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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. Everyone joining me now is a

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Speaker 1: gentleman you saw do probably some of his most impressive

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Speaker 1: work of his career, which is saying a lot, given

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Speaker 1: how distinguished it is. He got a big win over

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Speaker 1: Mateyo Scamraud at UFC two eighty. He joins us now

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Speaker 1: from I think King's mma, right, yeah, Neil durus Hivan, Neil,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing good?

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Speaker 2: This is King's mma, Anaheim. I just trained with my

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Speaker 2: teammate Nolan. We you know, we've been just trying to

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Speaker 2: get back into it. Slow, nothing crazy, but we've been

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Speaker 2: trying to train.

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Speaker 3: He went all that way and didn't take a vacation.

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Speaker 3: You don't vacation very much.

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Speaker 2: Well, vacations are. They're tough, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 2: we just left for two weeks and then our family's

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Speaker 2: mad at us because we took the baby with us,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they're like, you can't leave again. And

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Speaker 2: then I plan on going on a mission trip and

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the family again, so I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: allowed to leave at the moment, so I gotta stay home.

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Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: When in UFC two eighty, I guess the first question

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Speaker 1: I would ask is have you gone back and watched

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Speaker 1: it on tape, and if so, what were your takeaways.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been able to actually watch it that well

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Speaker 2: because I don't get a free ESPN right, so I

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Speaker 2: have to pay like seventy five bucks, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying seventy five bucks to watch this. I

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Speaker 2: was there. So that being said, I've watched it a

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Speaker 2: little bit here and.

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Speaker 3: There, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, my thing was the thing that bothered me

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Speaker 2: was that he got me down. I didn't think he

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Speaker 2: was going to be able to get me down even once.

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Speaker 2: I like overall the fight, It's just I was really

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Speaker 2: surprised with his speed and his distant management. He was

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Speaker 2: even though he's not people like don't talk about his striking.

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Speaker 2: He was very hard to hit. He was very hard

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Speaker 2: to find. His footwork was really good, and anytime I

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Speaker 2: he would find a way to shoot, just go for

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Speaker 2: the legs. And you know, I obviously I stopped a

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Speaker 2: lot of takedowns, but it didn't change the fact that

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Speaker 2: it made me think twice about going after him and

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Speaker 2: being more aggressive. And then finally the third round, what

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Speaker 2: I had to do was was kind of changed the

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Speaker 2: game plan, which which was have him come to me.

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Speaker 2: I started backing up. I even went to the cage

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Speaker 2: kind of to to bait him, and then he finally

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Speaker 2: came and that was that was finally when I was

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Speaker 2: able to really hit him, because all my other shots,

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Speaker 2: none of them really felt like they touched until that

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Speaker 2: one one one overhand.

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Speaker 1: I think, did you feel confident heading into the third round?

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Speaker 1: You dropped him in the third right, and he was

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Speaker 1: actually that was the part where he was coming to you, actually,

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Speaker 1: But did you feel confident like you that you had

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Speaker 1: had two rounds in the bag.

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Speaker 2: No. So I remember my coach saying, listen, we won

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Speaker 2: the first but we're gonna act like we lost it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's fine, I feel like I

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Speaker 2: lost it. Anyways, they didn't feel great about the round.

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Speaker 2: The second one I felt better about, and Master al

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Speaker 2: File was really stoked on it. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, when I'm in there, I

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Speaker 2: then uh, and then the third round when I dropped

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Speaker 2: a little bit more calm. And you know, my coaches

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Speaker 2: were so on me on this fight about being disciplined.

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Speaker 2: They were so focused on Hey, listen, we know you

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Speaker 2: like to go wild, but please don't just for this fight,

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Speaker 2: please stick to the game plan. Don't be wild, you know,

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Speaker 2: focus on your jab, not everything has to be a

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Speaker 2: left hand, and and and things like that, and and

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Speaker 2: it was, well. I enjoyed the fight. I do enjoy

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Speaker 2: making a mess out of a fight. I like messy

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Speaker 1: All right, what did what did you plan for that

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Speaker 1: ended up working out really well? What was something that

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Speaker 1: you knew you were going to anticipate, You trained around it,

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Speaker 1: and it was executed like, oh, you couldn't be happier

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Speaker 2: The get out of here, buddy, trying to have a conversation. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: that's my dog. The fake knees, the knees to the

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Speaker 2: I would throw a kick. And then another thing that,

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Speaker 2: it didn't look like I was doing a crucifix, but

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Speaker 2: I had him in there in the first round for

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Speaker 2: about a minute in the crucifix. Unfortunately, I wasn't secure

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Speaker 2: But overall I was able to control him for about

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Speaker 2: easier to This is something my coach keeps telling me.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot easier to sprawl with your chin down.

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Speaker 2: It's not that easy to sprawl with your chin up.

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Speaker 2: If you're moving up, moving backwards with your chin up,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, all right, all right,

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Speaker 2: Don't fight like I usually fight, No problem, we'll do that.

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Speaker 2: And so I think those are the things that really work.

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Speaker 2: The reason why the sprawl was on point was because

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Speaker 2: my chin was always down. My eyes were all on

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Speaker 2: I was never moving back when he was shooting, and

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Speaker 1: How would you describe some of your wrestling defense, because

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Speaker 1: sometimes he was able to get in on a shot,

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Speaker 1: but then there'd be a scramble afterwards, and it seemed

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Speaker 3: What were you trying to do?

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Speaker 2: So as far as the sprawl itself, the goal was

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Speaker 2: But he's really hard. He scrambles really well, you know,

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Speaker 2: So that's how frustrating it was to fight him. He's

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Speaker 2: But he did a great job defending that. But at

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: It brings us to this point about this phenomenal wind

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Speaker 1: you attribute it to? Because obviously since the star Yu

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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of things. You know. One

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Speaker 2: This was a while ago. I messed up my neck

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Speaker 2: remember after the Hernandez fight I was I said, I

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Speaker 2: I need to know why this is happening. And my

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Speaker 2: I went to him and he's like, you're not even concussed.

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Speaker 2: physical therapy. I am back in physical therapy right now.

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Speaker 2: I have physical therapy right now, probably around four times

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Speaker 2: drop down to like two to one time a week

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Speaker 2: I think that's been a big factor. Big factor is

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, look when you look at your skill set,

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Speaker 1: how do you and obviously you think you're competing against

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Speaker 1: the rest of the division, Obviously you wouldn't be trying

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Speaker 1: guess when you examine where you stack up against the

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Speaker 2: I mean, I try to look at these guys and

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Speaker 2: I try to be as objective as possible, but I

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Speaker 2: don't feel like there's a place that I'm gonna lose

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Speaker 2: when I when I think of Makachev or I think

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Speaker 2: of even with Gamera. I really wanted it to take

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Speaker 2: him down. My coaches were like, no, we're gonna We're

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Speaker 2: gonna stick to We're gonna fight a smart fight, basically

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Speaker 2: expose his weaknesses and stop trying to fight him in

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Speaker 2: his strengths and whatever. Okay, but I don't see a

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Speaker 2: weakness in my game. I can wrestle with you. I

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter who you are and which one

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Speaker 2: is your strength. I think as far as Markachev goes,

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Speaker 2: we can wrestle. If we need to wrestle, no problem.

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Speaker 2: If it's striking, we can strike. And obviously striking is

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Speaker 2: looking really Chris. He's he looks like such a fun

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Speaker 2: But there's gonna be like moments of chaos, and I

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Speaker 2: love that and I love to see what's going to

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Speaker 2: It's a three round fight. Yeah, if Chandler fights smart,

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Speaker 2: You just I think you have to not be stressed,

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Speaker 2: be ready to defend the body lock clinches, knowing your

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Speaker 2: people think, oh, when you walk your hands with somebody,

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Speaker 2: it's just you have to I don't know, you have

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Speaker 2: for a clinching head position it is extremely important, and

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Speaker 2: and always have your hips under you so he doesn't

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Speaker 2: throw you with his with his judo throws. That would

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Speaker 2: be my advice.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, before we close this conversation, I have

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Speaker 1: to ask you a question that's been on my mind

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Speaker 1: for a little while, which is you know, listen, you

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Speaker 1: have to remember the vast majority of fighters I talk to,

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Speaker 1: they're chasing a prize, which is the belt, or they're

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Speaker 1: chasing money. After all, it is prize fighting, right, That's

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Speaker 1: what they're in there for. And I don't begrudge anyone

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason they're in. They're in for the reasons

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Speaker 1: that they're in and you have to leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: People will make their own decisions. But if the belt

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Speaker 1: doesn't super motivate you, and of course you're trying to

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Speaker 1: feed your family, but it doesn't sound like you're trying

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Speaker 1: to get Like Connor McGregor, rich, let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this question.

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Speaker 3: Why do you fight?

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Speaker 1: What is it that motivates you as a career path

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Speaker 1: and it seems like as a way to express personal

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Speaker 1: identity as well.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I, like I said before, I love fighting. So

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Speaker 2: there's that, But in reality, my greatest motivation is I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you God has given me a gift. I will

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Speaker 2: not squander it. I will not imagine imagine the creator

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Speaker 2: of the universe gives you a gift, just toss it

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Speaker 2: away and you just waste it. Bro, that's I mean.

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Speaker 2: When you look at it like that, it's so heavy.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't miss a practice. I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't. I don't miss anything. I

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Speaker 2: make sure I study tape, I do whatever it takes

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Speaker 2: because I know this is a blessing I have and

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna waste it. So I think that is

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Speaker 2: my greatest motivator. I don't want to stand before my

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Speaker 2: maker one day and say hey, I squandered to this.

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Speaker 2: That would that would that would be scary?

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Speaker 1: Hm, well perfect for Halloween, I suppose the Neil. Congrats

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Speaker 1: on your success. What a performance, man, really really top

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Speaker 1: of the top of the food chain. You really put

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Speaker 1: yourself in And I don't know what happens next. I

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Speaker 1: guess you've got some answers on Wednesday, but I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see it, and I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was good. I have a feeling the

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Speaker 2: next one is gonna be way better. Just a feeling,

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Speaker 2: but who knows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we shall see. I can't wait to see it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, be Neil my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Take care