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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Era.

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Speaker 3: Towards Jason Martin.

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Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Busy, busy,

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Speaker 2: first weekend in May to sagre. Just gave you all

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Speaker 2: the updates Kentucky Derby Game seven in the nf NHL.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to Game seven in Denver in a minute.

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Speaker 2: But first of all, Jason Martin and are Nashville Fox

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Speaker 3: What's going on, man? How you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well, man, doing well. Watched what I hoped

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Speaker 4: was gonna be a really entertaining Game seven. It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Then I flipped over to one that was entertaining in

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Speaker 4: the hockey, and I'm hopeful that tomorrow night's Game seven

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Speaker 4: is certainly a lot better than the unwatchable one that

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Speaker 4: we got after a half tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, shout out to the East Coast

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Speaker 2: Baseball first pitch at ten fifteen Eastern time.

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Speaker 4: I can't even find it, man, it's my braves and

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Speaker 4: it's like I can't find it on television anywhere trying

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Speaker 4: to get to it, can't find it. Okay, we'll keep

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Speaker 4: not on Fox. Our local news is on in Fox Okay.

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Speaker 2: Well Braves Dodgers one to one in the second and

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Speaker 2: in two outs. Uh Sasaki on the mound. We won't

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Speaker 2: we won't do play by play. But it's one one

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Speaker 2: in the second A ten point fifteen Eastern start time,

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Speaker 2: first pitch in Atlanta. But we're not here to break

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Speaker 2: down regular season baseball. We're here to break down Game

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Speaker 2: seven in the NBA playoffs. Yeah, I was excited. I

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Speaker 2: was trying. I was trying to sell it. Uh, Dan

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Speaker 2: Byron Ryan Hollis just broke it down really well. But

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Speaker 2: we did have a game seven, Los Angeles Clippers against

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets, a game which started out with potential.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Clippers were up by five after the first quarter.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately that evaporated quick, down eleven after the at eleven

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Speaker 2: at the half, excuse me, down twenty seven going into

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Made it's somewhat respectable late a one

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Speaker 2: twenty one oh one win.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the.

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Speaker 2: Den perspective in just a little bit, Jason, but we

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Speaker 2: got to start with the Los Angeles Clippers.

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Speaker 3: I live here in LA and I was sold. This

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Speaker 3: year is gonna be different.

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Speaker 2: This year is the year they finally playing great basketball late.

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Speaker 2: And all I said was, if the team's built around

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Speaker 2: James Harden and your team's built around Kawhi Leonard, James

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Speaker 2: Harden's gonna come up short in the playoffs. Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 2: will probably get hurt. Thankfully, Kawhi didn't get hurt, but

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Speaker 2: James Harden did come up short, and the Clippers lose

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Speaker 2: a Game seven in Denver one twenty to one on one.

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Speaker 4: All right, So what's interesting is at the half, I

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Speaker 4: was thinking to myself, you know what, James Harden's playing

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Speaker 4: pretty hard. He had ten assists in a half in

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Speaker 4: a Game seven, which is the first time since Rondo

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Speaker 4: with the Celtics many years ago that anybody has done that.

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Speaker 4: I felt like he was active. I felt like he

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Speaker 4: was trying pretty hard. And I was like, all right,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to watch this subjectively. You know where I've

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Speaker 4: been on James Harden for a very long time. I've

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Speaker 4: never waivered on that opinion, but I'll watching it. It

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Speaker 4: was just like, you know, I feel like he's played

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Speaker 4: hard during the series. I've been more impressed with him

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Speaker 4: in a Clippers uniform than I expected to be when

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Speaker 4: he got out there. Then they start showing the highlights

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Speaker 4: during the half, and they're pointing out second chance opportunities

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Speaker 4: and second effort plays by the Nuggets, And so I'm

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Speaker 4: those second effort plays. There's someone out there on defense

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Speaker 4: and it's hard, like it is the straight up Mattador defense.

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Speaker 4: And like, I mean, he's not really trying to contest anything.

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Speaker 4: He would try to make an outlet pass or something,

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Speaker 4: I started watching that, I was like, Okay, well, that

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Speaker 4: still reminds me of the old Harden, the defensive harden

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Speaker 4: But I felt like he was more active. And then

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Speaker 4: was two for eight, seven points. He did have thirteen assists. Again,

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Speaker 4: I thought he was active and looking to get some

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Speaker 4: guys involved in the first half, But my goodness, this

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Speaker 4: is James Harden. This is what James Harden has always

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Speaker 4: been when you needed him the most in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I saw stat shortly before we went on air that

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Speaker 4: entering this game, seven twenty five percent of his playoff

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Speaker 4: And a quarter of his games he hasn't even scored.

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Speaker 4: He scored fifteen or less in those moments he or

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Speaker 4: he didn't get half of that he got seven. Kawhi

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Speaker 4: at least got you twenty two. A lot of it

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Speaker 4: was early because once it was decided, Kawhi went head

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Speaker 4: up load management for twenty twenty six at that point

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Speaker 4: in time. And I can't have blame him. They weren't

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Speaker 4: coming back. But this Clippers team I never really bought

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Speaker 4: in because the centerpieces of the team were not trustworthy players.

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Speaker 4: They weren't players that you could rely upon. And I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna do it yet, but I told you before

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Speaker 4: actually a Clipper. One of the players in this game,

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Speaker 4: a hypothetical that isn't a real thing. It's something that

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Speaker 4: couldn't be true now, But what if it were true?

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Speaker 4: This right here is just this was a horrible effort

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Speaker 4: in that second half. I think, over a like fifteen

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Speaker 4: the Nuggets outscored them fifty two to twenty one and

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Speaker 4: just blew them completely off the floor. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: this is a night folks. If you didn't get to

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Speaker 4: watch the game. Were neither Nikola Jokic or Jamal Murray

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Speaker 4: played particularly well. They didn't even score like that. Neither

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Speaker 4: one of them I think had twenty, but they had

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Speaker 4: six dudes with at least twelve points with like ten

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Speaker 4: And this ain't just altitude. This is just one of

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Speaker 4: these teams understood what it was like to be in

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Speaker 4: a game seven and win, an the other one didn't

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Speaker 4: have any clue.

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Speaker 3: So a couple thoughts on hard and one.

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Speaker 2: You bring up the assist totals and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you had tennisis first of all, you mentioned getting out

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Speaker 2: you know, first of all, like I get the notion

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Speaker 2: he had tennis. And I'm not saying that, I'm not

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Speaker 2: criticizing like the thought that you had. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: the Clippers. He was their leading scorer during the regular

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Speaker 2: excuse me in it over the course of the season,

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Speaker 2: and this was a game where he finished with He

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Speaker 2: finished with a grand total of seven points on two

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Speaker 2: And so don't sell me on the thirteen points per game.

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Speaker 3: The thirteen assist.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, because the reason that everybody sold me on

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Speaker 2: averaging twenty three a game during the regular season, and oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, during the regular season, averaged sixteen shot

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Speaker 3: So I just sit there and say.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of four from three, two of eight

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Speaker 2: by the way, for fun, I went back and looked

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Speaker 2: it up because I was thinking about the game seven

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Speaker 2: a few years ago when he was in Philly and

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Speaker 2: he choked and immediately blamed Doc Rivers. Last three game

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Speaker 2: sevens for James Harden tonight, I should say, deciding games.

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Speaker 2: So seven points on two of eight shooting tonight last

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Speaker 2: I just bring it up because it's a trend, and

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Speaker 2: he could sit there and say they needed better efforts

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Speaker 2: James Harden is a guy that is getting paid a

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Speaker 2: By the way, Kawhi Leonard, for all of the you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for a reason the Clippers lost, it

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Speaker 2: is because James Harden came up short yet again in

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Speaker 3: It's just the facts.

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Speaker 4: It's indisputable. Yeah, no, that's that's absolutely right. The ten

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Speaker 4: right basketball play there. He should have had like thirteen

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Speaker 4: great looks that he gave them because he was attracting

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Speaker 4: a lot of attention. I felt like he was making

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Speaker 4: smart basketball plays at that point in time, as opposed

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Speaker 4: to playing hero ball in a way that wasn't going

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Speaker 4: to benefit his team. But nothing you just said. That

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Speaker 4: doesn't dispute anything, And you just said it doesn't change

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Speaker 4: anything that you just said at all. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: throw this hypothetical to you, now, do it excited? All right?

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Speaker 4: It's not about Harden because there's nothing hypothetical there. Like,

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Speaker 4: we know what James Harden is. We know what your

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Speaker 4: it's not going to be a champion. Okay. If let's

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Speaker 4: go back in time, if Kevin Durant had not gotten

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Speaker 4: majority of the world believes that the Warriors would have

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Speaker 4: won that championship and not the Raptors. Correct nineteen, Yes, yes, Okay,

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Speaker 4: So we know that Kawhi had won in San Antonio.

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Speaker 4: We understand this, and he had a nice in San Antonio. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: how would we be looking at Kawhi Leonard today compared

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Speaker 4: to the fact that he does have that title that

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Speaker 4: we always still think about and we think about that

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Speaker 4: we talk about guys like a Harden, like a Paul George,

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Speaker 2: Come back, Jamart. I do want to talk to the

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Speaker 6: Well, it was talked about last hour, the stat that

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Speaker 6: most of that in the first half, when it was

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Speaker 6: a competitive game. He was two of eight shooting from

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Speaker 6: the floor. The Nuggets with a seventeen to oh run

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Speaker 6: in the third quarter. Denver goes to Oklahoma City for

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Speaker 6: a Game one on Monday. But if you thought Harden's

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Speaker 6: Game seven history was bad, allow me to introduce you

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Speaker 6: to the Colorado Avalanche, who had a two nothing lead

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Speaker 6: in Game seven at Dallas in the third period Tonight,

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00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 6: give up four straight goals in the third. The Stars

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Speaker 6: advance four to two the final. I have seen the

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Speaker 6: list going back to Colorado's postseason in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 6: when they won a Game seven to advance. You see

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 6: a couple weeks after that, they lost to Game seven

447
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Speaker 6: at Detroit seven to nothing. That has started a stretch

448
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Speaker 6: where the Avalanche have not won a Game seven in

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Speaker 6: over twenty years. It's been seven straight game sevens that

450
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Speaker 6: they dropped, even tonight's Game seven, where again they led

451
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Speaker 6: to nothing in the third. Sovereignty won the Kentucky derby

452
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Speaker 6: beating the favorite journalism on a muddy track. Scotti Scheffler

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Speaker 6: leads by eight strokes. In Texas and Major League Soccer

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Speaker 6: San Diego has shut out Dallas five nothing to Major

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Speaker 6: League Baseball show Hey Otani with his eighth home run

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Speaker 6: of the season. The Dodgers are leading at Atlanta three

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Speaker 6: to one in the top of the fourth. This was

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Speaker 6: supposed to be the game for most of the country

459
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Speaker 6: on Fox Sunday Night Baseball, but rain to lay at

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Speaker 6: the start of over three hours, and we did hear

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Speaker 6: from our beloved co hosts that no, Atlanta's not carrying it,

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Speaker 6: but La most certainly is carrying the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: On the local Fox affiliate, Where'd.

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Speaker 4: You find It? FS two?

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Speaker 3: Whoa here?

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Speaker 4: So yeah?

467
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Speaker 6: John Smoltz and the booth, the regular Fox booth was

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Speaker 6: there and the cameras were ready to go. It was

469
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Speaker 6: just thunderstorms all night, and some people were very let's say,

470
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Speaker 6: not positive that this game was gonna happen tonight, but

471
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Speaker 6: they so didn't want to play two tomorrow that they

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Speaker 6: just waited till literally after ten to twenty Eastern time

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Speaker 6: to start this game. So now top of the fourth

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Speaker 6: and Otani has just singled. It's a three to one

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Speaker 6: Dodger lead, and again only fourth inning. By the way,

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Speaker 6: an RBI single for ta Oscar Hernandez of La. He

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Speaker 6: has thirty three RBIs already. He's tied with Aaron Judge

478
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Speaker 6: for the most runs betted in in all of baseball

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Speaker 6: so far this season. In Anaheim, I would say this

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Speaker 6: is the late game, but this game's already in the

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Speaker 6: top of the eighth inning. The Angels have lost seven

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Speaker 6: in a row. They're leading five to one over Detroit.

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Speaker 6: Seattle won its six straight game two to one at

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Speaker 6: Texas with a run in the top of the ninth inning.

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Speaker 6: San Diego with a run in the top of the

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Speaker 6: ninth on a wild pitch, two to one winners at Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 6: rain out for the Mets at Saint Louis. They'll play

488
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Speaker 6: a doubleheader tomorrow, and before we pass it back the

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Speaker 6: folks at stats and say, in all of major pro

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Speaker 6: sports history in North America, the Colorado Avalanche are the

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Speaker 6: first team to lose seven straight Game sevens beg to woh.

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Speaker 2: Makes James Harden look like Bill Russell over there. Goodness, gracious,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Steven sag Or, Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Erra Tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio studios. Jam mart really quickly, just want to get

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Speaker 2: into the other side of Game seven. We talked a

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Speaker 2: lot in the first segment at eleven Eastern about the

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Speaker 2: Clippers losing Game seven.

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Speaker 3: What does it mean all of that?

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Speaker 2: My question for you does Denver winning this series and

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Speaker 2: certainly winning Game seven in commanding fashion, does it change

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Speaker 2: any of the things that you thought about Denver. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 2: they fired Mike Malone in the waning days of the

504
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Speaker 2: regular season. Adamman comes in and you know it. Listen,

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Speaker 2: we talked about it. I'll admit that I basically I

506
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: felt like they were basically punting on a season, in

507
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Speaker 2: what should be another Nicole Jokic MVP season. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was weird to fire the head coach. Does this

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Speaker 2: actually change anything for you or was this just Hey,

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Speaker 2: they had Game seven at home, they won in seven.

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Speaker 2: Let's not over exaggerate this thing.

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Speaker 4: I thought they were going to win the series before

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Speaker 4: it started. I did not think they were punting on

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Speaker 4: the season. I think that they thought things were so

515
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Speaker 4: ugly behind the scenes between the GM and Mike Malone,

516
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Speaker 4: that it was toxic, that it was affecting everything else

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Speaker 4: that was happening in that building, and that the season

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Speaker 4: was lost if something didn't happen. So I actually think

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Speaker 4: it was a salvage job. But I also think that

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Speaker 4: they knew. I don't feel like ownership felt great about

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Speaker 4: their chances to win a championship, so I don't think

522
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Speaker 4: that it mattered the timing of it, but they thought

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Speaker 4: they might have a better shot if they could put

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Speaker 4: some kind of fresh air in it and let the

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Speaker 4: players start to play a little more. But in terms

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Speaker 4: of how I see them going forward, it's not a

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Speaker 4: team like I'm a Thunder fan, so I'm not thrilled

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Speaker 4: that it's the Nuggets because it's a team that has

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Speaker 4: won a title. It's a team that has maybe the

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Speaker 4: best player in the world on it in Jokic, and

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Speaker 4: it's a team that when they get hot, they can

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Speaker 4: be incredibly difficult to beat. But I do not think

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Speaker 4: they will beat the Thunder. And the reason why is

534
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Speaker 4: because there's an inconsistency problem with the way that they operate.

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Speaker 4: And I don't generally mean Jokic when I'm talking about this,

536
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Speaker 4: but there's way too many streaky guys and there's way

537
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Speaker 4: too much inconsistent basketball. That's what they're going to have

538
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Speaker 4: to figure out when they make the permanent higher and

539
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Speaker 4: kind of try to get things nailed down during this

540
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Speaker 4: all season. But this is where it's going to bite them,

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Speaker 4: because the consistency of the Thunder is what's been so

542
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Speaker 4: impressive about the run. It's not the fifty point game

543
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Speaker 4: from Sga. It's the fact that he's almost never off

544
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Speaker 4: and they play great defense on top of that, and

545
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Speaker 4: they're full of youth, and they're not full of guys

546
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: that played me first basketball. They're not full of aloof guys.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a bad matchup for Denver, and

548
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Speaker 4: so I think that they've kind of maxed out with

549
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: what you would expect from them this year based on

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Speaker 4: everything that they've gone through and just kind of the

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00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: cycle of things. They're a good veteran team that has

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Speaker 4: one that I think is about to run into a

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Speaker 4: buzzsaw of a kind of almost like a Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 4: ish kind of team. That's just it just feels like

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Speaker 4: it might be their moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm actually with you.

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Speaker 2: I think that it will be very easy to kind

558
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Speaker 2: of default to, Oh, you know, one, it was the

559
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: definitive best thing to fire Mike Malone, and you know,

560
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: they've turned a corner and they figured it out. To me,

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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting talking point. I would also

562
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: sit here and say, you know, they win in seven games.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, they were.

564
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Speaker 2: Trailing two to one when the Aaron Gordon you know,

565
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: miracle dunk goes through to win Game four, and oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, they won Game one in overtime. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was just more curious for your perspective. And again,

568
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Speaker 2: I know part of it too is that you obviously,

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Speaker 2: being a Thunder fan, you're obviously going to see the

570
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Speaker 2: Nuggets in the second round. But yeah, I guess I

571
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Speaker 2: guess what I would say is that from my perspective,

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Speaker 2: I would like to say that this is good because

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Speaker 2: you know, listen, at their best, they're an incredible team

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Speaker 2: and they're so for sure to watch, but I was,

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Speaker 2: you know, I was curious if you felt like it

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Speaker 2: was a big thing, And to.

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Speaker 3: Me, it really isn't.

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Speaker 4: Great.

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Speaker 3: Great series win.

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Speaker 2: Credit to credit where it's due, but I also think

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Speaker 2: it's hard to see them beating Okay c But again

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Speaker 2: based on the fact that seven game series, UH winning

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Speaker 2: overtime in Game one, miracle winning Game four, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not excited, and I don't think they've necessarily turned

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Speaker 2: any incredible corner.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean it was too too in the regular

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00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: season between those teams, right, and they opened up the

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00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: season against one another. And again it's a team that

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Speaker 4: the one thing that you can't generally count out as

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Speaker 4: the heart of a champion once you get into the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: Like if they start to feel it and they start

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Speaker 4: to remember those days from a few years ago when

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Speaker 4: they were dominating and when they won a title, you know,

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: all bets can be off in that situation because right

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: now the thunder are starting to enter that rarefied air

596
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Speaker 4: that they haven't been in before. Like the guys that

597
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: are on this roster aren't used to this, and the

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Speaker 4: Nuggets are in large part so that you know, that's

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Speaker 4: always kind of the it's it's the X factor. It's

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Speaker 4: the thing that you can't that you have to just

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Speaker 4: kind of wait and see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 4: I do think it should be a dramatic series. I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna be some kind of a blowout

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Speaker 4: series or anything like that. I just think the thunder

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00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: are ready for the moment. But I'm looking forward as

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Speaker 4: a basketball fan to watching it, even though you know

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Speaker 4: it might be my heart might not be able to

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Speaker 4: take it quite as well. But it's a really nice,

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Speaker 4: really enticing semi final matchup. It really is just like

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Speaker 4: on the flip side, that Nick Celtics series is gonna

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Speaker 4: be outstanding.

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Speaker 2: Nick Celtic's Game one will be Monday night, Denver, OKC.

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Speaker 2: Game one will be Monday night. Obviously, on Sunday, we'll

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Speaker 2: have Game one of Indie Cleveland and Game seven of

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Speaker 2: Golden State in Houston, which we will discuss later in

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Speaker 2: the show. Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back when we.

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Speaker 2: Do, j mart We're gonna go full on TMZ because

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Speaker 2: you know the relationship that's sweeping America. I gotta hear

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Speaker 2: your take. Bill Belichick. Jordan Hudson, good, Oh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss it next. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Aaron Torris, Jason Martin. We are broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Mary mac aj

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Speaker 2: nothing but a number banger. I mean, well, there's more

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Speaker 2: than one way I can perceive what you just said,

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Speaker 2: given that we will be talking about Bill Belichick AJ

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Speaker 2: nothing but a number. Mary calls it a banger. The song, well,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It's trub Bill in Paradise right now,

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Speaker 2: because goodness, gracious, okay, so let's talk goodness.

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Speaker 4: I just wait a second. Did you say trub Bill.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's troub Bill in Paradise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: We went from Chapel Bill to treub Bill in Paradise

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Speaker 2: very quickly.

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Speaker 3: What angle do you want to take? So here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: We all saw the.

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Speaker 2: CBS interview at this point that was a week ago.

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Speaker 2: Now we've done that news cycle.

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Speaker 3: Then we find.

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00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Out all this other stuff that basically there was supposed

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00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: to be a college hard knocks with UNC and she

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Speaker 2: was basically it wasn't her.

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Speaker 3: This is the girlfriend Jordan Hudson.

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Speaker 2: I know everybody listening knows, but twenty four year old

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Speaker 2: girlfriend of Bill Belichick. She wanted to come on as

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Speaker 2: like an executive producer or whatever, and she wanted creative

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Speaker 2: control and HBO basically told her to kick rock. So

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Speaker 2: she screwed that up or she was heavily involved with

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Speaker 2: that being screwed up.

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Speaker 3: Then we also found.

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Speaker 2: Out that she's got eight million dollars in real estate

653
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Speaker 2: holdings in the state of Massachusetts. So I think there's

654
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. I'll let you take it

655
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: wherever you want. And by the way, I'll just say

656
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: very quickly, I'll give the caveat because some people why

657
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: you talk about somebody's personal life, Well, he's the highest,

658
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: he's a ten million dollar year head coach at State University,

659
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: and she clearly has some role in the athletic department,

660
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 2: whether it's official on the books for the university or not.

661
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: So now the personal life is seeping into the professional life,

662
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: and that's why I feel like it's totally fair game

663
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: to talk about. And so with that, Jamart, I will

664
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Speaker 2: let you take Bill Belichick, Jordan Hudson wherever you'd like.

665
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Speaker 4: My friend all right, So I'm not going to talk

666
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: about his personal life at all, because in terms of

667
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: the personal side of it, I mean it's too consenting adults, right, Like,

668
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: I mean, whatever, it's their relationship. You know, there are

669
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: certain moral sides of that that this isn't the time

670
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: to get into. But I just want to look at

671
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: it from the perspective of Bill Belichick's career because that's

672
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 4: what we're paid to do, is analyze and talk about that.

673
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: And this just screams to me that Bill Belichick is

674
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: just off. Like there's something that's been off about this

675
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: the entire time, and it kind of just makes me

676
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: wish he was still just on TV doing those hits

677
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: and having a blast. Like it looked like he was

678
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: living his best life on the Manning Cast and he

679
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: was just having a good time. It's just like I

680
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: enjoyed that Bill Belichick. I enjoyed the one that just

681
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: showed that he loved football by talking about it and

682
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: even you know, it gave a little bit of the

683
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: business back to ELI and stuff like that. Like I

684
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: had a good time watching that Bill Belichick, and I

685
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: thought he was really good on TV and just enjoyable.

686
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: It was very raw, but it was raw in a

687
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: good way. To me, this whole thing, like taking the

688
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: North Carolina job, Jordan Hudson and everything that's surrounding that,

689
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: it's hard not to look at that and just say,

690
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: I mean, she's using him. It's hard not to look

691
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: at that. And I understand the real estate holdings and

692
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: all this other stuff, but it's just like Bill Belichick.

693
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: It can't be the only one that doesn't realize this.

694
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: And if he does realize it, then he just doesn't

695
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: care because he is getting something out of this that

696
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: he wants in general. But I look at it just

697
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: from a work standpoint and say, Jordan Hudson is a

698
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: major obstacle for North Carolina to deal with. It's not

699
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: about the media, it's not about CBS. It's about what

700
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: kind of control does she have over Bill? What decision

701
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: making power does she have when there aren't cameras around

702
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: and when it's not official decisions. How much is he

703
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: listening to her? What has she convinced him to give

704
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 4: her when it comes to professional side stuff, That to

705
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: me is and I don't know that we're ever going

706
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: to get the answers to that, But this whole thing

707
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: just rings false to me, and I have seen the

708
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: mid life crisis and all this other mess and all

709
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 4: that stuff. I just feel like this Bill Belichick is

710
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: just kind of all over the map, sort of in

711
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: a like you don't really understand any of what's going on,

712
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: is where I am on it. It's just kind of

713
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: there's very much. I'm very skeptical that her motives are

714
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: anything but self absorbed, and just like the way in

715
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: which she's trying to control this situation. None of this

716
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: is good for Bill. None of this is good for

717
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: Belichick from a legacy standpoint, from a reputation standpoint, any

718
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 4: of those things. Yet she hasn't really wavered on any

719
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: of it. She's making herself, she's putting herself more in

720
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: front of people than she needs to be, and it's

721
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Speaker 4: reflecting badly on him. And if she cared about him,

722
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: she would stop doing that. But it doesn't seem to

723
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Speaker 4: be the way that she's going.

724
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and on the professional side, I would say

725
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: it's clear that you know, I just think it's obvious

726
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: she's in over her head in terms of the responsibilities

727
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: that she's taken on. You know, I mean, I know

728
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: you're not on social media, but there was even I

729
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: think Stuart Mandel from The Athletic pointed out she has

730
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: a Twitter account that she had not tweeted from in

731
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Speaker 2: like five years, and then all of a sudden she

732
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: went on Twitter, you know, a day or two after

733
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Speaker 2: the CBS Sport CBS News thing, and all of a

734
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: sudden she's retweeting support of herself from her own count

735
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: So on the professional side, it's clear that she is

736
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: in over her head. From the Belichick side, I'll be real,

737
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: is you know the thing that stood out to me

738
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Speaker 2: and I think you kind of just framed it as

739
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's just weird and whatever. Is like first

740
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: time that I ever remember Belichick seemed weak to me,

741
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, you sat there and you

742
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: watched him and he was sort of on it, you know,

743
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: because listen, we can all go back to a million

744
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: press conferences in New England.

745
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Doesn't get a question. He likes, we're on the Cincinnati.

746
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Boom done, end of story, deal with it. This one,

747
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: it was like, I don't really want to answer that.

748
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't should I answer that I'm gonna and he

749
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: starts and then she's jumping in saying no, no, we're not

750
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: answering that, we're not talking about it. We're and she's

751
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: And that was the thing that stood out, is like,

752
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: like you said, is that the Belichick that we knew.

753
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: You know, we'll figure out between the white lines, if

754
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: he's still got any degree of whatever, uh you know,

755
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: coaching magic left in him, But the Belichick that we

756
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: knew personality wise. That and I think it's the point

757
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have brought up, but that

758
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, do your job, no distractions, no days off

759
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: like that is not the Bill Belichick. That it appears

760
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: as though the North that North Carolina got Jmartin.

761
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's that's uh,

762
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: that's well said. I think that. And he's always been

763
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: somebody's been so meticulous about control, and he's been so

764
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: meticulous about detail. Not that he's going to divulge that detail,

765
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: but he's always been a thinking man in terms of

766
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: the way he's strategized, almost diabolically to some degree, and

767
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 4: to like it. That's why it's so like the record skips,

768
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: you get the voot in that moment where she's like,

769
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: we're not going to answer that, like we yep, but

770
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: when has Bill Belichick needed someone to speak for him.

771
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: He would prefer to say things in like incomplete sentences

772
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: and then move on, like you mean on to Cincinnati,

773
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: Like she doesn't need to be the one that is

774
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: speaking up in those moments. That's where it's like how

775
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: much control does this person have over Bill Belichick? That

776
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: she seems to be like defining what he's doing, Like

777
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: is she his agent in some way? Is she his

778
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: attorney in some way? And I just mean, like how

779
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: she's being like perceived. Obviously she's not an attorney, but

780
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 4: what is she doing? What is her public relations role?

781
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: When you talk about her being out of her depth,

782
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: she's completely out of her depth. She has no idea

783
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: what she's doing. And I just have to wonder if

784
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: North Carolina, if the powers to be there are just

785
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: kind of like what have we done here? Because this

786
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: wasn't part of the deal We signed Bill Belichick. We

787
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: didn't sign assistant coach Hudson or assistant athletic director Hudson

788
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: like and I think the other problem with this is

789
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: when you see things like this, none of this has

790
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 4: anything to do with football whatsoever. That's it's not gonna

791
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: be good for North Carolina this year. The focus, the attention,

792
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: everything seems to be exactly where it doesn't need to

793
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: be right now. And that again is very anti Bill Belichick.

794
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: And that would give me a lot of pause to

795
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: feel like this is going to be any kind of

796
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: a success in Chapel Hill.

797
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: Well and really quickly. And I think that there's two

798
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: things there.

799
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: One that's why we should be talking about it is

800
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: because she's clearly taken on some sort of administrative role

801
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: at North Carolina. Whether she's an official employee or not,

802
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: you know that she's clearly taken on some role that

803
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: it was not anticipated. As far as the football stuff,

804
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious, just like you are. If he goes eleven

805
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: and one, it's all forgotten. I just don't think any

806
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: of us think he's going eleven and one at this point.

807
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torris, Jason Martin broadcasting for the

808
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809
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Speaker 2: of Fame coach and Bill Belichick to one who's definitely

810
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Speaker 2: not JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 2: am Eastern. Bernie Fritto as always will follow us, but

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Speaker 2: we got a lot take it to jmart.

822
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Speaker 3: Including Story of the week. It's in the NBA. Not

823
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: a great week for pretty.

824
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: Much anybody involved with the Lakers. You know, you and

825
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: I have joked the greatest dynasty that never was. There's

826
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: been some incredible revisionist history how this team was never

827
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: built to win an NBA title, which runs it runs

828
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: completely counter to everything that I saw on TV for

829
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Speaker 2: about a month stretch after Luka Doncic made his Lakers

830
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: debut and I was told that this was the best

831
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: team in the league, they were gonna win a title. Whatever,

832
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: I'll tell you where it wasn't revisionist history where Jay

833
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: Mark this time slot right here on that let's go.

834
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: So you mean to tell me that you and I, well,

835
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we must be the best basketball analyst on

836
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: the planet because we saw a team with a forty

837
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: eight year old star, another star that's out of shape,

838
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: no rim protection at all, no real interest in playing defense.

839
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: So you mean to tell me that you're not surprised

840
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: that the Lakers five games gone NBA Playoffs gentlemen sweep,

841
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: not quite the sweep, but Minnesota wins in five. In

842
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: all seriousness, I'll give you the Florida take this wherever

843
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: you want. There are twenty five different angles that we

844
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: can and will cover between now and two am Eastern

845
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: when we hand the baton to Bernie Fratto. But I'll

846
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: just say this is that we can joke about how

847
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: this team was never built to win an NBA championship.

848
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I still think this is

849
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: one of the great meltdowns in playoff history, considering the hype,

850
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: considering who's on the roster, and oh, by the way,

851
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: you know what the craziest part is, And in the

852
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: grand scheme, it's probably not that important, but it is

853
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: at least worth noting. Minnesota didn't even play well on

854
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Wednesday Night, seven of forty seven from three the lowest

855
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: shooting percentage ever in a closeout game, and despite it,

856
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: they go to Los Angeles beat the Lakers to win

857
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: that series for to one.

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: The one problem with the hype machine for the Lakers

859
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: is it makes the fall even worse because that revision

860
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: is history that you're talking about. There's a lot of

861
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: people that get paid seven figures to run their mouth

862
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 4: and say stuff that we all know in our heads

863
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 4: is not true, and you wonder whether or not they

864
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: think it's true. And I think some of them do,

865
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: and some of them find their way to look at

866
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 4: some stat and misread it to prove a poor But

867
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: the problem is that eventually the games have to be played,

868
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: and forty eight minutes are going to be played a

869
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: number of times in each series, and the better team

870
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: is going to win, The better condition team is going

871
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: to win, the team that is playing more together is

872
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: going to win, and the team that has a functioning

873
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: head coach is going to win. And so all of

874
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: the bluster and all of the talk about the Lakers,

875
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody could beat them in a seven

876
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: game series. I got Lakers in five, no matter what.

877
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 4: Like all that did was make this even worse. It

878
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: makes this It emphasizes just how big a failure this was,

879
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: and it kind of destroys your own credibility if you've

880
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: been running your gums about this for two months, about

881
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: how this team is a juggernaut that basically should be

882
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: handed to Larry O'Brien and we don't even need to

883
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: put them through the rigors of the playoffs. Let's just

884
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: hand them the championship. And then the minute things start

885
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: to go wrong, Luca is no good, he's a bad team.

886
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: He can't play defense. Lebron has no help. Look, going

887
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: back to twenty ten, every single time that Lebron has

888
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: lost a playoff series, at least five or six different times,

889
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: he has immediately talked about we just had a ton

890
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 4: of injuries, and a lot of them are his own

891
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: little nagging things that don't bother him when he's scoring forty,

892
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: but then the next game when he comes out and

893
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 4: he shoots terribly or he struggles defensively or whatever like that,

894
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: it's not a problem, Like, here's the problem. You can

895
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: talk about him being forty all you want, but understand

896
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: that it's his decision to play at forty, and so

897
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: we have to evaluate him against the rest of the

898
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 4: league the same way, like, because he's playing at forty,

899
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: that means I'm not going to give him an excuse

900
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: because he's forty. If he's forty and he's playing, then

901
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 4: I expect him to be worthy of being on the

902
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: floor at that point. I expect him to give me all.

903
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: And when he doesn't, then it's not going to be

904
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: always forty. What can you expect, well, I can expect

905
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 4: him to in a championship or retire, right, I can

906
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: expect him to give me enough, or I'm going to

907
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: put somebody else in the problem is that there was

908
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: nobody else even close to how good he was, and

909
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: so to me, I hate it when the excuses come out.

910
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: I hate it when you can't just lose because you

911
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 4: just weren't quite good enough. The team wasn't good enough.

912
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: We talked about this over and over. Lebron and Luca

913
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: both had to be outstanding every night, and then you

914
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: had to have Austin Reeves get you about twenty or

915
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 4: Ruy Hachimura gets you fifteen, like you had to have

916
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: some other contributions and you had no size on the inside.

917
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 4: And I can't remember who it was that said this.

918
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: I believe it might have been maybeen Kenny Smith. I'm

919
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: not sure it was one of the TNT guys. But

920
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: the idea was that Lebron had to end up playing

921
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: the four way too often and he's not capable of

922
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: doing that anymore. Like he's still like him playing the

923
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: three and guarding the three is better for where he

924
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: finds himself than where he had to play. He had

925
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: to play a little bit out of position in this

926
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: series and all that. So there's there's there's a lot

927
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 4: of blame pie here. I get that, and I think

928
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: that all of it is worthy to some degree. But

929
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 4: the thing that stood out the most in the wake

930
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: of this loss was the rush to find everybody else

931
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: to throw this at, with the exception of Lebron James,

932
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: which look, now we can say this and who knows

933
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: how long this is going to go. Buckle up, folks.

934
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: The coach stinks. In this series. The coach was terrible.

935
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: And if you were going to blame one person overall,

936
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 4: it's not Luca, it's not the bench, it's not Lebron James,

937
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: it's JJ Reddick. Reddick to me, was abysmal in this series.

938
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: And I have no qualms in saying that, because we

939
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: also said nice things about him during the regular season, said,

940
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: you know what, he's doing a pretty good job. But

941
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: everything about the way he handled this playoffs showed you

942
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 4: why a podcast host probably shouldn't go to coach the

943
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: Lakers immediately having no coaching experience.

944
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what, you know, how I knew

945
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: that they listen independent of there were so many things

946
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: that happened over the course of the series. Obviously, he

947
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: came under a great deal of criticism after Game four

948
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: starters essentially don't come out entire second half, all that

949
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: I knew the Lakers were cooked. In Game five, when

950
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: he goes to the podium for his pregame media availability

951
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: and it ends sounding.

952
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 7: Like this, is there an assistant or someone maybe that

953
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 7: you'll lean on tonight, maybe to try to get you know,

954
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 7: some other guys involved if that opportunity presents.

955
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 8: Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was

956
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 8: an inexperienced decision that I made. Do you think I

957
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 8: don't talk to my assistance about substitutions every single timeout?

958
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 7: No, I just think there's a lot of coaches lean

959
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 7: on their assistance in those situations.

960
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 8: As do os a lock every single time. That's a

961
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 8: weird assumption.

962
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: So a couple of things. One, first of all, I

963
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: don't know if you stayed up for inside the NBA.

964
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: I did to soak in every moment on the uh

965
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, one, two three can coon picture that they

966
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: had They had, you know, all the guys hanging out

967
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: by a boat and on the boat. The boat you

968
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: know how boats have a name. The name of the

969
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: boat was weird assumption. So Ernie Johnson pointed that out.

970
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: None of the other guys figured it out. But two,

971
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: I knew they were done right. There is that And listen,

972
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: by the way, I do think there is a quite

973
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: literal they put all of their chips into winning game four.

974
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: By the way, even if you win game four, it's

975
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: still two to two, but you'll lose Game four you

976
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: don't win. I know they had three days off between

977
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: Sunday and Wednesday, but when your head coach goes to

978
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: the podium, And by the way, j Mart, you know,

979
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: if a media member, I'm not somebody that's always going

980
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: to defend the media. If the media, if the media

981
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: asked a dumb question, you are responsible for that question.

982
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: And if an athlete or a coach or somebody you know,

983
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: you know, shoves you in a locker, I'm not gonna

984
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: feel bad for you. Considering how JJ Reddick coached in

985
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Game four, that was a perfectly logical question. And as

986
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: soon as I heard that response, I said, the Lakers

987
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: are cooked. In Game five, they are not winning this game,

988
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: by the way. That's I want you. I want your

989
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: take on the pregame. But that's another thing about Game five.

990
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: The Timberwolves were trying to give the Lakers the game

991
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: that they couldn't take it. But I knew they were

992
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: cooked going into Game five. When I heard that response,

993
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: before the ball was even tipped. I heard that, I

994
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: was like, Lakers, there's zero percent chance that they're winning tonight.

995
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, and I can vouch for what you just

996
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 4: said being true because we were in a text thread

997
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: and you said it before the game, and I went

998
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: and watched it because I hadn't seen it at that point,

999
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: and when I watched the pregame comments, I was just like, Oh, okay, yeah,

1000
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: this is not gonna go well. And it didn't. And

1001
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: it's really strange, Like I liked JJ Reddick when he

1002
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: played like I I thought he got the most out

1003
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 4: of his career. I thought he was a better NBA

1004
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: player than maybe a lot thought he was going to

1005
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: be coming out of Duke. I didn't really understand all

1006
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: the hatred that he got at Duke other than just

1007
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: playing at Duke, but I didn't think he was deserving

1008
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 4: of a lot of that. But the post playing career

1009
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 4: for JJ Reddick, he's becoming more unlikable by the moment,

1010
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: Like he's like the way he responds to critique, he

1011
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: just has this air of I'm smarter than you, and

1012
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: I want you to know it, and I'm also going

1013
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: to do it in a way that almost makes it

1014
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: feel like you should be ashamed for daring to talk

1015
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 4: to me. And what that question was asking JJ essentially

1016
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: was do you have somebody that can give you some

1017
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: common sense so that you don't bonehead this thing? Like

1018
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: it wasn't an unfair question at all. It's the same

1019
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 4: thing that happens when there's clock management issues in the NFL,

1020
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 4: and we always have that take of like, well, there

1021
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: needs to be some kind of a dude that's responsible

1022
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: for nothing but common sense and logic because the coach

1023
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: is so he's so worried about what's happening on the field,

1024
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: sometimes other details can get lost. There should be somebody

1025
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 4: that's in charge of those details, like, hey, coach, you

1026
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 4: need to do this right now, but immediately. Reddick couldn't it.

1027
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: Reddick couldn't just you know, accept a question to say,

1028
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: of course I'm gonna I'm gonna check in with him.

1029
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: I do that on it, I do that in every game.

1030
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: But you know, I do think maybe we got that

1031
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: one wrong. He can't be wrong, and so instead of that,

1032
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 4: the problem is just saying that you're never wrong doesn't

1033
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: mean you're right. Like we all knew he was wrong.

1034
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: You know how we knew he was wrong because when

1035
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 4: you talk, we talked about already Lebron's forty, Luca's out

1036
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: of shape, plus he was coming off of, you know,

1037
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: a stomach virus. You didn't have much depth at all.

1038
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: You had no rim protection, you had no center play

1039
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: since like January, like, you had no depth, so you

1040
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: weren't bringing guys off the bench, and so you play

1041
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 4: all these dudes all these minutes. And that was the

1042
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: first time in the history of the NBA that that

1043
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 4: had been done, the first time ever. That's how we

1044
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: know it was not a particularly smart choice, that it

1045
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: didn't make any sense, and Reddick's response gave away it

1046
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: was a tell man, like we knew at that point

1047
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: that he didn't have the hand and we were gonna

1048
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 4: take this thing to the river. Like he basically revealed

1049
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 4: like he couldn't take the criticism, but he knew it

1050
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: was true, and so he got very holier than now

1051
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: about it. Of course, I talked to my assistance and

1052
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 4: then he stormed off and all this stuff, and then

1053
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 4: they went and proceeded to lose the game. Like he

1054
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 4: basically told us in that moment that he screwed up.

1055
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 4: The way he responded gave it away. And your reaction

1056
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 4: to me that night was he's gonna try and do

1057
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: that this time. He's gonna try and make substitutions and

1058
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: they're gonna lose the game. Little did we know that

1059
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: Rudy gobert Well was gonna become Bill Russell for a

1060
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 4: night well and just embarrass them.

1061
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: That was part of it, though, the Grand substitution and

1062
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: you said this, you said this before one of the

1063
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: worst coaching jobs you ever. It really was because the

1064
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: grand idea for substitutions in game seven, was first of all,

1065
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: publicly admit that you're not going to play your seven

1066
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: foot Jackson Hayes.

1067
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that he's the perfect player, and

1068
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: if they had played to me would have won.

1069
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: But you publicly basically now you were going to play it,

1070
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: and then you decided to play Maxy Kleeber, whose last

1071
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: game was a one point performance on January twenty fifth

1072
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: as a member of the Dallas Mavericks, I moved.

1073
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: I never even heard that man's name in my life

1074
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 4: until he came in that game.

1075
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: I asked Brandon Deutsch, this our ap in the back.

1076
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Speaker 2: I would love for somebody to look this up.

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00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: We don't have.

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00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we would have a researcher on staff here at

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00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: twelve fifteen am on a Saturday and a Sunday. I

1080
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: would love to know if any player has ever made

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00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 2: their debut for a team in a close out game

1082
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, and certainly not under the like, yeah,

1083
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: maybe there was a rookie who got in, you know,

1084
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: in a forty point blowout. I can't imagine there was

1085
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: a guy playing big minutes for the first time in

1086
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: his career with a certain organization in a closeout game. So,

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00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: by the way, we're gonna come back and talk about

1088
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: some of the stuff JJ said after the series was over.

1089
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: But you know, you talk about just a game in

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00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: which the coach just embarrassed himself. N Again, I'm not

1091
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: saying Jackson Hayes is Bill Russell. I'm not saying he

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00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: would have been the Rudy Gobert stopper, but to basically

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00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: acknowledge you're not gonna play him. By the way, for

1094
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: the x's and o's nerds, there was the Anthony Edwards

1095
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: double team that led to a wide open shot every

1096
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: single time that the that the Timberwolf just couldn't knocked down.

1097
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: And then Maxi Kleeber makes his Laker debut.

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00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: That was the.

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00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: Big grand substitution idea. And by the way, for people wondering, well,

1100
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: maybe he was good with Dallas and that was why

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00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: you decided to play him. He averaged three points and

1102
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: two point eight two point eight points per game this

1103
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: season in thirty four games for the Dallas Mavericks. So

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00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: this wasn't a guy that was hurt that was averaging

1105
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: eighteen a game that he decided to bring in three

1106
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: points two point eight rebounds per game in thirty four

1107
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: games with the Dallas Mavericks before he was traded with.

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00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: What I'd like to know is where was Browny America's wondering?

1109
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: I mean, he had seventeen he did, like, I mean,

1110
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: you could have used a few of those points, right,

1111
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: I mean, that wasn't a wasted pick, and it definitely

1112
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 4: wasn't just a pick for no apparent reason. And he's

1113
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 4: been tearing it up in the G League. So I mean,

1114
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 4: you got depth issues. You got dudes that are huffing

1115
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 4: and puffing. You got a forty year old that you

1116
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: know he's going as hard as you can, and all

1117
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 4: this stuff, Like where's brawny? I mean, he's a rookie,

1118
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: he's got all that, he's got, all the mileage still left.

1119
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 4: He didn't have a on a basketball miles on him,

1120
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: Like where is he? Where's your second round draft pick

1121
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: at that point in time. I know I'm speaking as

1122
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 4: if this is like I'm trolling at this point, but

1123
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: at the same time, it's just kind of like, I mean,

1124
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 4: somebody else in the uniform needs to be on the

1125
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: floor for you, and it should not take a duke

1126
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 4: education to understand that doing what you did in that

1127
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: second half, not only harmed you in that second half,

1128
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: but also made sure your guys were gonna have less

1129
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 4: gas in the game that came afterwards, which turned out

1130
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: to be the closeout game where Rudy Gobert pretty much

1131
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 4: put himself into the Hall of Fame in one night

1132
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: because he set like four Timberwolves records in that game

1133
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: because the Lakers apparently just wanted to help him. That

1134
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: was the nicest gesture I've seen since Brett Farve allowed

1135
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: Michael Strahan to break the sack record.

1136
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, J mart You may think

1137
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: it was coaching, but according to JJ Redick, it had

1138
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: nothing to do with coaching and to do with something else,

1139
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: very much different. The good news is the buck is

1140
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: completely off JJ Reddick. According to JJ Redick and on

1141
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: to someone else, We're gonna go ahead and discuss that

1142
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: next Eritors, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio.

1143
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1144
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

1145
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

1146
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: listen live.

1147
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio.

1148
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: Ertors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports radio

1149
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: studios tell you what JJ Redick trying to come up

1150
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: with a clever, sweet escape from blame after what happened

1151
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: on Wednesday night. In that series, we'll get to JJ

1152
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Redick in just one moment and some comments that he

1153
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: made after Game five.

1154
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: Before we do, though, let's get over the news desk.

1155
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 6: Steve de Seger Canello Alvarez is one is fight by

1156
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 6: unanimous decision tonight. And by the way I figured this out,

1157
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 6: we were talking about the TV with Dodgers in Atlanta

1158
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 6: was due to be for most people the Fox MLB

1159
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 6: game tonight rain delay at the start of over three

1160
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 6: hours they are playing, but only on the Fox affiliate

1161
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 6: in LA. For the rest of the country, it is

1162
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 6: you're correct, Jason on FS two and available. Why not

1163
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 6: on FS one because right now FS one is carrying

1164
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 6: the final round of Live Golf live from South Korea

1165
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 6: right now, early in the final round, Bryson De'shambo has

1166
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 6: a three stroke advantage. By the way, ABC is apparently

1167
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 6: not caring even a second of the Golden State Game

1168
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 6: seven tomorrow. It's cable only. And it's been pointed out

1169
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 6: that when MBC takes over its portion of NBA coverage.

1170
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 6: Starting next year, They're due to have at least fourteen

1171
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 6: early round playoff games per year, which is more than

1172
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 6: ABC has ever carried going into a finals.

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 4: You know what the you know what else NBC is

1174
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 4: going to happen?

1175
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh I answer the trivia round ball Rock Rabi Yes

1176
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: snouts it.

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Speaker 6: Today John Tesha's old song is going to be back

1178
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 6: as the NBA on NBC n Peacock theme song. If

1179
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 6: you've heard it, you know it's and it reminds us

1180
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 6: all of nineteen ninety NBA Quite frankly, it was you know,

1181
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 6: it wasn't on five different channels back then. That was it,

1182
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 6: and you heard it every week. By the way, ABC's

1183
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 6: carrying Formula one instead of an NBA game seven tomorrow.

1184
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 6: And while we talk about NBC, they had the Kentucky

1185
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 6: Derby today. Mike Tarico was not on it for most

1186
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 6: of the time. He had to step away from the booth.

1187
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 6: Initially they said he's feeling under the weather, and then

1188
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 6: later said he did have a nut allergy a reaction earlier. Today.

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 6: He's feeling fine now, but he wound up, as they

1190
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 6: put it, staying on the sideline. Sovereignty won the Kentucky

1191
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 6: derby beating Favorite Journalism on a muddy track. Meanwhile, lots

1192
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: of rain in Atlanta tonight, but finally, at about ten

1193
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 6: twenty East they started this game, so it's only top

1194
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 6: of the seventh at this hour. Dodgers lead seven to

1195
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 6: three over the Braves. Roki Sasaki, the LA starter, went

1196
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 6: the first five innings almost one hundred pitches. Show Hey

1197
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 6: Otani hit his eighth home run of the season. Metsic

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01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 6: Cardinals was rained out. They'll play a doubleheader tomorrow. Minnesota

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Speaker 6: and Philadelphia got wins. Washington and Seattle as well. The

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01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 6: Mariners have won six in a row. They got a

1201
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 6: run in the top of the ninth for a two

1202
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 6: to one victory at Texas. Cubs six two winners at Milwaukee,

1203
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 6: beating Jose Kintana, who had been four and oh and

1204
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 6: the Angels in Anaheim, they'd lost seven in a row.

1205
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: Did get a win over Detroit tonight, five to two.

1206
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 6: Kyle Hendricks was zero to three with an ERA of

1207
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 6: six point sixty five, but got the win here over

1208
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 6: Detroit's Jack Flaherty in La.

1209
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: Native one in four.

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 6: Is his record now as far as the PGA tour,

1211
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 6: I mentioned livgal So on FS one PGA Tours in

1212
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 6: Texas at the Byron Nelson and it's an eight stroke

1213
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 6: lead for Scotti Scheffler after the third round. Fifty four

1214
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 6: hole lead eight strokes is the largest on the PGA

1215
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 6: Tour in over a decade since Rory McElroy won the

1216
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 6: US Open in twenty eleven.

1217
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger.

1218
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday now on

1219
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: the East Coast eron Torres. Jason Martin broadcasting live from

1220
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. Want to go back to

1221
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: the story of the week, you know, once we move

1222
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: past the Shador Sanders news of the NFL Draft, story

1223
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: of the week was the meltdown of the Lakers in

1224
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs. In the first segment of this hour,

1225
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: we talked about the meltdown, JJ Reddick, everything that went wrong.

1226
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: It's amazing what a difference twenty four hours can make, though,

1227
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: because JJ Redick probably feeling some heat after that loss

1228
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: in the first round of the playoffs in five games.

1229
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours later, though, wasn't feeling heat and was

1230
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: ready to pass the buck to somebody else.

1231
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: Mary Mack played the sound.

1232
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 9: I'll start with the off season and the work that's

1233
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 9: required in an off season to be in championship shape.

1234
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 9: And you know, we have a ways to go as

1235
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 9: a roster, and certainly there are individuals that were in

1236
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 9: phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have been

1237
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 9: in better shape. That's where my mind goes immediately is

1238
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 9: you know, we have to get in championship shape.

1239
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: That was JJ Redick, jmart after losing in round one.

1240
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: Now let me well, you know what, I was gonna

1241
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: make a joke, but I want to jump right into

1242
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: this JJ Reddick saying we need to get into championship shape. First,

1243
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: he says, well, that applies to the whole team. But

1244
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: then he says, well, there are some guys that are

1245
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: in plenty good shape, but there are some guys that

1246
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: aren't good enough.

1247
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 3: And I guess I'll toss it over to you by saying, this.

1248
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: Sounds like a pretty direct shot at Luka Dacic, and

1249
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: I think in life two things can be true. Yes,

1250
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: Luca needs to be in better shape. No, he is

1251
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: not the reason that he that they lost. And this

1252
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: certainly sounds to me like JJ Reddick is trying to

1253
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: make Luka Doncic, the fall guy. Do you hear the

1254
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: same thing when you hear that sound chamber?

1255
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? Men. The only reason why is because I have ears.

1256
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 4: Like it's really obvious. It was almost telegraphed. And you

1257
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 4: you mean like he said at first, and then he

1258
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 4: made sure to like specify, there's some people who are

1259
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 4: in good shape, Lebron, I'm talking about you, buddy, don't

1260
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not including you in this like he's

1261
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 4: talking about everybody else and he's we know what he's doing.

1262
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: He's going with the media narrative, like the media has

1263
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: already told us that and Nico Harrison essentially they've told

1264
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 4: us that Luka Doncic is a fat slob, like that's

1265
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 4: that's essentially what we've heard. That he's in hookah lounges

1266
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 4: and that he snacks on donuts all the time basically,

1267
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: and he's in bad shape and that's why he's hurt

1268
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 4: all the time. He's got no stamina and da da

1269
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 4: da da da, And so read it goes straight with that,

1270
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 4: and honestly, whether true or not, that could be the

1271
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 4: most disrespectful way that you could possibly behave twenty four

1272
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 4: hours after your team loses because you basically made sure

1273
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 4: it wasn't on the star that's protected at all costs.

1274
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 4: The only reason you go with the job, by the way,

1275
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 4: the only reason exactly yeah, exactly right. And you don't

1276
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 4: just say, you know what, Minnesota's a good team and

1277
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 4: they got us this year, or you know, I'd had

1278
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for you JJ if you had

1279
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 4: just started off and said, you know what starts with me.

1280
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 4: I got to coach better, I've got to be better

1281
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 4: at my job. I got to make sure that our

1282
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 4: guys are more ready next year. There's work that we're

1283
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 4: going to have to do as a team, and it

1284
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 4: starts with me, and it starts with our staff. Just

1285
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 4: say it like no one is going to critique you

1286
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 4: for that comment. I don't understand why more people don't

1287
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 4: realize that sometimes when you humble yourself, or sometimes when

1288
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 4: you you show that kind of contrition, that kind of

1289
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 4: self awareness, you get grace from people, and people see

1290
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 4: you in a different light and it doesn't hurt you.

1291
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 4: It doesn't make you look weak, it doesn't make you

1292
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 4: look soft, it doesn't do anything but make you look

1293
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 4: real because we all saw it like what was true

1294
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 4: was true. And if you just start out by taking

1295
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 4: some of the blame on yourself, that's going to be

1296
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: appreciated not only by the people watching, but also the

1297
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: guys that you're coaching, from Lebron and Luca on down.

1298
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 4: But this whole thing needs to be pinned on somebody

1299
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 4: specifically so that other people are shielded. And the problem

1300
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: for JJ Reddick is he's not willing to actually take

1301
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: any of that shrapnel. He's not like he can't handle it.

1302
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 4: You could tell by the way he responds to questions

1303
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 4: that are asked, and he immediately jumped to the lowest

1304
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 4: hanging fruit that all his friends in the media have

1305
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 4: already been pushing out for months. Anytime the Lakers lost

1306
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 4: the game, it was because Luca was out of shape.

1307
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 4: And anytime they won, when Luca had thirty seven, it

1308
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 4: was Kendrick Perkins on television saying, yeah, he had thirty seven.

1309
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 4: I want to talk about you thirty seven points. I

1310
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: want to talk about the little things to help you

1311
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 4: win that you don't do, Luca. It's just like, this

1312
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 4: is so tired and it becomes so easy to root

1313
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 4: against these Lakers, not because of anything about the personalities

1314
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: of a bunch of the guys on this team, but

1315
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 4: because there's just some insufferability that is just surrounding this

1316
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 4: squad all the time, both in the press and on

1317
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: the sidelines, and of course with Lebron in the way

1318
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 4: that he kind of passively aggressively make sure that the

1319
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 4: buck never even comes close to him. But Reddick's response

1320
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: right here again just reveals this this whole thing is

1321
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 4: beyond him right now. It has nothing to do with

1322
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 4: his x's and o's knowledge or how many insider basketball

1323
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: terms that he can use to declare that he understands

1324
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 4: what he's saying. It's like the stock it's like using

1325
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 4: the stock market is no, we're near as complicated as

1326
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: people make it out to be, but they use a

1327
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: completely different language so that it looks like they're the

1328
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 4: only ones that can handle it, that they're the only

1329
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 4: ones that can handle it. So when you go in

1330
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 4: and you start to look at investment banking, they use

1331
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 4: derivatives and credit default swaps and all this other kind

1332
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 4: of stuff. It's terminology that actually is pretty simple, but

1333
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 4: if you just say it out loud, you sound like

1334
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 4: an expert. So when JJ Reddick's like, yeah, I could

1335
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 4: talk about all the reds that we could do, and

1336
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: this and this, and he starts using all these terms

1337
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 4: that you know are invented in that are like basketball

1338
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 4: parlance that no one actually speaks like. It doesn't all

1339
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 4: of a sudden make you a brain, Like what makes

1340
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 4: you a coach is leading. It is not leading to

1341
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 4: sit there and say, well, starts with us being in shape.

1342
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: And I don't want to say his name, but his

1343
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: name is Uka Doncic. Actually let me change that, it's

1344
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 4: Luca Ancic. Like he's giving it away without giving it away.

1345
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: And the fact that he doesn't name it actually is

1346
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: worse than him just calling Luca out by name. The

1347
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 4: whole thing is just gross and it shows again a

1348
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 4: very immature And you say that because I'm in experienced, Absolutely,

1349
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: JJ Reddick, That's exactly what I'm saying, And honestly, you

1350
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 4: should know better. As long as you played in the

1351
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 4: league and then in the media. I guess technically you

1352
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 4: covered in NBA Finals, although I only heard you speak

1353
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 4: for about a quarter's worth of that entire series when

1354
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 4: you were on commentary. But you were in the media

1355
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 4: and you saw this, and you saw the critique from

1356
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 4: a player's perspective, But here in this moment, you seem

1357
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 4: completely tone deaf to what it takes to actually lead

1358
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 4: and earn the respect of the people in your own

1359
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 4: locker room.

1360
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 3: By the way, the guy that he didn't say was

1361
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 3: out of shape but did say was out of shape.

1362
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: Luka Dancic finished the.

1363
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 2: Series averaging thirty points, seven rebounds, five point eight assists

1364
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: on thirty five percent shooting from three, led the team

1365
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: in scoring and assists, and obviously was second to Lebron.

1366
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 2: All I'll say really quick because I want to ask

1367
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: you a different question. When I heard that sound what

1368
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: it sounded like to me, And I'm not somebody who

1369
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: has ever watched the show Survivor, but I know that

1370
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: they make alliances on that show all the time, and

1371
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: that sounded like I am on I am, I am

1372
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: making an alliance with Lebron where he is not gonna

1373
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: publicly criticize me, but I'm not publicly gonna criticize him,

1374
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: and Luca is gonna be the fall guy. And oh,

1375
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: by the way, we didn't even get to the Lebron

1376
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: comments about oh you know, yeah, well, i'd say we

1377
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: need more size, but my boy ad ask for a

1378
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: center and he got So it's like, okay, so we'll

1379
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: blame that one on Polenka, but this is on Donchets.

1380
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: And so let's go back to Luca really quick, because

1381
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you. Listen, I know that Lebron is

1382
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: forty going on forty one, and he's obviously on borrow time.

1383
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: Luca is under contract for the twenty five to twenty

1384
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 2: six season, and then he has a player option for

1385
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: next year.

1386
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 3: I know we're a year away, and I.

1387
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: Know there's a possibility that at this time next year

1388
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: Lebron could be retiring and walking away from the NBA.

1389
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: I'll also say, if I'm Luka Dacic, and can I

1390
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: hear that in the exit interview that JJ Reddick has

1391
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: with the media. I'm now spending the next six months

1392
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: sitting here saying is this an organization I want to

1393
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: be part of? Is this the guy I want to

1394
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: be coached by? I think it completely changes the cat

1395
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: because I listen, we all assume you trade for Luca,

1396
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: you're keeping him long term. He's gonna want to sign

1397
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: in LA. If I'm Luca, I'm like, I want to

1398
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: play for this guy when he just threw me under

1399
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: the bus after I averaged thirty seven and six in

1400
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: a five game series.

1401
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 3: I think it had I think Luca's.

1402
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: Gonna spend the next six months sitting there saying, is

1403
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: this something I want to be part of beyond the

1404
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: twenty five to twenty six season.

1405
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 4: So listen. I said this from at least like three

1406
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 4: four games into his tenure with the Lakers. I remember

1407
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 4: texting you this, and it has not changed. My opinion

1408
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: on this hasn't changed. He doesn't look happy, he doesn't

1409
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 4: look like he wants to be there. He didn't want

1410
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 4: to be there. He didn't want to get traded, he

1411
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 4: didn't want to leave Dallas. He certainly I don't think

1412
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 4: he wanted to go to LA I don't care whether

1413
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: Lebron knew it in advance or not, and all this,

1414
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 4: I don't really buy that he didn't, by the way,

1415
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 4: but past all of that, like, I don't think he

1416
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 4: wanted to be in the Lakers' uniform. I don't think

1417
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 4: that he wants to play for JJ Reddick. I don't

1418
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: think that he wants to play with Lebron James. I

1419
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,919
Speaker 4: don't think that any of this is what he ideally

1420
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 4: wants as a basketball player. So what I would love

1421
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 4: to see from Luka Doncic because here's here's the other thing,

1422
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 4: and we haven't really talked about this. Yeah, Luca's not

1423
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 4: in great Jake like that. That is legitimately true. You know,

1424
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 4: his physics, he may never be ripped to shreds. That

1425
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 4: may just not be the way that his body is

1426
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 4: built and all of that, and that's fine, but he's

1427
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 4: carrying too many pounds and there are some things that

1428
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 4: that can affect and I completely get all of that.

1429
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: What I really like to see Luca do is throw

1430
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 4: the deuces to La go somewhere else and play and

1431
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 4: get in shape. Yeah, and just be like, no, you know,

1432
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 4: you guys have me, but the way you treated me,

1433
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 4: thanks for waking me up. But I'm gonna be in

1434
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be in a different bed, Like I'm not

1435
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 4: gonna play for you. I'm not gonna be here. And

1436
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 4: then it ruins them for the future because when Lebron

1437
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: then retires, then what do you have? And the Lakers

1438
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 4: would have earned it. But yeah, if you want the

1439
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 4: best out of Luca, I don't think that this is

1440
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 4: the method that does it. I don't think that trying

1441
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 4: to shame him publicly. I don't think that even being.

1442
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: Trying to shame publicly when he was awesome and you

1443
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: sucked by the way, but keep.

1444
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 4: Going, Yeah, all that true. Like, I don't think that

1445
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 4: any of the way that the messaging has come across

1446
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 4: is the way to maintain a relationship or Luca doesn't

1447
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 4: strike me as a kind of guy that, like, you

1448
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 4: go negative with him and it's gonna make him do

1449
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 4: the right thing. He feels like to me, the guy

1450
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 4: that if you go negative with him and treat him

1451
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 4: like dirt while he's there, he's just gonna shut down

1452
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 4: and be like, I'm gonna go get mine. But I

1453
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 4: don't care about the rest of this, Like I just

1454
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: the whole situation to me reads like you talk about

1455
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 4: the next six months. I actually think there is a

1456
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 4: really good chance that Luca will be wearing a third jersey.

1457
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 4: He's gonna go somewhere else because the Lakers have done

1458
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 4: everything in their power to throw the book at him now.

1459
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 4: And I don't know that he ever wanted to be

1460
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: there in the first place. In fact, I am on

1461
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 4: record saying I don't think he did, and I don't

1462
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 4: think he has ever looked down. I don't even mean comfortable,

1463
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 4: like he hates all his teammates or anything like that.

1464
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 4: He just this is not a situation that he asked for.

1465
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 4: It's not a situation that he wanted. And I think

1466
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 4: now that he's gotten there, he knows it's not where

1467
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 4: he wants to be, Like there's nothing for him.

1468
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 2: Here, nothing for him here. I think it'll be I

1469
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 2: think it'll be interesting. He's obviously not gonna do anything

1470
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: public for a long time. But I'll tell you what,

1471
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: if I was a Lakers beat writer, that'd be the

1472
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 2: first question that I'd be asking.

1473
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: Him the next time he has a media availability.

1474
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio ra Tords Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

1475
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. Will come back, Steve Desager.

1476
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: He's in championship shape. Every time I throw it over

1477
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: to him, he'll have you get you caught up on

1478
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: everything that you've missed throughout the day.

1479
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports

1480
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 3: Radio Er Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tyrek

1481
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 3: dot Com studios.

1482
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: Don't want to waste any more time. It was a

1483
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: wild Saturday in sports. Let's get it into the news desk.

1484
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: To saga, the floor is yours.

1485
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 6: My friend, and time permitting, we will certainly get to

1486
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 6: those game sevens. Dallas winning in the NHL, Denver winning

1487
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 6: in an NBA Game seven. We brought up the fact

1488
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 6: that there is a Game seven tomorrow in the NBA

1489
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 6: with Golden State at Houston. It's not only going to

1490
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 6: be on cable, not a regular network channel, it is

1491
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 6: also going to be on the Warriors' own cable network

1492
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 6: with their announcers and Houston's own regional cable network with

1493
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 6: their announcers ring I'm right, uh oh recorrect. He was

1494
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 6: on earlier today with Dan Byer. He does the Houston games.

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Speaker 6: But the final NBA playoff telecast ever on a regional

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01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 6: sports network, aren't tomorrow because in the new deal for

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 6: NBA television starting next year, all the first round games

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 6: are exclusive to nash TV.

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 4: Interesting.

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 6: Back in the eighties in baseball, you could still get

1501
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 6: the local announcers once the National League Championship Series start

1502
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 6: at National TV. Finally said what is going on here?

1503
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 6: We're paying money, we want everybody to watch us. Finally,

1504
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 6: the NBA, starting next year, is doing that. What was

1505
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 6: today in the world of sports, and speaking of TV

1506
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 6: this deserves mentioned was the Kentucky Derby, sovereignty the winner

1507
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 6: on a muddy track. The audience for the Kentucky Derby

1508
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 6: on TV a year ago was enormous, about sixteen million viewers,

1509
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 6: meaning among non football sports telecasts in the past year,

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 6: that was one of the largest audiences. It was exceeded

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01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 6: only by, for example, Dodgers Yankees World Series clincher last year,

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 6: the March Madness Final we recently had, and of course

1513
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 6: the Olympics in Paris, because my goodness, that just went

1514
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 6: through the roof with ratings the Paris Olympics. If you

1515
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 6: add up all the NBC platforms per day, they were

1516
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 6: averaging thirty million viewers a day, which just I remember

1517
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 6: that is still astonishing. That just doesn't happen in television anyway.

1518
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 6: I'm sure the Kentucky Derby will be getting a nice number,

1519
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 6: as it usually does, but it's nothing like the story

1520
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 6: that I came across. And thanks to Sporting News for

1521
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 6: reading an article in the Louisville Courier Journal and pointing

1522
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 6: this out. They said that every horse due to run

1523
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 6: in the Derby today is a descendant of Secretariat.

1524
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: I saw it.

1525
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 6: Every one Secretariat, the legendary Triple Crown winner of nineteen

1526
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 6: seventy three. If you haven't seen the movie, see it.

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01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 6: But amazingly, and apparently this is for horses about six

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01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 6: generations down the line. They say, this is not shocking

1529
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 6: for such lineage to exist. And Secretariat, they say, is

1530
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 6: known to have sired more than six hundred and sixty folds.

1531
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 6: But still to say it out loud that in the

1532
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 6: largest field of the Triple Crown races, it's usually almost

1533
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 6: twenty horses every year, every horse a descendant of Secretary.

1534
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask I saw somebody who knows more

1535
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: about horses, like this is actually not a good thing,

1536
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: And I could see where quite literally it feels incestuous.

1537
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: But I'm not enough of a horse expert to know

1538
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: if it's actually a big deal.

1539
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 6: And you know the amount of money they pay just

1540
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 6: for a chance at one of the kids from any champion,

1541
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 6: much less Secretary. It's it's to say the least, Well,

1542
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 6: apparently it's not that big of a deal if there

1543
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 6: it's a large amount of money involved. So mister whoever

1544
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 6: king whatever from the Middle East that won today and

1545
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 6: a couple other big races, this weekend. A lot of

1546
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 6: money is spent on this type of thing and it

1547
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 6: always doesn't come through like it did for him this weekend.

1548
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 6: We do have an update on the Pirates fan who

1549
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 6: fell out of the stands and onto the warning track

1550
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 6: in a game this week. If you haven't seen the

1551
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 6: brief video that exists, he tumbled over the outfield railing

1552
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 6: and landed like a rag doll on the warning track

1553
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 6: and it's been in the hospital since about a twenty

1554
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 6: foot fall from the seat over the railing onto the field.

1555
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 6: Still has a long road ahead, according to family, but

1556
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 6: is awake and alert. A go fundme for him has

1557
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 6: already raised thousands. This fan's girlfriend said he's awake and

1558
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 6: continuing to work toward making his body stronger each day.

1559
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 6: The girlfriend's mom says long road ahead, but the progress

1560
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 6: so far feels nothing short of miraculous. Apparently, according to witnesses,

1561
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 6: you had a fan, a twenty year old, taking off

1562
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 6: his shirt, pouring beer on himself before the star player

1563
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 6: comes to bad in Pittsburgh and then immediately tumbles over

1564
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 6: the railing and is now in the hospital. And there were,

1565
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 6: for example, articles that said it's unclear how a twenty

1566
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 6: year old procured a beer at the ballpark. The person

1567
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 6: who organized the GoFundMe says, we know the young man

1568
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 6: very well. Please be considerate during this tragic time. And

1569
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 6: then there was the NHL playoff game tonight, a Game

1570
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 6: seven at Dallas, and the home team was losing two

1571
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 6: nothing in the third and still won four to two

1572
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 6: over Colorado, which means a red hour back mark has

1573
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 6: been broken. He had been undefeated eight to zero in

1574
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 6: game sevens in his long Celtics career. Tonight, hockey coach

1575
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 6: for Dallas, Peter de Boor now nine to oh in

1576
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 6: game seven's in history. That's the best in any of

1577
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 6: the pro sports in North America.

1578
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 3: So the reverse, James Harden, is what you're telling. Bring

1579
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: it back full circles Fox.

1580
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 4: I knew about the hockey score because of Charles Barkley.

1581
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 4: He was kicking us up today. I was like, oh yeah,

1582
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 4: I'm gonna flip over that. I forgot about that.

1583
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

1584
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 2: It was a busy day and we will come back.

1585
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: We thank you, by the way, to Sager. We'll come back.

1586
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: Talk James Harden, talk the Clippers. This is Fox Sports Radio.

1587
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,439
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01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:45,679
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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,680
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1590
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,200
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1591
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: of the Bernie Frado Show, I cannot Bernie always has

1592
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: the takes and there were no shorta just storylines this week,

1593
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: the Lakers obviously the fallout from the NFL Draft. Bernie

1594
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: Frado an hour from now will take over for us.

1595
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,760
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1596
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1599
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,000
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1601
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,960
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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: sure to preset Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app

1603
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: and it will always pop up at the top of

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01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 2: your screen. J Mart, it is early Sunday on the

1605
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: East Coast and in the Central time Zone. The big

1606
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: story on Saturday among many We do have one more

1607
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: NBA Series Final Game seven in Denver. Denver Nuggets take

1608
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: down the Los Angeles Clippers one twenty to one oh one.

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01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: Start out well for the Clippers, up five after the

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: first quarter. Unfortunately it didn't last. They were down eleven

1611
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: at halftime. They were down twenty seven going into the

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01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. A big fourth quarter made it a quote

1613
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: unquote respectable nineteen point loss. I got a lot of takes,

1614
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: some of it positive for Denver, but certainly plenty of

1615
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 2: it negative for the Los Angeles Clippers, who are again

1616
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: bounced in the opening round of the playoffs. And should

1617
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: just mention James Harden in a closeout game two of

1618
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: eight from the field, one of four from three seven points,

1619
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: did have thirteen assists. How about this a negative twenty

1620
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: nine in the plus minus category. Now, of course, when

1621
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: you lose by nineteen, it's never gonna be pretty. But

1622
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: James Harden another dud as the Los Angeles Clippers are

1623
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: eliminated in round one.

1624
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 4: Yep, the problem is that this played out exactly the

1625
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 4: way that you would assume it would based on history.

1626
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 4: There's not any there's not any kind of like brilliant

1627
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 4: new piece of analysis to put forth here. This is

1628
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 4: what James Harden does in games like this generally throughout

1629
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 4: his career, he can be counted upon to not show

1630
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 4: up the way he needs to. He had ten assists

1631
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 4: in the first half. I felt like he was making

1632
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: some good basketball decisions, that he was putting guys in

1633
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 4: position to succeed. A few of those didn't go down

1634
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 4: that should have. But the biggest problem was the Nuggets

1635
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 4: kind of open up an eleven point lead in the

1636
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 4: second quarter and then they never looked back. Their largest

1637
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 4: lead was thirty five in this game. And then with

1638
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 4: Harden and Kawhi on the bench, when they were pretty

1639
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 4: much done for there was like a fifteen to two run.

1640
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 4: They tightened it up a little bit, and by tightening

1641
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 4: it up, I mean got it to you know, seventeen

1642
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 4: eighteen points. Of course, it ends up being a nineteen

1643
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 4: point win. But James Harden goes for seven points on

1644
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: two for eight shooting. He's one to four from three.

1645
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 4: The biggest problem isn't even the fact that it was

1646
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 4: like twenty five percent from the field. He only took

1647
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 4: eight shots. Yep. That's the problem with Harden in a

1648
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 4: lot of these games is he's not even being aggressive

1649
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 4: towards being this like lethal assassin scorer that he can be.

1650
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 4: And if they were going to have a chance in

1651
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 4: this game. He was going to have to be that guy.

1652
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 4: He was going to have to be aggressive, and I

1653
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 4: understood the assists side, but he had to get to

1654
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 4: points as well. And he just didn't seem to be

1655
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 4: looking for a shot particularly often. A few of the

1656
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 4: times that he went to the rim, he had no chance,

1657
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure what he was doing in those spots,

1658
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 4: but this looked like one team that actually wanted to

1659
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 4: play and wanted to keep playing, and another one that,

1660
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 4: once this thing became it was going to be pretty

1661
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 4: daunting to come back. They just went ahead and cashed

1662
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 4: it in. They went and packed it in, said we're

1663
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,440
Speaker 4: going to do the Gune fishing. Send us to Cancun, guys,

1664
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 4: And that's what it was. And James Harden can be

1665
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 4: counted upon to do this on a regular basis. That's

1666
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 4: the problem with the makeup of the team and why

1667
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 4: I had twenty two in a game. And I mean,

1668
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 4: we understand how great a basketball player he is, but

1669
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 4: at the same time, he hasn't done much of relevance

1670
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: when it comes to the postseason in a very long

1671
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 4: time either. This team was flawed from the outset because

1672
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 4: it's built on guys you can't trust. I mean, Ben

1673
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 4: Simmons is on this rock our guy. Yeah, I mean

1674
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 4: there are some talented guys, but I'm looking at like

1675
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 4: Nick Batoum lumbering down the floor in the second half,

1676
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 4: and Powell is out there and all this is just like,

1677
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 4: I'm not sure why this game, why this series even

1678
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 4: went seven, And that just makes me wonder because I mean,

1679
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 4: the Nuggets should have been able to dispense them earlier,

1680
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 4: and like I picked Denver before the series started. I

1681
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 4: understand the analytics seem to favor the Clippers, but I

1682
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 4: just I don't care about your analytics when I look

1683
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 4: at the guys that you have to rely upon with

1684
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 4: the Clippers, and I'm just like, I don't know if

1685
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 4: Kahi's going to be healthy. I understand how good he is,

1686
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 4: but Harden I just can't trust. And that's exactly what

1687
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 4: you got here. I think Tyler's an outstanding head coach,

1688
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 4: I really do. But James Harden being your star in

1689
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 4: this moment, it's just it's it's a recipe for disaster.

1690
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. What do you It's

1691
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 2: really a two part question. One, how do you think

1692
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: Steve Balmer feels. I mean, I would saying about this.

1693
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: You're worth you literally have the dream of every human

1694
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: being on planet Earth, which is you have more money

1695
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: than you can ever spend, but you have invested it

1696
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: in this asset that brings you nothing but pain and misery.

1697
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 4: Now.

1698
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: I know they won a bunch of games in the

1699
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: regular season, whatever, but Steve Palmer ain't in it to

1700
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 2: just make the playoffs. And I guess it's really a

1701
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: two part question, is you know do you do you

1702
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 2: like James Harden, by the way, is gonna be thirty

1703
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: six this year? Kawhi is not far behind? Like are

1704
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: they just gonna run it back and hope that somehow

1705
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: next year, in you know, year eighteen or whatever it

1706
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: is for James Harden, he figures it out, and in

1707
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: year thirteen for Kawhi that he stays healthy. I know

1708
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: it's a tough question to ask, and there's no obvious

1709
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: answer the night that you're eliminated from the playoffs, But

1710
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 2: it's like, how many more years can coho? I signed

1711
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: in the summer of twenty nineteen. That was a long

1712
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 2: time ago, and you know, definition of insanity is doing

1713
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 2: the same thing over and over, inspecting a different result.

1714
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: Last offseason. Obviously they let Paul George go.

1715
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what they do, you know,

1716
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 2: And this is the cliche that we talk about in

1717
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: all sports of you know, you're good enough to not

1718
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: be an embarrassment. But also, as her Edwards once said,

1719
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: you play to win the game. Oh that was that,

1720
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: Denny Green or Herm Edwards, whoever. You play to win

1721
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: the game, and they win enough games where you can

1722
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 2: justify running it back. But I don't think anybody actually

1723
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: thinks that anything will be different if you do. I

1724
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: just don't even know what you do. If you're Steve Palmer,

1725
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:54,839
Speaker 2: because this has to be driving the man insane.

1726
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and lucky they've got the brand new building and

1727
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 4: everything else, but they are fairly flawed. To your point,

1728
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 4: this cannot end in a championship, and it will not

1729
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 4: end in a championship. So I mean, what do you do?

1730
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 4: Do You just blow it up completely and start from

1731
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 4: scratch and go San Antonio style and wait for your

1732
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 4: own Wimby down the road and be pretty much irrelevant

1733
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 4: for the next few years. That may be what it takes,

1734
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 4: because I still don't know what destination you are if

1735
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 4: you're the Clippers. I don't know what the penalty is

1736
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 4: and how fast you can rebuild and all of these

1737
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 4: other kinds of things. But this ain't gonna work. Like

1738
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: You're just going to continue to be the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1739
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah at this pointgy, yep, you're gonna continue to be

1740
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 4: that second tier team that like is just good enough

1741
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 4: to break your heart repeatedly. They're just good enough, but

1742
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 4: they're not good enough, and so what do you do?

1743
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 4: You have to bottom out almost and I don't know

1744
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 4: if they're willing to do that. I don't know what

1745
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 4: all of that would look like. I don't know all

1746
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 4: the contract specifics and everything else. I do know that

1747
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 4: there is absolutely no chance in the world in the

1748
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 4: current NBA where this roster, where this team, even with

1749
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 4: a few tweaks, is a real championship contender. And I

1750
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 4: never bought it because again, it's just flawed from the

1751
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 4: outset in terms of its construction and in terms of

1752
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 4: who you have to rely upon on a regular basis.

1753
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you what it looks like.

1754
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: James Harden has a player option for next year, and

1755
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: obviously something that he will take up. Kawhi is under

1756
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,480
Speaker 2: contract through twenty six twenty seven, so two more full seasons,

1757
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 2: and he is set to make one hundred point three

1758
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 2: million dollars, So one hundred million, three hundred thousand dollars

1759
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: fully guaranteed for Kawhi in his year age thirty four

1760
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: and thirty five seasons. So it feels as though nothing

1761
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: is going to change very quick. He is an unrestricted

1762
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: free agent in twenty twenty eight, James Harden in twenty

1763
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 2: twenty seven, So tell you what we're getting at least

1764
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 2: one more year of this. But I'm right there with you.

1765
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: Is is you know, can you feel terrible for a

1766
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 2: guy that's got one hundred and twenty billion dollar net

1767
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: worth like Steve Balmer? I don't think you can. But

1768
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 2: I think it's clear that you know, he has put

1769
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: everything into this franchise and it has not paid him

1770
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: back very very nicely. Here, because the Clippers do lose

1771
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: in round one, I'll defend the Clippers a little bit

1772
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: if things go a little bit different obviously the Aaron

1773
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: Gordon situation. If that, if that doesn't go that way,

1774
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: you go to overtime, maybe you win. You know, if

1775
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: they had won that game, they would have been up

1776
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 2: three to one, and they did lose Game one in overtime.

1777
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 3: But I'm still with you.

1778
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: I just think James Harden again will be thirty six

1779
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 2: this year, Kawhi will be thirty four, and at some

1780
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: point you just kind of are who you are as

1781
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Clippers.

1782
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 3: You are who you are is the Los Angeles Lakers

1783
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 3: as well.

1784
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: J mart And I don't know do you have anything,

1785
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 2: by the way, do you have anything else on the Clippers,

1786
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: because there's still more to peel back on the Lakers onion,

1787
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: including the lebron era, Nico Harrison how he's feeling. Is

1788
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: there anything else really quickly that you want to get

1789
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 2: to on the Clippers before we turn our attention back

1790
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: to the uh you know what show that is the Lakers?

1791
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, not really. I mean I think that I

1792
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 4: think the post mortem is pretty simple, and I think

1793
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 4: that the fix, unfortunately, is going to be very painful

1794
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 4: for the Clippers organization because I just don't know that

1795
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 4: the I don't know that the fix is available right now.

1796
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 4: I think it's going to take stages, but it is.

1797
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 4: I think at this point you have to just accept

1798
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 4: that this is about the ceiling for a team that

1799
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 4: is reliant upon James Harden and a kind of unreliable

1800
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard when it comes to his availability during the

1801
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 4: regular season, zero doubt.

1802
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 2: Clippers lose Game seven in Denver one twenty one oh one.

1803
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: Denver advances to play Oklahoma City. That game will be

1804
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Game one will be on Monday night in Oklahoma City.

1805
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Air tours Jason Martin broadcasting live from

1806
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. We will come back. When

1807
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: we do, we'll go back to the other team in

1808
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. We got to talk about the big picture

1809
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 2: of the Lebron era. We got to talk about the

1810
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 2: big picture of Nico Harrison, who probably had a couple

1811
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: good nights sleeps here over the last couple of days.

1812
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 3: We'll do all that.

1813
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,400
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1818
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1819
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,759
Speaker 2: forward and what does it mean for everyone involved?

1820
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,080
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1821
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1822
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1825
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1826
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,400
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1827
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,919
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1828
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1834
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 2: J mart do you want to go back to the

1835
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 2: Lakers situation Lakers losing five? If you By the way,

1836
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 2: if you missed any of I mean, we dove deep

1837
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 2: into what happened JJ calling out Luca, make sure to

1838
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 2: download the podcast and check it out. I do want

1839
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 2: to ask you, though, Jamart Nico Harrison, how do you

1840
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: think he slept on Wednesday night? Because you know, I'll

1841
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,879
Speaker 2: say this is you know, I led the Luca segment

1842
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 2: probably about an hour ago now by saying two things

1843
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 2: can be true Luca is out of shape. I also

1844
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 2: don't think that's the reason they lost, and JJ Reddick

1845
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 2: should be calling him out publicly.

1846
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 3: I bring it up because it feels like it. I'll

1847
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 3: shut up.

1848
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: It was a good week for Nico Harrison. How do

1849
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 2: you think he feels after what happened? And do you

1850
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 2: think he's absolved at all for the trade that obviously

1851
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: shook up the NBA over the last couple of months.

1852
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 4: See, No, I don't because the only people that are

1853
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 4: going to absolve him, the ones that he can actually

1854
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 4: get absolution from, are Dallas Mavericks fans. Sure, in my opinion,

1855
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 4: is he gonna get something? Yeah? I mean, like, what

1856
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 4: was it Stephen A saying, you know, maybe we need

1857
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,440
Speaker 4: to back off on Nico a little bit after crucifying

1858
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 4: him for months. I don't think it changes how I

1859
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 4: perceive him. I don't think it changes how most people

1860
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 4: perceive him. I think we already knew if there were

1861
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 4: some downsides to Luca what those downsides were. I think

1862
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 4: that in terms of how he slept or whatever, just

1863
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 4: a figurative way, Yeah, there's probably some. I don't think

1864
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 4: i'd call it vindication, but I don't think he wanted

1865
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 4: to see Luca go succeed because it was going to

1866
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 4: make things a lot tougher on him. I think that

1867
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 4: if you wanted to, he could look at that and say, yeah,

1868
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 4: that's why I got rid of him. But I don't

1869
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 4: think that that washes with the Mavericks fans who've been

1870
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 4: crying and you know, fire and Eco Chance and all

1871
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 4: the rest of that kind of stuff. I don't think

1872
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 4: it changes anything for them, and I think that it doesn't.

1873
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 4: It doesn't really change anything for me because we've been

1874
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 4: pretty consistent with how we felt about this from the start,

1875
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 4: which was this wasn't going to be enough. This was

1876
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 4: for the future, not the present. When it came to

1877
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 4: La because they didn't have everything set and I wasn't

1878
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 4: sure that those two guys were were going to be

1879
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 4: a particularly good match, and did Luca want to be there,

1880
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 4: So all those things kind of play into it. I

1881
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 4: don't think that it's fair to evaluate the trade itself,

1882
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 4: because I still think it's insane to have gotten rich

1883
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 4: of Luka Doncic period from Dallas, because of what he

1884
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 4: meant to the franchise and the fact that he was

1885
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 4: coming off a finals run and all this other kind

1886
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 4: of stuff, So I don't think it changes anything there.

1887
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 4: I think, if anything, it just shows that Luca's not

1888
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 4: one of those stars that you just plug and play

1889
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 4: anywhere and he's going to win. He's not like there's

1890
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 4: things have to be built around him because he needs

1891
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 4: to be ball dominant, and well Lebron wants to be

1892
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 4: Paul dominant too, so it wasn't gonna work. Surprisingly enough,

1893
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 4: it worked great with Kyrie, you know, like even though

1894
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 4: Kyrie always wanted a ball like that was just a

1895
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 4: match that worked really really well down there. But they

1896
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 4: had great role players to play defense and did the

1897
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 4: dirty work and let those guys do everything else, and

1898
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 4: they didn't have any of those kind of guys in

1899
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 4: LA And I think that that made a pretty consistent difference.

1900
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I said, like I said, I think

1901
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: two things can be true about Luca. Out of shape

1902
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that he's the reason that they lost or

1903
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 2: that he should be the fall guy for JJ Reddick.

1904
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 2: And I, you know, I go back to a lot

1905
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: of what I said on Nico Harrison last week when

1906
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 2: he did that interview where he said, yeah, you know,

1907
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much Luke meant to this fan base.

1908
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: It's like, even if he didn't know, don't say it publicly.

1909
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 2: But I will also defend Nico Harrison on on what

1910
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 2: he also said in that in that whatever it was

1911
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 2: interview press conference as well, where he did say, like, hey, listen,

1912
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:29,799
Speaker 2: we still believe that Kyrie Irving, Klay Thompson, PJ Washington,

1913
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 2: Derek Lively, and Anthony Davis is a championship caliber team. Now,

1914
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:37,679
Speaker 2: I think it's it's fair, like I think it's fair

1915
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: to question, hey, are you ever gonna get a d

1916
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 2: Kyrie Clay all these guys well over thirty healthy at

1917
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 2: the same time. That's that's a different conversation. But yes,

1918
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: on paper, it makes sense. And so I'm kind of

1919
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 2: with you. I don't really think it absolves the trade

1920
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 2: because I think at the very least I think that

1921
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: you know a little self awareness on what Luca.

1922
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Meant to that organization.

1923
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think the other thing too, is

1924
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 2: even if you felt like in your heart of hearts

1925
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 2: that Luca was out of shape and this and that,

1926
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 2: just don't love the way that you treated him on

1927
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 2: the way out he was, he did just lead you

1928
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: to the finals last year. All that real quick. Let

1929
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 2: me ask you this different, different conversation on this topic.

1930
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:20,839
Speaker 2: What do you make of we are now?

1931
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 9: What?

1932
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 3: Let me see here eighteen nineteen twenty one.

1933
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: I think we're seven years into the Lebron James Lakers experiment.

1934
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: Let's see here, So Lebron James got to the Lakers.

1935
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 2: I should have had this up ready to go. I

1936
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 2: apologize he gets there in the summer of twenty nineteen,

1937
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, excuse me, misses the playoffs in twenty nineteen,

1938
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty of course is the Bubble Championship. Twenty twenty one,

1939
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 2: they lose in the first round. Twenty twenty two, they

1940
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs. Twenty twenty three, they of course make

1941
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals. Last year they lose in round one,

1942
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 2: and of course this year they lose in round one.

1943
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 2: What would you grade the Los Angeles Lakers and now

1944
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 2: in year seven with Lebron one NBA title one Western

1945
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 2: Conference Finals, did miss the NBA playoffs twice during that stretch.

1946
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 4: Though, see yeah, something like that. I mean, he still

1947
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 4: didn't feel like a Laker to me, now, I know,

1948
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 4: I'd like when you mentioned how long he'd been there,

1949
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 4: that kind of baffled me, even though obviously that yeah,

1950
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 4: that does check out when I think about it, but like,

1951
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 4: it doesn't feel like that to me. He still feels

1952
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 4: like a foreigner every time I watch him in a

1953
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 4: Lakers uniform. I also thought about like if he had

1954
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 4: never gone to LA, had stayed where he was, even

1955
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 4: if he never won again, I think that I think

1956
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 4: he would still I don't think I think it actually

1957
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 4: would have more basketball respect from a lot of people

1958
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 4: if he had retired in Cleveland instead of even going

1959
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 4: to LA. If he retired at the time that he

1960
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 4: chose to go to LA and just stop playing basketball,

1961
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 4: I think he would be seen better than he is

1962
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 4: at this point. I mean, I don't think he can

1963
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 4: give it any higher than the see because they have

1964
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 4: done all these things for him, you know, all the

1965
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 4: roster construction that he wanted, brought in his guys, all

1966
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 4: this other kind of stuff. I mean, look at how

1967
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 4: many coaches that they've run through, look at just the

1968
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 4: perception of that franchise as a whole, and just I mean,

1969
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 4: the only thing that's happened is Lebron's made himself a

1970
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 4: bigger star. No one else has been better for it.

1971
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, Anthony Davis won a championship there,

1972
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 4: so I guess you could say he has to. But

1973
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 4: he was also the easy fall guy too. He became

1974
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 4: the other guy that you could blame, that you could

1975
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 4: assess blame too if need be, if Lebron needed that

1976
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 4: break glass in case of emergency, scapegoat. But I just

1977
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 4: kind of look at the whole thing and it's just

1978
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 4: like I just kind of shrugged my shoulders. Like he's

1979
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 4: been phenomenal to watch. I love watching him play basketball,

1980
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 4: but I also think he's been self destructive to his

1981
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 4: own legacy because he has a really he has a

1982
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 4: real knack for not being able to read the room

1983
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 4: in a lot of these circumstances when he makes decisions,

1984
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,600
Speaker 4: and even the way in which he makes these decisions.

1985
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 4: But if you ask Lakers fans, you're gonna get seven

1986
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 4: years of Lebron James, six years of Lebron James so far,

1987
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 4: he's going to bring you one championship in the bubble.

1988
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 4: Would they consider that to have been worth it? Would

1989
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 4: they have considered that to have been a successful run?

1990
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 4: And I believe, honestly because it's the Lakers, Like, if

1991
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 4: this was the Grizzlies, we would see it differently, But

1992
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 4: the Lakers have won championships in every era, and so

1993
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 4: for them to have won just one and kind of

1994
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 4: in a weird way, almost an asterisks championship on top

1995
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 4: of that, I don't think you can give that higher

1996
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 4: than a C because I think that's like, bottom line,

1997
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 4: that's the baseline of what he should have been able

1998
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 4: to accomplish. And so I'll give him like the passing grade,

1999
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 4: the average grade, but not the one that you want

2000
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 4: to come home and run and say, here's what I

2001
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 4: got on my test, mom.

2002
01:40:58,840 --> 01:40:59,879
Speaker 3: So I agree with everything.

2003
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think there's no doubt about it is

2004
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: that you know, one title.

2005
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 3: And by the way, I was never oh, it's a

2006
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse tyle.

2007
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 2: The more time goes on, the more it kind of

2008
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 2: was though, like I'm just sorry, but you know, you

2009
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 2: have a six month you know, three month, four month

2010
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: break in the middle of the season. That's ironically basically

2011
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 2: the only reason that Anthony Davis state the only season

2012
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 2: that Anthony Davis stays healthy because.

2013
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,919
Speaker 3: He got a two month break right before the playoffs.

2014
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

2015
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 2: That playoff bubble was kind of this weird war of

2016
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 2: attrition where you know, the older team seemed to handle

2017
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 2: themselves better. You know, given the extreme circuit, what I'm

2018
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 2: trying to make feels more and more like an extreme.

2019
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: By the way, I think the year that they made

2020
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals, they were like a six seed.

2021
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 2: So I'm with you. I just think it's been a

2022
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 2: weird era. And you know, another first round playoff loss,

2023
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 2: first round playoff loss last year. And oh, by the way,

2024
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 2: this year you had Luca.

2025
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 4: Not very good.

2026
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

2027
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,679
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios, will come back. The other

2028
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 2: big news, jmart We probably should discuss very quickly retirement

2029
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 2: or at least the moving of chairs of a legend

2030
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 2: in San Antonio. We'll do that next Before we do

2031
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 2: though final time this evening, Steve de Seger my Man,

2032
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: what's treining?

2033
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 6: In other words, Lebron with seven seasons with the Lakers,

2034
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 6: five of the seven years he was out in the

2035
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 6: first round or missed the playoffs. Sometimes crazy when you

2036
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 6: think about it. Yeah, I mean, it's a dot, it's

2037
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 6: a dut and please on behalf of all intelligent listeners.

2038
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 6: I wish other people heard what you just said, thank

2039
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 6: you for breaking down and not just throwing out the

2040
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 6: championship too many whatever the topic. Too many times in

2041
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 6: sports talk radio people throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2042
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 6: In this case, like the twenty twenty sports seasons, I

2043
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 6: would completely separate Dodgers title and Lakers title because the

2044
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 6: Lakers really kind of needed time off for Anthony as

2045
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 6: you mentioned. Whereas the Dodgers playing a shortened regular season.

2046
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,600
Speaker 6: Are you telling me they wouldn't have bade the postseason?

2047
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 6: Are you telling me they wouldn't have won somewhere close

2048
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 6: to one hundred games that year?

2049
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 4: Honestly, this is.

2050
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 6: Not at all the same type of thing too many people.

2051
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 6: You know, it got talked about with the stolen bases

2052
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 6: being slightly larger, literally just a few inches largers, and

2053
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 6: now some people don't even consider the stolen base a

2054
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 6: thing anymore, or winning the stolen base.

2055
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 4: What are you talking about. It's the same role for everybody.

2056
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 4: It's not like anyway we.

2057
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so we're the smartest talk radio hosts on it.

2058
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 4: It's okay.

2059
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I wish other hosts heard what you

2060
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 6: just did and actually think counts.

2061
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 4: Folks.

2062
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 3: It does just just a thought.

2063
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 6: By the way we talked about how Canelo Alvarez was

2064
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 6: fighting tonight, it is Sinko Tobaio weekend. He won his

2065
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 6: fight by unanimous decision. The fight was in Saudi Arabia,

2066
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 6: so in order for the North American audience to have

2067
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:54,879
Speaker 6: it on the regular Saturday night time slot six thirty am.

2068
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 6: When the fight started in Ria, Saudi Arabia, which are

2069
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 6: remind finds me famously about fifty years ago the Rumble

2070
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 6: in the Jump when Ali beat Foreman that started local

2071
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 6: time in Africa four am. Wow, so that it could

2072
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 6: be in a primetime audience here in the state.

2073
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 2: Real quick, do we know the purse that Alvarez got

2074
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 2: or is that technically contingent on pay per view buysor

2075
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean I gotta imagine got.

2076
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 6: I do not, but it sounds like Crawford next and

2077
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 6: people are saying, well, this wasn't very impressive against whoever

2078
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 6: he was fighting today, So by the end of the year,

2079
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 6: maybe he won't be holding this title. That was kind

2080
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 6: of the gist coming out of this fight tonight.

2081
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 3: A quick search the AI overview tells me eighty million.

2082
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Dollars expect this is unreal. If you believe ai on

2083
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,839
Speaker 2: Twitter or on Google.

2084
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, well, he's one of the few in

2085
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 6: recent years that could still command that type of thing.

2086
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 3: And it's in Saudi Arabia too. That was what piqued

2087
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 3: my interest.

2088
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 6: Speaking of which, what have we got going on FS

2089
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 6: one right now?

2090
01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 4: Live?

2091
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 6: Goal Fight round from South Korea Live. It's down to

2092
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 6: a two stroke advantage for Bryson de Shambos. They're roughly

2093
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 6: halfway through this final round. Meanwhile, the PGA event in

2094
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 6: Texas has Scotti Scheffler leading by eight strokes. By the way,

2095
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 6: the Baltimore Ravens signed offensive lineman Joe Noteboon from the Rams,

2096
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 6: and they signed sixth round kicker Tyler Loop. Yes, Baltimore

2097
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 6: drafted a kicker number one ranked. Arena Sabalanca won Tennis's

2098
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 6: Madrid Open, sweeping Coco Goff in the final. The French

2099
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 6: Open starts in three weeks. In Major League Soccer, San

2100
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 6: Diego shutdown Dallas five nothing. Miami won for to one

2101
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 6: against New York. A reminder, NASCAR's next three Sunday races

2102
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 6: will be on FS one this Sunday from Texas three

2103
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:43,639
Speaker 6: thirty pm Eastern time. IndyCar returns to Fox TV Sunday

2104
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 6: from Birmingham one thirty pm Eastern Time. Sovereignty took the

2105
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 6: Kentucky Derby, beating the favorite Journalism on a muddy track

2106
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 6: Sovereignty seven to one odds. This was the seventh straight

2107
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 6: derby where the favorite did not win. What a comeback

2108
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 6: In the NHL playoffs a Game seven, Dallas down two

2109
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 6: to nothing in the third gets four straight goals to

2110
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 6: win four to two and eliminate Colorado. In fact, the

2111
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 6: Dallas Stars are the first team in the history of

2112
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,759
Speaker 6: the Stanley Cup Playoffs to be trailing by multiple goals

2113
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 6: in the third period of a Game seven and not

2114
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 6: just win, but win it in regulation. The Star Miko Rantinen,

2115
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 6: used to play for Colorado. He had three goals one

2116
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 6: assist in the final twelve and a half minutes, the

2117
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 6: first ever third period game seven hat trick in the

2118
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 6: history of the NHL. Colorado's lost seven straight game sevens

2119
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 6: dating back to two thousand and two. We had a

2120
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 6: Game seven of the NBA Playoffs at Denver Nuggets with

2121
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 6: a seventeen to zero run against the Clippers in the

2122
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 6: third quarter after outscoring him by sixteen in the second quarter.

2123
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 6: One twenty to one to Oho one the final. James

2124
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 6: Harden thirteen assists in the lost two of eight shooting

2125
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 6: from the floor. Denver goes to Oklahoma City for a

2126
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 6: game one on Monday, and the late ballgame is over

2127
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 6: in Atlanta. Freddy Freeman hit a three run homer at

2128
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 6: about one am Eastern Time, eventually Dodgers ten to three

2129
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,759
Speaker 6: over the Braves the final rain delay at the start

2130
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 6: of that one of over three hours. The Dodgers have

2131
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 6: won seventh straight. The Padres, though, won again two to

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Speaker 6: one at Pittsburgh on a run in the top of

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Speaker 6: the ninth on a wild pitch, and San Francisco got

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Speaker 6: a grand slam in the sixth from Matt Chapman to

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Speaker 6: beat Colorado six to three. The Rockies record is six

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Speaker 6: and twenty seven. Miami won on a grand slam bottom

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Speaker 6: of the ninth against the A's closer, Mason Miller, nine

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Speaker 6: to six. Cleveland won on a grand slam in the

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Speaker 6: top of the ninth, five to three at Toronto. Seattle

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Speaker 6: won at sixth straight game with a run in the ninth,

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Speaker 6: two to one at Texas and to save to Andres Munos.

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Speaker 6: The closer for the Mariners has twelve saves and still

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Speaker 6: an ERA of zero. The Angels ended a seven game

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Speaker 6: losing streak, beating the Tigers and Jack Flaherty five to two.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sagre to Saga,

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Speaker 2: have a great evening. Be back on Sunday with Arnie

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Speaker 2: Spaniard and the Gang, Chris Plank, et.

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Speaker 4: Cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio error towards Jason Martin. We're taking it

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Speaker 2: till two am Eastern. You know, Jay mart I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about obviously another story in a busy news

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Speaker 2: cycle for the NBA. Greg Popovich don't think it's really

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Speaker 2: a surprise to anybody, you know, had a stroke in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the season. You know, you never want

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Speaker 2: to see anybody go out this way, but you know,

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01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: certainly understand it's.

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Speaker 3: Seventy six years old.

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Speaker 2: It was announced that he is not out, but he's

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Speaker 2: retiring as the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs,

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Speaker 2: will still take on a front office role. Twelve hundred

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Speaker 2: wins five NBA titles will be replaced by thirty eight

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Speaker 2: year old interim head coach Mitch Johnson. I have some

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Speaker 2: thoughts more on Mitch Johnson that's that side of things.

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Speaker 2: But I am curious for your perspective on Greg Popovich

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Speaker 2: and everything that happened in San Antonio last couple of days.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of stunned when I went back in

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01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 4: reality had been he was an assistant for four years

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Speaker 4: from eighty eight to ninety two, and since that point

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Speaker 4: was the head coach. I mean, that's a long long tenure,

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Speaker 4: and he's been one of the stalwarts in the sport

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Speaker 4: for such a long time, and of course famous for

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Speaker 4: the sideline interviews and everything else. But a wonderful head coach,

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Speaker 4: no question about it. A thoughtful guy, even though a

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Speaker 4: lot of times, in my opinion, he waited into things

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Speaker 4: beyond his depth and said some things that revealed he

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Speaker 4: needed to stick to basketball. But that notwithstanding, he's a

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Speaker 4: legend and he had to do what was right for

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Speaker 4: his health in this case. And the more you read

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Speaker 4: into it, the bigger that challenge appeared. Him staying kind

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Speaker 4: of in an executive role where he can still be

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Speaker 4: a part of that franchise and still help kind of

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Speaker 4: shape it for the future is the right choice, provided

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Speaker 4: that's what he wanted to do, which I assume it

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Speaker 4: would be it's just a the legacy at least behind

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Speaker 4: and what he was able to do. Thing kind of

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Speaker 4: thinks about it is in those last handful of years,

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Speaker 4: they were just not a good basketball team and they

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Speaker 4: ran through some really lean years, and so the last

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Speaker 4: years of his career are completely and entirely forgettable, not

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Speaker 4: because of his inability to coach or him losing a step,

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Speaker 4: but just they didn't have stars. And then once they

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Speaker 4: did get you know, women and Yanna, they still they

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Speaker 4: were gonna need more. They didn't have the role players,

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Speaker 4: they didn't have the structure at that point in time.

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Speaker 4: And so we can remember and appreciate all that, all

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Speaker 4: that he already accomplished, but it's unfortunate that it kind

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Speaker 4: of ended with a whimper instead of a bang when

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Speaker 4: it comes to what he was able to do on

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Speaker 4: the Sidebinds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think everything you said is accurate,

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Speaker 2: fair to wonder. I think if, if you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: he would have retired. Of course, when when they got

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Speaker 2: the lottery rights to win Manyama, he basically announced that

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Speaker 2: he was going to be staying for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: I will say this really quick and we can maybe

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Speaker 2: even tag it on the other side, because we're up

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Speaker 2: against it here. But I'll tell you what, as a

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Speaker 2: matter of fact, let's continue this conversation, you know, for

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Speaker 2: half a second on the other end, because I do

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Speaker 2: think there's an interesting other element to Greg Popovich retiring,

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Speaker 2: and that's who's going to replace him.

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Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what. We'll come back.

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Speaker 2: We will do that next erin Torris, Jason Martin taking

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Speaker 2: you till two am Eastern, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the Tirack dot Com studios. Hey, shortly after our show

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Speaker 2: posted as soon as we get off air. J Mark,

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Speaker 2: really quick, we're talking before the break about Greg Popovich.

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Speaker 2: We'll put a ball on this conversation because I want

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Speaker 2: to preview the game seven on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Greg Popovich leaves or retires.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, I understand that Mitch Johnson did

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Speaker 2: a you know, did a commendable job as the interim

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Speaker 2: head coach, and you know, took over under unfortunate circumstances,

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Speaker 2: and then obviously you get a couple injuries kind of

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Speaker 2: shut it down to try to get in position to

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Speaker 2: really draft one more star, maybe a Cooper Flag before

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Speaker 2: obviously we all expect the Spurs to to really, I

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Speaker 2: think take off over the next couple of years. With

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Speaker 2: that said, on the one hand, I guess like I

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Speaker 2: think it's sort of commendable. You're sticking with the guy

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Speaker 2: that was there that kind of got you through some

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Speaker 2: tough times. On the other hand, I also think it's

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Speaker 2: flat lunacy because I think that and I haven't taken

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Speaker 2: the time to think about what would have been the

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Speaker 2: most coveted.

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Speaker 3: Jobs in NBA history.

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Speaker 2: But I think the Spurs, with back to back rookies

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Speaker 2: of the year a lottery pick, dearon Fox would have

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Speaker 2: to go down on the short list of best jobs available.

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Speaker 2: And so you have Mike Malone, who won an NBA title.

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Speaker 2: You have Taylor Jenkins, who had success as an NBA

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Speaker 2: head coach. By the way, Dan Hurley, maybe he's not

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Speaker 2: built for the NBA, but he clearly has some degree

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Speaker 2: of interest in the NBA if you want to go

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Speaker 2: that route, you know, listen, Becky Hammond was an assistant

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Speaker 2: coach for this team that has now gone on and

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Speaker 2: won championships in the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who it is.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm just surprised that they made this decision knowing,

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Speaker 2: by the way, not just what this what this next

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Speaker 2: few years could be, but what it might not be

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Speaker 2: if you put the wrong person in position as the

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Speaker 2: NBA as the head coach of this organization.

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Speaker 3: I'm just surprised. Maybe I shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but this would have been such a

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Speaker 2: coveted job if you opened it and actually did a

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Speaker 2: real coaching search.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to know because I don't know enough

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Speaker 4: about Mitch Johnson. I don't know enough to make the

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Speaker 4: call in terms of what he can be. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: What I do know is that what you laid out

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Speaker 4: right when it comes to women, Yanna, when it comes

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Speaker 4: to the Aaron Fox Castle like, what you're looking at

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Speaker 4: for their future is bright, and so you want the

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Speaker 4: right guy at the helm that's going to make that work. Now,

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Speaker 4: you would assume, with him already being in house, that

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Speaker 4: some of the guys that I just mentioned, the guys

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Speaker 4: that you mentioned have talked to Popovitch. I've talked to

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Speaker 4: people in the Spurts organization and either given the rubber

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Speaker 4: stamp to this or said yeah, we're okay with this.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you would think that this would be opened

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Speaker 4: up even if you were good I want to end

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Speaker 4: up with Mitch Johnson. You feel like you would still

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Speaker 4: open it up because a lot of people would be

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Speaker 4: interested in that job, and certainly you would want to

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Speaker 4: talk to them. But I think the most important thing

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Speaker 4: is making sure when Bignanna is happy, making sure Dearon

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Speaker 4: Fox is happy, making sure that the core nucleus there

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Speaker 4: is right. When you mentioned Malone, and Malone's can be

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Speaker 4: a hot name everywhere because he won a championship in

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Speaker 4: recent years, and he won it with great players, one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest players of all time, for instance. But

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Speaker 4: you really think about it, Malone has been able to

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Speaker 4: win with talent and so You've got talent there, and

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Speaker 4: the question is what can you surround it with and

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01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 4: how do you coach it? You get him out of

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Speaker 4: the situation with the GM that he absolutely despised, where

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01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 4: they seem to be just doing things to upset the

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Speaker 4: other as opposed to trying to win basketball games, and

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Speaker 4: that feels like the easiest move that you could make,

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01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 4: the smartest move that you can make, is to marry

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Speaker 4: him to another young superstar, another young big as a

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Speaker 4: matter of fact, but a versatile big that plays on

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Speaker 4: both sides of the floor, and then you have some

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Speaker 4: other guys that can go out there and score for you.

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Speaker 4: It seems like what he did in Denver is very

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01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 4: It's something you could duplicate in San Antonio just by

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01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 4: the way that that team is made up. So I'm

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Speaker 4: with you, it's a it's a curious, questionable decision if

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Speaker 4: indeed that's the final choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we'll see. I would think that, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear we're not an anti Mitch

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Speaker 2: Johnson show. Here a touris and Martin at one fifty

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Speaker 2: one Eastern on a Saturday here into Sunday.

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Speaker 3: But I would say that the least should be pretty short.

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Speaker 2: It almost reminds me of like a college where you

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01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 2: have the legendary head coach and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you hire the the either longtime assistant or the lead

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01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 2: assistant because you want continuity. But it's like, you know,

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01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 2: you could see those things at the college level go fast,

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Speaker 2: really sideways.

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Speaker 3: And this is what it's like.

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Speaker 4: Bill Guthridge when he took over for Dean Smith, exactly

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01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 4: like when it's there's a number of examples and sometimes

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01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 4: it works out, Like I think Michigan got the right

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Speaker 4: guy to replace Jim Harbaugh, but you know, you look

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Speaker 4: at even the same thing with Notre Dame, right, Marcus

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01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 4: Freeman sticks around against that gig. I think he was

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01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 4: the right guy for that job. But I think there's

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Speaker 4: probably many more examples where that does not work than

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Speaker 4: when it does work. And certainly it's not it's by

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Speaker 4: no means a guarantee.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not a guarantee. And like I said, nobody's

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Speaker 2: ruined against him. I think there will be a short

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Speaker 2: leash given that you have so much young talent, and

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01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 2: you really have a huge window here if you get

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01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 2: it right. And maybe Mitch Johnson is the guy we'll

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Speaker 2: find out really quickly. We do have a Game seven

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Speaker 2: on Sunday. By the way, should mention calvs. Pacers Game

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01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 2: one at six Eastern, But I do want to talk

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01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 2: very quickly. Game seven in the Western Conference opening round.

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01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 2: Rockets are actually a two point favorite at home against

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01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: Golden State. Golden State, of course, was up three to

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Speaker 2: one in this series, have lost the last two, including

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Speaker 2: Game six on Friday night at home. Do you have

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Speaker 2: any big thoughts on seven Sunday night, J.

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Speaker 4: Martin, I mean, I have a hard time picking against

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Speaker 4: the Vets. I have a hard time believing that in

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Speaker 4: a Game seven, where they've been there and done that

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Speaker 4: so many times that they're not gonna be ready. And

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Speaker 4: it just feels like the Rockets are a team that

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Speaker 4: we're gonna be paying attention to in the years to come,

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Speaker 4: and I think this offseason is gonna be critical for

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Speaker 4: them when it comes to I mean, the Houston's could

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Speaker 4: be a really nice landing spot for a couple of

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Speaker 4: big free agents or one big free agent, or they

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Speaker 4: go make some big time splash move because they have

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Speaker 4: a lot of pieces that you like there. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: pick Golden State to win a game even on the road,

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Speaker 4: just because I have a hard time seeing a Steph

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Speaker 4: Curry perform. I have a feeling Steph Curry goes off.

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Speaker 4: But I also think that a couple of his running

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Speaker 4: buddies are really gonna be ready to play. And if

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Speaker 4: there's anybody that shows up on the road in a

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Speaker 4: game seven, I would think it's guys that have multiple

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Speaker 4: rings on their fingers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to pick against Golden State. I know

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Speaker 3: they've lost the last two.

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Speaker 2: I know that the they really struggled late in the

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Speaker 2: game on Friday night. Obviously, excuse me, uh Houston outscoring

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Speaker 2: them late. I will go ahead and go Golden State

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Speaker 2: as Well'll tell you what we gotta get out of here.

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