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Speaker 1: So the whole middle eight concept. Producer Jesse and I

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Speaker 1: Say it with a straight face. I think Ohio State's

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Speaker 2: They got them in Atlanta. They got them in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I know.

437
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Speaker 1: I'm from Georgia. I know Atlanta very well. We got

438
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Speaker 1: Academy on every street corner. And if it's not on

439
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Speaker 1: your street corner, you're probably not in the right neighborhood.

440
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Speaker 2: So that's on you.

441
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Speaker 1: But Academy Sports and Outdoors has a lot of equipment

442
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Speaker 1: that could be on you as well. They got a

443
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Speaker 1: lot of gear that could be on you, a lot

444
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Speaker 1: of tailgating equipment that could be on you. Now, don't fret, kids,

445
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Speaker 1: I hear some of you crying already. Mom, dad, why

446
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: can't we go to academy? Well, babe, we don't have

447
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Speaker 1: one here. Don't let mom and dad gaslight you, cause

448
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Speaker 1: you've got the Internet.

449
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Speaker 2: I know you do. That's how you're watching or listening

450
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Speaker 2: to the shows.

451
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Speaker 1: So that means mom or Dad could go to Academy

452
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Speaker 1: dot com and if they're shaking their head, no, they're

453
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Speaker 1: lying to you. They could go to Academy dot com

454
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Speaker 1: and you can gear up just like the big boys

455
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Speaker 1: do who actually have one in their neighborhood. And then

456
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Speaker 1: a later conversation should be why are we living in

457
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Speaker 1: a place where there is no Academy Sports out Doors.

458
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Speaker 1: But I don't want to wreck any homes tonight. I

459
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Speaker 1: want to make your home better, and Academy Sports and

460
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Speaker 1: Outdoors can do that. You might be asking yourself, if

461
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Speaker 1: you're in the podcasting game, is that really the ad

462
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Speaker 1: copy that Academy paid to have on the show? Absolutely not,

463
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Speaker 1: absolutely not. Uh okay, now we got a lot going on.

464
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Speaker 1: That was the National Championship prediction portion of the show.

465
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Speaker 1: But we got a lot going on, So I do

466
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Speaker 1: want to get to a lot of this as much

467
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Speaker 1: as we can. Let me crack up in the ZBA here.

468
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Speaker 1: I knew, I knew, the mouth felt parched a little

469
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Speaker 1: bit cream soda. Man, it just never never fails to

470
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Speaker 1: hit straighten the can up. There we go, all right,

471
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Speaker 1: have you been paying attention?

472
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Speaker 2: Sorry? I had a little air bubble in my throat?

473
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Speaker 1: Have you been paying attention to what's happening at Clemson,

474
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Speaker 1: Dabo Swinny whole new Man. So since we last spoke,

475
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Speaker 1: they've made a hire there. They hired Tom Allen from

476
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Speaker 1: Pennstone as defensive coordinator. This is pretty big news on

477
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Speaker 1: its surface, just on its face, but it is monumentally

478
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Speaker 1: humongous news when you consider the broader scope of things

479
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Speaker 1: at Clemson. So let me walk you down memory lane.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. He wasn't all that long ago.

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Speaker 1: That we were looking at Clemson and we were looking

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Speaker 1: at Dabo Swiney, and he basically had no portal tattooed

483
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Speaker 1: on his lower back and promote from within tattooed on

484
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Speaker 1: the other half of his lower back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the philosophy there.

486
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Speaker 1: They famously have not even opened the door of the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal in a long time. And when it came

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Speaker 1: time to hire after Brenton Venables left there a few

489
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Speaker 1: years ago, and Dabo could have done a national search

490
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Speaker 1: for a coordinator, instead, he looked within because he said,

491
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Speaker 1: I want my own guys. I'm promoting from within. Well,

492
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Speaker 1: he promoted Wes Goodwin up the ladder. Never been a

493
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Speaker 1: coordinator before in his life. It was bad move. He

494
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Speaker 1: has since fired him. And it's easy to say that

495
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Speaker 1: in retrospect. That's why I said it at the time,

496
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Speaker 1: So I get I get full leeway to criticize it

497
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Speaker 1: because I did say it at the time. So anyway,

498
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Speaker 1: now a few years later, what's happening. A hurricane is

499
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Speaker 1: coming through Clemson. But Josh, it's January. Well yeah, climatologically speaking,

500
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty cold over there, but metaphorically speaking, wow, we've

501
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden got what three portal editions here,

502
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Speaker 1: So we've opened the portal. It's a whole new world,

503
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Speaker 1: Part one in Clemson and then part two.

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Speaker 2: We're not promoting from within.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get Tom Allen from Penn State, and

506
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Speaker 1: the Penn State side of that I'll talk about if

507
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Speaker 1: Jesse reminds me in just a second. But from the

508
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Speaker 1: Clemson side of things, what are we getting in here?

509
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Speaker 2: Or we're getting a.

510
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Speaker 1: Former head coach, we're getting a really good coach, good

511
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Speaker 1: defensive coach.

512
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Speaker 2: But more specifically, we're getting new blood. We're getting we're

513
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Speaker 2: getting fresh ideas. It's not stagnant, it's not pond water.

514
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Speaker 1: There's fresh flow coming in, new players coming in, new

515
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Speaker 1: coaches coming in. That doesn't guarantee anything. I want to

516
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Speaker 1: be very very clear with my opinion on this because

517
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Speaker 1: I was asked, I love conceptually that Dabo's willing to

518
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Speaker 1: do this.

519
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Speaker 2: It doesn't guarantee anything.

520
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: They could crash and burn doing this, but they could

521
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Speaker 1: also elevate themselves doing it. Now, Daboswenny, this is where

522
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Speaker 1: he's got to know his program better than anyone, and

523
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Speaker 1: I trust that he does. Cannot trust that he knows

524
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Speaker 1: what he's doing here. He's been doing this a long time.

525
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: No one knows Clemson football better than Daboswenny. Having said that,

526
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Speaker 1: it signifies a pretty fundamental change here, and yetn't said

527
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Speaker 1: those words with Daboswey in a long time. Fundamental change.

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Speaker 1: I've never blamed him. It's been one of the most

529
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Speaker 1: frequently revisited topics on this show because it's really complex,

530
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Speaker 1: the Dabo Swenny transfer portal, Dabo Swinny resistant to change conversation.

531
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Speaker 1: It's been frequent, it's been really complex, and I've always

532
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: needed fifteen minutes to talk about it, so let me

533
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Speaker 1: do it in fifteen seconds. My personal preference has been

534
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Speaker 1: for Debo to be a little more open to these concepts.

535
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Speaker 1: My personal opinion about the man is I fully respect

536
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Speaker 1: that he's resisted it because I fully respect that he's

537
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Speaker 1: defined as principles and values of his program and he's

538
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Speaker 1: adhered to them. Sounds counterintuitive, kind of is It's just

539
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to run your program the way

540
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Speaker 1: I think you should run it, because it's my philosophy

541
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Speaker 1: that there's a reason you're the head coach there and

542
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I can have an opinion, just like every

543
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: fan can have an opinion, but it's your program for

544
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Speaker 1: a reason. So I've always been smart enough to realize that,

545
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Speaker 1: at least now, with all that aside, he is making

546
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Speaker 1: changes here. Don't mistake what you're seeing is just a

547
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: headline of Oh, a couple of portal kids, Oh coaching change. Well,

548
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: that happens everywhere, not it Clemson, it doesn't. So this

549
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: is a really, really big change. I don't know what

550
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: it means in the end, but I know it signifies

551
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: Debo Swinny may not be as stubborn as a lot

552
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: of folks, including me, thought he was, may not be

553
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: as resistant to change as a lot of folks, including me,

554
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: thought he was. I do think his mind has changed

555
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: on this. He may hold a press conference and downplay

556
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: this as just standard operating procedure at Clemson.

557
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: It's not. This is a fundamental change in their approach.

558
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: If he says anything other than that, we will agree

559
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: to disagree on that. They play LSU in Week one

560
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: this upcoming season. Do you know that we're about to

561
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: wrap up the twenty twenty four season. It's never too early.

562
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: It's never too early to look ahead. They host LSU.

563
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: It's not a neutral side thing. This is college football

564
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: the way God intended it. Sweltering heat if you can

565
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: imagine that right now? And death Valley? Which one will

566
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: the one they'll be playing in? I just realized that's

567
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: going to be one of the most nauseating storylines in

568
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the week leading up to that game.

569
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Speaker 2: Is which death value is the real death Valley?

570
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Speaker 1: Stick an ice pick in my ear right now before

571
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Speaker 1: we have to go through that.

572
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: So, Hey, we got k klub.

573
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: Nick back at Clemson, Garrett Riley another year in as

574
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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. Now we've got Tom Allen as the

575
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. That thing's not going to be resurrected overnight.

576
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: That defense is not but got some good players to

577
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: work with there. I'm just happy to see it. I'm

578
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: happy to see it. It signifies change. It's not a

579
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Speaker 1: guarantee of anything, but it does signify change. Keep that up,

580
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Calum two four six eight. They are the ninth odds

581
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: favorite to win it All next year at FanDuel, for

582
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: whatever that's worth to you. Right now, all right, let's.

583
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Move it along.

584
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Speaker 1: So now now that we've reached the portion of the

585
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Speaker 1: show where I can read this text from Quick Trip,

586
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: let's see what they sent me. They sent a question, Jesse,

587
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: I hate that I didn't tell you this.

588
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Tell you what. I'll read the question from quick Trip.

589
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: This is real, this is happening live, and maybe we'll

590
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: answer this on Thursday show. And Savannah State text right

591
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. Okay, I'll read her question later.

592
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Quick Trip hit us up and said, does college football

593
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: need a dynasty or a villain to thrive? Is any

594
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: school capable of doing that in this era? What a

595
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: great question by quick Trip. Also, secondarily, pretty good gas station.

596
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: You can fuel up for your car, you can fuel

597
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: up for your very own tummy, your own tank if

598
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: you will, and get a good thera gun there too.

599
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: I didn't bring the thera gun into the studio. I

600
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Great colbrew on tap. Quick Trip is

601
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: the fuel provider of the show. They fueled the whole

602
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: New Saturday tour this past fall. We don't need to

603
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: do it now, but we do need to eventually get

604
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: around to naming twenty twenty five's tour and the spring tour.

605
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: Do you know I spent eighty four nights in a

606
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: hotel this past year in the calendar year twenty twenty four,

607
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm told we had three hundred and sixty five days.

608
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Colin and Jesse, Yeah, we had three

609
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Speaker 1: hundred sixty five eighty four of them in a hotel.

610
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Speaker 1: Couldn't have done it without Quick Trip. They don't have

611
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Speaker 1: hotels per se, but they do provide the fuel to

612
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Speaker 1: get to the hotel. All right, that was a very

613
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: very scatterbrained ad read, But that's what you get on

614
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: this show. I hated USC growing up, and one of

615
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: you asked about it from Los Angeles, California. Frisky Dingo

616
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: hit us and said, us USC fans have always been

617
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: curious at what age did your hate for USC begin

618
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and what prompted it? Good question, so middle school slash

619
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: high school is where I started hating USC. Now, let

620
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: me make sure from my friends over on the peristyle.

621
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Speaker 1: Let me make sure and present this thought as crystally

622
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: and abundantly clear as I can. I don't hate USC anymore.

623
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: I love USC.

624
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: And even if I don't love them, I don't hate them.

625
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Does everyone hear that? Okay? Most of you ignored it? Oh?

626
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?

627
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: So there was a time in my youth when I

628
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: was a younger JP. Oh yeah, hated USC. So you

629
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: got to understand the context of my childhood. My childhood

630
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: is the early two thousands when you have the entire

631
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Laguna Beach effect taking place on MTV, and that's overlapping

632
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: with Matt Lionert and Reggie Bush doing what they're doing

633
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: at Southern cal Pete Carroll in his prime at Southern Cal.

634
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: And so you have to understand this from the perspective

635
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Speaker 1: of a kid that is in school, in high school

636
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: in rural Georgia. I'm walking the halls of Harris County

637
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: High School in Hamilton, Georgia every day. And although I

638
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: was not a big Laguna Beach fan, several in my

639
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: social circle were, so I would see it, and even

640
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I remember at the time looking and saying, this doesn't

641
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: seem like the same high school experience I'm having Monday

642
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: through Friday at Harris County High School. That world out

643
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: there on the West coast seems a little different than

644
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: the world we have in West central Georgia.

645
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that was one.

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Speaker 1: Part of what made me grow a healthy contempt for

647
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: kids that lived in LA. And then number two, there's

648
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: this football team out there who is trying to infringe

649
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: on what we invented. The South invented football, at least

650
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: that's what I was taught. I mean, there were like

651
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: extra pages in our bibles, handwritten, and it basically spelled

652
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: this out that the.

653
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: South invented football. That's just the way it is.

654
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: You might as well actually that in Stone and there's

655
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: this dude named Matt Lioner, and there's this kid named

656
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush, and there are these receivers that looked like

657
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: they were created in a lab. And then Pete Carroll,

658
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: this dude's coached in the NFL and now he's killing

659
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: it in college. But do you understand that now everyone

660
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: knows that story, but back then the story was still

661
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: being written and for a kid in the South who

662
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: thinks the South invented football, they were posers, but they

663
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: never had to play anyone. Now again, a lot of

664
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: this is false, But through the eyes of a kid

665
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: in the South, I'm watching the SEC teams, and I

666
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: am immersed in the language of SEC culture, and I

667
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: am bathed in the concept of the SEC schedule being

668
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: above and beyond anything that you could experience anywhere else

669
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: in college. So when I'm turning on a Georgia game

670
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: and they're having a fight tooth and nail against South

671
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Carolina or Florida has got to go into Death Valley

672
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: and face LSU.

673
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: That is the pinnacle of college football.

674
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Then I turn on the ten thirty game and like

675
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: Petrosen Company are out there covering USC in the coliseum,

676
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: playing Fresno State or someone like that.

677
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: And it doesn't even matter.

678
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: Man, that you can allow forty and you're still gonna

679
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: win because all you gotta do is beat Fresno. I

680
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: had no respect for the PAC ten I had no

681
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: respect for the quality of competition out there. I had

682
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: no respect for the lifestyle because we're blue collar, we're

683
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: roll up the sleeves in the South and out there.

684
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: It's just it's all flash, it's no flex.

685
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: This is how we felt in the South as kids

686
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: about kids, including college on the West Coast. So Saturday,

687
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: August thirtieth, two thousand and three rolls around. Now, it

688
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: did not matter if you grew up an Auburn fan

689
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: or not. That was a big day in the South

690
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: because we had an entire spring and summer to know

691
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: that USC was coming to Auburn to open the season.

692
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: So you've got the whole They're gonna melt in the

693
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: Southern humidity of late August early September, and Auburn's number

694
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: six in the country to start the season. Southern cals eight.

695
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: So you get a top ten matchup Jordan Harrista one

696
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen degrees at kickoff, and you're about to

697
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a whole lot of explicitive laden

698
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: rants that I could go on just repeating what was

699
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: said around the South about what was gonna happen to

700
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: USC when they came in there. I have the box

701
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: score in my hand. Southern cow wins twenty three to nothing.

702
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: That was a tough time. That was a tough time

703
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of people in the South. Now, have

704
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: there been tougher times, sure, but we're guys, this was

705
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: a different era.

706
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Now.

707
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if people think this way. I don't

708
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: know if the kids who are going to Harris County

709
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: High School right now think about the West Coast the

710
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: same way that kids in the South when I was

711
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: that age thought about kids from other parts of the

712
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: country or lifestyles from other parts of the country.

713
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

714
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: Now I am blessed enough to where I get to

715
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: go out to LA all the time. I am around

716
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve until it bit the dust. I'm around

717
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: all the programs, all the conference and says I understand

718
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: the way of the world. Now I understand the way

719
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: of college football.

720
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Now I didn't. Then I did not.

721
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: I did not have the respect I should have had

722
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: for what Pete Carroll was doing at USC. I didn't

723
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: have respect for the tradition. Honestly, the only exemption I

724
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: gave USC was when Fleetwood Mac realigned in nineteen ninety seven.

725
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: They played a concert called The Dance at Warner Brother

726
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Studios out in LA and the USC Marching Band played

727
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Tusk with them. Now, I was born long after Fleetwood

728
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: Mac actually recorded all their hits. But I instantly loved

729
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac as soon as I could, like buy a

730
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: CD when I was a kid, So I always loved

731
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac. So USC did get an exemption in my

732
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: mind for that because they were aligned and affiliated with

733
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac. But other than that, no, no, I hated

734
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: USC as a kid. Now I would give anything. I

735
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: would pay you money out of my own wallet to

736
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: have USC in the playoff. I would love to take

737
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: the Springs Speaker series out there and sit down with

738
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. They've never reached out. I I would love

739
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: to do business with USC. I actually I have like

740
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of an affinity for USC now, so

741
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I've totally flip flopped. And also, here was really the

742
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Here was really the welcome to a different part of

743
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: your life moment for me. I don't think I've ever

744
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: told this story, Jesse. If I told the story of

745
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two title game, the Box, the Suite,

746
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: I haven't told that. No, Okay, okay, I probably hadn't

747
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: told you this. So we're out in LA for the

748
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two National Championship game, which was Georgia TCU.

749
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: And if you remember that game. It was a body

750
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: bagging pretty early. So we left the field and we

751
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: went up to what we called the Fox Box, which

752
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: was just a box where a lot of the Fox

753
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: guys were because Fox didn't have the game. ESPN had

754
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: the game, but it's in La. Foxes in La so

755
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: a lot of their talent were over there. So me

756
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: and Canel and I think Brady Quinn, we went up

757
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: to the box watched most of the second half from

758
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: up there. So we're up there, Lionerd's in there, Reggie's

759
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: in there. Reggie got put in the Hall of Fame

760
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: that night, I think. And I remember there was a

761
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: moment where I was sitting there and you know, periodically

762
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: like is this still going on? Have they called the

763
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: fight yet? But I remember there was a vivid moment

764
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: where I thought to myself, I was like standing back there,

765
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, getting a drink or something like that, and

766
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: I thought, what would the high school version of you

767
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: think with who you're hanging out with right now?

768
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: Not to mention, you're in a suite, which.

769
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Is just because I trust me, I didn't change the

770
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: T shirt and they looked at me like I was

771
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: lost when I walked in there. But like, what would

772
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: high school version of you think if he knew not

773
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: only where you were right now, but who you're with

774
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: right now. And to be honest, high school version of

775
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: me maybe making a good point. But those are all

776
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: right guys. As it turns out, Pete Carroll wasn't there

777
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: that night, but I just we returning on TV Sports

778
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Center would show practice at USC and there were celebrities there.

779
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: Football players, college football payers were not supposed to be celebrities.

780
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: That was how we were raised. College football players. You

781
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: can be a celebrity, you mean college football player. Now,

782
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: NFL players can be celebrities, but college football players are

783
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be in class, not hanging out with Snoop

784
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: Dogg and Will Ferrell at practice.

785
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: It was a different time. It was a much different time.

786
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Okay, they're watching us in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Cowen, Tennessee,

787
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: and Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Thank you guys so much. Wow,

788
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: this next question, Jesse, do me a favor, Colin, do

789
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: me a favor. Flip the topics we're about to talk about.

790
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: I want to do Dion and then I'll do the

791
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: Golden Age thing. So there, it's going to be a

792
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: lot of overlap otherwise. Okay, I think probably most of

793
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: you have a working television or internet connection and you've

794
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: seen this.

795
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: But if you had.

796
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: Johnny hit us from Saliita, Colorado. He said, should Deon

797
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: take the Colorado job? It seems like the right.

798
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: Time to move.

799
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: But he's done such good things for Colorado and he

800
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: could go down as a folk key ro. No, we

801
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: shouldn't take the Cowboys job. Let me just be selfish

802
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: here for a second. Okay, let me stand up for

803
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: college football, and I hope coach is listening.

804
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: No, No, they would like you there.

805
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: We love you here, well some of us do, but

806
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: even the ones who hate you in a roundabout way

807
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: love that you're here. So college football is for Dion Sanders,

808
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: the NFL It'll always be there.

809
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Look, frankly, if you're cut.

810
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Out to coach in the NFL now, you'll be cut

811
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: out to coach in the NFL in five years.

812
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: In the meantime. It is my belief.

813
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: Now I'm just talking to us. I'm not talking to

814
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: coach anymore. But if he wants to endorse this.

815
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: He can. It is my belief.

816
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: The Dion Sanders' opinion and his own feeling his own

817
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: heart may have changed a little bit on this.

818
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 2: It is my opinion that when he got there.

819
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: I could be wrong on this, but it is my

820
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: opinion that when he came to college, when he came

821
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: to Colorado, I think he wanted to see it through

822
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: until Shador went to the NFL, and then come what

823
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: may Travis Hunter see it through? Until Travis Hunter goes

824
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: to the NFL, and then come what may? I think

825
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: in the interim he has found out that what he

826
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: does works.

827
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: They nearly went to the playoff this.

828
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: Year, and as much confidence as he had, maybe even

829
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: he didn't see it going like that. Maybe even he

830
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: didn't understand that this whole thing could work. And I

831
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: think in the process he probably came to love the

832
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: college game even more than he did when he took

833
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: the job. I hope I'm right about that, because if

834
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: I am, his whole viewpoint on this may be different.

835
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Now.

836
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: His whole viewpoint may have previously been all right, as

837
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: soon as they're gone, I'm gone. And now it's if

838
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: a job I can't turn down comes along, I'll take it.

839
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: But I'm in no rush to leave here.

840
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: I got some more kids coming in that I love

841
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: I've handpicked my team for next year, and we're ready

842
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: to get right back after written spring practice. Fingers crossed

843
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: that that's the case, because it is my firm opinion

844
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: that college football has been better over the last few

845
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: years because Deon Sanders has been a.

846
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Part of it.

847
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: This is the entertainment business. It is not the football business.

848
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I say this about four times a year. I always

849
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: get immense puss back on it. But I'm right about this.

850
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: This is not the football business. This is the entertainment business.

851
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: And under the entertainment umbrella exists football. We have really

852
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: really big stadiums because a lot of people are entertained

853
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: by football. Coaches make a lot of money because those

854
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: people are that entertained by football that there is immense

855
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: value in being able to play in coach football at

856
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: a high level. But all of the value intrinsic to

857
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: football is stemmed from entertainment, the entertainment value of it.

858
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: So I love a good, hard nosed coach as much

859
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: as the next guy, But I also love a guy

860
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: like Dion Sanders. Now he's one of one, but you

861
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: get my point. So you know, everyone else is freaking

862
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: out about this possibility of Jerry Jones and Dion Sanders

863
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys job.

864
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: No, that's for someone else.

865
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Nope, Old Coach Prime belongs right where he is in Boulder, Colorado.

866
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: And that's all I have to say about that, all right.

867
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Next up, a couple of things. The lips are dry,

868
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: so let mean moisten them with coconut pear lip bomb. Huh.

869
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: This these next couple of questions. I'm telling you, if

870
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to, I could go for two hours on

871
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: just these two questions. I probably should take a sip

872
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: of water before I even start this. The voice is

873
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: nine tenths of the way back, but we cannot be

874
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: too careful.

875
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

876
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: I want all of you to pay attention because this

877
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: is going to heavily involve you. In fact, the next

878
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: two segments, these are the ones I talked about at

879
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show. These were the ones that

880
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: occupied a vast majority of our time in production. Today,

881
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Walt hit us up from Pacific Palisades, California.

882
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: Prayers up for you out there, Walt. We were just

883
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: out there.

884
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: The areas that you've seen on the news in southern California.

885
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: We were literally just there Pacific Palisades being one of them.

886
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: Walt said, would you consider the golden age of college

887
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: football to be in the past or on the horizon?

888
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: This is an example of a wonderful question.

889
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: So I'm asking you think about Walt's question the golden age.

890
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: You could use any criteria you want. The golden age

891
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: of college football. Is it back in the black and

892
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: white TV days? Is it in the eighties, is it

893
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: the BCS era? Is it today? Or And there are

894
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: many who hold the opinion of what I'm about to say,

895
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: maybe the golden age has yet to come. Selfishly, I

896
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: hope you're right about that. I'll tell you what my

897
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: golden age of college football was. I'm gonna I'm gonna

898
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: pick a twelve year period. You can do whatever you

899
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: want to, though the BCS era was my golden age

900
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: of college football. I'm gonna give you nineteen ninety eight

901
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: to twenty ten, and I'm gonna give you my reasons why.

902
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Now.

903
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: I romanticized that era because I was kind of a kid.

904
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I was coming of age, I was becoming a young

905
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: adult in this era. So I mean, this is middle school,

906
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: this is high school for me, this is.

907
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: College for me. Yeah, I know.

908
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: I will grant you that a lot of people look

909
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: back on that formative part of their life and maybe

910
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: they romanticize things to be greater than they were. I

911
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: really don't think I'm doing that here, and I'm gonna

912
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: give you the reasons think about this. Out of that

913
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: thirteen year period, there were eleven unique champions in that

914
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: thirteen year period, so ninety eight to twenty ten, eleven

915
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: different champions in a thirteen year stretch. Tennessee, the Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami,

916
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State, LSU, Southern cal Texas, Florida, LSU, Florida, Bama, Auburn,

917
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: the SEC on the back half of that part started

918
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: their run. But before that, you didn't have the SEC.

919
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: Choke hold on the sport quite yet.

920
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: You also had Keith Jackson on the call, you had

921
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Brent Musburger on the call. You were at the latter

922
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: portions of, to me, the golden age of college football broadcasting.

923
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: One thing that's very important to me is it was

924
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: pre smartphone, which sounds like a bad thing, but it's

925
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: a great thing from a crowd dynamics standpoint.

926
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: Go look at some of these championship games. Go look

927
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: at the five game.

928
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: The five game, the Texas USC game is significant because

929
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: it may be one of the best college football games

930
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: ever played, and it's just a vintage moment in sporting lore.

931
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: But also it's pre smartphone, which means when you look

932
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: at the highlights, everyone's eyes are on the action and

933
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: you see the flash bolts, it's the flashbolt era. It's

934
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: people holding up literal cameras and taking a picture, and boy,

935
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: the picture quality was great. From section three eight that

936
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: night in the Rose Bowl. I am a believer that

937
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: the smartphone is one of the greatest inventions in human history,

938
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: but there have been some downsides. And one of the

939
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: downsides is there was a vibe pre smartphone at sporting

940
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: events and concerts that you could never get back. You

941
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: can never get it back, and this era was the

942
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: last era before that. Studio programming hit its pinnacle in

943
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: this era. And the worst part is I don't think

944
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: we realized it. I do not think we fully appreciated

945
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: what Mark May and Lou Holtz with Rhys Davis in

946
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: a Judge's Robe Saturday night at one point thirty in

947
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: the morning truly meant. It was wonderful television, and it

948
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: couldn't be duplicated, and no consultant group would ever approve that.

949
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: But it was wonderful. I can understand every third word

950
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: out of Lou Holtz's mouth. Mark May's eyes have rolled

951
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: in the back of his head like the Undertaker.

952
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: It's great. It was wonderful TV. And only after it

953
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: was gone did I fully appreciate it.

954
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Also, the college football video game came of age, like

955
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: that thing was around in the nineties. What the early

956
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: to mid nineties Jesse was when they first made it,

957
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: But look at the advances in the video game. That's

958
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: when I started to play. It was in the early

959
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: mid two thousands. Bowl season was still fully pristine. No

960
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: one opted out. Some of the best moments of college

961
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: football postseason in this era are not from BCS games

962
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: championship games. They're from non championship games. It's pre playoff.

963
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, the Fiesta Bowl between Boise State and Oklahoma

964
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: is just that it's a BCS game. It's one of

965
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: the most memorable moments in college football history. Remember the

966
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: clown he hit in the Capitol One Bowl against Michigan.

967
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: It's just a New Year's Day game.

968
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, Jadeveon Clowney opting in to play

969
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: the game. And if you ask him, why are you

970
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: opting in? In that era, he would have said, what

971
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: else would I do?

972
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: This football game we're playing? Oh? It was so great.

973
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: Also, this is an entirely separate thing. Think about the

974
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: nature of recruiting in the mid two thousands. This is

975
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: when rivals really comes of age. This is when the

976
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: star ranking system really blows up. This is when recruiting,

977
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: to me hits its apex.

978
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: Now.

979
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what the web traffic numbers are, and

980
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: the web traffic numbers probably continue to go up and

981
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: go up, but the spirit and flavor and vibe of

982
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: recruiting back then was awesome. National Signing Day was a

983
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: holiday as far as I concerned.

984
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not kidding you when I say this.

985
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: Now, my year as a college football fan revolved around

986
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: the season, but there was no day that was more

987
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: important to me outside of the Saturday of Week one

988
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: than National Signing Day. It was more important than the

989
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: National Championship game itself in terms of a day on

990
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: the calendar, more important than Christmas, more important than any holiday.

991
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: The first Wednesday in February I had to have a

992
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: game plan. I had to either be out of school

993
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: or I had to be sick and off work non negotiable.

994
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: There was like a ten year run there where I

995
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: did not do anything on that Wednesday. I was nervous

996
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: the night before. Recruiting in the mid two thousands, this

997
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: is pre transfer portal. Now kids transferred every now and then,

998
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: but this is pre that. This is I would say,

999
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: pre nil, pre you knowing what nil was, let me

1000
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: put it that way, pre pre nil with a head

1001
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: nod from the nc DOUBLEA. It was so great because,

1002
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean the kids you were landing, that was going

1003
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: to be your team for the next four years. It

1004
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like it is now where people say, oh, yeah,

1005
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: you landed him, now let's see how long you keep him.

1006
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: Back then it was if you land the class you want,

1007
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: it's the end all be all. If you don't land

1008
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: the class you want, star rankings are overrated. You paid

1009
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: to get the kids. And then closely behind that, think

1010
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: about the spirit and the nature of NCAA investigations. Do

1011
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: you understand when you saw a headline that someone was

1012
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: under NCUBA investigation in two thousand and six, that was

1013
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: like the That was like the Feds knocking on your door.

1014
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: This was back when people feared the nc DOUBLEA. Now

1015
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: some of this may have changed for the better. Now

1016
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting that. I'm just saying recruiting and then

1017
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: and then closely behind that sometimes a little NCUBA investigation.

1018
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: Who it was serious stuff. And the star power on

1019
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the head coaching rosters. You had Pete Carroll and Nick

1020
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: Saban and Urban Meyer and Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden

1021
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: still around. Stoops was killing it at Oklahoma. Steve Spurrier,

1022
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Phil Fulmer, Matt Brown won a title in five, Jim

1023
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: Tressel won one in two, Less Miles ends up winning

1024
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: one in seven. Frank Beemer was still roaming the sidelines

1025
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: in Blacksburg. Yet Chris Peterson uh exploding onto the scene

1026
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: up at Boise State. Think about how deep the coaching

1027
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: roster was. And the thing about that is, this is

1028
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: not some situation where you have to look back and say,

1029
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: oh boy, all these young up and coming head coaches

1030
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: that ended up becoming stars. Those guys were stars then

1031
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: they were stars in this era, unbelievable time. That is

1032
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: the golden age of college football for me. Now you

1033
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: also need to remember, I do not care for the

1034
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: National Championship to be the end all be all of

1035
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: college football. If you give me a dynamite regular season,

1036
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't care about the postseason. So if you listen

1037
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: to that and you say, oh, man, I can't get

1038
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: on board with the BCS era because it was so

1039
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: jacked up to have computers deciding a national championship matchup.

1040
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: If you feel that way, you feel that way. I

1041
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: never cared. To me.

1042
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: It was never the worst thing in the world for

1043
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: people to be mad at the end of a college

1044
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: football season. The worst thing in the world would be

1045
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: for them not to care at the end of college

1046
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: football season. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. All right,

1047
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: let's continue. So that was the first question that took

1048
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: up a majority of our day. That was a really

1049
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: good one. Here's another one, Hayden from Casper, Wyoming. If

1050
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: Peate State is playing one big game, which current broadcasters

1051
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: do you want on the call? This is a problem, Hayden,

1052
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: because I know all these people, so we're gonna upset

1053
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: some We're gonna upset some folks tonight.

1054
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: I know we are.

1055
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: Joel Klatz exempt from this because he's on PROA, right now.

1056
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: And so as much as I would have included Cladd

1057
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: in this, I simply can't do it because he's coming

1058
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: from my job. He's coming for the commissioner's job, and

1059
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: that's mine. I called dibbs on it. You respect the

1060
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: rule of DIBs, don't you, Clatt? So, outside of Joel

1061
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: Clatt for disciplinary reasons, let's do this exercise. You can

1062
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: pretend you have your own fictitious university like I do.

1063
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: But I don't care if you're a Minnesota fan. Just

1064
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: pretend it's Minnesota versus Iowa. Floyd of Rosedale is on

1065
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: the line. Who do we want calling the game?

1066
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: Now?

1067
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: I took this question to mean I could go anywhere,

1068
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: and I could take any of the current announcers. They

1069
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: don't have to be on the same team, so I

1070
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: could take one person from here, one person from there.

1071
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: If Pate State is playing a big game this Saturday,

1072
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: and I get to put together my fantasy broadcast crew,

1073
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: Joe tess is on the play by play, and I'm

1074
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why, because Joe Tessitour is the best

1075
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: college football play by play man in the sport today.

1076
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: I will get arguments on this because It's like saying

1077
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: blue is the best color. So I know I will

1078
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: get preference based arguments on this, and I will listen

1079
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: to you. I have fought you folks before on this.

1080
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: Many of you agree with me, actually, but if you don't,

1081
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: it's okay. But if your reason for thinking that, oh,

1082
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Joe tess Man, he's my number one, I could take him,

1083
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: relieve and more. Maybe you just flat out and don't

1084
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: like him, and your reason is he's too energetic. What

1085
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: are we really saying there? How do you feel about

1086
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: college football?

1087
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: Now?

1088
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't have the pipes that Joe Tessitour has, but

1089
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: if I called a game, I would sound like him,

1090
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: because inside me, that's how I feel. Earl Thomas Conley

1091
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: had a country song back in the eighties called Love

1092
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: Out Loud, and the entire thing was about how I

1093
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: suck at telling my girl how I feel. But if

1094
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: she could only know how I sound on the inside,

1095
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: then she would know, Well, that is me with college football.

1096
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: If you could, if you could amplify out of my

1097
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: mouth in a broadcast booth the way I'm feeling watching

1098
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: the game on the inside.

1099
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: It would sound like tests. And I guarantee you a

1100
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: lot of you would be the same way.

1101
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: So I had Will Muschamp say one time, I'd a

1102
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: whole lot rather have to tell a horse woo boy

1103
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: than have to tell.

1104
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: Him get me up.

1105
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: He felt that way about football players. I feel that

1106
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: way about announcers. That's why I got no problem with

1107
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: Gus Johnson. But Joe Tess is my number one. Now

1108
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm taking Lewis Riddick, and I'm putting him in the

1109
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: booth with him. I think Lewis Riddick has put on

1110
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: a masterclass this entire season. I've watched a lot of

1111
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick games this year. For all I know, he

1112
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: could be an NFL general manager tomorrow when the sun

1113
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: comes up. But if he's not and I've got a

1114
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: big game Saturday, I want tests bringing the energy, and

1115
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: I want Lewis Riddick because I think he is analyzing

1116
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: the game right now as good as anyone out there.

1117
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: I would also gladly take a brock Heward. I don't

1118
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: want to go down the list because I'm gonna leave

1119
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: someone out. There are a lot of quality candidates for

1120
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: this job. But I think if I'm running a network

1121
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: and I could do whatever, I want Joe Tests paired

1122
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: with Lewis Riddick would be dynamite in the booth. I

1123
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: think their styles would compliment each other very well. I

1124
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: am taking my magic wand and I'm reaching down to Homewood, Alabama.

1125
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: It's Kublicck's time. I want two people on the sideline. Actually,

1126
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: I low key think Cole Kubrick's still very underutilized. I

1127
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: would have him on one of my A crews on

1128
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: a network. I would have him do exactly what he's doing.

1129
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Lougan Bill does the same thing. I love the flavor

1130
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: they bring. It's an analyst on the sideline. That's really

1131
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: what it is. And I think there's an actual layer

1132
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: added to the broadcast above and beyond just interviews that

1133
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: those guys bring. So I'd actually have Kublic on the field,

1134
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: and I would take Jenny Dell and I would put

1135
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: her on the field because I think she's the best

1136
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: in the interview role on the field. So I would

1137
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: have a four person crew. I would have Joe Tess

1138
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: to tours my play by play. I would have Lewis

1139
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Riddick as my lead booth analyst. I would have Cublic

1140
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: as my sideline analyst, and I would have one Jennifer

1141
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: Dell as my sideline reporter.

1142
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: That would be my booth.

1143
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: I wish, By the way, so when I'm college Football commissioner,

1144
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this entire show coming up in.

1145
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: A few I don't know, days, weeks, we'll see.

1146
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: But one thing I wish I could do, if I

1147
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: could just rip the entire thing apart and start from scratch,

1148
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: is I wish the college football broadcast model operated totally

1149
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: different than it does right now. It's CBS has a

1150
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: deal with the Big Ten. ESPN has a deal with

1151
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: the SEC, and like you kind of know, you're if

1152
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: you're a Big Ten fan, you're gonna get one broadcast

1153
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 1: team on the a game for that league the whole year.

1154
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: Especially if you're an SEC fan right now, if you're

1155
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: getting the number one broadcast, you're gonna get Fowler in Herbstreet.

1156
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna get You're gonna get that, and you're gonna

1157
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: get that all year because ESPN has a deal with

1158
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: your conference.

1159
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with those guys.

1160
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: What I'd love to do is I'd love to take

1161
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: the entire model and tear it down, and I would

1162
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: love to have the networks draft every week. So I

1163
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: would love to have all the games on the table,

1164
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: and I would love to have sort of a snake

1165
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: draft where CBS picks the number one game this week,

1166
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: and then NBC gets it, and then Fox gets it,

1167
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: and the ESPN gets it whatever. But they are drafting

1168
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: games and then they send their broadcast crew to do

1169
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: those games. But here's the catch. There is no stipulation

1170
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: on what you can and can't draft. So Fox could

1171
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: step up and take the number one SEC game, and

1172
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: then CBS could send Gary and Brad out to Eugene,

1173
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Oregon to do a game, and then Gus Johnson and

1174
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: Joel Klatt could be down in Gainesville doing a game,

1175
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: and then the next week they could be in Minneapolis

1176
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: doing a game. I would love for it to work

1177
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: that way. I don't think that's in the cards. But

1178
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a Tuesday show in January, so

1179
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: we can talk about whatever we want to.

1180
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Speaker 2: Uh. All right, So I have some news for you.

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Speaker 1: Earlier today, and I was looking at some of the

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Speaker 1: Y in New York. All right, we had one more question.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get to I need to be nice

1226
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: about this, but I need to be stern. Tennessee. Ryan

1227
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Speaker 1: from Adamsville, Tennessee, hit me up, he said, vallfan here.

1228
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Speaker 1: I'm glad Josh Hipel has raised the floor.

1229
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: Of this team. But here's where the question goes downhill.

1230
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: The ceiling seems far away with how Nico and the

1231
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: passing offense looked towards the end of the year. Am

1232
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: I overreacting? I'm not sure how I feel about twenty

1233
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: twenty five. Okay, do you see on the screen right

1234
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Speaker 1: there when it says but then that most of the

1235
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: question was at But I don't think we need to

1236
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: just rush through that first part. I'll get to the

1237
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: second part. But need I remind everyone Hypel's gone eleven

1238
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: and two, nine and four and ten and three. The

1239
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: last time you won double digit games before he got

1240
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: there was two thousand and seven. Between two thousand and

1241
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: seven and Josh Hypel taken over, you missed a Bowl

1242
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: seven times from eight to twenty twenty one. They missed

1243
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: a Bowl game. That means five wins or less seven

1244
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: different times. So yeah, I'd say he raised the floor

1245
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. I would say it is very safe assumption.

1246
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: It's a very safe conclusion. I wanted the paper. I

1247
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: was so emphatic that yet, Josh Hipel, he's raised the

1248
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: floor just a little bit around there. Tennessee was bad man.

1249
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: They sucked for a long time, and now we're worried

1250
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: because they went ten and three. How we're grading on

1251
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: a curve all of a sudden in Adamsville, Tennessee. Now

1252
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: I am kidding because I care, but you're looking at

1253
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: the number one offense two years ago, number nine rushing

1254
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: offense this year, number six total defense this year. Hypel's

1255
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: never called a defensive play in his life. He is

1256
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: greatly elevated the collective level of the program, level of

1257
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: play on the field, level of spending in nil is

1258
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Speaker 1: pretty top notch.

1259
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Speaker 2: Right now, I would say about.

1260
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Speaker 1: The ceiling that, yeah, I think there's still a ways

1261
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: to go for him to hit their ceiling as well.

1262
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: That's a good thing when you just went ten and

1263
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: three and there's no guarantee they're going to hit it

1264
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: this upcoming year. Mind you, there's a chance we're wrong,

1265
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: there's a chance the ceiling's not as high as we

1266
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: thought it was. But remember, you can't get much better

1267
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: than this And here's another thing, just a thought exercise.

1268
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Keep everything about Tennessee the same, Keep everything about Nico

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Speaker 1: the same. Give Tennessee Penn States draw in the playoff,

1270
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: have them play SMU in Knoxville, win. Have them go

1271
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: to Glendale to face Boise. Probably win that one too.

1272
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: Tennessee is the one in the semi finals against Notre Dame,

1273
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: and of course that's not the way football happens. What

1274
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is we wouldn't have actually changed anything about

1275
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: the program. It would just be that they didn't get

1276
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: served up as a sacrificial lamb to Ohio State in

1277
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Speaker 1: the first round. Someone else did. You'd feel a lot different.

1278
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Speaker 1: You'd feel a whole lot different about Tennessee. And in reality,

1279
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: I didn't just change a thing about the program, so

1280
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: the recency bias. The last thing you saw was then

1281
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: get splattered by a team that went on to splatter

1282
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Speaker 1: the number one team in the country, and who, for

1283
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: all we know, may end up splattering Notre Dame. Less likely,

1284
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: but could happen. What I'm saying is there's no shame

1285
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: in losing to the eventual national champ, especially when you're

1286
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: badly banged up like Tennessee was so they got work

1287
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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: They know that.

1289
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Speaker 1: But man, Tennessee football matters again, and they did not

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