1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug dott LEEB and you are 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: listening to All Ball, All Basketball padcast all the time. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Last week a little bit different, we had Chris Beard 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: on the Texas Tech head coach kind of telling us 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: a story taking us to the progression of his career. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: And he's a great storyteller. We're gonna get back to 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: more storytelling next week. Uh. This week, I think there 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: are two big things to talk about. The first is 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the NBA schedule dropping. And it's always interesting to me 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: on how um we seem. Sometimes you can be in 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: denial over over different things, like you know, you can 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: be in denial over, uh, why Duke is on national 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: TV in college basketball so much? Or or maybe not 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: just Duke, but Duke, Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas, Syracuse, Um, those 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: are the schools that that rate. That's why they're on 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: TV so much. UM and so it's it's not it 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: doesn't work the other way around. It's not a not 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: there on TV so much, that's why they rate. They rate, 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: that's why they're on TV so much, period, end of 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: the period stop so UM. I do think that sometimes 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: people people question why are the Red Sox and Yankees 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: always on TV because they rate. That's it. There's there's 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: no other reason to it that more people will watch. 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: And when you're in television and television program which I 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: am not okay, I'm on the production side, but the 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: programming side, the only thing they care about is what 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: two teams can we put on TV that get the 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: most eyeballs, That makes everybody more money. And so when 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: you look at the NBA schedule, it's fascinating to see 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: the Lakers schedule and maybe more than anything, how everyone 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: else in the league reacts. I went through it on 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: my radio show, The Doug Gotlip Show is daily three 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: to six Eastern time UH twelve to three Pacific, Fox 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: sport Trader dot Com, I Heart Radio app series x 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: M A E three for the first two hours. You 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: can also down load the podcast daily. I went through 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: it and um, almost every team's website I went to wherever, 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: almost every team's Twitter handle I went to. I would say, 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: here the Grizzlies, here's the Memphis Grizzlies schedules, including two 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: games with the Lakers. Find out when Lebron James comes 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: to town. Like Lebron James is literally the biggest show 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: on Earth now. Um, he is in Los Angeles. He 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: is doing the Nike Who Labron James Nike Hoops Academy. 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: He also had his first couple of workouts at the 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Lakers practic facility. But this is also a week to 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: which week in which excuse me, uh, it was announced 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: he's got a Netflix show, He's got an HBO show, 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: a Showtime show, a CBS show. There's other shows as well. 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: And I think the question for Lebron is not does 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: he not love basketball? I think I don't think that's close. 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: I think he loves basketball. I don't think I know 52 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: he loves basket. But when you come to l A 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: and you have, you can have everything. I look at 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: it at last as at l A As. Have you 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: ever been to a really nice restaurant. I'll give an example, 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: restaurant called the Peninsula. There's Peninsula in New York, in 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: LA in Chicago. I'm sure there's others, you know worldwide. 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: It's very high enching. And a dear friend of mine, 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: whenever he has time and it wants to have breakfast, 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: invites me to breakfast at the Peninsula Hotel, which is 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: right across the street actually from the Beverly Hills Hilton. 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: So I want may like like a block and a 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: half away from Beverly Hills Hilton centrally located not far 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: from the Fox lot Um. It's a cool spot and 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of quiet, quaint, little outdoor area which some suns, 66 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: some shade. It's great. I had breakfast there earlier this week. 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: They actually have a buffet. But when you go to 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: a really good buffet, or you gonna go to bad 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: buffet um like, compare a we used to have Western 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: Citizlan and Oklahma State, or a Golden Corral or a Sizzler. 71 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Compare that buffet to a buffet at a high end place. 72 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: You go to a buffet at a high end place 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: and they have a guy who makes incredible omelets, right 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: if somebody else will make you any kind of juice. 75 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: You don't just get coffee. You can get cappuccino, You 76 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: can get a latte, you can get it with almond milk, 77 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: with soy milk, or you can get regular coffee, any 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: kind of tea you ef you want it, and then 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: you go through the actual buffet and everything is magnificent. 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: And what you end up doing is sometimes is you 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: get so much stuff because you're used to you're trained 82 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: to the whole. Like man, when we were basketball players 83 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: and we go to Las Vegas and we'd stay at 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: Circus Circus and we go through the buffet. You're just 85 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: trying to fill up with a bunch stuff because the 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: food wasn't that good, but you just got a bunch, 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: so you're really full and you'd burn through it anyway, 88 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: instead of just getting a great piece of avocado toasts 89 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: and having a capit chino to where you feel like 90 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: you're full but not full. Right, you feel really good 91 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: and you really got to enjoy that avocado toast with 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: the poach egged on top, just so instead you just 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: had a smorgers board of stuff and you eat, you 94 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: like it, and it's fine, but you don't really appreciate it, 95 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: and it it loses its it loses the quality that 96 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: you're actually getting in a place like the Peninsula Hotel 97 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: or you know, the top end restaurant. That's what Lebron 98 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: James was running the risk up here. Lebrons in l 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: a and he can do anything he wants. You know, 100 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: it's got two houses. He doesn't have to movie's redoing 101 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: his house kids are going to be in private school, 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: and there's lots of time in the day. You know, 103 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: you practice for you work out for two two and 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: a half hours a day, right, you come in, you 105 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: get your body work done, you do your weight lifting, 106 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: you do your stret your training, you know you're stretch. 107 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: Everything takes an hour. Then you get an hour maybe 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: on the court, maybe a little bit longer, maybe a 109 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: little bit less, depending and in the off season, that's 110 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. You don't need to do a ton. 111 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: The most of those guys don't do a ton more So, 112 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: now you have what do you have twenty hours left 113 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: in your day? You sleep six to eight hours a night. 114 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Tonight you're working on um. Now you're working on fourteen 115 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: hours potentially left in your day, fourteen hours at most 116 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: and twelve hours maybe at least. You got twelve hours left. 117 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: And even if you go out to dinner and you've 118 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: got to lunch and you chew up an hour, that's 119 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: a ton of time. And even if you spend time 120 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: with your family, that's a ton of time. So it's 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: not like this is gonna these are gonna be time suckers. 122 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: To be a producer of a show, on CBS. It's 123 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: a game show. To be a producer of of, you know, 124 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: a baller's type of show. To be a producer of 125 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: the documentary, you're the one that's gonna run where it's 126 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: more than an athlete. These they don't individually take up time, 127 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: but if you do end up having a full plate 128 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: and you lose track of that avocado toast which used 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: to be basketball. See he used to be in Cleveland, 130 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: which you just throw a bunch of things on the 131 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: plate because it makes everything tastes better. Now this is 132 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: all high end stuff and as much as you could 133 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: do a buffet, that's not the way to really enjoy 134 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: a meal. Sit down, take your time, enjoy a meal. 135 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: So I guess my only fear with Lebron is everybody 136 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: their whole life has said I want to do l 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: a and he has the power to do so. And 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: every website you go to, every Twitter handle you go to, 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: everyone in the NBA has fired up about the Lakers. 140 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Already a draw with Lebron, a draw come to town. 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Everyone the legal benefit from it. But what's fasting, what's 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to me is the pace in southern 143 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: California is so much faster than anywhere else I've ever been. 144 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: Maybe New York is the only other place, but l 145 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: A is the paces crazy pass it. There are other 146 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: time suckers, not just your kids and your wife, but travel. 147 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna live in Brentwood, and this time at the 148 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: right time of day. What is it twenty minutes to 149 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: the facility the wrong time of day? It's an hour. 150 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: It's an hour. So I'll be faster to see though, 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: if there's just too many things on his plate in 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: year one because he's got a there's got to be 153 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: some sort of meeting of the minds between his style 154 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: and Luke Walton style. There has to be an evident 155 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: what is it? I think it's like eleven of the 156 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: first fourteen games cans playoff teams. They have the second, 157 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: they travel the second most miles Portland's the most miles there, 158 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: the second the Clippers of the third part of that 159 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: is location based, but they're flying Oliver tim Buck two. 160 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: They're everybody's biggest game, and he's got a lot on 161 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: his plate. So am I do? I think? Do I 162 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: totally agree with Charles Barkley with the idea that Lebron 163 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: has gotta moved on from trying to be a great 164 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: basketball player and is simply worried about being a mogul. No, 165 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: but do I think he wants to be a mogile? 166 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: I do. And the first year of making a transition 167 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: to southern California, I've done it twice, and not even 168 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: in l A. I'm in Orange County, which is much 169 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: slower than Los Angeles. It's fast, it's fast, and it 170 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: takes a while too. It takes a while to play 171 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: catch up. Now he's a megastar, and I guess you 172 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: could say this has been his entire professional life, has 173 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: been going from one town car to the next, you know, 174 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: and people pulling him in a million direction, different directions. 175 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: But I would tell you, and most people in Los 176 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: Angeles tell you, this place is different. The speed is different, 177 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: the amount of poll is different, and it is a 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: you have. You have a buffet to which you can do. 179 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: You can go hiking, you can go skiing, you can 180 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: go water skiing and go surfing. You can hang at 181 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: the beach. You can go to a nice Hollywood dinner, 182 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: you go to a Malibu dinner. You can go out 183 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: with family and go with friends. You can go out 184 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: with dignitaries. You can go out with celebrities. You have 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: all these things. This is the highest and buffet you 186 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: can find. But you might be smarter to just have 187 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: a piece of avocado toast and a really good cup 188 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: of coffee. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball. The 189 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: other part that's interesting to me with the Lakers, a 190 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: lot of people are calling out their roster rightfully, so 191 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: there are some pieces that are head scratchers. Um. But 192 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: I've explained in previous podcasts that this was not a 193 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: blank slate. It was not as easy as hey, it's Lebron, 194 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: let's go pick out some dream team of pieces. Guys 195 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: have to be free agents, so there has to be 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: able to be of a trade and made. In this case, 197 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: you needed guys that were willing to sign a one 198 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: year deal because they want to keep themselves flexible for 199 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: next year's free agency bonanza, as well as maintaining all 200 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: these young players. Here's the part that no one's talking 201 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: about we'll talk about here is it's like the Duke 202 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: basketball effect, or let's just call it the Lebron effect. 203 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: As I told you to start, if you go to 204 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: anybody's Twitter handle, in the NBA, there will there will 205 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: be a mention of when the date when Lebron comes 206 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: to town. Because it's everybody's biggest game. It's Alabama football, 207 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Kentucky Duke basketball, it's everybody's biggest game. And for all 208 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: those Lakers, the young ones that we all think can 209 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: be good players, from brand Ingram to Kyle Kuzman to 210 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: a Josh Hard to Alonzo Ball, how do those guys 211 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: play in one, real NBA games that matter, in two, 212 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: in real NBA games that matter against teams that are 213 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: loaded for bear in the past, the past couple of years. 214 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: It's it's not that people, It's not like the guys 215 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: went out drinking the night before the Lakers came to town. 216 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: But it's closer to the truth than they were getting 217 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: in bed with their milk and cookies. Know, when le 218 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Bronze coming to town, you're not just playing on a 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: team that's capable of making the playoffs in a much 220 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: more talented conference in the Eastern Conference. You're doing so 221 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: with Lebron James, who is everyone's biggest game. And how 222 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the young Lakers adjust to that is as in interesting 223 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: is anything else things you can get away within any 224 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: NBA game. You can't get away within the big games, 225 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: and as it's shaping up, most every game early on 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: the season is going to be a big game for 227 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: the young Lakers because they're not only trying to prove 228 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: to Lebron and to the staff that they can play 229 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: at a high level. They gotta prove themselves. And when 230 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: you don't see immediate success, and they may not because 231 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: it's their first year together, when you don't seek occasional success, 232 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: there is at least a possibility that you lose your 233 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: that you lose your your mojo. Um, you lose your confidence, 234 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: which is kind of your mojo. You lose your confidence, 235 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: and you lose your confidence around Lebron James. He won't 236 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: believe in you, he won't give you the ball, they 237 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: won't play it. It's gonna be a really interesting to 238 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: see how this Laker thing works out. All right, then, 239 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: let's get into the changes in college basketball. Aaron Torres 240 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: will be our guest to work for Fox Sports, written 241 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: for the Athletic as well as other their sites. Um, 242 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the amount of immediate negativity. It's like 243 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: you didn't even read through all the RULD change, Like 244 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: now they still don't get it because Condoleeza Rice was 245 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: on the was on the the commission board. All right. 246 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think that the Condoleeza Rice thing made sense. 247 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: I would have liked more a you guys, but hey, 248 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if what comes out 249 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: of it is they tweaked the recruiting schedule a little bit. 250 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: They change where you're gonna go see players some whatever. 251 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Guys can come back to school even after they've been 252 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: drafted like that, Um, you can be wrapped by an 253 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: agent while you're still in school and he can meet 254 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: with you legally and buy your dinner and by your 255 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: parents dinner and fly them up and give them travel 256 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: just to have that dinner. Like the idea is to 257 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: cut out agents that are of ill repute. That's the 258 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: idea that the legal certified agents can act like legals 259 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: certified ations. Do I think this makes sense? And yes? 260 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: Do I think it fixes every problem? No? Does it 261 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: create new problems? I can't say so as of yet. 262 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: And I also don't love that everybody's operating on an 263 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: assumption that the NBA is going to lower the age 264 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: limit and let guys come straight out of high school 265 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't a good idea, then it's not a good 266 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: idea now. But that's what's assumed, and that's why they 267 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: created this a. If you have an elite players status, 268 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: then you could have an agent in high school. What's 269 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: an elite player? We don't know. We're not handling it. 270 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Let's pass it off to USA Basketball. Not a strong look, 271 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: but I think you understand there. My point is the 272 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: the n c A couldn't not do anything, but any 273 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: sort of massive wholesale change changes too much, so as 274 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: slow push towards a different sort of summer camp look, 275 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: a slow push towards a different sort of way of 276 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: viewing athletes, and how we cut out the shady oh Man. 277 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: And meanwhile a relative change in the transfer rule, which 278 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't like but does create player movement. Also, there's 279 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: the players can come back and they must be on 280 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: full scholarship, but only if they stay two years in college. 281 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: I like that. The idea of encouraging guys to stay 282 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: in school more or welcome them back even when they 283 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: try and go out and get a job in the 284 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: NBA are all good things. As far as the spring 285 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: and summer calendar, I don't love it. I don't know 286 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: why there is a need for regulation. I think you 287 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: just do one open month, you know, And I think 288 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: assistant coaches can be on the road all year. That's 289 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: what their job is, to go out whenever. You know, 290 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: if you're around a kid too much, the kid's gonna 291 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: get creeped out by anyway. But this is the path 292 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: they've chosen to go by. And I can't think of 293 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: anyone rule which is so terrible, so awful, that it's 294 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: going to completely change the support. I do think that 295 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: takes place if guys come straight out of high school 296 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: and go to pros. The reason is all of these 297 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: basketball coaches, all these executives and in in at the 298 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: n c A, who will tell you, hey, listen, the 299 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: college baseball model. You know what happens. If you have 300 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: the college baseball model and basketball, you have college baseball 301 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: fun sport, grade sport, well coached, completely irrelevant. In the 302 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: National Sports Blast, let's welcome to Aaron Torres, who um 303 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: my colleague at Fox Sports Radio. Check out his radio 304 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: show eight to ten Pacific time, Saturday nights on Fox 305 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. You can also read his work in The 306 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Athletic Fall on Twitter at Aaron I think it's Aaron 307 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: underscore torres At. Aaron underscore Torres, a college football college 308 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: basketball writer, wrote something called One and Fun just does 309 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: a really good job. Plus he loves to cover the 310 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: recruiting scene. And Aaron, I'm wondering your initial reaction when 311 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: you saw what the n has decided to do with 312 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: some of their new rules. Yeah, I think you know, Doug, 313 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: My reaction was, frankly, very similar to I think everybody 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: else here. It's the middle of the week, middle of 315 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: the day, everybody's running around. You see these big, bold headlines. 316 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: Players can now have agents, Undrafted players can return to college, 317 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: and you think, oh my god, this is a landmark day. 318 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: Everything has changed. Everything we knew no longer exists. And 319 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: then you read the fine friend and you see that 320 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: some of the rules really, frankly aren't all that they 321 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: are kind of made out to be in that big headline. Uh, 322 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, look, I do think there was some some 323 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: important change as far as the recruiting calendar. I know 324 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: that not everybody in college basketball is necessarily happy with it, 325 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of change, you know, an important change 326 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: was made as far as kind of the enforcement process 327 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: at the n C a level as far as the 328 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: way that investigations are going to be done and what 329 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of information can be used. So it was an 330 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: interesting day Wednesday. But I think I speak for a 331 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: lot of people who cover college basketball when I say 332 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: that the initial headlines, Uh, sir, they didn't live up 333 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: to what you expected once you dug into him a 334 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, it's funny you mentioned the enforcement. 335 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: They're outsourcing their enforcement, right, which is which is a 336 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: great idea. Like of all the things people have crushed 337 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: them for, the fact that they have a handed enforcement 338 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: is something that leaves you open um, open to criticism. 339 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: And look what's happened with the NFL with Roger Goodell 340 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: being judge jury executioner, right, and if you appeal you 341 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: you appeal to Roger Goodell. Like somehow this has gotten 342 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: lost The people haven't pointed out even Mike de course 343 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: you wrote a nice article. He didn't even point out 344 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: that they are outsourcing most of the enforcement procedure and 345 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: most of and some of the investigation part of enforcement. 346 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good thing, don't do you Yeah, 347 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: I do. And you know, look, at the end of 348 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: the day, I think what what people have to remember 349 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: is that all of these rules, whether you like him, 350 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: whether you don't like them, whether you agree with the 351 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: n c A whether you don't, they were all put 352 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: in place because the n c A felt like there 353 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: were things that they needed to get under control. Uh, 354 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: after everything that came out with the FBI process that 355 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: you know last fall, and so say what you want 356 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: about the other stuff. This is a direct reflection of 357 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: what happened with the FBI, where you have all of 358 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: these schools in all of this trouble. But it's frankly 359 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: stuff that the n c A in the past, as 360 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: of previous to Wednesday, they couldn't punished the school for us. 361 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: So if you have an FBI wire tap or you 362 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: have a you know, an FBI information that nobody else 363 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: has access to, there's no way that the n c 364 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: A is going to be able to get access to 365 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: that information. And as of a week ago, we were 366 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: asking can Arizona really be punished? Can usc really be punished? 367 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: What about Louisville with Brian Bowen. Well, now all of 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: that information is usable under the new n c A jurisdictions, 369 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: So will it curb cheating? I mean, I think all 370 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: of us that cover the sport know that if a 371 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: guy wants to bend the rules or break the rules, 372 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. But in theory, um, you know, 373 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: it makes it a little bit harder. It makes it 374 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: a little bit easier for the n c A to 375 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: actually hand down punishment if you are caught. And oh, 376 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: by the way, some of the new um you know, 377 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: the new verbiage and in the n c A handbook 378 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: about what can be punishable and how long the punishment 379 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: can be has changed as well. So I think from 380 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: that perspective, and I agree with you, Doug, I think 381 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: it's gotten a lot lost in the shuffle. Is this 382 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: idea that that the punishment process has changed, and again 383 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: this is a reflection of what happened with the FBI, 384 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: And in theory it should go it in theory, it uh. 385 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: In theory, it should help Aaron Torres joining us. Okay, 386 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: what about there is this growing assumption that the NBA 387 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: is gonna change back to allowing players to go to 388 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: the NBA Draft straight out of high school. That that's 389 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: the big thing that I think people are are misreading 390 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: or not reading the fine print is the the elite 391 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: prospect thing through people for a loop. What's an elite prospect? 392 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: You know that's to be determined, Um, but it's if 393 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: you read it, it's like, hey, look, if and when 394 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: the NBA goes back to you can come straight out 395 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: of high school, then the elite prospects can be represented 396 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: by an agent, and then if you decide to go 397 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to college, well then you have to cease to have 398 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: a relationship or a working relationship with with that agent. Um. 399 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: What's your level of belief that they are in fact 400 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna do away with the one and done? Yeah, something 401 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: you and I talked about a little bit earlier today, Doug. Um. 402 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, look, it seems like if you read the 403 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: tea leaves, and I think only really Adam Silver and 404 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: his closest confidence really have a great idea of what 405 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: their plan is. But it seems like they keep moving 406 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: this thing back. I mean, when when Adam Silver says 407 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: there's growing sentiment that we want to change it, everyone thinks, 408 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: oh my god, maybe it will be in effect as 409 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: early as next year, twenty nineteen. Then you hear the 410 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: earliest it would be as earlier this week. When all 411 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: this stuff comes out, John Calipari says, hey, I've been 412 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: hearing it won't happen until two And I you know, 413 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I think, I know you stand on this, dug, But 414 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: I think the reality is while Adam Silver wants to 415 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: win kind of the pr war as far as letting 416 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: kids get to this league as early as they can 417 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: make as much money as they can, I think that 418 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: the people on the ground, the people with boots on 419 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: the ground at the NBA level, the scouts, the front 420 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: office execs, I think they don't want they I don't 421 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: think they're interested in evaluating high school kids going to 422 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: a gym where maybe there's only one guy on the 423 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: court that not only has the professional future, but it 424 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: has a college future. I don't think they want that. 425 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: I think they want that extra year where a kid 426 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: has to go to college, has to compete against older competition, 427 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: has to compete against players his own age, his own 428 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: skill set, his own strength, all of that stuff. And 429 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy, but but from everything I hear, and 430 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's probably much the same for you, I 431 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: don't think most people in the NBA are really in 432 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: a in a rush to change this rule the way 433 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: that I think maybe the general public thinks that they 434 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: might be. Yeah, I've I've always thought that Adam Silver 435 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: is a little bit overreactive to to Twitter narrative. Right, 436 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: Twitter said, right, Whereas like, look, the G League is 437 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: getting better, it's an option for players straight out of 438 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: high school, but the best option still remains go to 439 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: one of these historic programs. I even like what the 440 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: n c I did. Obviously, I think the best, the best, 441 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: the thing that everybody likes, but we don't have maybe 442 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: the best foresight and how it's gonna work out is 443 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: that you can go to you know, declare for if 444 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: you go through the process correctly, declare for the draft, 445 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: don't get drafted, you can come back to school. Like 446 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: I like that. Um, I would also point out I 447 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: really like that. It's kind of always been a rule, 448 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: but now it's kind of set in. Hey, if you 449 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: stay for two years, anytime you come back, if you 450 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: go to the pros, anytime you come back, you're automatically 451 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: on full scholarship. Like I think that is awesome, Like 452 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: creating more creating a reason to hang around and a 453 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: way to come back even when you thought you weren't 454 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: going to come back. Like, I think all that stuff 455 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: is good. Now we do realize that guys that declare 456 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: for the draft. Coach thinks he's gone. He recruits it 457 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: up a player you got thirteen scholarships. What happens if 458 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: you're over the limit? What happens to the players who? 459 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, look, if you decided to come back, 460 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: is that player who's gonna play your position? Is he 461 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: gonna leave like that? It's a little bit trickier than 462 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: people think. But I do, actually, I do actually like 463 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: that stuff. I just I don't really understand this push 464 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: for the nun and done. I read Steve Kerrs article 465 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: when he was working for Turner and he was saying, Hey, 466 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: we need more time in college. It gives us a 467 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: great because because they're they're they're more mature, they've had 468 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: to answer to somebody, They've had to be around a team. 469 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: This is a man's world. It's a professional, it's a job. 470 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: They need some time away from however they grew up, 471 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: to grow up on their own before they become a pro. 472 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: I agree with that, but it feels like Adam Silver 473 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: is going along with his Twitter narrative. No, I totally agree. 474 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I think that there's so much 475 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: value to college um and it's it's on the court, 476 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: it's off the court. Um, even if we're talking strictly 477 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: from a basketball perspective. First of all, by the way, 478 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: every single guy that has been forced to go to 479 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: college kind of quote unquote forced, I'm using quotation Mark 480 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: has talked about how beneficial it was. Look Kevin Durant, 481 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: for whatever he has become the social media pariah that 482 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: he's become over the last year or two. Like I've 483 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: heard him say, that year at Texas changed me as 484 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: a person. I'm more mature. I you know, I entered 485 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: the league, you know, with the more open mind. I 486 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: had met people of Texas. I had interacted with people 487 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: of Texas that I would have never interacted with if 488 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: I hadn't spent that one year in college. It made 489 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: me a better person. I've heard Anthony Davis say the same. 490 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: But then you also look at them the court stuff, 491 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: and I actually think these coaches, for all the criticism 492 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: that they get, they do look pretty good job of 493 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: taking that eighteen year old kid out of high school 494 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: and prepackaging him and having them ready for the NBA. 495 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: For the NBA a year later. Um, you know, look, 496 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: you've been in these facilities I've been in these facilities. 497 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure, Uh you know a lot of media people 498 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: that are talking about this feel the same way. Is 499 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: that you go to what you c l A. You 500 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: go to in Arizona. They have a couple of meals 501 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: prepared for them every day. They're working with world class 502 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning coaches. They are they are basically it 503 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: really is almost a junior NBA. And the way that frankly, 504 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: even though being in the G League get professional, it's 505 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: not the same Riding a bus in odd in Utah 506 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: is not the same as flying charter from Durham, North 507 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: Carolina to wherever the heck duke is playing their next game. 508 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: And so I'm with you, and I think the thing 509 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: you bring up about Adam Silver replying to the Twitter narrative, 510 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: I totally agree. And I think we're seeing this because look, 511 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, I can think back to when this FBI 512 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: thing happened. I can think back to when he went 513 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: on with our buddy Colin Calhood a year ago and 514 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: said that he was ready to make this change. Oh, 515 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: I watched the Ben Simmons documentary and these kids are 516 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: not this is this rule is not having the effect 517 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: that it was supposed to get all of a sudden, 518 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: here we are one you know where where you removed 519 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: from the FBI stuff, and it seems like they're keeps 520 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: being this push to move it back, move it back, 521 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: move it back. And I think it's a reflection of 522 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: like I said, the people that actually have to make 523 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: these decisions, the people whose jobs are on the line 524 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: as GMS coaches, front office people. They don't want to 525 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: be dropping a seventeen year old on on high school, 526 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: even if it's only one year Duke or Arizona in 527 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: North Carolina. There really is a benefit to it in 528 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: the evaluation process, no question, Yeah, no question. I mean, um, 529 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: you and I have talked and you broughtup treyvon Duval 530 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: where where you know, if you go back to high school, 531 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: he's a he's probably a top pick. But now we 532 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: saw him for a year, we understand that, in addition 533 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: to his inability to shoot, he didn't really run a 534 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: team or create shots for others the way that a 535 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: guy like that should. And he's gonna have to fight 536 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: his way here with the Bucks with a with a 537 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: two way, two way contract. He is technically a professional, 538 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: but not nearly what he would have been had he 539 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: not been exposed a bit of Duke for the most part, 540 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: though we helped. It helps build guys brands. They gotta 541 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: show up on time. They got to balance stuff with school, 542 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: which is like it's it's like real life, only it's not, 543 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: and provides him a grade safe in it. You and I, 544 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: You and I cam leately agree on on that one. Um, 545 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: All right, well, one last thing before before we bid, 546 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: before we bid ad um the Duke incoming class the 547 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: Kentucky incoming class. UM. Comparing contrast the two For people 548 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: who haven't who don't understand, just these are two loaded 549 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: classes that I have to play right away. Compare contrast 550 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, it's weird because, Um, first of all, 551 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: I think the top of Duke's class is unquestionably better. 552 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: They have arguably the three best players in this class. 553 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: R J. Barrett, Kim Reddish and Zion Williamson. Who's the 554 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: player that everybody knows, whether you're a college basketball fan, 555 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: high school basketball fan, or not. But to be perfectly honest, man, 556 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen all those guys that are all 557 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of wings. None of them really shoot the ball 558 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: that well. And I'm really curious as to how all 559 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: of those guys work together. Unquestionably, those three are probably 560 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: the three most talented players, I mean into college basketball 561 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: this year. I really have doubts that it's gonna work 562 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: together even the same way. That was that for you 563 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: saying no, I was gonna say even with even with 564 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: was it Tyler Jones, tyas Jones's brother as a point guard? 565 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: Doesn't that doesn't that help mitigate some of those issues? 566 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: It does? It does, But I you know, I don't know. 567 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: I just I think back, and I know I know 568 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: what your argument would be is that two years ago, 569 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: when they had Grayson now and Luke Tannard and Jayson Tatum, 570 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: they didn't have that traditional point guard like Track Jones. 571 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: I get that argument. I just don't know. It's just 572 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to do the whole cliche one ball 573 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys thing. I just don't know how 574 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: it works Outlook, Coach k Has and his recruiting pitch, 575 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: I think, quite frankly, was hey, look man, I had Lebron, 576 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: Katie and Carmelo on the same team at one point. 577 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: We figured out a way to make it work. Yeah, 578 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, like that's that's that you had so 579 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: much better play. Like, look, I do think, well, here, 580 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. Like I think, I think the 581 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: Trade Jones thing makes it work. It's it's interesting. So 582 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: the Nike Basketball Academy has taken place in Thousand Oaks. 583 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: I talked to NBA assistant GM last night and he's like, man, 584 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: those college games were so bad. And I was like, 585 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: why do you think they were so bad? And he's like, 586 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: because there's no point guard. It's like when you have 587 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: no point guard, you have all wings. It just it 588 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: doesn't work. And I was like, exactly, so what you're describing, 589 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: which I I get. You know, you got r J. Barrett, 590 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Camraddish and design, but you know you put Zion at 591 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: the four and you put a real point guard out there, 592 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: couldn't it then work? It could? Yeah, I mean the 593 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: problem is that outside of r J. Barrett, none of 594 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: them are very good shooters either. So that to me 595 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: is I just I don't know if it could work. 596 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: It could work. But the other thing with Duke, they 597 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: have no real depth, They have no returning experience like 598 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: last year with Grace and Now and at least Grace 599 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: now And was a fourth year guy. This year. I 600 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: mean four, you know, four freshmen that are gonna be 601 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: asked to carry that load from day one. Look, you know, look, 602 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be Duke is gonna be 603 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: what they've been the last couple of years, where I 604 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: don't know that I would pick them. I don't know 605 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: that I picked them over Virginia or North Carolina that 606 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: both returned a bunch of players in the A c 607 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: C in the regular season. But when you get to 608 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: the tournament and you throw that ball up, you know, 609 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: it's about having to use a duck Gottli totermam. It's 610 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: about having dudes, you know, and they are gonna have dudes. 611 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: So uh, you know, that is the gifts and the 612 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: curse of college basketball is that sometimes the regular season 613 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: isn't as important as we wanted to be. So look, 614 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: if you're telling me, would I be surprised if they 615 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: win the national championship next year? Absolutely not. I just 616 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: think it's one of those deals that that I do 617 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some speed bumps along the way, 618 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: maybe even more than people would expect with the recruiting 619 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: class like that. What about Kentucky's recruiting class? Uh? Different 620 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: group of guys. You know, the the cool thing about 621 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: Kentucky is they're playing these nationally televised games in the 622 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: Bahamas as we speak here, uh in the middle of August, 623 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: and you're getting a feel for for who those guys 624 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: are and what they're capable of. I don't think any 625 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: of them has the long term potential of of what 626 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: the Duke guys do. I think the good thing for 627 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: Kentucky is they actually have some vets. I mean, look 628 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: re Travins Grant transfer from from Stanford fifth year senior 629 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: to Time Pact twelve All Conference pick PJ. Washington. I 630 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: think he probably would have been drafted if he stayed 631 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: in the draft this past season. Um comes back as 632 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: a sophomore. Nick Richards looks unbelievable, which is something I 633 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: never thought i'd say. Um, but I don't think any 634 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: of the freshmen are as good. I will say this though, 635 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've got to watch the 636 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: first couple of games here, Doug. They got a kid, 637 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Hero from Wisconsin. I mean I saw him like 638 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: three months ago at the Nike Hoops Summit. I didn't 639 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: think he was gonna be like this. He's been by 640 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: far the best players, and I think it's gonna be interesting. 641 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: I think Kentucky's got more depth, more experience, but those 642 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: front end guys that Duke certainly are pretty darned good 643 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: and hero remember what was gonna go to was going 644 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: to go to Wisconsin and change his mind and ends 645 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: up going to Kentucky. And and he is uh very 646 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: athletic uh and and he can look he can shoot 647 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: and score or something that they that they've missed. I 648 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: will be I'm intrigued to see, um, I'm intrigued to 649 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: see if he'll guardeny buddy, and I'm intrigued to see, 650 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: like if his shot selection is really good once they 651 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: get to real basketball games. But he does give, he 652 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: does give them. You know, a white kid was some 653 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: swagger that's absolutely completely unafraid. And he does appear to 654 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: have a much more refined perimeter game than some others 655 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: and something that Kentucky hasn't had in a couple of years. 656 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: And that actually, at some point we'll get into this 657 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: once we get coach to college basketball season. I like 658 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: some of what Wisconsin brings back. Someone was injured last 659 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: year and someone was really young. But I do wonder 660 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: with with Marquette now getting in state recruits, with Kentucky 661 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: stealing away hero with Minnesota keeping kids home, Like how long? 662 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: How sustainable the Wisconsin thing is because this is you know, 663 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: they built a fence up and then they were able 664 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: to get it, go into Minnesota and and get kids 665 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: during bows regime, um, and and occasionally getting kids out 666 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: of Chicago. I mean, like, look, Frank Kaminsky was going 667 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: to go to Northwestern if not for the fact that, 668 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: um what's his name, what's the former Northwestern coach? Why 669 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: am I forgetting? Uh? Yeah, Bill Carmony No showed on 670 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: his campus visit. He they brought him into Bill Carmony's 671 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: office and he wasn't there. He was he you know, 672 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: he was like out like playing golf, like he was 673 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: just not a not a recruiter. Yeah, no, So that's 674 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he wanted I think his mom went there 675 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: like he wanted to go Northwestern. The point was he 676 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: used to be all getting in Chicago, used to be 677 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: all getting in Minnesota. You spill bill of fence around 678 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: around all the kids in Wisconsin. Now, look, maybe they 679 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: can because the Wisconsin they can red shirt guys and 680 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: they can bring guys along slowly and they got such 681 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: an incredible program. Maybe it works anyway, but no one's 682 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: ever done without players. And when your recruiting basses shrinking 683 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: up because of the challenges of Richard Patino and Kentucky 684 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: and Marquette, wo Joe is doing a great job. And 685 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: I do think Chris Collins is a good job in 686 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: Northwestern I think that changes things. But that may be 687 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: a discussion for another day. Um Uh I look, I 688 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: I think that the your perspective of the n c 689 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: A thing is is is pretty much right on. And 690 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: the other thing is that nothing they would have done 691 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: would have been received with open arms. Right, But if 692 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: we if we if we simply said, hey, they made 693 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: it easier for kids to come back after being drafted. 694 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: Do you like that? Yes? I do. They changed recruiting calendar, 695 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: all right. I'm like, look, it's changed a million times over. 696 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they perfected it. I'm not sure it 697 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: needed to be changed. Whatever, that's something they felt like 698 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: they were compelled to do. I think they created greater 699 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: access to legal access to agents for players while they're 700 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: in school for more information and an easier way for 701 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: them to come back to school. And they took away 702 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: some of their enforcement powers and enforcement duties. Like I 703 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: actually kind of think they did a decent job. They 704 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: do a great job. They completely fixed the system, No, 705 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: but we also agree, you and I would agree the 706 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: system wasn't totally broken. That was more perception than reality, 707 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: and so by not completely having an upheaval of a 708 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: system that most people believe wasn't completely broken. I don't 709 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: think they did a terrible job. No, how much you 710 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm with you, And like I said earlier, obviously you 711 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: see those big sweeping headlines and you don't see all 712 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: the caveats in between. But look, my kind of big 713 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: picture takeaway is you gotta start somewhere, right and so 714 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: like if so, we haven't even talked about the recruiting stuff, 715 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think the average fan it would probably 716 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: bore them two tears. But like at the end of 717 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: the day, they've They've changed a couple of the events 718 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: over the course of the season. I think coaches aren't 719 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: crazy about it, but again it's it's part of it 720 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: is about public perception. But too, they made this edict 721 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: they want to get sneaker money out of or try 722 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: to limit the sneaker influence in in high school athletics 723 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: and in recruiting, and so they changed the schedule a 724 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: little bit. Everyone there's, oh, this is the worst thing ever, 725 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: And like, look, like you said, I don't think it's perfect. 726 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: But you know, the more that I peel back this stuff, 727 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: the more that I kind of realized, like, sometimes you 728 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: just gotta start somewhere, And like you said, like it 729 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be perfect, Like we don't have to 730 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: have all the answers today, and even if we did, 731 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, people are still gonna be 732 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: upset about it. And so I used kind of the 733 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: recruiting example just as an example of is it the 734 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: perfect answer? No, does it piss a lot of people off? Yes? 735 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: But did it do the purpose that it was intended, 736 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: which is sort of kind of take away a little 737 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: bit of the power of the sneaker companies without completely 738 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: redoing the whole structure of the system. It did. And 739 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: so to me, I'm with you, is is And you know, 740 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: this is something that people who follow my work, people 741 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: who know me. I think the n c A in 742 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: general gets a pretty bad rap. I think it's a 743 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: vast majority of kids that come through college athletics male female, uh, 744 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: non revenue revenue, Like they got it pretty good. Like 745 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you if you're an athlete 746 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: at a Big ten school, like you're living a pretty 747 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: good life even though there's uh, you know, maybe five 748 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: kids on campus that are going to be able to 749 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: make a living doing whatever uh it is that they 750 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: play as a sport. And I'm with you, is like, 751 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: we don't have to have all the answers today, but 752 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: it was clear that they wanted to make change. They 753 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: put condo leads or rights in charge of this commission. 754 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: And and yeah, like I was the guy banging the 755 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: druma on Wednesday, what is all this? But the more 756 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: that I peel it back, it's like, dude, sometimes you 757 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: just gotta start somewhere and and and this is what 758 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: it is. And it's going to continue to be tweaked 759 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: over the coming years. And I'm guessing that it probably 760 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: isn't the same a few years from now that it 761 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: is now. But it's okay. Like I said, you gotta 762 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: starts somewhere, right, Nothing is forever. And you know, first 763 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: first part to fixing a problem is admitting there is 764 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: a problem. I don't know how big the problem is. 765 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: But they admit there's a problem, trying to fix it 766 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. Like these rules are not set 767 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: in stone. These are not the the tablets came come 768 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: down from Mount Sinai. They're written in paper. Their amendments, 769 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: they can be amended. Aaron, great stuff is always appreciate 770 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: your spirit and joining us so much here. Can't wait 771 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: to hear your radio show, which is eight o'clock at 772 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: night on the Pacific Coast time on Saturday night at 773 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night on the East Coast time. You 774 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: can also listen to it at Fox Sports Radio dot 775 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: com run Serious XM channel three. Aaron Torres, Aaron, thanks 776 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: so much, appreciate does all right? That's been all ball. 777 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. Hope you enjoyed. I encourage you to 778 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: listen to my radio show three to six Eastern time, 779 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: noon to three Pacific. 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