
00:33:53,516 --> 00:33:57,996
Speaker 4: I think that's where the shift started happening. And he

684
00:33:58,076 --> 00:34:00,796
Speaker 4: and I have been friends since twenty fourteen. He used

685
00:34:00,836 --> 00:34:03,836
Speaker 4: to come over to my camper and we'd write music together.

686
00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:06,636
Speaker 4: But you know, he's like a good old boy and

687
00:34:06,316 --> 00:34:08,876
Speaker 4: he and hewheared Wilumbia shirts and he drinks out of

688
00:34:09,276 --> 00:34:11,316
Speaker 4: woke up and like, I think a lot of people

689
00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:13,356
Speaker 4: felt like, well, he's simple, just like me.

690
00:34:13,876 --> 00:34:17,116
Speaker 3: You know. It's just the way that they can connect

691
00:34:17,116 --> 00:34:17,876
Speaker 3: to the person to.

692
00:34:19,116 --> 00:34:21,396
Speaker 2: So did you know back then when you were you

693
00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:25,516
Speaker 2: guys were writing music in twenty fourteen. Did you recognize that, like,

694
00:34:25,596 --> 00:34:27,876
Speaker 2: maybe his story could be part of his appeal?

695
00:34:28,636 --> 00:34:30,316
Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew it.

696
00:34:31,156 --> 00:34:34,236
Speaker 4: There was something about him, and that's why I walked

697
00:34:34,276 --> 00:34:36,636
Speaker 4: up to him the very first night I met him

698
00:34:37,036 --> 00:34:40,636
Speaker 4: at a place called Tin Roof on Demumbrian It's called

699
00:34:40,636 --> 00:34:43,516
Speaker 4: ten Roof Revival, and they had a church pew and

700
00:34:43,556 --> 00:34:46,236
Speaker 4: people would get up there and tell their stories and

701
00:34:46,236 --> 00:34:48,556
Speaker 4: sing their songs. And he had not made like a

702
00:34:48,556 --> 00:34:52,276
Speaker 4: writing trip to Nashville just yet, but I remember like

703
00:34:52,316 --> 00:34:53,956
Speaker 4: walking up to him and tapping while.

704
00:34:53,756 --> 00:34:57,316
Speaker 3: He was sitting on the pew and being like, I

705
00:34:57,356 --> 00:34:59,716
Speaker 3: want to write with you, and he's like, who is

706
00:34:59,876 --> 00:35:01,556
Speaker 3: you know? Who are you? Or whatever?

707
00:35:01,676 --> 00:35:04,996
Speaker 4: And so the next time he made a trip to Nashville,

708
00:35:05,236 --> 00:35:09,836
Speaker 4: he came over my camper and we wrote and I kind.

709
00:35:09,636 --> 00:35:12,236
Speaker 3: Of just felt like like I knew him.

710
00:35:12,716 --> 00:35:15,916
Speaker 4: And Yeah, there's something really special about that when you

711
00:35:15,916 --> 00:35:18,796
Speaker 4: can sit down with somebody and you don't even have

712
00:35:18,836 --> 00:35:21,876
Speaker 4: to like sit there and like really get to know him,

713
00:35:22,196 --> 00:35:23,516
Speaker 4: you just feel like you just kind of do.

714
00:35:24,196 --> 00:35:26,676
Speaker 3: I think that's what makes him so special with his fans.

715
00:35:28,036 --> 00:35:30,036
Speaker 2: At what point did you realize that you have an

716
00:35:30,036 --> 00:35:33,396
Speaker 2: incredible story and that your story could be part of

717
00:35:33,436 --> 00:35:36,676
Speaker 2: your like part of the full package. Was that something

718
00:35:36,716 --> 00:35:38,076
Speaker 2: you knew on your own or was that when you

719
00:35:38,116 --> 00:35:40,916
Speaker 2: got with your manager or with the label.

720
00:35:41,036 --> 00:35:43,636
Speaker 3: So my manager and I have been working together about

721
00:35:43,716 --> 00:35:47,316
Speaker 3: nine years and she's my best friend, and it's a

722
00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:50,476
Speaker 3: funny story because neither one of us had anything going on.

723
00:35:50,596 --> 00:35:55,316
Speaker 3: She was working for an entertainment lawyer, and she kind

724
00:35:55,316 --> 00:35:58,276
Speaker 3: of felt sorry for me because she's like, like, I

725
00:35:58,316 --> 00:35:58,876
Speaker 3: think she's.

726
00:35:58,796 --> 00:36:01,076
Speaker 4: Kind of good, but like, why is nobody wanting to

727
00:36:01,476 --> 00:36:04,316
Speaker 4: write music with her? And why is like, you know,

728
00:36:04,356 --> 00:36:06,236
Speaker 4: why are these things happening for other people but not

729
00:36:06,316 --> 00:36:08,916
Speaker 4: for her? Like she was kind of just like she

730
00:36:09,156 --> 00:36:13,036
Speaker 4: felt bad for me. And so she would get songwriters'

731
00:36:13,076 --> 00:36:16,396
Speaker 4: email addresses from this company that she was working for.

732
00:36:17,116 --> 00:36:20,876
Speaker 3: You would send them my music and a lot of

733
00:36:20,956 --> 00:36:24,196
Speaker 3: times nobody, nobody would even respond. I mean, she's like, hey,

734
00:36:24,276 --> 00:36:25,876
Speaker 3: would you like to write with this girl? Blah blah

735
00:36:25,876 --> 00:36:26,836
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.

736
00:36:27,076 --> 00:36:29,676
Speaker 4: But if anything, it just started kind of like my

737
00:36:29,796 --> 00:36:33,556
Speaker 4: name started circulating around town a little bit more, and

738
00:36:33,556 --> 00:36:36,956
Speaker 4: then I think eventually people were like, why do I

739
00:36:37,036 --> 00:36:39,356
Speaker 4: keep hearing this name? And it was because of those

740
00:36:39,396 --> 00:36:41,396
Speaker 4: friendships that I had made, and I had never really

741
00:36:41,436 --> 00:36:45,956
Speaker 4: asked anybody for anything. There were a lot of songwriters

742
00:36:45,996 --> 00:36:48,716
Speaker 4: that I had relationships with that we had never written,

743
00:36:49,276 --> 00:36:51,836
Speaker 4: but I never wanted to abuse.

744
00:36:51,796 --> 00:36:53,676
Speaker 3: Our friendship and our relationship.

745
00:36:53,716 --> 00:36:56,476
Speaker 4: I felt like they had been here longer than I had,

746
00:36:56,596 --> 00:36:59,476
Speaker 4: and like they had a few you know, songs under

747
00:36:59,476 --> 00:37:01,876
Speaker 4: their belt and stuff like that, and we were gonna

748
00:37:01,876 --> 00:37:06,156
Speaker 4: write when we were supposed to. I realized once Mandolin

749
00:37:06,236 --> 00:37:10,596
Speaker 4: and I my manager really just like that down and

750
00:37:10,636 --> 00:37:11,796
Speaker 4: started brainstorming.

751
00:37:12,516 --> 00:37:17,596
Speaker 3: Uh, during the pandemic is when I realized, Okay, this

752
00:37:17,716 --> 00:37:19,436
Speaker 3: don't have to be just about the songs.

753
00:37:19,476 --> 00:37:19,676
Speaker 2: You know.

754
00:37:20,836 --> 00:37:24,556
Speaker 4: We knew that our story basically just showed a lot

755
00:37:24,556 --> 00:37:27,876
Speaker 4: of like determination and yeap in grit, and I noticed

756
00:37:27,876 --> 00:37:30,076
Speaker 4: that a lot of like even when I went on

757
00:37:30,156 --> 00:37:33,876
Speaker 4: radio tour, a lot of the radio pds, they were

758
00:37:33,916 --> 00:37:36,476
Speaker 4: like wanting to hear about my story, and they were

759
00:37:36,556 --> 00:37:40,036
Speaker 4: wanting to know if I, you know, if I basically

760
00:37:40,076 --> 00:37:43,596
Speaker 4: meant everything I said in that song mm hmm. And

761
00:37:43,756 --> 00:37:46,556
Speaker 4: I think that's probably where I realized that this is

762
00:37:46,596 --> 00:37:47,276
Speaker 4: gonna get fun.

763
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:52,036
Speaker 2: How important is it in country music that the stories

764
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:56,036
Speaker 2: that you telling your songs are true. How important is

765
00:37:56,116 --> 00:37:58,076
Speaker 2: authenticity in country music?

766
00:37:58,756 --> 00:38:02,756
Speaker 4: Our first single, the first verse says, I can change

767
00:38:02,756 --> 00:38:04,156
Speaker 4: the tire on the side of the road.

768
00:38:04,796 --> 00:38:07,636
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even thinking twice about writing that line.

769
00:38:08,356 --> 00:38:10,636
Speaker 4: But then if everybody didn't want to talk about it,

770
00:38:10,676 --> 00:38:12,236
Speaker 4: and I want to want to know if I could

771
00:38:12,316 --> 00:38:12,916
Speaker 4: really do that?

772
00:38:13,796 --> 00:38:15,596
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's fun.

773
00:38:15,996 --> 00:38:18,796
Speaker 4: But I will tell you the songs that I end

774
00:38:18,876 --> 00:38:20,836
Speaker 4: up recording and the ones that I put on my

775
00:38:20,916 --> 00:38:24,956
Speaker 4: record are definitely who I am, and they tell like

776
00:38:25,076 --> 00:38:27,756
Speaker 4: my story to the core, and that has seemed to

777
00:38:27,796 --> 00:38:30,556
Speaker 4: like work the best for me. But like I said,

778
00:38:30,716 --> 00:38:33,356
Speaker 4: you know, songs like I did, like with Hardy about

779
00:38:33,396 --> 00:38:36,836
Speaker 4: the domestic abuse. Like I said, I didn't go through that,

780
00:38:37,316 --> 00:38:40,916
Speaker 4: But I think back to like nineties country music, and

781
00:38:40,956 --> 00:38:44,276
Speaker 4: I think about like that storytelling aspect of it, and

782
00:38:44,316 --> 00:38:47,996
Speaker 4: so sometimes I don't think it has to be your story.

783
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:51,596
Speaker 4: I think you're just telling a story for somebody and

784
00:38:52,156 --> 00:38:55,676
Speaker 4: like stepping into the shoes of another character. And those

785
00:38:55,716 --> 00:38:57,516
Speaker 4: are some of my favorite songs to write.

786
00:38:58,156 --> 00:39:00,916
Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite nineties storytelling songs?

787
00:39:01,316 --> 00:39:06,236
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, like thunder Rolls and Goodbye Earl and

788
00:39:06,716 --> 00:39:08,676
Speaker 3: Whiskey Lullabye.

789
00:39:08,196 --> 00:39:12,756
Speaker 4: And there's so many songs like that that I didn't

790
00:39:12,796 --> 00:39:14,916
Speaker 4: even know what I was singing about when I was that,

791
00:39:15,356 --> 00:39:16,916
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like I was over here

792
00:39:16,996 --> 00:39:18,356
Speaker 4: playing the murder ballads.

793
00:39:19,996 --> 00:39:21,116
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

794
00:39:21,996 --> 00:39:23,196
Speaker 3: What did you grow up listening to?

795
00:39:24,036 --> 00:39:24,156
Speaker 4: So?

796
00:39:24,316 --> 00:39:28,796
Speaker 2: I grew up listening to mostly hip hop, R and

797
00:39:28,836 --> 00:39:32,196
Speaker 2: B reggae, but then I had like a big grateful

798
00:39:32,276 --> 00:39:38,996
Speaker 2: Dead era grunge of course, like Nirvana. Yeah, and I

799
00:39:38,996 --> 00:39:41,916
Speaker 2: would I would just embarrassing to tell you, but I

800
00:39:41,916 --> 00:39:44,716
Speaker 2: would tell people like be like, oh, what kind of

801
00:39:44,756 --> 00:39:47,036
Speaker 2: music you into? And it'd be like, everything but country.

802
00:39:47,836 --> 00:39:48,476
Speaker 3: I get it.

803
00:39:49,196 --> 00:39:52,356
Speaker 4: I get it, though, because there's a time during country

804
00:39:53,116 --> 00:39:54,956
Speaker 4: that like even my mama felt that way.

805
00:39:55,716 --> 00:39:58,236
Speaker 3: Really yeah, my mama was like, I'm not a real

806
00:39:58,316 --> 00:39:58,796
Speaker 3: fan of.

807
00:39:58,836 --> 00:40:02,796
Speaker 4: Like that Debbie Downer stuff, you know, like won't won't won't.

808
00:40:03,636 --> 00:40:05,036
Speaker 3: So I get it.

809
00:40:05,476 --> 00:40:07,916
Speaker 2: Really, did you ever listen to anything else but country?

810
00:40:08,316 --> 00:40:11,836
Speaker 3: I listened to rock and roll, like that's what you know.

811
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:15,396
Speaker 3: When the sun went down and the drinks came out, yep.

812
00:40:15,436 --> 00:40:18,516
Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to hear something with a loud guitar and

813
00:40:18,996 --> 00:40:22,596
Speaker 4: extra thomp, like whether it was Rolling Stones or Leonard

814
00:40:22,596 --> 00:40:26,596
Speaker 4: Skinnyerd or Bob Seeger, and I think all those folks

815
00:40:26,636 --> 00:40:28,116
Speaker 4: have influenced country.

816
00:40:29,516 --> 00:40:31,636
Speaker 1: After another quick break, we'll be back with more from

817
00:40:31,716 --> 00:40:39,116
Speaker 1: Laney Wilson. Here's the rest of Leo Rose's conversation with

818
00:40:39,196 --> 00:40:39,956
Speaker 1: Laney Wilson.

819
00:40:40,876 --> 00:40:43,196
Speaker 2: Is there anything with this new album with Whirlwind? Is

820
00:40:43,196 --> 00:40:45,556
Speaker 2: there anything now that it's been out for about a month?

821
00:40:46,196 --> 00:40:49,876
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you're just really surprised people are

822
00:40:49,996 --> 00:40:52,436
Speaker 2: missing or aren't asking you about.

823
00:40:52,956 --> 00:40:54,396
Speaker 3: That's a really great question.

824
00:40:55,236 --> 00:40:59,596
Speaker 4: It seems like they're asking all the questions that I

825
00:40:59,636 --> 00:41:02,756
Speaker 4: assumed they would, or like they're paying attention to the

826
00:41:02,836 --> 00:41:06,236
Speaker 4: things that, like I was paying attention to when I

827
00:41:06,276 --> 00:41:06,836
Speaker 4: was writing it.

828
00:41:07,316 --> 00:41:10,436
Speaker 3: I think my fans are smart. You can't get much vibe,

829
00:41:10,516 --> 00:41:11,276
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

830
00:41:11,516 --> 00:41:15,316
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like when you think you do, somebody's still going

831
00:41:15,396 --> 00:41:17,316
Speaker 4: to be like, I see what you did there, or

832
00:41:17,396 --> 00:41:19,156
Speaker 4: I see why you did it.

833
00:41:19,156 --> 00:41:21,556
Speaker 2: It seems like now that your relationship has gone public,

834
00:41:21,596 --> 00:41:23,996
Speaker 2: people maybe are trying to dig and get more information

835
00:41:24,076 --> 00:41:26,836
Speaker 2: about what's really going on or what you're thinking or what.

836
00:41:28,356 --> 00:41:31,356
Speaker 4: It is so funny, It really is so funny, And

837
00:41:31,356 --> 00:41:34,876
Speaker 4: that's kind of been fun too. Like my daddy used

838
00:41:34,876 --> 00:41:36,796
Speaker 4: to always say, if you tell all your business, you

839
00:41:36,796 --> 00:41:40,316
Speaker 4: ain't got none, and so to a certain extent, you know,

840
00:41:40,516 --> 00:41:43,956
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I keep our relationship

841
00:41:44,036 --> 00:41:47,436
Speaker 4: like as closed off and like sacred as I possibly can,

842
00:41:47,516 --> 00:41:50,836
Speaker 4: because like you involve social media and everything like.

843
00:41:50,796 --> 00:41:54,836
Speaker 3: That and you can open a can of worms. Oh definitely,

844
00:41:55,396 --> 00:41:56,916
Speaker 3: and we I mean we've been dating.

845
00:41:56,716 --> 00:42:00,516
Speaker 4: Almost four years and people even know I had a

846
00:42:00,516 --> 00:42:02,196
Speaker 4: boyfriend until about a year ago.

847
00:42:03,316 --> 00:42:05,116
Speaker 2: Was that part of the plan, like to be Is

848
00:42:05,156 --> 00:42:10,756
Speaker 2: it more attractive for you to be single? Do you

849
00:42:10,796 --> 00:42:12,516
Speaker 2: think there is.

850
00:42:13,476 --> 00:42:19,396
Speaker 3: A time definitely where it sucks to say, but like

851
00:42:19,436 --> 00:42:20,716
Speaker 3: as a female.

852
00:42:20,316 --> 00:42:24,276
Speaker 4: In the business, not even like that I needed to

853
00:42:24,316 --> 00:42:26,716
Speaker 4: be like single, but I just needed to prove a

854
00:42:26,756 --> 00:42:31,076
Speaker 4: point that like like I'm here, I'm here to show

855
00:42:31,156 --> 00:42:33,956
Speaker 4: up and do business. Like I don't have anything like

856
00:42:34,276 --> 00:42:37,516
Speaker 4: sidetracking me or anything, and I never have.

857
00:42:37,676 --> 00:42:41,556
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been nothing but my biggest supporter and cheerleader.

858
00:42:41,596 --> 00:42:45,476
Speaker 4: But like it is weird how people you know the thing,

859
00:42:45,556 --> 00:42:47,916
Speaker 4: Oh she's all bowed up. Now next next thing, you know,

860
00:42:47,956 --> 00:42:49,756
Speaker 4: she's gonna have a baby and get married, and like

861
00:42:49,796 --> 00:42:53,756
Speaker 4: she's all washed, and that right there has got to change.

862
00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:57,156
Speaker 4: I have some of the most talented friends who are

863
00:42:57,196 --> 00:43:00,956
Speaker 4: gonna do so well and they have kids and ain't like,

864
00:43:01,436 --> 00:43:04,476
Speaker 4: guess what us ladies, we can do it all.

865
00:43:05,196 --> 00:43:06,676
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah we can.

866
00:43:07,356 --> 00:43:11,116
Speaker 2: It seems like when your first single things a man

867
00:43:11,196 --> 00:43:13,676
Speaker 2: ought to Know? Like when that did that become a

868
00:43:13,756 --> 00:43:16,716
Speaker 2: number one song on country radio? Okay? And that was

869
00:43:16,796 --> 00:43:19,436
Speaker 2: kind of a rare thing for a female artist in

870
00:43:19,476 --> 00:43:20,956
Speaker 2: country radio at the time, right.

871
00:43:21,276 --> 00:43:24,676
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it had been a minute for sure.

872
00:43:25,316 --> 00:43:29,716
Speaker 4: I feel a shift that was Was it twenty one, Yeah,

873
00:43:29,796 --> 00:43:33,356
Speaker 4: twenty one when I had my first hit, And it's

874
00:43:33,356 --> 00:43:35,916
Speaker 4: so crazy to think that it's really only been three years.

875
00:43:36,316 --> 00:43:37,916
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's like, not that

876
00:43:38,036 --> 00:43:38,836
Speaker 2: long ago, not.

877
00:43:38,796 --> 00:43:40,836
Speaker 3: That long ago. And we had a lot of a

878
00:43:40,836 --> 00:43:43,636
Speaker 3: lot of like radio hits since then.

879
00:43:43,796 --> 00:43:47,236
Speaker 4: And I'm starting to see more females pop up, and

880
00:43:48,396 --> 00:43:51,516
Speaker 4: it's good for me to see, like I have so

881
00:43:51,596 --> 00:43:54,876
Speaker 4: many of the women who came before me to think

882
00:43:55,036 --> 00:43:58,836
Speaker 4: and like, I know, the only reason I'm where I'm at,

883
00:43:58,876 --> 00:44:01,276
Speaker 4: and the only reason that I'm on the radio and

884
00:44:01,316 --> 00:44:04,316
Speaker 4: winning awards and all these other things is because of

885
00:44:04,396 --> 00:44:05,396
Speaker 4: the work that they put in.

886
00:44:05,916 --> 00:44:08,036
Speaker 3: And well it's not the only reason, it's not the

887
00:44:08,076 --> 00:44:08,676
Speaker 3: only reason.

888
00:44:09,556 --> 00:44:12,196
Speaker 2: Don't give them that much it's not that because of you.

889
00:44:12,476 --> 00:44:14,276
Speaker 3: I busted my ass.

890
00:44:13,956 --> 00:44:16,116
Speaker 2: For sure, and you're you're really good at it.

891
00:44:16,116 --> 00:44:20,476
Speaker 4: Too, thank you, But like I know that. I mean,

892
00:44:20,516 --> 00:44:23,756
Speaker 4: like you think about think about Dolly Parton, and you

893
00:44:23,796 --> 00:44:27,716
Speaker 4: think about like every trail that she's had to go

894
00:44:27,796 --> 00:44:30,596
Speaker 4: down and just like black over and over again, and

895
00:44:30,636 --> 00:44:33,356
Speaker 4: then like here comes Reba and then she has to

896
00:44:33,396 --> 00:44:37,676
Speaker 4: continue like blazing trails, and then the ladies of the

897
00:44:37,756 --> 00:44:42,356
Speaker 4: nineties and then like Miranda Lambert and Carry Underwood and.

898
00:44:42,276 --> 00:44:45,596
Speaker 3: Like those girls. There's there's not been a lot of

899
00:44:46,276 --> 00:44:47,956
Speaker 3: girls in the mix, and.

900
00:44:47,876 --> 00:44:50,676
Speaker 4: I think even now, like I'm gonna have to continue

901
00:44:50,796 --> 00:44:53,956
Speaker 4: doing that? Are the ones coming up? They're I don't

902
00:44:53,996 --> 00:44:55,916
Speaker 4: have to continue doing that for each other too.

903
00:44:56,876 --> 00:44:59,236
Speaker 2: So you signed your record deal, you met your manager

904
00:44:59,716 --> 00:45:02,956
Speaker 2: before the first single came out. When did your whole

905
00:45:02,996 --> 00:45:05,756
Speaker 2: package kind of solidify and all come together with like

906
00:45:06,116 --> 00:45:10,476
Speaker 2: the bell bottoms, the look, your story, the songs, Like

907
00:45:10,596 --> 00:45:13,676
Speaker 2: when did everything kind of fit together? Was there a

908
00:45:13,716 --> 00:45:16,116
Speaker 2: moment where you're like, all right, we have it, it's

909
00:45:16,196 --> 00:45:19,116
Speaker 2: complete and it's ready to yeap push out there.

910
00:45:19,716 --> 00:45:25,676
Speaker 4: So I started wearing bell bottoms twenty fifteen, so about

911
00:45:25,796 --> 00:45:28,756
Speaker 4: nine years now, and even my old skinny jeans. My

912
00:45:28,796 --> 00:45:31,516
Speaker 4: granny sewed fabric into the side and made them in

913
00:45:31,596 --> 00:45:32,756
Speaker 4: the billbottoms.

914
00:45:34,156 --> 00:45:35,956
Speaker 2: Why did you decide to do the bell bottoms? Because

915
00:45:35,956 --> 00:45:38,636
Speaker 2: it was good with like because I look up on

916
00:45:38,756 --> 00:45:40,836
Speaker 2: like Pinterest and stuff for like how to dress my

917
00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:43,636
Speaker 2: body shape, and a lot of times it'll be yea

918
00:45:43,756 --> 00:45:46,276
Speaker 2: like tell me to do the bell bottoms.

919
00:45:46,356 --> 00:45:48,836
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you got a bell bottom, you might want

920
00:45:48,836 --> 00:45:51,836
Speaker 3: to wear beil bottoms. Totally, I'm telling you.

921
00:45:52,396 --> 00:45:55,836
Speaker 4: I realized really quick that like I couldn't just be

922
00:45:55,876 --> 00:45:59,396
Speaker 4: a decent singer songwriter mm hmm, like if I wanted

923
00:45:59,396 --> 00:46:01,716
Speaker 4: to really cut through in this business and have people

924
00:46:01,716 --> 00:46:05,196
Speaker 4: remember me, and even if it kind of made them

925
00:46:05,196 --> 00:46:07,076
Speaker 4: like raise their eyebrows a little bit and be like,

926
00:46:07,836 --> 00:46:10,676
Speaker 4: what in the world is she wearing? I remember thinking

927
00:46:10,716 --> 00:46:13,956
Speaker 4: back to like, Okay, what can I do that makes

928
00:46:13,956 --> 00:46:16,876
Speaker 4: me like stand out? But that is also like real

929
00:46:16,996 --> 00:46:19,396
Speaker 4: to me? And I thought back to this pair of

930
00:46:19,396 --> 00:46:22,116
Speaker 4: bell bottoms I got one same year wrote my first

931
00:46:22,116 --> 00:46:25,156
Speaker 4: song the same year I went to Nashville for the

932
00:46:25,196 --> 00:46:29,796
Speaker 4: first time, nine years old, and I remember how those

933
00:46:29,796 --> 00:46:33,356
Speaker 4: bell bottoms made me feel, and I felt like I

934
00:46:33,516 --> 00:46:36,116
Speaker 4: dance around the house and those things and sing, and

935
00:46:36,716 --> 00:46:39,436
Speaker 4: my sister had this this spotlight and we turned all

936
00:46:39,476 --> 00:46:41,396
Speaker 4: the lights out in the house and she followed me

937
00:46:41,436 --> 00:46:44,156
Speaker 4: every step of the way, like, you know, pretend I

938
00:46:44,196 --> 00:46:48,596
Speaker 4: was doing a show, and that's what it was. I

939
00:46:48,636 --> 00:46:50,676
Speaker 4: just came down to like that memory and that feeling,

940
00:46:50,716 --> 00:46:53,916
Speaker 4: and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna try this, and I

941
00:46:54,076 --> 00:46:55,476
Speaker 4: just tried it and tried.

942
00:46:55,236 --> 00:46:59,556
Speaker 3: It and tried it. I've always loved like Stevie Nick's

943
00:46:59,556 --> 00:47:00,796
Speaker 3: fashion and.

944
00:47:01,636 --> 00:47:05,956
Speaker 4: You know Bill Bottom, Arrow, Dolly and Janis Joplin and like,

945
00:47:06,556 --> 00:47:10,196
Speaker 4: I don't know, like the outfits that just kind of

946
00:47:10,196 --> 00:47:12,356
Speaker 4: told a story. And I saw all I've ever really

947
00:47:12,356 --> 00:47:15,636
Speaker 4: wanted to do is just tell a story. So I

948
00:47:15,676 --> 00:47:20,716
Speaker 4: did that straight for nine years now. But it all

949
00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:23,556
Speaker 4: just kind of started making sense. I think once I

950
00:47:23,596 --> 00:47:26,636
Speaker 4: got into the studio and I did my first record

951
00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:30,956
Speaker 4: with Jay Joyce, yep, that's when it really started making sense.

952
00:47:31,636 --> 00:47:34,956
Speaker 3: And I feel like he's somehow well.

953
00:47:34,796 --> 00:47:36,396
Speaker 4: He got to know me, and he got to know

954
00:47:36,516 --> 00:47:40,476
Speaker 4: my personality, my style and everything before I ever even

955
00:47:40,476 --> 00:47:42,276
Speaker 4: played him any music. I hung out with him three

956
00:47:42,316 --> 00:47:44,996
Speaker 4: or four times and we just got to know each

957
00:47:44,996 --> 00:47:47,756
Speaker 4: other and each other's background, and.

958
00:47:47,236 --> 00:47:51,076
Speaker 3: He somehow made my music sound the way that I

959
00:47:51,116 --> 00:47:56,236
Speaker 3: look so cool, and I think that as a talent,

960
00:47:56,796 --> 00:47:58,956
Speaker 3: I always said, I wanted it to be like fresh

961
00:47:58,996 --> 00:48:00,156
Speaker 3: but also kind of familiar.

962
00:48:00,556 --> 00:48:05,596
Speaker 2: It's rocking too. So you sought him out, right, Jay Joyce,

963
00:48:05,636 --> 00:48:07,436
Speaker 2: you wanted to work with him? What was it about

964
00:48:07,436 --> 00:48:08,756
Speaker 2: his sound that you loved?

965
00:48:09,676 --> 00:48:14,356
Speaker 4: So I remember just like listening to the radio, and

966
00:48:14,796 --> 00:48:17,316
Speaker 4: I really at that time was not when I first

967
00:48:17,316 --> 00:48:22,116
Speaker 4: got to Nashville, I wasn't really paying attention to producers.

968
00:48:21,436 --> 00:48:21,676
Speaker 3: You know.

969
00:48:21,716 --> 00:48:23,396
Speaker 4: I always thought Jerry was gonna be the one that

970
00:48:23,436 --> 00:48:25,676
Speaker 4: produced my stuff, and yeah.

971
00:48:25,356 --> 00:48:26,356
Speaker 3: And that was it.

972
00:48:27,156 --> 00:48:29,836
Speaker 4: But I started listening to like Eric Church, and I'm like, man,

973
00:48:29,956 --> 00:48:33,036
Speaker 4: there's something about his stuff that just cuts through and

974
00:48:33,076 --> 00:48:36,676
Speaker 4: it's different, but it still sounds country, but it's got

975
00:48:36,676 --> 00:48:39,036
Speaker 4: this like rocking edge and.

976
00:48:39,076 --> 00:48:41,476
Speaker 3: Got like little bells and whistles. It almost seems like

977
00:48:41,516 --> 00:48:42,036
Speaker 3: a little.

978
00:48:41,836 --> 00:48:45,316
Speaker 4: Fairy dust was sprinkled on it, and it just sounds different.

979
00:48:45,636 --> 00:48:48,956
Speaker 4: Like I noticed that, like the tone of the instruments,

980
00:48:49,356 --> 00:48:53,716
Speaker 4: it just was like interesting and a little left footed.

981
00:48:54,156 --> 00:48:55,876
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about Jay is that like

982
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:57,756
Speaker 4: he's not trying to be perfect. He'll walk up to

983
00:48:58,316 --> 00:49:01,156
Speaker 4: a guitar while we're playing it and untune it a

984
00:49:01,156 --> 00:49:05,716
Speaker 4: little bit. And I think that's what makes us work

985
00:49:05,796 --> 00:49:07,956
Speaker 4: so well together because I'm not trying to be perfect either,

986
00:49:08,036 --> 00:49:10,876
Speaker 4: and we're not scared to like color outside of the.

987
00:49:10,836 --> 00:49:11,636
Speaker 3: Lines a little bit.

988
00:49:11,756 --> 00:49:13,556
Speaker 4: Now if it goes too far, we can reel it

989
00:49:13,596 --> 00:49:18,116
Speaker 4: back in, but rather color outside of the lines and

990
00:49:18,156 --> 00:49:20,996
Speaker 4: then have to you know, real it back in instead

991
00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:24,196
Speaker 4: of just never go in there. So I noticed like

992
00:49:24,396 --> 00:49:27,916
Speaker 4: Eric Church's music I loved, and then Brothers Osbourne there

993
00:49:27,996 --> 00:49:31,996
Speaker 4: was something out There's stuff too, and and then Ashley McBride,

994
00:49:32,036 --> 00:49:34,276
Speaker 4: and then there was a record that Miranda did that

995
00:49:34,356 --> 00:49:38,036
Speaker 4: I thought, man, this this record just some magic in it,

996
00:49:38,116 --> 00:49:40,436
Speaker 4: Like I just felt it. And then it was like

997
00:49:41,036 --> 00:49:43,476
Speaker 4: all of these songs and all of these artists that

998
00:49:43,556 --> 00:49:45,156
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like obsessed.

999
00:49:44,796 --> 00:49:47,116
Speaker 3: With, work with this one dude.

1000
00:49:47,636 --> 00:49:51,596
Speaker 4: And then it's so crazy because I kind of thought, well,

1001
00:49:51,636 --> 00:49:52,956
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't have a record deal, so

1002
00:49:52,996 --> 00:49:55,676
Speaker 4: there's no way that I can even probably be friends.

1003
00:49:55,356 --> 00:49:59,636
Speaker 3: With this man, you know, right. And I was writing

1004
00:49:59,676 --> 00:50:01,556
Speaker 3: with a friend of mine, Frank.

1005
00:50:01,356 --> 00:50:04,916
Speaker 4: Romano, who has played on a lot of different things,

1006
00:50:05,116 --> 00:50:09,436
Speaker 4: incredible guitar player, but he lived like a a couple

1007
00:50:09,396 --> 00:50:11,836
Speaker 4: of blocks away from Jay and they were friends, and

1008
00:50:12,156 --> 00:50:13,436
Speaker 4: he said, I've been randomly.

1009
00:50:13,476 --> 00:50:15,796
Speaker 3: I didn't even tell him how much I liked Jay Joyce.

1010
00:50:15,836 --> 00:50:16,876
Speaker 3: He just said, I've.

1011
00:50:16,716 --> 00:50:20,396
Speaker 4: Been mentioning your name, but Jay and he said eventually

1012
00:50:20,436 --> 00:50:21,916
Speaker 4: he just said, who is this girl?

1013
00:50:21,916 --> 00:50:23,316
Speaker 3: And why do he keep talking about her?

1014
00:50:24,276 --> 00:50:26,716
Speaker 4: He said, so, if you'd like to like, I'll I'll

1015
00:50:26,716 --> 00:50:28,796
Speaker 4: set you up and you can just go over to

1016
00:50:28,836 --> 00:50:29,876
Speaker 4: a studio and meet him.

1017
00:50:30,516 --> 00:50:31,996
Speaker 3: And I did.

1018
00:50:32,076 --> 00:50:34,556
Speaker 4: I went and got him coffee, and when I walked in,

1019
00:50:35,156 --> 00:50:39,116
Speaker 4: he has this old, like renovated church, like stained glass windows,

1020
00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:43,636
Speaker 4: but he's got like these interesting like coun creep figures

1021
00:50:44,356 --> 00:50:46,516
Speaker 4: on that kind of looks like a gravestone. So it

1022
00:50:46,596 --> 00:50:48,996
Speaker 4: was like a little dark, and I was like, what

1023
00:50:49,036 --> 00:50:52,196
Speaker 4: am I getting help into? And then he opens the

1024
00:50:52,236 --> 00:50:54,996
Speaker 4: door and he's like smoking a cigarette inside of the church,

1025
00:50:55,116 --> 00:50:57,316
Speaker 4: and I thought, these are my kind of people.

1026
00:50:59,316 --> 00:50:59,676
Speaker 2: I did.

1027
00:50:59,716 --> 00:51:01,956
Speaker 4: I was like, I fit in here like this, this

1028
00:51:01,996 --> 00:51:05,676
Speaker 4: is where I fit in, like just unapologetically hisself.

1029
00:51:06,356 --> 00:51:09,516
Speaker 2: Yeah. How high profile of a producer or was he

1030
00:51:09,596 --> 00:51:10,676
Speaker 2: in Nashville at the time?

1031
00:51:11,516 --> 00:51:12,556
Speaker 3: He was high profile.

1032
00:51:12,676 --> 00:51:17,436
Speaker 4: There were tons of folks that wanted to work with him.

1033
00:51:17,996 --> 00:51:21,156
Speaker 4: I had just signed a record deal, right when I

1034
00:51:21,196 --> 00:51:24,236
Speaker 4: met him and my label would ask me to like,

1035
00:51:24,396 --> 00:51:24,756
Speaker 4: who do you.

1036
00:51:24,716 --> 00:51:26,956
Speaker 3: Want to do your first project? And I said, well,

1037
00:51:26,996 --> 00:51:28,316
Speaker 3: Jay Joyce and they're.

1038
00:51:28,036 --> 00:51:33,676
Speaker 4: Like really, they said, Jay Joyce don't just like work

1039
00:51:33,716 --> 00:51:37,076
Speaker 4: with anybody. And then, like I said, Mirank hooked us up.

1040
00:51:37,436 --> 00:51:40,796
Speaker 4: And the next time I had a conversation about who

1041
00:51:40,796 --> 00:51:43,516
Speaker 4: I wanted to produce my stuff with a label, I

1042
00:51:43,556 --> 00:51:45,996
Speaker 4: told him I said, well, I've already talked to him

1043
00:51:46,356 --> 00:51:49,036
Speaker 4: and he wants to do my record, so we got

1044
00:51:49,036 --> 00:51:50,276
Speaker 4: to figure out how to come up with the money

1045
00:51:50,316 --> 00:51:50,676
Speaker 4: and do it.

1046
00:51:51,276 --> 00:51:54,436
Speaker 2: And you just started gofund me whatever I.

1047
00:51:54,716 --> 00:51:57,596
Speaker 3: Eliminate stand I'm not playing.

1048
00:51:59,476 --> 00:52:02,436
Speaker 2: So once you once things started to finally take off

1049
00:52:02,476 --> 00:52:04,876
Speaker 2: and you you know, your name was known around town

1050
00:52:05,076 --> 00:52:08,916
Speaker 2: and first album is out, You're getting a bunch of opportunities.

1051
00:52:09,876 --> 00:52:12,036
Speaker 2: How is it different than what you thought it would be?

1052
00:52:12,036 --> 00:52:13,996
Speaker 2: Because if you wanted this your whole life, since you're

1053
00:52:14,036 --> 00:52:17,236
Speaker 2: in fourth grade, now you're actually in it, was it

1054
00:52:17,276 --> 00:52:18,636
Speaker 2: anything like you thought it would be?

1055
00:52:19,796 --> 00:52:22,196
Speaker 4: That's that's an interesting question because at times I feel

1056
00:52:22,236 --> 00:52:24,796
Speaker 4: like it's better than I thought it would be, but

1057
00:52:24,916 --> 00:52:27,556
Speaker 4: also just different than I thought it would be, meaning

1058
00:52:28,396 --> 00:52:32,396
Speaker 4: I feel like my life has changed a lot, like

1059
00:52:32,476 --> 00:52:34,876
Speaker 4: my day to day life is is a lot different,

1060
00:52:34,916 --> 00:52:38,436
Speaker 4: even like just having to like having an assistant and

1061
00:52:38,516 --> 00:52:41,276
Speaker 4: you know, like things like that because I just can't

1062
00:52:41,316 --> 00:52:44,756
Speaker 4: get it done unless I have help, and that part,

1063
00:52:44,836 --> 00:52:47,436
Speaker 4: right there has been an adjustment, even like having to

1064
00:52:47,796 --> 00:52:51,036
Speaker 4: have security and and things like that.

1065
00:52:51,116 --> 00:52:52,916
Speaker 2: And good, I'm glad you have security.

1066
00:52:53,196 --> 00:52:56,556
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we got security probably about like a year

1067
00:52:56,556 --> 00:52:59,956
Speaker 4: and a half ago. And yeah, I mean it's not

1068
00:53:00,116 --> 00:53:03,676
Speaker 4: easy to like get used to somebody like following you

1069
00:53:03,716 --> 00:53:05,756
Speaker 4: around kind of in your shadow or whatever, but which

1070
00:53:05,756 --> 00:53:07,756
Speaker 4: you get used to it. And so I guess those

1071
00:53:07,756 --> 00:53:10,916
Speaker 4: are the things right there that I just you don't expect,

1072
00:53:10,956 --> 00:53:13,516
Speaker 4: like the things that come along with it, certain feelings

1073
00:53:13,556 --> 00:53:18,396
Speaker 4: that I've had, meaning like the incredible feelings that I've had,

1074
00:53:18,476 --> 00:53:20,356
Speaker 4: like you just don't even you can't wrap your head

1075
00:53:20,356 --> 00:53:23,596
Speaker 4: around it until it happens, but also the bad feelings

1076
00:53:23,596 --> 00:53:24,036
Speaker 4: I've had.

1077
00:53:24,436 --> 00:53:26,476
Speaker 3: You have high highs and low lows, and I know

1078
00:53:26,516 --> 00:53:29,356
Speaker 3: that I heard so many people say that for years.

1079
00:53:29,916 --> 00:53:31,836
Speaker 2: Yes, and it makes no sense.

1080
00:53:32,156 --> 00:53:35,796
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know

1081
00:53:35,876 --> 00:53:38,916
Speaker 3: how high is low lows? And but I get it.

1082
00:53:39,396 --> 00:53:41,196
Speaker 2: Can you explain it to me? Because I don't get it,

1083
00:53:41,676 --> 00:53:44,196
Speaker 2: Like I feel like if you had money, Yeah, it's

1084
00:53:44,196 --> 00:53:45,156
Speaker 2: the money piece for me.

1085
00:53:45,276 --> 00:53:49,276
Speaker 4: Like money makes better, I'll tell you that. Yeah, like

1086
00:53:49,356 --> 00:53:53,596
Speaker 4: for me because I feel everything to my core. It's

1087
00:53:53,676 --> 00:53:57,276
Speaker 4: like the social media thing. It's like it's like people

1088
00:53:57,956 --> 00:54:02,196
Speaker 4: talking about every little thing about you, meaning like your body,

1089
00:54:03,076 --> 00:54:06,556
Speaker 4: and that can get weird. I'm like, whether I gain

1090
00:54:06,636 --> 00:54:09,396
Speaker 4: twenty pounds or lose twenty pounds, that ain't gotten nothing

1091
00:54:09,436 --> 00:54:09,676
Speaker 4: to do.

1092
00:54:09,636 --> 00:54:10,276
Speaker 3: With my music.

1093
00:54:11,276 --> 00:54:14,596
Speaker 4: And I feel like in the beginning, like when that

1094
00:54:14,636 --> 00:54:17,756
Speaker 4: kind of stuff started happening, I thought, well, at least

1095
00:54:17,756 --> 00:54:21,716
Speaker 4: they're talking about me. But when I was really with myself,

1096
00:54:22,716 --> 00:54:26,756
Speaker 4: some of these things are just hurtful and words are powerful.

1097
00:54:26,796 --> 00:54:30,756
Speaker 4: That's why I became a songwriter, because I think words

1098
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Speaker 4: are powerful and people do not realize that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I learned my lesson about reading the comment, so I

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00:54:36,716 --> 00:54:39,996
Speaker 4: don't do that anymore. But no matter what, it's still

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00:54:40,076 --> 00:54:43,796
Speaker 4: it pings your heart and for a split second you

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00:54:43,876 --> 00:54:46,596
Speaker 4: might believe it about yourself, and then it's like you

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00:54:46,676 --> 00:54:49,836
Speaker 4: have to call your mama and FaceTime your nephews and

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00:54:50,236 --> 00:54:52,876
Speaker 4: do those things that reminds you that you're not just

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00:54:53,196 --> 00:54:56,396
Speaker 4: laying the artist, like you have a lot of other jobs.

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Speaker 3: Too, And like I know who I am. The Lord

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Speaker 3: knows who I am.

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Speaker 4: My people know who I am, and that's really the

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Speaker 4: only thing that matters.

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Speaker 3: Because you put yourself out there, you put yourself on

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Speaker 3: a platform.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and people are gonna love you, and people are

1113
00:55:13,236 --> 00:55:15,756
Speaker 4: gonna hate you. And sometimes people just hate you because

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00:55:15,796 --> 00:55:19,596
Speaker 4: other people love you. Yeah, that's hard for me to understand,

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Speaker 4: like how people can just like say mean hurtful things.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, who raised you? You know, I'm like, I

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00:55:27,116 --> 00:55:27,876
Speaker 3: don't get it.

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Speaker 4: But also I've learned how to just like let it

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00:55:31,876 --> 00:55:33,636
Speaker 4: go in one air and out the other and just

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Speaker 4: remember who I am, you know, like I am not

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Speaker 4: who they say I am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. It's like an and it's not something

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Speaker 2: that all of a sudden is a problem that you

1124
00:55:46,076 --> 00:55:48,676
Speaker 2: like figure out and it's fixed and then you're fine,

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Speaker 2: you move on to something else. It's an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 3: It's an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what, I don't even think I

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Speaker 4: have it as bad as some of my other friends

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00:55:56,676 --> 00:55:59,796
Speaker 4: in a business. Like when it comes to the amount

1130
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Speaker 4: of like hate or whatever you want to say, it's

1131
00:56:02,476 --> 00:56:06,716
Speaker 4: called I get some, but my heart goes out to

1132
00:56:06,876 --> 00:56:09,756
Speaker 4: a lot of my buddies. I'm just like, I hope

1133
00:56:09,796 --> 00:56:11,716
Speaker 4: I'm not raising this, you know.

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Speaker 2: Especially as you get older too, And it seems like

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00:56:16,036 --> 00:56:17,716
Speaker 2: to me that you're someone who's in this for the

1136
00:56:17,756 --> 00:56:21,676
Speaker 2: long haul, Like this is just like you know, something

1137
00:56:21,716 --> 00:56:23,396
Speaker 2: that you're trying out for a little while, but it

1138
00:56:23,476 --> 00:56:26,316
Speaker 2: seems like you're gonna be one of these artists like

1139
00:56:26,996 --> 00:56:29,876
Speaker 2: you know, I know you've collaborated with the Rolling Stones.

1140
00:56:29,916 --> 00:56:32,556
Speaker 2: You opened up for the Stones, and they're still out

1141
00:56:32,556 --> 00:56:36,716
Speaker 2: there doing it and they're in their eighties. Yeah, you've

1142
00:56:36,716 --> 00:56:38,836
Speaker 2: been up on stage with Dolly Pardon, Like, do you

1143
00:56:38,916 --> 00:56:44,556
Speaker 2: see yourself in an advanced age still doing this on stage?

1144
00:56:44,716 --> 00:56:48,476
Speaker 3: I do, I one hundred percent, dude. I will tell

1145
00:56:48,516 --> 00:56:53,436
Speaker 3: you I'm not always gonna be as busy as I've been.

1146
00:56:54,356 --> 00:56:58,196
Speaker 3: Like I've been busy, busy, busy, busy main and there

1147
00:56:58,196 --> 00:57:01,876
Speaker 3: are big moments in my life when when I'll get

1148
00:57:01,916 --> 00:57:06,476
Speaker 3: married and have kids and like because when that happens,

1149
00:57:06,556 --> 00:57:08,316
Speaker 3: like that's that's gonna be my focus. And I mean

1150
00:57:08,316 --> 00:57:11,716
Speaker 3: I almost stop doing job because I need to always

1151
00:57:11,716 --> 00:57:14,756
Speaker 3: write music. But I'm gonna be around.

1152
00:57:15,236 --> 00:57:18,156
Speaker 4: I can't imagine my life without it, and then then

1153
00:57:18,276 --> 00:57:21,276
Speaker 4: watching folks like Mick Jagger and Dolly do their thing,

1154
00:57:21,356 --> 00:57:23,796
Speaker 4: it's just like you can do it, you know, But

1155
00:57:23,836 --> 00:57:25,436
Speaker 4: I got to take care of myself on the front

1156
00:57:25,556 --> 00:57:28,556
Speaker 4: end so I will have longevity like that.

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00:57:29,876 --> 00:57:31,916
Speaker 2: How has it been for you meeting these people? Like

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00:57:31,956 --> 00:57:34,556
Speaker 2: I know you've performed in front of like Springsteen and

1159
00:57:34,596 --> 00:57:37,636
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney and is the fan in you? Is it

1160
00:57:37,716 --> 00:57:41,196
Speaker 2: somehow disappointing meeting the people or do they seem like

1161
00:57:41,236 --> 00:57:44,116
Speaker 2: normal people to you at this point or what's that?

1162
00:57:44,236 --> 00:57:47,116
Speaker 4: Like? I think in my head I had it built

1163
00:57:47,196 --> 00:57:49,436
Speaker 4: up of what I thought it was gonna be like,

1164
00:57:50,316 --> 00:57:52,876
Speaker 4: and truthfully, after getting to know them, it's even better.

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00:57:53,676 --> 00:57:54,076
Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:57:54,636 --> 00:57:56,956
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you just realize that they're just real people.

1167
00:57:57,556 --> 00:58:00,676
Speaker 3: They put their breeches on the same way as I do,

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00:58:00,916 --> 00:58:04,116
Speaker 3: like one leg at a time, and I love it.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people say, don't meet your heroes, but

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00:58:07,316 --> 00:58:09,756
Speaker 4: so far with my heroes that I've met, but they

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00:58:09,756 --> 00:58:12,876
Speaker 4: have not let me down. And even like becoming really

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00:58:12,876 --> 00:58:17,756
Speaker 4: close with why not a Judd? She is salt of

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00:58:17,796 --> 00:58:22,556
Speaker 4: the earth I'm talking about weekly will send me devotionals

1174
00:58:22,556 --> 00:58:24,516
Speaker 4: and say a prayer over me and just be like,

1175
00:58:24,556 --> 00:58:27,516
Speaker 4: how are you where you at And that's really cool

1176
00:58:27,516 --> 00:58:28,156
Speaker 4: for me to see.

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Speaker 3: And they're sitting an example that, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: What I want to be. You can be that to

1179
00:58:33,676 --> 00:58:37,196
Speaker 2: somebody else. Yeap. What was it like singing with Dolly

1180
00:58:37,236 --> 00:58:39,716
Speaker 2: on stage? You sing well, the clip that I saw

1181
00:58:39,756 --> 00:58:42,676
Speaker 2: you sang, I Will Always Love You with Dolly, that's

1182
00:58:42,676 --> 00:58:43,756
Speaker 2: a hard song to sing.

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00:58:43,916 --> 00:58:47,676
Speaker 3: That's a hard song to sing. Nobody, nobody has any

1184
00:58:47,716 --> 00:58:50,796
Speaker 3: business doing a Dolly Parton song, and especially that one.

1185
00:58:51,236 --> 00:58:54,316
Speaker 3: But when Dolly Parton asked you to do it, you

1186
00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:54,956
Speaker 3: figure it out.

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Speaker 4: So the thought of it was terrifying until like I

1188
00:59:00,236 --> 00:59:03,036
Speaker 4: got down there and we like rehearsed it, and she

1189
00:59:03,156 --> 00:59:05,876
Speaker 4: just makes you feel so comfortable, and she's like, well,

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00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:07,796
Speaker 4: come on, Lennie, getna do this like you do that part,

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00:59:07,836 --> 00:59:10,676
Speaker 4: and I'll take this, and like you just seem like

1192
00:59:10,676 --> 00:59:13,476
Speaker 4: like you just knew her your whole life and she's

1193
00:59:13,516 --> 00:59:14,836
Speaker 4: even better than you could have imagine.

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00:59:14,876 --> 00:59:17,876
Speaker 3: So she made me feel comfortable. I'm telling you right now,

1195
00:59:18,116 --> 00:59:24,196
Speaker 3: like that and the Rolling Stones, I'm done. I'm done.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: What are you writing now? What are you writing about?

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Speaker 3: This past weekend? I wrote five or six songs. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: when can we put a record out again, They're like, hold.

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Speaker 4: Up a minute, I am writing about about my life lately,

1201
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Speaker 4: I really do feel like I have to like live

1202
00:59:43,396 --> 00:59:46,276
Speaker 4: it to write it in two. Like even the songs

1203
00:59:46,276 --> 00:59:48,196
Speaker 4: that we wrote this weekend, I don't feel like all

1204
00:59:48,196 --> 00:59:50,116
Speaker 4: of them are for me. I want to help other

1205
00:59:50,156 --> 00:59:52,796
Speaker 4: people tell their stories too, Yeah, and too.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's times when I'm like I'm talking. I'm

1207
00:59:57,076 --> 00:59:58,036
Speaker 3: tired of talking about me?

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00:59:58,996 --> 01:00:00,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you tired of telling your story? And like

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01:00:01,116 --> 01:00:03,836
Speaker 2: you do so many interviews and I think it's awesome,

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01:00:04,356 --> 01:00:07,276
Speaker 2: Thank you, cause it takes a lot of energy to

1211
01:00:07,396 --> 01:00:08,556
Speaker 2: sit here for so long.

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Speaker 4: I remember a time when nobody wanted to talk to me,

1213
01:00:11,036 --> 01:00:13,276
Speaker 4: and I think that's probably where it comes from. Of

1214
01:00:13,476 --> 01:00:15,876
Speaker 4: just like, you know, I've got these opportunities now, and

1215
01:00:16,676 --> 01:00:19,036
Speaker 4: I feel like the interviews are starting to change though,

1216
01:00:19,476 --> 01:00:22,116
Speaker 4: Like for instance, this one today, I don't feel like

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01:00:23,116 --> 01:00:26,236
Speaker 4: I'm not having to sit here and sell myself. I'm

1218
01:00:26,276 --> 01:00:28,716
Speaker 4: not having to sit here and tell you like I'm

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Speaker 4: Laney Wilson from Basking Losing Anna.

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Speaker 3: My daddy farms corn wheats, we beans and notes.

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01:00:33,116 --> 01:00:35,636
Speaker 4: You know, It's like we're able to kind of like

1222
01:00:36,636 --> 01:00:40,316
Speaker 4: go there a little bit more, which I enjoy the

1223
01:00:40,476 --> 01:00:44,156
Speaker 4: time that has definitely felt robotic. You know, yes, when

1224
01:00:44,196 --> 01:00:47,236
Speaker 4: they're asking you the same questions. There's only so many

1225
01:00:47,236 --> 01:00:48,956
Speaker 4: different ways you can say it no.

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Speaker 2: But you're a hustler and I love it. I love

1227
01:00:50,636 --> 01:00:52,236
Speaker 2: that you're getting recognized for it too.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this. Good luck with everything. I

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01:00:56,596 --> 01:00:59,236
Speaker 2: hope you have a good time on the tour. I

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Speaker 2: hope you stay healthy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sister. I appreciate that. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Lennie Wilson for sharing her incredible story persevering

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