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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White tailed Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand Saddler Blind, First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go further, stay longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, and this week on the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by die Hard d i y bow hunter Justin Hollandsworth.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light. We are back with another entry

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Speaker 1: in our big buck breakdown series that we're doing this

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Speaker 1: month here in January twenty three, folkus. That's crazy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're chatting with hunters this month about long, challenging, interesting,

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Speaker 1: obsession worthy hunts for single specific bucks. That's what I

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Speaker 1: wanted to find this month were these these these epic

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Speaker 1: sagas of a single minded deer hunter chasing down a

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Speaker 1: single deer and all the ups and downs I can

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Speaker 1: go with that. Now, last week we talked to Tyler

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Speaker 1: Utter about a six year hunt that was definitely full

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Speaker 1: of curveballs. Today we've got a four year hunt, a

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Speaker 1: four year journey for Justin Hollandsworth. And if you're not

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Speaker 1: familiar with Justin Uh he films with the white Tail

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Speaker 1: Addictions Crew. He is a deadly serious bow hunter. He's

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Speaker 1: hunted all over the Midwest, chasing white tails from his

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Speaker 1: home state of Ohio to Illinois, Iowa, all over the place,

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Speaker 1: all these different white tail states, and he just gets

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Speaker 1: it done. He's kind of followed in the footsteps of

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Speaker 1: that Andre de Quisto Um kind of lineage. And he's

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Speaker 1: very mobile, quick thinking, aggressive, but a but a smart,

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Speaker 1: after year with a whole lot of really nice deer

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Speaker 1: on the ground in in a wide variety of settings,

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Speaker 1: so lots we can learn from Justin, and he does

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Speaker 1: does and why he does it, which I've really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: and all of our past conversation and Justin is someone

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Speaker 1: who we have talked to before on the podcast. This

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Speaker 1: was probably two years ago. We had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with him kind of going through his whole style of

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Speaker 1: listen to that one and that first episode with him

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Speaker 1: was episode three and fifty seven, and that one's titled

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Speaker 1: getting out of your deer hunting comfort Zone, and that

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Speaker 1: was a great conversation, like I mentioned, so highly recommend

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Speaker 1: going back and listening to that to kind of lay

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Speaker 1: the groundwork, and then with this one, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get the blow by blow breakdown of how this hunt went,

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Speaker 1: how he discovered this deer, everything he did to follow

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Speaker 1: things that happened along the way as he tried to

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Speaker 1: with his bow. He's a special buck, giant deer, old

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Speaker 1: deer um. You know. We cover everything from I think

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Speaker 1: That's a big thing we cover. We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: learn from these specific hunts and these experiences that other

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Speaker 1: right with me? Back on the show is Justin Hollandsworth. Justin,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back man. Thank you for doing this, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. I'm glad. I'm glad you can make it.

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Speaker 1: Always always, always a good time to catch up and

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Speaker 1: chat with you. I know, I was thinking the last

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Speaker 1: my pickup truck. It was like ninety seven degrees out

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Speaker 1: sweating bullets and miserable. And now it's it's the opposite.

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Speaker 1: It's like freezing cold here in Michigan. I'm in my office,

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Speaker 1: talking to justin Uh, that's funny. I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: the deer you called Woody. Would you would you agree? Yep?

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Speaker 1: his body, his his antlers, his anything that makes him unique? Like,

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Speaker 1: lot of times. And and farm land, you know, open

432
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, farm country. It seems like that you can

433
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: usually locate them. But but I've been wrong. I mean

434
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: there's been times I know a buddy, me and a

435
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: buddy were just talking about this. We know of a

436
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: book that I used to get pictures on a farm

437
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: and and he was getting pictures of the deer um

438
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: the year after that. And now the deer is like

439
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: five or six miles away from here. So I can't figure,

440
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: you know. I just think they all have their own personalities,

441
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: and they all have their you know, and just other

442
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: you know variable you know, just reasons why you know,

443
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: they want to leave a property. Maybe it's you know,

444
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: the hunting pressure there, or maybe it's um maybe they're

445
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: maybe they're a loner and the deer numbers are high there,

446
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: they don't like that. I've seen that quite a few

447
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: times with deer before, especially older class bocks, where they

448
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: just don't want to be UM. I can say this

449
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: that I've had pieces before, I've had permission on that

450
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: I was able put food plots and do a lot

451
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: of work on them, and thinking I was going to

452
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: make the property better, and I made the property better

453
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: from a deer's number standpoint, but from a mature bucks standpoint,

454
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: I didn't because it seemed like the older class bucks, um,

455
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: they weren't there as much as they used to be

456
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: when they're the deer numbers were low. I don't I

457
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know why. The only thing that I can well,

458
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: the only reason I can think of is just because

459
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: because they're loners and they don't like I don't know.

460
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I think we all, I mean us as people, as

461
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: we get older, sometimes we get like that. You know,

462
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's the grumpy old manufact right. Yeah, I

463
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: think that. I think that happens with a lot of

464
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: deer um where they just want to be mean. Now,

465
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: maybe they might show back up during you know, November

466
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: or something like that, because there might be a lot

467
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: of does or something in there, or maybe late November

468
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: when there's when they're looking for that you know, last

469
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: dough or two or something like that. Um. But I think,

470
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I think, I think sometimes high gear numbers can definitely

471
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: be uh contributing factor to maybe the caliber animal that's

472
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: not a property. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I can definitely

473
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: see how that would how that could be the case.

474
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: They don't seem to like that stress of other deer

475
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: around all the time and competition for food and solitary

476
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: betting areas and all that kind of stuff. Um, So

477
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: in this case, though he disappeared, you couldn't find him.

478
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: How how long do you keep the faith of that

479
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: deer is even alive? Did you kind of give up

480
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: on them that at some point that season say well

481
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: he probably got shot? Or were you think can man?

482
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: All the way through that year and into the next,

483
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: you were still holding out hope that man he could

484
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: be back this year, he could be maybe five. You know,

485
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: were you still operating in as if he was going

486
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: to show up or did you moved on? Well? Late

487
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: in late season of two thousand twenty, um, a good

488
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: friend of mine set me a picture of a deer

489
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: that got killed, probably like three or four miles from here,

490
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: and it resembled him. He said, Hey, I think this

491
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: is that deer that you're called Woody, And um, I

492
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: looked at the deer, but it looked like a It

493
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: looked like a five six seven year old kind of

494
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: buck to me. In the pictures a lot of the

495
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: same characteristics and stuff like that of that deer. Um,

496
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: he really thought it was. I didn't so much. At

497
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: points I thought maybe it hits him and maybe that's

498
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: what he turned into. And other times I just thought

499
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: that it wasn't but it um. I honestly kind of thought,

500
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, that ship had sailed. Um. Going into two

501
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, I just thought, well, that deer is

502
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: gone kind of thing. Um, And that's how I went

503
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: into the season. I just kind of forgot about the

504
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: deer and kind of went up, you know, I went

505
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: back to what I always do and you know, trying

506
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: to locate you know, the bucks I want to go

507
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: after in the summer. So so fast forward us to

508
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: him where things changed again continues on. You've moved on

509
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: to other deer. You've got what you killed some big

510
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: flyer buck last year, right, isn't that what I remember? Yeah,

511
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: I killed a big non typical with a bunch of

512
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: He has got all these flyers and jump coming off

513
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: his bases and stuff. Um. So yeah, So two thousand one,

514
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: so I I had a couple of different bucks that

515
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I was interested in and about, and I think it

516
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: was in July one of my uh, one of my

517
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: neighbors that um that used to hunt a farm right

518
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: right by it text me one evening and said, hey,

519
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you hurt, but we lost permission

520
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: over there on our Maine farm. And I said, oh,

521
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: you didn't. And it was it was by um it

522
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: was close to where I had killed Woody. And I said,

523
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: oh really, And I said, I kind of figured out

524
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: because it's sold the property. There was an older lady

525
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: that she passed away and they sold the property and

526
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: then they had hunted it for years and years. And

527
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: he said, well, I might as well at the call

528
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: of the bag. And I said, oh, yeah, about what?

529
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: And he said, I almost sending there were some true

530
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: camp pictures. So he said he sent me over some

531
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: trail camp pictures and Manson's I looked at him, I'm like, man,

532
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: is that Woody? And the more I looked at him,

533
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: and I was going back and looked at a mine.

534
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's funny because then he asked me, like, you

535
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: know that buck, and I'm like, nope, I know that buck.

536
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: And and he had told me he said, he was like,

537
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: you should try to get permission around there, but he

538
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: said I heard people on the other side over there

539
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: do not allow any hunting. And and so I think

540
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: it was like the next day after he sent those

541
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: pictures to me. The day after that, I mean I

542
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: was over there. I think I knocked at four doors

543
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: over there, and I got two knows because um, they

544
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: had people hunting already. But then I got two yesses.

545
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: And one of the yesses that I got was on

546
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: acre piece of added right up against the woods that

547
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: they were getting pictures of him, and and and and

548
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: he even he showed me, he dropped the pen and

549
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: showed me this is exactly where my camera was in

550
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: there where I was getting pictures of him. And so

551
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I was only a couple of hundred yards maybe from

552
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: where he was getting pictures. And then here in Ohio

553
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: and mean, we can you know, we can run bait

554
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: um so in the summertime. Um, I had date out

555
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: over camera over there, and I was I thought, for

556
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: sure I get pictures of him. I got pictures of

557
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: a ten that he was running with, but I never

558
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: got pictures of him, which was weird. So I drove

559
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: around a ton trying to figure out because I thought

560
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: maybe he might be squirting up the backside and heading

561
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: west out of that place and maybe staying out onto

562
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: some sense rows. So I was doing a lot of

563
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: glass and out through there. Some of the spots I

564
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: can't really get to though, to see him because the

565
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: way some of the properties come in there. And and

566
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: so I never did. I never did locate him. And

567
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: besides a neighbor um sending me some pictures, and I

568
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: was just hopeful that he was going to show up

569
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: on you know, I had three different places I had

570
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: permission on right there in that little area. So I

571
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: was just hopeful that he'd show up on one of them.

572
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: What was what was the camera strategy across those three properties?

573
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Because you've got this buck you're really after, you're hoping

574
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna pop up somewhere. Did you run the standard

575
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: camera strategy that you always do or did you have

576
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: anything different in this kind of like search phase for him. Well,

577
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: the one thing I did do too, because um, I've

578
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: noticed something the last few years that sometimes not all

579
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: not all bucks, but some of them get a little

580
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: funny around some of these cell camps. Um, So I

581
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that what I was doing was

582
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: not just the standard you know, sell cam over a

583
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: bait pile or or over a mineral site or whatever. UM.

584
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to run some just standard cameras too

585
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: and just kind of keep them trying to keep him

586
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: up on the line of sight and stuff like that

587
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: of where he might be, you know, entering or exiting,

588
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: you know, one of those three properties that I had

589
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: access to. And I was hoping that because I've had

590
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, I've had some I've had some times

591
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: where where I've known a particular bucks on a farm

592
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: and if you didn't know, if you didn't have a

593
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: visual sighting, you wouldn't even know that they were there

594
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: because of some of them just don't like these cameras period,

595
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: and some are you know, some of them are they

596
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: love to get their picture taken almost the seams, and

597
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: then others that they just shy away from it. So

598
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I just want to do my

599
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: due diligence and tried to make sure that I was covered,

600
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, uh, both strategies. I had a couple of

601
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: the spots too. I had mocked scrapes on um and

602
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of bucks on both of them coming

603
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: into those and he was when he in two thousand nineteen,

604
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: I had him on a mock scrape a lot that year. Um,

605
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: so I was thinking that navy, I can get him

606
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: back onto some scrapes again to get some pictures of him.

607
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: But I just never did. I never got one picture

608
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: of that, dear. And what are you do in a

609
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: situation like that where you're you're just hoping he'll show

610
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: up but he never does? Did you did you still

611
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: hunt those properties hoping to see him? Or were you

612
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: staying out until you had confirmation he was there and

613
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: focused on elsewhere? You know? How did that? How does

614
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: that affect your strategy? Well, I the way I looked

615
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: at it, I was just gonna stay out and just

616
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: wait and see if he showed up. But the one

617
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: thing I wasn't gonna do is set back and wait

618
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: for a ghost and waste my whole season wait, wait,

619
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: and you know, waiting on something that's not there. And

620
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: so I had that non typical the one with the

621
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: flyers and the jump on the basis, and he was

622
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: the biggest buck um that I knew of uh that

623
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: year that I was that was around a lot. So

624
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: I just put all my effort in time into that

625
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: year and and had an awesome game of cat and

626
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: mouse with him throughout the season, and then I finally

627
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I think it was a November four, I ended up

628
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: shooting that buck. He I've seen him in the morning

629
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: and he pushed the dough back into what I thought

630
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: was his betting area because I found a shed. I

631
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: found one of the sheds back there from the year before,

632
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and so I went in. I hung my one point oh,

633
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: which I had two trails coming out UM. One was

634
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: just beat down with huge tracks and like a couple

635
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: of just just monster rubs coming off of it. One

636
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: was kind of a faint trail, but it had a

637
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: couple of his big tracks what I thought was his

638
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: big tracks coming out into this cut bean field, And

639
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: so I went in there and hung that set. Um.

640
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: He stood up out of his bed when he was

641
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: with that dough. He was probably eighty yards away when

642
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: he stood up UM, and I knew from in the

643
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: morning because she was wanting to feed in that bean field.

644
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I just knew that more than likely

645
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: they were going to move back out, and I was

646
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: hoping that the trail that I there was. I had

647
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: to split the difference on those trails, and I favored

648
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: obviously the one with the most sign on it and

649
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: set myself up on the left team that shooter. And

650
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: so I set myself up with that trail on the

651
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: on the right side of me, so as they moved past,

652
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: so I can take that shot. Well, you know, go figure.

653
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: He follows that dough over on the other trail to

654
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: my left hand side, which was my and and I

655
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: ended up shooting him. Um, that's probably the part of

656
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: the center shot up. Shot up a buck with my bow.

657
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I think it was like four yards through the woods

658
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: and and and he ran like fifty yards and died.

659
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: But so here's the funny thing about this whole situation

660
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: is so two of my buddies are all they're tagged

661
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: out right, and one buddy meets me he needs to

662
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: meet meets me up at the farm at the barn,

663
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: and we're setting my truck and we're waiting on my

664
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: other buddy to show up, and we're going to go

665
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: pull the steer out that I just shot, and my

666
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: cell can goes off and what he was on my

667
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: camera on the main farm where I've been getting pictures

668
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: er in two thousand nineteen, that night he's back. Yep,

669
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: he's back, And now I'm tagged out what did he

670
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: look like that year? How much? You know? So now

671
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: he was were you guessed him? And he was he

672
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: was four or five? Is that right? Yeah? So I

673
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: would have Yeah, he was either four or five last year,

674
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: is what I thought. Um, kind of a lot like

675
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: he did before. It was like he had the same configuration, um,

676
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: non typical. He had some stickers and stuff coming off

677
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: of his G twos and h G twos and G

678
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: three's that year and which he didn't this past year,

679
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: didn't have any of those stickers. And so then um

680
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: still had to like to split rowse. He's always kind

681
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: of carried at and I'm just you know, just in

682
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: but I thought he was going to I thought his

683
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: frame was going to get a lot bigger, um because

684
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: the way he looked when he was young, and but

685
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: he was still you know, still an awesome deer, big browse.

686
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: But um, so sorry about my domer market. So um,

687
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: but if I was, I told my I told my buddies,

688
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, how how was it possible that deer is

689
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: going to show up? I'm literally I just shot that

690
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: buck like three hours ago, three or four hours ago.

691
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna show back up And you know, show up,

692
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: show up in there. It was funny too, because after

693
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: he showed up over there, he stayed there all season

694
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: after that. Now, what what do you think that was about? Like,

695
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: do you have any any guesses as to why, like so,

696
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: why he showed up at the beginning of the rut

697
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of and then just stuck it out the rest

698
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: of the year. Do you have any thoughts on what

699
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: happened there pressure around him or or what. The only

700
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: thing I can think of is that property that sold,

701
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: Um was when I maybe when they first bought that place.

702
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: You know, I did see them rides and four wilders

703
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: back that way, um, side by side, stuff like that,

704
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: and there was a small woodlot. So I don't know

705
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: if maybe the pressure kind of got to him to where,

706
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: um where maybe he just relocated. Um, I'm not sure,

707
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. That's the only thing that

708
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I can think of that made him move over there.

709
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: And it's funny because he was over there, I mean

710
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: all all year after that. My my, my, my farmer

711
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: buddy that lets me hunt there. Um, he kept messing

712
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: with me. He doesn't deer hunt, but um, he has

713
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: a little bit passed and he kept messing with me,

714
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: goes and he kept sam, want to shoot that big buck.

715
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, and what of I you know, he gives

716
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: me permission, So what am I gonna say, don't go

717
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: shoot that buck? I mean it's not but he just

718
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: liked antagonize me. I think with it is what he

719
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: was doing. And um, yeah, I think he I think

720
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: he can call me one time and said, hey, I

721
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: just shot that buck. I'm like and I remember sitting

722
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: there thinking for a second, I'm like, you know, I

723
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and then I was like, you

724
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: want me to come help you and get him out?

725
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: He goes, not I didn't shooting? Yeah, So but yeah,

726
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: he stayed on there all year and then um in December,

727
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: mid December, I got some try came pictures of him

728
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: and he was holding up his back leg and and

729
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: he looked like he lost some weight, looked like he

730
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: had like something going on like high and and one

731
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: of his hips but and then his and then his

732
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: his back hoof looked like it was like really swelled

733
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: up or something like. I couldn't figure out what was

734
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: going on in it. And the pictures and it wasn't

735
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: a week after that he dropped both. It was like

736
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: December and he dropped both sides, and I thought for sure,

737
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, he's this is never good.

738
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Nine times out of ten and I see this happen.

739
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: It seems like they don't make it through the Winner

740
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: with those kind of injuries. So I don't know if

741
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: this helped or not, but I mean, I really poor

742
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: to feed to that deer. I mean, we can you know,

743
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: we can date and use minerals and everything here, So

744
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I did I really put the minerals out and feed,

745
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: And I mean I just I was just trying to

746
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: get him, you know, through that Winner is really what

747
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. But walk my tail off. I

748
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: think I think I logged like fifteen miles or something

749
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: like that on Onyx track in my steps trying to

750
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: find those sheds that I never found either either side,

751
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: because my hopes was if I could locate the sheds,

752
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: that was just gonna at least give me a Hopefully

753
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: if I could, if they were back in a betting

754
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: area or something like that, maybe that could be like

755
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: a little piece of the puzzle or piece that I

756
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: could use going into next season to maybe at times

757
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: set up on him the killing yeah, so that that

758
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: brings up another question. Now that you you know he's there,

759
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: you're hoping he survives. You had pictures of him on

760
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: the Aim property again you look for the sheds. Um.

761
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: Were you doing any other on the ground scouting to

762
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: just try to better get to know the area. Was

763
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: there anything else you were doing to try to kind

764
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: of narrow or try to kind of get in tight

765
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: on what the steer was doing and figuring him out

766
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: for the next year at this point, Oh yeah, Yeah,

767
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I did a lot of winter scouting that year, just

768
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I was trying to find those sheds

769
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that hopefully dial something. But I did find a couple.

770
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: I found two different areas. I know for sure that

771
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: he was betting in a lot, And I mean there

772
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: was just there was by size rubs and both of

773
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: those areas and and the only thing that I could

774
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: figure out what he was doing was those were the

775
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: those were the spots that he was betting, um based

776
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: off of two different wind directions and UM. And what

777
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: I probably missed on and probably the thing that I didn't,

778
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: I guess die on myself then is one of the

779
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: one of the the spots it was I think he

780
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: probably not so much from a wind standput point, but

781
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: more so on a visual standpoint, um, because and never

782
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: it didn't dawn on me at that moment in time,

783
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: but later it did after I've seen him doing something,

784
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, after I seen him doing a few things

785
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: during the season, um. Because one thing I did, you know,

786
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: pick up on during the season that I was hunting

787
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: in this past season was that year like the walk

788
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: with the wind at his butt all the time. And

789
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I've I've killed a lot of deer on you know,

790
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: those edge winds and and and um, you know, and

791
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: or just maybe the way that you know thermals work

792
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: in a certain area or something like that. But I

793
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: mean that, dear, I don't know how many different times

794
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: to see him walk with the wind right on his butt.

795
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: Why do you think that was? Like? Was there? Was

796
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: it just something about his betting years that the only

797
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: betting year he could use would not give him a

798
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: good win direction to go to certain food sources, or

799
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: or just a weird personality trader or what I think

800
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: it was more from a visual standpoint, I think he

801
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: would bed in these certain spots covers back trail, um,

802
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: but then be able to walk because of the way

803
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: that you know, the area was with the you know,

804
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: with the small woodlots, you know, flat farmland, you know,

805
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fence rows, that kind of stuff, um um.

806
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: And I didn't make even even from even this past

807
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: season hunting him a few times, I still almost had

808
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: in my mind at times of hunting him more so

809
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: like he was going to use use the wind a

810
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: lot more than what he did. I think he used

811
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: his vision more than anything. Interesting. So so you found

812
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: these two betting areas, you never found his sheds. Uh.

813
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: You're slowly putting some of these pieces together, work me

814
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: through as you start to see him again. And one

815
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: of these next steps after that two um, same thing

816
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: as I typically always did. But I loaded I loaded

817
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: up UM. I loaded up the farm. Actually, I loaded

818
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: up the main farm where I've been always getting pictures

819
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: him where he where. He kind of took up residencity

820
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: there in twenty one UM and put a small food

821
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 1: plot in as well. And then on the other two

822
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: pieces that I had just in case, because I thought,

823
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, this is a good chance to steer goes

824
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: back to those you know, to that area over there

825
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: with on the you know, the other wood lot. I

826
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: put a small food plot in there as well, just

827
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: in case. I g as a backup plan in case

828
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: he decided to move back to that area or whatever,

829
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, i'd have some have some things set up

830
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: for him. Um he didn't. He never moved back to

831
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: that area. He he be in the summer. He stayed

832
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: on that main farm all summer. I could, I mean

833
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: I could go over there and watch him almost every

834
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: single evening if I wanted to in the beans. I

835
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: mean he was over there with like five or six

836
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: other Bucks and he was just in those beans, I

837
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: mean constantly. And I was super hopeful that that he

838
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: was going to stick around. I I was a little

839
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: nervous about once he shed velvet, that's he might you know,

840
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: do another disappearing act or whatever. But all the way

841
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: right until season, um he shed his velvet and didn't

842
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: seem like he was going anywhere. So two weeks prior

843
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: to season starting, my buddy, that lets me hunt that farm.

844
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: He's got an old uh grain barn there, and it's

845
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: got a second story to it and you can open

846
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: up this this door that's on the top, and when

847
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: you do that, you can see the entire being filled

848
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: out out through there. So I remember, you know, saying

849
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: to myself, I'm gonna every single evening um for the

850
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: next two weeks, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be up here

851
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: and I don't have I'm gonna, I'm gonna have this

852
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: deer figured out before before season rolls in, and then

853
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, you know, try to play off that

854
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: and see if he continues to do that. He was

855
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: super visual. I mean I could go over there and

856
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: see all the time, even after he shed his velvet.

857
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he was, he was in there.

858
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: But the one thing that he did, he had about

859
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: four different places he'd come out, and he had two

860
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: different fence roads that didn't come out of, and he

861
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: had two different woodlots that he would come out of.

862
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: And and it wasn't always based upon wind um. Sometimes

863
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: it was he come out with the wind in the space.

864
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes he came out with the wind right out of.

865
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: But so I couldn't quite figure out exactly where he

866
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: liked to, you know, like where he would like to

867
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: spend the majority of his time. There was one little

868
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: spot that he kind of favored a little bit. It

869
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: was by some pine trees and it seemed like that

870
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: was a little more favorable. But there was a location

871
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: in the field on a fence row, and there was

872
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: a little waterway that it just seemed like most of

873
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: the time wherever he came from, he ended up going

874
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: through that waterway. And I just thought, well, if I

875
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: can get a dead west wind and come down that

876
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: fence row and slide into one of those one of

877
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: those trees right there, pretty good, pretty good chance I'm

878
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: going to get a shot at him. So opening a

879
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: season that morning night glassed seeing him that morning glass

880
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: that evening again, I didn't have the wind, so I

881
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: just stayed out because I think sometimes I think that's

882
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: where all of us make a mistake. Is um, you know,

883
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: is uh. We just want to get in there um

884
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: too soon. Um. Sometimes the best hunting is no hunting.

885
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: And the next morning, which would have been Sunday morning,

886
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: the second day of Ohio season, I wanted to play.

887
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: I was when I was really hoping the wind was

888
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: switching and it was going to come. They were saying west,

889
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: a touch of southwest to it, and I was really

890
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: hoping that he was going to um um, he was

891
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: going to go into bed somewhere that morning, and I

892
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: was going to treat it like a turkey hunt, where

893
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: basically I put him to bed and that I was

894
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: going to move it. I didn't want to go in there.

895
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: I think guys can go in there, you know, mess round,

896
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: check cameras, hang a stand whatever. I didn't want to.

897
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to touch any of that until like, Okay,

898
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm going in there hunt. You know. So I've never

899
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: seen him that morning, So I was a little bummed

900
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: about that, But I still had a really good idea

901
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 1: and where I wanted to be for that evening because

902
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: I felt like two, it was a it was a

903
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: safe it was it was a safe set where I

904
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: could go in and and get out without too much damage.

905
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: It's worst case and he was out in one of

906
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: the fields or something like that, I could either call

907
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: my buddy that hunts the place or um that owns

908
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: the place, and you know, he could drive back and

909
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: pick me up. Or I could call my wife or

910
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: something like that and have her come, you know, drive

911
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: back and pick me up and and and then that

912
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: way we're going to see me get down and you

913
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: know that whole thing. Um. I went in there. I

914
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: hung that one point on that cens row and seeing

915
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: a ton of deer. The deer just manny really moving

916
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: that night, and had um several deer come right by me.

917
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: And then right towards the end of the evening, probably

918
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: about an hour before dark, he came out of those

919
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: pines and he came all the way. He was coming

920
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: all the way across that bean field, and he was

921
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna cut. He was gonna come right out in front

922
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: of me and would have been a twenty five yard shot.

923
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: And right at the last minute, I don't know why

924
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: he did this, and he ended up cutting in behind me,

925
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: which is something I never needing to do before. And

926
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: he started to cut him behind me. I thought, and

927
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: my wind is blowing straight back down that sensor row,

928
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I'm gonna have to shoot him.

929
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to shoot him before he gets that sensor.

930
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Because he gets that sensor, I'm done. And I've ranged

931
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: at as he's walking, I've ranged the opening I had

932
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: right there, and I thought it was gonna be about

933
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: a thirty thirty two yard shot. I drew on the

934
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: deer and I was at full draw, and I had

935
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: to let him clear one branch and um that when

936
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: the wind kicked a little southwest and he got me.

937
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: He nailed me, And I thought he was gonna get

938
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: stupid enough to take a couple more steps, because it's

939
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: really all I needed. And you know sometimes like they

940
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: smell the smell you and then they're like, m I

941
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: think I smell but I think, but I'm gonna take

942
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: those couple more steps so I can get that little

943
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: bit more. And he just never did. Um when he did,

944
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: when he decided to move, he's bolted out of there. Heartbreaker, Yeah,

945
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: because I felt like a lot of that work kind

946
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: of put in in the summer was like, man, I

947
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: just made this way harder on myself than I was expecting.

948
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I would rather not even seen the

949
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: deer that that happened. Yeah, he had nine of everything

950
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: go right and then the worst possible thing happens at

951
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: the last possible moment. It's it's not a good feeling, No,

952
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: it's funny. That night and a good friend of mine,

953
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: like actually my buddy that I was with the evening

954
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: and I got a truck can picture of him when

955
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: I shot my buck the year before, he shot a

956
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: like a just a stud a pointer that night and

957
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: so he's oxided. So I'm going over there to help him.

958
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm over there. It was like He's

959
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: on the highest of pies and I'm on the lowest

960
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: of lows. And you know, we're pulling up this great,

961
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: huge split G two eight point and I mean just

962
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: the probably and um and uh and and I I

963
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: remember him saying, he goes, he goes, Dude, I can

964
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: see the look on your face. He's like, you'll kill him.

965
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I just screwed it all up.

966
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's early in the season. I mean,

967
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: I got plenty of time to recover. But man, I

968
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: hate hunting them when they know they're hunted. Yeah, so

969
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: so what was the what was the next move? Then

970
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: he he got you, now, what what was the Yeah?

971
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: What what was the plan? And then walk me through

972
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: quickly to like the next moment of consequence in this

973
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: uh in this story. So after that, I decided to

974
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: back off. I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna hunt.

975
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back in that barn again and just

976
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch my cameras, but I'm gonna I'm gonna

977
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: glass a lot and just try to use. That's one

978
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: thing I've definitely changed as I got as I've gotten older,

979
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: is I don't feel like I need to hunt all

980
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: the time. Um, boy, that I tell you. Glassing is

981
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: just so important. And if you can, if if you

982
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: can glass a ton and then make your moves according

983
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: to what you see based off of visual sighting rather

984
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: than always a trail camp picture like we. I think

985
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: a lot of us are gotten really used to doing. Um.

986
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: I think you're you're picking up on things. You're seeing

987
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: small things that you wouldn't see from a traill camera. Um.

988
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: So I spent a couple of nights up in that barn.

989
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: I've seen him again. Um it was two, three, four

990
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: nights before I seen him again, and he was not

991
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: on the not on the cameras to as much as

992
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: he was either, So I definitely affected what he was

993
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: doing before. So um he started to be a little

994
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: predictable coming out of one spot a little bit. So Um,

995
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: I made a move, went over hung a set when

996
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: I got to win, went in there, sat he came

997
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: out on totally out, but on the other end of

998
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: the beam field out of another one lot. So um,

999
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: I've seen that. So I'm like Okay, tomorrow night, I'm

1000
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna be over there. So over there on the other side,

1001
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: he comes out right in front of where I sat

1002
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: the night before. I know this feeling too well, Oh,

1003
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: I know because you've I've I've followed a lot of

1004
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: your hunts over the years, and you've been through the

1005
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: same thing. So sorry, continue on. So so it was like,

1006
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know how you know how it is.

1007
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: It's like the zig day zag, and it's like that's

1008
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of just started with going what was going on?

1009
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: And and then I would think, I'm I'm hunting, I'm

1010
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: hunting too much. I'm gonna back off for a little bit.

1011
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: And then you know, I was just I was in

1012
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: that barn all the time. I mean I was. I

1013
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time glass in that deer out

1014
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: of there and then wouldn't make my moves. And I

1015
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: noticed it was probably mid October now. Oast season came

1016
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 1: in September, I think this year, and it was mid

1017
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: October now, and I noticed that he started coming out

1018
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: of that that little uh spot where the pines were again.

1019
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: So and I noticed hadn't come out of there twice

1020
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: and both times he had the win to his butt,

1021
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I need to be able to

1022
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: get over there. But I'm worried because now I'm picking

1023
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: up on it. I'm like, he's ben where you can

1024
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: see is what it is. And that's why he's not

1025
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: using the wind to come out. He's using his site. So,

1026
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: um my buddy owns the place. He was, Actually he

1027
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: was he They were getting ready to start picking beans

1028
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and so I asked him. I said, hey,

1029
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: there's any way that you could, you know, buzz me down.

1030
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: They're on the tracktor and just keep the track or

1031
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: going and stuff like that and hanging. I'm gonna hang

1032
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: the set and climate, and he goes, I don't care.

1033
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: So he takes me down there and drops me off

1034
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: and just stays there. I hang that set and at night,

1035
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: um seeing a bunch of deer mostly does. And right

1036
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: at last night, I was just getting ready to dig

1037
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: it down and I heard something coming. I mean it was,

1038
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty dark and I could I

1039
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: couldn't see because those pines are so dark inside the

1040
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: woods where those pines were. And the next thing I know,

1041
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: I see a deer and it comes, I mean it

1042
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: comes directly underneath me. And comes out and I was

1043
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out that. I was trying to see

1044
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: where it was. I couldn't tell until he got out

1045
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: into the beans. And then I was able to put

1046
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: my binoculars on him because it was so dark and

1047
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: it was him, and he walked, I mean, right underneath me,

1048
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: and he got out into those beans. And I had

1049
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: a steady, like probably fifteen win that night, so and

1050
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't definitely my favorite. And he got out there

1051
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: and he acteel like he knew something was up. I

1052
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: could tell. I was like watching to the binoculars. I

1053
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: just think they got that I got that six cents

1054
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: and they just know. And I could just tell. And

1055
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: he kind of, you know, kind of kind of walked

1056
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: out of there a little stiff legged, and and I thought, man,

1057
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: here we go again, you know. So he must have

1058
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: knew something was up, because the very next day of

1059
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: my buddy, I got a buddy that hunts just down

1060
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: the road. And to keep in mind, this deer has

1061
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: not been on him all year, and and he texts

1062
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: me the next morning, said, hey, what he was on

1063
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: me yesterday? And he set me a couple of tropm

1064
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: pictures up and I was like, oh really. And I

1065
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: was sitting there thinking, I was like, oh gosh, you know,

1066
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: here we go. You know, no push him on out.

1067
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: I just thought he was gonna he's gonna end up

1068
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: killing this you know, kill this buck. Is funny we had.

1069
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: But it was kind of funny because we had a

1070
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: funny conversation because he's like, um, you know, he's He's

1071
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: calls me like the next day, says, hey, talk to

1072
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: you about something. I said, I already know what you're

1073
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm like, if if you think then I'm

1074
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: going to be upset mad whatever about a deer if

1075
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: he walks in I've said, if that deer walks in

1076
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: front of you, better killing He said, well he goes.

1077
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: People get funny about these deer and they get attached

1078
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 1: to him and this and that. He's an older guy too,

1079
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: and and I said, dude, that thing gets in front

1080
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: of you, gotta shoot that. You gonna shoot that buck,

1081
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: like you know, I know that is what it is.

1082
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a wild animal. I mean, I don't

1083
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: want him the deer. You know, it's not mine. It's

1084
01:09:54,479 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: the States, you know. At that point, And and it

1085
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: was funny, but the deer. He don't. He didn't stick

1086
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: around over there but maybe a day and then was

1087
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: and then was back. So so you you've now had

1088
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: to kind of known educational moments with the deer where

1089
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: he's he's learned something about you hunting him, and then

1090
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: you've been you know, trying to figure him out along

1091
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: the way to um what what was going through your mind?

1092
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: Not at this point is you're trying to figure out

1093
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: you know, at least one of the things I'm thinking

1094
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: about is you're telling me the story is is I'm

1095
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: getting stressed out because of how you know, you've been

1096
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: very reliant on seeing this deer coming in and out

1097
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: of a bean field, and back of my mind, I'm thinking, man,

1098
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: how much longer is this buck going to stay on

1099
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: this bean field pattern where it's coming in out of here?

1100
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna do when he moves off

1101
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: to some other food source and never comes out into

1102
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: that field anymore? So were you feeling like timing pressure

1103
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: with that too, where you were like, gosh, I gotta

1104
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: make him move on him on this thing because he

1105
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: keeps on doing it. But you know, tonight might be

1106
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: the last thing he does this because any time now

1107
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: those beans are gonna be harvested, or you know, he's

1108
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna move on to something else, acorns or corn on

1109
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: the neighbors or something. So there's this, you know, I

1110
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: think we all have this thing where we know, like

1111
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: we have to be careful with timing and we have

1112
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: to try to take our shot at the right moment,

1113
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like you never know how

1114
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: fleeting that moment might be. Um, so what how how

1115
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: were those kinds of things being worked out in your

1116
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: head as you're trying to figure out what to do next.

1117
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: Was it like again I gotta fall back and be

1118
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: patient again, or were you starting to Thank God, I

1119
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: gotta get aggressive because he might he might disappear. Um

1120
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: to me, I felt like I needed to start, like

1121
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: I just needed to get aggressive because I knew, you know,

1122
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: any day, um, um my buddy was gonna pick those beans.

1123
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: Um he was already picking deeds other places and was

1124
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: getting was getting ready to pick those beans over there.

1125
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: And and I knew too from our conversations too, that

1126
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: he was going to put a lot of liquid line

1127
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: on those fields. Um. So that was you know, all

1128
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: those things. So yeah, I mean I was for I

1129
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: was definitely feeling the pressure to get this deer down,

1130
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: and the problem was like it just I didn't have

1131
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: the wood lots are so small, the French roads and

1132
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that, there's not you know, there's only so

1133
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: many moves that you can make, so many different trees

1134
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: that you can get in. Um, I've gotten permission on

1135
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: a little tiny piece that butts up against the thin

1136
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: the thicket that that one of the thickets that he

1137
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: was staying in, and where I could literally come through

1138
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: their yard and with any kind of south wind in

1139
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: I could I could jump up into a couple of

1140
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: pine trees right there. And I kind of overlooked that

1141
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: and it was like a real safe in and out

1142
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: and it was like I felt like it was a

1143
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: better morning set because I figured if they're out in

1144
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: the fields, then I can catch them coming back into

1145
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: that spot and maybe milling around before they beat up

1146
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: or whatever for the morning. So I had sat there

1147
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: one morning and I'm pretty sure that I caught a

1148
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: glimpse ofthing one morning, UM, and I was hoping that,

1149
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe get a crack out of there. So

1150
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: you know, there's just so many places that you can go,

1151
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: and then you start repeating the same things again, and

1152
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: then I feel like when you start repeating the same

1153
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: things again that he's got you at that point. So

1154
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: I was definitely feeling it. How do you how do

1155
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: you go out? You know your hunt? You know, I

1156
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: guess frequency then at that point, because because that then

1157
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: becomes the next question is then you're feeling the pressure

1158
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: of timing. But like you said a second ago, you

1159
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: only had so many spots you could go, so you,

1160
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: I say, at this point, you're like, Okay, I can

1161
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: either hunt the same handful of spots, like I've got

1162
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: a handful of moves that can play. You keep keep

1163
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: doing those things enough time and hope that you know

1164
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: the volume approach eventually pays off, or did you take

1165
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: the opposite, which is, man, I'm just gonna stay out

1166
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: because I only have three or four good things I

1167
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: could really do. I just need to wait until the

1168
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: perfect day and then I'll strike at one of those

1169
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: things to keep the pressure low. Like how do you where?

1170
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: Which which approach did you end up taken? I ended

1171
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: up at that point to take acroachokes volume and a

1172
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: lot of sets and a lot of um I because

1173
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: I did, I was running of time I just knew that,

1174
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, once they were going to be in there,

1175
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: they'd probably be in there for you know, two three days,

1176
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, harvest of beans and all that kind of

1177
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: stuff going on. And then I didn't know. I wasn't

1178
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: sure on this liquid life situation and what that might

1179
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: do to it, um, to the to the whole farm

1180
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: in general. So um, I know that he also had

1181
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was also at some point he was

1182
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: going to turn those fields over. And once he turned

1183
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: those fields over, I knew that those deer were I mean,

1184
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: it was going to be like a ghost town as

1185
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: soon as that happened. I just had you know, I've

1186
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: been in that situation before where the fields get turned

1187
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: over and it's like it's like a light switch. Get

1188
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: who gets you know, turned on or turned off because

1189
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: there's just nothing, you know, there's there's nothing there to eat.

1190
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna go find something to eat. And I had

1191
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: a feeling one morning, well I got pictures of a

1192
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: cell camp and I just had a hunch, um where

1193
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm where I thought he might be going back into

1194
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: bed that morning because it was like, um, maybe an

1195
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: hour before it got light. And so I went in

1196
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 1: hunt a set and had him coming across the field

1197
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: through that waterway again but was coming over towards the

1198
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: wood lot and you and I felt like he was

1199
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,799
Speaker 1: going to take this. You know, I've gotten some pictures

1200
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: of him over there before taking this one particular trail,

1201
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: and he had a couple of big rubs that just

1202
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: opened up over there, um that I've seen like a

1203
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: couple of days prior to that. So I just went

1204
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: on a hunch because, like you know, sometimes just calling

1205
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: got you know, I've done that where I followed my

1206
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: gut and killed deer, and I've and and then I've

1207
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: had those gut feelings before where I didn't follow it

1208
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: and would have killed deer, I would follow it. So

1209
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: that's what I did that morning. I went in there

1210
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: and pung that set. He started coming right across that field,

1211
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: and the way he was coming in, I was like, man,

1212
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a fifteen yard shot. And about that

1213
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: time as he's coming across, I mean it's just breaking daylight. Um,

1214
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: here come the liquid lime trucks YEP. For three three

1215
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: days straight. It was semi after semi after semi of trucks.

1216
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: It never let off, and he just kind of disappeared

1217
01:17:54,920 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: from the farm, and I was so frustrated at that point, um,

1218
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: and all that activity back there, I mean when all

1219
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: that was going on, I mean there was you know,

1220
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: the farmer and the side by side driving around back there,

1221
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: and I mean it's just I mean there's just so

1222
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: much activity back there. I was like, man, it's just no.

1223
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: I was so from I told but we have a

1224
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: piece that we hunt out in Illinois. And and my

1225
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: buddy Heath was getting ready to go out there, and

1226
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: I said, I told him, I said, are you going

1227
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: out to Illinois that I am? I said, I think

1228
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: I need some new scenery or I'm gonna pull my

1229
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: hair out. I said, I think I'm gonna come out

1230
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: there and maybe hunt for a long weekend or something.

1231
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: And then it got then not by now, you know,

1232
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: by that time, it's you know, last couple of days

1233
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: of October and the first couple of days in November,

1234
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: and it got really warm and and we were out

1235
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: there and it was like a it was like a

1236
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: ghost town. I mean, there wasn't much going on. Um,

1237
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a you know, kind of

1238
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: busted little a little trip. Neither one of us had

1239
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: any luck I mean we were I mean it was

1240
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: so warm, it was um, it was an awful spell weather. Yes,

1241
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: it was bad. Oh so yeah, sorry, continue well, so

1242
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: then I just came back after that, and um, I um,

1243
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: he kind of he just he went missing for a while,

1244
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: and I was just trying to locate where the heck

1245
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: you know he could be. And then my farmer he

1246
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: was getting ready to turn us fields over. And I

1247
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: knew that, you know, once that happened, that was going

1248
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: to be that was that was gonna really really hurt

1249
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: that farm. So, um, I spent a lot of time

1250
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: driving around in glass and and then he started turning

1251
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: those fields over, and um it was, um, I'm located

1252
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: in and I I there was a couple of pieces

1253
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to get permission on. When you

1254
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: say you located him, so you were driving around you

1255
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: glassed him in a field on some other property. Is

1256
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: that what happened? Yep? Yep, A glass last him on

1257
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: another property. Um, And I knew that I needed to

1258
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: get access back in there. He was still showing up

1259
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: like at night, mostly on on the main farm, and

1260
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: but I knew I had to get permission. And so

1261
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: one day during during the day I went and knocked

1262
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: on some doors, got a real hard no my guy.

1263
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like to the point where um, and act,

1264
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: it was making me mad just to talk to this guy, like,

1265
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, the guy was ridiculous. Um, and then went

1266
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: to another place. I gotta maybe I need to talk

1267
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: to my wife kind of thing about it, and then um,

1268
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: and then got a yes um and then then maybe

1269
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: turned into a yes. Later on that evening, the guy

1270
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: called me and he said, did, yeah, we're good. So

1271
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: I just had to go over there and get my

1272
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: permission slip. So what's your approach with this? Because because

1273
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: you've now done this two years in a row, you've

1274
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, learned something about where this buck is and

1275
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: then picked up additional access around it. That's you know,

1276
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: that's some extra work and extra stress that a lot

1277
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: of guys won't won't go through. Um. And and it

1278
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: seems like this is something that you know has worked

1279
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,440
Speaker 1: for you. What's your approach to those door knocking scenarios?

1280
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: How do you what are you doing that's leading to

1281
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, four yeses and two years in one relatively

1282
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:11,440
Speaker 1: small area. You must be doing something right. Um. I

1283
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: I guess my approaches is you know, I just go

1284
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: there and say, hey, look, I would you know I

1285
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: love the opportunity to hunt your property. I'll be honest

1286
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: with you, I'm I'm not interested and all the deer.

1287
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm just interested in one deer kind of thing. And

1288
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, strictly just a bow hunter. And and a

1289
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of times too, it always it always helps to

1290
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe if you can do a little

1291
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: bit of research on the people to um, just the

1292
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: kind of maybe have some avenues, maybe some things maybe

1293
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: to um to talk about, get them comfortable with you.

1294
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: It always helps to like when you live, when you

1295
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: live in the area, so because that gets that seems

1296
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: like it always gets brought up. Well where do you live?

1297
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: That's it seems that always gets brought up. And so

1298
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 1: that all that definitely helps UM. And you know, sometimes

1299
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: too UM maybe just hey, do you mind if I

1300
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: run a camera? You know, and don't even ask him

1301
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: for permission to hunt. But in this case, I I

1302
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: didn't have that, you know, I really needed to um.

1303
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: Well the one lady I did ask, hey, can I

1304
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: run a Can I run a camera? And but it

1305
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: was like when I put that camera out, UM, I

1306
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: think he was one of the first years showed up

1307
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: on it. So um it was I I think the

1308
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: very next day I was like, um, going right back

1309
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: over there or whatever. And and and I think I

1310
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: was in there hunting and within the next couple of

1311
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: days after that or something. Um, but he was still

1312
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: like now we're talking like now it's you know, first

1313
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: going into the second week in November and so and man,

1314
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: he just seemed to be he was on his feet.

1315
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: He he actually showed back up on my buddy's place

1316
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: a couple of different times in between there and um,

1317
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 1: but thank god, by then he was tagged out. He

1318
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: had already shot a big tank of a buck and

1319
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: and he was tagged out. And um, but he would

1320
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: just it was weird. It was like over there he

1321
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: would just show up for a day and then he

1322
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: then you're gone. And and for an older class, dear,

1323
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny how much he would bounce around

1324
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: on on these places. What's the distance we're talking about

1325
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: between some of these locations we're talking Is this like

1326
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: he came from this hundred acres to that hundred acres

1327
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: or is it like he traveled a mile or what

1328
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: I would say, Um, probably close to the mile probably, yeah,

1329
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: probably pushing them. Um, that he would travel from you know,

1330
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the new permission that I got to you know, my

1331
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:40,839
Speaker 1: buddy's place over there, and um and and these crossing

1332
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: some roads and stuff like that in between there too.

1333
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: Um that that gets the traffic on them. So you

1334
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: know I had that worry too going on. Yeah. Yeah,

1335
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: So so how are you how are you basing your

1336
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: hunts now? Because you've got these two new extra properties.

1337
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: You have your main farm, if I if my memory

1338
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: is right, you've got these two other access points. You've

1339
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: got the year prior, You've got a lot of access now,

1340
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: you've got cameras across all of it. It sounds like

1341
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: you've seen him in a handful of different places. Um.

1342
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to my mind now is

1343
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: like paralysis analysis um or analysis paralysis. Sorry, you've got

1344
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: a lot of options. You've got a deer that's moving

1345
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: all over the place during the rut. Um, how are

1346
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: you making decisions at this point about where to go?

1347
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,959
Speaker 1: Because I know that I've been in that kind of situation,

1348
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: not not the exact same, but you can sometimes be

1349
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: like chasing your tail where you get like a picture

1350
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: of him yesterday and You're like, Okay, I'm gonna go there,

1351
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 1: and then he's you know, half mile away. The next day,

1352
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: were you were you chasing trail camera pictures? Were you

1353
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: trying to predict where he would be and and go

1354
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: somewhere different than what the intel was telling you? You know,

1355
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: how did you how did you approach this next phase?

1356
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: I was probably chasing trail camp pictures at this point

1357
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: more than anything, just because, um, because I knew that

1358
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: he was getting hooked up with those as well. So

1359
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I knew that, um, you know a lot of times,

1360
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, like now, you know, we're in November. I

1361
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: just knew that that, you know, if he was in

1362
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: a spot and say I got pictures of him with

1363
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: the dough or something like that, then pretty good chance that,

1364
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: you know, I needed to be in there because um,

1365
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: more than likely he wasn't gonna be you know, pushing

1366
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: her very far, you know, from from that area. And

1367
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: one evening I did set up. I did set up

1368
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: in there and set in this little ash tree, and

1369
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: I had a set really low because of the way

1370
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: that brush was in the in the cover there, and

1371
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I just got in a couple just like a couple

1372
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: of sticks high and I was in this little crotch

1373
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: and um, I set up in there, and he came

1374
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: out of the neighbor's property, out of the thicket, and

1375
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,839
Speaker 1: he was like frantically looking for his dough that he lost.

1376
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: And he was now he's probably a hundred fifty yards

1377
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: away when he was doing this, and nothing I could

1378
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: do about it because he was over on on the

1379
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: neighbor's piece, and I knew that there was a little

1380
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: hunting that went on over there, so I never did

1381
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: try to get any permission on that piece. And so

1382
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: and he just he was just running all over the

1383
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: place and trying to find her, and UM, I just

1384
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: was trying to be I did have a lot, you know,

1385
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: like the pieces that I picked up were small, you know,

1386
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: like one was five and one was six acres. I mean,

1387
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: so they're just small, little, tiny pieces. So I just

1388
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: had to, you know, just it was more about getting

1389
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: in a lot of SIPs and so that it's kind

1390
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: of what I was doing. And then um, and then

1391
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: at once and then I went out to Illinois for

1392
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: three or four days. I was kind of trying to

1393
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: play the weather a little bit, and I went out

1394
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: there and I timed it perfectly, and I was just

1395
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I was into I was in the Good Bucks every

1396
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: every day and ended up shooting um, a really nice

1397
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: ten point um when I was out there, and then

1398
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: came and then here's the funny thing. Um, I'm out there.

1399
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: I have a good friend that I stayed with when

1400
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: I when I'm remember I'm out there and him and

1401
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: I are out to eat and and I'm getting pictures

1402
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: of Woody broad daylight pictures, and I showed him. He goes,

1403
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: what are you doing out here? And I'm like, man,

1404
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: I only got you know, like I don't have a

1405
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: lot of time in the year to come out here.

1406
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: I said, but you know, our season at home goes

1407
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: all the way until you know, the first Saturday in February,

1408
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I got a lot of time to hunt out there,

1409
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: but I don't have a lot of time to hunt here.

1410
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: So I just figured to come out and I was

1411
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: lucky enough. But you know, I made a short trip

1412
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: out of it and end up putting a good ten

1413
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: down And so I came back, got on got on him, um,

1414
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: and it just I wasn't seeing him in a whole lot,

1415
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: and I got pictures of him. One morning he was

1416
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 1: on a dough and you could tell him. You could

1417
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: tell he was with this dough. I went in there,

1418
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Um it was after work hunt and he was real

1419
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: early on that field the day before. Got in there,

1420
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: set up and him he came out on this dough

1421
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: like I mean it was it was probably three thirty,

1422
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: and followed her all the way across the field. Then

1423
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: they ended up working their way all the way back

1424
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: up to me, and it was a um. She worked

1425
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: her way straight to me, and I had to watch

1426
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: them make this slow walk all the way to me.

1427
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Remember at one point, like I put my head down

1428
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: because I had myself so worked up. I said, I

1429
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: can't look at him anymore. And he comes all the

1430
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: way in. Um, the dose starts to angle out. He's

1431
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: at yards and UM, I draw, and when I drew,

1432
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: I think he well, he heard he heard me draw.

1433
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: And then he ended up looking up at me when

1434
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: I was at full draw and shot right over his

1435
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:10,480
Speaker 1: back and he ducked the arrow or the shot was high.

1436
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: I think it was both. I think the I think

1437
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: the shot was high, but he also watching because I

1438
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: videoed it. Watching the footage, he also ducked. But I

1439
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: went through a weird situation this year where um, I'd

1440
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: shot a single pin for the last ten years, and

1441
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: then last year, one of my first elk hunt, I

1442
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: decided to put a five pin site on my bow

1443
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 1: because just um not ever elk hunting. It was the

1444
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: first time I remember el hunted, and I wanted to

1445
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: be I thought, well, I want to have multiple pins.

1446
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to have a dial where

1447
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: maybe I don't have the time to do that. You know,

1448
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: there's the uncertainty of the of an elk hunt kind

1449
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: of thing going on for me. And I had I'll

1450
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: just say this when I was in Illinois. The first

1451
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: morning I was there, I missed one high. The second

1452
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: and the third morning I was there, I hit one

1453
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: high through the tenderline. Um. And I'm just being real,

1454
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and I just went through a bad I had some

1455
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: bad mojo or something going on this year. Now this

1456
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: buck wouldy you miss him high? So you had real

1457
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: serious mojo problems at that point. How do you how

1458
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 1: did you handle that? I mean, I've been in a

1459
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,799
Speaker 1: similar situation that is a low pit to date yourself

1460
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: out of. How do you how did you deal with it? Um?

1461
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: I tell you what Mark, I was so frustrated with

1462
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Um, I I mean as soon as

1463
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I missed that shot, as soon as he took off

1464
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: of that dough out on there or whatever. It's funny too,

1465
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: because it wasn't shortly after I missed him, like they

1466
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: run out into the field a little bit, he started

1467
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: dogging that dough again, then they were gone. I just

1468
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: got down immediately, and I was so frustrated. I mean,

1469
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: it was only like I think I missed that, dear.

1470
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: It's probably four o'clock or something that evening when I

1471
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: missed him. I was back at the house and swing

1472
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: because my wife came in back here and she's like,

1473
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I thought you were hunting tonight. I said, all I

1474
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: already did, and she's like, what do you mean. I'm like,

1475
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm missed him. She's like, oh, are you kidding me.

1476
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm like, I gotta started because something's

1477
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: going on. And UM, well, what I figured I was doing,

1478
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I was I was going in the backyard all the time,

1479
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: and I was just um, I was shooting my forty

1480
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: yard pin all the time, is is what I was

1481
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: practicing all the time. And I had I had a

1482
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty that was green a thirty that was read and

1483
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: a forty that was green, and I was just going

1484
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: in the backyard. And what I was doing throughout the

1485
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: whole season, you know, I would just take a couple

1486
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: of shots before I went out and hunting, and I

1487
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: think what I was doing, um, and I mean, just

1488
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: to be real, because this is really what I did.

1489
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: Is I think that I was shooting that forty yar tin,

1490
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: practicing and all the time. So then when the moment

1491
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 1: of truth would happen, I would go straight to that forty.

1492
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: That makes sense, default to the to the to the

1493
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: usual kind of automatic process, right, I mean that moment

1494
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: when it's so hard to be thinking through everything, your

1495
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: body just switched to what I had been doing. Yeah,

1496
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's what I was doing, and and

1497
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: and but here's the funny thing. It didn't dawn on

1498
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: me when I was at home. The true story I

1499
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: got up that that night in the middle of the

1500
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: night is about one thirty. I got up in the

1501
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: middle of night to go take a leek, and and

1502
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm literally staying, I'm like, oh, I know what I'm doing.

1503
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: It just dawned because I couldn't. I was thinking about

1504
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: that you know, like I was just thinking the bed

1505
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: and I woke up, and I was just thinking about

1506
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: the whole the whole thing, and you know, and just

1507
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 1: because those opportunities are just so far and few, and

1508
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: when you get one, you gotta make it count, like

1509
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, can't. You can't have stuff like

1510
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: that because there's a good chance, you know that you

1511
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: might not might not get another chance like that. So

1512
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I got up that very next morning, and I tell

1513
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: you what I took that. I took that site off

1514
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: my bow. I put that I had a spot hog

1515
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: single pen that used for a long time, and I

1516
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: put that thing right back on, got that thing dialed

1517
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: in and got back to what I was comfortable with.

1518
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: And and and uh and I was, you know, shooting great,

1519
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: you know. And but he disappeared for about four days,

1520
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: like no pictures, no sightings. He wasn't showing up by

1521
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: my buddy's place, wasn't showing up on the main farm,

1522
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: none of the other spots, like he was definitely missing

1523
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: for a while. And it I kind of backed off

1524
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 1: and was just kind of waiting for him to show

1525
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of backed up, and my farmer buddy calls me

1526
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: and was on and I believe in the November, he

1527
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: calls me. He says, hey, because in the evening he said,

1528
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: he goes, somebody just hit a deer out here, he said,

1529
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: and uh, he said, I think it was a buck.

1530
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, you gotta be shipping me. So I drive

1531
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: over there and the guy hit a deer. I went

1532
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: over to talk to him, and I had asked him,

1533
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, was it a boker dough?

1534
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: I said a buck. I was like, was it a

1535
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: big buck or you know, I'm like, this guy's hit

1536
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: a deer, you know, trucks all smashed up and yeah.

1537
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't know. I'm not a hunter.

1538
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: You know, it looked like a big buck to me,

1539
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, but you know how that could be. You know,

1540
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: it could be it could be a hundred inch deer

1541
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: or two deer, you know like that. So we jumped

1542
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: on the side by side, his side by side, and

1543
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: we drove around. We were looking out through the fields

1544
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: and everything else, and then stayed had a trollman game,

1545
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: and then he was helping us and we were looking

1546
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: for the deer and stuff like that, and um hm,

1547
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: so I couldn't find the deer anywhere. So the next morning,

1548
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 1: I get up to go to work, and um, typically

1549
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: my morning consists of getting up in the morning and

1550
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: it's like, um, during during season, I don't I don't

1551
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: try to. I don't get up and like workout or

1552
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: anything like that during the hunting season because it's like

1553
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't have time. I like it's all about hunting

1554
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: at that point. Like I come back to that later

1555
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: in the in the in the year. But typically I

1556
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: get up in the morning, makes a cup of coffee

1557
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: and just look at truck camp pictures from sell camps,

1558
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 1: and I got I got up that morning and had

1559
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:48,440
Speaker 1: some stuff going on on a job. Um. And because um,

1560
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm a I've run our operations for a commercial construction

1561
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: company and and are I was already mornings, already have

1562
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,759
Speaker 1: the shoes on jobs. So I was on the phone

1563
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: to barely get in the shower that morning to get

1564
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: out the door. Um. And so I never had a chance. Well,

1565
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: I pulled into the farm, um on my drive and

1566
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna pull back

1567
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: there and just see if I can't see what dear

1568
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 1: that was. And when I pulled back into the farm

1569
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: to look um, I seem deer laying in Fencer and

1570
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's a deer over there. And it

1571
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: was like right on the right next to the trees,

1572
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: that the tree that I set up on on the

1573
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: second night of season where I had almost killed him,

1574
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: and I put my buyos and it was a buck

1575
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: and it was a movement, and I was like, was

1576
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: that the buck that was hit? You know? Then it turns,

1577
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: it turns its head and I'm like, that's woody. So

1578
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I sat there watching him for just a little bit

1579
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: and I pulled my phone out and I looked and

1580
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, kind of a good wind.

1581
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: I started thinking like and then I didn't have a

1582
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: meeting till nine that morning, will work, So I'm well,

1583
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I can give this. I can give this a try.

1584
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 1: In the worst case, I bumped him and putting back

1585
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: over across the street where I think he's more killable. Anyways,

1586
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: were you thinking that he was Were you thinking that

1587
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 1: he had been hit and that he was laying down

1588
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: there injured or it was that not what you were thinking.

1589
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking he was either hit and injured, laying there,

1590
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: or just randomly betted up there for the night. And

1591
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: got kind of stuck in that spot. It is the

1592
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: only thing that I could think of, or because because

1593
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't see any other deer that was with it.

1594
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: So um, I backed my truck up through my stuff on.

1595
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, I got work pants on, you know,

1596
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: like I got I um like, you know, work cheekings on,

1597
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: and and um throw my boots on, grab my buying,

1598
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: no harness and the whole nine yards. And I thought,

1599
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna try it. What do I

1600
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 1: have to lose? So I just I had a wind

1601
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: that was just blown, you know. I went across me

1602
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: and out to the wide open field, and he was

1603
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: I was. I was east coming west and he was

1604
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: looking west. So I've never done it before, and I

1605
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: thought why not? So I started in and I just

1606
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 1: kind of pecked my way along and I would, you know, glassing,

1607
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: my ranging, my glassing, and about sixty or seventy yards

1608
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: into that into the stock, I noticed he was better

1609
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: with a doll. I didn't. I couldn't see the dough

1610
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 1: before until I got that far. But she was facing

1611
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: looking west too, and so I just kept on creeping

1612
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 1: crawling up through there. Just took my time and everything

1613
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: was wet from the night before too, so that was

1614
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of the ideal situation. And it was a little

1615
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: bit breezy too that morning, so um, and I just

1616
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 1: I just kept on and kept on, and I got

1617
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: to twenty eight yards and I thought, man, I'm gonna

1618
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: try to you know, I need to try to get

1619
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: an arrow on the steer because I'm afraid I can't.

1620
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm not gonna be able to get any

1621
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 1: closer than that. And at one point he turned his

1622
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: head and he started looking. If he would have kept

1623
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: bringing his head all the way back around, he would

1624
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: have nailed me. And he just stopped and didn't. And

1625
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: then he took his head and moved it back towards

1626
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 1: looking towards the dough. And it's weird. Um, I've never

1627
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: I've never shot a deer from the ground. Especially I've

1628
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: never shot one laying down, So I mean, angles are

1629
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: completely different. Um, And where you're going to place this arrow?

1630
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: Because I always like to think too, like whenever I'm

1631
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: shooting an animal, where is it going to exit? You know?

1632
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I think that's I think a lot of times that's

1633
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: that's probably a big thing that we need to think

1634
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: about when shooting an animal is where it's going to

1635
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 1: exit just just as as much as anything. UM. So

1636
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 1: it's just weird, you know. So I just kind of

1637
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: picked the spot. And here's what's funny. Is like when

1638
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I was trying, when I was at full drawing, I'm

1639
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: trying to move my body into position. UM, it was

1640
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: covering you know, what was covering up um part of

1641
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: his vitals was some branch is that I had trimmed

1642
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 1: off those trees when I hunt the irony. So I

1643
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of moved around um and let it fly, and

1644
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 1: I knew I made a I knew I made a

1645
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: good solid hit on him, and and he ran down

1646
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 1: and then just kind of went into this other little

1647
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:29,919
Speaker 1: section wow. Um and the dode took off with him

1648
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: and they ran down through there. And so then real quick,

1649
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: real quick, before you only further, I gotta get a

1650
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: sense of how you handled that moment of truth coming

1651
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:47,759
Speaker 1: off of you know, the three you know, prior tough

1652
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 1: situations with the shots, and then you ripped off the site,

1653
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: put the new site on your shooting differently than you

1654
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: have been all year. Um, Like what was going through

1655
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 1: your mind when you finally have this set an opportunity

1656
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: after all of this bad mojo. Were you just on

1657
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: autopilot again and you weren't even thinking about that stuff

1658
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: or did you have a I don't know what was

1659
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: like your inner dialogue during this, because I feel like

1660
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: this is incredibly high stakes after a lot of tough

1661
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, adversity had to push through. This is like,

1662
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: this is a moment. What was going on during this moment?

1663
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'll be My my mind was

1664
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: in a a in a place of like of almost

1665
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: like almost like an angry state of mind of like

1666
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: just get it done, just get the job done, like

1667
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: this is it, just get it done? Like I wasn't. Um,

1668
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't like when I had to watch him when

1669
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm missing that time when I when I had to

1670
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: watch him come all the way across the field and everything. Man,

1671
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 1: I had myself rattled numerous times in that moment. This

1672
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't like that. I was in a different I

1673
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: was in a different state of mind. And I'm kind

1674
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: of and I would say this, I don't know if

1675
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: this happens to you, Like, um, there's times where certain dear,

1676
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 1: certain situations whatever, Sometimes Um, I get worked up I mean,

1677
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I get fired up to where I can just hear

1678
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,839
Speaker 1: my I can hear my heart beat in my ears.

1679
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,599
Speaker 1: And then there's other times that I just don't get

1680
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes I just get into like a you know,

1681
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: get it done kind of deal. I kind in my

1682
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 1: house called it business time. It's just like you're just

1683
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 1: locked in. It's how I feel like in those moments,

1684
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 1: just get it done. I agree, yeah, And that's kind

1685
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: of how I was, you know that, you know, I

1686
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 1: was dead side in my head of like he's not

1687
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 1: getting out of your without geting narrow and there's no way.

1688
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: And um, I think you know, you know that that

1689
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: kind of you know, helped the situation really instead of

1690
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: like I think I had to build up what I'm

1691
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 1: missed him two. Um, I think I missed that dear

1692
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: for uh numerous reasons. Um, not just you know, poor

1693
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: shooting on my part or using the wrong pin or whatever.

1694
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: But I think too, like I built that moment up

1695
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: in my head. And then when the moment, especially when

1696
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,719
Speaker 1: you're hunting one a specific deer and have long history

1697
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: like that, you you it's easy to build that up

1698
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: in your head where now here is the moment of truth,

1699
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: and like now you've got to make it happen. And

1700
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: and when you got to watch them for a long

1701
01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: time like that too, it doesn't help at all. So

1702
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: I think in this moment, it was all like and

1703
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 1: I was moving, you know, Um, I was moving and

1704
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: not being and I wasn't forced to be stationary to

1705
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: where when I did make a move it was drawn

1706
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 1: my boat, get the pin on him the whole nine yards. Um.

1707
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: So I think that just I don't know. I think

1708
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: I had a different state of mind and and I

1709
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: think I think that helped a lot. So he got

1710
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,919
Speaker 1: the shot. You said, they ran off in another direction.

1711
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: Uh it was this the nice easy recovery we all

1712
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 1: dream of? Or was there was there more to the story?

1713
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: So um, So after that, I went, Now, keep in mind,

1714
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: I had a I had a meeting at nine thirty,

1715
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 1: So I went back to my UM and then drove

1716
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:03,719
Speaker 1: back to the house, sat in my truck and took

1717
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: my I had a a teen's meeting UM for a project.

1718
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 1: And and it's kind of it's kind of funny that

1719
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: my boss and I were good friends, and and he

1720
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: made a joke kind of he made some kind of

1721
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: wisecrack or something meeting. Oh, somebody had asked me something

1722
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: about getting them over some some information or something. I said, yeah,

1723
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 1: I send it over to you, and and he had said, yeah,

1724
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: he probably already have it over to you. He said,

1725
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: but his dog his deer hunting, and and he said

1726
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 1: and he he said something along the line. He's like,

1727
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, but he can't he can't get

1728
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 1: it done this year or something along you know. He

1729
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: was busting my jobs about something about me not being

1730
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 1: able to get my dear this year or whatever. I said, well,

1731
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that. I said, I just shot

1732
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 1: him and uh, he said no. I said, yeah, I

1733
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: did he go send me a picture. I said, I

1734
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,600
Speaker 1: ain't even found him yet. I said, I had to

1735
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: get on this call. Oh man, So I called a

1736
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:26,640
Speaker 1: buddy after that, and then um, yeah, so no, it was.

1737
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 1: Um it is a pretty quick recovery, um founding. Um

1738
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: didn't take us very long to find him. And and

1739
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: it's funny, Um, you know, it's just a it's a

1740
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: bitter sweet thing when you've known of a deer that long,

1741
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 1: um got all this history with them, and then chase

1742
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: him for an entire season like that, and everything is

1743
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: just it's kind of a weird thing. I can't. I mean,

1744
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of guys I know this feeling,

1745
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 1: but it's you know, you're never going to get to

1746
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 1: see him again or trail camp pictures again or whatever.

1747
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:17,839
Speaker 1: And so it was it was funny because it's like, um,

1748
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 1: on the recovery and then like even taking some pictures

1749
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 1: and stuff of him and everything too, it was almost

1750
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of like, ah, this is this is what I've

1751
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: been waiting for. But it's a but it's a very

1752
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 1: bitter sweet moment for whatever reason. Yeah, it's it's uh,

1753
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier today, it's it's um.

1754
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: It's the ending of something that was so much fun.

1755
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: You feel a little empty though when that thing is

1756
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: actually done, Like I've always found, like like you said,

1757
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,000
Speaker 1: like you're glad to happen, but the same time you

1758
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: want to keep going um because it's just such a

1759
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:57,879
Speaker 1: such a cool thing to get to follow these animals

1760
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: and studying them and hunt them and wonder and think

1761
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 1: and strategize and and see him every once in a

1762
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: while or a lot, and and build that I don't

1763
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: know if relationships the right word, but you build some

1764
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 1: kind of connection. Um, yeah, I mean I can definitely

1765
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 1: can definitely relate to that. And I'm curious with you

1766
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: if you're like me. I've realized with myself, like I

1767
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 1: need what I found my weird obsession, Like I've I've

1768
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: almost need to have one at least that like I'm

1769
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm chasing. It's like I'll kill one of these deer

1770
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: that I've been after for years, and then like the

1771
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 1: very next day, I'm like, Okay, now it's gonna be

1772
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 1: this buck and I'm like already studying pictures and I'm

1773
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: out glassing or something like I almost have like a

1774
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: rebound like getting over a breakup or something like immediately

1775
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 1: after I'm back out here because I need to like

1776
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: be thinking about the next one. My wife's always so confused,

1777
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: like you just kill the deer yesterday, Why do you

1778
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,839
Speaker 1: need to get out watching again tomorrow or hunt tomorrow

1779
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm like, you know, I just I gotta

1780
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 1: just want to keep it going a little bit. You

1781
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:04,639
Speaker 1: like that, Oh, I'm a d percent like that for sure.

1782
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 1: I get right back into it and I'm already like

1783
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 1: thinking about the next one. And and um, I was

1784
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: just telling a buddy what we got talking about the

1785
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: same exact thing. And I said, and I said, I'll

1786
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,839
Speaker 1: be honest with him, a little depressed, I said, because

1787
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't going into the next year, I don't know

1788
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 1: if I don't have a whole lot. I think two

1789
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: two of the other two of the other bucks I

1790
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 1: was excited about maybe hunting next year, I think they're

1791
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 1: both dead. So um, um, so right now it's not

1792
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: looking very that that part of the very promising. But uh, yeah,

1793
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: that's fun, you know, that's the fun of it. Um. Also,

1794
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: it is like, you know, I always like, you know,

1795
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: I think I enjoy, you know, trying to find, you know,

1796
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 1: new ground to hunt, new bucks to hunt. Um. I

1797
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 1: always think it's you know, it's always it's always exciting

1798
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 1: when you get a new new piece to hunt and

1799
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about it. And um, you know,

1800
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 1: I I don't know, I've probably probably got probably over

1801
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks that would probably you know, probably gross

1802
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: over or whatever. And I think over the years, I

1803
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: think I'll bet you, I'll bet you out of that,

1804
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: I'll bet you eighteen of them all came from different

1805
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: properties over the years. Um, just because you know, just

1806
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 1: because of a piece of ground produced a good deer

1807
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 1: one year. I mean, it might be another three years

1808
01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 1: before it does again. So I think, you know, you

1809
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 1: always have to be looking for you know, another piece,

1810
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: um and um and trying to find you know, new ground,

1811
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, the hunt. M Because if I just stayed

1812
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 1: stationary on on what I've had for you know, you know,

1813
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 1: say I was talking two or three different farms for

1814
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: the last or ten years or whatever, um, that gets

1815
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: kind of boring for me. Um. I like a new

1816
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 1: challenge and I like to I like to find new

1817
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: stuff to to be able to you know, dive into

1818
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: and learn. You know, your buddy, your buddy Andy May Um,

1819
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 1: he intrigued me on the fact that how quickly he

1820
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 1: can go out of state and um and get on

1821
01:56:54,840 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 1: good bucks on new ground. UM. That I enjoy listening

1822
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 1: and until a lot of his stuff because UM, you know,

1823
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 1: I think that's the other part of this whole journey too,

1824
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 1: that you go on. It's like you need a lot

1825
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 1: of really good people over the years, and um, you know,

1826
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 1: and I me and Andy had chatted a little bit

1827
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 1: and then just you know, some of my buddies and

1828
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that, where you know, you you picked up

1829
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. And I think that's probably

1830
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 1: one of the cool things about you know, you know,

1831
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 1: I think you're you know, you're the o G of

1832
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: the the whole podcast, the whole hunting podcast thing. It's

1833
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, I would have died to have this information

1834
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: when I was first starting off. I mean, the infesting

1835
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: that guys have now is just um man, I mean

1836
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: I just used to you know, I'm just trying to

1837
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 1: pick up magazines and trying to pick up tips from

1838
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, other you know, the just good hunters and

1839
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 1: stuff along the way. Like I think that's the other

1840
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 1: part of it too, is like is you know, always

1841
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: keep looking for new dirt and always and be open

1842
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: minded to uh you know, uh taking a tip and

1843
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: listen to somebody and trying something out. And I think

1844
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the fun of it. I think, yeah, yeah,

1845
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of truth to that.

1846
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 1: Um Speaking of that, you you you recently posted over

1847
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 1: on Instagram about some of your your greatest influences when

1848
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: it came to bow hunting, like your most impactful mentors

1849
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of sorts. When you look at this hunt specifically and

1850
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,480
Speaker 1: the things you did, the decisions you made, things that

1851
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: happened along the way. Is there any one of your

1852
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 1: mentors or any other person you know who shared information

1853
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 1: with you or that you picked up something from kind

1854
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 1: of like you were just talking about, is there anyone

1855
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 1: whose insights or guidance you know, lad you or had

1856
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,880
Speaker 1: the most impact on this hunt. Is there any any

1857
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: one of those people you've got something from over the

1858
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 1: years that kind of comes to mind, like, Yeah, you know,

1859
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for X person telling me this

1860
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 1: or for me learning this thing from that guy, probably

1861
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: never would have killed this buck. Is there any connection

1862
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 1: like that when you look back, I would say probably.

1863
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: They're the kind of two parted. Um. You know, I

1864
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 1: always look back at the old articles and interviews and

1865
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that with Miles Keller, and you know, I

1866
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 1: felt like Miles was kind of like the he was

1867
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 1: a master at like, you know, finding finding big deer

1868
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: on new properties, and and Miles was a little bit

1869
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: in regards to like you know, we were just talking

1870
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 1: about Andy. Um, you know, Miles would find these big

1871
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 1: deer and I mean he'd have them down in three

1872
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: or four days, I mean quick hunt kind of thing.

1873
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: But um, you know, he but that's one thing that

1874
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,920
Speaker 1: he was always out. He that's what he was always

1875
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 1: out doing, and was always out trying to locate um

1876
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 1: big deer. Not not so much just like wow, that

1877
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: looks like a good piece of property. UM. A lot

1878
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,640
Speaker 1: of times he was visually seeing these deer and stuff

1879
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 1: like that. And I think that's when I think that's

1880
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 1: how he killed. He killed a state record in Wisconsin

1881
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 1: was an eight point um that way years ago. UM.

1882
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 1: I think that's that's one part of it, you know,

1883
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 1: like for me, like you know, um, you know, like

1884
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 1: this hunt going back and you know what, he's making

1885
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: some different moves and stuff like that and just trying

1886
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 1: to you know, um, gain access to new properties. Um. UM.

1887
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:47,280
Speaker 1: I would say that's, you know, maybe something I took

1888
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 1: for miles um um. But then the other part of

1889
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 1: it is, you know, I always go back to this

1890
02:00:54,920 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: is is being mobile and that uh that was you

1891
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:06,880
Speaker 1: know Andre, hands hands down. He showed me that whole

1892
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: world um and really has helped me, you know, early on,

1893
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 1: understand the importance of being mobile, being unpredictable um um,

1894
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:30,440
Speaker 1: being persistent um. Because he's sixty two now and that

1895
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: guy still hunts almost every single day. UM. I just

1896
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: talked to him today and he's still He's still out

1897
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:44,560
Speaker 1: there grinding a way after wants to take their buck.

1898
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude hunts, trust me. I go through

1899
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 1: his footage every year and he hunts every day. I

1900
02:01:55,720 --> 02:02:01,120
Speaker 1: mean it's nuts like so, he he's a grinder. So

1901
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: I would say some of that too, just you know,

1902
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 1: being persistent grinding um, you know, not not giving up

1903
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 1: until you get the job done. So what do you

1904
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 1: learn from this hunt when you look back a few

1905
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 1: years from now and you think back on with this, dear, Tacha,

1906
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:22,200
Speaker 1: is there is there anything that stands out yet in

1907
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: your mind? I would say it's probably the biggest thing

1908
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:30,800
Speaker 1: would be UM. I think we all tend to think

1909
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:37,120
Speaker 1: that these big mature books always used the wind. And

1910
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 1: this is not the first time that I've seen this,

1911
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 1: but he's definitely the one that I've seen UM use

1912
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:49,440
Speaker 1: a visual way more than he ever used the wind

1913
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 1: to his advantage. UM. That dear, I've never seen a

1914
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 1: mature buck walked with the wind but as much as

1915
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:04,720
Speaker 1: I did that one. But it's I think it probably

1916
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:08,400
Speaker 1: more had to do with the fact that of the

1917
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 1: terrain that that buck was staying in. UM. I think

1918
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: if you would have took that, dear, say, you know,

1919
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 1: he would have been in hell country. I think he

1920
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 1: would have been using a lot of thermals, you know,

1921
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 1: um a little more, you know, rolling hills, farmland. Um,

1922
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, he you know, might have been you know

1923
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 1: using that you know, uh that quarter and two wind

1924
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,480
Speaker 1: or something like that or whatever. But I just think this, dear,

1925
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 1: I think the big thing and is just being he

1926
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:53,720
Speaker 1: had so um he could visually see so much. I

1927
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 1: think that's that that was his game and it kept

1928
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:01,920
Speaker 1: him alive for you know, five or six years of

1929
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:06,880
Speaker 1: doing it. So I guess it's a good I was

1930
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's a good reminder to never assume a

1931
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 1: deer is gonna do like the thing they're supposed to do.

1932
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Like every deer's an individual, and no rule applies to

1933
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:23,000
Speaker 1: every deer in every situation. You always hear, oh, you know,

1934
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:24,960
Speaker 1: they want to have the wind in their favor to

1935
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 1: some way, and all these things. And you know, if

1936
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: you if you always operate like it's always going to

1937
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 1: be like that, you are going to miss opportunities. You

1938
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:38,480
Speaker 1: do need to constantly be looking for the you the

1939
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 1: the exceptions to the rule. You can't factor anything. You

1940
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 1: can't write anything off before you can confirm or one

1941
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 1: way or the other. Yeah, And I think that's why

1942
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 1: it's so like just to become a better hunter. I

1943
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 1: think it's um uh, you know, I just think it's

1944
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: that's why it's always it's alway is good to just

1945
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, listen to other successful hunters or or even

1946
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,080
Speaker 1: guys that are starting to have a lot of success

1947
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Maybe day've caught onto something and

1948
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, and and trying to trying to pick up

1949
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:18,280
Speaker 1: trips of the trades. You know, I've been I've been

1950
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: in the trades for my my entire career. You know,

1951
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I never went to college. I got out of high

1952
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 1: school and went straight into the trades. And the trades.

1953
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,200
Speaker 1: Trades to me is a is a lot like you

1954
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 1: know in some regards of being um, a good white

1955
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: tail hunter, Like as you learn the trades, you learn

1956
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:46,240
Speaker 1: the trips of the trade, and and you you know,

1957
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: as you go along, um, you you hone your skills

1958
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:55,960
Speaker 1: over the years. And and I think a lot of

1959
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 1: times a lot of that stuff comes from, you know,

1960
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:04,600
Speaker 1: others that you had worked around or in this case,

1961
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:09,200
Speaker 1: others that you'd you know, Um, you heard say things

1962
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: and you tried to mimic it, and and um, seeing

1963
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,440
Speaker 1: what works for you and and and what and what didn't.

1964
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: But I always think about a tradesman and a woodsman,

1965
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 1: that's the same thing. Yeah, it's an interesting comparison. Ye.

1966
02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:30,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of the yeah, the the yes, tricks of the

1967
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 1: trade that are particularly popular right now. One of those is,

1968
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, this strong dependence a lot of folks have

1969
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:45,880
Speaker 1: on cell cameras now because they're they're an incredible tool. Um,

1970
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people are using them. I'm using them too. Um.

1971
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:51,680
Speaker 1: But we mentioned you mentioned to me before we started

1972
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 1: recording that you had a little bit of an aha

1973
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 1: moment in regards to your very own camera dependence with

1974
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: this dear, Um, can you share the at what you

1975
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of what you realized after the hunt and what

1976
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 1: that maybe touch you to. Yeah, so if so. A

1977
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:17,400
Speaker 1: couple of weeks after I had had shot Woody, I

1978
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 1: had pulled a cell cam and and when I was

1979
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 1: going through the SD card because sometimes you don't always

1980
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 1: get every picture sent to you, or maybe you were

1981
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:39,440
Speaker 1: buzzing through them real quick, um, because maybe you have

1982
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:43,440
Speaker 1: multiple cameras or whatever. So when I was looking through

1983
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:49,480
Speaker 1: this SD card. I had had pictures of Woody at

1984
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:56,960
Speaker 1: four five a m. That morning, um and on the

1985
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 1: on the farm that I killed him on, but in

1986
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 1: a different spot of the farm. And the only reason

1987
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:06,240
Speaker 1: that I pulled into that farm that morning was because

1988
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:10,360
Speaker 1: I was really trying to confirm whether or not the

1989
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 1: deer bade it and um and what and that he

1990
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: was laying out there in the field somewhere. And if

1991
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: if I would have, if I would have seen those pictures,

1992
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 1: I doubt I would have ever pulled in there that morning.

1993
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 1: I probably would have went straight into work, and I

1994
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 1: probably would have tried to figure out a spot to

1995
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 1: set up on for that evening. And and it's it

1996
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 1: goes back to you know, you get so dependent and

1997
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:54,320
Speaker 1: on these on these cameras all the time. It's like, well,

1998
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:57,320
Speaker 1: whatever the camera tells you, that's how you make your

1999
02:08:57,360 --> 02:08:59,640
Speaker 1: next move. And I think it's just a huge mistake.

2000
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 1: And if I wouldn't have, if I would have went

2001
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 1: off the if I would have went off that off

2002
02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 1: that camera and not haunted, I may not have had

2003
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:12,520
Speaker 1: that deer yet. I may not have killed that deer

2004
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 1: at all this year. And I think that we make

2005
02:09:20,160 --> 02:09:24,200
Speaker 1: they're a great tool. And like you said, I mean

2006
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 1: we're both using them and and they're just they're a

2007
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:32,800
Speaker 1: great tool. But I think, um, boots on the ground,

2008
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, uh, a lot of glass. I don't think

2009
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 1: there's anything that replaces those two sex. They still I mean,

2010
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 1: just like any camera, they still just give you a

2011
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 1: tiny window into what's going on. And I think the

2012
02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:54,240
Speaker 1: funny thing with cell cameras is that because of that

2013
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:57,839
Speaker 1: added benefit of giving you, you know, these quick updates

2014
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 1: and you can see what's happening day by day, we're

2015
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 1: lured into this false sense that they're more powerful than

2016
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:07,440
Speaker 1: they really are. Like they seem like super cameras compared

2017
02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:10,200
Speaker 1: to regular trail cameras, and so a lot of folks now,

2018
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 1: I think are just like sitting back and waiting for

2019
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:13,839
Speaker 1: the pictures, and then as soon as you get the pictures,

2020
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 1: they go. And I'm I'm willing to bet that cell

2021
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,840
Speaker 1: cameras have led to a whole lot of bucks getting killed. Yeah, absolutely,

2022
02:10:23,200 --> 02:10:25,720
Speaker 1: but I bet you they've led to maybe just as

2023
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:30,240
Speaker 1: many bucks not getting killed because guys just aren't going

2024
02:10:30,240 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: out there the way like you just said, with boots

2025
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:37,040
Speaker 1: on the ground or glass and eyes on eyes across

2026
02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:41,480
Speaker 1: the field and instead of just like overly dependent on

2027
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 1: a ten by fifteen yard window and hoping they see

2028
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: something that tells them what they need and they're completely

2029
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, forgetting about how important it is to steal,

2030
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, get that full frame of you. And uh.

2031
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 1: I imagine there's going to be like a recalibration in

2032
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:01,240
Speaker 1: the coming years. Is we've kind of gotten like people

2033
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:04,360
Speaker 1: have started using them a lot now and now they're

2034
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:07,680
Speaker 1: very widespread and use I think people are gonna starting

2035
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 1: to realize like, Okay, I can't this is not a

2036
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 1: silver bullet, even though it's great tool, it's you can't

2037
02:11:13,560 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: you can't be so dependent. I think there's going to

2038
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,440
Speaker 1: be like a not a blowback, but there'll be people

2039
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,200
Speaker 1: refiguring it out now and realizing like, Okay, there's certain

2040
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 1: ways the things work and there's certain ways that they're

2041
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:26,240
Speaker 1: still not going to be that magic bullet. And um,

2042
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:30,360
Speaker 1: and I'm certainly seeing that myself too well. And here's

2043
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:35,880
Speaker 1: a little story to that. A friend of mine. Um,

2044
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 1: this is probably about probably eight or ten years ago. Now, no,

2045
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:43,440
Speaker 1: maybe not that long, because probably it's probably five or

2046
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 1: six years ago. So you had a farm and there

2047
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,360
Speaker 1: was a giant on this farm. There's in another state

2048
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:59,840
Speaker 1: the steer whoa world class mega giant. I mean the

2049
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 1: deer was around Um. He had a couple of cell

2050
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,920
Speaker 1: camps and then he had a couple regular camps on

2051
02:12:07,960 --> 02:12:12,360
Speaker 1: the farm, and he was not getting any pictures that

2052
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:16,400
Speaker 1: deer in s cell camps and the other cameras, the

2053
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:22,600
Speaker 1: standard SD cards cameras were more towards the interior portion

2054
02:12:22,680 --> 02:12:26,720
Speaker 1: of the farm. One was like in a um uh,

2055
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 1: there's a big fence row that came down, I kind

2056
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:32,000
Speaker 1: of bottled necked everything down and he had one down there.

2057
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:36,640
Speaker 1: He wasn't getting any pictures of that deer. So he

2058
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't go in there and hunt that deer that year,

2059
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:49,560
Speaker 1: and that buck was later found dead after after season. Um,

2060
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:53,960
Speaker 1: they don't know what happened to it. And he checked

2061
02:12:53,960 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 1: those cameras, those standard dusty cameras in there, and the

2062
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 1: whole month in November that year had been coming through

2063
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:10,840
Speaker 1: that that that little bottleneck like every other day. And

2064
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 1: if he would have, if he would have just went

2065
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 1: in there and hunted and just got a visual of it,

2066
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 1: because and here's the other thing about that deer, which

2067
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:25,280
Speaker 1: was so weird, is the deer didn't make a lot

2068
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:29,240
Speaker 1: of big sign There wasn't a lot of big sign

2069
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,200
Speaker 1: in there as far as big rubs stuff like that.

2070
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:36,440
Speaker 1: It was just mediocre signed. And then even upon finding

2071
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 1: the deer, the deer, if you've seen this deer's hoof,

2072
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:46,120
Speaker 1: you would think it was like a big dough because

2073
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:52,280
Speaker 1: it just didn't have that big, massive, four finger hoof.

2074
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:56,480
Speaker 1: And I've seen that other mature bucks before, where you know,

2075
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:59,160
Speaker 1: a big track doesn't lie. It's usually a big deer,

2076
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:06,800
Speaker 1: but some times, um you know that sometimes in some

2077
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:09,880
Speaker 1: ways it can because some of them, you know, I

2078
02:14:09,880 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 1: mean some people are just bigger than other people, you know,

2079
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:17,920
Speaker 1: um uh. And that's what this deer, you know. And

2080
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:27,240
Speaker 1: he got so dependent um um on just those cameras

2081
02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:33,280
Speaker 1: and particularly those cell cams. He never went and hunted

2082
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:35,760
Speaker 1: that deer. They found that dear dead and shed season.

2083
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:40,040
Speaker 1: It was like two forty something inches, just a slammer

2084
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 1: as a heartbreaker. Yeah, you know, it's I keep on

2085
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 1: I kept on reminding myself this past year something that

2086
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:52,960
Speaker 1: Mark Drey said to me earlier this year, which was was, yeah,

2087
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:57,040
Speaker 1: like these these cameras are are great. The cell cameras

2088
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 1: can give you some very very valuable information much quicker

2089
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,960
Speaker 1: than usual. But there are certain times in places when

2090
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 1: you need to be the camera. And I kept telling

2091
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:09,760
Speaker 1: myself that. I kept on reminding myself that I've got

2092
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:11,280
Speaker 1: to be the camera, like I can't be too dependent

2093
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:14,200
Speaker 1: on these things. I've gotta remember, like you gotta be

2094
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:16,920
Speaker 1: the camera sometimes. And you know, the one of the

2095
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:19,520
Speaker 1: bucks I killed this year, it was it was exactly

2096
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:21,920
Speaker 1: a situation like this where I've been debating, like should

2097
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 1: I wait until I get a daylight picture of him

2098
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:26,600
Speaker 1: showing back up like he'd been gone for a month,

2099
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: And I kept on wanting to get confirmation he was back.

2100
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 1: And then I kept on debating back and forth, should

2101
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 1: I just go for it when the conditions are right,

2102
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 1: or do I need to wait till I know for

2103
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 1: sure he's here? And like that phrase just kept popping

2104
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,000
Speaker 1: up in my mind, like be the camera, Be the camera,

2105
02:15:42,200 --> 02:15:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know, everything else lined up, perfect annual pattern,

2106
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,400
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. I told myself, I gotta

2107
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 1: be the camera, and sure enough, Uh I got a

2108
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:55,160
Speaker 1: picture of that night, and uh it's it's I think

2109
02:15:55,200 --> 02:15:58,760
Speaker 1: something that was a good lesson learned for sure. I

2110
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:04,760
Speaker 1: mean some of the couple of my probably favorite podcast

2111
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:08,200
Speaker 1: ever was a couple of different times that you had

2112
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:13,920
Speaker 1: marketing on. Yeah. Man, he's so methodical and he's so

2113
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:19,640
Speaker 1: uh he can explain. He just he has a way

2114
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:25,040
Speaker 1: of explaining things that, um just you know, make a

2115
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I remember years ago, H'm saying that,

2116
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I started to get like into like

2117
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:32,560
Speaker 1: doing food plots and stuff like that, because I love

2118
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:36,280
Speaker 1: doing all that kind of stuff. And I remember years

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Speaker 1: ago he said, you know, you you you plan a

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Speaker 1: food plot, per the tree, per the access. And I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you I've used that, um uh quite a bit

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Speaker 1: over the years. I haven't shot a lot of deer

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Speaker 1: on food plots, but I've set up a lot of

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Speaker 1: places that way. Um and it does and it works,

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Speaker 1: and you can I mean instead of I mean, ah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The guy's just super methodical about a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things that that his approaches. And the

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Speaker 1: people like, you know, there's people out there to give them,

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Speaker 1: you know, grief and stuff like that and say, oh

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Speaker 1: they've got these you know, manicure charms and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But to me, I think Mark Jerr is a smart guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he Uh, I think again. It was a

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Speaker 1: methodical plan, and the methodical plan was of he's a

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Speaker 1: smart businessman. He put himself in position because he knew

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Speaker 1: that he wanted to make enough money to buy his

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Speaker 1: own ground to be able to hunt the caliber and

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Speaker 1: gear that he truly wants to go after. So if if, if,

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Speaker 1: if there's something wrong and working hard and and put

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Speaker 1: putting yourself in the the right place, and if there's

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Speaker 1: something wrong in that, then like us, I'm I'm probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be wrong a lot because I can't fault him

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Speaker 1: for them that hard work. No, No, because you know

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Speaker 1: that whole you know what they've done with Drewy outdoors

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Speaker 1: in general. I mean, I mean, um, that took a

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Speaker 1: lot of hard work. It had to, if I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine, no doubt about that. Uh Well, speaking of

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Speaker 1: of door media, I did wonder did you end up

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Speaker 1: capturing the end of this hunt on film? Were you

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Speaker 1: able to sell film that somehow? Or if not? Or

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Speaker 1: I guess either way. Are we going to get to

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Speaker 1: see an episode of this someday? Yeah? So, Um I have, um,

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Speaker 1: I have everything except for the kill shot. UM, I

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Speaker 1: have my mess, I have my full draw I have

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Speaker 1: other encounters, but I didn't that morning. I had no

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Speaker 1: way to film it, um because all I had was

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Speaker 1: my my, my, my video camera on my with my

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Speaker 1: with my camera arms so and honestly, I it was

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Speaker 1: kind of um you know, I filmed the recovery and

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff and everything afterwards. But um,

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Speaker 1: I I got lucky take it when it comes your way.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was luck, you know that. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: that was the first time I had ever shout a

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Speaker 1: deer off the ground, first time I've ever stalked one.

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Speaker 1: But boy, I could see where that could be addicting,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like I could see why guys get addicted

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Speaker 1: to like stalk and mule deer and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean that was m You know, it kind

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Speaker 1: of got me thinking, like me and I need to

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Speaker 1: get out of Weston on a you know, spot and

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Speaker 1: stock mmulity or hunt. I think they'd be kind of fun. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be careful, they'll be new addictions awaiting you

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Speaker 1: real quick. Where. Uh. I went on an elk hunt

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Speaker 1: last year or last year and yeah, last year, and

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Speaker 1: I got one coming up in Wyoming this year, So um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I could see myself getting pretty addicted to that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's does That's that's pretty awesome. Well we're uh where, Justin,

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Speaker 1: where should folks head to see that episode? Whenever it's

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Speaker 1: available in all the rest of the the content you

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Speaker 1: guys have got coming out, so um, all of our

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Speaker 1: White Tail Addictions UM episodes are on our lowermost custom

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Speaker 1: gear YouTube channel. You can go there. You got our website,

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Speaker 1: um any you know Instagram or um Facebook, um, you

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Speaker 1: can find all that there um uh or or the

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Speaker 1: only thing that I really do on social media anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's just Instagram stuff at Mason's day at nineteen um um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, perfect, Well, Uh, I appreciate we went longer

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Speaker 1: than I expected to starry for keeping you so late tonight,

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Speaker 1: but there's some good stuff we gotta too there and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you get get us talking about this

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, it's hard to shut up sometimes, so

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Speaker 1: so thank you Justin for sharing this. Well. I kind

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Speaker 1: of felt bad because we went so long, but it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a it's to tell the entirety of it,

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Speaker 1: and it's a kind of long drawing out process and

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Speaker 1: all the ups and downs that come along with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, as far as I'm concerned, those are

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Speaker 1: the best kinds of hunts, the long, drawn out, years

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Speaker 1: long sagas like this, full of ups and towns and

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Speaker 1: uh tough moments in between, and uh that one final

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Speaker 1: highest highest. So this is this is great and awesome,

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Speaker 1: awesome buck, awesome story. Thank you for sharing and congratulations,

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Speaker 1: what a what a heck of a deer and accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, I really appreciate it. Let's let's do another

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Speaker 1: one of these in a year or two when you

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Speaker 1: get the next big one done. All right, I'll try,

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Speaker 1: all right, justin thank you, all right, and that is it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Just a reminder, I know

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Speaker 1: the season is done for many of you, but we

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Speaker 1: are still pumping out lots of white tail content over

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Speaker 1: on the meat Eater dot com, so check out the

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Speaker 1: website for our latest written articles. Make sure to be

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Speaker 1: following along with Tony's Foundations series every Tuesday. He's got

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Speaker 1: those new shorter episodes here on the wire Hunt podcast feed.

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Speaker 1: He's got some great topics in mind for the coming

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Speaker 1: weeks and months here in the off season, so definitely

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Speaker 1: don't miss those. Uh heading over to the Mediator YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel if you want to scratch that hunting and fishing

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Speaker 1: itch here in the winter, there's all sorts of new

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Speaker 1: fishing shows, hunting shows. There's gonna be some new stuff

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Speaker 1: from our buddies over on the Element coming out on

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Speaker 1: the Mediator channel here in the coming months with some

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Speaker 1: of their white tail hunts from this past year. Uh

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Speaker 1: one week in November. The show that I was filming

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Speaker 1: this past November, that will come out later this year

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Speaker 1: over there as well, So stay tuned for all that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's it. Thanks for listening. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you being here with me. I'm excited to be kicking

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Speaker 1: off this new year with you, sharing my experiences and

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Speaker 1: those of all the great guests that we have here

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Speaker 1: on the show. Along with you, It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: good year. Let's keep it moving. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, State Wired to hun