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Speaker 1: be an absolute I'm gonna have nine hundred beers that night.

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Speaker 2: And you may well have a felon running for president.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean we he is.

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Speaker 3: That's not Chandywood what he ends up doing, where he's.

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Speaker 2: Running unprecedented times.

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Speaker 1: In the best way possible.

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Speaker 3: It's all un president because we just had to come

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Speaker 3: up with the idea of how cool to do it.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, you guys might pick up a thing or two

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Speaker 1: over there from us to England. Here's a free lesson.

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Speaker 3: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, forty two,

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Speaker 3: Episode two of The Guys, the production of iHeart And

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Speaker 3: this is a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Where we take a deep dive into America share consciousness.

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Speaker 3: And it is Tuesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Garretty, motherfuckers. It's National Forklift Safety Day. It's National Call

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Speaker 1: your Doctor Day, is National Making Life Beautiful Day, is

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Speaker 1: National Germany Child the Cake Day.

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Speaker 3: The first three felt the first two at least felt

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Speaker 3: somewhat related.

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Speaker 1: Been Making Life Beautiful Day, and you shot the cake?

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Speaker 3: No forklift safety and then call your doctor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, like the

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Speaker 1: other two Digging Life Beautiful Day, Nah fuck that?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: How about this one? It's also you didn't let me finish.

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Speaker 1: It's also National Corn on the Cob Day. Now that's

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Speaker 1: probably the best one of them all shot out Corn

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Speaker 3: I do love some corn on the cop sweet corn.

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Speaker 3: We're getting into corn season. It's corn season and America season.

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Speaker 1: Baby, you grill it or you boil it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it like recently National Forklift Operators Day? And then

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Speaker 3: I feel like a week later they're like, and oh,

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Speaker 1: Let's make a National Forklifts they safety Day. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: to do cool tricks on your Yeah, be safe.

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Speaker 3: I can spin on the little fork in the front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know how break answers do like windmills

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Speaker 1: and shit, watch this fork lower it with the wheel boom.

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Speaker 3: Well my name is Jack O'Brien aka, I'm your hopeful pres.

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Speaker 3: I'll never be the pres, but I'm your anti vaxer pres.

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Speaker 3: But really I'm not actually your pres. But I am

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Speaker 3: Bobby Kenny in the middle of the ballot, who watches

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Speaker 3: over you. There's a little worm housting your brain. Not

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Speaker 3: to put too fine a point on it, don't give

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Speaker 3: this guy the key to atomics. There's a little worm

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Speaker 3: housting your brain that is courtesy of keV Whatev on

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Speaker 3: the discord in reference to our third presidential candidate, but

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Speaker 3: first in all of our hearts and in all of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Kevin whatever. What's that? What song

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Speaker 1: was that? Bird Housing or Soul?

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Speaker 3: They might be giants? Oh they might not, but I think.

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Speaker 1: They might be giants. I'm like, I only know like

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Speaker 3: Ship Triangle Man, Triangle Man, and then you don't know,

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Speaker 3: bird Housing or Soul not a bit of a deep.

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Speaker 1: Cut, something culturally did not penetrate the bubble for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was that and maybe Malcolm in the Middle theme

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there, and the Mickey Mouse Hot Dog song

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Speaker 3: that Ship Goes. It was a it's like a song

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Speaker 3: I was like, this song is catchy as fuck, and

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Speaker 1: Secretly like this song is catchy. A song fucking goes man.

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Speaker 1: I can't let my kids know.

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Speaker 3: I have to remain detached and unimpressed by their culture.

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Speaker 3: But anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by

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Speaker 3: my co host mister.

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Speaker 1: Yes it's Miles Gray aka Vulnerable. WHOA. Green is not

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Speaker 1: It was genuinely shocked. I get it. Look, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: we all got blind spots. It takes a wise person

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's it's like a single day in art class,

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Speaker 1: As I do. But yeah, that really fucked me up. Man.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot. I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 3: Miles Fin Colors, you are thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 3: their third seat by a very funny media critic, talented musician,

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Speaker 3: just all around artists who you know from YouTube, where

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Speaker 1: Please welcome, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Am I supposed to sing a song now?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you got to your musician. You are duty bound.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't Preparis song. I didn't Preparis song.

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Speaker 1: I will allow it this once.

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Speaker 2: I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Watch walking on the moon. Cat, you go, my leg

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Speaker 1: storm breaks. Yeah see, I brought it all together right there.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just not hearing in awe, How on

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Speaker 1: Right now, eleven fifty two.

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Speaker 2: That's early in the morning for me.

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't be awake right now, frankly, quite frankly, Cat,

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be awake right now, and you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Look have lunch yet, and you're on it.

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Speaker 1: On it, I have not had lunch yet. Usually, like

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Speaker 3: I'm so dumb about my food intake, Like I will

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Speaker 2: Drinking sniff test when I'm about hungry, I probably should.

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Speaker 1: I think you're probably responsible enough to probably eat when

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Speaker 1: it's time to and we're just like just three more

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Moons.

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Speaker 1: Can I call you moon cat, moon cat cat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people call me moon, people call me moon cat.

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Speaker 2: No one's ever called me moons.

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Speaker 1: No, Like my mouth keeps wanting to do that, but

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Speaker 1: that's a very I think that's like an American thing,

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Speaker 1: like throwing that as on Dude Moons. What's up Moon? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Moon's came through. Dude Moons came through in the pod.

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Speaker 1: It was really fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, it's so great

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Speaker 3: This is definitely the guest that when I've told people.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gokay, wait on your podcast if you swear yes,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have Moon cat all right. Yeah I've been

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. Look, Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and

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Speaker 3: But the wrong Gavin McGinnis, and we're sorry.

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Speaker 2: I could just be AI. I could just be an

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Speaker 2: It says sleepy head until I'm dead?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you've you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto

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Speaker 2: When I play the SIMS, I don't really I don't

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Speaker 1: And we're back, And I mean, where do you start?

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Speaker 1: Mother it's like, yeah, same, like people who like monitor

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Speaker 1: sort of pseudoscientific arguments that are laid out to sort

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Speaker 1: of justify this misogynistic worldview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology,

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Speaker 2: which is why my most recent video decided to delve

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Speaker 2: into that a bit more. But yeah, their main ones

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Speaker 2: is like is hypergamy, where they sort of say that

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Speaker 2: women are wired to want to date men that earn

447
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Speaker 2: more than them, and there's like no way that that

448
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: could be programmed out of for them, it's just innate

449
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: and feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're

450
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Speaker 2: not like that, but really they are like that, right, yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: and yes, and then'll also talk about how rape culture

452
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Speaker 2: is a myth and they'll use like cherry picked studies

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Speaker 2: to try and that as well.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And also they'll say that that even when it comes

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Speaker 2: to domestic violence, they'll say that women are more violent

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Speaker 2: towards men than men are towards women, and they'll use

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Speaker 2: cherry picks studies to to supposedly prove that. And they'll

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Speaker 2: also they'll say things like the gene of wage gap

460
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Speaker 2: is a myth as well, and they'll cherry pick certain

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Speaker 2: studies to try and prove that as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's always striking how these like sort

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Speaker 1: of these backwards ways of thinking, they're always they always

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Speaker 1: find a way to be like that thing that is

465
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Speaker 1: reality is actually not true, and here's this way to

466
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Speaker 1: kind of intellectually get yourself out of this way of

467
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Speaker 1: thinking or believing that what is happening is actually not

468
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Speaker 1: happening and it's actually like a myth. And there's always

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Speaker 1: this I'm always amazed at the just like the lack

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Speaker 1: of well, I'm sure we'll get to it. Just like

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Speaker 1: just how like it feels like a lot of these

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Speaker 1: ideologies they prop up when the like sort of like

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Speaker 1: the logic of their beliefs hit a dead end, like

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Speaker 1: like like being a man was supposed to be enough,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just I just exist, but things aren't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not experiencing all these things I see

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Speaker 1: on television or the things that I believed I am. So, now, well,

478
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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Oh, it's that everything else is

479
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Speaker 1: fucked up. There's nothing I need to do to change.

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Speaker 1: Let me now, like, let me stay sort of fixed

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Speaker 1: in my belief and then begin to explain why everything

482
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Speaker 1: else is not the issue or everything else is the issue,

483
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Speaker 1: rather than like how I'm interacting with the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it basically like whenever before I investigated the manosphere,

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Speaker 2: I investigated quite a few different like scams, like sort

486
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Speaker 2: of property investment scams and multi level marketing schemes and

487
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Speaker 2: stuff like that, and I found that it definitely worked

488
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Speaker 2: in much the same way as many scams, in the

489
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Speaker 2: way that it would sort of target people and it

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Speaker 2: would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost

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Speaker 2: in life and just were looking for, you know, like

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Speaker 2: something else to blame it on and we're offering a

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Speaker 2: way out of that via paying who is ever whoever

494
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Speaker 2: this influencer was for a course or whatever. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the ministery were definitely real in men who sort of

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Speaker 2: feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And

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Speaker 2: I guess in the past, your purpose would have been

498
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Speaker 2: more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my

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Speaker 2: purpose is to provide for a woman and for children,

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Speaker 2: Whereas it's not that easy anymore, just to have a

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Speaker 2: purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore.

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of men they do feel

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Speaker 2: a bit lost in life. And it's not you know,

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Speaker 2: because of their gender. It's probably because of like capitalism,

505
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Speaker 2: but they want to but they're looking to the pastern

506
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Speaker 2: and they're thinking, well, in the past, I would have

507
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Speaker 2: had this purpose, you know, to be a man, and

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Speaker 2: I would have been given a wife, you know, by someone,

509
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Speaker 2: and that would have been me and that would have

510
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Speaker 2: been my life. But now I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: It's everybody else's fault kind of thing, right.

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Speaker 1: I preferred middle stage capitalism, Yeah, exactly, that's when things

513
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Speaker 1: were great.

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Speaker 3: Their their version of the past is also a wildly

515
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: inaccurate version of what that time.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they liked it. They like to say that

517
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Speaker 2: women were happy in the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 3: They absolutely were were happy.

519
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: They were all on drugs. Housewives were on drugs, right, yeah, lots.

520
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Of the time. Yeah, we were just talking recent but

521
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: like you know, the Stepford Wives being a commentary on

522
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Speaker 1: that era of like just being so medicated that it

523
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: was completely like not like dulling the senses of like

524
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Speaker 1: a generation of women. But yeah, but now it's actually

525
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Speaker 1: feminism that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with the fallout of that. Dude. Yeah, yeah, they their

527
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Speaker 1: feminist shit.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the actual like details of the people that

529
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Speaker 3: we meet in the video, like the fresh and Fit,

530
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Speaker 3: well I was not familiar. Is that the name of

531
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Speaker 3: the show where they just like get women drunk and

532
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Speaker 3: then explain women to women?

533
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't.

534
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Speaker 2: They don't let them talk back, and if they do

535
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Speaker 2: try and talk about they just kick them out of

536
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Speaker 2: the podcast, supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's amazing, Like I've never seen someone like people

538
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: be more infuriating to somebody else, like just try like

539
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Speaker 3: the things that they're saying about women, like the most dismissive,

540
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Speaker 3: diminishing things. And then if in the off chance, like

541
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Speaker 3: one episode out of many, like the women can't take

542
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Speaker 3: it anymore and get angry, then the men are like, oh,

543
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Speaker 3: you're just sensitive while being the most thin skinned creatures

544
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: so emotional, get so emotional or anyone just like talking

545
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Speaker 3: back to them.

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Speaker 1: It's it's so wild you put it out how like

547
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Speaker 1: obviously you know people say this so much, especially in

548
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Speaker 1: the US, like are you just in your feelings? Just

549
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: in your feelings now? And then when they get caught out,

550
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I'm having a fact response, an emotional response,

551
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: having a fact based response like.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I forgot about that quote. That was hilarious.

553
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: The fact response is like, holy shit, man, the amount

554
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: of mental gymnastics they got to do on that cognitive dissonance.

555
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's wild. It's truly wild. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's why in my most recent video, I just dedicated

557
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Speaker 2: a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings

558
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Speaker 2: and how no one's only going off facts, absolutely, no

559
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Speaker 2: one is. Every everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon

560
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions. You can't escape them because if you

561
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Speaker 2: if you did escape your emotions, then your brain wouldn't work,

562
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Speaker 2: it would it would just short circuit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is such a fear of feelings, clearly from

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Speaker 1: all of these men. Yeah what I mean, which is

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Speaker 1: why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather

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Speaker 1: than like, I'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy. Yeah, no, dude,

567
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Speaker 1: the facts are it's fucking hypergamy, man, and fucking eighty

568
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Speaker 1: percent of the win. There's only twenty percent of the

569
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Speaker 1: women available to the other eighty percent of men that

570
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Speaker 1: are out there, because they're all going for the top

571
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Speaker 1: twenty percent. So that's like we're already dealing. So the

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Speaker 1: way they have to set all of this shit up,

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Speaker 1: it's really it's really fucking I mean, it makes sense

574
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Speaker 1: because right, we're so averse to picking apart our egos

575
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Speaker 1: or things like that, or bringing any self awareness to

576
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Speaker 1: that that this is such a convenient way to avoid

577
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Speaker 1: any kind of introspection or self critique because those are

578
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Speaker 1: actual those are those things are actually by default like

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Speaker 1: impossible within the manosphere. Like I don't see many people

580
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Speaker 1: being like, man, you gotta sit down, take an inventory

581
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Speaker 1: of kind of what you're feeling, maybe how things from

582
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Speaker 1: your past may relate to this now. It's always just like, no,

583
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Speaker 1: let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me,

584
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Speaker 1: because I'm fine, but the world has gone fucking mad

585
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Speaker 1: and now I just need to learn how to navigate

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Speaker 1: that with my macho shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which which kind of goes against the whole right

588
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Speaker 2: wing perspective of individualism in a way. Doesn't it just

589
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Speaker 2: like blaming everything around you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are facts and they have nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with my feelings. Okay, So I had never heard of

592
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Speaker 3: Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered.

593
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Speaker 3: I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at first point.

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Speaker 3: He's a friend, and I think you were unfaird No.

595
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Speaker 3: He like the degree to which he has crossed over

596
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Speaker 3: is kind of staggering when you when you look at

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Speaker 3: like what he's saying, and I mean hYP hypergamy is

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Speaker 3: that we're calling what he's calling it. Women are like

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Speaker 3: these domesticated animals who just like can't help but like

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Speaker 3: respond to these instincts that make them find you repulse.

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Speaker 3: It's like the psychological shit they're all going through, like

602
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Speaker 3: so many of the videos. I think you said at

603
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Speaker 3: one point come down to how ugly do women find me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're obsessed with like hierarchies, though they really want

605
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Speaker 2: to put themselves on this hierarchy of how attractive they

606
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Speaker 2: think they are to every woman, Like every woman is

607
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Speaker 2: looking at a man and thinking, so, no, ten, they're not.

608
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Speaker 2: They're They're extremely subjective in how they find a man,

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Speaker 2: how attractive they find a man to be right Whereas

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Speaker 2: But but they're looking at women and thinking five, six

611
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Speaker 2: of an eight, nine, ten or whatever, and they think

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Speaker 2: that women are looking at men in the same way.

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Speaker 2: They're absolutely not. Women all have different tastes and most

614
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: men do as well, have all different tastes. But they

615
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Speaker 2: think that everybody thinks that the way they do in

616
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Speaker 2: this very sort of misogynistic way.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's why haired chads and some women like

618
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Speaker 3: dark haired chads. And that's it exactly. Those are the

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Speaker 3: two tastes that you need a jaw bone that looks

620
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Speaker 3: like an upside down football helmet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the perfect mandibular angle is what all women are

622
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Speaker 2: looking for us.

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Speaker 1: But what do you like?

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Speaker 3: Who would you say is the most kind of dangerous

625
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Speaker 3: of these people who you've who you've.

626
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Speaker 2: Encountered the most dangerous person in the manisphere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, they are going to release a

628
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Speaker 3: video after they're saying with that I'm the most dangerous person.

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Speaker 2: I would say probably Jordan Peterson because he's got the

630
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Speaker 2: widest reach. He's got that whole PhD, I know what

631
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about thing going on. They all look up

632
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Speaker 2: to him. Like when I made my manusphere video, so

633
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Speaker 2: many people in the comments were like, Jordan Peterson isn't

634
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Speaker 2: a part of the manusphere. He absolutely is. He's like

635
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Speaker 2: the king of the Manisphere. So yeah, i'd probably say

636
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Speaker 2: him just because he's got the most reach, in the.

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Speaker 1: Most influence, and he's being embraced by political figures. I

638
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Speaker 1: think that's what also makes it especially dangerous. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Andrew Tate is obviously like a scumbag and

640
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Viole and has is like a danger to society, But

641
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: like the level to which Jordan Peterson has sort of

642
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: been you know, nodded to, or like his ideas end

643
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: up kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah,

644
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: sort of poltical speech and things like that. Yeah, I

645
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Speaker 1: definitely see that because it's again it's that PhD, that

646
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: sort of takes it from Yeah, this isn't a guy

647
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: wearing a fuzzy hat and a feather boa and giant sunglasses.

648
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: This is a fucking PhD. Okay, they're saying the same thing,

649
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Speaker 1: but the fact that the PhD is saying, I'm gonna

650
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Speaker 1: give that some more weight.

651
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrew Tate is also dangerous, but he's dangerous in

652
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: a much different way. But like he he only really

653
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Speaker 2: I think most of the guys sort of into Manisphere

654
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Speaker 2: ideas kind of look at Andrew Tait and think he's

655
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Speaker 2: a bit of an idiot. So I think his I

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00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: think his reaches is a lot. It's a lot less

657
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: widespread than Jordan Peterson's, and I think, like, especially since

658
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: the whole trafficking allegations, I think he Yeah, he will

659
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: say the opposite publicly. He will say that it's only

660
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: improved his reach, but I think it has actually diminished

661
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: diminished his reach a little bit because there are there

662
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: are actually some guys in the Manisphere who are like,

663
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't go so far as to traffic

664
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: women actually, so maybe he is so great jokes.

665
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: About it, but I will engage in the traffic. Yeah,

666
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: that's a bridge too. Far, I will make people believe

667
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: that I'm saying it not as a you know, winkie way,

668
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah.

669
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's not the only person who has like

670
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: bragged about committing assaults and you know, sexual violence in

671
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: in this world like that. That was kind of shocking

672
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: to me how many of these guys are actually saying

673
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: that they're doing horrifying things like in the videos, like.

674
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's how you kind of see like the

675
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: evolution of it starts off with a like keep your

676
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: room clean if you want to track a woman, and

677
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware, it's fake,

678
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: it's nonsense, and it gets more and more you know, violent,

679
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's really what. The thing that really struck

680
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: me too is this kind of like it's so weird

681
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: how these Manisphere figures who are like selling a course

682
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset, of

683
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: this mindset because all of their materials they use to

684
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in

685
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: some nineties movie about being the coolest guy ever. And

686
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: you put this out in your video about the seduction

687
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: devil and his course, and like what he's prompt like,

688
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: this is what he's promising people. Okay, And I thought

689
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: this is really eye opening from your video and this

690
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: is from a Manisphere course. It's like ninety seven bucks

691
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: or some shit. And it says in just one week

692
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: across the court, it wasn't in seven In just one week.

693
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: After getting inside, you'll find yourself quote skipping the line

694
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: at bars and clubs, high fiving the bouncers and befriending

695
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: the staff, okay, attracting nines and tens effortlessly without saying

696
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: a word word holy shit, Entering a cafe with your

697
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: new girl, receiving a warm welcome, and discovering that your

698
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: regular has already been prepared.

699
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, hey Jack, the regular, all right, I

700
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: already had it here for you.

701
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: Whoa baller? Who's that another one on your arm? All right?

702
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: That can't be my man?

703
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Hey, hi five. This fucking world doesn't even exist, not

704
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: even for people who they would even think are that cool.

705
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting to see how this like whatever,

706
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: their lack of meaningful social interactions or what they believe

707
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: they want to be, has created this like version of

708
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: what they think is truly like. What like is what

709
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: they're just sort of telling on themselves. It's like, so

710
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: your fantasy is to walk into a cafe with your

711
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: new girl and someone's like your regular, your ice, your

712
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: milk with ice is ready? Okay, you drink milk? Yeah,

713
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: out of I drink half and half with some little

714
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: bit of ice on the rocks.

715
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. It did kind of remind me of like how

716
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: the crypto scams work in a way. I don't know

717
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: if you remember from my crypto video, the whole Crypto

718
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: land where they were like, oh you could, you could

719
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: move to this special island where everybody just trades with

720
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: cryptocurrency and and we have communal working spaces and everybody's

721
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: going to have a lambow, and but the whole thing

722
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: was just so it was just, yeah, an absolute fantasy

723
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: based on crypto. It's not realistic at all.

724
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: But it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is

725
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: being beloved by service andes like that they like walk

726
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: in and like everyone at Starbucks is like Yay's like

727
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: it's just such an interesting like snapshot of like just dead,

728
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: soulless and end stage capitalism where they're like and then

729
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me like

730
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 3: I'm just there to spend money. They're gonna really love

731
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: me and they're the bouncer is gonna be like rules

732
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: don't apply to you because.

733
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: They no smoking in here. Oh wait, it's you, hey man,

734
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: spark up, dude, you're the best. It's like, what were

735
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: you not hearing enough in your life that created this version.

736
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: But again, I think it says a lot because a

737
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: lot of people they are lacking this, so they do

738
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I would love nothing more

739
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: than to passively attract a partner without having to do

740
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: any work or any effort, or to have the fear

741
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: of failure of being rejected. I'd rather I feel like

742
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm such a fucking baller

743
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: that my aura is enough to bring all the boys

744
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: or women or whoever non bindary people to the yard.

745
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: But I feeling for this it's mostly head dudes looking

746
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: for women. But like, you know, we talk a lot

747
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: about deaths of despair, you know, and how they're rising,

748
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: especially here in the United States, and it's clear that

749
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: like America in this late stage capitalism era we're in

750
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: is like unraveling, and there's like a cruel irony that

751
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: like all of this manisphere shit is like almost like this,

752
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: it's like a capitalist response to the chaos that has

753
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: been sown by capitalism. It's like, rather than in investigating

754
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: any of that, it's like, let me sell you something

755
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: that is absolute nonsense that will actually send you into

756
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: a darker hole. Like you know, if these people were

757
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: interested in making things better, there would certainly be some

758
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: more again introspection analysis of like the forces that are

759
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: shaping the world in which they live. But it's like,

760
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: the problem isn't capitalism. It's that women are super vicial

761
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: and demanding too much. It's not capitalism, it's immigrants. How

762
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: do you sort of see the relationship between the manisphere

763
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that is like, what,

764
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: what's a solution here? It's because there's really no solution.

765
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: It's more like the world's fucked up. This is how

766
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: you be more fucked up to the world.

767
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: M yeah, it's I don't I honestly like, I don't

768
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: know what the solution is other than trying to sort

769
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: of give men a different sort of outlet, because there

770
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: definitely is like a problem. I think specifically since the pandemic.

771
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: I think everyone, like not just men, are feeling a

772
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for

773
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: solutions to that, and specifically with the manisphere. This sort

774
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: of gateway drug is when you look up videos on

775
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: how to talk to women to try and you know,

776
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: pick them up or whatever they get, and like when

777
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: you click on one of them, I mean that the

778
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: algorithm will just take you further and further and further

779
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: into the manisphere and until you eventually believe that women

780
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: aren't actually sentient beings at all. They're just sort of

781
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: programmed to act a certain way. And you'll get to

782
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: the pick up artists who will like literally give you

783
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: a flow chart and they'll say like it's like a

784
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: dialogue tree that you can have with a woman, and

785
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: they'll be like, if you say this, this and this

786
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: and this, then you'll definitely get her in bed kind

787
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: of thing. And it is. It's selling a very sort

788
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: of simple, simple solution to this very complex problem of loneliness,

789
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: which I think is a genuine problem. And I think

790
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: that's exacerbated by dating apps because everybody relies on dating

791
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: apps nowadays. And I do sympathize with men on dating

792
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: apps because men have a much worse time on dating

793
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: apps than women do, although women also do have a

794
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: bad time, and that's why they're that's why they're leaving

795
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: the apps, which which leaves more men on the apps

796
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: than women, and that's why men will swipe right more

797
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: on every women that they see and women will swipe

798
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: left more because they're expecting. Women are expecting a match

799
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: with anyone that they swipe right on right, so that

800
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: will make that will cause women to be more picky,

801
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: and men are increasingly not expecting a match with whoever

802
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: they swipe right on, so that will cause them to

803
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: be less picky. And that just happens more and more

804
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: and more, and this feedback loop just happens even more

805
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: increasingly all the time, until you get like a guy

806
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: with barely any matches and a woman with too many

807
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: matches and she doesn't know who to go on a

808
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: date with, so like both genders are having a really

809
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: awful time. But the mistake that the Manisphere makes, and

810
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: the sort of that's the excuse that they use to

811
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: bring a lot of people in, is to say that

812
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: this is like real life now because of feminism. But

813
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: they've got no they've got no proof of that other

814
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: than dating apps. But dating apps work that way for

815
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: a reason because it's not real life because women have

816
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: all left. But women haven't left real life. Women still

817
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: go into like bars and things, and you can still

818
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: like women are still interested in making friend groups, and

819
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: so are men. And I think we need to sort

820
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: of try and get back to that sort of real

821
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: life thing of mingling in friend groups and you know,

822
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: making friendships that might turn into something else based on that,

823
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: whereas I think nowadays we sort of rely on dating

824
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: apps so much that a lot of men in the

825
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: manosphere just like think that that's real life and that's.

826
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: Right based on the behaviors that they see or how

827
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: things are being sordid.

828
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 3: Ye, a lot of it seems to be interhuman relations

829
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: that are mediated by capitalists. Yeah, the dating apps profiles

830
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: or the person who fantasizes about everybody in the bar

831
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: who works at the bar liking them, and it just

832
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: feels like everyone's turned into a product, Like this is

833
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: all part of this weird thing where we're trying to

834
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: apply the rules of capitalism, like late stage hypercapitalism to

835
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: interactions and then we're like, what happened why is everybody.

836
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: So Yeah, it's like it's the same way that we

837
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: ruined sort of like restaurants with all of these food

838
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: delivery apps, and it's the same way that we ruined

839
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: all of these taxi companies with Uber. It is because

840
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: they try to like lays a fair capitalism all of

841
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: these all of these companies and all of these industries,

842
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: and they try to completely libertarianize them all. And they've

843
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: done the same with dating as well. And they've and

844
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: then they've sort of realized that, oh, this is this

845
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: isn't actually good for people.

846
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: Is it?

847
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: Like doing it like this.

848
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: Let's take one more break and we'll come back and

849
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: finish out talking about this.

850
00:45:52,440 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, man, We're back.

851
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say I was so I had

852
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: at my like loneliest I Remember, I had graduated college,

853
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: the recession happened, I had gone through like a bad breakup.

854
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I was like completely didn't know what to make sense

855
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: of my life because the everything I had been told

856
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: about going to university, getting a degree that would land

857
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: me a job that would create all this like life

858
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: momentum was not happening, and my dating prospects were just

859
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: like not great because I was just emotionally in a

860
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: terrible place. And I remember getting into pickup artist shit

861
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: because I was like, maybe it's that I don't know

862
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: how to actually like use the fucking game, like, you know,

863
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: I read the game by Neil Strauss, and I was like,

864
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: what the fuck, man, this is fucking wild, Like they

865
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: they just they just bounced like location to location and

866
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: then suddenly like you figured out a way to achieve

867
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: like sex or something like that, and so most of

868
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: it too us. I realized, like it was just like

869
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: even reading that stuff like this doesn't fucking make sense

870
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: to me. But what did was that like I was

871
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: really sad, you know, I had a deep seated fear

872
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: of rejection and I wasn't really able to like come

873
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: to grips with that. And the second I was like, wait,

874
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: I think I need to go to therapy, Like I

875
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: think I need to actually work on myself, I can

876
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: like it was sort of the only way for me

877
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: to really see through that, because again, shit like pick

878
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: up artistry or whatever offers you this really bizarre shortcut

879
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: to not be like, oh yeah, dude, it's not that

880
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm fucking terribly fucking depressed and I haven't actually sorted

881
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: out who I am as a person. Is that I

882
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: just need to figure out like what the what the

883
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: different ways to like game someone is And and I

884
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: think again, like this is why it's always interesting to

885
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: see that, like the solution for what so many people

886
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: are experiencing is that little bit of being able to

887
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: sort of take care of yourself in a way that

888
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: is actually is nourishing for like your soul, rather than

889
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: kind of listening to some dude preached the like sort

890
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: of silver bullet answer. So I always find it really interesting,

891
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: Like whenever I see this, I'm like, man, just look inward,

892
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: Just fucking look inward. So many things could be answered

893
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: if you figure out what those what that dark that

894
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: void is within yourself and how to address that, because

895
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: if you fill it with this shit, it's just going

896
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: to have this like you know, compounding effect where you

897
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: end up on like these like really violent like insuls

898
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: like groups and like picking up these other really terrible

899
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: beliefs that only gonna take you deeper and deeper. So yeah,

900
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: that was my brush. That was my brush with pick

901
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: up artistry. It was me at my lowest and loneliest

902
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: and completely lacking any feelings of self worth. You still

903
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: have the Jameric Quie hat. I don't call it Jamiqui, dude,

904
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: it's cat in the hat, but pimp cat in the hat. Bro,

905
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: it ain't Jamiroqui. It's just washed.

906
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Okay. But yeah, like when you're at the like sort

907
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: of low, at the low, I feel like a lot

908
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: of content in the manisphere really really sort of allows

909
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: people to self loathe and that can feel kind of

910
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: weirdly comforting, like at that level, like just just to

911
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: sort of say, oh, I'm I'm like I'm a one

912
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: on the attractive scale. That means I will never ever

913
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: get a woman kind of thing. And to be sort

914
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: of nihilistic in that way, I think is in a

915
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: weird way, is kind of comforting to some to some

916
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: people who end up in that Yeah, yeah.

917
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Because you're like giving it ald what I'm gonna do?

918
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: Bring someone back and introduce them to my mom. I'm

919
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: twenty two years old, and then I'm like this is there. Yeah,

920
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: this is one too. I should have a mansion and

921
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: a lamplow by now. But you know what I mean.

922
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: But that's like that's the ship that you're fed, right,

923
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: You're socialized to be like xyz, then you get a degreemation.

924
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: You should have at least a suburban you know what

925
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: I mean. But yeah, and you have to and it

926
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: takes a second to like reconcile the how you've been

927
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: socialized with the reality is and like give yourself a

928
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: little bit of grace to be like, yeah, yeah, everyone

929
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: is different. Actually it's not a bad thing. But I

930
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: always treated that as to be like I can't I

931
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: can't go out there living at home, like what I

932
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: am going to tell someone? And then you see it's like, dude,

933
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: am I like a low value male? So I gotta

934
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: step mic. But again it's easy to see how that turned,

935
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: like the domino effect can begin for a lot of people.

936
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to one of my homegirls who's like,

937
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: what are you What are you talking about right now?

938
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, is that?

939
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: Like I just like the thing you have to understand

940
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: about me is I'm a low value male like that? Yeah,

941
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: there are like little catch there are a bunch of

942
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: things in your Maniscer video that it's like, oh right,

943
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: anytime someone's talking like putting some of the attractiveness on

944
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 3: a numerical scale, or like talking about differences between men

945
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: and women that are like intractable and like species wide

946
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: evolutionary psychology, like there are all these things that it's

947
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: like uh huh, like this this head's nowhere.

948
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Good, right, because you're like, I will not be chosen.

949
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: That's hardwired into us. Because a woman is looking for

950
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: a male that will provide for them. I cannot provide

951
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: for them. I live in my mom's yeah, you know,

952
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: and then you're immediately.

953
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: But if you pay for their course, you can learn

954
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: how to provide, right.

955
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I wish. I wish that was one of

956
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: those slugs where it's like, effortlessly bring nines and tens

957
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: home and meet and have them meet your mom as

958
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: you engage in consensual sex in your childhood bedroom. It's

959
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: like I don't think, yeah, I know that's gonna happen,

960
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: but you can't. I mean.

961
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: The last thing I just wanted to mention is that

962
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: there seems to be a blindness in the mainstream media, Like,

963
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: just as it relates to the zeitgeist, when there is

964
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: an element of this type of misogyny in you know,

965
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: a mass shooter or a you know, a terror attack,

966
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: the media will pick up a thread of obviously if

967
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: Islam is a motivating factor or white supremacy, even they'll

968
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: be willing to like kind of trace that. They will

969
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: make up some left wing at a lot of the time,

970
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: like it was anti fun, but they really drop the

971
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: misogyny like pretty quickly. Like you you're pointing out, like

972
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: the massacre in christ Church was I had processed that

973
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: as mainly a white supremacist attack, but as you point out,

974
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 3: his manifesto opens with, you know, talking about birth rates

975
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of the ideas that you

976
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: see in these sorts of videos.

977
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

978
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it definitely all all crosses crosses like crosses over

979
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: with each other, all of it does. Yeah, because like

980
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: if you if you start believing in one of these

981
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: ideal ideologies, you'll find that a lot of the same

982
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: influences will start We'll talk about these other issues as well.

983
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: And also if you start thinking about the reasons behind

984
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: why all of these things are happening, you'll find that

985
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: the only sort of logical narrative you can you can

986
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: come to is that it all sort of boils down

987
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: to anti Semitism basically, is what it all boils down

988
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: to at the end. Of the day, and you if

989
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: you're not blaming something on capitalism, if you if you

990
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: follow the logic of of misogyny or with racism, or

991
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: with or with any of that, it's it's a very convoluted,

992
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: unrealistic conspiracy theory that they will that they will use.

993
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's like this, it's like this

994
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of unwillingness to blame capitalism for anything that that

995
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: leads people to go down that path instead. And I

996
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like an unwillingness to maybe admit

997
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: that you were wrong because your logic doesn't make any

998
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: narrative sense that so you had to end up with

999
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: anti semitism. But yeah, it's it's it's all under that base,

1000
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: like he's hold under that umbrella.

1001
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lack of critique. Really it's like again,

1002
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: it's like falling into these it's just because you're looking

1003
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: for like sort of like a psycho emotional like shelter

1004
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: for your terrible beliefs. It's like, I don't hate women.

1005
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: It's actually that I'm just a man navigating a world

1006
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: filled with hypergamy. The trust me, they're the problem. I

1007
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: don't hate women. They hate themselves because of feminism. It's like,

1008
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: do I I don't hate immigrants. It's actually, I'm living

1009
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: in a world where we're dealing with serious issues around

1010
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: falling birth rates in the future of democracy, if you know,

1011
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: immigrants are allowed to come in and completely reshape the electorate.

1012
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: It's like there's always going to be a place for

1013
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: people to learn why their shit beliefs are justified. And

1014
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so intoxicating, because again it's like, look, man,

1015
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: welcome to the manisphere. The last place we're going to

1016
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: ask you to do some like digging into yourself. Okay,

1017
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: if anything, we're gonna we're going to excavate the shit

1018
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: outside completely nor everything that's happening internally. It's that And

1019
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: that's the sort of guarantee we can offer you with

1020
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: this ideology, is that you won't have to look into

1021
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: your scary head and think about shit like that, because

1022
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: trust me, it's it's it's everything else that's yeah, yeah, yeah,

1023
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: and it's and I can see why if you're not

1024
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: fully you know, developed like it, and as an adult

1025
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, how easily it is to like hoop into

1026
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: that and why you see, like younger people younger and

1027
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: younger people. It's like, you know, someone in their mid

1028
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: twenties who's like tried to date, you can kind of

1029
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: see like sort of the momentum that takes them there.

1030
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: But like when teenagers are like already getting there, it's like, wow,

1031
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: it's that's right.

1032
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: I feel like you young people are definitely susceptible to

1033
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: that kind of like edgy humor as well, where it's

1034
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: sort of it's like making jokes about Nazis and things

1035
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: that you know your parents wouldn't make because that's too

1036
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: far out. But I think that kind of sort of

1037
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: edgy in quotation marks humor sort of works well on

1038
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: those young people because I think it's you know, naughty,

1039
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: so that in that way it sort of brings in

1040
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: the really young people because they think that they're being

1041
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: edgy and cool and stuff.

1042
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I really you know, the right

1043
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: is currently a sendant in like European politics and in

1044
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 3: US politics. It continues to be much more popular than

1045
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: anybody would have thought heading into the year twenty sixteen.

1046
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: But the people who like made the call on like

1047
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: we need someone like Trump, like Steve Bannon. The thing

1048
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: that the tea leaves that he was reading was like

1049
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 3: gamer game, And it feels like this is a powerful

1050
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: like engine of anger and hatred that is powering a

1051
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: lot of what is going on and also being not ignored.

1052
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: But I feel like the mainstream media like is just

1053
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: more willing to leave it, you know, and just like

1054
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: not not necessarily take it as seriously as some of

1055
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: the other threads. Right, So yeah, that's why I really

1056
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: I really appreciated your video and but the ways that

1057
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: you were able to kind of kind of bring that

1058
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: out in just a lot of these trends that we're seeing.

1059
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, I do feel like he gets ignored

1060
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: in the mainstream media. I mean I'm not sure why.

1061
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: Maybe because they don't want to, maybe because they see

1062
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: it as a sort of passing fad. Maybe I'm not sure,

1063
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: but it's it's definitely had a lot of staying power,

1064
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: at least like I think for the last few years,

1065
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: it's definitely had a lot of staying power.

1066
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think, yeah, I mean again, it's

1067
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: like we can't count on corporate media to begin any

1068
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: kind of critique on capitalism like that, to say, like

1069
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: is this all connected? Because I'm sure like for young

1070
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: men who are like, what the fuck, I don't have

1071
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: a job. I'm not a baller. And it's like, I

1072
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it because you're like, why is your economy?

1073
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: Why is the economy depressed in a way that you

1074
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: think it shouldn't be? You know what I mean? Like,

1075
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other factors that play into

1076
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: why you don't have Lambeau. It's not because you're not

1077
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: balling enough. It's because, I mean, if the Lambeau or not,

1078
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: you don't have a Honda accord because all of the

1079
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: wealth is being transferred up to people and you're more

1080
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Speaker 1: people are competing for finite resource, not hypergamy. It's every people.

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Speaker 1: More people are are competing for less and less available resources,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's having an effect on everything.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's just like sort of that loop of

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Speaker 1: being like the sort of people who are being affected

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Speaker 1: by capitalism. There's a way for an ideology to creep in,

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Speaker 1: to explain a way it's like, well, don't don't start

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Speaker 1: looking into that. I know this thing has messed you up,

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Speaker 1: but I promise you it's not It's not that system.

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Speaker 1: It's not the system. It's this other thing. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I think is really insidious about the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: because it really does prevent like sort of a larger

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Speaker 1: scale analysis or like awareness around it. It just allows

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Speaker 1: us to kind of kick the can down the road,

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Speaker 1: and people treat this group of being like they're just

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Speaker 1: a bunch of weird guys. I don't know, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Hard to explain though as well, isn't it Like financial

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Speaker 2: competency I think is a massive reason for this. I

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Speaker 2: don't think people realize how how the economic system that

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Speaker 2: we live under is actually built to enrich the richest

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Speaker 2: and keep the poor poor by way of you know,

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Speaker 2: paying interest on loans that they that they take out

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Speaker 2: and you don't own anything anymore. It's it's all a

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Speaker 2: monthly payment and it's but that's what we're born into

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Speaker 2: when we think that that's normal, when actually it's not

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Speaker 2: how things used to be at all. But like that,

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Speaker 2: but like millennials and Gen zs and genalpha's, they'll think

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Speaker 2: that that's that's just the way things work, and so

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Speaker 2: why why don't I have all of Why don't I

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Speaker 2: have a house like my parents did at my age?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's because of the economic system.

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Speaker 2: But it's really difficult to explain why because economics works

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Speaker 2: in such intrinsic, like intricate ways. So yeah, it's like,

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Speaker 2: how do you explain that to people right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's much easier to just say it's not

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Speaker 1: my fault, it's everyone else's fault. And yeah, then the

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Speaker 1: merry ground keeps going around and round. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate you coming on, and we really appreciate

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Speaker 3: all the amazing videos that you're making and the great

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Speaker 3: music as well. Where can people find you, follow you,

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Speaker 3: hear you other good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash Mooncat. That's

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Speaker 2: where you'll find my videos, which is my main thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter and Instagram at Mooncat Music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, And is there a work of media that

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Speaker 3: you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 2: Since I've had a micro In the past couple of days,

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Speaker 2: I've been absolutely binge watching Peep Show from season one

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: and I actually realized I was looking it up online

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Speaker 2: and I and I realized that America has actually tried

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Speaker 2: to do a remake of Peep Show five times and

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Speaker 2: failed every time.

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Speaker 1: What can't be? Yeah, Nah, we got our own Mitchell

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Speaker 1: and Web that are killing it. It's Krasinski and fucking Pratt.

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Speaker 1: Fuck comedian Web.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I watched the I watched the first someone

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Speaker 2: found the initial first pilot of the first attempted the

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Speaker 2: American remake, and it had that guy from the Office

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Speaker 2: in it.

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Speaker 1: What's it the main guy, Steve Correll?

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Speaker 2: No, the other guy, the Steve Carell. No. Oh, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's not from the Office. No, no, no, the guy

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of it is from The Big Bang. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: the guy who dates Penny whatever his name is.

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: Then there was Jesse Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: Wow is that what his name is?

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Speaker 3: They just had greenlit a new one there set and

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Speaker 3: it says fifth times the charm for American peep show.

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: So Jesse Armstrong from Succession is going to take a

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01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: stab at it. Well he would be the first. Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like Dune, right, I mean, I guess a bunch

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: of people failed, but then I guess they kind of

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: figured it out eventually, So maybe fifth time is the charm.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Jesse Armstrong created people in the first place.

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Speaker 1: What do you know? There? You go, pro Victor coming

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Speaker 1: in with the safe But is that the thing it

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Speaker 1: doesn't translate? I don't know. I mean the American Office

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Speaker 1: surely did, but will will Peepshow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I love the American Office. That definitely worked. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe there's something specific about Peep Show

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Speaker 2: that doesn't work with American humor. I'm not sure, right,

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: it's weird, mindy caring.

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Speaker 1: I'll figure it out.

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Speaker 3: Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: you've been enjoying?

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: Find me Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray, Find Jack

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack om

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Speaker 1: at Lucy. You can find me talking ninety day Fiance

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Speaker 1: on four twenty Day Fiance with Sofia Alexandra a tweet.

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Speaker 1: I don't really like your tweet. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I started watching that ren Fair show on that Oh yeah,

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01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: it's fucking wild. It's so weird, like it's shot it's

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Speaker 1: a documentary, but it's shot cinematically. But all of these

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Speaker 1: people are so into the Renfair world that it has

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01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: this like really sort of like hyper realistic feel to

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: it because they're truly saying things like King George gave

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Speaker 1: me everything. I like. They refer to this guy who

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Speaker 1: owns the Renaissance Fairs, King George. Wow, and it's like

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Speaker 1: it's the hierarchies that they all like kind of fit.

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Speaker 1: It's really wild and for someone like me who loves

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01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: a freaky ren fair check it out. Although the freaky

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: little subculture the way the way it's shot is a

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01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: little jarring because you it kind of blurs the lines

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Speaker 1: and like, are these people for real or is this

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: being acted? But no, it's it's it's real. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's what I've been watching.

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Speaker 3: It's like, uh, Laguna Beach or Laguna whatever that show

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Speaker 3: on MTV, Yeah, on MTV that Like at first it

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01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: was like, wait, are these terrible actors or real? The

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01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: most insincere?

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Speaker 1: No, they're so no, like they're so good at acting.

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Speaker 1: If they're acting, You're like, they're so good. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they mean this right, and they're all everyone's

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Speaker 1: like a kookie character so far. So yeah, anyway, watching

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Speaker 1: You can.

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Speaker 3: Find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O. Brian tweet

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Speaker 3: I've been enjoying just another check in from a version

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Speaker 3: of the Manisphere. Thought Slime tweeted saw a Joe Rogan

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Speaker 3: clip where he said that nobody knows why ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Exist in every culture.

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Speaker 3: It may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard

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Speaker 3: someone say, nobody knows would exist in every culture, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like what, that's the way I came across like even

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01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: shore psychology. They're like they find something that exists across

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Speaker 2: every culture, not thinking about the fact that every culture

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01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 2: in the world is definitely overcrossed with it every other culture, Like, well,

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Speaker 2: clearly it's it's ingrained in our minds. And if every

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Speaker 2: culture does it.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I don't know, why would everyone do it?

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Speaker 3: I guess someone just mean ghosts are real, you know,

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01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: because it can't be that Memorial can't do that. Everybody

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01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: struggles with fear of death in the finality of.

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Speaker 2: Its No no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, dude, I'll be I'll be balling when I died. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Like, you don't even matter. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows, nobody can explain it. You can find me

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on

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Speaker 3: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website. Daily

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Speaker 1: zeitgis dot com.

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Speaker 3: We post our episodes and our foot Nope. We link

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Speaker 3: off to the information we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 3: as well as a.

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Speaker 1: Song that we think you might enjoy. Miles of the song.

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Speaker 1: Do you think people might enjoy it? I think I

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Speaker 1: think our listeners should check out our guests music, check

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Speaker 1: out Mooncat's music. But ay, there's one track I like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like all these tracks, but there's one

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Speaker 1: specifically because I used to drive a Honda. It's called

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Speaker 1: Honda Civic.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's a deep.

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Speaker 1: Cold, heavy and you know it's like what what what

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Speaker 1: would we call that? Genre wise? It's like sci fi, trap,

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Speaker 1: R and B pop.

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, like irap R and B pop.

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Speaker 1: I like this. I like the synth stuttering, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. We get a little you know, we're

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Speaker 1: getting some uh like snare chains and ship like that.

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Speaker 1: It's all good.

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Speaker 3: I like you, so you should too. Honda Civic buy Mooncat.

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Speaker 3: We will link off to that in the footnote. Dailygeist

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Speaker 3: my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app Apple podcast

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Speaker 3: wherever you listen to your favorite shows that is gonna

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Speaker 3: do it for us this morning, act this afternoon to

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Speaker 3: tell you what is trending, and we will talk to

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Speaker 3: you all then.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye m