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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty Armstrong and Katty I know

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Speaker 2: he Armstrong and Eddy.

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Speaker 3: The Boeing astronauts who are stredded at the International Space

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Speaker 3: Station for nine months finally returned to Earth.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 3: They're the first people in history to honestly text someone sorry,

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Speaker 3: just saw this. Yeah, they were up there for nine months,

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Speaker 3: or as the two astronauts put it, there's three of

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Speaker 3: us now.

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Speaker 2: And I heard one of the astronauts, you know, talking

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Speaker 2: about the good and bad of it. And like you

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Speaker 2: said last hour, you're an astronaut. I've you worked your

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Speaker 2: whole life. You want to go into space, you get

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Speaker 2: to stay in space longer. I'm sure in general that's

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Speaker 2: pretty awesome. But he said, I missed most of my

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Speaker 2: daughter's senior year of high school. I wasn't planning on that.

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Speaker 2: And they're not going to say this out loud, but

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Speaker 2: there had to be plenty of things they are looking

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Speaker 2: on the calendar. Missed her sister's wedding. Not a bad deal,

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Speaker 2: you know, things like that. Maybe high school.

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Speaker 4: Didn't help you with the Texas this year. It says

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Speaker 4: in space right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Certain things like that probably didn't mind. So Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 2: was on the view YT he's making the rounds because

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Speaker 2: he's got this book out, which I actually heard a

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Speaker 2: little bit about it. I'm glad he wrote it, and

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Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting. He's worried about the rise of

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism in the United States, including in his own

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Speaker 2: party among your college kids, and he's out talking about it.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of cool. Chuck Schumer is an ancient

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Speaker 2: Democratic Senator from New York who has been majority leader

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Speaker 2: in the Senator various times. Now he's the minority leader.

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Speaker 4: Is the king of the Senate on the Democrat side.

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Speaker 2: So he got some blowback last week because he went

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Speaker 2: along with the Republican legislation that kept the government open

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Speaker 2: and the aocs of the world that wing Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, those people wanted to shut down the government.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer said there was no win in it, and

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi yesterday said she kind of hit him with

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Speaker 2: a little uh. She still supports him, but I don't

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Speaker 2: believe in giving something away for nothing, she said after that.

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Speaker 2: In that Chuck went along with it, but didn't get anything,

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Speaker 2: which is true. Nancy Pelosi was good at that. Trump's

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Speaker 2: good at that. If you're gonna get something from me,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get something from you. Always. If only they

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Speaker 2: knew what they wanted. Really, maybe that's a problem. They're

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Speaker 2: so scattered. Anyway, I didn't mean to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: So he's on the view and he said something that

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Speaker 2: really bothered me.

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Speaker 5: So we'll start here the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

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Speaker 2: wait wait, I don't want that yet. Where we're going

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Speaker 2: to start with. Remember Jerry Brown. Uh, So we're going

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Speaker 2: to start here. This goes back to the governor of

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Speaker 2: California few years back, four term governor. He was the

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Speaker 2: youngest governor of California for two terms. That he was

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Speaker 2: the oldest governor in California for two terms. He did

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Speaker 2: date a young Linda Ronstadt, which is a feather in

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Speaker 2: his cap.

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Speaker 3: Mmm.

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Speaker 2: You can't take that away from all. Yeah, but he

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Speaker 2: once said this about the way economics works.

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Speaker 6: I guess those who have been blessed the most, who

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Speaker 6: have disproportionately attracted by whatever skill more and more from

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Speaker 6: the national wealth, they're going to have to share more

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Speaker 2: It's on the idea of paying taxes that those who

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Speaker 2: have disproportionately extracted from the economy.

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Speaker 4: More from the national wealth, from the national wealth. So

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Speaker 4: success is taking money from the nation. It's not creating

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Speaker 4: jobs and money and products and greater wealth for everyone.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a limited pie.

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Speaker 4: And you took more than your share by building a

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Speaker 4: successful business.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's not yours, it's the nations and the

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Speaker 2: steward of that money is the government, which we get

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Speaker 2: to here with Juck Schumer on the view when he

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Speaker 5: The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than

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Speaker 5: it used to be, and that's why we're fighting them

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Speaker 5: so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy,

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Speaker 5: greedy people. And you know what their attitude is, I

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Speaker 5: made my money all by myself. How dare your government

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Speaker 5: or I built my company with my bare hands. How

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Speaker 5: dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,

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Speaker 5: the land and water that I own, or my employees.

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Speaker 5: They hate government. Government's a bar to people, a barrier

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Speaker 5: to stop them from doing things. They want to destroy

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Speaker 5: it we are not letting them do it, and we're united.

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Speaker 2: So again, if you missed that in there these greedy

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Speaker 2: people who make money who want to keep more of

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Speaker 2: their money. Their attitude is, I made my money all

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Speaker 2: by myself. How dare your government take my money from me? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well summarized, and so that's an interesting philosophical breakdown. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know people personally who believe that and think that way.

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Speaker 2: That you're out there going to work making money. I

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Speaker 2: guess for the government. It runs through the government, and

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Speaker 2: then you get to keep some of it, but it's

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Speaker 2: the government's money to spend on, you know, good things

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Speaker 2: that make everybody better, happier or something like that.

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Speaker 4: And other people will, through the government, take your money

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Speaker 4: from you as much as they decide is proper, and

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Speaker 4: they will let you keep some of it. Perhaps, as

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Speaker 4: the great Thomas Soul said so famously, I have never

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Speaker 4: understood why it is greed to want to keep the

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Speaker 4: money you have earned, but not greed to want to

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Speaker 4: take someone else's money.

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Speaker 2: I found that absolutely fascinating. I mean that that is

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Speaker 2: some big time philosophical disagreement on the structure of society. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I would.

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Speaker 4: Love to reduce our politics now and again, maybe we

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Speaker 4: can have one week a year where we have learned,

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Speaker 4: folks of you know, each side's choosing debate in front

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Speaker 4: of the nation, the notion of either a what you

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Speaker 4: earn is yours. Now we the people ask you for

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Speaker 4: a little bit of it to help run the country.

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Speaker 2: Rhodes Police, Army, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But indeed we have past laws saying the government gets

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Speaker 4: a little bit of it to run itself, versus the

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Speaker 4: folks who say, no, the government gets all of it.

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Speaker 4: If we decide to take all of it.

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Speaker 2: It's not your money at all, it never has been.

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Speaker 4: That goes back and then I would love then in

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Speaker 4: the follow up a part my side would would say, well,

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Speaker 4: then why the hell would anybody bust their ass to

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Speaker 4: build a business if y'all are going to take it

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Speaker 4: all or half of.

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Speaker 2: It, which is why socialism doesn't work. Should have dug

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Speaker 2: up the Barack Obama clip, the famous one that he

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Speaker 2: got beat up for a fair amount by anybody on

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Speaker 2: the right. Anyway, you didn't build that. It's the idea

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Speaker 2: that government has put in place a structure for you

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Speaker 2: to go out and be successful and so you owe

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Speaker 2: that money to the government because they put all this

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Speaker 2: together for you to be successful. The government is the

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Speaker 2: reason you're successful. That's what Jack Schumer's saying.

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Speaker 4: Building a business with five hundred employees, it's like falling

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Speaker 4: off a log thanks to the government.

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Speaker 2: So we get most of it. I mean, he whi

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Speaker 2: his mocking voice when he said, I made my money

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Speaker 2: all by myself? How dare your government take my money

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Speaker 2: from me? Okay, I'll say the same thing in my

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Speaker 2: regular voice. I made my money all by myself. How

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Speaker 2: dare the freaking government take it from me? There, I

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Speaker 2: said it without the mocking voice, because that's what I

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Speaker 4: I understand how a leech on the public like Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 4: who like you know, Joe Biden or a thousand other

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Speaker 4: politicians on both sides of the aisle have made their

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Speaker 4: wealth and their power purely from draining the vital fluids

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Speaker 4: of the American people. How actual production is foreign to them.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to have Mark Wayne Mullen talk to Chuck

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Speaker 4: Schumer about that. Mark WAYN Mullen, who built a He

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Speaker 4: was a plumber. He built a plumbing contracting business in Oklahoma,

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Speaker 4: became he's a senator now for Oklahoma. If you don't

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Speaker 4: know Mark Wayne, talk to him at the RNC. It

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Speaker 4: was great fun and very interesting. But have him discussed

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Speaker 4: with Chuck Schumer what it takes to build a business

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Speaker 4: as opposed to just, you know, again, being a parasite

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Speaker 4: on the height of the American people.

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Speaker 2: That's something I mean that I find that highly troubling

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Speaker 2: that that attitude even exists out there, let alone could

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Speaker 2: win the day.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, the fact that Chuck Schumer promotes it is

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Speaker 4: not that shocking to me. The fact that tens of millions,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million Americans think the same way.

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Speaker 2: Now that bothers me.

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Speaker 5: I made my money all by myself. How dare your

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Speaker 5: government take my money from me. I don't want to

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Speaker 5: pay taxes.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to use the cartoonish voice. That's what

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Speaker 2: I actually believe, me and me and lots of people, and.

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Speaker 4: I think virtually nobody says I don't want to have

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Speaker 4: to pay taxes. No, I don't want to have to

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Speaker 4: pay excessive taxes that are purely a redistribution of wealth

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Speaker 4: to gain you power, Because I know with one hundred

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Speaker 4: send certainty that's what you do, you make moral arguments

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Speaker 4: enhance your own power and influence.

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Speaker 2: First of all, if you keep your money. Sometimes people

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Speaker 2: do things that are really good for society, you know,

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Speaker 2: build a rocket company or charity or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: But what if you just go out and buy expensive

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Speaker 2: houses and cars if you're super wealthy for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: It's Kensian when the government spreads money around, because it's

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Speaker 2: just good spending money. But if an individual spends money,

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Speaker 2: it's not Kensian and not good for the economy. Is

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Speaker 2: fine with me, signed.

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Speaker 4: Everybody who worked on building that house and or car,

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Speaker 4: and or services it or fixes that house or whatever, or.

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Speaker 2: It's a restaurant and has employees.

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Speaker 4: My final note on this topic will be something I've

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Speaker 4: said many times through the years and will continue to

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Speaker 4: if you will allow me. You good people, imagine a

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Speaker 4: charity that can fee to clothe, house, medicate and educate

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Speaker 4: thousands of children thousands of children. That charity is called

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Speaker 4: a business with employees who get pay and benefits. You

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Speaker 4: have accomplished all those things I described by starting a

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Speaker 4: successful business.

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Speaker 2: They don't see it that way. On the left, I made.

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Speaker 5: My money all by myself. How dare your government take

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Speaker 5: my money from me? I don't want to pay taxes?

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Speaker 2: True?

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Speaker 4: That is true if this were not being broadcast live.

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Speaker 4: I have a simple two word response that rhymes with duck.

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Speaker 2: Who any take on that text line four one five

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Speaker 2: two nine five KFTC have a number of big.

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Speaker 4: Topics to get to Trump and putin Trump versus the courts.

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Speaker 4: We're already socialists and medicine and much more. But I

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Speaker 4: thought we'd pause and enjoy this. A note from man

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Speaker 4: I got a memory like an old guy. I wonder why?

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Speaker 4: From Juliana, who uh who writes I'll see your theory

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Speaker 4: of water and I raise you future lesbian dance theory

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Speaker 4: professors and their their graduate degrees and their theses. So

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Speaker 4: that was referring to the featurette we did you see?

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Speaker 4: Berkeley's lecture series included some woman lecturing about the theory

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Speaker 4: I'm studying the unseen body and creative spaces of erasure

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Speaker 2: Gary. Do we have jobs for that? Called Starbucks? Do

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Speaker 4: I study decolonial intimacies indigenous politics of resistance. Now all right, okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you wait till democrats are in the White House.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty on the streets of Herson, anyone is

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Speaker 2: Here's something you might not know. It's been described various

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Speaker 8: After more than two hours speaking directly to President Trump,

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Speaker 2: So ABC, portraying it is did not agree to the

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Speaker 4: He's one of the lead diplomats who's work in the

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Speaker 9: I am certainly hopeful that the Ukrainians will agree to it.

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Speaker 2: Here's the dispatches take on it today. Vladimir Putin agreed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we will cease hostilities in any avenue of war

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Speaker 2: Both Russia and Ukraine accused one another of launching air

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Speaker 2: exactly where Putin wants it to be. Long delays, a

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Speaker 2: You have you know, the various statements that, well, we're

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Speaker 4: That's the obvious takeaway from Tuesday's two hour call between

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Speaker 2: Putin is more guarded.

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Speaker 4: In the longer Kremlin version, friendly but un yielding on

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Speaker 4: quote in attacks on energy infrastructure facilities. Ukraine had endorsed

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Speaker 4: Trump's proposal for a seafire on all fronts for that

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Speaker 4: period it highlighted differences more than agreement.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, you know that happens a lot

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Speaker 2: of times at the very beginning of a negotiation. Again,

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Speaker 2: for the tenth time, I'm reading a book about the

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Speaker 2: I mean, they started as far apart as you could

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Speaker 2: why Putin would agree to this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And if Saddad had already gobbled up thirty percent

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't have been there. No, no, And he thought,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take over all of Israel. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Back to the Middle East piece talks back in

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Speaker 2: the seventies completely situation, and that it would be like

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Speaker 2: if Ukraine had just defeated Russia a couple of times

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Speaker 2: in the last couple of years. Do you want it again?

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Speaker 2: Do you want us to kick your ass again and

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Speaker 2: take more of your country or are you gonna stop?

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Speaker 2: Ukraine would be saying to Russia the way Israel said

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Speaker 2: to Egypt and the surrounding countries. But that ain't the situation. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, your original point remains. Sometimes you

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Speaker 4: seem to be miles and miles apart, and that stuff

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Speaker 4: the Washington Post. Putin made maximalist initial demands to prevent

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Speaker 4: quote escalation of the conflict. He said, the United States

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Speaker 4: and its allies must accept quote complete cessation of foreign

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Speaker 4: military aid and the provision of intelligence information to KIV.

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Speaker 4: Of course, that would make it much much more vulnerable

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Speaker 4: to devastating Russia attacks. Yeah, and Putin, who's unprovoked assaults

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Speaker 4: began this war three years ago painted Ukraine as the villain.

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Speaker 4: The Kremlin account said Keev had sabotaged and violated past

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Speaker 4: agreements and committed barb barrack terrorist crimes in its invasion

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Speaker 4: of the Curse region and shown an inability to negotiate. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's rich. Let's see the Wall Street editorial board. Putin

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Speaker 4: rejects the Trump cease fire the Russians wants. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: the Russian wants much bigger concessions that.

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Speaker 2: Would cripple Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Uh Trump's call with Putin signals long road ahead to

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Speaker 4: Russia Ukraine deal. The Russian leader did not agree to

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Speaker 4: a full cease fire and presented his own demands stand

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Speaker 4: the fighting. In the New York Post pointing out shameless

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Speaker 4: Putin snubs Trump as he plunges Ukrainian city into darkness.

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Speaker 4: Russia left the Ukrainian city in total darkness overnight Wednesday

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Speaker 4: after launching drones targeting energy infrastructure in two hospitals, less

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Speaker 4: than two hours after pleasure President Vladimir Putin promised Trump

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Speaker 4: he would halt such attacks.

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Speaker 2: I meant to lead with this gallop polling that came

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Speaker 2: out yesterday just to bolster my own opinion that want.

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Speaker 2: I want Russia to get booted out and be too

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Speaker 2: scared to ever try this again. And I want us

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Speaker 2: to arm and do whatever we got to do to

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Speaker 2: help Ukraine. That's been my basis. You're a neocon, still

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Speaker 2: my position. I had a point on this. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe my point will come back. But this polling yesterday

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Speaker 2: from Gallup, USA not doing enough? Is it forty six percent?

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Speaker 2: It's up sixteen points since December. Why has USA not

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Speaker 2: doing enough gone up sixteen points since December? Anyway, if

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Speaker 2: you combine that with the right amount, you're at about

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Speaker 2: seventy percent. Between right amount and not doing enough seventy percent.

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Speaker 2: So those of you who really hate this, you're you're

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Speaker 2: definitely in the minority. USA doing too much is thirty percent.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you're wrong, but you're in the minority politically

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Speaker 2: right right. I'd love to talk to jd Vance about

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Speaker 2: all this stuff. Maybe he puts out he'll billy Elogy

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Speaker 2: two the Ukraine years now.

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Speaker 4: It's personal or right, I don't know, electric Googaloo, I

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Speaker 4: don't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is what I's gonna say. I hope the

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Speaker 2: best bet for people like me who want to do

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Speaker 2: more to help Ukraine and punish Russia. Is Trump gets

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Speaker 2: butt hurt, Trump gets personally offended, feels like Putin's punking

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Speaker 2: him on the world stage, and he's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's it. That's that's my hope is that Trump's personality

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Speaker 2: gets wounded and and and and then that drives him

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Speaker 2: to like do what we can do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of sad, but that would get it done. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that may be the only thing that gets it done.

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Speaker 4: Putin is an incredibly skilled, manipulating manipulator of human beings.

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Speaker 4: He's working hard to make that not happen. Although that

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Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, don't worry about it. I'll get to

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Speaker 4: the call when I get to it. Thing in public

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Speaker 4: with the oligarchs. That was interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, we got a lot more on the way. Uh,

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Speaker 2: there's something I want to tease was really good. Better

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Speaker 2: remember what it was, so.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what hour three for me. One thing

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Speaker 4: I really want to get to is Trump versus the courts.

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Speaker 4: Is it a constitutional crisis? The Chief Justice admonishing the president?

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Speaker 4: What does it all mean?

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Speaker 2: If you can get away from the mega woke mega woke, it's.

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Speaker 4: Some pretty interesting wrestling matches going on between the executive

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Speaker 4: branch and the courts right now worth taking a look at.

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Speaker 2: And there's another pull out about people's attitudes on the whole.

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Speaker 2: Dudes in women's sports, how long are you gonna fight

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Speaker 2: this battle? Anyway? Stay here. Kanye West dropped a new

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Speaker 2: song over the weekend featuring his daughter North and Diddy.

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Speaker 2: Kanye put his eleven year old daughter on a song

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Speaker 2: with well, if there's one guy you aren't working with

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Speaker 2: your kid, it's uncle baby Oil for sure. And Kim Kardashian,

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Speaker 2: who's the mom, was really unhappy about that. And I

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Speaker 2: read something about trying to get a judge to some

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that actually ever came to anything. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Kanye's on a roll.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he deleted the track after she served him paper.

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Speaker 4: She's got her daughter's name copyrighted, by the way, trademarked because.

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Speaker 2: You're a Kardashian and that's the way you roll. So

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Speaker 2: ye his yee feed, he's got a Kanye West on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: and then he's got his yee feed, which has thirty

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Speaker 2: three million followers. Of course, a big chunk of those

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Speaker 2: are just there to watch the car wreck right right.

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Speaker 4: It's not like you folding car wreck. Yeah, train rack

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Speaker 4: can So how.

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Speaker 2: Many tweets, Katie, You've been following this more closely than us,

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Speaker 2: You've read through the tweets. You have any idea how

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Speaker 2: many tweets he put out yesterday? Because I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: these are all seven and eight hours old, so and

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Speaker 2: there's just a stream, a stream of them from overnight,

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Speaker 2: and there's easily over one hundred and he's still going

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Speaker 2: right now. Okay, they're all caps, all capital letters, and like,

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Speaker 2: I'll just read a random one and all caps. The

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Speaker 2: only thing that I was mad about in the last

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Speaker 2: few hours was taking that jay Z and Beyonce tweet down.

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Speaker 2: Dame Dash signed me, by the way, not jay Z.

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Speaker 2: So he's in some sort of beef with that couple.

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Speaker 2: What do you know what tweet he took down? When

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Speaker 2: he I mean, if if he took it down, if

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Speaker 2: it was too much for him, it must have really

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Speaker 2: been something. I can't remember exactly what the tweet was,

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Speaker 2: but it had something to do with their kids. What's

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Speaker 2: what's interesting about this? Now you're saying he actually he

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Speaker 2: had to take down his song. So Kim Kardashian's legal

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Speaker 2: maneuvers must have done something. So do you see where

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Speaker 2: he's selling Black Clan robes, which he describes as supple

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Speaker 2: and soft. I did not what's a black Clan robe?

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Speaker 2: It's a KKK robe, but it's black. But like, what's

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Speaker 2: the message there? The messages? I'm psychotic? But is he?

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Speaker 2: So that's what I was trying to say. So he

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Speaker 2: took down some tweet about jay Z and Beyonce and

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Speaker 2: they got a lot of money in power and lawyers,

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Speaker 2: and he took down his song because Kim Kardashian went

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Speaker 2: to a judge. So he's not so crazy that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't get that, like when he's crossed the line into

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Speaker 2: damaging some self financially or jail time or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So what is that? Are you?

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Speaker 4: You're asking for a logical description of a profound mental illness, But.

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Speaker 2: He's not so mentally ill that he doesn't get reality

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Speaker 2: at some level, which makes you have to wonder how

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Speaker 2: much of it is just he could control this but

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Speaker 2: he didn't care. Oh, I don't. I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: you at all, you don't think so somebody as.

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Speaker 4: Mentally ill as Kanye is not consistent. That's that's part

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Speaker 4: of the deal. Man, go through more of those tweets.

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Speaker 4: Holy cow, No, this is this is a man who

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Speaker 4: has a serious mental illness but enough money to keep

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Speaker 4: the normal forces at bad.

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Speaker 2: Do you think lawyers come to him and say, hey, hey, yay,

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Speaker 2: you got to take down the song because Kim's lawyer

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Speaker 2: says blah blah blah, and he says, oh, all right,

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Speaker 2: I think it's like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be, yeah, based on his affection for

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Speaker 4: the child and maybe Kim still because he famously didn't

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Speaker 4: want to be sent packing.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's actually a Nazi? No, he's mentally ill,

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Speaker 2: So you don't. You're answered all these questions to be

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Speaker 2: he's mentally ill. Yes, oh yeah, m hm hm. Why

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Speaker 2: does do this? Because he mentally ill? Why doesn't he

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Speaker 2: do that? So it's his Super Bowl ad which pointed

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Speaker 2: you to his website that only sold sweatshirts with a

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Speaker 2: swastik on it see above answer. So this is what

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Speaker 2: it'd be like to be crazy if you had a

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Speaker 2: ton of money. Yeah, yeah, essentially, which we've never really

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Speaker 2: seen displayed like this before other than maybe Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Howard Hughes back in the day another great example, although

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Speaker 2: he kept to himself. He's famously erect. Clue Kanye not

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Speaker 2: so much. Yeah, Howard chuses more long fingernails and toenails

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Speaker 2: in a hotel room. Kanye is more of a I'm

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Speaker 2: down with Nazis. Oh, I wonder how this is going

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