Speaker 1: We've got a bit of an election happening over here
Speaker 1: soon too. You might have its. Yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be an absolute I'm gonna have nine hundred beers that night.
Speaker 2: And you may well have a felon running for president.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean we he is.
Speaker 3: That's not Chandywood what he ends up doing, where he's.
Speaker 2: Running unprecedented times.
Speaker 1: In the best way possible.
Speaker 3: It's all un president because we just had to come
Speaker 3: up with the idea of how cool to do it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you guys might pick up a thing or two
Speaker 1: over there from us to England. Here's a free lesson.
Speaker 3: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, forty two,
Speaker 3: Episode two of The Guys, the production of iHeart And
Speaker 3: this is a podcast.
Speaker 1: Where we take a deep dive into America share consciousness.
Speaker 3: And it is Tuesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Garretty, motherfuckers. It's National Forklift Safety Day. It's National Call
Speaker 1: your Doctor Day, is National Making Life Beautiful Day, is
Speaker 1: National Germany Child the Cake Day.
Speaker 3: The first three felt the first two at least felt
Speaker 3: somewhat related.
Speaker 1: Been Making Life Beautiful Day, and you shot the cake?
Speaker 3: No forklift safety and then call your doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, like the
Speaker 1: other two Digging Life Beautiful Day, Nah fuck that?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: How about this one? It's also you didn't let me finish.
Speaker 1: It's also National Corn on the Cob Day. Now that's
Speaker 1: probably the best one of them all shot out Corn
Speaker 1: on the cop.
Speaker 3: I do love some corn on the cop sweet corn.
Speaker 3: We're getting into corn season. It's corn season and America season.
Speaker 1: Baby, you grill it or you boil it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it like recently National Forklift Operators Day? And then
Speaker 3: I feel like a week later they're like, and oh,
Speaker 3: that did not go well.
Speaker 1: Let's make a National Forklifts they safety Day. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: to do cool tricks on your Yeah, be safe.
Speaker 3: I can spin on the little fork in the front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know how break answers do like windmills
Speaker 1: and shit, watch this fork lower it with the wheel boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right.
Speaker 3: Well my name is Jack O'Brien aka, I'm your hopeful pres.
Speaker 3: I'll never be the pres, but I'm your anti vaxer pres.
Speaker 3: But really I'm not actually your pres. But I am
Speaker 3: Bobby Kenny in the middle of the ballot, who watches
Speaker 3: over you. There's a little worm housting your brain. Not
Speaker 3: to put too fine a point on it, don't give
Speaker 3: this guy the key to atomics. There's a little worm
Speaker 3: housting your brain that is courtesy of keV Whatev on
Speaker 3: the discord in reference to our third presidential candidate, but
Speaker 3: first in all of our hearts and in all of
Speaker 3: our brains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Kevin whatever. What's that? What song
Speaker 1: was that? Bird Housing or Soul?
Speaker 4: Who is that?
Speaker 3: They might be giants? Oh they might not, but I think.
Speaker 1: They might be giants. I'm like, I only know like
Speaker 1: they did like Triangle Man and.
Speaker 3: Ship Triangle Man, Triangle Man, and then you don't know,
Speaker 3: bird Housing or Soul not a bit of a deep.
Speaker 1: Cut, something culturally did not penetrate the bubble for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that and maybe Malcolm in the Middle theme
Speaker 1: song that I knew them from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there, and the Mickey Mouse Hot Dog song
Speaker 3: that Ship Goes. It was a it's like a song
Speaker 3: that from like a Mickey Mouse show my kids were into.
Speaker 3: I was like, this song is catchy as fuck, and
Speaker 3: then I looked it up and it was by they
Speaker 3: might be giants.
Speaker 1: Secretly like this song is catchy. A song fucking goes man.
Speaker 1: I can't let my kids know.
Speaker 3: I have to remain detached and unimpressed by their culture.
Speaker 3: But anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
Speaker 3: my co host mister.
Speaker 1: Yes it's Miles Gray aka Vulnerable. WHOA. Green is not
Speaker 1: a color that is primary? Whoa? It takes me and
Speaker 1: yellow to make the green shout out to first Blood
Speaker 1: five two two. I did admit, in a moment of vulnerability,
Speaker 1: I was being candid. I did not know what the
Speaker 1: fucking primary colors were, and I was completely backwards. People
Speaker 1: were hitting me on on discord. They're like Bram a
Speaker 1: art teacher, and it really hurt to hear you say
Speaker 1: that you thought some of these colors would go together.
Speaker 1: It was genuinely shocked. I get it. Look, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: we all got blind spots. It takes a wise person
Speaker 1: to admit what they don't know. I didn't about all
Speaker 1: my shits were fucked up.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's it's like a single day in art class,
Speaker 3: whether it's elementary school. So it's I can see how
Speaker 3: it be super easy to make excuses for me. Man, No, no,
Speaker 3: but it's just like so a thing that I think
Speaker 3: about so often, like stupidly so not not not a
Speaker 3: thing I should be thinking about as often.
Speaker 1: As I do. But yeah, that really fucked me up. Man.
Speaker 1: I know a lot. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: I know I lost a lot of followers. I lost
Speaker 1: like three thousand followers.
Speaker 3: Miles Fin Colors, you are thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 3: their third seat by a very funny media critic, talented musician,
Speaker 3: just all around artists who you know from YouTube, where
Speaker 3: her work has been viewed millions of times and hailed
Speaker 3: by The New York Times.
Speaker 1: Please welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to sing a song now?
Speaker 1: Yes, you got to your musician. You are duty bound.
Speaker 2: I just didn't Preparis song. I didn't Preparis song.
Speaker 1: I will allow it this once.
Speaker 2: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Watch walking on the moon. Cat, you go, my leg
Speaker 1: storm breaks. Yeah see, I brought it all together right there.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just not hearing in awe, How on
Speaker 2: it you guys are so early in the morning.
Speaker 1: Right now, eleven fifty two.
Speaker 2: That's early in the morning for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be awake right now, frankly, quite frankly, Cat,
Speaker 3: we shouldn't be awake right now, and you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Look have lunch yet, and you're on it.
Speaker 1: On it, I have not had lunch yet. Usually, like
Speaker 1: as soon as we're done recording, I'm like, I am
Speaker 1: fucked inside out.
Speaker 3: I'm so dumb about my food intake, Like I will
Speaker 3: let myself get angry hungry and then yeah and then
Speaker 3: just be like go on and then finally eat. And
Speaker 3: it's like I was holding my breath like that's how hungry.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, damn you know that point, like
Speaker 1: you were your stomach's empty, and like your breath smells
Speaker 1: bad because your stomach's so empty. My breath never smells bad. Well,
Speaker 1: ship between.
Speaker 2: Drinking sniff test when I'm about hungry, I probably should.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably responsible enough to probably eat when
Speaker 1: it's time to and we're just like just three more
Speaker 1: recordings and then I will have twenty pieces of bread
Speaker 1: or whatever. But anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Moons.
Speaker 1: Can I call you moon cat, moon cat cat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people call me moon, people call me moon cat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody calls you moons, So I'm just gonna cut.
Speaker 1: That head on.
Speaker 2: No one's ever called me moons.
Speaker 1: No, Like my mouth keeps wanting to do that, but
Speaker 1: that's a very I think that's like an American thing,
Speaker 1: like throwing that as on Dude Moons. What's up Moon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Moon's came through. Dude Moons came through in the pod.
Speaker 1: It was really fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, it's so great
Speaker 1: to have you here. Like like I was saying before,
Speaker 1: huge fans of your work, so it was really great
Speaker 1: to have you on to talk about this topic because
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, we just felt like, wait, we like this video,
Speaker 1: we love this creator. Let's have a conversation with them,
Speaker 1: and everyone wins. Everyone wins because I'm sure many our
Speaker 1: listeners are also big fans too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is definitely the guest that when I've told people.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh hell yeah really, oh damn, oh damn,
Speaker 1: Oh finally listen.
Speaker 3: Oh my gokay, wait on your podcast if you swear yes,
Speaker 3: swear down bro in the title and everything. Yeah, swear down, man,
Speaker 3: We're gonna have Moon cat all right. Yeah I've been
Speaker 3: burnt before. Yeah, I put it in the title that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. Look, Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and
Speaker 1: he bailed on us. We thought we were gonna have
Speaker 1: a great conversation with him about the week.
Speaker 3: But the wrong Gavin McGinnis, and we're sorry.
Speaker 2: I could just be AI. I could just be an
Speaker 2: AI version of myself.
Speaker 1: That's right, truly, Yeah, I mean for all we know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you showed us your hands. You had five digits.
Speaker 1: They didn't look all AI and stuff, so yeah, you
Speaker 1: passed the The.
Speaker 3: Writing on your shirt is complete gibberish, but yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: What's your what do you say?
Speaker 2: It says sleepy head until I'm dead?
Speaker 3: Oh hell, that's actually I guess it's that as I
Speaker 3: am a very sleepy boy.
Speaker 2: It has has a little kitten on it. Despite this
Speaker 2: brand called Dogcore. The owner of that brand, yeah, the
Speaker 2: owner of the brands just emailed me one day and
Speaker 2: was like, I love your videos. Let me send you
Speaker 2: a lot of free clothes. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not not affiliated with.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you've you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto
Speaker 3: influencers to most recently, evolutionary psychology. And we wanted to
Speaker 3: have you on to talk about your Manosphere video, which
Speaker 3: is a favorite of ours, and to really opened my
Speaker 3: eyes to a world that I wish I had never
Speaker 3: learned about, but I I think is important for our
Speaker 3: job covering the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: It was. It was very kind of enlightening.
Speaker 3: As to what bullshit is happening, but just below the surface.
Speaker 3: So we're going to talk to you about that, but
Speaker 3: first we do like to get to know our guests
Speaker 3: a little bit better by asking you, what is something
Speaker 3: either from your search history that is revealing about who
Speaker 3: you are or something that you've recently screencapped on your
Speaker 3: phone taken a screenshot of that is revealing about.
Speaker 1: Who you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I looked at my Google search history. The
Speaker 2: most recent thing was cheat coats for SIMS four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I've I suffer from migraines sometimes and I've had
Speaker 2: I'm better now, thankfully for this, but over the past
Speaker 2: couple of days I had an awful migraines. So I've
Speaker 2: just used it as an excuse to just play NonStop
Speaker 2: video games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I play the SIMS, I don't really I don't
Speaker 2: really play it in a normal way. What I do
Speaker 2: is I tend to like build extravagant like cottage homes
Speaker 2: and restaurants and things, and I just build and build
Speaker 2: and build and build. And then I'll like play the
Speaker 2: actual game where the Sims go around doing things for
Speaker 2: about five minutes, get born, and then I want to
Speaker 2: build something else. Yeah, I just want to like create basically. So,
Speaker 2: but the cheat code that I was looking at was
Speaker 2: like it was these cheekos to allow you to put
Speaker 2: an object wherever you want it to because the normal
Speaker 2: game just makes you put an object in a specific place, right,
Speaker 2: But with that cheat code, unless you put the object
Speaker 2: like wherever you want it. And it also like unlocks
Speaker 2: all of the items in the inventory, so you can
Speaker 2: just go wild create this, like create whatever you want.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was my last Google search.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when I first started playing the SIMS.
Speaker 1: I like was like a younger. I think I was,
Speaker 1: what maybe just in high school getting out of high school,
Speaker 1: and I like I wanted a cool apartment, but I
Speaker 1: could not afford one, so I built the mansion in
Speaker 1: the SIMS. And then I think, didn't you need like
Speaker 1: the money cheat back then to be able to have
Speaker 1: like the nice speakers? Yeah? Nice raising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now SIMS has now Simms has like this build mode,
Speaker 2: so like people like me can just go wild and
Speaker 2: like money is not a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh but back in.
Speaker 2: The day you had to use the risk cheat to
Speaker 2: be able to build a mansion, which I did when
Speaker 2: I was like seven years old as well.
Speaker 1: Like mother Load, I felt it was the other one
Speaker 1: too that you get the credits. Yeah. Yeah, and even
Speaker 1: with this sim city, I was doing some version of that. Yes,
Speaker 1: and listeners should know.
Speaker 3: I mean this is probably implied and obvious, but anytime
Speaker 3: Miles and I are referencing our like lives or your
Speaker 3: children or any of those things, we're referencing things that
Speaker 3: are happening inside the SIMS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: We don't have real significant others.
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, I'm not married in real life. That
Speaker 1: would be weird. It's strange.
Speaker 3: What's the what's the what's your favorite creation? The most
Speaker 3: saying thing you've ever built in SIMS?
Speaker 2: For I built like my perfect country like cottage house
Speaker 2: I have. I have a dream of like having I
Speaker 2: don't know, like a little little country home that's just
Speaker 2: like out in the middle of nowhere with a little
Speaker 2: street stream running next to it. Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: I That's what I built.
Speaker 1: Is really with the water wheel too, maybe, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The water wheel absolutely, Yeah, a little bridge as well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: little chicken coop as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is like for someone in England? What is
Speaker 1: the ideal place to have that kind of cottage? Like,
Speaker 1: where is just out in.
Speaker 2: The country somewhere, Like there's lots of There's there's so
Speaker 2: much country area in the UK. It's everywhere in the
Speaker 2: outskirts of leads. There's like loads of just country.
Speaker 1: Like where where is the Cotswolds?
Speaker 2: Where is the Cotswolds? To be honest, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that's just a place.
Speaker 1: I hear people in la Be like do you go
Speaker 1: to the Copswaks? I think it's in that.
Speaker 2: I think it's in Is it in Cornwall? I'm pretty sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see it's in southwest England. Uh oh, it's
Speaker 1: like north of Swindon. Oh cool. Anyway, good question, Miles.
Speaker 1: Now we're geo where I'm gonna show you a random photo.
Speaker 3: It's just going to be us asking you where different
Speaker 3: places are in English.
Speaker 1: It what's like the population of Oxford? I know all
Speaker 1: we're doing, Yeah, asking questions that don't matter at all.
Speaker 2: I'm awful at all geography things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, us two. So this is going to
Speaker 3: make a really good content because up. What is something
Speaker 3: that you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: Uh, British food. Okay, it's got a reputation of being
Speaker 2: very bad and that, like I kind of see why,
Speaker 2: but but I think the Sunday roast is overlooked. The
Speaker 2: British Sunday roast, and also fish and chips is awesome.
Speaker 2: It's just great. Going to a chippy is great. So
Speaker 2: I think I don't I don't know why British food
Speaker 2: has an overall bad name because those two dishes alone
Speaker 2: are great. And I'm vegan as well, so I have
Speaker 2: I have to have vegan versions of both of those things.
Speaker 1: But it's roast, then what replaces the roast beef in
Speaker 1: a vegan Sunday roast.
Speaker 2: Just like whatever I can find at the supermarket.
Speaker 1: But you have like mash and gravy and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they'll be like yeah, yeah, you can't
Speaker 2: get them. They're quite rare though, actually because they're quite
Speaker 2: hard to make without egg. But what I'll generally get
Speaker 2: is like vegan sausages or something like that, which is
Speaker 2: easy to find.
Speaker 1: Full English breakfast too, as I love, Yeah exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta know what to like, Like I love Cornish
Speaker 1: pasties every time I go to England, one of the
Speaker 1: first things as soon as I get off the train,
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's the fucking Cornish PASTI shop? Like just
Speaker 1: for my handheld food. Yeah, there's so many good things,
Speaker 1: but so.
Speaker 2: Many good bits of British food, So don't give it
Speaker 2: a bad name.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you when other countries think of American food?
Speaker 3: Just to turn that I'm uncomfortable with, must we're talking
Speaker 3: about America?
Speaker 1: Yeah, at all times.
Speaker 3: No, but because I was just trying to think, like,
Speaker 3: is it just like Hamburger?
Speaker 1: Is that it?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what I think of When I
Speaker 2: think of American food. I think fast food. I think McDonald's.
Speaker 3: Okay, accurate, So you've got us, you've got us.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I have gone to America a couple of times, but
Speaker 2: it was quite a while ago. But yeah, I found
Speaker 2: I found the portion sizes definitely to be a lot larger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're obscene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's what I kind of think of,
Speaker 2: and like burgers and chips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: So Sunday roast is essentially like a meat with like
Speaker 3: roast vegetables on the side, is essentially gravy.
Speaker 2: A lot of gravy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So it's like a small Thanksgiving dinner
Speaker 3: for Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that for for you and and the world.
Speaker 1: Do you want to have a roast Jack? What's up?
Speaker 1: Little Sunday roast? Shall we just to live like of
Speaker 1: some meat roast a turkey? Exactly once a year, but
Speaker 1: it's always pretty good. I feel like I've gotten good
Speaker 1: at that. And why make it such a special occasion?
Speaker 1: You know, get that brine, get my brine muscles, going
Speaker 1: moon cat? What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: People with PhDs? Turns out people people with doctor but
Speaker 2: you know, you know the Jordan Peterson's, the you know
Speaker 2: those types. I think people look up to people with
Speaker 2: PhDs and see them as sort of like bastions of
Speaker 2: truth in whatever they want to learn about, when people
Speaker 2: don't really realize that academics are very very sort of
Speaker 2: biased towards their own views on a subject and all
Speaker 2: their PhD does is allow them to sound more educated
Speaker 2: in explaining their original opinion. But that's not necessarily the truth.
Speaker 2: And I feel like a lot of my videos try
Speaker 2: and point this out quite a lot. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm sort of trying to reiterate this all the time
Speaker 2: in my videos, Like just because you have a PhD
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're right about this thing. It just means
Speaker 2: that you've learned how to how to like talk about
Speaker 2: your opinion in a more educated way, with bigger words
Speaker 2: and with studies, the backyard kind of thing.
Speaker 3: You're just the best at homework, that's yes, congratulations, toughed
Speaker 3: it out for a few more years in school to
Speaker 3: have three letters after your name.
Speaker 1: But like, I think there's also for a lot of
Speaker 1: people who think like that PhD is almost shorthand for
Speaker 1: them to be like, well, when I get to that opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't need to and I don't need to look
Speaker 1: at this anymore because that person's the expert, and I
Speaker 1: don't need to like investigate or analyze anything they're saying,
Speaker 1: because PhD rather exactly you know, having any just a
Speaker 1: modicum of critical analysis. But hey, now.
Speaker 3: Here on this show we actually usually say this about
Speaker 3: the other kind of doctors mds, because they had some
Speaker 3: crazy ideas during the pandemic. But we just listened to
Speaker 3: the PhDs and the people who claimed to have PhDs,
Speaker 3: and they generally steered the plane into the side of
Speaker 3: a mountain.
Speaker 1: It was really bad. So yeah, no, yeah, doctor Phil
Speaker 1: basically is.
Speaker 3: They really like that was a joke when I was younger,
Speaker 3: the idea of like PhDs insisting that they'd be called doctor,
Speaker 3: But it really came came back to bite everyone in
Speaker 3: the ass during the pandemic when it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a doctor of sociologic Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You should listen to me when I tell you not
Speaker 3: to get vaccinated. All right, Well that is a perfect
Speaker 3: transition into the subject of today's episode. We are going
Speaker 3: to take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, And I mean, where do you start?
Speaker 1: Where to start with the Manisphere? Where to start?
Speaker 3: I will say my first question about the Hemisphere was
Speaker 3: is why videos so long? All their videos seem to
Speaker 3: be at least three hours long?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? And that's the thing that like kept me.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's a strategy like it kept me out,
Speaker 3: But like for the people who have the worm in
Speaker 3: their brain that is like desperate for more Manosphere content,
Speaker 3: like it just it's a very selective group that makes
Speaker 3: it through. I guess not that selective looking at some
Speaker 3: of the view counts. But for people with such little
Speaker 3: rigor to what they're actually saying, they sure say it
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to watch a lot of very
Speaker 2: long videos.
Speaker 3: I've never been more impressed by, like the level of
Speaker 3: research and also more sorry for the person doing that
Speaker 3: and watching your.
Speaker 1: Mother it's like, yeah, same, like people who like monitor
Speaker 1: the alt right on the show. Yeah, like I know
Speaker 1: that because I'm like I'm in all these chat groups. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm in all these talm like, oh you poor motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but thank you, but thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean two time speed is a thing on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Yefully it probably you really need to get the nuance,
Speaker 3: don't you of what these guys are saying.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's.
Speaker 3: Really you know, it's all very tonal and subtle and nope, no,
Speaker 3: it turns out it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that all that struck me first is
Speaker 1: like when I think about the Manisphere, like I knew
Speaker 1: all these figures like you know, Andrew Tate and Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson and fresh and Fit and like Sneakle, all these
Speaker 1: like weirdos who you know are part of this this
Speaker 1: whole culture, but like I and I always knew that
Speaker 1: it was based on their misogynistic beliefs, but the thing
Speaker 1: that really came out on the video from me was
Speaker 1: like how much quasi science pseudo science they use to
Speaker 1: sort of buttress their arguments, like in this way that
Speaker 1: it's not simply it's like dude, Like, chicks, don't you
Speaker 1: want to be like a dude anymore? Like they have
Speaker 1: Like so no, there's this thing called hypergami man, and that,
Speaker 1: like it's really interesting how they use these sort of
Speaker 1: academic in odes to then display, you know, to present
Speaker 1: their completely like regressive thinking. Like can you just sort
Speaker 1: of give just everyone an idea of like those main
Speaker 1: sort of pseudoscientific arguments that are laid out to sort
Speaker 1: of justify this misogynistic worldview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology,
Speaker 2: which is why my most recent video decided to delve
Speaker 2: into that a bit more. But yeah, their main ones
Speaker 2: is like is hypergamy, where they sort of say that
Speaker 2: women are wired to want to date men that earn
Speaker 2: more than them, and there's like no way that that
Speaker 2: could be programmed out of for them, it's just innate
Speaker 2: and feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're
Speaker 2: not like that, but really they are like that, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and yes, and then'll also talk about how rape culture
Speaker 2: is a myth and they'll use like cherry picked studies
Speaker 2: to try and that as well.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And also they'll say that that even when it comes
Speaker 2: to domestic violence, they'll say that women are more violent
Speaker 2: towards men than men are towards women, and they'll use
Speaker 2: cherry picks studies to to supposedly prove that. And they'll
Speaker 2: also they'll say things like the gene of wage gap
Speaker 2: is a myth as well, and they'll cherry pick certain
Speaker 2: studies to try and prove that as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's always striking how these like sort
Speaker 1: of these backwards ways of thinking, they're always they always
Speaker 1: find a way to be like that thing that is
Speaker 1: reality is actually not true, and here's this way to
Speaker 1: kind of intellectually get yourself out of this way of
Speaker 1: thinking or believing that what is happening is actually not
Speaker 1: happening and it's actually like a myth. And there's always
Speaker 1: this I'm always amazed at the just like the lack
Speaker 1: of well, I'm sure we'll get to it. Just like
Speaker 1: just how like it feels like a lot of these
Speaker 1: ideologies they prop up when the like sort of like
Speaker 1: the logic of their beliefs hit a dead end, like
Speaker 1: like like being a man was supposed to be enough,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just I just exist, but things aren't.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not experiencing all these things I see
Speaker 1: on television or the things that I believed I am. So, now, well,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Oh, it's that everything else is
Speaker 1: fucked up. There's nothing I need to do to change.
Speaker 1: Let me now, like, let me stay sort of fixed
Speaker 1: in my belief and then begin to explain why everything
Speaker 1: else is not the issue or everything else is the issue,
Speaker 1: rather than like how I'm interacting with the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it basically like whenever before I investigated the manosphere,
Speaker 2: I investigated quite a few different like scams, like sort
Speaker 2: of property investment scams and multi level marketing schemes and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and I found that it definitely worked
Speaker 2: in much the same way as many scams, in the
Speaker 2: way that it would sort of target people and it
Speaker 2: would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost
Speaker 2: in life and just were looking for, you know, like
Speaker 2: something else to blame it on and we're offering a
Speaker 2: way out of that via paying who is ever whoever
Speaker 2: this influencer was for a course or whatever. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: the ministery were definitely real in men who sort of
Speaker 2: feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And
Speaker 2: I guess in the past, your purpose would have been
Speaker 2: more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my
Speaker 2: purpose is to provide for a woman and for children,
Speaker 2: Whereas it's not that easy anymore, just to have a
Speaker 2: purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of men they do feel
Speaker 2: a bit lost in life. And it's not you know,
Speaker 2: because of their gender. It's probably because of like capitalism,
Speaker 2: but they want to but they're looking to the pastern
Speaker 2: and they're thinking, well, in the past, I would have
Speaker 2: had this purpose, you know, to be a man, and
Speaker 2: I would have been given a wife, you know, by someone,
Speaker 2: and that would have been me and that would have
Speaker 2: been my life. But now I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: It's everybody else's fault kind of thing, right.
Speaker 1: I preferred middle stage capitalism, Yeah, exactly, that's when things
Speaker 1: were great.
Speaker 3: Their their version of the past is also a wildly
Speaker 3: inaccurate version of what that time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they liked it. They like to say that
Speaker 2: women were happy in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: They absolutely were were happy.
Speaker 2: They were all on drugs. Housewives were on drugs, right, yeah, lots.
Speaker 1: Of the time. Yeah, we were just talking recent but
Speaker 1: like you know, the Stepford Wives being a commentary on
Speaker 1: that era of like just being so medicated that it
Speaker 1: was completely like not like dulling the senses of like
Speaker 1: a generation of women. But yeah, but now it's actually
Speaker 1: feminism that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing
Speaker 1: with the fallout of that. Dude. Yeah, yeah, they their
Speaker 1: feminist shit.
Speaker 3: In fact, the actual like details of the people that
Speaker 3: we meet in the video, like the fresh and Fit,
Speaker 3: well I was not familiar. Is that the name of
Speaker 3: the show where they just like get women drunk and
Speaker 3: then explain women to women?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't let them talk back, and if they do
Speaker 2: try and talk about they just kick them out of
Speaker 2: the podcast, supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas.
Speaker 3: Right, It's amazing, Like I've never seen someone like people
Speaker 3: be more infuriating to somebody else, like just try like
Speaker 3: the things that they're saying about women, like the most dismissive,
Speaker 3: diminishing things. And then if in the off chance, like
Speaker 3: one episode out of many, like the women can't take
Speaker 3: it anymore and get angry, then the men are like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're just sensitive while being the most thin skinned creatures
Speaker 3: so emotional, get so emotional or anyone just like talking
Speaker 3: back to them.
Speaker 1: It's it's so wild you put it out how like
Speaker 1: obviously you know people say this so much, especially in
Speaker 1: the US, like are you just in your feelings? Just
Speaker 1: in your feelings now? And then when they get caught out,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I'm having a fact response, an emotional response,
Speaker 1: having a fact based response like.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I forgot about that quote. That was hilarious.
Speaker 1: The fact response is like, holy shit, man, the amount
Speaker 1: of mental gymnastics they got to do on that cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's wild. It's truly wild. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's why in my most recent video, I just dedicated
Speaker 2: a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings
Speaker 2: and how no one's only going off facts, absolutely, no
Speaker 2: one is. Every everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions. You can't escape them because if you
Speaker 2: if you did escape your emotions, then your brain wouldn't work,
Speaker 2: it would it would just short circuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is such a fear of feelings, clearly from
Speaker 1: all of these men. Yeah what I mean, which is
Speaker 1: why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather
Speaker 1: than like, I'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy. Yeah, no, dude,
Speaker 1: the facts are it's fucking hypergamy, man, and fucking eighty
Speaker 1: percent of the win. There's only twenty percent of the
Speaker 1: women available to the other eighty percent of men that
Speaker 1: are out there, because they're all going for the top
Speaker 1: twenty percent. So that's like we're already dealing. So the
Speaker 1: way they have to set all of this shit up,
Speaker 1: it's really it's really fucking I mean, it makes sense
Speaker 1: because right, we're so averse to picking apart our egos
Speaker 1: or things like that, or bringing any self awareness to
Speaker 1: that that this is such a convenient way to avoid
Speaker 1: any kind of introspection or self critique because those are
Speaker 1: actual those are those things are actually by default like
Speaker 1: impossible within the manosphere. Like I don't see many people
Speaker 1: being like, man, you gotta sit down, take an inventory
Speaker 1: of kind of what you're feeling, maybe how things from
Speaker 1: your past may relate to this now. It's always just like, no,
Speaker 1: let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me,
Speaker 1: because I'm fine, but the world has gone fucking mad
Speaker 1: and now I just need to learn how to navigate
Speaker 1: that with my macho shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which kind of goes against the whole right
Speaker 2: wing perspective of individualism in a way. Doesn't it just
Speaker 2: like blaming everything around you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are facts and they have nothing to do
Speaker 3: with my feelings. Okay, So I had never heard of
Speaker 3: Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered.
Speaker 3: I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at first point.
Speaker 3: He's a friend, and I think you were unfaird No.
Speaker 3: He like the degree to which he has crossed over
Speaker 3: is kind of staggering when you when you look at
Speaker 3: like what he's saying, and I mean hYP hypergamy is
Speaker 3: that we're calling what he's calling it. Women are like
Speaker 3: these domesticated animals who just like can't help but like
Speaker 3: respond to these instincts that make them find you repulse.
Speaker 3: It's like the psychological shit they're all going through, like
Speaker 3: so many of the videos. I think you said at
Speaker 3: one point come down to how ugly do women find me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're obsessed with like hierarchies, though they really want
Speaker 2: to put themselves on this hierarchy of how attractive they
Speaker 2: think they are to every woman, Like every woman is
Speaker 2: looking at a man and thinking, so, no, ten, they're not.
Speaker 2: They're They're extremely subjective in how they find a man,
Speaker 2: how attractive they find a man to be right Whereas
Speaker 2: But but they're looking at women and thinking five, six
Speaker 2: of an eight, nine, ten or whatever, and they think
Speaker 2: that women are looking at men in the same way.
Speaker 2: They're absolutely not. Women all have different tastes and most
Speaker 2: men do as well, have all different tastes. But they
Speaker 2: think that everybody thinks that the way they do in
Speaker 2: this very sort of misogynistic way.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's why haired chads and some women like
Speaker 3: dark haired chads. And that's it exactly. Those are the
Speaker 3: two tastes that you need a jaw bone that looks
Speaker 3: like an upside down football helmet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the perfect mandibular angle is what all women are
Speaker 2: looking for us.
Speaker 1: But what do you like?
Speaker 3: Who would you say is the most kind of dangerous
Speaker 3: of these people who you've who you've.
Speaker 2: Encountered the most dangerous person in the manisphere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, they are going to release a
Speaker 3: video after they're saying with that I'm the most dangerous person.
Speaker 2: I would say probably Jordan Peterson because he's got the
Speaker 2: widest reach. He's got that whole PhD, I know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about thing going on. They all look up
Speaker 2: to him. Like when I made my manusphere video, so
Speaker 2: many people in the comments were like, Jordan Peterson isn't
Speaker 2: a part of the manusphere. He absolutely is. He's like
Speaker 2: the king of the Manisphere. So yeah, i'd probably say
Speaker 2: him just because he's got the most reach, in the.
Speaker 1: Most influence, and he's being embraced by political figures. I
Speaker 1: think that's what also makes it especially dangerous. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew Tate is obviously like a scumbag and
Speaker 1: Viole and has is like a danger to society, But
Speaker 1: like the level to which Jordan Peterson has sort of
Speaker 1: been you know, nodded to, or like his ideas end
Speaker 1: up kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of poltical speech and things like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: definitely see that because it's again it's that PhD, that
Speaker 1: sort of takes it from Yeah, this isn't a guy
Speaker 1: wearing a fuzzy hat and a feather boa and giant sunglasses.
Speaker 1: This is a fucking PhD. Okay, they're saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: but the fact that the PhD is saying, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give that some more weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrew Tate is also dangerous, but he's dangerous in
Speaker 2: a much different way. But like he he only really
Speaker 2: I think most of the guys sort of into Manisphere
Speaker 2: ideas kind of look at Andrew Tait and think he's
Speaker 2: a bit of an idiot. So I think his I
Speaker 2: think his reaches is a lot. It's a lot less
Speaker 2: widespread than Jordan Peterson's, and I think, like, especially since
Speaker 2: the whole trafficking allegations, I think he Yeah, he will
Speaker 2: say the opposite publicly. He will say that it's only
Speaker 2: improved his reach, but I think it has actually diminished
Speaker 2: diminished his reach a little bit because there are there
Speaker 2: are actually some guys in the Manisphere who are like,
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't go so far as to traffic
Speaker 2: women actually, so maybe he is so great jokes.
Speaker 1: About it, but I will engage in the traffic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a bridge too. Far, I will make people believe
Speaker 1: that I'm saying it not as a you know, winkie way,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he's not the only person who has like
Speaker 3: bragged about committing assaults and you know, sexual violence in
Speaker 3: in this world like that. That was kind of shocking
Speaker 3: to me how many of these guys are actually saying
Speaker 3: that they're doing horrifying things like in the videos, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's how you kind of see like the
Speaker 1: evolution of it starts off with a like keep your
Speaker 1: room clean if you want to track a woman, and
Speaker 1: then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware, it's fake,
Speaker 1: it's nonsense, and it gets more and more you know, violent,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's really what. The thing that really struck
Speaker 1: me too is this kind of like it's so weird
Speaker 1: how these Manisphere figures who are like selling a course
Speaker 1: or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset, of
Speaker 1: this mindset because all of their materials they use to
Speaker 1: sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in
Speaker 1: some nineties movie about being the coolest guy ever. And
Speaker 1: you put this out in your video about the seduction
Speaker 1: devil and his course, and like what he's prompt like,
Speaker 1: this is what he's promising people. Okay, And I thought
Speaker 1: this is really eye opening from your video and this
Speaker 1: is from a Manisphere course. It's like ninety seven bucks
Speaker 1: or some shit. And it says in just one week
Speaker 1: across the court, it wasn't in seven In just one week.
Speaker 1: After getting inside, you'll find yourself quote skipping the line
Speaker 1: at bars and clubs, high fiving the bouncers and befriending
Speaker 1: the staff, okay, attracting nines and tens effortlessly without saying
Speaker 1: a word word holy shit, Entering a cafe with your
Speaker 1: new girl, receiving a warm welcome, and discovering that your
Speaker 1: regular has already been prepared.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, hey Jack, the regular, all right, I
Speaker 3: already had it here for you.
Speaker 1: Whoa baller? Who's that another one on your arm? All right?
Speaker 3: That can't be my man?
Speaker 1: Hey, hi five. This fucking world doesn't even exist, not
Speaker 1: even for people who they would even think are that cool.
Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting to see how this like whatever,
Speaker 1: their lack of meaningful social interactions or what they believe
Speaker 1: they want to be, has created this like version of
Speaker 1: what they think is truly like. What like is what
Speaker 1: they're just sort of telling on themselves. It's like, so
Speaker 1: your fantasy is to walk into a cafe with your
Speaker 1: new girl and someone's like your regular, your ice, your
Speaker 1: milk with ice is ready? Okay, you drink milk? Yeah,
Speaker 1: out of I drink half and half with some little
Speaker 1: bit of ice on the rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It did kind of remind me of like how
Speaker 2: the crypto scams work in a way. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember from my crypto video, the whole Crypto
Speaker 2: land where they were like, oh you could, you could
Speaker 2: move to this special island where everybody just trades with
Speaker 2: cryptocurrency and and we have communal working spaces and everybody's
Speaker 2: going to have a lambow, and but the whole thing
Speaker 2: was just so it was just, yeah, an absolute fantasy
Speaker 2: based on crypto. It's not realistic at all.
Speaker 3: But it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is
Speaker 3: being beloved by service andes like that they like walk
Speaker 3: in and like everyone at Starbucks is like Yay's like
Speaker 3: it's just such an interesting like snapshot of like just dead,
Speaker 3: soulless and end stage capitalism where they're like and then
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me like
Speaker 3: I'm just there to spend money. They're gonna really love
Speaker 3: me and they're the bouncer is gonna be like rules
Speaker 3: don't apply to you because.
Speaker 1: They no smoking in here. Oh wait, it's you, hey man,
Speaker 1: spark up, dude, you're the best. It's like, what were
Speaker 1: you not hearing enough in your life that created this version.
Speaker 1: But again, I think it says a lot because a
Speaker 1: lot of people they are lacking this, so they do
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I would love nothing more
Speaker 1: than to passively attract a partner without having to do
Speaker 1: any work or any effort, or to have the fear
Speaker 1: of failure of being rejected. I'd rather I feel like
Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm such a fucking baller
Speaker 1: that my aura is enough to bring all the boys
Speaker 1: or women or whoever non bindary people to the yard.
Speaker 1: But I feeling for this it's mostly head dudes looking
Speaker 1: for women. But like, you know, we talk a lot
Speaker 1: about deaths of despair, you know, and how they're rising,
Speaker 1: especially here in the United States, and it's clear that
Speaker 1: like America in this late stage capitalism era we're in
Speaker 1: is like unraveling, and there's like a cruel irony that
Speaker 1: like all of this manisphere shit is like almost like this,
Speaker 1: it's like a capitalist response to the chaos that has
Speaker 1: been sown by capitalism. It's like, rather than in investigating
Speaker 1: any of that, it's like, let me sell you something
Speaker 1: that is absolute nonsense that will actually send you into
Speaker 1: a darker hole. Like you know, if these people were
Speaker 1: interested in making things better, there would certainly be some
Speaker 1: more again introspection analysis of like the forces that are
Speaker 1: shaping the world in which they live. But it's like,
Speaker 1: the problem isn't capitalism. It's that women are super vicial
Speaker 1: and demanding too much. It's not capitalism, it's immigrants. How
Speaker 1: do you sort of see the relationship between the manisphere
Speaker 1: and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that is like, what,
Speaker 1: what's a solution here? It's because there's really no solution.
Speaker 1: It's more like the world's fucked up. This is how
Speaker 1: you be more fucked up to the world.
Speaker 2: M yeah, it's I don't I honestly like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the solution is other than trying to sort
Speaker 2: of give men a different sort of outlet, because there
Speaker 2: definitely is like a problem. I think specifically since the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I think everyone, like not just men, are feeling a
Speaker 2: lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for
Speaker 2: solutions to that, and specifically with the manisphere. This sort
Speaker 2: of gateway drug is when you look up videos on
Speaker 2: how to talk to women to try and you know,
Speaker 2: pick them up or whatever they get, and like when
Speaker 2: you click on one of them, I mean that the
Speaker 2: algorithm will just take you further and further and further
Speaker 2: into the manisphere and until you eventually believe that women
Speaker 2: aren't actually sentient beings at all. They're just sort of
Speaker 2: programmed to act a certain way. And you'll get to
Speaker 2: the pick up artists who will like literally give you
Speaker 2: a flow chart and they'll say like it's like a
Speaker 2: dialogue tree that you can have with a woman, and
Speaker 2: they'll be like, if you say this, this and this
Speaker 2: and this, then you'll definitely get her in bed kind
Speaker 2: of thing. And it is. It's selling a very sort
Speaker 2: of simple, simple solution to this very complex problem of loneliness,
Speaker 2: which I think is a genuine problem. And I think
Speaker 2: that's exacerbated by dating apps because everybody relies on dating
Speaker 2: apps nowadays. And I do sympathize with men on dating
Speaker 2: apps because men have a much worse time on dating
Speaker 2: apps than women do, although women also do have a
Speaker 2: bad time, and that's why they're that's why they're leaving
Speaker 2: the apps, which which leaves more men on the apps
Speaker 2: than women, and that's why men will swipe right more
Speaker 2: on every women that they see and women will swipe
Speaker 2: left more because they're expecting. Women are expecting a match
Speaker 2: with anyone that they swipe right on right, so that
Speaker 2: will make that will cause women to be more picky,
Speaker 2: and men are increasingly not expecting a match with whoever
Speaker 2: they swipe right on, so that will cause them to
Speaker 2: be less picky. And that just happens more and more
Speaker 2: and more, and this feedback loop just happens even more
Speaker 2: increasingly all the time, until you get like a guy
Speaker 2: with barely any matches and a woman with too many
Speaker 2: matches and she doesn't know who to go on a
Speaker 2: date with, so like both genders are having a really
Speaker 2: awful time. But the mistake that the Manisphere makes, and
Speaker 2: the sort of that's the excuse that they use to
Speaker 2: bring a lot of people in, is to say that
Speaker 2: this is like real life now because of feminism. But
Speaker 2: they've got no they've got no proof of that other
Speaker 2: than dating apps. But dating apps work that way for
Speaker 2: a reason because it's not real life because women have
Speaker 2: all left. But women haven't left real life. Women still
Speaker 2: go into like bars and things, and you can still
Speaker 2: like women are still interested in making friend groups, and
Speaker 2: so are men. And I think we need to sort
Speaker 2: of try and get back to that sort of real
Speaker 2: life thing of mingling in friend groups and you know,
Speaker 2: making friendships that might turn into something else based on that,
Speaker 2: whereas I think nowadays we sort of rely on dating
Speaker 2: apps so much that a lot of men in the
Speaker 2: manosphere just like think that that's real life and that's.
Speaker 1: Right based on the behaviors that they see or how
Speaker 1: things are being sordid.
Speaker 3: Ye, a lot of it seems to be interhuman relations
Speaker 3: that are mediated by capitalists. Yeah, the dating apps profiles
Speaker 3: or the person who fantasizes about everybody in the bar
Speaker 3: who works at the bar liking them, and it just
Speaker 3: feels like everyone's turned into a product, Like this is
Speaker 3: all part of this weird thing where we're trying to
Speaker 3: apply the rules of capitalism, like late stage hypercapitalism to
Speaker 3: interactions and then we're like, what happened why is everybody.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, it's like it's the same way that we
Speaker 2: ruined sort of like restaurants with all of these food
Speaker 2: delivery apps, and it's the same way that we ruined
Speaker 2: all of these taxi companies with Uber. It is because
Speaker 2: they try to like lays a fair capitalism all of
Speaker 2: these all of these companies and all of these industries,
Speaker 2: and they try to completely libertarianize them all. And they've
Speaker 2: done the same with dating as well. And they've and
Speaker 2: then they've sort of realized that, oh, this is this
Speaker 2: isn't actually good for people.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Like doing it like this.
Speaker 3: Let's take one more break and we'll come back and
Speaker 3: finish out talking about this.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, man, We're back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say I was so I had
Speaker 1: at my like loneliest I Remember, I had graduated college,
Speaker 1: the recession happened, I had gone through like a bad breakup.
Speaker 1: I was like completely didn't know what to make sense
Speaker 1: of my life because the everything I had been told
Speaker 1: about going to university, getting a degree that would land
Speaker 1: me a job that would create all this like life
Speaker 1: momentum was not happening, and my dating prospects were just
Speaker 1: like not great because I was just emotionally in a
Speaker 1: terrible place. And I remember getting into pickup artist shit
Speaker 1: because I was like, maybe it's that I don't know
Speaker 1: how to actually like use the fucking game, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I read the game by Neil Strauss, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck, man, this is fucking wild, Like they
Speaker 1: they just they just bounced like location to location and
Speaker 1: then suddenly like you figured out a way to achieve
Speaker 1: like sex or something like that, and so most of
Speaker 1: it too us. I realized, like it was just like
Speaker 1: even reading that stuff like this doesn't fucking make sense
Speaker 1: to me. But what did was that like I was
Speaker 1: really sad, you know, I had a deep seated fear
Speaker 1: of rejection and I wasn't really able to like come
Speaker 1: to grips with that. And the second I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I think I need to go to therapy, Like I
Speaker 1: think I need to actually work on myself, I can
Speaker 1: like it was sort of the only way for me
Speaker 1: to really see through that, because again, shit like pick
Speaker 1: up artistry or whatever offers you this really bizarre shortcut
Speaker 1: to not be like, oh yeah, dude, it's not that
Speaker 1: I'm fucking terribly fucking depressed and I haven't actually sorted
Speaker 1: out who I am as a person. Is that I
Speaker 1: just need to figure out like what the what the
Speaker 1: different ways to like game someone is And and I
Speaker 1: think again, like this is why it's always interesting to
Speaker 1: see that, like the solution for what so many people
Speaker 1: are experiencing is that little bit of being able to
Speaker 1: sort of take care of yourself in a way that
Speaker 1: is actually is nourishing for like your soul, rather than
Speaker 1: kind of listening to some dude preached the like sort
Speaker 1: of silver bullet answer. So I always find it really interesting,
Speaker 1: Like whenever I see this, I'm like, man, just look inward,
Speaker 1: Just fucking look inward. So many things could be answered
Speaker 1: if you figure out what those what that dark that
Speaker 1: void is within yourself and how to address that, because
Speaker 1: if you fill it with this shit, it's just going
Speaker 1: to have this like you know, compounding effect where you
Speaker 1: end up on like these like really violent like insuls
Speaker 1: like groups and like picking up these other really terrible
Speaker 1: beliefs that only gonna take you deeper and deeper. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my brush. That was my brush with pick
Speaker 1: up artistry. It was me at my lowest and loneliest
Speaker 1: and completely lacking any feelings of self worth. You still
Speaker 1: have the Jameric Quie hat. I don't call it Jamiqui, dude,
Speaker 1: it's cat in the hat, but pimp cat in the hat. Bro,
Speaker 1: it ain't Jamiroqui. It's just washed.
Speaker 2: Okay. But yeah, like when you're at the like sort
Speaker 2: of low, at the low, I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of content in the manisphere really really sort of allows
Speaker 2: people to self loathe and that can feel kind of
Speaker 2: weirdly comforting, like at that level, like just just to
Speaker 2: sort of say, oh, I'm I'm like I'm a one
Speaker 2: on the attractive scale. That means I will never ever
Speaker 2: get a woman kind of thing. And to be sort
Speaker 2: of nihilistic in that way, I think is in a
Speaker 2: weird way, is kind of comforting to some to some
Speaker 2: people who end up in that Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because you're like giving it ald what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: Bring someone back and introduce them to my mom. I'm
Speaker 1: twenty two years old, and then I'm like this is there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one too. I should have a mansion and
Speaker 1: a lamplow by now. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that's like that's the ship that you're fed, right,
Speaker 1: You're socialized to be like xyz, then you get a degreemation.
Speaker 1: You should have at least a suburban you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But yeah, and you have to and it
Speaker 1: takes a second to like reconcile the how you've been
Speaker 1: socialized with the reality is and like give yourself a
Speaker 1: little bit of grace to be like, yeah, yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: is different. Actually it's not a bad thing. But I
Speaker 1: always treated that as to be like I can't I
Speaker 1: can't go out there living at home, like what I
Speaker 1: am going to tell someone? And then you see it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: am I like a low value male? So I gotta
Speaker 1: step mic. But again it's easy to see how that turned,
Speaker 1: like the domino effect can begin for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to one of my homegirls who's like,
Speaker 1: what are you What are you talking about right now?
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, is that?
Speaker 3: Like I just like the thing you have to understand
Speaker 3: about me is I'm a low value male like that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are like little catch there are a bunch of
Speaker 3: things in your Maniscer video that it's like, oh right,
Speaker 3: anytime someone's talking like putting some of the attractiveness on
Speaker 3: a numerical scale, or like talking about differences between men
Speaker 3: and women that are like intractable and like species wide
Speaker 3: evolutionary psychology, like there are all these things that it's
Speaker 3: like uh huh, like this this head's nowhere.
Speaker 1: Good, right, because you're like, I will not be chosen.
Speaker 1: That's hardwired into us. Because a woman is looking for
Speaker 1: a male that will provide for them. I cannot provide
Speaker 1: for them. I live in my mom's yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you're immediately.
Speaker 2: But if you pay for their course, you can learn
Speaker 2: how to provide, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I wish. I wish that was one of
Speaker 1: those slugs where it's like, effortlessly bring nines and tens
Speaker 1: home and meet and have them meet your mom as
Speaker 1: you engage in consensual sex in your childhood bedroom. It's
Speaker 1: like I don't think, yeah, I know that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but you can't. I mean.
Speaker 3: The last thing I just wanted to mention is that
Speaker 3: there seems to be a blindness in the mainstream media, Like,
Speaker 3: just as it relates to the zeitgeist, when there is
Speaker 3: an element of this type of misogyny in you know,
Speaker 3: a mass shooter or a you know, a terror attack,
Speaker 3: the media will pick up a thread of obviously if
Speaker 3: Islam is a motivating factor or white supremacy, even they'll
Speaker 3: be willing to like kind of trace that. They will
Speaker 3: make up some left wing at a lot of the time,
Speaker 3: like it was anti fun, but they really drop the
Speaker 3: misogyny like pretty quickly. Like you you're pointing out, like
Speaker 3: the massacre in christ Church was I had processed that
Speaker 3: as mainly a white supremacist attack, but as you point out,
Speaker 3: his manifesto opens with, you know, talking about birth rates
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of the ideas that you
Speaker 3: see in these sorts of videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it definitely all all crosses crosses like crosses over
Speaker 2: with each other, all of it does. Yeah, because like
Speaker 2: if you if you start believing in one of these
Speaker 2: ideal ideologies, you'll find that a lot of the same
Speaker 2: influences will start We'll talk about these other issues as well.
Speaker 2: And also if you start thinking about the reasons behind
Speaker 2: why all of these things are happening, you'll find that
Speaker 2: the only sort of logical narrative you can you can
Speaker 2: come to is that it all sort of boils down
Speaker 2: to anti Semitism basically, is what it all boils down
Speaker 2: to at the end. Of the day, and you if
Speaker 2: you're not blaming something on capitalism, if you if you
Speaker 2: follow the logic of of misogyny or with racism, or
Speaker 2: with or with any of that, it's it's a very convoluted,
Speaker 2: unrealistic conspiracy theory that they will that they will use.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's like this, it's like this
Speaker 2: kind of unwillingness to blame capitalism for anything that that
Speaker 2: leads people to go down that path instead. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like an unwillingness to maybe admit
Speaker 2: that you were wrong because your logic doesn't make any
Speaker 2: narrative sense that so you had to end up with
Speaker 2: anti semitism. But yeah, it's it's it's all under that base,
Speaker 2: like he's hold under that umbrella.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lack of critique. Really it's like again,
Speaker 1: it's like falling into these it's just because you're looking
Speaker 1: for like sort of like a psycho emotional like shelter
Speaker 1: for your terrible beliefs. It's like, I don't hate women.
Speaker 1: It's actually that I'm just a man navigating a world
Speaker 1: filled with hypergamy. The trust me, they're the problem. I
Speaker 1: don't hate women. They hate themselves because of feminism. It's like,
Speaker 1: do I I don't hate immigrants. It's actually, I'm living
Speaker 1: in a world where we're dealing with serious issues around
Speaker 1: falling birth rates in the future of democracy, if you know,
Speaker 1: immigrants are allowed to come in and completely reshape the electorate.
Speaker 1: It's like there's always going to be a place for
Speaker 1: people to learn why their shit beliefs are justified. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so intoxicating, because again it's like, look, man,
Speaker 1: welcome to the manisphere. The last place we're going to
Speaker 1: ask you to do some like digging into yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: if anything, we're gonna we're going to excavate the shit
Speaker 1: outside completely nor everything that's happening internally. It's that And
Speaker 1: that's the sort of guarantee we can offer you with
Speaker 1: this ideology, is that you won't have to look into
Speaker 1: your scary head and think about shit like that, because
Speaker 1: trust me, it's it's it's everything else that's yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's and I can see why if you're not
Speaker 1: fully you know, developed like it, and as an adult
Speaker 1: or whatever, how easily it is to like hoop into
Speaker 1: that and why you see, like younger people younger and
Speaker 1: younger people. It's like, you know, someone in their mid
Speaker 1: twenties who's like tried to date, you can kind of
Speaker 1: see like sort of the momentum that takes them there.
Speaker 1: But like when teenagers are like already getting there, it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's that's right.
Speaker 2: I feel like you young people are definitely susceptible to
Speaker 2: that kind of like edgy humor as well, where it's
Speaker 2: sort of it's like making jokes about Nazis and things
Speaker 2: that you know your parents wouldn't make because that's too
Speaker 2: far out. But I think that kind of sort of
Speaker 2: edgy in quotation marks humor sort of works well on
Speaker 2: those young people because I think it's you know, naughty,
Speaker 2: so that in that way it sort of brings in
Speaker 2: the really young people because they think that they're being
Speaker 2: edgy and cool and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I really you know, the right
Speaker 3: is currently a sendant in like European politics and in
Speaker 3: US politics. It continues to be much more popular than
Speaker 3: anybody would have thought heading into the year twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: But the people who like made the call on like
Speaker 3: we need someone like Trump, like Steve Bannon. The thing
Speaker 3: that the tea leaves that he was reading was like
Speaker 3: gamer game, And it feels like this is a powerful
Speaker 3: like engine of anger and hatred that is powering a
Speaker 3: lot of what is going on and also being not ignored.
Speaker 3: But I feel like the mainstream media like is just
Speaker 3: more willing to leave it, you know, and just like
Speaker 3: not not necessarily take it as seriously as some of
Speaker 3: the other threads. Right, So yeah, that's why I really
Speaker 3: I really appreciated your video and but the ways that
Speaker 3: you were able to kind of kind of bring that
Speaker 3: out in just a lot of these trends that we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, I do feel like he gets ignored
Speaker 2: in the mainstream media. I mean I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2: Maybe because they don't want to, maybe because they see
Speaker 2: it as a sort of passing fad. Maybe I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but it's it's definitely had a lot of staying power,
Speaker 2: at least like I think for the last few years,
Speaker 2: it's definitely had a lot of staying power.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think, yeah, I mean again, it's
Speaker 1: like we can't count on corporate media to begin any
Speaker 1: kind of critique on capitalism like that, to say, like
Speaker 1: is this all connected? Because I'm sure like for young
Speaker 1: men who are like, what the fuck, I don't have
Speaker 1: a job. I'm not a baller. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it because you're like, why is your economy?
Speaker 1: Why is the economy depressed in a way that you
Speaker 1: think it shouldn't be? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other factors that play into
Speaker 1: why you don't have Lambeau. It's not because you're not
Speaker 1: balling enough. It's because, I mean, if the Lambeau or not,
Speaker 1: you don't have a Honda accord because all of the
Speaker 1: wealth is being transferred up to people and you're more
Speaker 1: people are competing for finite resource, not hypergamy. It's every people.
Speaker 1: More people are are competing for less and less available resources,
Speaker 1: and that's that's having an effect on everything.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is. It's just like sort of that loop of
Speaker 1: being like the sort of people who are being affected
Speaker 1: by capitalism. There's a way for an ideology to creep in,
Speaker 1: to explain a way it's like, well, don't don't start
Speaker 1: looking into that. I know this thing has messed you up,
Speaker 1: but I promise you it's not It's not that system.
Speaker 1: It's not the system. It's this other thing. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think is really insidious about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because it really does prevent like sort of a larger
Speaker 1: scale analysis or like awareness around it. It just allows
Speaker 1: us to kind of kick the can down the road,
Speaker 1: and people treat this group of being like they're just
Speaker 1: a bunch of weird guys. I don't know, but it's.
Speaker 2: Hard to explain though as well, isn't it Like financial
Speaker 2: competency I think is a massive reason for this. I
Speaker 2: don't think people realize how how the economic system that
Speaker 2: we live under is actually built to enrich the richest
Speaker 2: and keep the poor poor by way of you know,
Speaker 2: paying interest on loans that they that they take out
Speaker 2: and you don't own anything anymore. It's it's all a
Speaker 2: monthly payment and it's but that's what we're born into
Speaker 2: when we think that that's normal, when actually it's not
Speaker 2: how things used to be at all. But like that,
Speaker 2: but like millennials and Gen zs and genalpha's, they'll think
Speaker 2: that that's that's just the way things work, and so
Speaker 2: why why don't I have all of Why don't I
Speaker 2: have a house like my parents did at my age?
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's because of the economic system.
Speaker 2: But it's really difficult to explain why because economics works
Speaker 2: in such intrinsic, like intricate ways. So yeah, it's like,
Speaker 2: how do you explain that to people right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's much easier to just say it's not
Speaker 1: my fault, it's everyone else's fault. And yeah, then the
Speaker 1: merry ground keeps going around and round. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: We really appreciate you coming on, and we really appreciate
Speaker 3: all the amazing videos that you're making and the great
Speaker 3: music as well. Where can people find you, follow you,
Speaker 3: hear you other good stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash Mooncat. That's
Speaker 2: where you'll find my videos, which is my main thing.
Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter and Instagram at Mooncat Music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, And is there a work of media that
Speaker 3: you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: Since I've had a micro In the past couple of days,
Speaker 2: I've been absolutely binge watching Peep Show from season one
Speaker 2: and I actually realized I was looking it up online
Speaker 2: and I and I realized that America has actually tried
Speaker 2: to do a remake of Peep Show five times and
Speaker 2: failed every time.
Speaker 1: What can't be? Yeah, Nah, we got our own Mitchell
Speaker 1: and Web that are killing it. It's Krasinski and fucking Pratt.
Speaker 1: Fuck comedian Web.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I watched the I watched the first someone
Speaker 2: found the initial first pilot of the first attempted the
Speaker 2: American remake, and it had that guy from the Office
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: What's it the main guy, Steve Correll?
Speaker 2: No, the other guy, the Steve Carell. No. Oh, maybe
Speaker 2: it's not from the Office. No, no, no, the guy
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of it is from The Big Bang. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy who dates Penny whatever his name is.
Speaker 1: Then there was Jesse Armstrong.
Speaker 2: Wow is that what his name is?
Speaker 3: They just had greenlit a new one there set and
Speaker 3: it says fifth times the charm for American peep show.
Speaker 1: So Jesse Armstrong from Succession is going to take a
Speaker 1: stab at it. Well he would be the first. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like Dune, right, I mean, I guess a bunch
Speaker 1: of people failed, but then I guess they kind of
Speaker 1: figured it out eventually, So maybe fifth time is the charm.
Speaker 3: Oh, Jesse Armstrong created people in the first place.
Speaker 1: What do you know? There? You go, pro Victor coming
Speaker 1: in with the safe But is that the thing it
Speaker 1: doesn't translate? I don't know. I mean the American Office
Speaker 1: surely did, but will will Peepshow?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love the American Office. That definitely worked. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe there's something specific about Peep Show
Speaker 2: that doesn't work with American humor. I'm not sure, right,
Speaker 2: it's weird, mindy caring.
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out.
Speaker 3: Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia
Speaker 3: you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Find me Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray, Find Jack
Speaker 1: and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack om
Speaker 1: at Lucy. You can find me talking ninety day Fiance
Speaker 1: on four twenty Day Fiance with Sofia Alexandra a tweet.
Speaker 1: I don't really like your tweet. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I started watching that ren Fair show on that Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucking wild. It's so weird, like it's shot it's
Speaker 1: a documentary, but it's shot cinematically. But all of these
Speaker 1: people are so into the Renfair world that it has
Speaker 1: this like really sort of like hyper realistic feel to
Speaker 1: it because they're truly saying things like King George gave
Speaker 1: me everything. I like. They refer to this guy who
Speaker 1: owns the Renaissance Fairs, King George. Wow, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's the hierarchies that they all like kind of fit.
Speaker 1: It's really wild and for someone like me who loves
Speaker 1: a freaky ren fair check it out. Although the freaky
Speaker 1: little subculture the way the way it's shot is a
Speaker 1: little jarring because you it kind of blurs the lines
Speaker 1: and like, are these people for real or is this
Speaker 1: being acted? But no, it's it's it's real. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's what I've been watching.
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, Laguna Beach or Laguna whatever that show
Speaker 3: on MTV, Yeah, on MTV that Like at first it
Speaker 3: was like, wait, are these terrible actors or real? The
Speaker 3: most insincere?
Speaker 1: No, they're so no, like they're so good at acting.
Speaker 1: If they're acting, You're like, they're so good. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they mean this right, and they're all everyone's
Speaker 1: like a kookie character so far. So yeah, anyway, watching
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: Find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O. Brian tweet
Speaker 3: I've been enjoying just another check in from a version
Speaker 3: of the Manisphere. Thought Slime tweeted saw a Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: clip where he said that nobody knows why ghosts.
Speaker 1: Exist in every culture.
Speaker 3: It may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard
Speaker 3: someone say, nobody knows would exist in every culture, you know.
Speaker 2: Like what, that's the way I came across like even
Speaker 2: shore psychology. They're like they find something that exists across
Speaker 2: every culture, not thinking about the fact that every culture
Speaker 2: in the world is definitely overcrossed with it every other culture, Like, well,
Speaker 2: clearly it's it's ingrained in our minds. And if every
Speaker 2: culture does it.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I don't know, why would everyone do it?
Speaker 3: I guess someone just mean ghosts are real, you know,
Speaker 3: because it can't be that Memorial can't do that. Everybody
Speaker 3: struggles with fear of death in the finality of.
Speaker 2: Its No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, no, dude, I'll be I'll be balling when I died. Dude,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Like, you don't even matter. I don't
Speaker 1: know about ghosts.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows, nobody can explain it. You can find me
Speaker 3: on Twitter, Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on
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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website. Daily
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Speaker 1: Song that we think you might enjoy. Miles of the song.
Speaker 1: Do you think people might enjoy it? I think I
Speaker 1: think our listeners should check out our guests music, check
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Speaker 1: I mean, I like all these tracks, but there's one
Speaker 1: specifically because I used to drive a Honda. It's called
Speaker 1: Honda Civic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's a deep.
Speaker 1: Cold, heavy and you know it's like what what what
Speaker 1: would we call that? Genre wise? It's like sci fi, trap,
Speaker 1: R and B pop.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, like irap R and B pop.
Speaker 1: I like this. I like the synth stuttering, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We get a little you know, we're
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Speaker 1: It's all good.
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