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Speaker 1: So on the Internet today, I found this and it says,
Speaker 1: speaking up for yourself can feel terrifying when life has
Speaker 1: led you to believe that you are responsible for managing
Speaker 1: other people's reactions. Reclaim your power by prioritizing your truth
Speaker 1: over their ego. I don't even feel like we have
Speaker 1: to dive into that too much, because you know, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's pretty self explanatory. I'm going to read
Speaker 1: it to you one more time so that you don't
Speaker 1: have to go back and listen to it again. It
Speaker 1: says speaking up for yourself can feel terrifying when life
Speaker 1: has led you to believe that you are responsible for
Speaker 1: managing other people's reactions. Reclaim your power by prioritizing your
Speaker 1: truth over there ego. I can't see that. Okay, what's up, y'all?
Speaker 1: Welcome to Hand Me My Purse the Podcast, and I'm
Speaker 1: me Me Walker, and I'll be your forever host each
Speaker 1: and every single time you tune into this podcast, So
Speaker 1: go ahead and get comfortable. Get yourself a glass of
Speaker 1: your favorite beverage, whether that's tap water with tapwater, ice cubes,
Speaker 1: some blood orange juice, a medicine ball from Starbucks, or
Speaker 1: a shot of jamison, and go light yourself a candle,
Speaker 1: some incense or burn some sage and just get ready
Speaker 1: to chill out and have yourself a good time. What's up, friends,
Speaker 1: and can it's me and me. Resident Auntie Supreme here
Speaker 1: and hand me my purse. And today I was sipping
Speaker 1: on mimosas. I had about four mimosas today at brunch
Speaker 1: and they were lovely. I also had some sangrea, but
Speaker 1: let's just focus on the mimosas right now. Okay, I
Speaker 1: am a big fan of mimosas. I prefer my Mimoses.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, through ancestors. I prefer my Moses.
Speaker 1: I love that. Wait a minute, wait a minute, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Speaker 1: I prefer my Moses with that didn't tickle you, because
Speaker 1: it definitely tickled me. Okay, maybe you don't have the
Speaker 1: same kind of uh sense of humor that I have,
Speaker 1: but anyway, I prefer I'm going to say it like
Speaker 1: that now in real time. I prefer my Moses to
Speaker 1: have ninety seven percent champagne and three percent orange juice.
Speaker 1: I don't really like my mimosas to be opaque. They
Speaker 1: ought to just be a wee bit cloudy. I don't
Speaker 1: want them to look like I have orange juice. I
Speaker 1: want it to look like I have cloudy champagne. Okay,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, just give me the champagne
Speaker 1: and put an orange slice on the rim of the glass.
Speaker 1: Don't even put any juice in it. Save all that
Speaker 1: juice for the next woman's drink, because I don't really
Speaker 1: need that, you know what I mean? Wow, So, friends
Speaker 1: and ken, this jam is the jam because it has
Speaker 1: been on my spirit. Okay. So, as I prepped for
Speaker 1: this show, or I did the framework for this episode,
Speaker 1: because I actually the main discussion, which is an interview,
Speaker 1: I did that about a month or two ago, and
Speaker 1: it's a two part interview. So just so you know,
Speaker 1: episode number sixty six will be part one. Episode number
Speaker 1: sixty seven will be part two. But as I did
Speaker 1: the framework for episode number sixty six, which are currently
Speaker 1: listening to, I listened to this song on repeat, and
Speaker 1: I mean it was on and when I listened to
Speaker 1: the songs on repeat, it'd be on for like ten, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty rounds. I listened to it rounds rounds rounds, right.
Speaker 1: The funny part is that, yeah, the day before I
Speaker 1: did the framework, the day before I sat down to
Speaker 1: work on this, I was singing this song all day
Speaker 1: long before I even got a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: and put it on and do the work. I sang
Speaker 1: this song all day and I just went about my
Speaker 1: day singing this song over and over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. And the tricky part is that
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I was going to make
Speaker 1: this the jam. But when I sat down and I
Speaker 1: put it on repeat, I was like, this has to
Speaker 1: be the jam because clearly my spirit is speaking to me,
Speaker 1: and we should know by now that I follows my
Speaker 1: spirit right. And so I want to say first and
Speaker 1: foremost that I truly love and I adore Boy George.
Speaker 1: I actually attribute and connect my artistic style when I
Speaker 1: was a full time makeup artist to my adoration and
Speaker 1: my love for him when I was a child. When
Speaker 1: I was a little girl, I was introduced to Boy
Speaker 1: George and Culture Club by my mother. She was a
Speaker 1: huge fan and she used to sing his music all
Speaker 1: the time, which meant I sang his music because my
Speaker 1: mother and I were very big on having mommy daughter
Speaker 1: concerts on a regular basis, And so I attribute my
Speaker 1: love for music and for being so open minded when
Speaker 1: it comes to musical expression to the time that I
Speaker 1: spent with my mother singing and listening to music. So
Speaker 1: shout out to my mother for that. I really loved
Speaker 1: how colorful boy George was and how confident and sure
Speaker 1: of himself he seemed to be. And I think that
Speaker 1: even as a child, I understood that, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know I understood it, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I think I was drawn to the authenticity, you know what.
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about that until just now. I
Speaker 1: think that I was just drawn to the fact that
Speaker 1: he was just being his authentic self, which says a lot,
Speaker 1: because you know, if it ain't authentic, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: And I think that his music is very much connected
Speaker 1: to his authentic spirit, and I just love him. He
Speaker 1: dares to be different. He's not really concerned about what
Speaker 1: people think or what people say, and even still to
Speaker 1: this day, his style, the way he dresses is really
Speaker 1: just a part of who he is. The song the
Speaker 1: Jam is actually by Culture Club. Culture Club is the
Speaker 1: group or the band that boy George was in in
Speaker 1: the eighties, and the song is called Time Clock of
Speaker 1: the Heart. I love boy George, period, but I love
Speaker 1: this song. And the way I ended up singing parts
Speaker 1: of this song the day before I sat down and
Speaker 1: listened to it and repeat was I was just having
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody and we were talking about time
Speaker 1: and not wasting time, and for some reason, that sparked
Speaker 1: a memory and it connected to the song for me,
Speaker 1: and I started singing the song and that's it. And
Speaker 1: I sang it and sang it and sing it and
Speaker 1: sing it and sing it, and won there it was.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that I did, because sometimes I like
Speaker 1: to be brought back to songs that I really love
Speaker 1: a lot. So anyway, it's called Time Clock of the Heart.
Speaker 1: I want you to listen to it. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to really read. Actually, I am going to read a
Speaker 1: couple of the lyrics. Hold on for a second, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into these lyrics. Why don't we don't put
Speaker 1: your head on my shoulder, sink me in a river
Speaker 1: of tears. This could be the best place yet, but
Speaker 1: you must overcome your fears. Oh in time, it could
Speaker 1: have been so much more. The time is precious. I
Speaker 1: know in time it could have been so much more.
Speaker 1: The time has nothing to show because time won't give
Speaker 1: me time and time makes lovers feel like they got
Speaker 1: something real. But you and me, we know we've got
Speaker 1: nothing but time and time won't give me time. Time
Speaker 1: won't give me time. Listen. If that did not make
Speaker 1: you want to go listen to that song, I don't
Speaker 1: know what your malfunction is. We used to say this
Speaker 1: grown up in baltis More. What's your major malfunction? Like
Speaker 1: you must have a major malfunction. What's your major malfunction?
Speaker 1: If you don't want to go listen to this song?
Speaker 1: Because first of all, the lyrics top notch, supreme okay,
Speaker 1: supreme lyrical writing here okay. Secondly, it sounded amazing. And
Speaker 1: if you don't think so, you know what, check your
Speaker 1: pulse because this song. I love this song. And this
Speaker 1: is not even my favorite song of his, but I
Speaker 1: love this song. So go ahead and get into it,
Speaker 1: and let's go ahead and get this Porty started shout
Speaker 1: out the boy George and culture Club. Yamu okay, friends
Speaker 1: in ken I am here today with a beautiful young
Speaker 1: lady who is going to share her story with us.
Speaker 1: Her name is Jasmine, and Jasmine, I want to just
Speaker 1: get straight into it. I want you to introduce yourself
Speaker 1: to my friends and ken friends and Ken is what
Speaker 1: I call my listeners because if they're not my friends,
Speaker 1: then they're my kin folks, and so I want you
Speaker 1: to introduce yourself to them.
Speaker 2: Of course, my name is Jasmine Espy and or Jasmine
Speaker 2: Havana Espy, and I'm a journalist, filmmaker, and HS advocate
Speaker 2: originally from Detroit, Michigan, and now I'm living in Los Angeles, California,
Speaker 2: and I'm a nonprofit founder as well.
Speaker 1: Awesome Detroit? What up though? What I know about Detroit?
Speaker 3: What up though?
Speaker 1: Okay? Tell my So the first thing I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you is what are you drinking today?
Speaker 2: I have a big gallon of Crystal Guyser water soon
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Can I say their brand name?
Speaker 1: You can? It's fine. They're giving me no money. But
Speaker 1: maybe another, maybe another water company will hear this and
Speaker 1: say let's have this lady out Exactly.
Speaker 2: I have a big gallon of water because I need
Speaker 2: to drink more water in my life.
Speaker 1: Okay, don't we all I am drinking. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say the brand, even though I really love it,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it. It's called Good and Gather
Speaker 1: and it's a Target brand. They have the best sparkling water.
Speaker 1: This one is caffeinated. It's pear hibiscus. I don't really
Speaker 1: like it. Okay, it's not the most delicious sparkling water
Speaker 1: I've ever born, but I love the brand like I
Speaker 1: love there. They have a dragon fruit. I want to
Speaker 1: say it might be passion fruit, dragon fruit. They have
Speaker 1: a ginger lemon. They have so many delicious ones, but
Speaker 1: this one is just not It's not hidden. As the
Speaker 1: kids say, it's not busting, it's not buzzing.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry because that's tough. Like you're drinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guess what, But I'm an old lady. I bought them.
Speaker 1: I bought them like two months ago and I'm still
Speaker 1: drinking them as I have one left. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: push through to the beauty. I'm going to finish this
Speaker 1: because I paid for it, and so I'm drinking this.
Speaker 1: It's not the worst thing I've ever sipped on. But
Speaker 1: the can is so pretty. You see it. It has
Speaker 1: little hibiscus flowers and pears and a peer Jane Green
Speaker 1: au huh. I love them and I love Target. They
Speaker 1: get my money in Starbucks. They take me down. But okay,
Speaker 1: you share what you were drinking. You mentioned HS. I
Speaker 1: am not even going to attempt to pronounce this, but
Speaker 1: walk me through it so that I can see it.
Speaker 1: All it's gonna take is for you to teach me
Speaker 1: one time and I'll be fine. What is HS? Chasmine?
Speaker 2: HS is hydrodenitis superativa hi, hydradnitis, hydrodnitis superativa.
Speaker 1: Yes, I got it. I'm on it now. Hydrodnitis super ativa.
Speaker 1: But for all intense intensive purpose? Is it intense or intensive?
Speaker 3: Intense and purposes?
Speaker 1: Intense and purposes? I remember I saw this on something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let the record reflect. We're just gonna say HS. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna call it HS. Okay, so tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about what HS is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, hydrogeniti is superativa is a debilitating, chronic complex inflammatory condition,
Speaker 2: also referred to as an immune meditated inflammatory illness and
Speaker 2: follicular occlusion.
Speaker 3: I know that sounds like a lot, but it.
Speaker 2: Has a huge impact on quality of life physically, mentally,
Speaker 2: and emotionally. One in one hundred people, it's estimated that
Speaker 2: they have it, and HS consists of these extremely painful
Speaker 2: and recurring abscesses that can develop anywhere where hair follicle
Speaker 2: is found on the body. So there doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be hair growth in order for you to experience hydron
Speaker 2: out of superativa. It is possible to experience absesses with
Speaker 2: the or lesions anywhere on our body, with the exception
Speaker 2: of like our palms of our hands, the soles of
Speaker 2: our feet are like the red parts of our lips
Speaker 2: for an example. Okay, and unfortunately, there's no cure or
Speaker 2: treatment to HS, but there are some treatment options that
Speaker 2: are available, which is why we always encourage patients to
Speaker 2: go and see an HS specialist or a dermatologist or
Speaker 2: their physician so that they can find out what those
Speaker 2: treatments are.
Speaker 1: What is the I actually know someone who has HS,
Speaker 1: someone that was very close to me actually has it,
Speaker 1: and she didn't really talk about whether or not it
Speaker 1: was painful, but it was definitely very much of an
Speaker 1: inconvenience for her. Yeah, and she's a big time fashionist
Speaker 1: to honey, she likes to wear outfits and it would
Speaker 1: definitely put a total damp on like what she wears
Speaker 1: white was rarely an option. She wore a lot of
Speaker 1: black and I remember she actually ended up having to
Speaker 1: have surgery on some of the I don't know what
Speaker 1: you would call what to call them lesions lesions issue.
Speaker 1: She had to have some surgery where I think they
Speaker 1: had to go in and like remove something. I think,
Speaker 1: but she has like a lot of scarring under her
Speaker 1: breast as a result of having HS. So tell me
Speaker 1: about when you found out that you had HS, or
Speaker 1: when you discovered that you had this condition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was eleven years old grade.
Speaker 1: When I work, I work with middle school children, So
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine like having to deal with that
Speaker 1: so young.
Speaker 2: It was tough, and it's still something that I'm unpacking
Speaker 2: as adult woman, thirty years old, still unpacking a lot
Speaker 2: of what happened to me as a child. But I
Speaker 2: developed my first abscess and it was the size of
Speaker 2: a golf ball under my right armpit. And I just
Speaker 2: woke up one day and it was just there and
Speaker 2: there were no signs.
Speaker 3: Or symptoms or anything of that nature.
Speaker 2: But I woke up, I went to the bathroom, I
Speaker 2: kind of looked under my arm and I felt this
Speaker 2: mass and I was like, what is this, I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything like this before. And I went to my mother,
Speaker 2: and because she was a part she was with me
Speaker 2: for all my medical issues. This was not the first
Speaker 2: issue that I had with my body, so she was
Speaker 2: always the person that I went to and this was
Speaker 2: just another thing added to the list, essentially, And so
Speaker 2: when she saw it, she was like, you know, this
Speaker 2: kind of looks like We thought.
Speaker 3: It was a boil at the time, of course, and so.
Speaker 2: We decided to go to my pediatrician to figure out
Speaker 2: what it was because, you know, my mom was like,
Speaker 2: you know, if it's a boil, people get them every
Speaker 2: once in a while in their lives, but it's abnormal
Speaker 2: that I'm a child getting them right, right, And so
Speaker 2: my pediatrician echoed the same thing and told me to
Speaker 2: put a hot compress on it and to kind of
Speaker 2: like come back if you know, something else happens or
Speaker 2: anything like that. And so I thought this was just
Speaker 2: a one and done situation, right, And that's absolutely not
Speaker 2: what that was. You know, when I first got the
Speaker 2: abscess under my armpit, that was the first of many
Speaker 2: until three years later when I got a diagnosis, which
Speaker 2: was in high school. I was in ninth grade, and
Speaker 2: I officially got a diagnosis because my mom worked at
Speaker 2: a healthcare agency and she saw a newsletter actually that
Speaker 2: described some of the symptoms that I had, and so
Speaker 2: she took it to me and she was like, I
Speaker 2: saw this, Do you want to go? Because I had
Speaker 2: been suffering this whole time. You know, this was after
Speaker 2: staying up for nights, you know, having absesses on my
Speaker 2: where I couldn't sleep, or you know, bleeding through my
Speaker 2: shirts in private school because we had white collared shirts. Like,
Speaker 2: after all of this trauma, you know, I finally got
Speaker 2: this newsletter that had maybe an inkling of a clinical
Speaker 2: trial that I could potentially participate in. So that's when
Speaker 2: we went to the clinic that was for Hydrogeted superativa
Speaker 2: or HS, and we went in I officially got my
Speaker 2: diagnosis with HS.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question, is it painful?
Speaker 2: It's very painful, and it really doesn't matter which severity
Speaker 2: level you have because it's mild, modern and severe or
Speaker 2: you can go by the Hurly stage system, which is
Speaker 2: Hurley one, two or three, and so regardless if you
Speaker 2: have mild matter or severe, it's extremely painful because even
Speaker 2: pe sized lumps can feel like your world's ending.
Speaker 3: But just imagine if that was a golf ball or
Speaker 3: rapefruit or it can grow.
Speaker 2: To be huge and it can really impact your life
Speaker 2: just mentally, physically, emotionally, everything, especially.
Speaker 1: Being a baby. I think that because I work with
Speaker 1: young children and children of that age group, like I
Speaker 1: would be so like I can't imagine, like one of
Speaker 1: my students and kids are so mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: kids are ruthless and yeah, like I could not imagine,
Speaker 1: or I could imagine because if I knew that, like
Speaker 1: if a parent came to me and said, hey, my
Speaker 1: baby is suffering with this, just keep an eye out
Speaker 1: for her or him, and if other kids bothered them,
Speaker 1: I would I'm like the protective auntie. I would tell
Speaker 1: them to shut up, or that's why your shoes are dirty.
Speaker 1: Don't make fun of other people, because I would definitely
Speaker 1: do I would definitely do that, don't make fun of her,
Speaker 1: because you know I'm that kind. But I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: That sounds like really it makes me sad, not sad
Speaker 1: like pity, but like, you know, I'm really empathetic when
Speaker 1: it comes to children because other children can be so mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it wasn't anything I got bullied
Speaker 2: for because it was something I hid except that one
Speaker 2: moment that mine could like it bled through my shirt
Speaker 2: and sometimes you know, at that time, HS comes with this.
Speaker 3: Futrid smell as well.
Speaker 2: So no matter how much you wash, and it's not
Speaker 2: because we're dirty, it's no no matter how much you wash,
Speaker 2: it's like you still smell. And it's at a young
Speaker 2: age when you're also dealing with puberty and then that
Speaker 2: it's like, oh.
Speaker 1: You know the smell is it from like the puss?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, that is.
Speaker 1: You are a strong lady, because that's a lot.
Speaker 2: Look, I've been through a lot and I'm here and
Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely that's That's a huge part of
Speaker 2: why I tell my story and why we did this
Speaker 2: docuseries The Beacons, because you know, it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of strength to go through this, and I really want
Speaker 2: to show other individuals dealing with HS that there are
Speaker 2: there's more than one side of dealing with this. I
Speaker 2: was at the worst part, the worst, like you know,
Speaker 2: severity level, and I was able to you know, redirect
Speaker 2: my life to being able to be an advocate in
Speaker 2: this community. And so it's not always easy. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that like it's a quick fix or anything
Speaker 2: of that nature, because it's not. But it does help,
Speaker 2: and it is definitely, like you know I talked about
Speaker 2: in the docuseries, it definitely has healed me in so
Speaker 2: many ways that I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Have been able to heal.
Speaker 1: So from some of the research that I did to
Speaker 1: prepare for our conversation, it facts women of color, particularly
Speaker 1: Black women, more so than any other demographic.
Speaker 2: Is that correct, That's what some of the the statistics say.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: The only issue with the statistics is that HS is
Speaker 2: something that we're still trying to figure out how to quantify,
Speaker 2: so the numbers are not as solid as they could be.
Speaker 2: But there there is some data that does point to
Speaker 2: African American women being more disportionately affected by HS in
Speaker 2: the black community and people of color in general as well.
Speaker 1: Do they know what that is linked to?
Speaker 3: No, And I wouldn't be able to speak to that.
Speaker 1: No, No, I would not. You're not a health not
Speaker 1: an expert. I wouldn't ask. I just didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: I just didn't know if you know, in doing your work,
Speaker 1: if you know anything has come out about what that.
Speaker 3: Could be linked to no, not not yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you mentioned that you have a docucy
Speaker 1: or that you've been working on a docuseries. Tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I essentially.
Speaker 2: Work collaborated with nov artists to create this docuseries called
Speaker 2: The Beacons and The Beacons is a six part docuseries
Speaker 2: that offers an intimate look at life living with hydrogenized
Speaker 2: super TIVA and it's an intimate look through the lives
Speaker 2: of other individuals with the condition. So each episode in
Speaker 2: the docuseries, it highlights one patient story and I'm really
Speaker 2: really proud to be one of them. And we each
Speaker 2: do our own story. We each have our own story,
Speaker 2: excuse me, but we are very much united in our
Speaker 2: desire to raise awareness of HS and encourage those that
Speaker 2: may be suffering in silence to take action, you know,
Speaker 2: for themselves. So this this series premiered at Tribeca Film
Speaker 2: Festival this year, which was exciting.
Speaker 1: That is so awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in June actually, and that was during HS Awareness Week,
Speaker 2: which is usually it falls on the first full week
Speaker 2: of June. HS Awareness Week does, and so I was
Speaker 2: very much honored to be at the premiere and to
Speaker 2: participate in the panel discussion.
Speaker 1: And to be fancy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very fancy.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Trying Back to Film Festival for
Speaker 1: featuring the Beacons.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yeah. It was a very
Speaker 2: exciting collaboration. We traveled across the world to talk to
Speaker 2: different patients. We went to London, to Paris, to Toronto,
Speaker 2: to New York, to Seattle. We just went and you know,
Speaker 2: hit the ground running with this series.
Speaker 1: That is awesome. I have a question what made you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have you know, Yeah, I think I know,
Speaker 1: but like tell us about what made you decide or
Speaker 1: why It's called the Beacons. So the beacons, when you
Speaker 1: think of like beacons, it's like a beacon of light. Hope.
Speaker 2: Hope is really the drive of this series. Hope is
Speaker 2: really the drive from the work that I personally do,
Speaker 2: even in my advocacy work. And so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of conversation around the symptoms and the debilitation of this condition,
Speaker 2: which is very much important to highlight because it's a
Speaker 2: huge aspect of dealing with this. On the other flip
Speaker 2: side of that as well, you know, people who are
Speaker 2: affected by HS also need hope. They need something to
Speaker 2: look forward to they need to know that there is
Speaker 2: a life that they can live and cultivate for themselves
Speaker 2: while dealing with this condition, and so the Beacons is
Speaker 2: really pointing towards that. And some of that is my
Speaker 2: own words, in my own interpretation, but it's definitely a
Speaker 2: part of the reason why we decided to kind of
Speaker 2: like create that name, as you know, the representation for
Speaker 2: this Docky series.
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, perfect, How much creative control do you have?
Speaker 2: So I was a co producer, so I was one
Speaker 2: of the individuals who was helping to bring everything together.
Speaker 2: Of course, there's always all these other moving parts, of course,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was a co collaborator and a co
Speaker 2: producer on the project. I interviewed all of the patients
Speaker 2: and then I also got to tell my own personal
Speaker 2: story as well, So I did have some influence on
Speaker 2: the docuseries.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 1: That's awesome And I don't know you, but like I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you one because you get to tell your
Speaker 1: own story. So that is definitely a form of healing
Speaker 1: or a way to help deal with or heal heal
Speaker 1: yourself as far as dealing with having HS. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure it made you feel good to know that you
Speaker 1: were in a space where you allowed other people to
Speaker 1: tell their story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it, it was a huge moment
Speaker 2: as a documentary filmmaker as well, you know, because this
Speaker 2: was a part of the work that I've been trying
Speaker 2: to do since grab school and so to see it
Speaker 2: come to fruition and to be able to really give
Speaker 2: the community that I'm serving something to look forward to
Speaker 2: as a representation of like themselves and so that they
Speaker 2: can feel seen and heard and really just like also
Speaker 2: deal with that shame aspect. You know, I've learned a
Speaker 2: lot about shame by doctor Brene Brown. I hope it's
Speaker 2: okay to plug her. She has taught me a lot
Speaker 2: about shame and vulnerability. And you know, my goal is,
Speaker 2: in my hope through this documentaries is that a lot
Speaker 2: of people affected by HS are coming face to face
Speaker 2: with shame and also embracing vulnerability because it's difficult for
Speaker 2: the average person to do it, but when you think
Speaker 2: about somebody with the crime illness, it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: even more complicated.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think like in a world like ours,
Speaker 1: because it is something that you know, it's aesthetic, you
Speaker 1: can see it it's on the outside, right, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's even more tough, I think, because like if
Speaker 1: you're sick or you have a condition and it's something internal,
Speaker 1: if it's hormonal and nobody can see it, or if
Speaker 1: it's you know, in no way, shape or form. Am
Speaker 1: I can comparing this to cancer or to HIV, or
Speaker 1: to high blood pressure or any of that. But when
Speaker 1: people can see it, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: when it's something that nobody can really see your shame,
Speaker 1: you can kind of you can kind of control it
Speaker 1: a little bit because nobody knows except for the people
Speaker 1: that I share it with. But when it's something like
Speaker 1: I have on a white shirt and I bled through
Speaker 1: and puss came through my shirt, and now everybody can
Speaker 1: see that, there's a shame that comes from that. Because
Speaker 1: the world is a cruel place, and it's not just children.
Speaker 1: Adults are cruel as well, like the looks, the stairs,
Speaker 1: the comments, and sometimes it can be your own family
Speaker 1: and friends who can say some not so kind things
Speaker 1: to you. So I can imagine. Can you describe, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care if you have to go
Speaker 1: into detail. We talked about that there's absesses this blood
Speaker 1: it's puss, tell us what it looks like, or tell
Speaker 1: us what it can look like, or areas where it
Speaker 1: is most affected. Because and the reason that I'm asking
Speaker 1: that it's not, you know, just so that you know
Speaker 1: my friends and can listen unders can understand. It's not
Speaker 1: for shock value. But I want to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: And the reason that I wanted to have this conversation
Speaker 1: with Jasmine is because there may be somebody who is
Speaker 1: dealing with this, or their child may be dealing with this,
Speaker 1: or their cousin or their niece or their nephew, or
Speaker 1: their coworker, their friend. And if you hear something that
Speaker 1: may sound like something that looks or feels familiar to
Speaker 1: you or to someone close to you, maybe you can
Speaker 1: offer them some guidance, like hey, maybe you should talk
Speaker 1: to your doctor, or maybe you can talk to a specialist,
Speaker 1: or just check out this docuseries that I heard about
Speaker 1: on this podcast, because it sounds like what you may
Speaker 1: be dealing with, especially something that is affecting like my community,
Speaker 1: the black community. That way, I want to be able
Speaker 1: to provide insight because all too often in our communities,
Speaker 1: you know, it is drink some ginger ale and sit down,
Speaker 1: lay down, drink some water. Oh, you just need to exercise,
Speaker 1: you just need to pray, go to church, put some
Speaker 1: holy oil on it. All these great options instead of
Speaker 1: really just going to the doctor and figuring out what's
Speaker 1: going on. And so tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: like what it actually looks like, or if you could
Speaker 1: take us through like what I know you mentioned a
Speaker 1: flare up, having a flare up, what does that look like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it depends on what severity levels severity level, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I.
Speaker 3: Can talk about my experience.
Speaker 2: So I had the severest form of HS, or early
Speaker 2: stage three, and essentially a flare up would look like,
Speaker 2: for an example, it would start with maybe like some
Speaker 2: pain in a specific area.
Speaker 3: So let's say the arm pit.
Speaker 2: That's one of the areas that you know an individual
Speaker 2: might experience HS.
Speaker 3: And so you may.
Speaker 2: Experience some intense itching, some redness, or some pain in
Speaker 2: the area before a lump appears, a nodule appears, and
Speaker 2: then maybe the next morning or maybe the next day,
Speaker 2: just kind of like how my experience was when I
Speaker 2: just woke up and I had that big nodule. That
Speaker 2: can happen and it'll grow and it'll grow and grow,
Speaker 2: and throughout the process it's very painful because imagine your
Speaker 2: skin stretching and there is just build up of puss
Speaker 2: coming through your skin. So eventually it bursts and sometimes
Speaker 2: there I've had abscesses where I've needed assistance with lancing
Speaker 2: and things of that nature because they wouldn't bust on
Speaker 2: their own, and so they'll they'll bust and there'll be
Speaker 2: a tunnel essentially that this fluid the pus is coming through,
Speaker 2: and so I've been able to press on the skin
Speaker 2: and had the pus come out of it and.
Speaker 3: Things of that nature. I've also had instances where I've
Speaker 3: had scar tissues, so I've had reoccurring abscesses in these areas.
Speaker 3: So imagine if I.
Speaker 2: Had like a wound and then it was trying to
Speaker 2: heal but it didn't and then another abscess appeared either
Speaker 2: or on top of it, and so it creates scar tissue.
Speaker 2: So there's these interconnected tunnels and there's this scar tissue
Speaker 2: as well as another abscess on top of this area,
Speaker 2: and so there's no like non disease skin in between.
Speaker 1: Right, It's just it's mounting on top like scar on
Speaker 1: top of scar on top of wound on top of
Speaker 1: scar and essentially it's just never ending and never healing
Speaker 1: until whatever treatment you take or get.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just depends.
Speaker 1: It depends because you said that there's no cure. There
Speaker 1: are treatment options, but there's no guarantee that it's gonna work.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 1: That is and see the things like this, the whole
Speaker 1: goal or the purpose of my show, or one of
Speaker 1: the many, is to tell stories that we don't really hear.
Speaker 1: You know, this isn't something that is really discussed, like
Speaker 1: in the world, but in particular in our community. One
Speaker 1: because one thing about black folks, we gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: look good and we don't want nobody to know. And
Speaker 1: I mean I understand that. And for me, it can
Speaker 1: definitely be traced all the way back hundreds of years
Speaker 1: you two slavery. Absolutely everything everything goes back. All roads
Speaker 1: lead back to the slavery. Unfortunately, I mean, it's the truth.
Speaker 1: And because we were not allowed to hold on to
Speaker 1: our traditions and our culture that we had before we
Speaker 1: got here or before I got here, before we were
Speaker 1: kidnapped and brought here, we were not allowed to focus
Speaker 1: on I'm not even gonna do all that because we
Speaker 1: were oppressed and we had less than I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of. I don't even know why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of a nice way to say this, because there
Speaker 1: really is no nice way to say that, because we
Speaker 1: got the shittiest of everything. It is so important in
Speaker 1: our culture and a lot of times other cultures, and
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't even understand where it comes from. It's
Speaker 1: important for us to look our best because we will
Speaker 1: take rags and make a gown, we will take slop
Speaker 1: and make a comforting meal and feed the masses. So
Speaker 1: it is important for us to look good because that
Speaker 1: is the one thing that we kind of have control over, right,
Speaker 1: And so that is something that we don't really talk
Speaker 1: about in our community because like, who would want someone
Speaker 1: to know that I don't, you know, I'm not looking
Speaker 1: good or I'm not looking my best. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: know I mentioned that someone very close to me or
Speaker 1: her that used to be very close to me has
Speaker 1: HS and I can just remember when you know, she
Speaker 1: would have a flare up. It would just throw her
Speaker 1: whole world off. Yeah, yeah, and she was really into
Speaker 1: like she's really in the style and clothes. She's an
Speaker 1: amazing she has amazing style, and it would just throw
Speaker 1: everything off. Like sometimes she wouldn't even go, Like if
Speaker 1: there was an event she was going to, she would
Speaker 1: just say, excuse my friends. She would just say, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm not going because this I'm not going because I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna bleed through or puss is
Speaker 1: going to come through my blouse. And you know that's horrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I was going to say that I've had
Speaker 2: those experiences too, Like fashion and things like that have
Speaker 2: been sort of my safe haven art fashion along with
Speaker 2: the work that I've been doing as well, and HS
Speaker 2: has severely impacted that. The experience that she had with
Speaker 2: wearing all black like white was very much. I was
Speaker 2: just kind of that was like my kryptonite. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't wear anything that's white. And imagine being a
Speaker 2: child going through middle school and your uniform is white
Speaker 2: is white, And it was like it was at the
Speaker 2: peak time that I was dealing with this condition, which
Speaker 2: was awful. You know, my clothes would stick to my
Speaker 2: body like at night, and you know, I had to
Speaker 2: peel my clothes off my body. You know, that's the
Speaker 2: experiences that we have, even if you're having like you know,
Speaker 2: mild hs, you're still dealing with the pus, the smells,
Speaker 2: the you know, the damage to your clothing. So if
Speaker 2: you are somebody with designer clothes like good luck, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, all right, friends, and can let's get
Speaker 1: into this straight facts question for today's episode. The person
Speaker 1: or the person who sent the question in because they
Speaker 1: didn't leave their name is coming from one of my
Speaker 1: favorite cities in America, and that is because I grew
Speaker 1: up there. And let me just go ahead and get
Speaker 1: into this question. Okay. I am seeing a man who
Speaker 1: is a high profile public figure. He spends nights with
Speaker 1: me and I also go over to stay at his place.
Speaker 1: During our last engagement, he shared that he has a
Speaker 1: wife that he doesn't plan to have or leave, but
Speaker 1: they are open to outside situationships m shue. I am
Speaker 1: not sure that I can handle being his outside woman. However,
Speaker 1: he treats me like a queen and much better than
Speaker 1: the single gentleman that I am dating. I really don't
Speaker 1: want to lose him. I feel lost. What advice can
Speaker 1: you give me? Lost in Love from Los Angeles? I
Speaker 1: love that they put lost in Love as their name.
Speaker 1: I think that's really cute anyway. Dear lost in Love, Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. You know, some people would be like,
Speaker 1: you're a home record girl. I ain't gonna judge you
Speaker 1: because that ain't my place. It's not my place and
Speaker 1: it's not my business. But what I will say is
Speaker 1: that you better really sit in this and think, because
Speaker 1: if you he's already he's made it very clear his
Speaker 1: intentions right, and his intention is to never leave his wife.
Speaker 1: So if you want to be in a committed relationship
Speaker 1: with this man, in an exclusive committed relationship with this man,
Speaker 1: this is not a good thing for you. Like, you
Speaker 1: should not be doing this if you feel like you
Speaker 1: can handle and buy and and you know, people listen
Speaker 1: to this. I don't want to hear no shit talking about, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're encouraging her to sleep with a married man. Listen,
Speaker 1: she already sleeping with a goddamn married man. I'm not
Speaker 1: encouraging shit. What I'm saying is you already in a situation,
Speaker 1: syst So let's just evaluate and make sure that we
Speaker 1: are making the best decisions for you, Okay, Because for me,
Speaker 1: it's all about lost in love. I don't know this man,
Speaker 1: I don't know his wife. I don't know they business.
Speaker 1: What I do know though, is that lost and love
Speaker 1: wrote in and so I'm trying to help her figure
Speaker 1: out what's best for her. Okay, So if you can
Speaker 1: handle being in a situation, and they all also said
Speaker 1: that he and his wife are open to outside situationships,
Speaker 1: let me just let you know from prior you know,
Speaker 1: knowledge and experience. Just because a man says that he
Speaker 1: and his wife are in an open relationship or they
Speaker 1: are open to outside situationships as you stated, that don't
Speaker 1: mean that's the truth. The wife may not know nothing
Speaker 1: about no open situationships and no outside relationships. Okay, she
Speaker 1: may be none the wiser. She may not know about
Speaker 1: none of this shit. That could be just him telling
Speaker 1: you this because men will tell you anything, you know
Speaker 1: to get what they want. And guess what women will
Speaker 1: tell men anything, or women anything or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: non binary people will tell anybody anything, you know, just
Speaker 1: anybody will tell people will say anything to get what
Speaker 1: they want. Right, So you have to understand that you
Speaker 1: can't go about this assuming that he and his wife
Speaker 1: are in an open relationship, because that could just be
Speaker 1: all plain.
Speaker 3: Bullshit.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it could be because the wife may
Speaker 1: not know anything about this. But if you are okay
Speaker 1: with dating him understanding that he's never going to leave
Speaker 1: his wife, he's always going to be with her, and
Speaker 1: you are okay with whatever you guys have, then okay,
Speaker 1: then be okay with it. But you can't say you're
Speaker 1: okay with it and then not really be okay with it,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna end double looking stupid when it's all
Speaker 1: said and done because he ain't leaving her. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's smart, and I think you got a little
Speaker 1: bit of sense because you said he treats me like
Speaker 1: a queen and much better than the single men that
Speaker 1: I'm dating or the single gentleman that I am dating.
Speaker 1: So that lets me know that you have not put
Speaker 1: all of your eggs in this married man's bad ask it.
Speaker 1: You are also dating other people, and also dating other
Speaker 1: men who are single who may be open to a relationship.
Speaker 1: And I hope that you have enough sense that if
Speaker 1: you meet a single man and he is open to
Speaker 1: dating you, and you guys really like each other, and
Speaker 1: you start dating him and you want to date him exclusively,
Speaker 1: that you will say, hey, married guy, high profile public figure, man,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to stop this because I'm interested in
Speaker 1: Jojo and me and Jojo are going to see where
Speaker 1: this goes. So that is the advice that I have
Speaker 1: to give you. Never ever expect that this man is
Speaker 1: going to leave his wife for you, because he is not.
Speaker 1: He's made it very clear. Believe what he says, because
Speaker 1: he's not. And he may not even leave the wife,
Speaker 1: even if he really wants to, even if he wants
Speaker 1: to be with you and he wants to leave his
Speaker 1: wife and he is not happy in his marriage and
Speaker 1: his marriage isn't fulfilling for him, and he is not
Speaker 1: free tom be, he may not leave. And you have
Speaker 1: to be a okay with that. And if you are
Speaker 1: a okay with that and you can live with that
Speaker 1: and you still want to date him, go for it,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know what I mean. Like, if
Speaker 1: that's what you want, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: you know everything is as it should be, and if
Speaker 1: that is who you are dating as well as a
Speaker 1: single man, that's what you're supposed to do. Because it's
Speaker 1: not a mistake. You know. There's either a lesson or
Speaker 1: a blessing or both in the interaction that you have
Speaker 1: with him. This is a great question. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's very very very very interesting. So good luck to
Speaker 1: you lost in love. Good luck. Don't be no dummy,
Speaker 1: though sis, don't be no dummy. Okay. And one more thing,
Speaker 1: this is another piece of advice. If the married man
Speaker 1: tells you or makes it seem like he doesn't want
Speaker 1: you to date other men, but he could still be married,
Speaker 1: because this kind of happened to me when I was
Speaker 1: like twenty one, I was dating this guy. I was
Speaker 1: really young. He was eleven years older than me, and
Speaker 1: I found out six months into us dating that he
Speaker 1: had a fiance, right, And I had just gotten out
Speaker 1: of a relationship with my very first major love, the
Speaker 1: man who was my soulmate and who could possibly still
Speaker 1: be one of my soulmates, you know, my first, my
Speaker 1: first loved, my college boyfriend, and I started dating like
Speaker 1: a bad boy, like a rough dude. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: he was like a drug dealer or a murderer or anything,
Speaker 1: but he was rough around the edges. And I found
Speaker 1: out six months and that he had a fiance, and
Speaker 1: I didn't stop seeing him because like, look, I was
Speaker 1: twenty one, I was fresh out of a four and
Speaker 1: a half year relationship. I was like whatever, sisters, trying
Speaker 1: to have a good time, and he and I had
Speaker 1: a good time. And I remember one night he told
Speaker 1: me that I better not be mess with nobody else,
Speaker 1: and I thought, this mother fucker crazy. He got to
Speaker 1: be crazy. An he was. He was crazy. But I
Speaker 1: continue to date other people, and I continued to see
Speaker 1: him until seeing him just was not It did not
Speaker 1: work out in my favor. It was not good for
Speaker 1: me anymore. But what I'm saying to you is if
Speaker 1: this man tries to make it seem like you should
Speaker 1: not be dating other people, or tries to stop you
Speaker 1: or interfere, interfere, excuse me with you dating other men
Speaker 1: or dating other people, because I, you know whatever, we
Speaker 1: don't do that. And this is what you should tell him.
Speaker 1: Jub Please get out of here, sir. Get out of here, sir,
Speaker 1: because you got a whole wife that you are at
Speaker 1: home with, and you should be home with her when
Speaker 1: I'm out on my dates. When I'm out on my dates,
Speaker 1: go home and beat with her. But when we together,
Speaker 1: it's just about me and you. But when you are
Speaker 1: with her, don't worry about me, because it's highly likely
Speaker 1: that I'm out on a date with another man, maybe
Speaker 1: even having sex with another man, and I highly suggest like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Like, I don't want nobody saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're encouraging her to be promiscuous. Shut
Speaker 1: the hell up, girl bye. Please, Okay, we're grown around here.
Speaker 1: If you want to sleep, I believe that people should
Speaker 1: sleep with whoever they want to sleep with, as long
Speaker 1: as it is consensual and it is two adults. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't get wrapped up into that and in that, don't
Speaker 1: be dumb. That's all I'm saying. If you want to
Speaker 1: play this game, if this is what you are deciding
Speaker 1: to do, just don't be stupid and good luck girl. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move forward. That's what you need to do. Move forward,
Speaker 1: and remember what my therapists always tell me. Do what
Speaker 1: you want to do, but do not do what you
Speaker 1: do not want to do. Friends in him for today's
Speaker 1: we got to do better. It comes from someone that
Speaker 1: I pull from on a regular basis I do. It's
Speaker 1: not from her book, or actually it might be, but
Speaker 1: that's not where I got it from. I have a
Speaker 1: book by her. It is none other than Auntie Susan L. Taylor,
Speaker 1: who used to be the editor in chief of Essence
Speaker 1: magazine in the nineties, maybe even the eighties. If you
Speaker 1: don't know who she is, google her. She's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1: Every time I use one of her quotes for we
Speaker 1: Got to Do Better, I just go on and on
Speaker 1: about how gorgeous and how just gracefully beautiful this woman is.
Speaker 1: She is so pretty. But anyway, Susan L. Taylor, she says,
Speaker 1: the most sacred place is not the church, the mosque,
Speaker 1: nor the temple. It's the temple of the body. That
Speaker 1: is where the spirit lives. Come on, Auntie Taylor, Auntie
Speaker 1: Susan Taylor, get deep for one moment, one more time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it for you and I'm not
Speaker 1: going into it. You can sit with this however you like.
Speaker 1: The most sacred place isn't the church, the mosque, nor
Speaker 1: the temple. It's the temple of the body, because that
Speaker 1: is where the spirit lives. The first thing that I
Speaker 1: want to do is I want to say thank you
Speaker 1: to God first and foremost, because God is supreme and
Speaker 1: I recognize and appreciate the grace that God extends to
Speaker 1: me every single day of my black ass life. The
Speaker 1: second thing that I want to do is I want
Speaker 1: to thank me. Yes, indeed I do. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you why I want to thank me.
Speaker 4: I want to thank me for believing in me. I
Speaker 4: want to thank me for doing all this horrible work.
Speaker 4: I want to thank me for having no days off.
Speaker 4: I want to thank me for never quitting.
Speaker 1: Listen, I put some work for the hood, for handing
Speaker 1: my purse, Okay, And I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you to myself because three and a half years later,
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Speaker 1: I had the money to hire a social media marketing person.
Speaker 1: But it's okay. I'm gonna get it together. But I'm
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