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Speaker 1: What's up bouch a Happy Hour. I'm one of your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Becky Kouffrin, and I'm Michelle Young, and we are back

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Speaker 1: with y'all this week to talk obviously about Bachelor in

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Speaker 1: Paradise and the two crazy episodes we saw. I know

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Speaker 1: it's getting messy, but this week it's been crazy in

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Speaker 1: Paradise with the og girls returning to the beach, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking with Kate all about the aftermath. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually very looking forward to having Kate on to

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Speaker 1: get her scoop on her new relationship with Logan and

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Speaker 1: everything that went down between her and Cheney. But first,

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Speaker 1: before that, Michelle, let's catch up. You had a very

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Speaker 1: busy week this past week. You've been traveling all over

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Speaker 1: the place. But one highlight that we have to talk

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Speaker 1: about is you were just in Nashville and you happened

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Speaker 1: to run into one of my other favorite women on

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Speaker 1: the Senate, which is my mom. Even so crazy, so wild.

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Speaker 1: And that's why my voice is like this is because

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Speaker 1: I've been screaming the country music all weekend. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know that I knew the words to them many songs,

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Speaker 1: but I think when the music is so loud. You

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Speaker 1: have to like talk so loud anyways, so excuse excuse

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Speaker 1: the raspy voice, but yeah, I think Becky, you and

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Speaker 1: I briefly spoke about that I was going to be

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Speaker 1: in Nashville and You're like, oh my gosh, like, what

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Speaker 1: are the odds? My mom's actually there right now. And legitimately,

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Speaker 1: like a few hours later, we walked into one bar

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Speaker 1: on Broadway, and Broadway is huge for anyone like who

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Speaker 1: has been there, they know, but like for those who haven't, thousands, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's intense, like there are so many different bars, it

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Speaker 1: is packed. It's like, I don't know, it's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: In the first part that I walk into, each of

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Speaker 1: these bars tend to have like different levels, so many

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Speaker 1: different bands playing exactly. So I we happened to walk

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Speaker 1: into Whiskey Row and it was like we went upstairs

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Speaker 1: and this lady woman comes walking up to me and

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Speaker 1: she's like, oh my god, I'm too good friend, And

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Speaker 1: it like took me a second to put the words

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Speaker 1: together because the band was playing, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it was just what are the odds?

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Speaker 1: And then we got to FaceTime Becca you that was

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Speaker 1: so fun I knew the second year facetiming me, I

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Speaker 1: just had a feeling. I was like, she ran into

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Speaker 1: my mom, mom, and Jill's gonna be on this other

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Speaker 1: line with her, and it's it's funny because like she

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Speaker 1: wasn't even supposed to go on this trip to begin with.

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Speaker 1: Like it was like she went with a group of friends,

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Speaker 1: but she wasn't originally planning on going. Last minute booked

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Speaker 1: her flight left and and she was there because she

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Speaker 1: I think was by herself at that point because all

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Speaker 1: of her friends flew out earlier. Right she she was there, No,

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Speaker 1: she there were like four of them with her. Oh

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Speaker 1: she was so with people. Okay, yeah, so she that

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Speaker 1: was like that was like their last place they were

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Speaker 1: going before they went back to the airport to fly

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Speaker 1: back to Minnesota. And turning up the fact that you

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Speaker 1: two saw each other, I'm like, oh my god, she probably,

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Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, would have extended her trip and

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Speaker 1: extra time. I think she had so much fun and

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Speaker 1: it was so excited. She was so like Michelle and

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Speaker 1: my mom face timed me and we were screenshotting photos

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Speaker 1: of each other. Michelle, the one that you sent me back.

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Speaker 1: I just had so much food in my teeth, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, if she posted it, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: don't you dare. I was like, don't look. I need

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Speaker 1: to go back and look at that photo that I

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Speaker 1: that you or that you posted but that I sent

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Speaker 1: to you because I didn't I didn't see that. But

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Speaker 1: then the one that you posted is not any better.

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at my mom, No, I look like

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Speaker 1: I'm already and I'm like, I don't even had to

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Speaker 1: drink yet, like first bar and didn't you can get

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Speaker 1: a drink yet? Well, that was honestly one of the

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Speaker 1: highlights of my week. I'm so happy you two finally

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Speaker 1: met and and our moms are like texting and talking

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Speaker 1: and like already planned and meeting each other, and so

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Speaker 1: the fact that you ran into her in a completely

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Speaker 1: different stage. Just your mom was like, she was like,

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Speaker 1: I need, like we all need to plan something so

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Speaker 1: coming home for Thanksgiving? We got something? Okay, we should

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Speaker 1: we should get something on the calendar for that, but

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Speaker 1: all forget there. Yeah, I love it. I just like

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Speaker 1: love the crazy friendships that for like, well beyond this show.

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Speaker 1: But that was so fun seeing you. But how how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Becca Phillis? And I know that when

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Speaker 1: um we FaceTime to you, even Thomas were in the car.

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Speaker 1: What was your weekend? Like, Oh my gosh, this weekend

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Speaker 1: was so incredible. Thomas and I took a little road

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Speaker 1: trip to one of our favorite tones and I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say in California, but probably in this country, and

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Speaker 1: we went up to oh High, which it's just a

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Speaker 1: it's so charming. It was just good to get away

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Speaker 1: we I hate to even say this because we are

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Speaker 1: still in the midst of home renovations at the place

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Speaker 1: we just bought in San Diego, but we've been looking

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Speaker 1: into getting like a second little spot in oh Hi,

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Speaker 1: which will I will say this, it will not happen

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. It's like on our ten year mark, like

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Speaker 1: probably we would I would assume rent out on Airbnb

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Speaker 1: and then just go there whenever we want to get away,

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Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, like a late cabin

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Speaker 1: get away in the summers. But yeah, it was so nice.

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Speaker 1: We like, we didn't really have a game plan. We

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Speaker 1: it was it was lovely. Um. I will say though,

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Speaker 1: there was one damper of the weekend, and Thomas showed

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Speaker 1: a few tears over the Padres losing the playoffs. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: so he was he was a little bummed out, but

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Speaker 1: Everyone well, so when they lost the like their final game,

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Speaker 1: not really a crier. I've maybe seen him cry a

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Speaker 1: I was a complete disaster too, so I totally understand that.

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Speaker 1: But he has cried over sports the other two times,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, seriously, dude, like over sports, but hey,

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Speaker 1: everyone has invested, you know, he has invested. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was overall a great weekend. And let's

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Speaker 1: get into what we are here for. Really the past

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Speaker 1: two episodes that we saw before we bring Kate on,

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Speaker 1: she was clearly part of some of the drama and

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Speaker 1: a very big love triangle. So what were your overall

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Speaker 1: thoughts this week? You know, I'm starting to really realize

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Speaker 1: when I think it was the first time when we

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Speaker 1: Paradise Crew came on and kind of teased this season

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Speaker 1: of like this is things that you've not seen before.

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Speaker 1: It gets really messy. I'm starting to like really like, oh,

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Speaker 1: had something else in mind that they were hoping for

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Speaker 1: for sure. And I've never met Olu. I do know

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Speaker 1: rig he was on tour with me and he's such

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Speaker 1: of the stick in this regard, but again, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of the name of the game, where you know, some

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Speaker 1: people hit it off with certain men and vice versa,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't feel it, like you know, it

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Speaker 1: dont makes sense to necessarily. I mean, maybe if they

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Speaker 1: those those two if they're still single. So somebody else

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about is Jill. She has had

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Speaker 1: a big presence on this season so far, but obviously

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Speaker 1: she now left the beach after finding out Jacob wasn't

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Speaker 1: totally feeling it with her. What were your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Jacob handled it as best as somebody could like It

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Speaker 1: seemed like he ended it in a very respectful manner.

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Speaker 1: going to be dramatic. It's like it's not going to

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Speaker 1: only just like sometimes honesty hurts. So that was I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of heartbreak, for sure, I could

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm crying over a lift driver. I'm crying

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Speaker 1: over somebody who sold their couch for cash. Like God's like,

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Speaker 1: I would have such a good drive with him. I

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Speaker 1: want to touch on Jacob really quick, because he was

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Speaker 1: somebody that we talked about on Gabby and Rachel's season,

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Speaker 1: especially like the day that he left. Remember he rubbed

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Speaker 1: us the wrong way and he said something very off

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Speaker 1: somebody who has pleasantly surprised me. I think he's entertaining.

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Speaker 1: He seems to get along with most everyone on the

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Speaker 1: who actually like puts more thought into what he wants

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Speaker 1: to say. At this point, like this second time around,

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Speaker 1: being on this platform where so many people are going

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Speaker 1: to be watching him, I think he's much more cognizant

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Speaker 1: of like his conversations and how he comes across, which

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate. I think he's grown since the last

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Speaker 1: like I think, I kind of like Jacob now he

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Speaker 1: has grown on me. And you know, starting out, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't too sure about him. I kind of wrought him off,

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Speaker 1: But I think that the way that he's now kind

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Speaker 1: of handling himselves with conflict during confrontation, like with the

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Speaker 1: letdowns with Kate and having to let Jill go, I

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Speaker 1: think he handled it the best way possible and seemed

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Speaker 1: very mature. This entire week, exactly one hundred percent agree

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Speaker 1: that he. I'm changing with him, and it's been nice

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Speaker 1: because it seems genuine It doesn't seem like he's putting

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Speaker 1: on a facade to be liked. It seems like he

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Speaker 1: genuinely doesn't want to hurt people with his words and

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Speaker 1: how he's communicating, so he's changed. But what I will

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Speaker 1: say is that there is one person who we're sure

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Speaker 1: has a lot to say about Jacob, and that is

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Speaker 1: I think, on the one hand, like you know, that

431
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: was kind of that permeated the whole experience with him

432
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: was you know, my friendship with her and how she

433
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: would feel and what she would think. But I think,

434
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, trying to imagine her not involved in that,

435
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: I still don't think Jacob and I would have made it,

436
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: you know, through the long haul. I think he's a

437
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: wonderful guy. I think we're in different places in our lives,

438
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: and that's no fault of his. He can't help where

439
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: he's at, But I also can't help where I'm at.

440
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I have different needs and

441
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: you know, different things that like I am kind of

442
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: focusing on, and I think that ultimately we would have

443
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: gone our separate ways. Would it have lasted a little longer? Yeah,

444
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: I think so, But you know, it happened the way

445
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: it happened, and I'm glad that it did. Okay, Well,

446
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: so this goes down plot twist. There's always a plot twist,

447
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: as maybe than a plataus. At this point, we're just

448
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: it's just expected, right, Yeah, we all thought that you

449
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: and Jacob were going to cruise in the next Rose

450
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: ceremony together. But then you shoot your shot with Logan

451
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: and then your feelings were reciprocated. Were you surprised? So

452
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: I remember having that kind of initial magnetization moment with

453
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: Logan and then you know, things move so quickly and

454
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: everything changes so fast that I thought, you know, that

455
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: window might be closed because of the Sarah of it all,

456
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: also because of the chine of it all. But I remember,

457
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like wanting to pivot away from Jacob,

458
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: feeling more are aligned with pursuing Logan. But I didn't know,

459
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, if that would be reciprocated, if we were

460
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: on the same page about that. I got a lot

461
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: of encouragement from other people on the beach, you know,

462
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: if you're feeling this way, you should talk to him,

463
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: and so I just kind of like through a hail

464
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: Mary and like let him know how I felt. And

465
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: it did you know again? It just felt so in

466
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: alignment with who I am and what I want and

467
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: it being reciprocated. It just like solidified for me that

468
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: it was the right choice and I was willing to,

469
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, go through hell and high water in order

470
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: to get there. Yeah. I have to say it was

471
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: so entertaining, like this scene unfold, not only with like

472
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: the two of you when you actually got that date

473
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: card and ask Slogan, but like everyone's reactions like jaws

474
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: were in the sand because nobody expected it. And I

475
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: feel like, just to take viewers back in case they

476
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: miss anything, did it really kick off? Like you know,

477
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: we see Logan on the date with Sarah the night

478
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: before he gets home that night, Like did it kind

479
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: of start that night a little bit where it's like

480
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: that was the initial conversation of like I still am

481
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: kind of vibing with you. Let see where this could go.

482
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: Obviously then trickles into the next day, but like that

483
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: was the moment where you, as Michelle said, like you

484
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: shot your shot and then he was kind of like, ah,

485
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I might still be open too. She's in her head, yes, everyone,

486
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: So I think, like, you know, in that moment, I

487
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: was willing to risk it all because you know, that's

488
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of what this whole container is about, being able

489
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: to drop into a space where like all you can

490
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: do is fully be yourself and like go for what

491
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: you want and like that, you know, that felt like

492
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: the right move. And so I think for him, he

493
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: wasn't as like forthcoming about that, but I think it's

494
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: because you know, he has a friendship with Jacob. He

495
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: also had you know, a lot of cooks in the

496
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: kid so to speak. He had Sarah and he had Chennai.

497
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: And so when I had that conversation with him, I

498
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: made sure to mention, like, look, I want to throw

499
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: my hat in the ring, but it's already really crowded

500
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: in there, and I want you to kind of like

501
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: figure out your feelings with the two of them before I,

502
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, make a move here, because it's you know,

503
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: you have way more going on. And I also don't

504
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: like want to like cause you know, I don't want

505
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: to throw the rock in the water and have the

506
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: ripples affect so many people on this beach unless this

507
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: is real and this is serious. So like I told

508
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: him to literally sleep on it. It was like the

509
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: end of the night and I'm like, I want you

510
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: to go to bed and I want you to like

511
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: figure this out and let's talk tomorrow morning. And when

512
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: we did, it was just like it was a full

513
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: body yes, and I just loved it so much. I

514
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: was like, wait, say that's so exciting. Like it it

515
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: felt way more like, you know, how I wanted it

516
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: to feel instead of this just guilt and like, you know,

517
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: not shame, but just like a lot of like worry

518
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: for Jill and how she was feeling, like all that disappeared,

519
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: and so it just they thought like the right move

520
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: is okay. So when you're chrisy, you guys had this

521
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: conversation and it was Logan that said, I don't I'm

522
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: not sure the time, I'm a timeline of it. But

523
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Logan said he was like, I am not a person

524
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: who goes on a lot of dates or wants to

525
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: go on a lot of dates or something like that.

526
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: And then like my response, I was like, dude, you

527
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: you like sit in records with how many dates you've

528
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: gone on me. That boy did not stop going on

529
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: date is it? But yeah, so like when he said that,

530
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: but what you like say, what he did say is

531
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I'd rather go on one date and start something serious

532
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: with the got it? Yeah? Okay, So I wanted to,

533
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: like you to clarify that if it was, because like

534
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: for me, the way that I took it, I was like, okay,

535
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: like she hasn't been here, Like she doesn't you know

536
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like is he trying to like put

537
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: on a face or is he trying to clarify like

538
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I've been on a lot of dates, but I don't

539
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: want that type of life connection. Yeah, I think probably both.

540
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, I think he was definitely trying to put

541
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: his best foot forward. I knew here. I don't know

542
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: what's transpired in the time before I got here. You know,

543
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: all I know is what people are telling me, and

544
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: so like I'm operating with the information that I'm being given.

545
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: But I think he definitely wanted to put his best

546
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: foot forward. I mean, you know, why wouldn't he. So

547
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: I want to get into the date between you and

548
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Logan because and just comparing and I don't want to

549
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: compare because you and Sarah are completely different, but comparing

550
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: how he was on the date the night before with

551
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Sarah versus the date with you, it looks like he

552
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: was just so much more comfortable and at ease, and

553
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: it seemed so fun. Like the date that you went

554
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: on could have been completely awkward, right, Like if you

555
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't actually feel that connection and you both weren't like

556
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: as spunky and free as you were giving massages to

557
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: each other, could have been weird but so painful. Like yeah,

558
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: awkward truly, but you both seemed so into each other,

559
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: like I said, so at ease. What was the biggest

560
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: difference like for both of both you, for you in

561
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: both of the connections between Logan and Jacob at that point, yeah,

562
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: I need I remember Logan and I laughing later about

563
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: that date and just being like if that wasn't with you,

564
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: that could have taken such a left turn and it

565
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: would have been like cricket noise, you know, like so

566
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: weird and awkward. But I just knew our sense of

567
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: humors are so aligned. That's like one of my favorite

568
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: things about him is that we have a very like

569
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: similar like sense of humor and the way that we

570
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: joke and like the nature of the jokes, like it

571
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: just all like felt like super aligned with me. And

572
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: so going on that date with him and just being

573
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: able to be like this could be so cringe, but

574
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: we're just going to lean in and have so much fun.

575
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Like that really like solidified like my feelings for him,

576
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: because it was like, oh my gosh, like this is

577
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: what I want a partner. I want someone who's like

578
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run with the joke, someone who's

579
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: going to be able to make me laugh and take

580
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: situations that like could be cringe and turn them into

581
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: something that's like kind of cute and funny. Like I

582
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: was really here for that. If that date would have

583
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: been with Jacob, you know, I still think we would

584
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: have laughed a lot. It might have been you know,

585
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: the different like kind of while you give him the

586
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: Literally the best part of that date for me was

587
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: when you were you were like trying to be all

588
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: coy and flirtatious and like, you know, I take tips

589
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: and all kinds of currency, and he goes crypto and

590
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: is exactly He's a ripper. He builds on the joke.

591
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: That's like my favorite type of humors. That's the way

592
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: that I am too. So we we laugh a lot together.

593
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about like on your date. I mean,

594
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure you kind of knew knew going in

595
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: that he had this relationship of some sorts with Shane.

596
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Did you get into more of that on your date?

597
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about her. I think it was honestly

598
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: us compartmentalizing a little bit, you know, like out of sight,

599
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: out of mind, let's just have fun on this day.

600
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But

601
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: I remember feeling really confident, like in our connection and

602
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: being really sure that no matter what happened, that we

603
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: would weather the storm, we would be okay. I was

604
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: so just curious for you if so when typically like

605
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: when you're having like those first impressions and you're like

606
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: learning about somebody right Like, I don't know for me personally,

607
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: there's a fine line between like sometimes cute and then

608
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: it's like you can get turned off in two seconds

609
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: and they give you the ick. And so hearing that

610
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: he's been spending his time with Sheeney when you come in,

611
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: you had some very just clear, still residual feelings just

612
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: about who she was as a person and everything. When

613
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: you heard that he was kind of pursuing Sheeney, were

614
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: you like, what are you doing? Like did that turn

615
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: you away at all? Or you like challenge accepted it,

616
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: raised some eyebrows for me for sure, and it kind

617
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: of felt like perhaps his judgment was questionable. Yeah, I think,

618
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting down there and hearing you know, everybody

619
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, she's different and see has been

620
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: really cool and it's fine. You know, there was a

621
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: part of me that wanted to give him a little

622
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: bit of grace because you know, maybe she is presenting

623
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: a certain way and he's kind of resonating with that.

624
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, I would be lying if I said

625
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: that it didn't affect, you know, my initial view of him.

626
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: And you know, it was something that I kind of

627
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: had to come to terms with and asked, didn't just

628
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: so bother you that or just so okay? So you

629
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: said that with Jacob, the one thing that you really

630
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: liked is that he pursued you, and like that's what's

631
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: something that was like really attractive to you to like

632
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: feel seen in all those things. It seems like with

633
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: your relationship with Logan, you definitely have taken the rain.

634
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: So like you are the one that are you know,

635
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: are professing your feelings for him first and then as

636
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: this is starting to unravel and everything, like you're initiating

637
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: it or you know, when this group of the original

638
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: girls is about to walk back in. We know shit's

639
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: going to hit the fan. You're I think you said.

640
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: I love the way you said it. You're like, I'm

641
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm a life raft, like you can't sink me, and

642
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: like I'll get us through this. And one I was like,

643
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love that, Like I'm gonna steal

644
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: that and use that sometimes like that that means to

645
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: be in some type of notebook like movie. That was great, phenomenal, phenomenal,

646
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: five stars. But did you feel like you were initiating

647
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: it too much and you wanted more from logan? Yes,

648
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: And this becomes kind of a theme throughout and also

649
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: a theme in my life. You know, Paradise kind of

650
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: can be a mirror and almost a microcosm like of

651
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: the world and your relationships and the way that you

652
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 1: move through them. I can end up taking that role

653
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: and steering the ship and taking the reins, and I

654
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: don't love to be there all the time. I enjoy

655
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: being a passenger, you know, and being a DJ and

656
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: like backseat driving and all that jazz. But you know

657
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I want partnership. I don't want

658
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: someone that I'm having to lead. Ideally I would like

659
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: someone who's ahead of me, but with this, it was

660
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: just like, you know, Okay, I'm registering these things and

661
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: you can probably tell but at the end of the day,

662
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: like I'm willing to see how he shows up in

663
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: these situations. I'm willing to see what he does when

664
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Shine comes back, Like I'm I'm clocking it for sure,

665
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm like self aware enough to understand that this

666
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: can't be the dynamic forever. But is it okay for

667
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: right now? Like it is it a means to an end?

668
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Can we grow from this? Because that's the other thing too.

669
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I'm going to meet you where

670
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: you're at, but I don't want us to stay there,

671
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: like I want us to grow to pint. I want

672
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: us to get it. Definitely seemed like you have the

673
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: like you had the emotional intelligence you know, to be

674
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the leader in that situation anyways, but I don't want

675
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: that all the time and good, yeah, you know, I

676
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: get it well. And it seemed like as confident as

677
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: you were with your connection after that date with Logan,

678
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: was there any part of you that was a little

679
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: bit nervous knowing that sne was about to come right

680
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: back down and that Logan would choose to continue to

681
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: pursue things with her or to still kind of play

682
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: the fence with both of you, Or were you just

683
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: like so confident going into that, like the moment when

684
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: she returned. I was obviously apprehensive about her like return

685
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: to the beach for very like obvious reasons. But never

686
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: did I have a doubt that Logan would end up

687
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to play to both of us

688
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: or juggle us, or you know, do anything other than

689
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: fully choose me. I felt really really confident that we

690
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: would get through that and we would be fine. But

691
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: I still, you know, wasn't like excited about her to

692
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: come back. Would you have given him? How much grace

693
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: would you? Would you have given him, because, like you said,

694
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: you give him grace with before. Would you if he

695
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't necessarily making that direct cut, what do you?

696
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Would you just have been like, Okay, we're completely done.

697
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: Such a good question, I think, Um, I think it

698
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: would have been really hard for me to continue to

699
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: like give him slack. You know, I felt like I

700
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: was already kind of like meeting him where he was at,

701
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: and like this was his chance to kind of like

702
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: show me that he was all in and serious and

703
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: someone you know who because you're looking for a partner,

704
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: You're looking for someone who can you can build a

705
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: life with. And so I think if he would have

706
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: been wavering in that, and if he would have you know,

707
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: acted conflicted or torn, I don't know how much more

708
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: patience I would have had for that. That would have

709
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: been really difficult. But again I kind of just I

710
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: just knew, like I don't know, it was like my gut,

711
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: just like knew that he was going to be able

712
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with her and cut ties and

713
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: that we would be able to move forward. Isn't that

714
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: such just a reassuring feeling to know, like even if,

715
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: like you said, you were apprehensive, even if there's like

716
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: certain nerves underlying certain conversations that have to be had,

717
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to still have confidence in your relationship and to know

718
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: like he's going to come back to you because you

719
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: have the strongest connection, Like, there's something so reassuring in that, right. Yes,

720
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: it was very empowering because you know, it's so hard

721
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: to predict literally anything that happens down there, but like

722
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: in that moment, like if you feel the sure thing,

723
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: like just relish in it, even for a little bit,

724
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: because everything could change, you know, literally in a few hours.

725
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: But for that moment, I just remember feeling so confident

726
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: and empowered, like this is how a relationship should be.

727
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: We should have each other's backs through like the easy

728
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: times the hard times. Okay, so Chanik comes down, Logan

729
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: has that conversation with you, comes back to you. Let's

730
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: get into that situation in itself, because there's a lot

731
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: that went down. Were you surprised by Schne's reaction to

732
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: learning about you and Logan and even like her reaction

733
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: to the fact of you guys like sitting right behind her,

734
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Like did you choose to be right there? I know

735
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: that there was probably a lot going on in that moment,

736
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: but like, in hindsight, do you wish you would have

737
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: just like popped around the corner? It definitely felt and

738
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me to remember like the semantics

739
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: of like the situation, but I remember like feeling feeling

740
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: confident and feeling good that that that leg of the

741
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: situation had like happened already, because you know, it's just

742
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: like there are so many hurdles, you know, I was

743
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: glad that like he made it through that one and

744
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: that we were okay. It was in convenient that she

745
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: was so close by, and I think, you know, if

746
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: I were her, I would probably feel like, you know,

747
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: we were trying to rub our nose in it a

748
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: little bit, but that wasn't my intention. Like that doesn't

749
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: feel good for me to like glow in that way.

750
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Like I felt happy and reassured in my connection with Logan,

751
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: but you know, it sucks to come back and you know,

752
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: something that you thought would be waiting for you or

753
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: something that you had anticipated to be a certain way

754
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: is not anymore. So like you know, I get that

755
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: that's not ideal, but you know, at the same time,

756
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: like I'm happy, you know the situation in itself, Like yes,

757
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you're happy, but it is kind of tough, and it

758
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: would be a tough pill for Senada Swallow because she

759
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: is sitting over here distraught right like the guy that

760
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: she was in too show somebody else. But then you

761
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: have this whole audience behind you too, that is not

762
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: only watching the conversation between her and Logan, but the

763
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: conversation and the kiss between you and Logan and counting

764
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: down the moments to that kiss and cheering as she's

765
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: on the rock, you know, contemplating what do I do next? Time?

766
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Moment I was like, this is like the show to

767
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: a t, Like just everyone in one picture, cheering and

768
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: crying everything. What drove you to then approach Gennay after

769
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: that to have that conversation with her, like you know,

770
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Logan had already talked to her a couple of times,

771
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: but then you decided to take it upon yourself. So

772
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: what was that drive behind that, which like the like

773
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: what you mentioned, like the show to a t, the

774
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: duality of like everyone's experiences and how like on the

775
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: one hand, everyone's cheering soaks. I remember that moment. I

776
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: remember hugging him and looking up at the pool and

777
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: everybody's like staring down, like, you know, like is it good? Happened?

778
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: I give them a thumbs up, they all start cheering.

779
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: That was like that, I'll carry that moment with me forever.

780
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: I felt so celebrated and so just encouraged and reassured

781
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: with everybody's reaction. But at the same time, like for Chennai,

782
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: that sucks, you know, like that was probably like just

783
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: kerosene to the fire that was already like Kenna starting

784
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: to take over for her. So, you know, I get it,

785
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: but it's like having you know, two those two truths

786
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: can co exist, and that's like so like paradise, right, yea.

787
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: There can be so many different things that are still true,

788
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make them any harder or easier for

789
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: anybody involved, you know. Yeah, And after that, you know,

790
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: after that, you get that in that reassurance and that um,

791
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, gratification and everything you is after feeling that,

792
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: is that what kind of push you to go then

793
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: check on Shannai because you were like, well, I am

794
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: going to have to co exist with this person, you know,

795
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: and you did walk down there to intend to work

796
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: things out potentially explain just kind of explain how how

797
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: that went down. So I am certainly not a person

798
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: who likes into the arms of confrontation. It's actually something

799
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: that I really struggle with and something that doesn't come

800
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: natural to me at all. But it was one of

801
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: those things where I knew that we were going to

802
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: have to coexist on the same beach together, and I

803
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: just wanted to squash it and let her know, like, hey,

804
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: I know that that isn't easy to come down here

805
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: and see that, and I'm sorry that you had to.

806
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: But I'm also not afraid of you, and I'm not

807
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna like let you push me around or like you

808
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: say things about me and your interviews that are hurtful.

809
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: So I think me approaching her, I was coming from

810
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: a place of like, let's find an understanding, but also like,

811
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm not someone that you can like try and break,

812
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: so that conversation isn't something that like I normally would

813
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: be comfortable doing. But I viewed it as a moment

814
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: for growth and an opportunity to speak my mind and

815
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: like be able to advocate for myself and ask for

816
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: what I need and name you know how I'm feeling.

817
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: So you know, it was tough, but I'm glad that

818
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, when in a normal world, if

819
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: like say, the situation where it happened, it's not like

820
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: you'd be living with the person that your now partner

821
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: used stay right, Like that just doesn't happen. So I

822
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: kind of understand like the thought process behind it. I

823
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: don't think it panned out quite how you had hoped

824
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: or expected. Obviously we don't really know where it went

825
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: because we were left with the cliffhanger so we'll obviously

826
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: have to find out. I will say, though, I'm just like,

827
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: I think it's such a theme this season that people

828
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: just keep kind of removing themselves and setting themselves home.

829
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: So I, for one, was just shocked. Fundy is like, no,

830
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick around and like try to find

831
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: another relationship. I was just like, I'm so used to

832
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: Like Teddy sent herself home, Jill just removed herself. Lace

833
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: removed herself, Like all these women just keep going that.

834
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: I was just I think expecting. But again, we'll find

835
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: out next week. Okay, despite all of the craziness that happened, though,

836
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: things are looking real good for you and Logan on

837
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: that beach. We're excited to see where that leads because

838
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: you were like, by your smile, I think you know

839
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: good things at least for a while, hopefully for beyond that.

840
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: But we want to get your thoughts on everything that

841
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: is going down on Paradise. So you were there the

842
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: moment that Lace came back down to the beach to

843
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: see if Rodney was there to have a conversation. Were

844
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: you shocked that she chose to leave that night? I

845
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: think for Lace, And it's so funny because that was

846
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: the only interaction I had with her from AFAR, like

847
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: watching her kind of unravel in front of the guys

848
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: and asking where Rodney was. And you know, on the

849
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: one hand, like you can't help but feel for her.

850
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: That sucks, Like I think she didn't really give it

851
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: the old college try during split week, and so she

852
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: was really like laser focused on making things work with Rodney.

853
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: But on the other side, it's like Eliza, I got

854
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: to witness that connection form and it looked so natural

855
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and effortless, and everybody was really championing that and so

856
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: like as you know, the role of Eliza's cheerleader, like

857
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, seeing Lace come down and seeing her you know,

858
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: then self eliminate was sad for her. I think she

859
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: probably felt a little pigeonholed and didn't know, like it,

860
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, what, where to go from there, and so

861
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I think it might have just been easiest to remove herself.

862
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: She was probably really hurt. But on the other side,

863
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, yeay Eliza, Like we

864
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: love to see this, right, Gosh, it's so hard. That's

865
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: the duality that you're talking about too, just so many

866
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: things going on at one time, and also that was

867
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: not the first time that Lace was heartbroken on the

868
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: beach and the season with everything you know, but with okay,

869
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: so Lace comes down, the ogs are still up there

870
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: at this pool, in this in this conversation, in this question,

871
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: and then when Jill comes back, jacob relaised that info

872
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: to her and she takes off. Did you have like

873
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: you didn't get to say goodbye? You didn't you know

874
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: all those different things? Have you spoken to her? Since

875
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: I am very confident in my friendship with Jill, even still,

876
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: it was devastating for her to leave and me not

877
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: to be able to have like any time on the

878
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: beach with her Beckets, like you said, like you have

879
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: it in your mind of like I'm going to dream

880
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: Margarite's with my friends, I'm gonna get tann, I'm gonna

881
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: have this like fun shared experience with these girls who

882
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: means so much to me, and so to not even

883
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: get to hug her or like say hi to her,

884
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: that was like one of the toughest moments for me

885
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: for sure, And just liking how sad she was. Yeah,

886
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: it really affected me. Oh, I can't even imagine, I

887
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: can't even I mean, like, granted we've all done it.

888
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: When we were all in The Bachelor, we all dated

889
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: the same man. But it's so different this time around,

890
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: when you have more time and space to explore multiple relationships.

891
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: And I can't even imagine, like like on the beaches

892
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: of Paradise, going after somebody that you're into that like

893
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: one of your friends is into too. It's got to

894
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: be such a tough predicament. It's like it's hard for

895
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: me to even find the words to describe like how

896
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: that feels, because it is so different from Bachelor, because

897
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: you do have such autonomy an agency to make these

898
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: decisions for yourself. So like it's on the one hand, empowering,

899
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: but it's also like really stressful and like people's feelings

900
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: are involved. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I can't even imagine.

901
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel for anyone that has to

902
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: go through that specific scenario on that beach. Um, Okay,

903
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: so right now on this beach, we do have a

904
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: couple new formed relationships, and then we have like several

905
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: relationships that are very strong and granted you came down

906
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: during the week where the split happened, but you also

907
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: saw everyone reunite, like Brandon and Serene and Victoria and Johnny,

908
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: even though that's like a little rocky. Are there any

909
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: couples so far that we've seen that you're like truly

910
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: hope go the distance? Truly hoping go the distance? Let

911
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: me speak about our English there. Yeah, I cannot talk

912
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: right now. I'm sorry. Yeah. I remember during split week

913
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: like always talking to Brandon and being like, are you

914
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: ready for your sweetie to get back? Because you go

915
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Serene and I are friends from Clayton season, and like

916
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: just seeing him light up and like seeing you know,

917
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: them come together and have that moment. Like I everybody

918
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: was just like really really championing them to go the distance.

919
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: Who else I thought that Aaron and Genevieve, they're like

920
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: the way that they reunite like is just so indicative of, like,

921
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, who they are as people. And I was

922
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: really excited to kind of watch that one because he

923
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: was he was another one that I like got really

924
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: close with and just you know, was able to be

925
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: like you know, how great it should to be, like

926
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: don't we love her so much? Like it was it

927
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: was fun to kind of talk to the boys about

928
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: how great the girls were and when they weren't around

929
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: like that, was you know, that just felt so cool

930
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I love the friendship

931
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: set form too, honestly the best do we even need boys? Like,

932
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: but you were in the friendships with the guys, like

933
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like you didn't just form friendships with

934
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: the girls on Clayton season, Like some of the guys

935
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: on that beach now you will be friends with for

936
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a lifetime. It's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was fun

937
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: to kind of be able to grow out with them

938
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: but also be able to just like be there emotionally

939
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: and spiritually for the girls, Like I just I don't know,

940
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: across the board really really good time. Yeah, well, we

941
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: know that there is still so much to come, but kay,

942
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: can you tease a little for the listeners about what

943
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: to expect this season on Bachelor and Paradise. What to

944
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: expect this season and Unbachelor in Paradise, I think expect

945
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the unexpected. Like there are things that

946
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: happen that that felt so like just out of my

947
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: comfort zone and I think probably out of a lot

948
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: of people's. But it was moments where you know, we

949
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: got to really push our boundaries and do it in

950
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: a space that was safe, and that was fun, and

951
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: that was challenging, but like deeply authentic and real. Um,

952
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of fun. You know. I remember

953
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: kind of being sad that it was going to be over.

954
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Before it was over, you know, it was like we

955
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: all I have this conversation with Michael. I don't know,

956
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I thought if they show it or not, but just

957
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: like the way that you know, we're all coming together.

958
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: We all are from different walks of life and have

959
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: different stories, and just for this moment, we all get

960
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: to be in this shared space together and share these memories.

961
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: Like it brought me to tears, Like it's there. There

962
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: are a lot of tough moments, but there are a

963
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: lot of like heartwarming, real moments too. Yeah, so you're

964
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: saying you're going to be around for a while, I

965
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: tune in to find out. Damn, everyone's so good. You

966
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: know how to give us just enough? I will say, like,

967
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure you felt moments on the beach where you're

968
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: like this is dragging on, it's never gonna end, Like

969
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: when can I just get back home to relax? But

970
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: then it also moves so damn fast and like it's

971
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: gone in the blink of a nine and you're going

972
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: to be like, I wish I was back on that beach.

973
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: So I'm I love when people can like, everyone has

974
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: such a different experience. Some people love paradise, some people

975
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: hate it, but I like, it's still such a unique,

976
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: special thing. So I love when people can actually realize

977
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: that and appreciate it. Whether you had a great outcome

978
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: or not the best outcome, it's still like so unique

979
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: that not very many people get to experience. So with that, Kate,

980
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: before we let you go, we love to keep our

981
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: listeners here on Happy how We're informed, and so lately

982
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, we've been sharing important

983
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: resources that we love. We've but including them on our

984
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: Instagram highlights so people can go and check them out

985
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: very easily to access them. So we're gonna have you

986
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: share one. But first, Michelle, do you want to kick

987
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: it off this week? Yeah? Absolutely, so. My resource is

988
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: actually it's a documentary this time. It's called The Black Feminist.

989
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: I believe you can stream it on YouTube. There's a

990
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: bunch of other sources as well, our platforms as well,

991
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: but it basically just kind of goes into that double

992
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: edged sword of being feminist and being black in just

993
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: how that oppression takes place over different out of race

994
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: and then also a gender and so it's something that's

995
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: super interesting your attention right off the bat and really

996
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: kind of focuses on zones in on specifically black women.

997
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: So again that one's called the Black Feminist. Awesome, Thank you, Becca. Yes.

998
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: So this is a book that I read oh Man

999
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: about a year ago, but it Thomas just packed it

1000
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: when we went out of town this weekend. And it's

1001
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: a book called I Take My Coffee Black. It's by

1002
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: my dear friend Tyler Merritt. I highly recommend everyone checking

1003
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: out him on Instagram. He is such a joy of

1004
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: a human being. His book it's all about like him

1005
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: growing up in this multi cultured community and realizing that,

1006
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: like in specific moments, that he wasn't always welcome. But

1007
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of about his experience growing up as a

1008
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: black man. It is. It's such a great read because

1009
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: it's so insightful, but it's also hilarious at moments it's

1010
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: gut wrenching. It weaves in lessons about like white privilege

1011
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: and the history of racism that is still very prevalent

1012
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: in our country in our society. So it's called I

1013
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: Take Mcffee Black by Tyler Merritt. Again he's such a gem,

1014
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: and he also I don't know when how recent, but

1015
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: he did also just come out with the children's book

1016
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: as well, which could be incredible for younger kids. So

1017
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: I definitely want to check out that kid's book and

1018
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: maybe give it to my niece as like a little

1019
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: birthday present or early Christmas present. But yeah, I Take

1020
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: my Coffee Black. I will link that on my Instagram

1021
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: as well. And now, Kate, you're up, so I actually

1022
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: have too. The first one is a podcast that I

1023
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: will listen to every now and then called The Financial Feminist,

1024
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: and she'll have guests come on and just talk about

1025
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: like what it is to be a woman in the

1026
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: workforce and you know, how to ask for what you

1027
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: need and get a raise and whatever. This one in

1028
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: particular that kind of resonate with me is called Unlearning

1029
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: Self Sacrifice for Women. The guest that she has is

1030
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: Tiffany Dufou, who has been an author. She was on

1031
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: the panel for Lean in the latest book that she's

1032
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: written is called Dropping the Ball, and it's basically about like,

1033
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: as women, you know, society tells us to be all

1034
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: these things, a good wife, a good mom, a good employee,

1035
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: and like, you know, we we juggle so much and

1036
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: we wear so many hats, and like it's about like,

1037
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of dismantling that we have to be

1038
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: like all these things and you know we can ask

1039
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: for help and just like the kind of like gender

1040
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: roles and things that go with that. So I found

1041
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: it really interesting. I think you guys would honestly really

1042
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: love it. So if you haven't listened, definitely. The second

1043
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: one I can't like fully endorse because I'm not done

1044
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: with it yet, but so far, so good. It's a

1045
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: book I am listening to on my Hot Girl Walks

1046
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: called Pleasure Activism, and it's basically about The author is

1047
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: Adrian Marie Brown. She is a woman of color. She's

1048
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: also queer, and it's unpacking like how we can use

1049
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: pleasure in order to work through trauma and kind of like,

1050
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, how our society has been like viewing pleasure

1051
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: through like different lenses and how like you can find

1052
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: liberation and like learning how to feel good and how

1053
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: that's actually better for like your interpersonal relationships, your relationship

1054
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: with the climate, like everything can kind of be like

1055
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: filtered through that, and it's like it's pretty heavy. It's like,

1056
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think piece, but like it's something that

1057
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: I am learning so much about already and I'm like

1058
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: a third of the way in. So if you be

1059
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: resonate with that, I would recommend awesome. Well what's the

1060
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: title of that one again, Pleasure activism And she liked

1061
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: things in some parts of it, so I would recommend

1062
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: audiobook for sure. Okay, awesome, wonderful. Well, thank you for

1063
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: doing your homework and sharing those two. Yeah, always, we

1064
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: always love to share those, so we will definitely even

1065
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: if you want to send us those one two, or

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Speaker 1: we can even dig them up and share them on

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Speaker 1: our page two just so more people can ask access

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Speaker 1: them so easily. But now the time has come, we

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Speaker 1: have one last thing that you gotta do, which we

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Speaker 1: have all of our guests on Happy Hour do, and

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Speaker 1: that is to share your rose and thorn of your

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Speaker 1: paradise journey so far. So of these two weeks that

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Speaker 1: you've been on the beach overall, what has been the

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Speaker 1: best moment, your highlight and what has been the messiest

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Speaker 1: or worst moment? I think that my rose so far

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Speaker 1: would be just how present I was able to be,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm someone who can live in my head a

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Speaker 1: little bit and be anticipating the future, and you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of like staring into the past and in an

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Speaker 1: environment like Paradise, like you are just so focused on

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Speaker 1: the present and so able to just drop in and

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Speaker 1: be in the moment. And that was so beautiful for me.

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Speaker 1: I really I felt like that I thrived in that,

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Speaker 1: like being able to just like live in the now,

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Speaker 1: because that's something that's so tough for me to do

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Speaker 1: on the outside. So I think that that would be

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Speaker 1: my rose my thorn. I know I've talked about this

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Speaker 1: at nauseum at this point, but just kind of the

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Speaker 1: nature and the juxtaposition of like feeling so like powerful

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Speaker 1: and being pursued and just like stepping into a space

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Speaker 1: of just being like I'm going to go for what

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Speaker 1: I want and feel so empowered in doing that, mixed

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Speaker 1: with like, you know, these are people's feelings on the

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Speaker 1: other side of this, and these are my friends, and

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Speaker 1: it just was like a really it was a really

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Speaker 1: tough thing for me to navigate, and I spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time like really really worried about you know,

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Speaker 1: what Jill might think, what other people might think, what

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Speaker 1: viewers might think, And maybe there's a butt in there

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Speaker 1: for me of like why are other people's opinions? Like

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Speaker 1: why am I placing so much of my worth and

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Speaker 1: my value and what other people think about me? So

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Speaker 1: maybe I should explore that, But I think that that

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Speaker 1: would be my thorn, just you know, being in my

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Speaker 1: head about all that stuff. Totally understand, Totally understand. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely quite an experience, and as much as it can

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Speaker 1: be a fun experience, there's a lot that comes with

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Speaker 1: it even after you're done filming, once you're watching everything

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Speaker 1: back as well, tougher than being there, yeah, living it,

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Speaker 1: you know. But thank you so much, Kate for being here.

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Speaker 1: It was so nice to talk to you, and we

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what's next for you out on

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Speaker 1: the speech. Ye I think you, Kate. It was so

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Speaker 1: good to see you again. I can't wait to keep

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Speaker 1: watching you, and I'm so intrigued to see where your

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Speaker 1: relationship with Logan might go. So thanks for popping on today.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks guys, it was honestly a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I feel so lucky to be able to chat with

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Speaker 1: you guys. Oh you're so fun, so please come back anytime. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: look you soon bye. I like, Kate, that was interesting, No,

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Speaker 1: that was good. She gave us a lot of really

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Speaker 1: good insight, I think, yes, and I'm glad we had

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Speaker 1: her own because Michelle and I had talked about this

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Speaker 1: a little bit before we started recording, like, I think

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Speaker 1: parts of her viewers are going to love, and then

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Speaker 1: parts and things that she said on the episodes probably

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Speaker 1: rubbed people the wrong way. But I'm glad we were

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Speaker 1: able to have her on to explain a bit more.

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Speaker 1: I think she's so confident, and you know, we're not

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Speaker 1: always used to that confidence in women, and I find

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Speaker 1: it incredible, Like I wish I could be more like

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Speaker 1: that too, But I'm glad she was able to just

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Speaker 1: give more of like the why behind her actions. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see where it goes with her. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Kate for joining us today. Michelle, I always love chatting

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Speaker 1: with you, but a bigger thank you to all of

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Speaker 1: our Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget to all of you

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Speaker 1: listeners out there that you can catch all new episodes

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Speaker 1: of Paradise every Monday and Tuesday on ABC or Hulu

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: and make sure to hit us up on social. You

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: can follow us at Bachelor happy Hour on Instagram and

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,840
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Speaker 1: Follow us on Twitter and TikTok and all new episodes

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Speaker 1: the Wondering App. Thank you, Batchelsteners, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you next week. Jeez,