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Speaker 1: booked The Chosen, and here we are five seasons later.

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Speaker 2: You're playing Jesus over a long haul. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: I remember in the first season, I became very self

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Speaker 2: I'm Raven Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande. Jonathan Roomy or

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Speaker 2: streaming Jesus, depending on your perspective, is coming out to

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Speaker 2: talk about the new season of The Chosen, how playing

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Speaker 2: Jesus has changed him and the faith that sustains his work.

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Speaker 2: Subscribing like the Arroyo Grande podcast. Get your notifications, go

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Speaker 2: ahead click them now. Why do you want to miss

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Speaker 2: an episode? First, a little free flow. Did you see

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Speaker 2: Luigi Maggioni being dragged into the Manhattan Criminal Court the

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Speaker 2: other day? Now, when an accused murderer is paraded into court,

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Speaker 2: Within twenty four hours of his court appearance, searches of

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Speaker 2: Luigi Maggione's loafers leapt one thousand, four hundred percent. The

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Speaker 2: of Maggioni's fangirls said she has Luigi fever. No, my dear,

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Speaker 2: According to Pew's research. Their latest study, sixty two percent

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Speaker 1: you're like free to just be. So Yeah, it is.

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00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: It is a strange art, but that's that's the excitement

436
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: of doing it.

437
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: How how has Jesus changed for you in these five seasons?

438
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: I know this last season had to be emotionally. You're

439
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: playing a different part of Jesus here. And this is

440
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: no longer really the public ministry. This is the private

441
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: the beginning of the private torture.

442
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jus.

443
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: Run for a long My house should be called a

444
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: house of prayer, but you make it a den of feet?

445
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: By what authority are you doing these things?

446
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: My own?

447
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: How did it change? I know it had to shift

448
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: your understanding of Him and what he personally went through

449
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: in these moments.

450
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jesus doesn't change. I change my understanding

451
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: hopefully increases in the search to in the seeking of

452
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: this communion, this emotional communion, the spiritual communion with his

453
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: experience on earth. I think I have to be open

454
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: to the possibilities of gaining deeper insights as to what

455
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: he might have went through. And for me, I guess

456
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: the way that I would describe that for this past

457
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: season would be a deeper connection to his pain and

458
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: his loneliness and his isolation, especially with his friends, the

459
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: people that he spent three years with, and then knowing

460
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: that they're for the most part, all of them are

461
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: going to lead in his hour of need, and knowing

462
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: that before they know it, and trying to reconcile and

463
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: not show that. And then especially with regards to Judas,

464
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: knowing that he was chosen, and he was picked and

465
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: he did signs and wonders, you know, when he was

466
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: sent out just like the rest of them did and

467
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: didn't work out for them coming back.

468
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is always I mean, this is to

469
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: me just looking at this, I always marvel it the

470
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: guts it takes to play a role like this. I

471
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: look at you in Cavisel and I go, oh, that's

472
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: tough stuff, because you're dealing with a character. If I

473
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: can use the term, he's got complete understanding. I mean

474
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 2: you think of the child Jesus. Yeah, I'm always a

475
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: marvel a gas at the child Jesus because at some

476
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: point at the age of reason, church fathers believe he

477
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: looks at the adults and he suddenly I mean the

478
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: reason he's preaching in the temple at twelve is because

479
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: he was probably giving orders to the family at mine.

480
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: You know, his understanding of what was happening, and the

481
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: humility of the parents to sit back urgin Mary and

482
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Joseph to look at this and go, WHOA, what do

483
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: we This is nobody signed up for anything like this before.

484
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: So as he reaches we miss an email or something.

485
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Is there a God for this kid? I mean the

486
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: depth of that, the humility of that too, And I'm

487
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: sure this is the same thing you're getting at. He

488
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: knows when he looks in the eyes, in the hearts

489
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 2: of these people, he knows. And how do you portray

490
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: that as an actor? I love you, but I know

491
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: what you're going to do. Yeah, come back, but I

492
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: know where you're going. That's a difficult thing to play.

493
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I think that we recently released

494
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: that very scene where it's sort of a precursor to

495
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: the betrayal and what was Judas trying to do? What

496
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: was Judas hoping to accomplish with Jesus as the Messiah figurehead,

497
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: the Davidic understanding of a Messiah versus Jesus was actually

498
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: going to do as Messiah, and what would that conversation

499
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: have looked like, and what happens after that conversation and

500
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: what happens with Jesus and what happens with Judas and

501
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, that scenes actually on the live stream that

502
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: we just had all that. It's really I think there

503
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: was a moment where that was one of those scenes

504
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: where four or five takes or ten takes before I

505
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: didn't have that reaction at the end, and you know,

506
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: to give too much away, And then there was one

507
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: take where all of a sudden, the reality of my

508
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: friend knowing that I've lost him was too much to bear,

509
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: and I wept for him. And I didn't know. I

510
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: think we had talked about it, and I didn't think

511
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: that they were going to use that because I thought

512
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: it might be a little too early. But when I

513
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: saw it in the cutouts, like it works great because

514
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it's that's exactly what we're talking about, Like, how could

515
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: he what would he have felt going through the human

516
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: part of him, the fully completely human part of him,

517
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: what would he experience knowing that that's happening and he

518
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: knows it's going to happen.

519
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: And answer me, give me an honest answer on this.

520
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 2: The worst and the best part of the fifth season.

521
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: Worst part first, because I love bad news up front.

522
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: The worst part, the worst part of the season, like

523
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: in the story.

524
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: No, in the shooting, in the world, in the work.

525
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: This is an easy as for you.

526
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Gosh, sixteen page scenes, I mean, more dialogue than I've

527
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. But also simultaneously that becomes

528
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: the best part because these scenes are amazing. Yeah, I

529
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: mean Jesus essentially flipping tables in the marketplace, Like when

530
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: when do you get to how often have we seen that?

531
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

532
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: Portrayed not very often, very rare, And so I kind

533
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: of feel and we build up to it in a

534
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: way that it's right out of scripture, and you see

535
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: for the first time in many cases, how he got

536
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: to that point, why he got to that point, what

537
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: drove him to that point, knowing when he did get

538
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to that point that that was going to seal the deal.

539
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then there was no turning back. He

540
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: knew he had. So we sort of chart.

541
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: All of that you've also you've also been playing a

542
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: very loving, concerned connected Jesus. That scene had to be

543
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: very different for you.

544
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: With the fury.

545
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: The race's justifiable line.

546
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Is great though, that's so fun.

547
00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: You've been building up.

548
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I've seen it all, man, I've been waiting for that.

549
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: But it's the it's the righteous wrath of God seeing

550
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: his people being just completely taken advantage of by people

551
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: who profess to be priests, you know, high priests that

552
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: are just just completely and he snaps, yeah, yeah, I

553
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: mean taking advantage of is I mean extortion? It was

554
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: extortion for the poorest of the poor during this this

555
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: wholy during the passover, right like the most holy time,

556
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: where people had nothing were being extorted. I think fifty

557
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: sixty times, you know what they would pay for an

558
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: animal for sacrifice, and like just the taxation. There was

559
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: so much that just drove him to say, that's all

560
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: I can stand. I can't stand no more.

561
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: That's it.

562
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: That's it.

563
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: Does your team ever look you and say, Jonathan, let's

564
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: be very careful about this Jesus thing. No more Jesus

565
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: is no more holy men. Is that part of the conversation?

566
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet.

567
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: No no, because I mean.

568
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: Because it's not on one off. I'm going to say

569
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: this again. Yeah, you're not playing him in one film,

570
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: You're playing him over many years, so multiple generations are

571
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: getting a taste of you in this role, and you

572
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: are so identified with that role. Is that a concern

573
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: for you as an actor?

574
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: You know? I think I gave up that concern when

575
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: I got the job. When when this job came to me,

576
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: I had nothing, and I knew that anything that came

577
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: to me was from God's hand, and that whatever he

578
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: willed for my life, whatever he wanted me to do,

579
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: whatever came to me, I would always kind of discern

580
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: it through him and say, is Sis, what do you

581
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: think should we do this one? You know? So would

582
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: I do another long form series as a as a

583
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: preacher type? Probably not. I'd like to do other things.

584
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I think when you've played Jesus as far as holy

585
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: man goes, I mean, where can I go into there?

586
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: And quite little like yeah, so, you know, But for

587
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: films I have, I mean, I've got ideas and other

588
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: projects that I'm working on that that are relating to

589
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: the stories, wonderful stories of various holy Men throughout history

590
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: that are just fascinating. That would be fascinating to play more,

591
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: most likely films, but not not TV.

592
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: Serious Okay, but you'd be open to playing other saintly figures.

593
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, if the script is great, it's got to

594
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: be great.

595
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about Solomeo, this new Kevin James movie,

596
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: a rom com to rom com, and you play.

597
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: A non saint, not a holy man. I play. I

598
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: play a guy who's one half of a couple that

599
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: is in this story. So basically, Solomeo is the story

600
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: of a guy played by Kevin James, Matt who gets

601
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: stood up on his wedding day by his fiance in Rome.

602
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: So he gets convinced to go on his honeymoon anyway

603
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: because it's a non refundable package. Of course, so he's

604
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: got the package, he might as well while he's figuring

605
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: out what went wrong, take the trip, and there he

606
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: meets these two kind of quirky, wacky couples that are

607
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: part of this same package of honeymooners, American honeymooners in Rome.

608
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: I see that.

609
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: See he's by himself doing all these things like tandem

610
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: bike riding by himself, rowing a canoe in like this

611
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: lover's pond by himself, and so we're like, we need

612
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: to fix that guy and help them. And so I

613
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: played Neil, a therapist who sees Matt as an opportunity

614
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: to fix him. Little do we know, I'm actually a

615
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: physical therapist, not a psychotherapist. But I've got some delusions

616
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: of grandeur and hilarity ensuit and.

617
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: You're doing your Did you enjoy it playing the comedy?

618
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: It was a blast? Yeah. I mean I started in comedy,

619
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, Celebrity Deathmatch and then a lot of the

620
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: most of the on camera TV projects that I've had

621
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: common comedies.

622
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Well, the comedic touch helps for Jesus too. I see

623
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: the I see the comedy glint. When you played Jesus,

624
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: which is just a human will it humanizes that's right,

625
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: it makes him human. Without that, he's he's a little untouchable.

626
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: He's so remote, but it becomes too mystical and not human, right,

627
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, like when you start denying Jesus is humanity,

628
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: that's a problem. If you deny his divinity, it's a problem.

629
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: You have to accept the hypostatic union of fully god

630
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: fully man minus the sin, and there you have Jesus.

631
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: And so that's the balance of playing him well.

632
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: I like that you bring that little touch to it.

633
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: It makes it a full portrait. Tell me about Unbound.

634
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: This is an organization you get involved with in twenty nineteen.

635
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: That's right?

636
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: Why how did this come to be? You sponsor a child?

637
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: How does that work?

638
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: So in twenty nineteen, I in an attempt to, I think,

639
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: just show gratitude to God for what he had given

640
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: me in this first season of The Chosen and how

641
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: people were starting to find it and I was getting

642
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: back on my feet. I wanted to make sure that

643
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: I that I remembered to take care of the less fortunate,

644
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: because got took care of me when I was in

645
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: dire need, and so I could I couldn't avoid feeling

646
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: that I had to do something as well. So I

647
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: found I looked up charities that were the top rated charities,

648
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: and Unbounds like in the top five or something at

649
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: the time. And they are an organization that was started

650
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: forty something years ago by Catholic lay people and they

651
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: basically have children that you can sponsor by in foreign countries,

652
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: in foreign countries and third world countries that need you know,

653
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: any everything from school supplies to the ability to go

654
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: to school, to food, to all sorts of needs. And

655
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: for a very meager amount, you basically sponsor a child

656
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: or an elderly person, which not too many other charities do.

657
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: There aren't a whole other a whole lot of charities

658
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: that are sponsoring both children and elderly people. As they

659
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: get older, they you know, they don't have anybody to

660
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: look after them. So I started sponsoring this this child,

661
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: this boy from Tanzania, and yeah, for a small sum

662
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: you basically they get to go to school, they get

663
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: food put on their table. It creates this opportunity not

664
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: just for the child, but for the family now to

665
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: be able to have resources to budget. And then they're

666
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: part of this community of sponsored families that can essentially

667
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: dig themselves out of abject poverty. They clean water, they

668
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: do have these water projects, they have these these oversight

669
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: groups with these mothers that learn to essentially pool finances

670
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: and invest and it changes the lives of these like

671
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: communities like and in this past summer, I actually got

672
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to go.

673
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: To Tanzania and.

674
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: And Rwanda because about a year ago I also decided

675
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: to sponsor their millionth child from Rwanda, this little girl

676
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: in Rwanda. So this summer.

677
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: Did you meet them boat?

678
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I got to meet them both, so and it was

679
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: it was life changing. I mean, to see how your

680
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: your support is actually translating is unbelievable. And the families

681
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: like you're they consider you're part of their family because

682
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: of what you're doing for them, and how how just

683
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: irrevocably their lives are changed for the better. And so

684
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I can I can't. I can't champion them enough to

685
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's so many children about I think

686
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: twenty thousand kids last I heard, if I'm not mistaken,

687
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: that still needs sponsorship. And if yeah, if you want

688
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: to make a massive difference in the world and a

689
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: child's life and a family's life and a community's life, run,

690
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: don't walk.

691
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: That's what we have such plenty in America.

692
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we don't.

693
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: We're ignorant to they that we have. Yeah, and you

694
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: go to these other countries and you realize what a

695
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: small amount of money transforms, not only a family of community,

696
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: remakes a community. I mean, and like you said, something

697
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: as simple as clean water has such an enormous impact

698
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: on a group of people. They can also suddenly live

699
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: closer together, and it's something we take for granted. I'm

700
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: noticing your your hoodie.

701
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: As I saw this. Yes, oh, this whole thing.

702
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's a symbol, to hell with it. The

703
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: famous Flannery O'Connor line, which she someone challenged her on

704
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: the reality of the Ucherus. Catholics believe, we're taught. I

705
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: believe it is the actual body and blood of Jesus

706
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: as affected from bread at the Mass, at each and

707
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: every mass, which is what well you would know.

708
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Which Jesus said, that's right, and he said it, he

709
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: said it right on your back. This so this is

710
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: the front. This is another color, okay.

711
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: And then it was a symbol, to hell with it.

712
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: And then you have John, oh, the.

713
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: Actress six John six, Yeah, amen, I say to you.

714
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's from the Bread of Life discourse, so

715
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: that that essentially was the genesis of our belief carried

716
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: through to the Last Supper. And then Flannery was at

717
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: a party with some socialites, non Catholic socialites, and they

718
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: referenced the Eucharist as a pretty good symbol you know

719
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: of you know, of Jesus, and she just blurred out, well,

720
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: if it's a symbol, to hell with it. Because the

721
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Eucharist was everything for her. She was a daily communicant.

722
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: She went to Mass every day, and she was fiery

723
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: and when it came to defending the true Presence, that

724
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: was her thing.

725
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: And you first wore this. I first saw you wearing

726
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: it at a big eucharistic congress in the United States,

727
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: which you know, thousands of people came out in Indiana, right.

728
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Indianapolis, sixty thousand, India.

729
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 2: Why did you choose that this was your design?

730
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, so I had I wore a white T shirt.

731
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I had a white and a black T shirt. I

732
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: had these, just two T shirts made just because I thought,

733
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I just finished that week filming The

734
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Last Supper, and I thought, what could I do that?

735
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: Just like I don't have time to shop to make

736
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: an outfit for us, you know. So I called up

737
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: my my buddies at work with us on the shows,

738
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: and I said, can you just make me a T

739
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: shirt and put this on it and then on the

740
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: back let me I'll send you some scripture and they

741
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I mocked it up for them and I sent them

742
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: to design and they printed it out. I actually got

743
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: it from one of the guys that was working with me.

744
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't even seen it ahead of time. I said,

745
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: just send it with Paul, And so Paul showed up

746
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and gave me the T shirt and I just wore them.

747
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is great. And then people kind of

748
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: went that so they wanted their own. The next day

749
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: there were shops on Etsy making knockoffs. I'm like, well,

750
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: give a guy chance. Let me get into the game

751
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, if they want people want

752
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: the real thing, the thing that I wore, to the

753
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: exact specifications, I can do that.

754
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: The Roomy Edition, the Roomy Edition.

755
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, in here, Oh do.

756
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: You have is it? Is it your own brand? Let

757
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: me see look at that with his own John hancockresses

758
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: Jonathan Roomy original. That's right, settle, settle in place, So

759
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: settle for knockoffs, ladies and gentlemen, when place they get it.

760
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: You know, I was watching you.

761
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: That's my website. But we were, oh, what is the

762
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: website Jonathanroomy dot com.

763
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: Easy, Jonathan Roomy dot com. You can't miss that. I

764
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: want to forget it. We were in New York probably

765
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: almost a year ago now, and for uh lent right, Yes,

766
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: you and Mark were in town for near fox. People

767
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: swarm you when you go to these restaurants. I know

768
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: what that eucherst to Congress. You couldn't walk in broad daylight.

769
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: They were everybody wants a picture. You are not Now,

770
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: you don't naturally take to that part of this. Would

771
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: you consider yourself an introvert?

772
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I an introvert with a side of extrovert. What does

773
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: that mean?

774
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: So?

775
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: If I had to put it's funny. I got challenged

776
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: on this very recently in an interview, and I said,

777
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm more of not by I said I was more

778
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: of an introvert, and this gentleman said, I believe everything

779
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: except that part. I said, well, here's how I described it.

780
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: If you have a scale on one side, there's extrovert,

781
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: on another side there's introvert, it kind of slides, so

782
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: there's extrovert with a little introvert, a little extrovert with

783
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: big introvert. And that's kind of where I live. I'm

784
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: more introvert and I like to be left alone.

785
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: You're like your privacy, I do.

786
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: I get anxious when people just start coming up to

787
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, what's going to happen. Sometimes people

788
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily from.

789
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: Around so hard, boundaries so hard.

790
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they mean well, they mean well.

791
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: I will say this, this is a TV thing. Yeah,

792
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: I would argue there's a TV thing. John, Really well,

793
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm you know, people ask me what are you? I'm

794
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: a handbone, so it doesn't matter to me. I've always

795
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: none of this, None of this disturbs me, or word

796
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: that they want to come up in piss or slaber

797
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: or grab it. You're a pure extrovert. No, I'm not.

798
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm actually in spirit. I'm a lot like you.

799
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: See, I think you're on the other side. You're like

800
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: extrovert with a bit of interroment.

801
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a hermit. When I create. I like to

802
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: be alone and have my space, particularly when i'm writing.

803
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: And Rebecca, my wife, will tell you, you know, thirty years

804
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: she knows you don't go and hear the office when

805
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: he's creating. Just stay away. But Moses is in there

806
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: with the bush. Don't get burned. But I do find TV.

807
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: It's you.

808
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: And I have friends who are in film, and I

809
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: have been at dinners with people in film and we're

810
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: together and people will come up and want to take

811
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: your picture, please sign something? Can you do video for

812
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: my aunt? She loves you. Every night she goes to

813
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: bed with you. She needs to hear you right now, ramon.

814
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: And this guy is like an Academy Award winner, nothing, Hello,

815
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: how are you? And they leave him. They don't, They

816
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: don't disturb him at all. Lucky because you're on TV.

817
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: They feel they know you.

818
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 2: They feel they know you.

819
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: Every week you're with them in their house, and you

820
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: are too.

821
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: You're Jesus for them over And it's over the long haul.

822
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: It's not on a big screen. It's not for two hours.

823
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: It's for a long period of time. It builds an

824
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: intimacy that they they absorb and I honor when I

825
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: see them. But I but it disturbed. I have colleagues

826
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: who it disturbs. They they see it, Oh my god.

827
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: They literally go to hiding. They'll hide in bathrooms, they'll

828
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: hide in kitchens.

829
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: I was recently, I was recently in a place. I

830
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: don't want to say too much. I don't want to

831
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: give anything.

832
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't get details now.

833
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I was in a place where I was walking with

834
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: a friend and I knew if we went one direction,

835
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: I would run into more people. And then were walking.

836
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's a side door, and I'm like

837
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: starting to make for the side door and he's walking

838
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that way. I'm like, oh gosh, I'm like okay. So

839
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: I had to follow him and to shake some hands,

840
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: but I was just like, no, we're gonna We're gonna

841
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: do this. Okay, Hey, how are you meet you?

842
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: So it's part of it.

843
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it is part of the it's part of

844
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: what you sign up for.

845
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: It's part of what you sign up for it, and

846
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: I always, I always look at it. I interviewed Mother

847
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: Teresa many years ago, and Mother Teresa, there was a mob.

848
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: Of people in Brooklyn, Wow.

849
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: And she pulled up and I was in the car

850
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: with her little bus. And they said, Mother, we'll go

851
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: around back. And she said, no, stop, stop, stop. She

852
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: stood up and they said, but Mother, all the people

853
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: are here. She said, we have to be here for

854
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: the people. Well, this is Jesus here for oh. And

855
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: she went out and she shook hands and old babies

856
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: and took pictures.

857
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: And he hated it.

858
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: She told me on the bus, you hated it. She said,

859
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: every flashbulb I offer up to God. I asked him

860
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: for a soul out of purgatory for every flashbulb I

861
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: have to look at that. That was her kind of

862
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: spiritual way of dealing with it. She was a real introvert,

863
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: but she kind of threw herself out there. That was

864
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: a big lesson to me, and so I've always.

865
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: Kind of that's really given me something. Yeah, thank you

866
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: for that.

867
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: Mother Angelica had a similar approach. I'll tell you that

868
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: story later. She was very sick, and I said, why

869
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: why don't you go now? And because a bus pulled up,

870
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: a big tour bus of people wanted to see her

871
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: and couldn't get into the studio her at her network

872
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: at EWT, and she was already in her car. I

873
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: was closing the door and she put her hand up,

874
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: pulled herself out. I said, I said, you can't. You

875
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: got to go. It's cold out here. Your asthma's going

876
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: to air. She said, they're old, They've come a long way.

877
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: She stood up. I said, you're old and you've got

878
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: a long way to go, and she said shut up.

879
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: When she sat on the hoot of a car Jonathan

880
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: for forty five minutes taking picture signing autographs until like

881
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: eleven thirty. When I watched that, I thought, you can

882
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: take a picture in it, so I think of them

883
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: always when I see the crowds. So that'll give you

884
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: some inspiration, right.

885
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: I think I think that. Yeah, that's I think I

886
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: need to hear that.

887
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: Tell me you said, I read somewhere you want to

888
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: do an Exorcist movie. Why haven't we seen enough Pope's Exorcist,

889
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: The Exorcist, Exorcist Resurrection, Exorcistism, Emily Rose.

890
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: Aren't we done? I don't know. I mean I think

891
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: I think there's there's always room. How many authentic portrayals

892
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: of priests? Yeah, in an Exorcist film? Have you seen.

893
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: My friend Bill Blade is just what the original? Yeah? Right?

894
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I think there's something to be said

895
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: for like, you know, Father Damien in the film, like

896
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: he felt like a real guy with that. That's the

897
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of a story, like a holy man, you know

898
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: what I mean.

899
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 2: But with flaws.

900
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: He's flaws. He's fighting himself, he's struggling, but he's called

901
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: to something greater than himself and he sacrifices himself. What

902
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: a beautiful story that is and so well done.

903
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 5: It's not about the theatrics, it's not about the spinning

904
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 5: and the thing and the crawling on them, Like who cares, Like,

905
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 5: where's the human drama in these movies? You know, it's

906
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: not just jump scarce, Like, I'm not interested in jump scares.

907
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's why the most recent one failed. That Resurrection

908
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: movie was a disaster and they threw the iconography off,

909
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: which is a Catholic ritual of exorcism. That's what Bill

910
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: Bladie wrote, when you disturb that, Yeah, you're okay, tell

911
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: me what do you want to do next? What do

912
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: you want to do after the chosen? Have you thought

913
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: that far down the line? Yeah?

914
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm developing a couple of different projects that that

915
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: I think could work again. You know, some fantastic stories

916
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: of some holy folks that would work as really great

917
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: films and I think would be compelling. And they have

918
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: a phenomenal story about the triumph of the human spirit

919
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: with the help of God in very extreme circumstances. So yeah,

920
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm working on We always need those stories.

921
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and more of them. Okay, this is our annual routine,

922
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: a Royal Grande questionnaire. I asked this of everybody. These

923
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: are fast questions. You can go as long or short

924
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: as you want. Okay, and the light is burning, so

925
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: here we go. Who is the person you most admire.

926
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: Jonathan Roumy person I most admire. There's two, and it

927
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: would have to be my parents. I think, knowing the

928
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: circumstances that they overcame to make it to the United

929
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: States and to raise a family, and to basically just

930
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: do everything in service to making sure their children had

931
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: a better life.

932
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: Who's the person you most despise?

933
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh the devil? Mm yeah, okay, so I was trying

934
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: to get my way.

935
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: I know the feeling. I met him once or twice

936
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: or maybe more than that. Uh, what's your best feature?

937
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: My best feature? And I think it would be I

938
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: trust people pretty quickly, and I opened myself up to people.

939
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: What's your worst feature?

940
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: I trust people pretty quickly. I opened myself up to people.

941
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: When I when someone first asked me that question and said,

942
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: what's your best feature? I thought physical? I think, well,

943
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: my lips, I don't know my hands, I don't know

944
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: what I but everybody asked it to they go to

945
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: something much.

946
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: Deeper because it sounds prideful to answer it.

947
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: Other Wise, always think what it is. Thank you, John.

948
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Ruby just said I'm pride thank you. Well,

949
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: that's the last question.

950
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: That's That's how I can't. I couldn't allow myself to

951
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: answer it any other way.

952
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted to say your hair go ahead, but

953
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: your fee would say oh people, people would say, would

954
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: not the makeup lady? Anyway? Your favorite meal?

955
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: See, I just was in Italy. It's a combination of

956
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: steak impasta.

957
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a good place to be. I'd say pizza.

958
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: I love pizza. Anyway. What do you fear?

959
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: What do you fear not fulfilling my potential?

960
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: The greatest virtue is what Jonathan humility? M M mother

961
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: of all, mother of all the virtues, the word you

962
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: could not live without. I won't beleeve you.

963
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: That was it.

964
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll leave that there. Then, family, If you could

965
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: do anything else, if you couldn't do this, what would

966
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: you do? Visual art?

967
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: Maybe musician? Oh yeah, maybe I would be I would

968
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: have pursued being a drummer in a band a little

969
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: more stringently. I love music. Music. Music affects me in

970
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: a way that none of the arts do. It's just.

971
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 5: It's it's uh, there's no thoughts, takes offense, yeah, almost,

972
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 5: It's a feeling.

973
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: It's a feeling. Yeah, you can't just doesn't nothing else comparison.

974
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: What's the best advice you ever got and from whom

975
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: the best advice I ever got?

976
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Uh, that's a tough one. Yeah. I think that the

977
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: best advice I got was get a spiritual director.

978
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did that come?

979
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: Don't one? I have now my priest, that spiritual director

980
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: that I have now, I've had him the longest. But

981
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: the initial advice I got probably was twenty years ago,

982
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: and it was many many years before I could find somebody.

983
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: I was moving around a lot, and I just wasn't

984
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: settled in my faith and I didn't look as hard.

985
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: So I think once once I was in La my faith.

986
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Funny enough, you know, people think people think of Hollywood

987
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: in LA as a godless place, and there's a lot

988
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: of influence, a lot of dark influences in those areas

989
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: in that city, but there's also a lot of light

990
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of people searching for the light, and

991
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people fighting the darkness. And the communities

992
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: that I had, the faith communities that I built and

993
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: I had and grew a part of, were communities of light.

994
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: And through those communities I found my spiritual director has

995
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: been probably about six seven years now. Yeah, what's your

996
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: biggest regret. I think my biggest regret would be that

997
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't find I didn't surrender sooner to God. But also,

998
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's hard to it's hard to

999
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: admit that because it's hard to think that that is

1000
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: actually true, because you know, I believe this was my

1001
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: path right. God allowed me to wander, neander until I

1002
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: got to this point in my life where I finally

1003
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: recognized that I couldn't do this without him, and that's

1004
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: when I was ready for this next step. So I

1005
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: don't know that I can really say that I have

1006
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: a regret, a deep regret.

1007
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: What happens when this is over?

1008
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: This interview probably get some neat.

1009
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: Don't be a smart ass. What happens when the.

1010
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Life is over?

1011
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: Ah?

1012
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Would you say this, Raymond?

1013
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: You have to interpretation.

1014
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: That's why I said dinner when this is over. I

1015
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: hope that when this is over, we we go on

1016
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: to the the real life, the real phase of our existence,

1017
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: the real purpose of our existence, which would be for

1018
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: me to find to be reunified with our creator, the

1019
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: source of all life.

1020
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for your time and for your being here.

1021
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: It's always a joy. Thank you, Joey.

1022
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: Thanks Brandon.

1023
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: Pleasure, always a pleasure, Pleasure to my friend. Cannot wait

1024
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: to see the next season. You Okay, here's the hole.

1025
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: The faith of Jonathan Rumy is so interesting to me

1026
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: this Lenten season for Christians at least, it's all about surrender,

1027
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: and it is fascinating to see the surrender of Rumi.

1028
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: He was literally at the end of his rope, when

1029
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: he had nowhere else to go, when he put his trust,

1030
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: as he said, in something bigger than himself, in God,

1031
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: even when he saw no path and look at the

1032
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: one that he was led to. Suddenly, the first part

1033
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: of The Chosen Season five hits theaters on March twenty eighth,

1034
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: and it's streaming on Amazon. I hope you'll come back

1035
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: to the Arroyo Grande soon. Why live a dry, narrow,

1036
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: constricted life when if you fill it with good things

1037
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: that can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

1038
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: reading an Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe and like this episode.

1039
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for diving in. We'll see you next time. Arroyo

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