Speaker 1: What's up bouch a Happy Hour. I'm one of your hosts,
Speaker 1: Becky Kouffrin, and I'm Michelle Young, and we are back
Speaker 1: with y'all this week to talk obviously about Bachelor in
Speaker 1: Paradise and the two crazy episodes we saw. I know
Speaker 1: it's getting messy, but this week it's been crazy in
Speaker 1: Paradise with the og girls returning to the beach, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking with Kate all about the aftermath. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually very looking forward to having Kate on to
Speaker 1: get her scoop on her new relationship with Logan and
Speaker 1: everything that went down between her and Cheney. But first,
Speaker 1: before that, Michelle, let's catch up. You had a very
Speaker 1: busy week this past week. You've been traveling all over
Speaker 1: the place. But one highlight that we have to talk
Speaker 1: about is you were just in Nashville and you happened
Speaker 1: to run into one of my other favorite women on
Speaker 1: the Senate, which is my mom. Even so crazy, so wild.
Speaker 1: And that's why my voice is like this is because
Speaker 1: I've been screaming the country music all weekend. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that I knew the words to them many songs,
Speaker 1: but I think when the music is so loud. You
Speaker 1: have to like talk so loud anyways, so excuse excuse
Speaker 1: the raspy voice, but yeah, I think Becky, you and
Speaker 1: I briefly spoke about that I was going to be
Speaker 1: in Nashville and You're like, oh my gosh, like, what
Speaker 1: are the odds? My mom's actually there right now. And legitimately,
Speaker 1: like a few hours later, we walked into one bar
Speaker 1: on Broadway, and Broadway is huge for anyone like who
Speaker 1: has been there, they know, but like for those who haven't, thousands, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's intense, like there are so many different bars, it
Speaker 1: is packed. It's like, I don't know, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: In the first part that I walk into, each of
Speaker 1: these bars tend to have like different levels, so many
Speaker 1: different bands playing exactly. So I we happened to walk
Speaker 1: into Whiskey Row and it was like we went upstairs
Speaker 1: and this lady woman comes walking up to me and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh my god, I'm too good friend, And
Speaker 1: it like took me a second to put the words
Speaker 1: together because the band was playing, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it was just what are the odds?
Speaker 1: And then we got to FaceTime Becca you that was
Speaker 1: so fun I knew the second year facetiming me, I
Speaker 1: just had a feeling. I was like, she ran into
Speaker 1: my mom, mom, and Jill's gonna be on this other
Speaker 1: line with her, and it's it's funny because like she
Speaker 1: wasn't even supposed to go on this trip to begin with.
Speaker 1: Like it was like she went with a group of friends,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't originally planning on going. Last minute booked
Speaker 1: her flight left and and she was there because she
Speaker 1: I think was by herself at that point because all
Speaker 1: of her friends flew out earlier. Right she she was there, No,
Speaker 1: she there were like four of them with her. Oh
Speaker 1: she was so with people. Okay, yeah, so she that
Speaker 1: was like that was like their last place they were
Speaker 1: going before they went back to the airport to fly
Speaker 1: back to Minnesota. And turning up the fact that you
Speaker 1: two saw each other, I'm like, oh my god, she probably,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, would have extended her trip and
Speaker 1: extra time. I think she had so much fun and
Speaker 1: it was so excited. She was so like Michelle and
Speaker 1: my mom face timed me and we were screenshotting photos
Speaker 1: of each other. Michelle, the one that you sent me back.
Speaker 1: I just had so much food in my teeth, And
Speaker 1: I was like, if she posted it, oh my god,
Speaker 1: don't you dare. I was like, don't look. I need
Speaker 1: to go back and look at that photo that I
Speaker 1: that you or that you posted but that I sent
Speaker 1: to you because I didn't I didn't see that. But
Speaker 1: then the one that you posted is not any better.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at my mom, No, I look like
Speaker 1: I'm already and I'm like, I don't even had to
Speaker 1: drink yet, like first bar and didn't you can get
Speaker 1: a drink yet? Well, that was honestly one of the
Speaker 1: highlights of my week. I'm so happy you two finally
Speaker 1: met and and our moms are like texting and talking
Speaker 1: and like already planned and meeting each other, and so
Speaker 1: the fact that you ran into her in a completely
Speaker 1: different stage. Just your mom was like, she was like,
Speaker 1: I need, like we all need to plan something so
Speaker 1: that the four of us can get together. Are you
Speaker 1: coming home for Thanksgiving? We got something? Okay, we should
Speaker 1: we should get something on the calendar for that, but
Speaker 1: that she was saying that, and she's like, we just
Speaker 1: all for me to hang out just so then and
Speaker 1: then met, so then me and your mom can just
Speaker 1: hang out. I was like, you can, you can text
Speaker 1: my mom and go hang out with her before we
Speaker 1: all forget there. Yeah, I love it. I just like
Speaker 1: love the crazy friendships that for like, well beyond this show.
Speaker 1: But that was so fun seeing you. But how how
Speaker 1: are you doing? Becca Phillis? And I know that when
Speaker 1: um we FaceTime to you, even Thomas were in the car.
Speaker 1: What was your weekend? Like, Oh my gosh, this weekend
Speaker 1: was so incredible. Thomas and I took a little road
Speaker 1: trip to one of our favorite tones and I was
Speaker 1: gonna say in California, but probably in this country, and
Speaker 1: we went up to oh High, which it's just a
Speaker 1: special place to us. It's it's like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half maybe northeast of LA but we've been there
Speaker 1: a couple of times and we're just obsessed. It's so quaint,
Speaker 1: it's so charming. It was just good to get away
Speaker 1: from the city for a while and just like bike
Speaker 1: around and go to the cute bookshops there and grab
Speaker 1: coffee and just chill. And it was so wonderful that
Speaker 1: we I hate to even say this because we are
Speaker 1: still in the midst of home renovations at the place
Speaker 1: we just bought in San Diego, but we've been looking
Speaker 1: into getting like a second little spot in oh Hi,
Speaker 1: which will I will say this, it will not happen
Speaker 1: anytime soon. It's like on our ten year mark, like
Speaker 1: ten year goal of getting a little spot there that
Speaker 1: probably we would I would assume rent out on Airbnb
Speaker 1: and then just go there whenever we want to get away,
Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, like a late cabin
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, what you would do when you need to
Speaker 1: get away in the summers. But yeah, it was so nice.
Speaker 1: We like, we didn't really have a game plan. We
Speaker 1: just wanted to wander and explore and do whatever. So
Speaker 1: it was it was lovely. Um. I will say though,
Speaker 1: there was one damper of the weekend, and Thomas showed
Speaker 1: a few tears over the Padres losing the playoffs. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: we are not going to the World Series this year,
Speaker 1: so he was he was a little bummed out, but
Speaker 1: that's okay because you know, if there's always next year.
Speaker 1: Everyone well, so when they lost the like their final game,
Speaker 1: he did come into the house and he just like
Speaker 1: face planeted into the bed and then would not move
Speaker 1: his head for like a good five minutes and so
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to pull his face off to be
Speaker 1: like Arthur tears, there is it wet. M Thomas is
Speaker 1: not really a crier. I've maybe seen him cry a
Speaker 1: handful of time, like not even a handful, maybe three times,
Speaker 1: and one was over the passing of his dog, which
Speaker 1: I was a complete disaster too, so I totally understand that.
Speaker 1: But he has cried over sports the other two times,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, seriously, dude, like over sports, but hey,
Speaker 1: everyone has invested, you know, he has invested. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was overall a great weekend. And let's
Speaker 1: get into what we are here for. Really the past
Speaker 1: two episodes that we saw before we bring Kate on,
Speaker 1: she was clearly part of some of the drama and
Speaker 1: a very big love triangle. So what were your overall
Speaker 1: thoughts this week? You know, I'm starting to really realize
Speaker 1: when I think it was the first time when we
Speaker 1: were at at the tell all, when you know, the
Speaker 1: Paradise Crew came on and kind of teased this season
Speaker 1: of like this is things that you've not seen before.
Speaker 1: It gets really messy. I'm starting to like really like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what they're talking about. And I felt so
Speaker 1: bad for Rick and Ohlu though, just like I don't
Speaker 1: know it came in and just I definitely think they
Speaker 1: had something else in mind that they were hoping for
Speaker 1: for sure. And I've never met Olu. I do know
Speaker 1: rig he was on tour with me and he's such
Speaker 1: a sweetheart. I feel like they got the short end
Speaker 1: of the stick in this regard, but again, it's kind
Speaker 1: of the name of the game, where you know, some
Speaker 1: people hit it off with certain men and vice versa,
Speaker 1: and if you don't feel it, like you know, it
Speaker 1: dont makes sense to necessarily. I mean, maybe if they
Speaker 1: would have been on the beach, they would have met
Speaker 1: other women, but who knows, There's always next year for
Speaker 1: those those two if they're still single. So somebody else
Speaker 1: we have to talk about is Jill. She has had
Speaker 1: a big presence on this season so far, but obviously
Speaker 1: she now left the beach after finding out Jacob wasn't
Speaker 1: totally feeling it with her. What were your thoughts on
Speaker 1: that goodbye and her leaving? I mean, I felt like
Speaker 1: Jacob handled it as best as somebody could like It
Speaker 1: seemed like he ended it in a very respectful manner.
Speaker 1: It's hard because it's like on the show, breakups are
Speaker 1: going to be dramatic. It's like it's not going to
Speaker 1: come across like pleasant, right, and it's like you can
Speaker 1: only just like sometimes honesty hurts. So that was I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of heartbreak, for sure, I could
Speaker 1: see with Jill. But I also couldn't help but laugh
Speaker 1: when she was in like the doing her little interview
Speaker 1: on the way home in the car and she's crying.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm crying over a lift driver. I'm crying
Speaker 1: over somebody who sold their couch for cash. Like God's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, don't throw under the
Speaker 1: bus like that. He would be a lovely lift driver.
Speaker 1: I would have such a good drive with him. I
Speaker 1: want to touch on Jacob really quick, because he was
Speaker 1: somebody that we talked about on Gabby and Rachel's season,
Speaker 1: especially like the day that he left. Remember he rubbed
Speaker 1: us the wrong way and he said something very off
Speaker 1: putting to Gabby and I called him out on the
Speaker 1: podcast about it. But I will say Jacob is actually
Speaker 1: somebody who has pleasantly surprised me. I think he's entertaining.
Speaker 1: He seems to get along with most everyone on the
Speaker 1: Beach so far, but I feel like he is somebody
Speaker 1: who actually like puts more thought into what he wants
Speaker 1: to say. At this point, like this second time around,
Speaker 1: being on this platform where so many people are going
Speaker 1: to be watching him, I think he's much more cognizant
Speaker 1: of like his conversations and how he comes across, which
Speaker 1: I really appreciate. I think he's grown since the last
Speaker 1: time we saw him on Gabby and Rachel's season, and
Speaker 1: like I think, I kind of like Jacob now he
Speaker 1: has grown on me. And you know, starting out, I
Speaker 1: wasn't too sure about him. I kind of wrought him off,
Speaker 1: But I think that the way that he's now kind
Speaker 1: of handling himselves with conflict during confrontation, like with the
Speaker 1: letdowns with Kate and having to let Jill go, I
Speaker 1: think he handled it the best way possible and seemed
Speaker 1: very mature. This entire week, exactly one hundred percent agree
Speaker 1: that he. I'm changing with him, and it's been nice
Speaker 1: because it seems genuine It doesn't seem like he's putting
Speaker 1: on a facade to be liked. It seems like he
Speaker 1: genuinely doesn't want to hurt people with his words and
Speaker 1: how he's communicating, so he's changed. But what I will
Speaker 1: say is that there is one person who we're sure
Speaker 1: has a lot to say about Jacob, and that is
Speaker 1: our guest today, Kate. Should we bring her? Yes? I
Speaker 1: think so. We have so many burning questions for her,
Speaker 1: so let's just get into it with her, all right. Well, Kate,
Speaker 1: welcome too, Happy hour. This is your first time here
Speaker 1: because we didn't have you on during your time on
Speaker 1: Clayton season, so welcome. How are you doing after now
Speaker 1: filming two seasons? Thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Can I just say this is my dream girl chat
Speaker 1: like embodied here for it be able to be talking
Speaker 1: to you guys. Honestly, I feel really good. It's it's
Speaker 1: so funny to kind of be here again, especially like
Speaker 1: on the Heels of Clayton season, which I realized just
Speaker 1: the other day was also airing this year, and its
Speaker 1: like it's been ten years, you know, since all that happened.
Speaker 1: But I kind of put that in perspective is definitely
Speaker 1: like mind boggling, But I feel really good, honestly good.
Speaker 1: Are you still working, like in real estate? Did you
Speaker 1: go back once? You? Like return home? Is everything kind
Speaker 1: of back to normal, except for like when you turn
Speaker 1: on the TV or maybe leave your house. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I get on the internet. It's not normal anymore. But
Speaker 1: work is going really well. I'm definitely someone who if
Speaker 1: I'm feeling anxious or stressed, I'll throw myself into my job,
Speaker 1: so you know, for better or worse. That's definitely been
Speaker 1: something that I've been able to kind of lean on.
Speaker 1: So work is going really well. Still selling real estate
Speaker 1: marks still hot, so everything is good on the workfront.
Speaker 1: If anyone needs a real in La, riach out to Kate. Yes,
Speaker 1: my gosh, Kate. So I met you in person once,
Speaker 1: and this was a couple of months ago during The
Speaker 1: Bachelor Live on stage when we were actually in La
Speaker 1: And at that point you and Genevieve came out on
Speaker 1: stage and we had talked about you potentially going onto Paradise.
Speaker 1: And I think at that point, obviously you didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was a first sure thing, but you were
Speaker 1: open to the idea. So now, looking back, are you
Speaker 1: happy you said yes to that opportunity. I like view
Speaker 1: this whole experience as such a net positive. I was
Speaker 1: really hoping that I would be selected to go down
Speaker 1: to the beach. I didn't want to get my hopes
Speaker 1: too too up, but that's honestly kind of impossible. So
Speaker 1: whenever we met, I was definitely trying to play it cool,
Speaker 1: but internally I was like screaming, you know, like I
Speaker 1: really want to know. I really hope this means that,
Speaker 1: like you know, I hope this is foreshadowing, like for
Speaker 1: a good thing for me, that I'll be able to
Speaker 1: get down there, And I did. I met positive. I
Speaker 1: love that. So that real estate academic language of vocabulary,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. But so we are
Speaker 1: here to talk paradise. So we are going to get
Speaker 1: into the details. And at this point on the show,
Speaker 1: you've been there for only two weeks, but like it
Speaker 1: seems like forever. It seems like you've already really made
Speaker 1: your mark. How did you feel at the beginning, when
Speaker 1: you're walking into a group of guys who may have
Speaker 1: already formed relationships. What was going through your head at
Speaker 1: that point? It did feel I mean, even though it's
Speaker 1: been two weeks, it felt like I lived many lives
Speaker 1: in that time. So, you know, kind of being able
Speaker 1: to watch it back has definitely been a trip. But
Speaker 1: I was nervous obviously to go into a situation where
Speaker 1: I knew that connections had already been formed, and on
Speaker 1: top of that, like an added layer, connections were formed
Speaker 1: with girls who I was friends with and girls from
Speaker 1: Clayton season. So you know, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of complicated, conflicting emotions behind it all, But I
Speaker 1: think like the underlying current was I just felt so
Speaker 1: fortunate and happy to be there, and I was willing
Speaker 1: to kind of like lean in and get swept away
Speaker 1: by that current and just allow myself to like get
Speaker 1: the full experience walking in the moment that you did, right,
Speaker 1: because it was vastly different from just like walking down
Speaker 1: through the gates of Paradise and meeting everyone you want
Speaker 1: to have five women? Did you have any idea that
Speaker 1: you were going to walk into this group of people
Speaker 1: who are already coupled up and have them did, Like,
Speaker 1: were you aware of this switcher rward? Were you just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hang out with everyone on the beach.
Speaker 1: You had no idea what you were walking into that day? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was completely unclear to me. I was flying blind
Speaker 1: going down in that manner. But I'm honestly really grateful
Speaker 1: that I did I think being able to kind of
Speaker 1: maneuver that experience with four other girls who were also
Speaker 1: in the same boat, as it felt like there was
Speaker 1: like almost a release of pressure because it's not just
Speaker 1: me storming down the stairs like trying to you know,
Speaker 1: home wreck somebody's relationship, but it's more like, you know,
Speaker 1: I have the other women to kind of lean on
Speaker 1: and to have a shared experience with. And so I
Speaker 1: felt still nervous, obviously, but kind of more empowered to
Speaker 1: be able to be going through that like with you know,
Speaker 1: the other girls kind of by my side and us
Speaker 1: all having a shared experience. Had you known like who
Speaker 1: you know from even from Clayton's season, like the old
Speaker 1: girls and new girls. Were you really close with any
Speaker 1: of them? Did you know which girls were going to
Speaker 1: be at Paradise? And once you got there and saw
Speaker 1: that they're not, they're there, but they're not there, Like
Speaker 1: what was your mentality? Did that change anything for you?
Speaker 1: So I definitely got way closer to the women of
Speaker 1: Clayton's season than Clayton himself, obviously, and so we had
Speaker 1: all kind of kept in touch, and for the most part,
Speaker 1: I had a pretty good idea of who was going
Speaker 1: to be down there. I think what threw me off
Speaker 1: was like seeing them, you know, sitting next to their
Speaker 1: respective men and like kind of like putting the pieces
Speaker 1: together of like okay, like you know, I see Jenevieve
Speaker 1: and Aaron sitting there, and like you kind of see
Speaker 1: me go talk to him first, because he felt like
Speaker 1: a safe space, because it was like, okay, like I
Speaker 1: can ask him to kind of give me a lay
Speaker 1: of the land for you know, everybody else's connection. But
Speaker 1: it was also interesting to see who had left, you know,
Speaker 1: who I thought was going to be there and then
Speaker 1: it turns out they were gone, Sierra Hunter, you know,
Speaker 1: like kind of peeling my eyes and seeing me more
Speaker 1: here they're not, oh my god, what happened? You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a letdown when you go and you
Speaker 1: think like all of your friends are going to be
Speaker 1: there and then they've already got the boot and you're
Speaker 1: just like, damn, I wanted a summer with ya all together. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: So you're like I would say the strongest immediate connection
Speaker 1: was with Jacob and with him like, what was it
Speaker 1: fresh out the gate? Was it more like the physical
Speaker 1: side of things or did you and Jacob happened to
Speaker 1: connect more emotionally, and we just didn't get the chance
Speaker 1: to see that. So I think what like made Jacob
Speaker 1: stand out from the rest is that he pursued me.
Speaker 1: He was very like on top of things, you know,
Speaker 1: quite literally, but like he kind of made it known
Speaker 1: how he felt and he was taking action, whereas I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the other guys were a bit
Speaker 1: more passive and we're just kind of sitting back, and
Speaker 1: so he was kind of the first one that really
Speaker 1: made a move on me, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like that was something that I could explore. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's also still a lot of kind of conflicting,
Speaker 1: swirling like emotions. You know. If they have to say
Speaker 1: though that the scene in the hot of So Funny
Speaker 1: did really actually say the like pledge of allegiance? First
Speaker 1: of all, that hot to have seene was so humbling.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure or like my granny and my ancestors
Speaker 1: all rolled over in their graves when that was happening.
Speaker 1: I literally like am traumatized from that. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that one was that was that was tough to watch.
Speaker 1: But like he's just such a he has such a
Speaker 1: like sweet disposition and is like such a positive guy
Speaker 1: and easy to kind of laugh with. Like being around
Speaker 1: him wasn't something that like felt like it took a
Speaker 1: lot of work, um, and so I enjoyed kind of
Speaker 1: getting to know him in that way. Okay, so we're
Speaker 1: going to get into everything with Logan that happens eventually.
Speaker 1: But like that first day, the initial group of women
Speaker 1: leave your left with their men, was there anyone that well,
Speaker 1: this is a two part question. Was there anyone out
Speaker 1: of the group of men that were there that you,
Speaker 1: like I really wanted to explore something with, that just
Speaker 1: had something stronger with somebody else? And part two of
Speaker 1: that question is is there anyone that you just like
Speaker 1: really wished would have been on the beach when you
Speaker 1: were down there, that you really wanted to meet your
Speaker 1: number one guy? So I think first part of the question.
Speaker 1: When I got down there, I definitely didn't have my
Speaker 1: eye on Jacob at all. I was honestly wondering where
Speaker 1: Michael A was because he was on a date with Danielle.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, he was gone, yeah, yeah, Because I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what about him? You know? And then
Speaker 1: I also, you know, when you kind of come across
Speaker 1: someone and you kind of feel that instant like gravitational pull.
Speaker 1: You can't really explain it. It It doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's chemistry, maybe it's pheromones. Who knows. I felt
Speaker 1: that way towards Logan m Yeah, and just like talking
Speaker 1: and laughing and just being like, wait, what about this guy?
Speaker 1: You know? But things moved Soka. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and Sarah takes him on a date and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, is that window closed? You know, just it
Speaker 1: is a jungle dang. Okay, well we'll get into all
Speaker 1: that too, Okay. I am super curious though, So okay,
Speaker 1: so well yeah, we'll definitely get into your connection. I
Speaker 1: can't even see it in your face right now, still,
Speaker 1: like she's just just a little bit got a little bit. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you and Jacob hit it off like really really quickly,
Speaker 1: and it you guys had fun together. It seemed like relaxing.
Speaker 1: It seemed like kind of you know, like a safe space.
Speaker 1: But it also seemed like you were holding back a
Speaker 1: little bit, like are we hitting it on the mark?
Speaker 1: What was going on there? Yeah? I mean holding back
Speaker 1: a little bit is almost like like um, that's the
Speaker 1: word like I was holding back a lot iltum, and
Speaker 1: the majority of that hesitation was my friendship with Jill.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I talked a big game
Speaker 1: in my interviews and my itms, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was being sassy and funny, but the reality is I
Speaker 1: was super conflicted and really in my head about her
Speaker 1: and about what that would mean for our friendship, how
Speaker 1: it would come across, you know, like I was kind
Speaker 1: of juggling this notion of like, you know, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: here on the beach and I want to pursue people
Speaker 1: who are pursuing me, and I want to explore and
Speaker 1: I want to you know, it feels good to be
Speaker 1: wanted and to be able to step into that space
Speaker 1: and enjoy you know, that feeling. But then kind of
Speaker 1: the other side of that, the shadow side is like
Speaker 1: I am, you know, I have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for Jill, and I feel a deep sense of loyalty
Speaker 1: to her as a friend. So you know, what does
Speaker 1: this mean for me? And how does this translate for me?
Speaker 1: And how do I move forward? So I definitely spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time, you know, in my head about that,
Speaker 1: and also talking to anybody who would listen about that
Speaker 1: as well. Do you think I had Jill not been
Speaker 1: Obviously she wasn't like physically in the picture at that point,
Speaker 1: But if she wasn't in the picture and had some
Speaker 1: sort of initial relationship with Jacob, do you think there
Speaker 1: would have been any serious potential for the both of
Speaker 1: you long term? You know, it's hard to say, because
Speaker 1: I think, on the one hand, like you know, that
Speaker 1: was kind of that permeated the whole experience with him
Speaker 1: was you know, my friendship with her and how she
Speaker 1: would feel and what she would think. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to imagine her not involved in that,
Speaker 1: I still don't think Jacob and I would have made it,
Speaker 1: you know, through the long haul. I think he's a
Speaker 1: wonderful guy. I think we're in different places in our lives,
Speaker 1: and that's no fault of his. He can't help where
Speaker 1: he's at, But I also can't help where I'm at.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I have different needs and
Speaker 1: you know, different things that like I am kind of
Speaker 1: focusing on, and I think that ultimately we would have
Speaker 1: gone our separate ways. Would it have lasted a little longer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, But you know, it happened the way
Speaker 1: it happened, and I'm glad that it did. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: so this goes down plot twist. There's always a plot twist,
Speaker 1: as maybe than a plataus. At this point, we're just
Speaker 1: it's just expected, right, Yeah, we all thought that you
Speaker 1: and Jacob were going to cruise in the next Rose
Speaker 1: ceremony together. But then you shoot your shot with Logan
Speaker 1: and then your feelings were reciprocated. Were you surprised? So
Speaker 1: I remember having that kind of initial magnetization moment with
Speaker 1: Logan and then you know, things move so quickly and
Speaker 1: everything changes so fast that I thought, you know, that
Speaker 1: window might be closed because of the Sarah of it all,
Speaker 1: also because of the chine of it all. But I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like wanting to pivot away from Jacob,
Speaker 1: feeling more are aligned with pursuing Logan. But I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know, if that would be reciprocated, if we were
Speaker 1: on the same page about that. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of encouragement from other people on the beach, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're feeling this way, you should talk to him,
Speaker 1: and so I just kind of like through a hail
Speaker 1: Mary and like let him know how I felt. And
Speaker 1: it did you know again? It just felt so in
Speaker 1: alignment with who I am and what I want and
Speaker 1: it being reciprocated. It just like solidified for me that
Speaker 1: it was the right choice and I was willing to,
Speaker 1: you know, go through hell and high water in order
Speaker 1: to get there. Yeah. I have to say it was
Speaker 1: so entertaining, like this scene unfold, not only with like
Speaker 1: the two of you when you actually got that date
Speaker 1: card and ask Slogan, but like everyone's reactions like jaws
Speaker 1: were in the sand because nobody expected it. And I
Speaker 1: feel like, just to take viewers back in case they
Speaker 1: miss anything, did it really kick off? Like you know,
Speaker 1: we see Logan on the date with Sarah the night
Speaker 1: before he gets home that night, Like did it kind
Speaker 1: of start that night a little bit where it's like
Speaker 1: that was the initial conversation of like I still am
Speaker 1: kind of vibing with you. Let see where this could go.
Speaker 1: Obviously then trickles into the next day, but like that
Speaker 1: was the moment where you, as Michelle said, like you
Speaker 1: shot your shot and then he was kind of like, ah,
Speaker 1: I might still be open too. She's in her head, yes, everyone,
Speaker 1: So I think, like, you know, in that moment, I
Speaker 1: was willing to risk it all because you know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what this whole container is about, being able
Speaker 1: to drop into a space where like all you can
Speaker 1: do is fully be yourself and like go for what
Speaker 1: you want and like that, you know, that felt like
Speaker 1: the right move. And so I think for him, he
Speaker 1: wasn't as like forthcoming about that, but I think it's
Speaker 1: because you know, he has a friendship with Jacob. He
Speaker 1: also had you know, a lot of cooks in the
Speaker 1: kid so to speak. He had Sarah and he had Chennai.
Speaker 1: And so when I had that conversation with him, I
Speaker 1: made sure to mention, like, look, I want to throw
Speaker 1: my hat in the ring, but it's already really crowded
Speaker 1: in there, and I want you to kind of like
Speaker 1: figure out your feelings with the two of them before I,
Speaker 1: you know, make a move here, because it's you know,
Speaker 1: you have way more going on. And I also don't
Speaker 1: like want to like cause you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to throw the rock in the water and have the
Speaker 1: ripples affect so many people on this beach unless this
Speaker 1: is real and this is serious. So like I told
Speaker 1: him to literally sleep on it. It was like the
Speaker 1: end of the night and I'm like, I want you
Speaker 1: to go to bed and I want you to like
Speaker 1: figure this out and let's talk tomorrow morning. And when
Speaker 1: we did, it was just like it was a full
Speaker 1: body yes, and I just loved it so much. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, say that's so exciting. Like it it
Speaker 1: felt way more like, you know, how I wanted it
Speaker 1: to feel instead of this just guilt and like, you know,
Speaker 1: not shame, but just like a lot of like worry
Speaker 1: for Jill and how she was feeling, like all that disappeared,
Speaker 1: and so it just they thought like the right move
Speaker 1: is okay. So when you're chrisy, you guys had this
Speaker 1: conversation and it was Logan that said, I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not sure the time, I'm a timeline of it. But
Speaker 1: Logan said he was like, I am not a person
Speaker 1: who goes on a lot of dates or wants to
Speaker 1: go on a lot of dates or something like that.
Speaker 1: And then like my response, I was like, dude, you
Speaker 1: you like sit in records with how many dates you've
Speaker 1: gone on me. That boy did not stop going on
Speaker 1: date is it? But yeah, so like when he said that,
Speaker 1: but what you like say, what he did say is
Speaker 1: I'd rather go on one date and start something serious
Speaker 1: with the got it? Yeah? Okay, So I wanted to,
Speaker 1: like you to clarify that if it was, because like
Speaker 1: for me, the way that I took it, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like she hasn't been here, Like she doesn't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like is he trying to like put
Speaker 1: on a face or is he trying to clarify like
Speaker 1: I've been on a lot of dates, but I don't
Speaker 1: want that type of life connection. Yeah, I think probably both.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he was definitely trying to put
Speaker 1: his best foot forward. I knew here. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's transpired in the time before I got here. You know,
Speaker 1: all I know is what people are telling me, and
Speaker 1: so like I'm operating with the information that I'm being given.
Speaker 1: But I think he definitely wanted to put his best
Speaker 1: foot forward. I mean, you know, why wouldn't he. So
Speaker 1: I want to get into the date between you and
Speaker 1: Logan because and just comparing and I don't want to
Speaker 1: compare because you and Sarah are completely different, but comparing
Speaker 1: how he was on the date the night before with
Speaker 1: Sarah versus the date with you, it looks like he
Speaker 1: was just so much more comfortable and at ease, and
Speaker 1: it seemed so fun. Like the date that you went
Speaker 1: on could have been completely awkward, right, Like if you
Speaker 1: didn't actually feel that connection and you both weren't like
Speaker 1: as spunky and free as you were giving massages to
Speaker 1: each other, could have been weird but so painful. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: awkward truly, but you both seemed so into each other,
Speaker 1: like I said, so at ease. What was the biggest
Speaker 1: difference like for both of both you, for you in
Speaker 1: both of the connections between Logan and Jacob at that point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need I remember Logan and I laughing later about
Speaker 1: that date and just being like if that wasn't with you,
Speaker 1: that could have taken such a left turn and it
Speaker 1: would have been like cricket noise, you know, like so
Speaker 1: weird and awkward. But I just knew our sense of
Speaker 1: humors are so aligned. That's like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things about him is that we have a very like
Speaker 1: similar like sense of humor and the way that we
Speaker 1: joke and like the nature of the jokes, like it
Speaker 1: just all like felt like super aligned with me. And
Speaker 1: so going on that date with him and just being
Speaker 1: able to be like this could be so cringe, but
Speaker 1: we're just going to lean in and have so much fun.
Speaker 1: Like that really like solidified like my feelings for him,
Speaker 1: because it was like, oh my gosh, like this is
Speaker 1: what I want a partner. I want someone who's like
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run with the joke, someone who's
Speaker 1: going to be able to make me laugh and take
Speaker 1: situations that like could be cringe and turn them into
Speaker 1: something that's like kind of cute and funny. Like I
Speaker 1: was really here for that. If that date would have
Speaker 1: been with Jacob, you know, I still think we would
Speaker 1: have laughed a lot. It might have been you know,
Speaker 1: the different like kind of while you give him the
Speaker 1: Literally the best part of that date for me was
Speaker 1: when you were you were like trying to be all
Speaker 1: coy and flirtatious and like, you know, I take tips
Speaker 1: and all kinds of currency, and he goes crypto and
Speaker 1: is exactly He's a ripper. He builds on the joke.
Speaker 1: That's like my favorite type of humors. That's the way
Speaker 1: that I am too. So we we laugh a lot together.
Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about like on your date. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure you kind of knew knew going in
Speaker 1: that he had this relationship of some sorts with Shane.
Speaker 1: Did you get into more of that on your date?
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about her. I think it was honestly
Speaker 1: us compartmentalizing a little bit, you know, like out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mind, let's just have fun on this day.
Speaker 1: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But
Speaker 1: I remember feeling really confident, like in our connection and
Speaker 1: being really sure that no matter what happened, that we
Speaker 1: would weather the storm, we would be okay. I was
Speaker 1: so just curious for you if so when typically like
Speaker 1: when you're having like those first impressions and you're like
Speaker 1: learning about somebody right Like, I don't know for me personally,
Speaker 1: there's a fine line between like sometimes cute and then
Speaker 1: it's like you can get turned off in two seconds
Speaker 1: and they give you the ick. And so hearing that
Speaker 1: he's been spending his time with Sheeney when you come in,
Speaker 1: you had some very just clear, still residual feelings just
Speaker 1: about who she was as a person and everything. When
Speaker 1: you heard that he was kind of pursuing Sheeney, were
Speaker 1: you like, what are you doing? Like did that turn
Speaker 1: you away at all? Or you like challenge accepted it,
Speaker 1: raised some eyebrows for me for sure, and it kind
Speaker 1: of felt like perhaps his judgment was questionable. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, getting down there and hearing you know, everybody
Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, she's different and see has been
Speaker 1: really cool and it's fine. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: part of me that wanted to give him a little
Speaker 1: bit of grace because you know, maybe she is presenting
Speaker 1: a certain way and he's kind of resonating with that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I would be lying if I said
Speaker 1: that it didn't affect, you know, my initial view of him.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was something that I kind of
Speaker 1: had to come to terms with and asked, didn't just
Speaker 1: so bother you that or just so okay? So you
Speaker 1: said that with Jacob, the one thing that you really
Speaker 1: liked is that he pursued you, and like that's what's
Speaker 1: something that was like really attractive to you to like
Speaker 1: feel seen in all those things. It seems like with
Speaker 1: your relationship with Logan, you definitely have taken the rain.
Speaker 1: So like you are the one that are you know,
Speaker 1: are professing your feelings for him first and then as
Speaker 1: this is starting to unravel and everything, like you're initiating
Speaker 1: it or you know, when this group of the original
Speaker 1: girls is about to walk back in. We know shit's
Speaker 1: going to hit the fan. You're I think you said.
Speaker 1: I love the way you said it. You're like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a life raft, like you can't sink me, and
Speaker 1: like I'll get us through this. And one I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love that, Like I'm gonna steal
Speaker 1: that and use that sometimes like that that means to
Speaker 1: be in some type of notebook like movie. That was great, phenomenal, phenomenal,
Speaker 1: five stars. But did you feel like you were initiating
Speaker 1: it too much and you wanted more from logan? Yes,
Speaker 1: And this becomes kind of a theme throughout and also
Speaker 1: a theme in my life. You know, Paradise kind of
Speaker 1: can be a mirror and almost a microcosm like of
Speaker 1: the world and your relationships and the way that you
Speaker 1: move through them. I can end up taking that role
Speaker 1: and steering the ship and taking the reins, and I
Speaker 1: don't love to be there all the time. I enjoy
Speaker 1: being a passenger, you know, and being a DJ and
Speaker 1: like backseat driving and all that jazz. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I want partnership. I don't want
Speaker 1: someone that I'm having to lead. Ideally I would like
Speaker 1: someone who's ahead of me, but with this, it was
Speaker 1: just like, you know, Okay, I'm registering these things and
Speaker 1: you can probably tell but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like I'm willing to see how he shows up in
Speaker 1: these situations. I'm willing to see what he does when
Speaker 1: Shine comes back, Like I'm I'm clocking it for sure,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like self aware enough to understand that this
Speaker 1: can't be the dynamic forever. But is it okay for
Speaker 1: right now? Like it is it a means to an end?
Speaker 1: Can we grow from this? Because that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I'm going to meet you where
Speaker 1: you're at, but I don't want us to stay there,
Speaker 1: like I want us to grow to pint. I want
Speaker 1: us to get it. Definitely seemed like you have the
Speaker 1: like you had the emotional intelligence you know, to be
Speaker 1: the leader in that situation anyways, but I don't want
Speaker 1: that all the time and good, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: get it well. And it seemed like as confident as
Speaker 1: you were with your connection after that date with Logan,
Speaker 1: was there any part of you that was a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous knowing that sne was about to come right
Speaker 1: back down and that Logan would choose to continue to
Speaker 1: pursue things with her or to still kind of play
Speaker 1: the fence with both of you, Or were you just
Speaker 1: like so confident going into that, like the moment when
Speaker 1: she returned. I was obviously apprehensive about her like return
Speaker 1: to the beach for very like obvious reasons. But never
Speaker 1: did I have a doubt that Logan would end up
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to play to both of us
Speaker 1: or juggle us, or you know, do anything other than
Speaker 1: fully choose me. I felt really really confident that we
Speaker 1: would get through that and we would be fine. But
Speaker 1: I still, you know, wasn't like excited about her to
Speaker 1: come back. Would you have given him? How much grace
Speaker 1: would you? Would you have given him, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: you give him grace with before. Would you if he
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't necessarily making that direct cut, what do you?
Speaker 1: Would you just have been like, Okay, we're completely done.
Speaker 1: Such a good question, I think, Um, I think it
Speaker 1: would have been really hard for me to continue to
Speaker 1: like give him slack. You know, I felt like I
Speaker 1: was already kind of like meeting him where he was at,
Speaker 1: and like this was his chance to kind of like
Speaker 1: show me that he was all in and serious and
Speaker 1: someone you know who because you're looking for a partner,
Speaker 1: You're looking for someone who can you can build a
Speaker 1: life with. And so I think if he would have
Speaker 1: been wavering in that, and if he would have you know,
Speaker 1: acted conflicted or torn, I don't know how much more
Speaker 1: patience I would have had for that. That would have
Speaker 1: been really difficult. But again I kind of just I
Speaker 1: just knew, like I don't know, it was like my gut,
Speaker 1: just like knew that he was going to be able
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with her and cut ties and
Speaker 1: that we would be able to move forward. Isn't that
Speaker 1: such just a reassuring feeling to know, like even if,
Speaker 1: like you said, you were apprehensive, even if there's like
Speaker 1: certain nerves underlying certain conversations that have to be had,
Speaker 1: to still have confidence in your relationship and to know
Speaker 1: like he's going to come back to you because you
Speaker 1: have the strongest connection, Like, there's something so reassuring in that, right. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was very empowering because you know, it's so hard
Speaker 1: to predict literally anything that happens down there, but like
Speaker 1: in that moment, like if you feel the sure thing,
Speaker 1: like just relish in it, even for a little bit,
Speaker 1: because everything could change, you know, literally in a few hours.
Speaker 1: But for that moment, I just remember feeling so confident
Speaker 1: and empowered, like this is how a relationship should be.
Speaker 1: We should have each other's backs through like the easy
Speaker 1: times the hard times. Okay, so Chanik comes down, Logan
Speaker 1: has that conversation with you, comes back to you. Let's
Speaker 1: get into that situation in itself, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: that went down. Were you surprised by Schne's reaction to
Speaker 1: learning about you and Logan and even like her reaction
Speaker 1: to the fact of you guys like sitting right behind her,
Speaker 1: Like did you choose to be right there? I know
Speaker 1: that there was probably a lot going on in that moment,
Speaker 1: but like, in hindsight, do you wish you would have
Speaker 1: just like popped around the corner? It definitely felt and
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me to remember like the semantics
Speaker 1: of like the situation, but I remember like feeling feeling
Speaker 1: confident and feeling good that that that leg of the
Speaker 1: situation had like happened already, because you know, it's just
Speaker 1: like there are so many hurdles, you know, I was
Speaker 1: glad that like he made it through that one and
Speaker 1: that we were okay. It was in convenient that she
Speaker 1: was so close by, and I think, you know, if
Speaker 1: I were her, I would probably feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: we were trying to rub our nose in it a
Speaker 1: little bit, but that wasn't my intention. Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good for me to like glow in that way.
Speaker 1: Like I felt happy and reassured in my connection with Logan,
Speaker 1: but you know, it sucks to come back and you know,
Speaker 1: something that you thought would be waiting for you or
Speaker 1: something that you had anticipated to be a certain way
Speaker 1: is not anymore. So like you know, I get that
Speaker 1: that's not ideal, but you know, at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I'm happy, you know the situation in itself, Like yes,
Speaker 1: you're happy, but it is kind of tough, and it
Speaker 1: would be a tough pill for Senada Swallow because she
Speaker 1: is sitting over here distraught right like the guy that
Speaker 1: she was in too show somebody else. But then you
Speaker 1: have this whole audience behind you too, that is not
Speaker 1: only watching the conversation between her and Logan, but the
Speaker 1: conversation and the kiss between you and Logan and counting
Speaker 1: down the moments to that kiss and cheering as she's
Speaker 1: on the rock, you know, contemplating what do I do next? Time?
Speaker 1: Moment I was like, this is like the show to
Speaker 1: a t, Like just everyone in one picture, cheering and
Speaker 1: crying everything. What drove you to then approach Gennay after
Speaker 1: that to have that conversation with her, like you know,
Speaker 1: Logan had already talked to her a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but then you decided to take it upon yourself. So
Speaker 1: what was that drive behind that, which like the like
Speaker 1: what you mentioned, like the show to a t, the
Speaker 1: duality of like everyone's experiences and how like on the
Speaker 1: one hand, everyone's cheering soaks. I remember that moment. I
Speaker 1: remember hugging him and looking up at the pool and
Speaker 1: everybody's like staring down, like, you know, like is it good? Happened?
Speaker 1: I give them a thumbs up, they all start cheering.
Speaker 1: That was like that, I'll carry that moment with me forever.
Speaker 1: I felt so celebrated and so just encouraged and reassured
Speaker 1: with everybody's reaction. But at the same time, like for Chennai,
Speaker 1: that sucks, you know, like that was probably like just
Speaker 1: kerosene to the fire that was already like Kenna starting
Speaker 1: to take over for her. So, you know, I get it,
Speaker 1: but it's like having you know, two those two truths
Speaker 1: can co exist, and that's like so like paradise, right, yea.
Speaker 1: There can be so many different things that are still true,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make them any harder or easier for
Speaker 1: anybody involved, you know. Yeah, And after that, you know,
Speaker 1: after that, you get that in that reassurance and that um,
Speaker 1: you know, gratification and everything you is after feeling that,
Speaker 1: is that what kind of push you to go then
Speaker 1: check on Shannai because you were like, well, I am
Speaker 1: going to have to co exist with this person, you know,
Speaker 1: and you did walk down there to intend to work
Speaker 1: things out potentially explain just kind of explain how how
Speaker 1: that went down. So I am certainly not a person
Speaker 1: who likes into the arms of confrontation. It's actually something
Speaker 1: that I really struggle with and something that doesn't come
Speaker 1: natural to me at all. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where I knew that we were going to
Speaker 1: have to coexist on the same beach together, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to squash it and let her know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know that that isn't easy to come down here
Speaker 1: and see that, and I'm sorry that you had to.
Speaker 1: But I'm also not afraid of you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna like let you push me around or like you
Speaker 1: say things about me and your interviews that are hurtful.
Speaker 1: So I think me approaching her, I was coming from
Speaker 1: a place of like, let's find an understanding, but also like,
Speaker 1: I'm not someone that you can like try and break,
Speaker 1: so that conversation isn't something that like I normally would
Speaker 1: be comfortable doing. But I viewed it as a moment
Speaker 1: for growth and an opportunity to speak my mind and
Speaker 1: like be able to advocate for myself and ask for
Speaker 1: what I need and name you know how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was tough, but I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, when in a normal world, if
Speaker 1: like say, the situation where it happened, it's not like
Speaker 1: you'd be living with the person that your now partner
Speaker 1: used stay right, Like that just doesn't happen. So I
Speaker 1: kind of understand like the thought process behind it. I
Speaker 1: don't think it panned out quite how you had hoped
Speaker 1: or expected. Obviously we don't really know where it went
Speaker 1: because we were left with the cliffhanger so we'll obviously
Speaker 1: have to find out. I will say, though, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I think it's such a theme this season that people
Speaker 1: just keep kind of removing themselves and setting themselves home.
Speaker 1: So I, for one, was just shocked. Fundy is like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick around and like try to find
Speaker 1: another relationship. I was just like, I'm so used to
Speaker 1: Like Teddy sent herself home, Jill just removed herself. Lace
Speaker 1: removed herself, Like all these women just keep going that.
Speaker 1: I was just I think expecting. But again, we'll find
Speaker 1: out next week. Okay, despite all of the craziness that happened, though,
Speaker 1: things are looking real good for you and Logan on
Speaker 1: that beach. We're excited to see where that leads because
Speaker 1: you were like, by your smile, I think you know
Speaker 1: good things at least for a while, hopefully for beyond that.
Speaker 1: But we want to get your thoughts on everything that
Speaker 1: is going down on Paradise. So you were there the
Speaker 1: moment that Lace came back down to the beach to
Speaker 1: see if Rodney was there to have a conversation. Were
Speaker 1: you shocked that she chose to leave that night? I
Speaker 1: think for Lace, And it's so funny because that was
Speaker 1: the only interaction I had with her from AFAR, like
Speaker 1: watching her kind of unravel in front of the guys
Speaker 1: and asking where Rodney was. And you know, on the
Speaker 1: one hand, like you can't help but feel for her.
Speaker 1: That sucks, Like I think she didn't really give it
Speaker 1: the old college try during split week, and so she
Speaker 1: was really like laser focused on making things work with Rodney.
Speaker 1: But on the other side, it's like Eliza, I got
Speaker 1: to witness that connection form and it looked so natural
Speaker 1: and effortless, and everybody was really championing that and so
Speaker 1: like as you know, the role of Eliza's cheerleader, like
Speaker 1: you know, seeing Lace come down and seeing her you know,
Speaker 1: then self eliminate was sad for her. I think she
Speaker 1: probably felt a little pigeonholed and didn't know, like it,
Speaker 1: you know, what, where to go from there, and so
Speaker 1: I think it might have just been easiest to remove herself.
Speaker 1: She was probably really hurt. But on the other side,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, yeay Eliza, Like we
Speaker 1: love to see this, right, Gosh, it's so hard. That's
Speaker 1: the duality that you're talking about too, just so many
Speaker 1: things going on at one time, and also that was
Speaker 1: not the first time that Lace was heartbroken on the
Speaker 1: beach and the season with everything you know, but with okay,
Speaker 1: so Lace comes down, the ogs are still up there
Speaker 1: at this pool, in this in this conversation, in this question,
Speaker 1: and then when Jill comes back, jacob relaised that info
Speaker 1: to her and she takes off. Did you have like
Speaker 1: you didn't get to say goodbye? You didn't you know
Speaker 1: all those different things? Have you spoken to her? Since
Speaker 1: I am very confident in my friendship with Jill, even still,
Speaker 1: it was devastating for her to leave and me not
Speaker 1: to be able to have like any time on the
Speaker 1: beach with her Beckets, like you said, like you have
Speaker 1: it in your mind of like I'm going to dream
Speaker 1: Margarite's with my friends, I'm gonna get tann, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have this like fun shared experience with these girls who
Speaker 1: means so much to me, and so to not even
Speaker 1: get to hug her or like say hi to her,
Speaker 1: that was like one of the toughest moments for me
Speaker 1: for sure, And just liking how sad she was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really affected me. Oh, I can't even imagine, I
Speaker 1: can't even I mean, like, granted we've all done it.
Speaker 1: When we were all in The Bachelor, we all dated
Speaker 1: the same man. But it's so different this time around,
Speaker 1: when you have more time and space to explore multiple relationships.
Speaker 1: And I can't even imagine, like like on the beaches
Speaker 1: of Paradise, going after somebody that you're into that like
Speaker 1: one of your friends is into too. It's got to
Speaker 1: be such a tough predicament. It's like it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to even find the words to describe like how
Speaker 1: that feels, because it is so different from Bachelor, because
Speaker 1: you do have such autonomy an agency to make these
Speaker 1: decisions for yourself. So like it's on the one hand, empowering,
Speaker 1: but it's also like really stressful and like people's feelings
Speaker 1: are involved. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel for anyone that has to
Speaker 1: go through that specific scenario on that beach. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: so right now on this beach, we do have a
Speaker 1: couple new formed relationships, and then we have like several
Speaker 1: relationships that are very strong and granted you came down
Speaker 1: during the week where the split happened, but you also
Speaker 1: saw everyone reunite, like Brandon and Serene and Victoria and Johnny,
Speaker 1: even though that's like a little rocky. Are there any
Speaker 1: couples so far that we've seen that you're like truly
Speaker 1: hope go the distance? Truly hoping go the distance? Let
Speaker 1: me speak about our English there. Yeah, I cannot talk
Speaker 1: right now. I'm sorry. Yeah. I remember during split week
Speaker 1: like always talking to Brandon and being like, are you
Speaker 1: ready for your sweetie to get back? Because you go
Speaker 1: Serene and I are friends from Clayton season, and like
Speaker 1: just seeing him light up and like seeing you know,
Speaker 1: them come together and have that moment. Like I everybody
Speaker 1: was just like really really championing them to go the distance.
Speaker 1: Who else I thought that Aaron and Genevieve, they're like
Speaker 1: the way that they reunite like is just so indicative of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, who they are as people. And I was
Speaker 1: really excited to kind of watch that one because he
Speaker 1: was he was another one that I like got really
Speaker 1: close with and just you know, was able to be
Speaker 1: like you know, how great it should to be, like
Speaker 1: don't we love her so much? Like it was it
Speaker 1: was fun to kind of talk to the boys about
Speaker 1: how great the girls were and when they weren't around
Speaker 1: like that, was you know, that just felt so cool
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I love the friendship
Speaker 1: set form too, honestly the best do we even need boys? Like,
Speaker 1: but you were in the friendships with the guys, like
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like you didn't just form friendships with
Speaker 1: the girls on Clayton season, Like some of the guys
Speaker 1: on that beach now you will be friends with for
Speaker 1: a lifetime. It's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was fun
Speaker 1: to kind of be able to grow out with them
Speaker 1: but also be able to just like be there emotionally
Speaker 1: and spiritually for the girls, Like I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: across the board really really good time. Yeah, well, we
Speaker 1: know that there is still so much to come, but kay,
Speaker 1: can you tease a little for the listeners about what
Speaker 1: to expect this season on Bachelor and Paradise. What to
Speaker 1: expect this season and Unbachelor in Paradise, I think expect
Speaker 1: a lot of the unexpected. Like there are things that
Speaker 1: happen that that felt so like just out of my
Speaker 1: comfort zone and I think probably out of a lot
Speaker 1: of people's. But it was moments where you know, we
Speaker 1: got to really push our boundaries and do it in
Speaker 1: a space that was safe, and that was fun, and
Speaker 1: that was challenging, but like deeply authentic and real. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of fun. You know. I remember
Speaker 1: kind of being sad that it was going to be over.
Speaker 1: Before it was over, you know, it was like we
Speaker 1: all I have this conversation with Michael. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought if they show it or not, but just
Speaker 1: like the way that you know, we're all coming together.
Speaker 1: We all are from different walks of life and have
Speaker 1: different stories, and just for this moment, we all get
Speaker 1: to be in this shared space together and share these memories.
Speaker 1: Like it brought me to tears, Like it's there. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of tough moments, but there are a
Speaker 1: lot of like heartwarming, real moments too. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: saying you're going to be around for a while, I
Speaker 1: tune in to find out. Damn, everyone's so good. You
Speaker 1: know how to give us just enough? I will say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you felt moments on the beach where you're
Speaker 1: like this is dragging on, it's never gonna end, Like
Speaker 1: when can I just get back home to relax? But
Speaker 1: then it also moves so damn fast and like it's
Speaker 1: gone in the blink of a nine and you're going
Speaker 1: to be like, I wish I was back on that beach.
Speaker 1: So I'm I love when people can like, everyone has
Speaker 1: such a different experience. Some people love paradise, some people
Speaker 1: hate it, but I like, it's still such a unique,
Speaker 1: special thing. So I love when people can actually realize
Speaker 1: that and appreciate it. Whether you had a great outcome
Speaker 1: or not the best outcome, it's still like so unique
Speaker 1: that not very many people get to experience. So with that, Kate,
Speaker 1: before we let you go, we love to keep our
Speaker 1: listeners here on Happy how We're informed, and so lately
Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, we've been sharing important
Speaker 1: resources that we love. We've but including them on our
Speaker 1: Instagram highlights so people can go and check them out
Speaker 1: very easily to access them. So we're gonna have you
Speaker 1: share one. But first, Michelle, do you want to kick
Speaker 1: it off this week? Yeah? Absolutely, so. My resource is
Speaker 1: actually it's a documentary this time. It's called The Black Feminist.
Speaker 1: I believe you can stream it on YouTube. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of other sources as well, our platforms as well,
Speaker 1: but it basically just kind of goes into that double
Speaker 1: edged sword of being feminist and being black in just
Speaker 1: how that oppression takes place over different out of race
Speaker 1: and then also a gender and so it's something that's
Speaker 1: super interesting your attention right off the bat and really
Speaker 1: kind of focuses on zones in on specifically black women.
Speaker 1: So again that one's called the Black Feminist. Awesome, Thank you, Becca. Yes.
Speaker 1: So this is a book that I read oh Man
Speaker 1: about a year ago, but it Thomas just packed it
Speaker 1: when we went out of town this weekend. And it's
Speaker 1: a book called I Take My Coffee Black. It's by
Speaker 1: my dear friend Tyler Merritt. I highly recommend everyone checking
Speaker 1: out him on Instagram. He is such a joy of
Speaker 1: a human being. His book it's all about like him
Speaker 1: growing up in this multi cultured community and realizing that,
Speaker 1: like in specific moments, that he wasn't always welcome. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of about his experience growing up as a
Speaker 1: black man. It is. It's such a great read because
Speaker 1: it's so insightful, but it's also hilarious at moments it's
Speaker 1: gut wrenching. It weaves in lessons about like white privilege
Speaker 1: and the history of racism that is still very prevalent
Speaker 1: in our country in our society. So it's called I
Speaker 1: Take Mcffee Black by Tyler Merritt. Again he's such a gem,
Speaker 1: and he also I don't know when how recent, but
Speaker 1: he did also just come out with the children's book
Speaker 1: as well, which could be incredible for younger kids. So
Speaker 1: I definitely want to check out that kid's book and
Speaker 1: maybe give it to my niece as like a little
Speaker 1: birthday present or early Christmas present. But yeah, I Take
Speaker 1: my Coffee Black. I will link that on my Instagram
Speaker 1: as well. And now, Kate, you're up, so I actually
Speaker 1: have too. The first one is a podcast that I
Speaker 1: will listen to every now and then called The Financial Feminist,
Speaker 1: and she'll have guests come on and just talk about
Speaker 1: like what it is to be a woman in the
Speaker 1: workforce and you know, how to ask for what you
Speaker 1: need and get a raise and whatever. This one in
Speaker 1: particular that kind of resonate with me is called Unlearning
Speaker 1: Self Sacrifice for Women. The guest that she has is
Speaker 1: Tiffany Dufou, who has been an author. She was on
Speaker 1: the panel for Lean in the latest book that she's
Speaker 1: written is called Dropping the Ball, and it's basically about like,
Speaker 1: as women, you know, society tells us to be all
Speaker 1: these things, a good wife, a good mom, a good employee,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, we we juggle so much and
Speaker 1: we wear so many hats, and like it's about like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of dismantling that we have to be
Speaker 1: like all these things and you know we can ask
Speaker 1: for help and just like the kind of like gender
Speaker 1: roles and things that go with that. So I found
Speaker 1: it really interesting. I think you guys would honestly really
Speaker 1: love it. So if you haven't listened, definitely. The second
Speaker 1: one I can't like fully endorse because I'm not done
Speaker 1: with it yet, but so far, so good. It's a
Speaker 1: book I am listening to on my Hot Girl Walks
Speaker 1: called Pleasure Activism, and it's basically about The author is
Speaker 1: Adrian Marie Brown. She is a woman of color. She's
Speaker 1: also queer, and it's unpacking like how we can use
Speaker 1: pleasure in order to work through trauma and kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, how our society has been like viewing pleasure
Speaker 1: through like different lenses and how like you can find
Speaker 1: liberation and like learning how to feel good and how
Speaker 1: that's actually better for like your interpersonal relationships, your relationship
Speaker 1: with the climate, like everything can kind of be like
Speaker 1: filtered through that, and it's like it's pretty heavy. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think piece, but like it's something that
Speaker 1: I am learning so much about already and I'm like
Speaker 1: a third of the way in. So if you be
Speaker 1: resonate with that, I would recommend awesome. Well what's the
Speaker 1: title of that one again, Pleasure activism And she liked
Speaker 1: things in some parts of it, so I would recommend
Speaker 1: audiobook for sure. Okay, awesome, wonderful. Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: doing your homework and sharing those two. Yeah, always, we
Speaker 1: always love to share those, so we will definitely even
Speaker 1: if you want to send us those one two, or
Speaker 1: we can even dig them up and share them on
Speaker 1: our page two just so more people can ask access
Speaker 1: them so easily. But now the time has come, we
Speaker 1: have one last thing that you gotta do, which we
Speaker 1: have all of our guests on Happy Hour do, and
Speaker 1: that is to share your rose and thorn of your
Speaker 1: paradise journey so far. So of these two weeks that
Speaker 1: you've been on the beach overall, what has been the
Speaker 1: best moment, your highlight and what has been the messiest
Speaker 1: or worst moment? I think that my rose so far
Speaker 1: would be just how present I was able to be,
Speaker 1: Like I'm someone who can live in my head a
Speaker 1: little bit and be anticipating the future, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like staring into the past and in an
Speaker 1: environment like Paradise, like you are just so focused on
Speaker 1: the present and so able to just drop in and
Speaker 1: be in the moment. And that was so beautiful for me.
Speaker 1: I really I felt like that I thrived in that,
Speaker 1: like being able to just like live in the now,
Speaker 1: because that's something that's so tough for me to do
Speaker 1: on the outside. So I think that that would be
Speaker 1: my rose my thorn. I know I've talked about this
Speaker 1: at nauseum at this point, but just kind of the
Speaker 1: nature and the juxtaposition of like feeling so like powerful
Speaker 1: and being pursued and just like stepping into a space
Speaker 1: of just being like I'm going to go for what
Speaker 1: I want and feel so empowered in doing that, mixed
Speaker 1: with like, you know, these are people's feelings on the
Speaker 1: other side of this, and these are my friends, and
Speaker 1: it just was like a really it was a really
Speaker 1: tough thing for me to navigate, and I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time like really really worried about you know,
Speaker 1: what Jill might think, what other people might think, what
Speaker 1: viewers might think, And maybe there's a butt in there
Speaker 1: for me of like why are other people's opinions? Like
Speaker 1: why am I placing so much of my worth and
Speaker 1: my value and what other people think about me? So
Speaker 1: maybe I should explore that, But I think that that
Speaker 1: would be my thorn, just you know, being in my
Speaker 1: head about all that stuff. Totally understand, Totally understand. It's
Speaker 1: definitely quite an experience, and as much as it can
Speaker 1: be a fun experience, there's a lot that comes with
Speaker 1: it even after you're done filming, once you're watching everything
Speaker 1: back as well, tougher than being there, yeah, living it,
Speaker 1: you know. But thank you so much, Kate for being here.
Speaker 1: It was so nice to talk to you, and we
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what's next for you out on
Speaker 1: the speech. Ye I think you, Kate. It was so
Speaker 1: good to see you again. I can't wait to keep
Speaker 1: watching you, and I'm so intrigued to see where your
Speaker 1: relationship with Logan might go. So thanks for popping on today.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks guys, it was honestly a pleasure.
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky to be able to chat with
Speaker 1: you guys. Oh you're so fun, so please come back anytime. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: look you soon bye. I like, Kate, that was interesting, No,
Speaker 1: that was good. She gave us a lot of really
Speaker 1: good insight, I think, yes, and I'm glad we had
Speaker 1: her own because Michelle and I had talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bit before we started recording, like, I think
Speaker 1: parts of her viewers are going to love, and then
Speaker 1: parts and things that she said on the episodes probably
Speaker 1: rubbed people the wrong way. But I'm glad we were
Speaker 1: able to have her on to explain a bit more.
Speaker 1: I think she's so confident, and you know, we're not
Speaker 1: always used to that confidence in women, and I find
Speaker 1: it incredible, Like I wish I could be more like
Speaker 1: that too, But I'm glad she was able to just
Speaker 1: give more of like the why behind her actions. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see where it goes with her. Thank you
Speaker 1: Kate for joining us today. Michelle, I always love chatting
Speaker 1: with you, but a bigger thank you to all of
Speaker 1: our Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget to all of you
Speaker 1: listeners out there that you can catch all new episodes
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