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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's possible to create a monster,
Speaker 2: but this is what happens. He had a difficult childhoods
Speaker 2: in a negative and viomence, but it is not enough
Speaker 2: to explain what he became twas a man who took
Speaker 2: pleasure to hurt everything around him. He in shot, causing
Speaker 2: pain to others. It was his way to take revenge
Speaker 2: on what he believed life had done to him. On
Speaker 2: top of that, yet no feeling whatsoever of other people.
Speaker 2: It was what they call a perfect psychopaths.
Speaker 3: A psychopath is somebody who understands emotions.
Speaker 4: And I told them it is a very exceptional that
Speaker 4: somebody abducts two children at the same time.
Speaker 3: Told have been the yen of it in nineteen and six,
Speaker 3: but my god, it was just a beginning.
Speaker 5: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.
Speaker 6: Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host, Matt Graves. The
Speaker 6: arrest of Mark de True and his accomplices led to
Speaker 6: the incredible rescue of Sabine Darden and Letitia d LEAs
Speaker 6: and the shocking discovery of the conditions of their captivity.
Speaker 6: An entire country was rocked by these crimes, but four
Speaker 6: young girls were still missing, their families desperate for answers.
Speaker 4: This basement and the crimes committed here have made this
Speaker 4: house notorious. Every Belgian knows about Marked Truth's chamber of horrors,
Speaker 4: that they must come here and see.
Speaker 6: What we knew at the time was only the tip
Speaker 6: of the iceberg of this unbelievable story. But who was
Speaker 6: Marked a True and how did he get away with
Speaker 6: kidnapping kids for so long? His story begins in Brussels,
Speaker 6: in a neighborhood I know well, less than two miles
Speaker 6: away from where I'm sitting today. Da Truth's parents hadn't
Speaker 6: been together very long, and his father later claimed that
Speaker 6: he thought Mark wasn't his biological son. Da True later
Speaker 6: described his father as an agitated and unstable man and
Speaker 6: his mother as calculating, selfish, and devious. Both parents were teachers,
Speaker 6: and the family spent a short spell in a hours
Speaker 6: and what was called the Belgian Congo at the time.
Speaker 6: You may recall from episode one that I interviewed a
Speaker 6: profiler named Karen Hutzebau who established a profile of the
Speaker 6: type of person she believed police should be looking for
Speaker 6: after Julian Melissa disappeared. She had some fascinating things to
Speaker 6: say about the Tru's life during that interview. What can
Speaker 6: you tell us about the Truth?
Speaker 4: It's a narcisstic personality, that's first, okay, he was the
Speaker 4: first born, and he's even born in Congo, the colony
Speaker 4: of Belgium at the time.
Speaker 6: A quick note to correct this small error. The True
Speaker 6: was actually born in Brussels, but moved to Congo shortly afterwards.
Speaker 4: And I know people personally who were also in Congo
Speaker 4: at that time and who told me that the father
Speaker 4: of Mardu True. They called him Loma, the man with
Speaker 4: the big how do you say in English? He just
Speaker 4: jumped on everything that moved his father, his father, And
Speaker 4: when he came into the house of my witness, when
Speaker 4: he came in his mother to call her children and
Speaker 4: said stay here, all of you, everybody was terrified of
Speaker 4: the father.
Speaker 7: Of the Truth.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, the Truth Mark was over protected
Speaker 4: by his mother correct and already when they were back
Speaker 4: in Belgium, the Truth had become kind of the.
Speaker 7: Leader of the tribe.
Speaker 4: So you can make psychopaths in two ways by too
Speaker 4: much violence during childhood, physical violence, emotional violence, sexual violence,
Speaker 4: name it or and they are worse the children that
Speaker 4: are are overprotected because they will never ever take responsibility
Speaker 4: for their own wrongdoing.
Speaker 7: It is always somebody else's fault.
Speaker 4: These are the man when they are older and they
Speaker 4: rape a girl or they kill a girl, it was
Speaker 4: her fault.
Speaker 7: It's always somebody else's.
Speaker 6: Do you think that, because apparently, just from what I've
Speaker 6: read that Mark the True his father was violent.
Speaker 7: That's part of it. He was mother overprotecting and mother
Speaker 7: was overproductive.
Speaker 6: So when you talked about the formation of a psychopath,
Speaker 6: you said, you know, can go two ways. One is
Speaker 6: extreme violence and another is overprotection. Would you think that
Speaker 6: he had both? Do you think Mark the True had both?
Speaker 6: What is it that you think made him? Is it
Speaker 6: more the protection of his mother or the violence.
Speaker 7: Combination of both, that's a combination of Yeah.
Speaker 4: Probably each time he has been hit by his father
Speaker 4: or maybe raped who will tell he sought protection by
Speaker 4: his mother and she gave it to him.
Speaker 7: Anyway, it is. It is very confusing upbringing.
Speaker 4: It's not an excuse, but it explains that these people
Speaker 4: and their way of thinking of things and lacking humanity,
Speaker 4: how that comes. They say that children are born that way.
Speaker 4: That is not true. You know, I've seen too many
Speaker 4: criminals and child killers, and I do not judge them.
Speaker 4: I judge their acts. So I always have very good
Speaker 4: contact with him. Why did you?
Speaker 7: I can be very harsh with them.
Speaker 4: One of the offenders I have in treatment and I
Speaker 4: film this life and it starts explaining to me, Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: what happened?
Speaker 7: You know the things that happened?
Speaker 4: I say, what what are you saying?
Speaker 7: We are the things that I said happened? No, no,
Speaker 7: I know, I know the things I did. Ah, now
Speaker 7: we're talking.
Speaker 4: They really I get out of my mind if they
Speaker 4: use where it happened?
Speaker 7: You know what happens.
Speaker 4: A storm can happen, an earthquake can happen, you know,
Speaker 4: things of nature can happen. But this is nothing that
Speaker 4: is not something that happens. This is something you did,
Speaker 4: You decided to do, and you liked to do it.
Speaker 4: And all those psychchatter definitions of disorder. It's bullshit, they
Speaker 4: all tell me after six months of therapy.
Speaker 7: I did it because I like to do it.
Speaker 6: Upon their return from the Congo that the True family
Speaker 6: settled in the gritty working class region around the city
Speaker 6: of Charlware in Belgium. Charlottlah is a difficult place to
Speaker 6: explain to people who haven't been there. It flourished economically
Speaker 6: during the Industrial Revolution, with a huge build up of
Speaker 6: steel and mining industries and an influx of migrants from
Speaker 6: across Europe. After the nineteen fifties, it went from boomtown
Speaker 6: to gloomtown, and factories were shuttered and unemployment skyrocketed. Its
Speaker 6: nickname became Lepaignoire, or the Black Country. With the gloomy
Speaker 6: remnants of industrial decay, the regions parked marked with shuttered mines, mills,
Speaker 6: and spoiltips polluting the landscape. Crime flourished in the sixties
Speaker 6: and seventies, and the name Charlevaugh soon became synonymous with
Speaker 6: organized crime and corruption. Marke de True grew up as
Speaker 6: a child of the sixties in this region, not the
Speaker 6: flowery sixties of peace and love, but a much darker
Speaker 6: existence his grade school teachers described him as undisciplined and intolerable.
Speaker 6: He got caught stealing from one of his schools, from
Speaker 6: which he was expelled, and was later kicked out of
Speaker 6: another school for selling pornographic pictures to other students. His
Speaker 6: mother said he was always trying to profit from something
Speaker 6: and described him as quote dominating people with less personality
Speaker 6: and never expressing any feelings whatsoever unquote. In nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 6: his parents divorced, and at some point after that, his
Speaker 6: mother started seeing a young man who had apparently been
Speaker 6: one of her students. You'll remember from the last episode
Speaker 6: that I was able to interview the True's lawyer, Ronnie Bodwin.
Speaker 6: I asked him to share what he could about where
Speaker 6: things started to go wrong with Mark Detrue when he
Speaker 6: was young.
Speaker 8: I think that, you know, the main turning point in
Speaker 8: his youthful life was at the time that he must
Speaker 8: have been like fifteen years old and his mother started
Speaker 8: a relationship with one of her students who was like seventeen, okay,
Speaker 8: And he is always returning to that point as could
Speaker 8: not accept first of all, that his parents were going
Speaker 8: to split up. Secondly, he then got confronted with some
Speaker 8: kind of stepdad who was barely older than he was
Speaker 8: at that time. And that's also why he explains that,
Speaker 8: for instance, he is different than his younger brothers and
Speaker 8: sisters because they were younger. The age difference between those
Speaker 8: brothers and sisters was bigger towards the student with whom
Speaker 8: his mother was supposed to have relationship, and therefore they
Speaker 8: didn't live that the same way. Yes, there was a
Speaker 8: new man in the house, and that new man should
Speaker 8: have been him, and it was somebody else who was
Speaker 8: barely older than he was.
Speaker 6: This was obviously an important turning point into True's life,
Speaker 6: which ended up with him leaving home at the age
Speaker 6: of sixteen. We don't know a whole lot about this
Speaker 6: time of his life. It's rumored that he lived for
Speaker 6: a while with an older pedophile and that he got
Speaker 6: involved with male prostitution. He worked on and off as
Speaker 6: a mechanic while developing his skills as a small time criminal.
Speaker 6: In nineteen seventy nine, he was convicted of theft and
Speaker 6: spent three months in prison. His favorite hobby was ice skating.
Speaker 6: In the early eighties, he started to spend more and
Speaker 6: more time at ice rinks On several occasions, he was
Speaker 6: kicked out of rinks for purposely causing girls to fall
Speaker 6: down and then fondling them while helping them up. At
Speaker 6: the age of twenty, he met a seventeen year old
Speaker 6: orphan named Francoise Dubois, and the two got married. They
Speaker 6: had two children together, but the relationship was troubled from
Speaker 6: the start, and Francoise accused Mark of beating her. While
Speaker 6: his wife was pregnant, Mark continued to hang out at
Speaker 6: ice rinks, where he met a young woman named Michel Martin.
Speaker 6: He divorced his first wife in nineteen eighty three, and
Speaker 6: then Michele moved in with him and they had a
Speaker 6: boy together in nineteen eighty four. All the while he
Speaker 6: got deeper in the crime, from stealing cars to shaking
Speaker 6: down elderly women. He also started traveling to Slovakia for
Speaker 6: various shady dealings. While there, he was accused of raping
Speaker 6: two teenage girls and also brought young Slovakian girls with
Speaker 6: him back to Belgium. His wife, Michelle Martin, was aware
Speaker 6: of these rapes and even assisted Mark in tricking victims
Speaker 6: and filming the crimes.
Speaker 8: To me the moment he met Michelle Martin, she was like,
Speaker 8: I don't know whether I pronounced it right. By the catalisator.
Speaker 8: You know, for instance, if you want to put a
Speaker 8: piece of sugar on fire, you will not succeed. But
Speaker 8: if you put some ashes which has already burned on
Speaker 8: the piece of sugar and you put your match to it,
Speaker 8: it will take fire. And that's exactly what happened. Those
Speaker 8: two met and by themselves they were a potential danger
Speaker 8: most probably, but it's only by meeting and coming together
Speaker 8: that suddenly the danger really got out. Indeed, people forget
Speaker 8: or tend to forget that she was taking the pictures,
Speaker 8: that she was filming it on camera and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: She was involved right from the very first moment. So
Speaker 8: it's not like she was an innocent bystander. I know.
Speaker 8: I've studied the file and I've studied, amongst other things,
Speaker 8: I've studied the relationship between them both, and I'm sure
Speaker 8: that at that time it was possible for him to
Speaker 8: do that because he had found literally but also in
Speaker 8: a figure of speech, a partner in crime.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: Do you think she was a psychopath?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm personally convinced that she is. First of all,
Speaker 8: to do those things what happened, you have to be
Speaker 8: a psychopath. And especially also the way in which those
Speaker 8: things were done. Don't forget that. For instance, they also
Speaker 8: went to Slovakia, and there is all so a list
Speaker 8: of Slovokian girls that got raped and stuff like that. Eh,
Speaker 8: I mean, this was not something they did just once.
Speaker 8: That was a way of life almost.
Speaker 6: It was nineteen eighty five and Mark and his second wife,
Speaker 6: Michelle Martin, were living in marginal existence in the shadows
Speaker 6: of Charlevois. They befriended a man named Jean van Pettigam,
Speaker 6: who was a drifter looking for a place to live.
Speaker 6: Jean van Pettigam left the army in the spring of
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five to marry his sweetheart and settle down
Speaker 6: in the working class region of Charlewas. The marriage only
Speaker 6: lasted a week, and Jean soon found himself penniless and
Speaker 6: looking for a place to live. His new friend, Mark
Speaker 6: the True, agreed to let him live in a run
Speaker 6: down caravan parked in the yard of his house. Jean
Speaker 6: was a perfect mark for the True. Young, broke and
Speaker 6: not very clever, he was soon doing his bidding in
Speaker 6: the market underworld of Charlevois. Although educated as an electrician,
Speaker 6: da True preferred stealing for a living, and he and
Speaker 6: his new protegee, Jean, were learning the ropes in the
Speaker 6: world of petty crime, from stealing cars to raiding work sites.
Speaker 6: The two would hustle any angle to make a buck.
Speaker 6: We know a lot about Jean van Pettigem's experience with
Speaker 6: D'true from statements he later made to police and journalists.
Speaker 6: On June seventh, nineteen eighty five, Jean van Pettigam stumbled
Speaker 6: out of his caravan and joined de True and his wife,
Speaker 6: Michelle Martin for dinner. In their kitchen, De True was
Speaker 6: animated that evening and suggested, quote, let's go out and
Speaker 6: have some fun. His wife, Michelle Martin, knew exactly what
Speaker 6: that meant and protested that she didn't want him to
Speaker 6: take her car for that kind of fun. But Detrue
Speaker 6: wasn't the kind of guy to let a woman tell him.
Speaker 1: What to do.
Speaker 6: Soon, they were cruising the streets of Charlevois, and Detruz
Speaker 6: spotted a young girl outside a municipal pool and suggested
Speaker 6: they pick her up. Isn't she a bit young, said Jean,
Speaker 6: Just my type. Replied De Drue. Jean said he didn't
Speaker 6: want to do it, but was indebted to the True,
Speaker 6: so he followed orders and jumped out and grabbed eleven
Speaker 6: year old Sylvia by the waist with one hand over
Speaker 6: her mouth, and threw her into the back passenger seat.
Speaker 6: Although this scene played out eleven years before the kidnapping
Speaker 6: of Letitia de Les in Bertrie, it was strikingly similar.
Speaker 6: A young girl on her way home from a swimming
Speaker 6: pool was brutally snatched by markd True in a lackey accomplice.
Speaker 6: This probably wasn't his first rodeo, and we certainly know
Speaker 6: it wasn't his last, but at twenty nine, De True
Speaker 6: still hadn't perfected his technique. It wasn't until years later
Speaker 6: that he would decide to change his approach and never
Speaker 6: let his victims go again. To True, his wife, Michele
Speaker 6: and Jean Vanpettigin would go on to kidnap an assault
Speaker 6: several more girls and young women in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 6: Out of respect for the victims, I will only refer
Speaker 6: to them by their first names. On the seventeenth of
Speaker 6: October nineteen eighty five, nineteen year old Maria was walking
Speaker 6: to the store near the town of Bansh. Jean waited
Speaker 6: on the sidewalk until she walked by, and then pushed
Speaker 6: her into De tru'z pugeat van. There were two other
Speaker 6: accomplices in the van that day who's still never been identified.
Speaker 6: One of them was described by Maria as a balding
Speaker 6: man in his fifties. They took her to a house
Speaker 6: and raped her several times before letting her go to
Speaker 6: Truth threatened to kill her if she ever talked. A
Speaker 6: few months later, on the fourteenth of December, a University
Speaker 6: of Brussels medical student named Aksel traveled home for the
Speaker 6: weekend to the town of Naileen, just south of s Charlewois.
Speaker 6: She left Brussels on Saturday afternoon by train to Charlerois,
Speaker 6: where she boarded a bus to her hometown of neelim
Speaker 6: Axcel exited the bus just after seven pm and started
Speaker 6: walking home when she noticed a dirty white van that
Speaker 6: seemed to be following her. Michel Martin was at the wheel,
Speaker 6: while Mark sat in the back of the van and
Speaker 6: Jean got out. As she passed by them, the back
Speaker 6: doors of the van flew open. Jean pushed her into
Speaker 6: the van while Mark pulled her in from the inside.
Speaker 6: They immediately put masking tape over her eyes and took
Speaker 6: her to a house where she was forced to undress
Speaker 6: in front of all three of them. Axcel was locked
Speaker 6: up in that house for almost twenty four hours and
Speaker 6: repeatedly raped. Blowing Sunday, they dropped her off near her parents'
Speaker 6: home in Neilin, but not before stealing her cash and
Speaker 6: her pencil case. Just four days later, the trio struck again.
Speaker 6: Fifteen year old Elizabeth was riding her bike to school
Speaker 6: on a cold December morning. In an almost identical abduction
Speaker 6: to what would happen ten years later to Sabine Darden.
Speaker 6: Elizabeth was ripped off of her bike and thrown into
Speaker 6: a dirty van. The story to True told her was
Speaker 6: also very similar to what he would tell Sabine several
Speaker 6: years later, that her kidnapping and rape was vengeance for
Speaker 6: something her father had done. Unlike Sabine, however, they let
Speaker 6: her go twelve hours later, a miscalculation that to True
Speaker 6: would later correct. As I mentioned in the beginning, Jean
Speaker 6: van Pettign wasn't the cleverest man. He had given so
Speaker 6: many details about himself during his conversation with victims that
Speaker 6: police were able to piece it together and figure out
Speaker 6: who he was. They arrested him on February third, nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty six, and Van Petticum confessed to the police that
Speaker 6: he was one of Excel's three kidnappers. There was no
Speaker 6: point in denying it because investigators had found the girl's
Speaker 6: pencil case during a search of his house. Under pressure
Speaker 6: from police, Jean spilled the beans and admitted to carrying
Speaker 6: out the kidnappings and rape with Detru and his wife Martin.
Speaker 6: He confessed to the abductions and rapes of Sylvia, Maria, Axcel, Elizabeth,
Speaker 6: and a fifth victim named Catherine, who was kidnapped and
Speaker 6: raped under similar circumstances. The True and Martin were also arrested.
Speaker 6: Martin first denied everything, then confessed, and then later retracted
Speaker 6: her confession. Under pressure from de True, he denied everything,
Speaker 6: and when they later convicted him, he declared himself a
Speaker 6: victim and complained about a grave miscarriage of justice between
Speaker 6: the arrest and the hearing. The True also came under
Speaker 6: suspicion for another crime that involved the brutal robbery of
Speaker 6: a fifty eight year old woman who was tortured for
Speaker 6: three hours by de Truan two companions in her house
Speaker 6: until she told them where the money was. On April
Speaker 6: twenty sixth, nineteen eighty nine, the True was sentenced to
Speaker 6: thirteen and a half years of prison. Van Petticum got
Speaker 6: six and a half years and Martage got five years.
Speaker 6: The True sentence was longer because he was also convicted
Speaker 6: of the brutal robbery of the woman. I was able
Speaker 6: to track down one of Mark d' true's former cellmates
Speaker 6: from his time in prison. This man's name is Danielle
Speaker 6: de Jas. Danielle is soft spoken and articulate. He looks
Speaker 6: nothing like a man who's been to prison three times.
Speaker 6: He was a drug addict for twenty years and found
Speaker 6: himself often the same prison as the True in the
Speaker 6: late eighties, after getting busted for robbing a pharmacy in Charlehaugh,
Speaker 6: I asked him to explain how he meant the True
Speaker 6: in prison.
Speaker 10: During free time, he would walk around the prison yard
Speaker 10: with a chessboard. That's how we met, and we probably
Speaker 10: played chess in the yard and he asked me to
Speaker 10: be a cell mate, and that's how I ended up
Speaker 10: with him. Afterwards, he turned out not to be easy
Speaker 10: at all to live with, because everything had to be
Speaker 10: exactly has. He decided, for example, to play chess when
Speaker 10: he wanted, even if I didn't feel like playing. And
Speaker 10: another thing at the time, I still smoked, and Marc
Speaker 10: Dueto said he couldn't stand cigarette smoke. One time, he
Speaker 10: was coming back from the shower and I was smoking
Speaker 10: at the window, and he grabbed a table leg and
Speaker 10: threw it at my head, really violently, only missing me
Speaker 10: by a couple of centimeters. He completely denied kidnapping and
Speaker 10: raping the young girls, but apparently it was filmed. I
Speaker 10: don't know if he filmed it or an accomplice, but
Speaker 10: he insisted that he had nothing to do with it
Speaker 10: and that he had only seen video during questioning, and
Speaker 10: he said that it showed a girl who had been
Speaker 10: forced to get undressed and was blindfolded standing up on
Speaker 10: a sofa, and the poor girl, blindfolded while standing on
Speaker 10: the sofa, lost her balance and fell on her face.
Speaker 10: And while he was telling me this, he was laughing,
Speaker 10: like yayena, he thought it was so hilarious. It wasn't
Speaker 10: funny at all, you know. It was a scene that
Speaker 10: provoked compassion and pity to see the spoor girl to
Speaker 10: be forcibly undressed and falling on her face. But he
Speaker 10: thought it was irresistibly. And it was that sort of
Speaker 10: thing that convinced me he was guilty, because his personality
Speaker 10: fits so well with what he was accused of doing.
Speaker 10: At one point, he told me he wanted to build
Speaker 10: a hiding place, extremely well built and discreet. And he
Speaker 10: explained what he actually did a few years later, and
Speaker 10: he told me he needed help to build it. I said, listen,
Speaker 10: I'm not interested. Why would I help you to do that?
Speaker 10: And he said, well, you can hide your drugs there.
Speaker 10: And at that point I clicked and said you want
Speaker 10: to build that to hide girls? And he didn't answer.
Speaker 9: And then I'll.
Speaker 10: Remember clearly when I saw on television years later that
Speaker 10: it was marked du true, I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 10: he did.
Speaker 6: It while in prison, the true one about positioning himself
Speaker 6: as a model in me. He even attended AA meetings
Speaker 6: despite never having been a serious dress His good behavior
Speaker 6: earned him several temporary releases, where, accompanied by a guardian,
Speaker 6: he visited his ailing grandmother. She was incoherent and didn't
Speaker 6: even know he was in prison at the time, he
Speaker 6: introduced the guardian as a friend, and the latter was
Speaker 6: impressed with Detrue's devotion and generosity. Of course, Mark de
Speaker 6: True knew that this guardian also sat on the parole board.
Speaker 6: Never want to miss an opportunity, he was also using
Speaker 6: these visits to sow the seeds that would help him
Speaker 6: fleece his grandmother out of her pension and house after prison.
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety one, Mark's mother, Jeanine Lawance, wrote several
Speaker 6: letters to the prison pleading for them not to let
Speaker 6: her son out. In one of her letters, she wrote, quote,
Speaker 6: I know his stubbornness to achieve whatever he wants. What
Speaker 6: I don't know, and what everyone who knows him fears
Speaker 6: is what he has in mind for the future unquote nonetheless.
Speaker 6: On the sixth of April nineteen nine, Mark was released
Speaker 6: on parole, only three years after being convicted in eighty nine.
Speaker 6: How could a man who violently kidnapped and raped five
Speaker 6: children and young women be let out of prison after
Speaker 6: serving less than half a sentence that seemed too short
Speaker 6: in the first place.
Speaker 2: What the truth is in the eighties is really awful stuff.
Speaker 2: It's so strageous that he spends such a small time
Speaker 2: in prison for this.
Speaker 6: This is the voice of Bruno Denis, who you also
Speaker 6: heard the start of this episode. Bruno's of Belgian with
Speaker 6: two daughters who lived through these times. I thought it
Speaker 6: would be interesting to give voice to a normal Belgian citizen.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not just one girl he kidnapped and raped,
Speaker 3: but five of them.
Speaker 9: We're talking about girls as young as eleven years old,
Speaker 9: addicted in the streets and then raped and abused and
Speaker 9: threatened with the lives, and all of this before she
Speaker 9: and Merissa were even born.
Speaker 3: Should have been the Jenoviti in nineteen eighty six, but
Speaker 3: my god, it was just a beginning.
Speaker 9: What happens after he got out of prison is just
Speaker 9: beyond belief.
Speaker 6: Next time, on La Mansa, we saw two.
Speaker 5: Young girls walking along the street and he said, do
Speaker 5: you want to earn one hundred and fifty thousand Belgian
Speaker 5: francs And I said sure, but how? And then he
Speaker 5: said we had to kidnap the girls first. And then
Speaker 5: he showed me she wanted me to bring her Jeli
Speaker 5: la jeanne, and I thought, wait a minute, Jeli la
Speaker 5: jean I was convinced he made a Freudian slip. Jealie
Speaker 5: La Jean had gone missing way before Sabine was kidnapped.
Speaker 5: I knew at this point that we were onto something.
Speaker 3: Nilissa Mimi not did fill Melissa.
Speaker 11: Mimi, my little girl. I call you in the empty house,
Speaker 11: just to hear my voice resonate with your name like before,
Speaker 11: and to hope for a tenth of a second that
Speaker 11: you'll answer. But alas, I only hit a wall of silence.
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