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Speaker 1: I mean, I see grace. This is crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: Series X one eleven. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this fifty three fourteen Palmetto Street, the time stamp

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Speaker 1: one forty am the morning of July twenty ninth, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Inside is seemingly scared. Antonio Armstrong Junior on the phone

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Speaker 1: replied The then sixteen year old video recorded later that

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Speaker 1: morning by a crime scene unit investigator for the Houston

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Speaker 1: Police Department traces the trail to the second floor master bedroom,

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Speaker 1: the place where Tonio Armstrong Senior and wife Don were shot.

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Speaker 1: Both died. He played football for Texas A and M

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Speaker 1: We will certainly keep you updated on his condition. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel? But first to Dave

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Speaker 1: that don't know who anton Armstrong was, Phillipson, Antonio Armstrong

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Speaker 1: Nancy was. He was the All American guy. He played

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Speaker 1: So all American, good guy and a natural born leader

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Speaker 1: I talked about this so many times. I've investigated and prosecuted,

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Speaker 1: put plenty of dope dealers away, drug lords, child molesters,

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Speaker 1: testimonies saying then sixteen year old Antonio Armstrong Junior did

430
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: not here to be scared, nervous, or in shunk while

431
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: being interviewed by two homicide detectives the morning his parents,

432
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: former NFL player Antonio Armstrong Senior and Down Armstrong, were

433
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: murdered as they slept in their Bellair area home back

434
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. The detective also says aj never mentioned

435
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: seeing an intruder in the sixteen minute nine one one call,

436
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: but later told investigators he saw a masked man, So

437
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: Antonio Armstrong did not appear to be afraid, or nervous

438
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: or in shock following the murder off his parents. He

439
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: could not conjure up one good word about his mother.

440
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Jess Got Morgan, Professor forensics and death investigator,

441
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: You've been at plenty of death sayings, and usually the victims'

442
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: families are distraught. They're absolutely crushed because this is an

443
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: event that first off, no one expects it to happen,

444
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: and then when death visits these individuals. I've seen people

445
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: that are in almost a catatonic state. But then I've

446
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: seen people that are essentially falling apart emotionally. It runs

447
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: the gamut. But you know, I always take issue many

448
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: times when I go out the scenes and I see

449
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: people that are showing little or no emotion, or maybe

450
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: an inappropriate level of emotion, And certainly from an investigative standpoint,

451
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: it's going to make you look harder at that individual

452
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: to see why they're not reacting in what would be

453
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: deemed a normal manner under these abnormal circumstances. And there

454
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: is the issue of him changing his story. That's the

455
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: biggest tell in my mind of almost anything. Was he

456
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: catch somebody red handed? He now tells investigators he saw

457
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: a masked man. Where wasn't he Dave Mack in the closet,

458
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: hiding in the closet when he called nine one one. Yeah,

459
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: AYJ said that he was on the third story and

460
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: in the closet and he was hiding in fear. He

461
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: heard the gunshot and boom, He's hiding, So yeah, I

462
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: don't know how he could see anybody in the closet,

463
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: So he doesn't mention that at first. You know, it

464
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of somebody we have all analyzed

465
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: two bits, and that is miss Jodiarius, who changed her

466
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: story so many times from not being at the scene

467
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: of Travis Alexander's murder. Two ninjas with masks on their

468
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: faces covered sneaking in and murdering Travis, and she managed

469
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: to get away to self defense. This is right up

470
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: there with the ninjas. Would you agree or disagree? Joe

471
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan? It is right up there with the ninjas.

472
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: How preposterous is this? You begin to think about, you know,

473
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: who has access to this environment when one thing that

474
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: really stands out to me is who would know? Who

475
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: would actually know that this weapon was kept in a

476
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: specific area and it's apparently the same weapon that was

477
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: used to perpetrate these homicides. It's an individual that has

478
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: intimate knowledge of this environment, can move through this environment

479
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and understands where people are oriented. And I'm talking about

480
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: this man and his wife who are peacefully sleeping in

481
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: their bit and they are essentially executed. Not only that,

482
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: we now learn of a throwaway comment made later on

483
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: during the nine moment call made by the son aj

484
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Armstrong take a listen to KPRC. Houston police were on

485
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: their way at this point in Aj not a suspect.

486
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Then the dispatcher then directs him to wake up his

487
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: twelve year old sister. Later during that nine on one call, AJ,

488
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: who today stands trial accused of killing his parents, can

489
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: be heard saying something unthinkable, possibly self incriminating, quote, it's

490
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: all my fault. Wow, all my thought he thought to

491
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: say that on the nine one one call. But why?

492
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: What could possible motivation be? Take a list to ABC

493
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: thirteenth texts from October through May, up to two months

494
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: before the murders. It shows a frustrated, exhausted pair of parents,

495
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Dawn and Antonio, telling Aj over and over he's a

496
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: quote disappointment that they're tired of his lying, he's spending

497
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: money his bad grades. In April, Antonio Senior texted AJ,

498
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm sick of getting reports about silly crap you are doing.

499
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Keep screwing up and doing silly things like speed through

500
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: the park. I'm trading your car and for one that

501
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: matches your maturity. Last morning. This text from mom in June.

502
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: We gave you all and the best we had. We

503
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: wanted the best for you. We provided the best education,

504
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: bought you a great car. To celebrate you. We tried

505
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: to be open with you and what was important to you,

506
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: and all you do is lie to us, scheme behind

507
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: our backs. Okay, you're hearing the inner thoughts and feelings

508
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: of the mom and dad and they're threatening to change

509
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: out his new car. Remember at the time, he's sixteen

510
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: years old. Time stories with Nancy Grace. What more do

511
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: we know about the disagreements between the son Aj and

512
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: the mom and dad? Dave mack Well, what we know,

513
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Nancy is that Aj was not the golden child that

514
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: he pretends to be. He had been kicked out of

515
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: an exclusive school called King Kaid and that was over

516
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: pot and pot dealing, pot smoking. We know that this

517
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: was a major friction between Aj and his parents, to

518
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the point where his mom wrote in a text message

519
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: in April, we know I know you were sneaking out

520
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: because the alarm doesn't lie. The alarm caught AJ leaving

521
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: the house. You know how we talked about that a

522
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: minute ago? How that Mark? Yeah, they used that alarm

523
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: to prove that Aj was lying to them he was

524
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: sneaking out at night. In addition to the anks between

525
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: mom and dad and sixteen year old son, which could

526
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: be true of any American family, James shell Nut. We

527
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: also learn that the teen boy and I quote, practiced

528
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: killing his NFL dad and mom four months before shooting

529
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: them dad. Now what do I mean by that? He

530
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: practiced how to silence a gun with blankets and pillows

531
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: and the run up to his parents' murders. Also in

532
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: his room was a crack pipe pipe. I'm not talking

533
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: about an adderall here and there. Smoking a joint crack

534
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: is a whole another thing, shell Nut, And I gotta

535
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: tell you that police found the twenty two caliber pistol

536
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: on a counter, along with a note that says, I've

537
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: been watching you for a long time. Really, that's a

538
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: fake note? Why what killer? I mean? It sounds like

539
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and I've used this phrase before when I'm talking about

540
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: the John and a Ramsey case and the Rasom note.

541
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: It sounds like a fifth grade girl wrote a mystery novel.

542
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I've been watching you as total byes. It stinks right

543
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: here in the studio just saying it. And practicing with

544
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: pillows and blankets. He knew he was gonna have access

545
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: to pillows and blankets and he's gonna shoot him in

546
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: their sleep, and he practiced for months leading up to

547
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: their murders. Absolutely, you know. As soon as you said

548
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: that about the ransom note, and I've read that in

549
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: proposial story, I will tell you that's the first thing

550
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: that came to minds John and a Ramsey case. How

551
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: ridiculously corny, how absurd, and it's just nothing like person

552
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: would actually right if they were left a note. And

553
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: my boy, I've never seen a killer leave a note

554
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: at the sea. Total b. Yes, it's not murder, she wrote,

555
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, forget about the hokey note. The teen boy

556
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: wrote in Aj Armstrong's bedroom, Cops, fine, not only a

557
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: crack pipe, but a pillow in a comforter set with

558
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: bullet holes through them. So here are their choices. You

559
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: got Aj Armstrong, the teen boy who's angry about his

560
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: car being snatched, and a twelve year old girl who

561
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: comes down rubbing her eyes out of the sleep, out

562
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: of her eyes. Those are the choices. It's not a

563
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: murder suicide because the weapon would have been dropped by

564
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the killer right there when he committed suicide after murdering

565
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: the spouse, So it's not murder suicide. Please, let's get real.

566
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: The little girl did not kill her parents. She's asleep

567
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: in fact, aj Armstrong says, two, nine one one, let

568
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: me go at my sister, she's asleep in bed. That

569
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: leaves him well, And I would even know she was

570
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: asleep if he wasn't already up yet, Nancy jump in

571
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to the nine one one calls. I

572
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: keep pointing this out over and over again, and people

573
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: are always blown away by this. Twenty percent of the time,

574
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: the person who committed a homicide is the person who

575
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: makes the nine one one call. And when they do,

576
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're familiar with this term minimization, they

577
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: minimize the circumstances and they minimize their role in the circumstances.

578
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: So everything that you're saying, and the way that he's

579
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: describing where he is, the way he's describing that he

580
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, he has knowledge that his sister's awake, but

581
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: yet he's in a closet, that he doesn't know where

582
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: the gun is, but I think it might be here,

583
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: and that he has ringing in his ears, but yet

584
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: it happened in another room. You're right, Gilliam. Listen to

585
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: our cut twenty Our friends at ABC Houston Police say

586
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: there were no signs of a break in. Investigators found

587
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: bullet holes on the floor of AJ's room, in a

588
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: pillow and comforter in his closet, but AJ's fingerprints in

589
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: DNA were not on the gun that was found on

590
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: the kitchen counter, along with the note that read I

591
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: have been watching for a long time. Get me So

592
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: with all of this evidence, why has this happened? Take

593
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: a listen twenty eight kp R. C. Houston. When you

594
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: look at this case, by the numbers two mistrials in

595
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: the most recent trial, the jury deliberating some seventeen hours

596
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: fifty eight minutes, sending several notes of concern to Judge Johnson,

597
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: ultimately split eight four not guilty here. But whether A J.

598
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Armstrong did it isn't the question at hand tonight. Rather,

599
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: why is it that prosecutors weren't able to successfully unanimously

600
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: swayed yours is at this time on the court's own motion,

601
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I am declaring a mistrial in this case, straight from

602
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: Judge Kelly Johnson's mouth hung jewelry. In the case of AJ.

603
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: Armstrong Junior, they brought their best prosecutors, They tried to

604
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: bring their best case, and the split as far as

605
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: we know when they broke was a for not guilty.

606
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: And last but not least, we find after his both

607
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: of his parents are shot dead. Aj Armstrong starts a

608
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: fire right there in the home. Jess got Morgan, what

609
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: is happening? Why did he start a fire? How did

610
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: he start a fire? Most people that are involved with

611
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: fire setting like this as as a result of a

612
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: homicide perhaps are trying to, you know, to destroy evidence.

613
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: And apparently it didn't work very well. What was burned?

614
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: The carpet. You know, they went in and took a

615
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: big example of the carpet in this particular cation that's

616
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: been used in court in these other two trials, and

617
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: you know what would happen is that they would clip

618
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: this out and examine it and to see what the

619
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: origin of the fire was. How was it initiated? Now

620
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: I doubt that this individ was going to be a

621
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: professional firestarter, but was there accelerant there? And that's hard

622
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to do with carpet, you know why, because carpet itself,

623
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: if it's synthetic, it is actually petroleum based. A lot

624
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: of people don't realize that. So they have to separate

625
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: this out and be very careful about it. But you know,

626
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: this wasn't very sophisticated. But why would he start a fire?

627
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: And where in the home and when would he have

628
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to start a fire? I think I think

629
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: that this goes to no DNA was found on the weapon.

630
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that he had a block of time here

631
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: that's unaccounted for, where he went and probably cleaned the weapon,

632
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: washed his hands perhaps, And in addition to that, in

633
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: addition to that, he's going to try to start a

634
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: fire in proximity to the bodies to burn them up

635
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: to get it, you know, to give this this idea

636
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: that there's not going to be any evidence. And of

637
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: course it didn't work. It just it collapsed in on itself.

638
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: And so again that goes back to this idea, who

639
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: would have had access to that particular area, who would

640
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: have had the ability to start a fire approximating whereas

641
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: parents were actually found murder? So, Dave mac two mistrials.

642
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: What's going to happen now? Actually it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a third trial now, Nancy, in February of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: They're going to try one more time to get twelve

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Speaker 1: people to say guilty. Wow, with this evidence, I mean

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not

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Speaker 1: to see that this guy, then sixteen years old and

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Speaker 1: angry about his car getting taken away, murdered his parents.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I don't understand what's happening. We'll keep you

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Speaker 1: updated as trial nears. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,