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Speaker 1: Let's set the inside scoop with that T senior insider

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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal. Freshest story out on in the Athletic from

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Speaker 1: Ken is about his question and answer with Ali Marmel,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals manager. So Ken, let's start with, just like the

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Speaker 1: top line, what was the most interesting thing that you

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Speaker 1: learned from that conversation with him about how he's done

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Speaker 1: and his job status.

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Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. The overriding thing to me

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Speaker 2: was when I asked about his job status, he basically

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Speaker 2: said he doesn't worry about that, and he said, I

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Speaker 2: know it's a cliche. He indicated he knows people won't

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Speaker 2: believe him. But the more he talked, and it's lent

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Speaker 2: the interview, so you have to read the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: but I did start to believe him, and I did

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Speaker 2: understand where he was coming from. His point was I

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Speaker 2: go one day at a time, I do the best

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Speaker 2: job I can, and the chips will fall. And I

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Speaker 2: also asked him about the looming presences of Yadier Molina

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Speaker 2: and Albert Pouhols, both of been public in their desire

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Speaker 2: to manage, and Marmel said that doesn't worry either. He

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Speaker 2: has great relationships with both I don't know that either

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Speaker 2: is going to be hired by hind Bloom to be

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Speaker 2: the manager. I would expect Dolli Marmel would return next year.

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Speaker 2: But those were two things that stood out. And then

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Speaker 2: also when I asked him what he needed to get

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Speaker 2: better at, and he said, listen, I'm a direct communicator,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes that can be really good, and sometimes with

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Speaker 2: some of the younger players, it's too much, and I've

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Speaker 2: got to be more compassionate and kind of show that

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Speaker 2: I'm in the fight with them rather than I'm simply

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Speaker 2: evaluating them. And I think all of these comments that

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Speaker 2: he had and all the things that we talked about

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Speaker 2: were really interesting, not just if you're a Cardinals fan,

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Speaker 2: but if you're a baseball fan and you want to

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Speaker 2: know how managers think and you want to see what

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Speaker 2: they value. Is important. When I asked him what he

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Speaker 2: needed to get better at, he didn't talk about anything

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Speaker 2: in the dugout with regard to game management. What he

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Speaker 2: talked about was what I just said, the community cation

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Speaker 2: part of it, and from so many managers today, that

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Speaker 2: is indeed the most important piece.

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Speaker 3: Do you think talking to him as long as you

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Speaker 3: did for this interview and just knowing him and knowing

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Speaker 3: other managers. Do you think his style works in a

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Speaker 3: big city, a big market, a New York, a Boston,

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Speaker 3: where you're always under fire. Saint Louis, you're kind of

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Speaker 3: under fire, but if you're a five hundred team, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like it's not really your fault, it's mozay

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Speaker 2: He was under fire the last two seasons, and remember

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Speaker 2: they missed the playoffs badly in twenty three, coming off

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Speaker 2: a great year his first year, and then twenty four

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Speaker 2: they were above five hundred eighty three and seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: but also missed the playoffs. So he does manage in

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Speaker 2: a town that is very knowledgeable about the game, and

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Speaker 2: while not as demanding perhaps as an East Coast kind

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Speaker 2: of situation, it has its own demands. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know that we have to worry about what he can

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Speaker 2: manage on the East Coast because I expect that he's

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Speaker 2: going to stay with Saint Louis. But I do think that, yes,

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Speaker 2: he could manage in a bigger, more high profile market

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: Ken we were there on Saturday, I didn't see if

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Speaker 4: you do this interview so I don't know that it really.

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Speaker 2: Happened Friday aj before you arrived.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, so of us were banana ball and cannot be

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Speaker 5: perfect for you too. You could be the You could.

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Speaker 4: Be the guy like the Eddy Goodell guy gets an

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Speaker 4: automatic walk.

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Speaker 5: Okay, here's here, here's what he gets it. He gets it,

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Speaker 5: he got it, he got.

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Speaker 3: It silt Yes, Oh that would be unbelieve sorr.

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Speaker 5: Or they could do it the other.

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Speaker 2: Way with my curt roll. Guys, I think I should

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Speaker 2: stay with where I am.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's what I want to know about Olie. You

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Speaker 4: kind of hit on it just in your answer right there.

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Speaker 4: But my thing is is can you blame him? I

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Speaker 4: think he's doing a pretty damn good job for the

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Speaker 5: I mean, Arnatto's done for the year. I would think.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that for sure, but you know, there's

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Speaker 4: no indication he's coming back anytime soon. A lot of

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Speaker 4: their pitching has gone down, they traded away their team.

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Speaker 4: They're still hovering around five hundred. I know they got

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Speaker 4: swept by the Yankees, but I think he's doing a

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Speaker 4: damn good job for the teams he's been handed twenty two,

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Speaker 4: he gets there. They still have a really good team,

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Speaker 4: Goldsmith wins the MVP.

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Speaker 5: That whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Twenty three is still they still have Wayne right and

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Speaker 4: Yachdi and they're doing they're doing the whole thing right.

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Speaker 4: And then twenty four and twenty five come and the

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Speaker 4: team kind of shoot or sorry, twenty three Yaudi was gone,

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Speaker 4: I think too, but you know whatever, they kind of oh,

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Speaker 4: all right, we're not gonna spend money, We're gonna do

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Speaker 4: this rebuild whatever they want to call it, retool, whatever

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Speaker 4: they're calling in the Cardinal land. But how can you

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Speaker 4: blame Ali He's managers are only as good as their players,

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Speaker 4: and good managers can make good players better. But if

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Speaker 4: you're great, you could be the greatest manager in the world,

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Speaker 4: and you have a crappy team and you get what.

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Speaker 5: You get at him, I think, oh, he does a

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Speaker 5: good job.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys were just talking to Evan Grant for

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Speaker 2: the Dallas w News. Bruce Bochi is a good manager

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Speaker 2: and that team has underperformed, not Bruce Bochi's fault. So

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Speaker 2: you didn't ask me this, AJ, But do I think

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Speaker 2: he's done a good job? Yes? I do. That wasn't

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Speaker 2: the premise of the article at all. What the premise

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Speaker 2: was initially, at least up top when I started the introduction.

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Speaker 2: What I wrote was that perhaps no manager was in

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Speaker 2: as uncomfortable a position entering the season as Marvel, and

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of reasons for that one. The

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Speaker 2: team on the field was, as you said, Aj, in transition,

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Speaker 2: they were going younger, they were trying to evaluate young players. Also,

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Speaker 2: they have a president of Baseball Operations, John Mazzelok in

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Speaker 2: his last year before being replaced by hin Bloom, who

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Speaker 2: was in the organization and evaluating in his own right.

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Speaker 2: And then you had and have Pooh, Hools and Molina

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Speaker 2: sitting out there, very public in their desires to manage.

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Speaker 2: So from all of those perspectives, how he's handled it,

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Speaker 2: all those different angles, I would say, yes, he's done

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Speaker 2: very well. The team has played probably better than a

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Speaker 2: lot of us thought it would, So based on this year,

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Speaker 2: I would expect that he is back next year. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that heim Bloom is going to make a

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Speaker 2: change just for the sake of change. I want my

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Speaker 2: right away. Ultimately, sure that could happen, but for now,

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Speaker 2: I would expect that Marvel would be back.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to switch subjects here to one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite times of the year based on an occurrence a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and we coined it the dump deadline.

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Speaker 1: So in less than two weeks, a team could put

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Speaker 1: a player on waivers. It can happen now, which you

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Speaker 1: report about over the weekend. I'll get to in a

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Speaker 1: sec and another team could claim that player for the

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Speaker 1: cost of the contract and that's it. So you report

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Speaker 1: it on John Gray over the weekend. I know it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter now he's hurt and no one claimed him,

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Speaker 1: But just curious if that sparks any other dump deadline

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Speaker 1: if they continue to fumble.

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Speaker 2: That's one team that I'm looking at, yes, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not exactly sure how they would go about it. They

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Speaker 2: They keep saying that, and it keeps not happening. So

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Speaker 2: come August twenty eighth, twenty ninth, they may have some

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Speaker 2: decisions to make. And they've got some relievers who are

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Speaker 2: potential free agents who could be attractive. Patrick Corbin fits

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Speaker 2: I don't see that being an issue. And if you

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Speaker 2: be a candidate. That would be the Los Angeles Angels,

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Speaker 2: And then you might see, I guess teams like the

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Speaker 2: Pirates try to save money. I was looking at the

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Speaker 2: Remember the angel did that two years ago, and if

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Speaker 2: I recall, they did not get under the threshold, or

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Speaker 2: the driver for them at that point. I don't know

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Speaker 2: teams will look to save money for their owners, even

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Speaker 2: if it's just a month's salary on a bigger type contract,

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Speaker 2: because if you're out of it, what's the harm. Now?

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Speaker 2: I know there are teams, just me correct, not correct that,

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Speaker 2: strong and finish with a positive one loss record. That

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Speaker 2: are other clubs that might look at it and say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's save some money for our owners.

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Speaker 2: I guess the Diamondbacks could be in that category as well.

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Speaker 2: So again, I'm not certain any of this is going

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Speaker 2: to happen, because the Diamondbacks, like the Rangers, do not

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Speaker 2: want to finish poorly and they want to get through

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Speaker 2: the season and build some momentum. But we saw with

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Speaker 2: the Angels that certainly it's a possibility. And what the

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Speaker 2: Rangers were doing with John Gray was a little bit separate.

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Speaker 2: They didn't know it was hurt at the time, but

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Speaker 2: he's a potential free agent. His role had diminished, so

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Speaker 2: they felt, you know what, let's give him an opportunity

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Speaker 2: somewhere else if that opportunity presents itself. It didn't and

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Speaker 2: now he's hurt. But that was kind of an unusual circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there will be some other players in that circumstance

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Speaker 2: should be. Let's let him go. I just can't see

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Speaker 1: this one. Zach Allen. He's pitched better this month. I

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Speaker 1: know it's been a really down year for him. The

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Speaker 1: a qualifying offer, but if the Diamondbacks aren't going to

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Speaker 1: that's one of the names. Basically I looked at who's

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how did he not get traded? If I

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Speaker 1: And he's been on fire in August too. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: No, those are good examples, but I'm going to kind

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Speaker 2: of quash both with Gallan. I believe the Diamondbacks will

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Speaker 2: that draft pick compensation. Gallan is going to sign, most

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Speaker 2: the compensation. And I know he's had a down year,

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Speaker 2: and if you waive him, you don't get that right.

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Speaker 2: So you want that, you want the draft pick compensation.

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Speaker 2: With the Glaciers, the reason they did not trade him

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Speaker 2: And when they felt that they weren't getting something of

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Speaker 2: don't know that that's where they're going to go. They're

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Speaker 4: In September, ken we had a whole discussion on ktel

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Speaker 5: So what did they do wrong? Did the reporters didn't

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Speaker 4: Players are saying they're tired of him missing games and

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Speaker 4: Don't yell at the reporters for them.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the reporter who broke this story, Nick Piccoro,

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Speaker 2: And Nick Piccoro obviously felt he had enough. He went

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Speaker 2: he's apologizing, obviously he feels he did something wrong as well,

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Speaker 3: Team that was struggling, the Yankees, they're now seven and

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a number of things. The

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Speaker 2: on what you are saying, Eric, Devin Williams now in

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Speaker 2: They have foreclosers at this point. It's Williams, it's Doughball,

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Speaker 2: Boone said this morning, can't throw the way he once

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Speaker 2: a solid player for them. They've got Rosario coming back

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Speaker 2: much better defensively, still streaky offensively. There are good things happening,

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Speaker 1: No, I'd see they've got the race this week division rival.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Ken, good talk. We'll get you

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Speaker 1: later this week. Thanks for the time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: for you check it out on the ft YouTube channel

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