Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. All right, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined by one of the
Speaker 1: hosts of the incredible podcast five four, a show about
Speaker 1: all the ways the Supreme Court is a complete disaster.
Speaker 1: It's also a supervising attorney at Texas Law has worked
Speaker 1: as a public defender in Rio Grande City, Texas. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Rihann and hm On. Hello.
Speaker 3: Am I gonna do like a little jingle for myself?
Speaker 2: You got one? Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 3: You're great, hot girl summer coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right predicted here here here. My
Speaker 2: shoulders started moving a little. Yeah. I was like ship, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling that one. What's your what's your the thing?
Speaker 2: I always ask people and they're like, should I sing it? Like,
Speaker 2: what's your karaoke go to?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I do have?
Speaker 3: The go to karaoke is always TLC no scrubs.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: You start there right like you can. The sky's the limit.
Speaker 3: After that, yeah, but once you get going on that,
Speaker 3: the vibes are going on that, your power is sort
Speaker 3: of centered in a no scrubs direction. Yeah, karaoke is boundless.
Speaker 1: And that's brave because karaoke bars are usually full of
Speaker 1: so many scrubs. I can't imagine that's very popular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they're like they start booing and hissing.
Speaker 2: Talking about me, but I'm grub. I do think I'm
Speaker 2: fine and people. I'm also known to be a bust.
Speaker 3: No no, sometimes I hang out the passenger side of
Speaker 3: my best friend.
Speaker 1: Ride fully hanging out the passenger side of my best
Speaker 1: friends the whole time.
Speaker 2: I just did get in the car and I'm hanging
Speaker 2: out the whole time. I had a friend who and
Speaker 2: then when the first song first came out, they could
Speaker 2: have swore they were saying, it's also known as a
Speaker 2: bus stop. I was like, you need to hang out
Speaker 2: around different people. That's like a that sounds like a
Speaker 2: Joe Biden slang, like yeah, yeah, the bus stop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's one of he's scrubs. He's also known as a
Speaker 2: bus stop.
Speaker 3: Corn Pop was always hanging around the bus stop.
Speaker 2: I'm serious. He was a cannibal and I'm serious, man,
Speaker 2: I'm serious.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: No, we know you think you're serious.
Speaker 3: Rather, no, you're not a serious person in your brain,
Speaker 3: you're serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that was what I mean. Is
Speaker 2: I mean what I'm saying. Yeah, No, we know, we know,
Speaker 2: we wish you didn't. But yeah, because your ice cream
Speaker 2: is melting all over your suit, sir, it's just really
Speaker 2: unseemly out his ice cream. To imagine, I feel like
Speaker 2: that would do a lot of damage to his campaigns,
Speaker 2: Just sloppy melted ice cream all over his suit. People
Speaker 2: be like, oh, you know what, that was it for
Speaker 2: me somehow.
Speaker 3: I think that's how they They need that damage on
Speaker 3: top of like genocide or yeah, oh okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So the ice cream is gonna yeah, he'll.
Speaker 2: Do yeah, maybe he'll do that to distract from his
Speaker 2: lack of action there. And he's like, but I got
Speaker 2: his ice cream all over Oh most sloppy for me.
Speaker 2: But secretly I'm really mad at BB really secretly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: of course, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna do change it up. I'm going to
Speaker 4: tell you what something something real. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: something like well, not real. But you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to tell you about like a Humans documentary or
Speaker 4: come on, but you know we should still check that out.
Speaker 4: But I've been googling pulmonary nodule ever since I broke
Speaker 4: my shoulder in January. I broke my shoulder in January
Speaker 4: and the ice and then when they x rayed, they
Speaker 4: found well, they thought it was a bruise on my
Speaker 4: from like when I hit the steps. I slipped on
Speaker 4: my front steps and one one stare broke my rib
Speaker 4: and the other stare broke my shoulder. And when I
Speaker 4: when they did the x ray, you know, so I
Speaker 4: was like, the doctor gave me morphine and he said,
Speaker 4: you don't need surgery. And then he asked me why
Speaker 4: I was in a good mood. I think I've been
Speaker 4: through through this with you guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But he asked me why I was such a He said, you,
Speaker 4: I don't understand your affect. Yeah, he was like, you
Speaker 4: seem too happy.
Speaker 2: AI powered medical bot. I do not understand your because
Speaker 2: you were on morphine.
Speaker 4: That's what I told him. I said, well, you gave
Speaker 4: me morphine and also just this isn't like I broke
Speaker 4: my hip in twenty eighteen, and that was fucking So
Speaker 4: this is not a broken hips. I'm already like in
Speaker 4: a decent like I'm walking around, you know, my arm's
Speaker 4: in a sling, but who cares compared to that anyway.
Speaker 4: So then he's like, oh yeah, and by the way,
Speaker 4: we found this pulmonary nodule. And then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden everything went you know, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 4: what the hell's that? You know, you hear pulmonary. You
Speaker 4: don't have pulmonary ever, you don't want to hear pulmonary. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So then like he was like, oh, well, they're normally
Speaker 4: you know, they might be might be nothing. You have
Speaker 4: a thirteen millimeter pulmonary nodule. It's just like a little
Speaker 4: growth in your lung and you should have it checked.
Speaker 4: So then I was like spun out for like a
Speaker 4: couple of days. And then yeah, but I couldn't get
Speaker 4: an appointment with a pomonologist until well, at first they
Speaker 4: offered May, so I was like, well, and then they
Speaker 4: found a person who could see me in March, so
Speaker 4: that still gave me a couple months.
Speaker 2: So I just sort of like spin out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I did forget about it eventually because I
Speaker 4: googled it, and it was like most pulmonary nogeles eighty
Speaker 4: five percent of them or nothing scar tissue from previous
Speaker 4: illnesses or whatever it is, but you usually non malignant,
Speaker 4: but they prefer to be the non malignant ones, like
Speaker 4: you're looking at hopefully five millimeters eight millimeters. Thirteen was
Speaker 4: a little big, but still it was like, most of
Speaker 4: these are nothing. So I kind of put it out
Speaker 4: of my mind because it was a couple months, and
Speaker 4: I really did, which is a testament to like fucking
Speaker 4: therapy and zoloft, because it was the old days, was
Speaker 4: when I was younger, before I addressed my real anxiety
Speaker 4: that or I don't know anyway, I would have worried
Speaker 4: down stopper those whole two months. So the fact that
Speaker 4: I was even able to go back to my regular
Speaker 4: life was was was kind of nice. And then and
Speaker 4: then when I went to get it, I got went
Speaker 4: to the doctor. They did, they did. He said, yeah,
Speaker 4: you have a thirteen million millimeters thing, and we gotta look,
Speaker 4: we gotta look at it, you know, cause it's kind
Speaker 4: of big. You know, it's not you know, it's not huge,
Speaker 4: but he's like, we gotta look at it, So you're
Speaker 4: gonna do a pet scan. So a pet scan is
Speaker 4: like you you know, it's a cancer. Generally, it's a
Speaker 4: cancer test to see if like sort of nodules and
Speaker 4: things are active. Like you want it to be dead,
Speaker 4: you want it to be scar tish, you want you
Speaker 4: want it to be not active, right right.
Speaker 2: So I so I go.
Speaker 4: And get the pet scan and they put die in
Speaker 4: your arm and stuff, and I don't mind that stuff
Speaker 4: because like I wasn't parented properly. So like when I
Speaker 4: went the doctor, I feel like I'm finally like getting something.
Speaker 2: I really actually really yes, I really do, I really do.
Speaker 4: You guys are laughing. That's too hard to laugh.
Speaker 2: Laugh that hard at that.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: We were just talking before. I was like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: fucking say some bummer ship.
Speaker 4: But I let into this Miles Miles Miles, like I
Speaker 4: was telling Miles beforehand. Yeah, this has been quite a
Speaker 4: couple of months for me. It really has. It's been.
Speaker 4: It's been the worst few months of my life. But
Speaker 4: I'm so happy now though. I mean, I got through it.
Speaker 2: And so then they did the scan and then they're like,
Speaker 2: all it's You're all clear.
Speaker 4: It's no no, no, no, no no, that's why I'm
Speaker 4: going through the going through the scary version. So I
Speaker 4: go to get the pet scan and I feel great
Speaker 4: because I like people like touching me and stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: like putting things in my.
Speaker 2: Arms to like I will get a haircut just to
Speaker 2: have somebody touch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels good. It's something. There's something really wrong
Speaker 4: about that. Miles looks like he was parented correctly.
Speaker 1: That's fucking squinting and really.
Speaker 2: Yu, this one I was never in to. I didn't
Speaker 2: know Jack, I would be more. I would be so
Speaker 2: much more affectionate with you in person. Man, you know
Speaker 2: I love Give me a little between the shoulder blades,
Speaker 2: r a little because every time every time I hug
Speaker 2: jack he he releases the hug first. That's how I know.
Speaker 1: Say I release a black dye, forms a cloud around.
Speaker 2: Man, then I that I'm blinded moments that I retreat.
Speaker 2: Every time I hug Jackie at least a cloud of black. Guy,
Speaker 2: are you breaking into aquariums again? That's what it is,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 4: Sorry, That's like an Irish person hugging an Irish person
Speaker 4: like they've never been touched till they went.
Speaker 2: To the freeze you go to the barber.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first time you ever touched, you go to
Speaker 4: the barber. I went to a barber once. You were
Speaker 4: going to a barber where they give you the whole
Speaker 4: treatment with the hot towel and everything. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: like an Irish guy doesn't know what to do. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, am I supposed to be able to moan?
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to go birls in love with me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm like, daddy, here this fool goes again. He's probably
Speaker 2: go to the barber and be like, Yo, this barber
Speaker 2: is down to fucking go out with me. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure barber's down to fuck. BARBERA said, I was different
Speaker 2: than the other customers that come here.
Speaker 4: Every name barber's down to funck, but I never come.
Speaker 4: I was talking to Miles before this or just about
Speaker 4: a time on the show. And let's clarify one thing.
Speaker 2: I come on pet scans anyway.
Speaker 4: So I got back to back to bet scans. So
Speaker 4: I got I got the results sent to me in
Speaker 4: a portal. Yeah, right before the doctor looked at him.
Speaker 4: So I look at the portal.
Speaker 2: And I've got the labs. But I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, well, they must not. They wouldn't send
Speaker 4: them to me if they're bad, Like, they wouldn't send
Speaker 4: me bad news for me to look at before the doctor,
Speaker 4: would they.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah they would.
Speaker 4: So it says active, it says activity, it says concerning,
Speaker 4: it says all this, all this horrible stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's when I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Then the doctor calls me the next day and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's the two things lit up. The nodule lit up,
Speaker 4: and the and the and the lymph node nearby lit up.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, I'm dead, you know. But he
Speaker 4: was like, this is not necessarily cancer. He's like it,
Speaker 4: cancer is one of the things it could be, but
Speaker 4: there's a lot of other things it could be. But
Speaker 4: we're gonna do a broncoscaby. So two weeks ago, two
Speaker 4: days before I was on the show, I had the broncoscopy,
Speaker 4: and the reason I was in a good enough movie.
Speaker 2: The day Blake episode days before Chris.
Speaker 4: But I got I had just gotten good news in
Speaker 4: the sense that they did the broncoscopy, which is a
Speaker 4: big deal. They I full anesthesia in debated needle down
Speaker 4: the throat with a camera to take it. He took
Speaker 4: a biopsy of the of the lymph node and the
Speaker 4: and the nodule. And then but then when I was
Speaker 4: in recovery, the doctor said, like right after I woke up,
Speaker 4: the doctor comes in and gives you talks to you,
Speaker 4: which is insane by itself because I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: know what he said. Yeah, so he's like, he said,
Speaker 4: your lungs look fine. He's like, they look good because
Speaker 4: I told him he used to smoke a lot. It's
Speaker 4: like they looked really fine, he said. And what I
Speaker 4: saw did not look like did not look like cancer
Speaker 4: to me. And then everyone said, oh, if that's if
Speaker 4: they said that, that means that it's it's probably not
Speaker 4: because they would not say that. They're like doctors don't
Speaker 4: say so I felt much better and that's why I
Speaker 4: was able to do the show. And then and then
Speaker 4: and then on Monday, they called me last last Monday,
Speaker 4: so like whatever it was, though what days today, I
Speaker 4: don't even know he's there or.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was day last Monday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like that day I got a call and
Speaker 4: they said, you don't have cancer, fud, and they said
Speaker 4: I didn't need anything. They said, what you have is histoplasmosis,
Speaker 4: which then I googled that. So first I've been googling
Speaker 4: pulmonary nodule over and over and watching YouTube videos about
Speaker 4: pulmonary nodics, which turns out there's shit tons of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and you're gonna find them and watch
Speaker 2: all of them. And I'm sure that didn't help it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's all I watched.
Speaker 4: I went from abandoned minds the pulmonary nodules in a
Speaker 4: flash and uh and then and then I went to uh, yeah, histoplasmosis,
Speaker 4: which is something from a like the environment, like an
Speaker 4: allergen that turns into a little infection. And they said,
Speaker 4: you don't need to do anything. But then I got
Speaker 4: so I went from thinking I had cancer to nothing, like,
Speaker 4: you don't need to do anything, you're fine, and then
Speaker 4: I just like went kind of felt kind of insane. Yeah, man, anyway,
Speaker 4: so I'm all, I'm all better, And just to say,
Speaker 4: like if you do get if you're over fifty and uh,
Speaker 4: god forbid.
Speaker 2: And you and I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, you know, and I'm a hair over fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, fifty five, but you know that's
Speaker 1: that's a hair that's a little rounding day, a couple
Speaker 1: of hairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that far them, and then uh, you
Speaker 4: should probably get a cat an X ray or cat scan.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to get a cat scan every year. No
Speaker 4: one knows that ship and no one will do it.
Speaker 4: But if you used to smoke, the thing is, this
Speaker 4: is the way they find lung cancer. So I would
Speaker 4: have been lucky, right, because lungs don't have nerve ending
Speaker 4: in them. I did not know that. So when you
Speaker 4: get lung cancer, the reason they find it's usually stage
Speaker 4: four is because that's when you start to feel affecting thing,
Speaker 4: you can't breathe, whatever, that stuff. But the most lung
Speaker 4: cancer they catch early is through these other events like
Speaker 4: breaking your shoulders. So you know, no one's just just
Speaker 4: in general, like if you're over fifty and you used
Speaker 4: to smoke a lot, you might want to get an
Speaker 4: occasional cat scan, which, of course, you know, if you
Speaker 4: have an extra couple thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just have. I actually have a built
Speaker 2: in one, so I'll just start doing doing them more often.
Speaker 4: We need to do home cat skis. These things do
Speaker 4: not look like complicated. My brother said, you look at
Speaker 4: those machines. He's like, you know they're paid for.
Speaker 2: Have you seen I just saw a video recently of
Speaker 2: one that was outside of like it's shielding firing up,
Speaker 2: and you're really, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then it's like a transformer, like transforming in a Michael
Speaker 1: Bay film.
Speaker 2: And once it that shit really starts like rotating, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: holy shit, dude, this thing has like the power to move.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's worth the money. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean you're making money on this thing.
Speaker 4: I looked at it when I was in there, and
Speaker 4: you know, of course when you're in there, they're like,
Speaker 4: we're just going to do one more cat scan and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, but uh, you know, like are you sure,
Speaker 4: like how much? You know, how much does it cost?
Speaker 4: They should have a thing like on a gas you know,
Speaker 4: on a gas thing where you can see the money.
Speaker 2: The money going up right every rotation.
Speaker 4: You're not giving me another cat's skin.
Speaker 2: I don't care what I got.
Speaker 1: There was a when I went to the Kentucky Derby
Speaker 1: one time, there was a house just like a private
Speaker 1: house that had an ATM machine in its yard by
Speaker 1: like right by the thing.
Speaker 2: And I've always that changed the way I like thought.
Speaker 1: I was like, what if like you could just like
Speaker 1: open a private shop like or a private like atm
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted, Like, what if you could just have
Speaker 1: a cat scan at your house? That Like people were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you go buy this dude's house and get your get
Speaker 1: your lungs check.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he's he's not a text so he
Speaker 2: can't make sense of it, but he will send it
Speaker 2: to a doctor to you, Yeah, in a portal, and you.
Speaker 4: Can look at it.
Speaker 2: It's in his backyard. Is look at this thing, fucking
Speaker 2: go This is a cat scan machine firing up like uncovered.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like barely getting fired up.
Speaker 4: Now what does it look like? Jack?
Speaker 1: It looks like the large hay drunk collider, Like I
Speaker 1: what I imagine the large hay drunk collider.
Speaker 4: Looks like the inside is completely full of clock radios.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a window a window ac unit or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they put a bunch of decommissioned clock radios in.
Speaker 2: A yeah, translucent corded telephones that think.
Speaker 4: Doesn't it does? Yes, it's not. It doesn't look that complicated.
Speaker 1: But we're surrounded by technological miracles and we're just like could.
Speaker 2: You make it quieter? It's too loud. Jack kind of
Speaker 2: annoying to me.
Speaker 4: Jack O'Brien's smog tests, cat scans.
Speaker 2: And at M he's made and legal services and in
Speaker 2: legal service.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that there is that one service the
Speaker 1: people who like witness you sign a document, the notary
Speaker 1: public like that one is just like a dude who
Speaker 1: walks around with some papers and like pulls up to
Speaker 1: your house, you know. So like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we should have more of that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great bullshit job.
Speaker 4: Fucking notaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make good money those ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fuck those guys.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: And I wonder how how often they're just asked repeating people, Oh,
Speaker 1: you think you're better than me, Well, because you sign
Speaker 1: this in front of you, it means something.
Speaker 4: Or are they all drunk and parties? And like people
Speaker 4: are like can you notarize this? And they're like, I'm
Speaker 4: not really supposed to.
Speaker 2: The notaries, Like, I mean, to be fair, without my stamp,
Speaker 2: this isn't going to be an authenticated legal document. Go, oh,
Speaker 2: it's you're a tough guy. We got them real drunk. Oh,
Speaker 2: but to chalk you out, choke out the notary. What
Speaker 2: is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: I'm going to say Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys are familiar. It sounds like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, celebrating network. Yeah yeah, it's celebrating its thirtieth
Speaker 5: birthday at the moment. And this is the show that
Speaker 5: like launched our adult swim Like this is the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I've loved the Space Ghost Like I stumbled on
Speaker 5: it when I was probably about fourteen years old coming
Speaker 5: home from a party kind of drunk and just turned
Speaker 5: on Cashing Network at.
Speaker 2: Like one in the morning. Damn, you were told you
Speaker 2: were fourteen coming home from a party drunk, and just
Speaker 2: like that sounds like some twenty eight year old behavior.
Speaker 4: We build them different in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: We got it, we started. I'm not proud of that,
Speaker 2: but I'm also not going to lie to you guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, just got in the coal mine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'm punching through a pack of Lucky Strike and
Speaker 5: I flick on the TV and there's this crazy cartoon
Speaker 5: and it's like, if you haven't seen it before, it's
Speaker 5: a chat show hosted by this nineteen sixties cartoon hero
Speaker 5: which is really quite badly drawn, but they punch in
Speaker 5: the guest and the guest is filmed on camera, so
Speaker 5: the guest isn't animated, and they had like really famous guests.
Speaker 5: So they're doing a big replay live stream at the moment,
Speaker 5: which is probably still going on YouTube to sort of
Speaker 5: celebrate the thirtieth year, like Conan's on it.
Speaker 2: Tom York's in an episode. Oh wow, York. Wow.
Speaker 5: This is like real heavy hitters, and the show is
Speaker 5: it's just like built for stoners, Like the writing is crazy.
Speaker 5: And it was the first kind of thing I saw
Speaker 5: as a teenager where I was like, oh man, this
Speaker 5: is this is my shit. Like I didn't know that
Speaker 5: I was supposed to smoke weed until I saw Space.
Speaker 2: Coaster, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It sort of like went that way around.
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, this comedy is so great that
Speaker 5: I should start smoking marijuana, which I didn't until much later.
Speaker 5: I will say, don't touch that stuff if you're if
Speaker 5: you're under like twenty, I gotta say that, right, thank
Speaker 5: you drink when you're fourteen, but not yes, of course.
Speaker 2: And then also I feel like I feel like the
Speaker 2: first appearance of like Aquatine Hunger Force was also on
Speaker 2: Space Ghost. That's right. There was a lot of ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of ship comes from the tree of Space Ghost.
Speaker 2: Yeah for me. And then I like then I was
Speaker 2: like I was all in on Aquatine too, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this shit is fucking yeah. I just love
Speaker 2: that absurd.
Speaker 5: Master Shape was a totally different character and that in
Speaker 5: that vision in the Christmas episode is like some kind
Speaker 5: of whiny white dude. And then and I'm glad that
Speaker 5: they kind of like changed the dynamic, but yeah, what's
Speaker 5: the same?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Wait is that right?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: Sorry, fry Lock Flock's different. Fry Lock's different and had legs.
Speaker 6: I feel like visually in much like it's the Supreme Court.
Speaker 6: I'm actually an originalist, so I think that no characters
Speaker 6: should ever change. I actually prefer the first episode of
Speaker 6: The Simpsons. I think the animation was better back then.
Speaker 6: I prefer the Tracy Omens.
Speaker 2: Simpsons.
Speaker 1: They looked like their faces were melting. Yeah, and Homer
Speaker 1: was like the home on, come on boy.
Speaker 2: We're hungry, Like, what the heck? I remember? I remember
Speaker 2: it was so alarmed when I saw the Tracy omen
Speaker 2: version of like those characters, and like, what is the
Speaker 2: fuck was going on? Here? Is the Simpsons back.
Speaker 4: I've been hearing online that, like the Simpsons is back, you.
Speaker 2: Guys watching again? Yeah, I haven't been watching. No, I
Speaker 2: I've I'm I'm I'm also an originalist. I'm an original
Speaker 2: a first eight seasonist. Yeah, but I know, but I
Speaker 2: have heard that repeatedly. Actually, people like, no, like it's
Speaker 2: it's funny again. That's good. I mean probably in a
Speaker 2: way that's like not disappointing. But I think I've moved
Speaker 2: on from like my deep love of The Simpsons and
Speaker 2: that tent. I got to come back to the Springfield Baby.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe I did.
Speaker 5: I had a segment and it did a comedy show
Speaker 5: and then you see it on Comedy Festival like four
Speaker 5: years ago, which actually was just me ripping off Space Ghost.
Speaker 5: I did like a chat show, like a comedy chat
Speaker 5: show thing. It was called Space Couch and Honor of
Speaker 5: Space Ghost.
Speaker 2: Interesting, uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wrote this whole thing where so the couch that
Speaker 5: the guest would sit on was brought into space by
Speaker 5: the Russians and then got blasted by cosmic radiation and
Speaker 5: became sentient and I got Pauliff Tompkins to voice the
Speaker 5: couch so during the show we got to like talk,
Speaker 5: you know, back and forward to the couch and then
Speaker 5: we're getting gist on And had a musician friend of
Speaker 5: mine Disaster Radio aka Eyeliner if you're into vapor wave,
Speaker 5: he's like the OJ He was my you know, my
Speaker 5: band leader on it, and we had a segment called
Speaker 5: let the Simpsons Die, so he I made up this
Speaker 5: like video package that was just a bunch of famous
Speaker 5: comedians in New Zealand going, hey, I grew up with
Speaker 5: the Simpsons. I love the Simpsons. Simpsons means everything to me.
Speaker 5: You got to pull the plug on the fucking show
Speaker 5: man the good for the good of the show. You
Speaker 5: gotta say die, it's gone, baby, it's gone.
Speaker 2: Really seriously addressing the camera.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, like said, piano music, my chords.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. And you would have pulled the plug too
Speaker 2: soon because apparently it's back.
Speaker 4: Apparently it's bad. Baby.
Speaker 2: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 7: I think the TikTok band or I don't know if
Speaker 7: it's fair to call it a band at this point,
Speaker 7: because we don't really know if they're you know, going
Speaker 7: to sell if my dance is gonna sell it or not,
Speaker 7: and if it will continue to exist in the United States.
Speaker 7: But to me, you know, that's very overrated. Like I'm seeing,
Speaker 7: you know, various proponents of this band.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll be like, well, like social media is.
Speaker 7: Bad, and you know there are data privacy concerns, which
Speaker 7: is true with all social media. Yeah, but like banning
Speaker 7: this app specifically, you know it. To me, it seems
Speaker 7: to be about two things. One which is, you know, like, oh, China,
Speaker 7: that's so scary, you know, just this kind of like
Speaker 7: really stupid.
Speaker 2: You know you Yeah, but did you know that they
Speaker 2: like beat people up for speaking out against their government's policies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, that's okay, but yeah, go on, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a China.
Speaker 7: Do you know that they do surveillance in China that
Speaker 7: they're just the government looking at your looking at your
Speaker 7: private messages. It's out of control.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like everybody who ends up
Speaker 2: trying to like justify the TikTok band, like they're just
Speaker 2: showing their ass in every single way. Like to your point,
Speaker 2: it's like, if it's about privacy, then what about the
Speaker 2: fucking American companies. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, to me, this just seems like it's
Speaker 7: like a you know, either there's like some corporate interests
Speaker 7: that are you know, hoping to buy it, like.
Speaker 2: American protect American technological hegemony, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like this app is kicking our apps asses? Are
Speaker 2: our countries apps? Asses? Oh yeah? Fuck? That's one version.
Speaker 2: And then there's just like very casual way of trying
Speaker 2: to explain away why younger people are more engaged and
Speaker 2: outraged by what is happening in the country. I like,
Speaker 2: it's fucking TikTok. It's not the fucking policies that we
Speaker 2: enact that create the hellscape in which they live that's
Speaker 2: radicalizing them. It's this fucking thing that tells you to
Speaker 2: add more sugar to your watcher.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, And you know, and I think that's
Speaker 7: a lot of it too.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, there's just.
Speaker 7: They don't have, you know, control over whatever, like you know,
Speaker 7: sense like all the social media apps do censorship to
Speaker 7: to some degree, Like you know, like on TikTok, there
Speaker 7: is censorship, like you can't say sex, so people that's
Speaker 7: why they say segs, which is extremely annoying. It's really
Speaker 7: annoying when like gen Z college students will like type
Speaker 7: like segs on Twitter or something that you don't.
Speaker 3: We don't do that here here.
Speaker 1: I say, like grown ups, come on now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But you know, there's like there's a there's different censorship
Speaker 7: right like China, and like, well it's not. There's just
Speaker 7: like I think it's isn't it. The CEO is like
Speaker 7: he is in Singapore, right, But either way, TikTok is
Speaker 7: not there. Like censorship is not based on like US
Speaker 7: foreign policy interests, right, so they're not going to like
Speaker 7: censor stuff just because it looks bad for the United States.
Speaker 3: Like whereas like.
Speaker 7: You know, New York Times we see you know, has
Speaker 7: like you know, if policy is to you know, censor
Speaker 7: the language of their journalists and reporters, to to not
Speaker 7: you know, to not go.
Speaker 3: The department line.
Speaker 2: Ye, it was a blast. It was not an Israeli bomb.
Speaker 2: It was a blast. The protests turned violent when the
Speaker 2: police started becoming violent, which is always X, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get that out of there. Just just the protests turned violent, yeah,
Speaker 2: turned violent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's really I think it's just like
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 7: Like when if I think about like the Iraq War
Speaker 7: a lot, and that was you know, I think like
Speaker 7: really my political awakening, Like I knew and everyone I
Speaker 7: knew knew that this like weapons of mass destruction thing
Speaker 7: was a lie. I felt like it was pretty obvious,
Speaker 7: you know. But we you know, had the media just
Speaker 7: repeating this WTMT lie again and again. And now it's
Speaker 7: not like they can't really lie to us in the
Speaker 7: same way a lot of the time because we can
Speaker 7: see videos ourselves of what's happening. So it's more like, uh,
Speaker 7: instead of lying, it's more like just gas lighting. They're like, no,
Speaker 7: that's not what you saw. That's don't believe your eyes,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you disagree, like we're going to hit you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason you disagree is actually just China
Speaker 1: has infiltrated your brain.
Speaker 2: And that's I don't even have TikTok. I just I
Speaker 2: just saw a news clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were people people who have TikTok told
Speaker 1: you that.
Speaker 2: Actually, So I'm seventies e has TikTok. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh, that's why it's like really interesting, Like we
Speaker 2: talk all the time about how the sort of propaganda
Speaker 2: playbook that the government tries to run, it's just it's
Speaker 2: diminishing returns. At this point. It's like they're trying to
Speaker 2: be like, that's actually not what's going on. Everyone's like
Speaker 2: you think we're fucking dumb or somebody like this ain't
Speaker 2: this ain't the nineties.
Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah you were like really recently, nor could you
Speaker 1: give us a break here?
Speaker 2: We are used to Yeah, you guys being done dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, seventeen year old fucking pushing back like that.
Speaker 2: What the fuck was that? Yeah? Fucking flamed me? What
Speaker 2: the fuck? I mean?
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's like.
Speaker 7: Uh, I mean, you know there's these like State Department
Speaker 7: and White House press conferences where they come out and
Speaker 7: they repeat these, you know, things that are obviously lies.
Speaker 7: You know, like for example, like one thing you know
Speaker 7: was that Israel is not blocking aid to Gaza, right,
Speaker 7: and you know, like we can see videos of like
Speaker 7: the AID trucks not being let in.
Speaker 2: We can even.
Speaker 7: See individuals saying like hey I've gone here to block
Speaker 7: this aid. We can see every you know, un or
Speaker 7: other humanitarians, you know, staff person saying like hey, we're
Speaker 7: trying to get this aid in. They're not letting the
Speaker 7: truck in, you know. And then they go out and
Speaker 7: they like the State Department, you know, spokes for us
Speaker 7: saying we'll go out and repeat like, oh, there's there's
Speaker 7: no evidence that they're blocking the aid and it's like
Speaker 7: they know, we know, they know, we know. So it's
Speaker 7: just gaslighting. It's not even lying anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, and then you deal with shit boiling
Speaker 2: over like it is now because exactly can only tell
Speaker 2: somebody they're not seeing what they're seeing for so long,
Speaker 2: and I hope that it just goes away anyway. Biden,
Speaker 2: you're doing a great job courting the youth vote. Just
Speaker 2: cracking skulls on campuses, yeahs, arresting professors, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got this.
Speaker 7: Remember Biden's campaign ad, the Charlottesville one. It was like
Speaker 7: about like restoring the soul of our nation or something
Speaker 7: like that, you know, and it's like, how's that going, man?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, I mean I think that it's the
Speaker 2: same soul. It switches, you know, as as American capitalism
Speaker 2: and neoliberalism will do just just we lurch more further
Speaker 2: and further towards authoritarianism.
Speaker 1: It's reminded me of like this more. I kept being
Speaker 1: reminded of that time in the twenty I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen, maybe twenty sixteen Republican primary where they.
Speaker 2: Were like, oh, yeah, no, it would be great if
Speaker 2: Trump won.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? We're gonna fucking demolish this guy.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so easy. But like there was probably
Speaker 1: some level of like, and if he wins, like we
Speaker 1: can get like we become left even by being yeah,
Speaker 1: what is currently the GOP party. Yeah, like we can
Speaker 1: get away with so much we like take up we
Speaker 1: get so much more ground now by like the if
Speaker 1: he keeps going further and further to the right. So
Speaker 1: like this morning, like as he's in from the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: you know, his lawyers are arguing that he can do purge,
Speaker 1: and you know, meanwhile, the Democratic fucking administration is just
Speaker 1: out here pulling a Nixon administration like on on protesters.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean that's what Having this uber
Speaker 1: right wing like dictatorial regime dangling over everyone's head like
Speaker 1: buys them. Like I do wonder if that was like
Speaker 1: part of the calculus from the start.
Speaker 7: I think that you know, it's like the Republicans are
Speaker 7: just going to keep getting like more and more fascist,
Speaker 7: and the Democrats can just you know, keep getting more
Speaker 7: and more fascist as well, because like you know, there's
Speaker 7: like this rhetoric that like the other the other guy,
Speaker 7: the Republicans will be worse. Like that can be it
Speaker 7: can be literally used to justify anything. Like there's no
Speaker 7: limit to what it can be used to justify.
Speaker 3: And I think we've.
Speaker 7: Seen that with like the Gouse of situation is like
Speaker 7: you know, you'll you'll see people like be like you know,
Speaker 7: oh well, like Trump would do ten genocides and it's.
Speaker 2: Like what the.
Speaker 1: And in this one, I'm like to fuck up and
Speaker 1: let Biden ignore this one? Yeah, yeah, fun to this one.
Speaker 2: That's what's so wild too, because like, as I you know,
Speaker 2: we keep hearing about you know, the the what the
Speaker 2: what the Republican will Republicans will bring if Trump is president,
Speaker 2: But as you look at it, I'm like, I'm you're
Speaker 2: you're you're brutalizing peaceful protesters just like they were doing
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and years past every single time, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, is it the only difference going to be
Speaker 2: It's like, well, Biden will just allow students to be
Speaker 2: tasered and maced, and Trump would probably allow like full
Speaker 2: blown guns like maybe a week in or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but are we still dealing with the fact that we
Speaker 2: are not allowing peaceful, non violent protest to happen, because
Speaker 2: that's the crux up And yeah, I'm like, you got it.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a really bad job differentiating here, really bad job.
Speaker 2: And that's on you.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's on you in your brain diffruciating Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh so you want Trump? No, I never
Speaker 2: I don't want Trump. No, I know, I never said,
Speaker 2: well it sounds like you want Trump. No, I'm saying
Speaker 2: we need to be we need to be holding ship
Speaker 2: to a higher standard, that's what And people are fucking
Speaker 2: up bad, That's what I'm saying. You said you want
Speaker 2: to be holding ship.
Speaker 1: So dude, this guy's a fun Did you hear the
Speaker 1: studio city was a whole This guy was the whole
Speaker 1: ship man.
Speaker 2: No, anyways, you've done me, the media done me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got his ass.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, let's say let's take a quick break
Speaker 8: and we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back,
Speaker 8: And I highly recommend everybody punk completing this. Go check
Speaker 8: out the five four and specifically the Federal Society history.
Speaker 2: It's it's. Yeah, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1: Keep going, it's, it's, it's and I think that communicates plenty,
Speaker 1: but I guess so.
Speaker 2: I always found it amazing.
Speaker 1: Mind blowing that there was in the earliest twenty century
Speaker 1: something called the Business Plot where a bunch of industrialists
Speaker 1: and business people tried to recruit a US general to
Speaker 1: overthrow FDR's government and just be like, now we're we
Speaker 1: fucking with fascism and like we want better conditions for businesses.
Speaker 1: And it was unsuccessful, but it was so brazen, so
Speaker 1: out in the open, and just so like counter to whatever,
Speaker 1: like what America is supposed to stand for. That it
Speaker 1: just seemed like wild to me when I learned about that,
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen years ago, and now I feel like
Speaker 1: this the Federalist Society just was that, and they just
Speaker 1: stuck with it and have basically succeeded in doing what
Speaker 1: those people, like what those the uber wealthy were trying
Speaker 1: to do in the earliest twentieth cent early twentieth century,
Speaker 1: like even early funders of the Federalist Society were like
Speaker 1: the melon like billionaires, you know, like that gilded like
Speaker 1: literally Gilded Age money monsters who were probably involved in
Speaker 1: the Business Plot got the Federalist Society off the ground,
Speaker 1: and now we live in basically like what the Business
Speaker 1: Plot would have liked America to look like.
Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So the Federal Society.
Speaker 3: I think people like listening to this, like you might
Speaker 3: be familiar with, like the term. They know that the
Speaker 3: Federal Society is an organization. Especially when Trump was president
Speaker 3: and was making his nominations to the Supreme Court, it
Speaker 3: like came out that Trump was saying explicitly, yeah, the
Speaker 3: Federalist Society is providing me with these names, right, I got,
Speaker 3: I got the Short Life, Amie Cony Barrett, right for
Speaker 3: Amy Cony Barrett and Neil Gorsich and Brett Kavanaugh. Those
Speaker 3: came to me from the Federal Society. So I think
Speaker 3: people like have a sense of like, well, who the
Speaker 3: fuck are these guys rights?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, they do.
Speaker 2: Listicles, that's right. Number three will make your heart flutter.
Speaker 3: But what we talk about on five to four is
Speaker 3: how the Federal Society is really kind of like the
Speaker 3: judicial wing of the Republican Party. Now, the Federal society
Speaker 3: as an organization, it bills itself, kind of presents itself.
Speaker 3: They call themselves a debate club. They say they're a
Speaker 3: network of conservative attorneys, judges, conservative legal academics, professors, right,
Speaker 3: And they say that they're just there to like talk
Speaker 3: about ideas, debate ideas in you know, conservative legal spaces,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Bring together all kinds of conservatives
Speaker 3: so we can debate, and sometimes we bring liberals in
Speaker 3: two so that we see the other side and stuff like.
Speaker 3: That's how they talk about themselves, right, And the Federal Society,
Speaker 3: this organization, they have student chapters at law schools all
Speaker 3: around the country and where in fact ostensibly kind of
Speaker 3: started as a student organization at Yale and the University
Speaker 3: of Chicago in the early eighties.
Speaker 1: But eighties student one of those grassroots student organizations funded by.
Speaker 3: Billionaires, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 2: So they have all the best food at their meetups,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: You peer behind the curtain one step and you see that, like,
Speaker 3: this is not a student organization, This is not a
Speaker 3: debate society. This is, like I said, this is the
Speaker 3: judicial wing of the Republican Party. This is the legal
Speaker 3: services provider for the Republican Party and for the conservative
Speaker 3: legal movement. So any conservative legal mission or like goal
Speaker 3: right overturning Roe v. Wade, you know, the crushing of
Speaker 3: the administrative state. Federalist society lawyers, Federalist society professors, Federalist
Speaker 3: society judge are all on the same page about all
Speaker 3: of this stuff and working in this network to bring
Speaker 3: those cases to the Supreme Court and effectuate those kind
Speaker 3: of like conservative legal goals. Because the Republican Party has
Speaker 3: realized over the past fifty years, the Republican Party has
Speaker 3: realized that it's policy goals are minoritarian, they are not popular.
Speaker 3: They actually wouldn't win if real democratic processes were in
Speaker 3: place to vote on what they want. So they have
Speaker 3: to use the judicial branch to reach their policy goals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're doing it to an extent, an extent
Speaker 2: where I mean now like everyone's just like, what is
Speaker 2: what is the Supreme Court now? I mean, I get
Speaker 2: that there were ideologues in the Supreme Court in years past,
Speaker 2: but I think obviously now that it's like, bro, there's
Speaker 2: no breaks on the conservative side. Now, we're just getting
Speaker 2: like decision after decision where I feel like every time
Speaker 2: people are like is it legitimate? Do we how do
Speaker 2: we tend with it? And yeah, Like to your point,
Speaker 2: it's they're basically once some freaky billionaires, Like how do
Speaker 2: I get this done? They're like, oh, yeah, we'll figure
Speaker 2: out a way, even if we have to make up
Speaker 2: a victim, yeah, to bring to the court. And they
Speaker 2: won't even really you know, really pry into that. I mean,
Speaker 2: the last few cases were like this person isn't even
Speaker 2: a web designer, and they're trying to act as if
Speaker 2: like she's suffering damages or something by this law. And
Speaker 2: you're like, fucking how and you get that there's a
Speaker 2: whole machine. This is an apparatus, a machine, a whole
Speaker 2: thing pushing this all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the case three h three creative really really
Speaker 3: good example of how like the Federalist Society, the conservative
Speaker 3: legal movement, and now six fucking maniacs on the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court are are are dealing with their issues that they
Speaker 3: you know, it's like we call it results oriented, Like
Speaker 3: they know the result that they want out of a
Speaker 3: case and they'll get there no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, according their brains. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah I thought
Speaker 2: they I thought they called balls, that's what. Wait, what Yeah,
Speaker 2: they call balls strikes. Oh yeah, that's right. A strike, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a strike.
Speaker 1: The only aspect of the story that made me hopeful
Speaker 1: was like how successful they they've been, Like the the
Speaker 1: history of the Federalist Society shows how quickly things can change.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Granted, like things have changed for the worst, like in
Speaker 1: huge way, like just compared to the seventies when this
Speaker 1: takeover kind of first started, Like guns were not mentioned
Speaker 1: in the Republican Party's like platform until like seventy six.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, everyone was kind of like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment is about militia's like it, like it
Speaker 1: says in the Constitution, which we're supposed to be like
Speaker 1: into I guess as a party. And like there there's
Speaker 1: a quote from a conservative justice who calls like the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment thing that we're all familiar with and like
Speaker 1: I came up assuming was like a permanent part of
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. There's like a conservative justice who's like
Speaker 1: calls it the greatest fraud they've ever heard. Like if
Speaker 1: they can so I don't know, yeah, it just if
Speaker 1: they can shift things that far that quickly, like maybe
Speaker 1: we can shift them back to where they were like
Speaker 1: in the seventies, like in some of these cases where
Speaker 1: it's just gotten so much worse because of them. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that that was Like the thing that
Speaker 1: I found one of the most startling things I found
Speaker 1: about it was just how much they have changed and
Speaker 1: how quickly it's happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it shows the power the federal of society's success,
Speaker 3: the success of the conservative legal movement more broadly, Like
Speaker 3: it shows the power of like building a movement, like organizing,
Speaker 3: like yeah, taking taking courts seriously, right, Like It's not
Speaker 3: it wasn't like magic that did it. It was that,
Speaker 3: like people coalesced around their common interest in opposing the
Speaker 3: New Deal, the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement,
Speaker 3: and movements to expand democracy. We can say, right, they
Speaker 3: didn't like that, and so they started to organize against it.
Speaker 3: They made connections with politicians all of that stuff, and over,
Speaker 3: like I said, over the past fifty years, like they
Speaker 3: are now, you know, kind of living in the world
Speaker 3: that they built, like living with their successes. And unfortunately
Speaker 3: they're still full steam ahead because they're an incredibly powerful
Speaker 3: movement now. But I think you're exactly right, Jack, Like
Speaker 3: people will, especially law students will ask us. When we
Speaker 3: like go to law schools and talk about this stuff,
Speaker 3: law students will ask us like they're like hopeless, They're
Speaker 3: like despondent, right, They're like, what, like this world is unacceptable?
Speaker 3: How on earth do you like fight back against the
Speaker 3: federalist society? And I think that's because like a lot
Speaker 3: of young people like you, just you have come up
Speaker 3: into your adulthood in like a Trump presidency, like everything awful,
Speaker 3: like institutions just completely illegitimate on their face, corrupt, and
Speaker 3: you're just like how do you fix this?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: But taking a step back, it's exactly like you said, Jack,
Speaker 3: like politics can actually move quite quickly, and it just
Speaker 3: means that, like movements need to be built, we also
Speaker 3: can organize ourselves against what they're doing, right, And there
Speaker 3: are lots of different methods that actually, like it's not
Speaker 3: about like building a response twin organization of the federalist
Speaker 3: society to oppose the federalist society, right, It's about like recognizing,
Speaker 3: like you know, if you're interested in social justice, if
Speaker 3: you're a movement lawyer, all of these people like we
Speaker 3: have power that is very different from a billionaire funded
Speaker 3: my case to go to the Supreme Court should and
Speaker 3: we should be using it right, And those things can
Speaker 3: happen very quickly in politics. Historically they've happened very quickly.
Speaker 3: So this is not like, you know, the end is
Speaker 3: not written, Like the federal society as it is today
Speaker 3: is not the world that we live in forever now,
Speaker 3: like we can do something about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like things ebb and flown right now. I think
Speaker 2: if you're younger, then you've been caught up like you've
Speaker 2: only known peak federalist society power exactly. I don't know
Speaker 2: how the fuck does this change, but like anything, yeah,
Speaker 2: things opinions change, and movements begin to form, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this is I mean, I think because of
Speaker 2: the like depravity of the Supreme Court, it's it's doing
Speaker 2: the thing of like naturally beginning to radicalize people or
Speaker 2: at least bring people into a level of consciousness about Okay,
Speaker 2: so wait what how Okay? And they are able to
Speaker 2: get there why because their corporations are now treated as
Speaker 2: people and can also spend unlimited sums of money that
Speaker 2: is actually affecting the legislative products. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And I think yeah, to that end, I feel like
Speaker 2: we're just I mean, we talked about this all the time.
Speaker 2: When you look at younger people, and like when I
Speaker 2: was in college, I was like I was engaged, but
Speaker 2: not to the degree that I even see people that
Speaker 2: are in high school are now because the stakes are
Speaker 2: just completely different for them. So there is like this
Speaker 2: double edged sword thing here where with the fuckery comes
Speaker 2: increased knowledge. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely a difficult time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could be existing, Yeah, exactly. And I think it's
Speaker 3: about like seeing where where power is right now and
Speaker 3: how we can transfer power right so right now, it's
Speaker 3: like not about like building the most powerful liberal legal
Speaker 3: organization to counter the federalist society. It's actually about saying, like,
Speaker 3: the federalist society has too much fucking power in our
Speaker 3: politics and in our law making and in you know,
Speaker 3: in the judiciary, the Supreme Court has too much fucking power,
Speaker 3: and so you know, things like structural reforms, movement building
Speaker 3: that shift power to the people who should have it, workers, consumers,
Speaker 3: the people, right, democratic structures of government. That's where that's
Speaker 3: where our folks it should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about that too, right, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess I was. We will talk about like what
Speaker 2: we could do later on, but it's come up pretty
Speaker 2: naturally now. Is like, you know, most people look at
Speaker 2: it and go, what can we do? Like if it
Speaker 2: like like all these people are screaming and shouting that
Speaker 2: they don't want X, Y or Z, but they just
Speaker 2: don't care. And I get that, Like, you know, one
Speaker 2: version is to build up the people power to do
Speaker 2: something like that. And then the other version too, is
Speaker 2: like if we want things like term limits or like
Speaker 2: if we want to pack the courts, we need legislators
Speaker 2: to do that, and that means like we have to
Speaker 2: count on them because based on what I've seen, our
Speaker 2: legislators move at a pace that could be described as
Speaker 2: heroin snail and so that does make me a little
Speaker 2: bit weird. But how do you look at that? Because
Speaker 2: I think that is one of the ways too, like
Speaker 2: we do need legislation that actually arises like that intersects
Speaker 2: with the justices out of place that they know they're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: these are new rules now. Yeah, but how like how
Speaker 2: do you sort of look at that and what do
Speaker 2: you see as being like more effective versus the other,
Speaker 2: or if we should just be like no, no, no, like
Speaker 2: for patient, maybe this will work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, it's not about patients. It's about like
Speaker 3: like doing some real shit, right and doing some real
Speaker 3: shit kind of like across the board, across all of
Speaker 3: We should be using all of the tools that we
Speaker 3: have for this. So when like I said, we should
Speaker 3: be decreasing the power of the Supreme Court, how do
Speaker 3: you do that? There are lots of ways. Some of
Speaker 3: the things that you've just described are really good ways
Speaker 3: that like we should be pursuing. So packing the court,
Speaker 3: making the court bigger, making the number of justices bigger
Speaker 3: on the Supreme Court decreases the power that each individual
Speaker 3: justice has, right It spreads power over a bigger body,
Speaker 3: meaning Sam Alito, the fuck face, Brett Kavanaugh, the psycho,
Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas don't have that like that the power that's
Speaker 3: currently consultalidated in them right now. Packing the Court is
Speaker 3: a really really is a really great way to decrease
Speaker 3: that power. And that's kind of like what you're talking
Speaker 3: about with this kind of like short term, long term thing, right,
Speaker 3: we should be using like the short term avenues that
Speaker 3: are available to us in building a long term where
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, the Federal society, corporations have less power
Speaker 3: over all of us, right term limits, That's a really
Speaker 3: good idea. I think there are tons of ideas for
Speaker 3: structural reform of the Supreme Court, and we should be
Speaker 3: like talking about all of them. That's when it comes
Speaker 3: to the politicians, right, it's a failure of the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party that the Republicans and the federalist society, the conservative
Speaker 3: legal movement has taken the court so seriously for decades now,
Speaker 3: and they've won what they've won, and they are like
Speaker 3: rolling around in the pig sty shit that they've created
Speaker 3: and they love it. They're partying, right, and Democrats still
Speaker 3: are not taking the Supreme Court seriously, still not saying, hey,
Speaker 3: we need to reform this, Hey we need to we
Speaker 3: need to be doing our politics around this is right?
Speaker 2: What like what's the fear of the Democrats to legislate
Speaker 2: the courts? Like what you know, I mean, because I
Speaker 2: get part of it too. Is like at the same time,
Speaker 2: both parties still serve corporate interest to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: so like obviously they're like, hey, you know, like maybe
Speaker 2: go that Maybe they's just the will of the donors,
Speaker 2: aren't there or what or is just historically that there's
Speaker 2: just this like aversion to it. But that's the one
Speaker 2: thing all I see is like things happen, and then
Speaker 2: you'll see people like Chuck Schumer or Nancy Polsy're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, we got to do something about the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, just not now, and I don't know when,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say that out loud, because that's what
Speaker 2: we do as a party. I Mean.
Speaker 1: The also thing I always hear them say is that
Speaker 1: if they packed the if Democrats pack the court when
Speaker 1: they're in office, won't the Republicans just pack the court
Speaker 1: back at them? And if so, it like who does
Speaker 1: that benefit overall?
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, yeah, Okay, So I have two thoughts
Speaker 3: about this. One is like the historical thing in history,
Speaker 3: pressure on the Supreme Court by the other branches of
Speaker 3: government work. So most famously, probably the most famous example
Speaker 3: is FDR in the nineteen thirties, early nineteen forties, and
Speaker 3: with Congress is passing all of this New Deal legislation, right,
Speaker 3: getting people jobs as a communist, getting people jobs, getting
Speaker 3: people to work, outlying child labor, you know, more rights
Speaker 3: for workers, supporting unions, all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court at that time was conservative and
Speaker 3: was striking down all of that legislation left and right.
Speaker 3: What did FDR do? FDR threatened to pack the court.
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm about to add justices if you
Speaker 3: guys don't get in line. And what did the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court do?
Speaker 2: They got in line.
Speaker 3: They started, they stopped striking down that legislation so that
Speaker 3: new Deal legislation could actually go into effect. So there
Speaker 3: are historical analogs here, like we could be looking at
Speaker 3: that for historical analogs for Democrats actually using the fucking
Speaker 3: political power that they have, right. And so there's that.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that I was going to
Speaker 3: say to your point Jack about like this counter argument
Speaker 3: that Democrats will be like, well, Republicans will pack the
Speaker 3: court if we pack the court, and then it will
Speaker 3: be all Republicans. The thing that is like the thing
Speaker 3: that people don't stop and realize is that Republicans have
Speaker 3: packed the court. We live in a reality that is
Speaker 3: a Republican packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary. When Trump
Speaker 3: was in office, he nominated twenty five percent of the
Speaker 3: current federal bench. All federal district court judges were nominated
Speaker 3: by Donald Trump. That's because that Republican president took the
Speaker 3: judiciary seriously and was like, oh, we have all these
Speaker 3: spots to fill, let's go. Right, So we live in
Speaker 3: the world that is already a Republican packed court, a
Speaker 3: Republican packed judiciary, and so Democrats should be taking that
Speaker 3: seriously as as sort of a method again, one of
Speaker 3: the tools that they have, and because the result would
Speaker 3: be that when Republicans pack the courts, the results are
Speaker 3: power is consolidated in the wealthy, in corporations, et cetera.
Speaker 3: If Democrats would pack the courts, the results would be
Speaker 3: people have more power, workers have more power, women have
Speaker 3: more power, minorities have more power. That's very hard to
Speaker 3: take away once it's given. Right, So the threat, but
Speaker 3: I don't know a generation to generations from now that
Speaker 3: then Republicans would come back and pack the court. And
Speaker 3: if Democrats packed the court first, that is so remote. Like,
Speaker 3: let's actually do something with the power that we have
Speaker 3: to give power to more people. And that is doing politics,
Speaker 3: That is doing good governance, right, And yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: worried about Republicans packing the court in fifty years. I'm
Speaker 3: worried about the Republican packed court right now.
Speaker 2: Right right, because it's there. It's like it's more the
Speaker 2: Democrats are unpacking than packing exactly.
Speaker 3: You're just letting it being packed.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The last thing that I just wanted to cover on
Speaker 1: the Federal Society is there's been this narrative of well,
Speaker 1: the Conservatives, now that they overturned Row, are kind of
Speaker 1: like the dog that caught the car, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of this hopeful thing of like, yeah, but that that
Speaker 1: was all they cared about, right, and now they accomplished that,
Speaker 1: it's unpopular, they're kind of fucked.
Speaker 2: What are they going to do?
Speaker 1: And I think you specifically framed it as like the
Speaker 1: Federal Society is a service provider to the Republican Party,
Speaker 1: like they will move in accordance with whatever the Republican
Speaker 1: Party wants. Like the gun thing didn't start with the
Speaker 1: Federalist Society. It started with like Reagan, and you know,
Speaker 1: the Republican Party kind.
Speaker 2: Of adopted some of these nra and.
Speaker 1: Then the Federalist Society is like, all right, well we
Speaker 1: are the judicial wing, as you said, of the Republican Party,
Speaker 1: so we're just going to get in line. So they
Speaker 1: are going to be you know, as Trump you know,
Speaker 1: continues to wheel power or you know, let's say he
Speaker 1: wins the next election, they are going to be a
Speaker 1: fascism machine like that. It's not going to be a
Speaker 1: thing where they're like, all right, well this is the
Speaker 1: bridge too far. I think, like January sixth, the fact
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't like ratify a separate set of electors
Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court, I think made misled me to
Speaker 1: be like, so the Supreme Court like ultimately is not
Speaker 1: going to just go along with Trump's bullshit. But like
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the Federalist society who like
Speaker 1: put those justices on the Supreme Court were like guns blazing,
Speaker 1: like January sixth, like election overturning, like conspiracy theorists like that.
Speaker 1: One of the founders was like, guys, this is too
Speaker 1: much like Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for president.
Speaker 1: And they were like, you can't call yourself the founder anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what his title.
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm sorry, I like Donald Trump again.
Speaker 1: January sixth was tight, but it's just like I do
Speaker 1: think the near future is just as dangerous, and you know,
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of really dark possibilities with
Speaker 1: the Federalist Society just as much as like the recent past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, we said that the Federalist Society,
Speaker 3: you know, provided the list for Trump for who he
Speaker 3: was nominating to the Supreme Court. Those justices, in fact,
Speaker 3: the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court right now
Speaker 3: are currently members of the Federal Society or have been
Speaker 3: at points in their past. Just want to make it clear,
Speaker 3: like this is this is a network that is like, uh,
Speaker 3: this is a network that's promoting from within its own ranks.
Speaker 3: These are their own people, right, And there's not a separation.
Speaker 3: There's not a separation. There is not a separation between
Speaker 3: the Federalist Society and the people on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think January sixth is like a really interesting like
Speaker 3: moment in history. I guess you could say for the
Speaker 3: Federalist Society because I think that if we're kind of
Speaker 3: calling the Federal Society like a party, a political party,
Speaker 3: it's it's not officially, but if we think about it
Speaker 3: like that, they learned lessons from January sixth, right, and
Speaker 3: I think a really big lesson they learned was that
Speaker 3: you know, they can as they were in January sixth,
Speaker 3: leading up to January sixth and afterwards, in all of
Speaker 3: the litigation, whether it was Trump's fraud claims about votes,
Speaker 3: whether it was about you know, states certifying their electors,
Speaker 3: all of it, Federal Society lawyers had their hands on
Speaker 3: all of that. We're directing all of that. There are
Speaker 3: Federal Society lawyers who were actually took part in planning
Speaker 3: the January sixth stuff like specifically. But I think the
Speaker 3: lesson learned was that the public at large probably was
Speaker 3: left with a bit of distaste about the actual coup part, right,
Speaker 3: the actual invasion of the capital part, right, whereas the
Speaker 3: Federalist Society could have and I think now has like
Speaker 3: learned the lesson that it can still be behind the
Speaker 3: scenes doing all of the legal machinations, all of the
Speaker 3: legal stuff, the legal work that needs to be done
Speaker 3: to effectuate the result that they want, which is Trump
Speaker 3: winning the presidency next time. Right, And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: think they've learned that lesson, and they know that the
Speaker 3: messy coup literal riot part was maybe something that would
Speaker 3: like kind of made it overall unsuccessful. But they know
Speaker 3: that they have allies on the court up and down
Speaker 3: the Federal Judiciary. The lawyers have been working on this
Speaker 3: stuff for years, meaning like what kind of cases to bring,
Speaker 3: they're ready for the litigation, and yeah, they're the Federalist
Speaker 3: Society has always been really good at this exactly, the
Speaker 3: behind the scenes work where they're not saying like the
Speaker 3: Federalist Society is bringing this case. The Federal Society isn't
Speaker 3: suing anybody. It's people in this network, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't give up. They've been They try and try,
Speaker 1: and you know, they were trying to overturn Row for
Speaker 1: decades and then they just kept trying different things until
Speaker 1: they found a strategy packing the court with Federalist Society
Speaker 1: people that actually worked exactly. So, yeah, this isn't going
Speaker 1: to stop until an alternate force is put to work
Speaker 1: that stops it in counterbalance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like a lot of legal analysts
Speaker 3: or journalists media at the time that Dobbs came down,
Speaker 3: which overturned Roe v. Wade, a lot of commentators were like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: what's the Republican Party going to do? Now, what's the
Speaker 3: Federal Society going to do?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Like they they won, They got there like big, they
Speaker 3: achieved their big project of overturning Row, and now it
Speaker 3: seems like they're going to be like kind of disorganized
Speaker 3: and they don't really know what they're working on now.
Speaker 3: False false false false.
Speaker 1: R Right, it's the was like check made assholes.
Speaker 2: Wait wait you just took it. Y'are after I embryos?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly right.
Speaker 3: So it's like, again if we're thinking of them as
Speaker 3: kind of like a political party, like now it's more
Speaker 3: like a normal political party where there's different bowls of interest,
Speaker 3: less focused on the one single issue that they did
Speaker 3: coalesce around over you know, since since Roe v. Wade,
Speaker 3: since the early seventies. But they have tons of energy,
Speaker 3: tons of political will, and and again what they're working
Speaker 3: on is even more fascist stuff coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 3: And it's all centered not just their opposition to Roe v.
Speaker 3: Wade and abortion rights. It's all centered on their opposition
Speaker 3: to the New Deal, to the civil rights movement, to
Speaker 3: the women's rights movement, and to expanding democracy. So the wildest,
Speaker 3: most fascist shit you can think of, legally, they're working
Speaker 3: on it right now. It's absolutely coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 3: Whether that's like rolling back protections for women and queer people,
Speaker 3: whether that is saying you don't have a right to contraception,
Speaker 3: whether you know, we're talking about like prisoner's rights, the
Speaker 3: rights of criminal defendants, all kinds of stuff. They are
Speaker 3: absolutely still working on it. They are not disorganized now
Speaker 3: that they quote unquote one overturn at robi ways.
Speaker 2: I think the only part that I think they're like
Speaker 2: conflating what the aims are of the Federalist Society and
Speaker 2: like the broader conservative judicial movement with like the electoral
Speaker 2: politics of people that are a down ballot of Trump
Speaker 2: who are like, ooh, I don't know what to do now.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, sure, in that narrow sense, yes exactly,
Speaker 2: it's difficult now to campaign. But in terms of like
Speaker 2: a movement, like we're already saying, it's like they want
Speaker 2: to basically, they really want to go back to the
Speaker 2: nineteenth century at best, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's the Federal Society being that service provider.
Speaker 3: So you best believe they are hooking up with Republican
Speaker 3: and conservative politicians and being like, here's what you can
Speaker 3: campaign on. We're working on this. This is what donors
Speaker 3: care about right now, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall from the podcast you're wrong about talks about
Speaker 1: how the right wing takeover of media and of politics
Speaker 1: over the past like fifty years has been very similar
Speaker 1: to like the panics that the right wing was having
Speaker 1: about like communism, like the Red Scare and like Satanism
Speaker 1: and stuff like it's been this you know, smaller like
Speaker 1: minority group that has imposed its ideals through. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes infiltration and all the shit that
Speaker 1: they were worried about.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like their.
Speaker 1: Concerns around the Satanic panic and like the Red Scare,
Speaker 1: we're just like them telling on themselves or giving themselves
Speaker 1: ideas about like how to do this shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Republicans, conservatives in general, especially social conservatives, they'll they're
Speaker 3: they're really good at making the issues they care about
Speaker 3: into culture war bullshit, right, like really firing up a base,
Speaker 3: really like yeah, firing up this moral panic about stuff.
Speaker 3: And then when you like take a step back, you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: people voting, like you're talking about mail in ballots like
Speaker 3: what you know. So yeah, yeah, that's as tried and
Speaker 3: true tale as old as time for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back to talk about what's happening on the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: We'll be right there a lot and we're back. We're
Speaker 2: stand on a stool, stand on a stool. I don't
Speaker 2: care ta stand on a stool, stand on a stool,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 4: Hashtag Neil Young, Neil Young.
Speaker 1: So just a quick roundup of some Trump news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you don't get too bogged down here, And because
Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of time, we'll just we'll.
Speaker 2: Just rip through, all right. Where do we start. He's
Speaker 2: spent over seventy six million dollars in legal fees, and
Speaker 2: the main account that he's been using to fund all
Speaker 2: this is down to only a couple million. So people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, he's gonna have to start using the
Speaker 2: rnc's money. But I don't. I feel like so many
Speaker 2: these headlines are written in a way to be like
Speaker 2: they're coming home to roost soon. It's like he's always
Speaker 2: gonna find fucking millions of dollars in the couch cushions.
Speaker 4: Shit has been coming home to roost for fucking eight years.
Speaker 2: I know, I know this is the one that's gonna
Speaker 2: get him. CHRISP.
Speaker 4: Maggie Haberman, your father went out for cigarettes and Maggie
Speaker 4: Haberman tunes. Oh well, I think he's pretty upset. I
Speaker 4: don't know, I know him pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's upset. He's really this time Jack. He seems
Speaker 2: so mad at me.
Speaker 1: That's a real story. Yeah, I know, so mad at me.
Speaker 1: Like you should have seen the look he was being
Speaker 1: such a bitch.
Speaker 2: To me his self. Tanner was just dripping off his channel.
Speaker 4: Someone should make a fucking TV show about the Maggie
Speaker 4: Haberman Trump romance.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that'll be a great, good show. It could
Speaker 2: be done pretty quick.
Speaker 4: I knew how to make a show. I was about
Speaker 4: to say if I knew how to make a show,
Speaker 4: but then you just figured it out for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just put it in a co pilot and
Speaker 2: be like, uh yeah, let me give me a three
Speaker 2: acts structured romance.
Speaker 4: This is what I'm gonna put in Haberman Trump love murder.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do it.
Speaker 4: Hand had gliding.
Speaker 2: See here you go. Hang gliding is what was gonna
Speaker 2: be my next suggestion. Yeah, like whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Skuy's limit. Let Ai figure it out. The sky is
Speaker 2: the limit with hang gliding. And speaking of limited consequences,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reports about how Trump's like violated
Speaker 2: his gag order like at least ten times in the
Speaker 2: last month, and like prosecutors like, oh, are you gonna
Speaker 2: fucking do it is a contemptive cord of a fucking
Speaker 2: real thing. It doesn't seem like it is. So that's
Speaker 2: a big shock.
Speaker 4: Turns out gag orders are suggestions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, merely like yeah, like traffic signals and like yeah.
Speaker 2: But then also his polling number numbers continue to tread
Speaker 2: downward with independence, but we're still seven months out, so
Speaker 2: we'll see what's happening. Uh, there's that. But the real
Speaker 2: fun part is Jesse Waters recently he had to cope
Speaker 2: hard with the fact that Trump just looks so withered
Speaker 2: in court, like and there's all this talk about he's
Speaker 2: gonna be fucking in charge of that courtroom, and he's
Speaker 2: just been like tiny, little sleepy like rip van winkled
Speaker 2: in the courtroom. So you know, Jesse Waters, with his
Speaker 2: gigantic brain, was like, I actually have a counterpoint as
Speaker 2: to why Donald Trump like fucking shouldn't be having to
Speaker 2: stand trial. And here it is, and but the guy
Speaker 2: needs exercise.
Speaker 9: He's usually golfing, and so you're gonna put a man
Speaker 9: who's almost steady sitting in a room like this on
Speaker 9: his butt for all that time. It's not healthy.
Speaker 2: You know how big of a health nut I am.
Speaker 9: He needs sunlight, and he needs activity.
Speaker 2: He needs to be walking around, he needs action.
Speaker 9: It's really cruel and unusual punishment to make a man
Speaker 9: do that, And anytime he moves, they threaten to throw
Speaker 9: him in prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool and unusual punishment is making being unhoused a crime?
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's that's cool if we're talking about the
Speaker 2: Eighth Amendment here. But I get it. But I guess
Speaker 2: Trump is too old then, is what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to be sitting there.
Speaker 1: They're trying the like I had. I had this thought
Speaker 1: when the reports first started coming in that he kept
Speaker 1: like falling asleep and farting up the courtroom, that like
Speaker 1: he might be trying to project an air of incompetence,
Speaker 1: like like the legal sense of incompetence, like incompetence stand
Speaker 1: trial sort of thing, because that's an old mafia tactic.
Speaker 1: Trump is trained in the like mafia, you know, art
Speaker 1: of doing battle from you know, his early days, and
Speaker 1: like that's that's what the mafia would always do whenever
Speaker 1: like a a capo or a don would like stand trial.
Speaker 1: They would frequently be like, oh, yeah, he's lost his marbles.
Speaker 2: Lingering. I think it's a legal term.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that was Uncle June did that in sopranos, Yeah,
Speaker 1: junior cororado soprano robe.
Speaker 4: There's a famous one. I think it was Vincent Gigante
Speaker 4: or used to wear the bathrobe. This is mob fact ship.
Speaker 2: Remember we talked about mobat like New York mob footage
Speaker 2: YouTube to watch most.
Speaker 4: Of my fucking I'm watching footage of fucking mobsters faking
Speaker 4: be insane on the streets of New York in the
Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, grainy footage.
Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, I know malingering when I see it.
Speaker 4: I see more coppos. I've seen more coppos and worn
Speaker 4: out robes shuffling down the street.
Speaker 2: And I see more coppos than a guitar shop. I
Speaker 2: guess you call that's for my music heads out there.
Speaker 2: But like, I guess it is funny because like truly
Speaker 2: to fit the standard of like incompetency to stand trial,
Speaker 2: you have to show mental like you're mentally incompetent to
Speaker 2: mentally competent to stand trial. But It's like, are they
Speaker 2: trying to thread the most elegant needle, Like too incompetent
Speaker 2: to stand trial, but competent enough to be the most
Speaker 2: powerful person on earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird, weird line to try and draw where you like,
Speaker 1: this guy just needs to be out running around like
Speaker 1: a golden retriever. He needs sunlight and like a yard
Speaker 1: that he can run around.
Speaker 2: He need golf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or he's waters Man. Jesse Waters went to Trinity too,
Speaker 4: by the way, Trinity College in Hartford where I went,
Speaker 4: and so did Tucker Carlson classmates. They turn out a
Speaker 4: diverse group.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, what a fucking combo. Tucker Carlson, Jesse
Speaker 2: Waters crofton.
Speaker 4: Tucker was my classmate and I knew Tucker in college. Wow,
Speaker 4: that's true. I've told you that before. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 4: but I never do Jesse Waters even much younger, but
Speaker 4: but same, you know, I mean, I just think colleges,
Speaker 4: I don't know, they should.
Speaker 2: Have you tell us you were Tucker Carlson's classmate, like
Speaker 2: you must have been in passing. Yeah, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 2: told you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I knew him to say hi.
Speaker 4: He was not like super well known on campus or anything.
Speaker 4: He was just seemed like an average rich kid, you know,
Speaker 4: like most of the kids who went to Trinity were
Speaker 4: We're like people who are just stopping off at college
Speaker 4: because it was the next step to whatever job their
Speaker 4: dad had sort of set up for him. I ended
Speaker 4: up there because my college counselor was just like, you
Speaker 4: got the this is the best school you got into.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I was just eighteen and drunk
Speaker 4: and I didn't know. So I was like, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: go yeah, you know. And then I went there and
Speaker 4: I was like, what is this? You know, wasn't we
Speaker 4: rowing boats?
Speaker 2: About boat?
Speaker 4: What was the main thing you have to do before
Speaker 4: you get rich is row boats?
Speaker 2: Around it? What is kind of weird? Yeah? On board?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean that's really the weird culture of
Speaker 4: the rich people, you know, where you have to go
Speaker 4: to college and smoke pot and row boats and then
Speaker 4: you get to get your dad's job and then you
Speaker 4: just go you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, manual labor at leisure activity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just weird. Anyway, it's a weird culture. And
Speaker 4: Tucker was just another He had a signet ring. I remember.
Speaker 2: He just looked like the rich.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like all those kids had gold rings with their
Speaker 4: initials on them. I just remember that was something that
Speaker 4: I didn't have, you know, so I noticed, you noticed.
Speaker 4: It was fun to be there because I got all
Speaker 4: this anger, you know that I kept with me, you know,
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. And that's where it
Speaker 4: fed into you know, Fugazi and all the things I love,
Speaker 4: like ended up being like things I got sort of
Speaker 4: channeled too because I had to try and be a
Speaker 4: punk rocker at Trinity College, which is like completely insane.
Speaker 4: That's like not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed
Speaker 4: to go to art school where there's other punk rockers.
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to try to be a punk rocker
Speaker 4: at Trinity College.
Speaker 2: But that's what I did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it makes no sense, Like, you know, what
Speaker 4: are you doing here? You know, I'm like, I'm doing
Speaker 4: my I'm taking it down from the inside. I'm taking
Speaker 4: it down from the inside place else to go.
Speaker 2: You're paying, but you're paying for it.
Speaker 4: You know, because my dad just gave me. Anyway, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew Tucker in college.
Speaker 4: He was a jerk. He I found out from other
Speaker 4: people who knew him better that he was racist. Then
Speaker 4: his dad used to send him John Birch Society stuff
Speaker 4: in the mail, which he would read that, which he
Speaker 4: would read aloud in his dorm room. So I look
Speaker 4: at all these kids as abused children. Really, I mean
Speaker 4: you look at kids. But you know, Tucker Carlson's a kid.
Speaker 4: All these people are stuff in there. Whatever their parents
Speaker 4: told them.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the story about it. Like you heard
Speaker 2: about his mother like leaving him at Ay. She was
Speaker 2: like a liberal, Yes, she went off to be like
Speaker 2: a hippies. He hates hippies and stuff. What a what
Speaker 2: a moron?
Speaker 4: I mean, like he's like, I hate hippies, Like, come on, really.
Speaker 2: Because you're actually the one who fucked my mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's embarrassing, man.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like, did you get over that? Like
Speaker 4: I'm gonna avenge my whole life trying to avenge my
Speaker 4: mother's honor against the hippies.
Speaker 2: Me, Okay, why don't you.
Speaker 4: Just fucking settle down?
Speaker 2: What about that? Yeah? Settling the fuck down?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Anyway, So yeah that that Uh Jesse Waters. I
Speaker 4: just think those those institutions like Harvard that turn out
Speaker 4: like Tom Cotton and stuff, where why are considered the
Speaker 4: best institutions you know, Trinity is considered this great school
Speaker 4: and it's just this diploma mill for.
Speaker 2: Scumbags, which I just had. It just has cultural momentum
Speaker 2: for being like finishing schools for the elite. And then
Speaker 2: from there we're like, that's the that's what we were
Speaker 2: trying to aspire to. That's a good one. The US
Speaker 2: News on World Reports, So that's a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're turning out fucking people like Jesse Waters
Speaker 4: and Carlson, you know, you might want to look into
Speaker 4: like what your culture is. But of course there's no
Speaker 4: I mean that.
Speaker 1: Would actually be good, like if somebody actually released a
Speaker 1: second magazine that was like US News and World Reports,
Speaker 1: like college rankings, but you actually looked at the shitheads
Speaker 1: that they had turned out, like actually helped them for
Speaker 1: like the worst people who they actually Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Harvard would be a fucking disaster, like the some of
Speaker 1: the people that Harvard's put out there.
Speaker 4: That's a good behind the Bastards episode, Yeah, like the
Speaker 4: worst of Harbor, the worst of biggest Bastards, biggest. Yeah, control,
Speaker 4: we could do a magazine. We could do a magazine, Jack,
Speaker 4: if you want to put up the money, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Us I mean in my work, blaw.
Speaker 4: The world, I'll be in charge of the editorial stuff.
Speaker 4: You just give me money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In my experience, magazines are a great investment that never go.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're coming back, just like vinyl.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeahh coming back vinyl.
Speaker 4: Really magazines not so much.
Speaker 2: All right, should we talk about the Voyager? I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the Voyager? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a nice small victory for us probe heads.
Speaker 1: So the Voyager, just for our younger listeners, launched in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, became the first human made object to
Speaker 1: venture into interspellar space. Decades later, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: realized how rare it is for anything to come from
Speaker 1: or go into interstellar interstellar space. Like, you know, we
Speaker 1: have our Solar System. That's where basically everything that we
Speaker 1: have observed up close has come from. Like it's that
Speaker 1: there's there was that big deal about Muamua recently because
Speaker 1: it was one of the first interstellar if not the
Speaker 1: first interstellar objects, like something that came from outside of
Speaker 1: our Solar System that we actually observed.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that things really cool. It was just it was
Speaker 1: going so fast. They were like, wait that can't have
Speaker 1: come from inside our Solar system. It's like flying from
Speaker 1: from outside. What was happening? Take me with you still
Speaker 1: haven't given a great explanation on that, But anyways, we
Speaker 1: sent a spaceship in nineteen seventy seven that has done
Speaker 1: the opposite, has left our solar system, has traveled into
Speaker 1: interstellar space. And it's not just a probe designed to
Speaker 1: relay scientific information. It also contains like a basically like
Speaker 1: a mixtape for aliens, like it's actually a gold plated record,
Speaker 1: and the tracks include everything from an Australian Aboriginal song
Speaker 1: to Chuck Berry to someone named a work by somebody
Speaker 1: named Johnny Bagpipes, I Believe No, I'm Sorry, to Bamboo Flutes,
Speaker 1: to Bach Beethoven, Chuck Berry. And it holds also a
Speaker 1: three paragraph letter written by Jimmy Carter, who relayed our
Speaker 1: desire to join a community of galactic civilizations, which seems
Speaker 1: like kind of I don't know, quaint, I like you.
Speaker 4: Like the stuff.
Speaker 2: Some of it's dated, you know, like ary a rotary phone.
Speaker 1: Right, and a community of galactic civilizations makes more sense
Speaker 1: when you realize that they launched it three weeks after
Speaker 1: Star Wars came out.
Speaker 2: President Jimmy Carter made the with you yeah where It'll
Speaker 2: get shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But so Voyager one launch, Voyager two launch
Speaker 1: soon after. Pretty massive undertaking when you realize that, like
Speaker 1: the computer that is on board that is like controlling
Speaker 1: all of this stuff sending the information back to us
Speaker 1: has like far less computing power than like a modern
Speaker 1: day keyfob for like a car like that. That is
Speaker 1: the level of computational firepower that is on this thing.
Speaker 1: And it's still out beyond the edges of our solar system,
Speaker 1: still transmitting back to us. But basically last year it
Speaker 1: stopped speaking coherently, and NASA was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like it seems like it just had like a stroke
Speaker 1: of some sort, because it's like it's ending back utter gibberish,
Speaker 1: alternating ones and zeros instead of binary code.
Speaker 2: I remember that when that first came out, the conspiracies
Speaker 2: around it were like, it's happening, dude. Someone someone got
Speaker 2: ahold of the Voyager and got a hold of.
Speaker 1: The Voyager and they're like texting us.
Speaker 2: They're trying to tell but they don't know binary so
Speaker 2: they look so dumb.
Speaker 1: Right now, They're like this album sucks, that's what they're
Speaker 1: messaging back to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but say your theory, you got a theory. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was actually good.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize other people I thought that I was.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that.
Speaker 1: Like it's just got intercepted by aliens and they're just
Speaker 1: like trying to text us.
Speaker 2: They're yeah, they're like, yeah, what does this think that
Speaker 2: button do? Yeah? Rightways, they figured it out.
Speaker 1: It was like some corruption of the computer's memory, so
Speaker 1: they fixed it.
Speaker 2: They actually like fixed.
Speaker 1: A forty something forty seven year old computer that is
Speaker 1: around fifteen billion miles away and like decorrupted the memory,
Speaker 1: and now it is once again sending messages back that
Speaker 1: take twenty two point five hours to even reach us
Speaker 1: because they're so far away.
Speaker 2: That's got to be a great gig, huh to take
Speaker 2: a day to get there. So what I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go sleep in my car in the parking lot,
Speaker 2: if that's cool, right way, when the signal comes back,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm actually go home, yef. You know, it's
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half hours.
Speaker 1: Things, it is going to stop. It's going to reach
Speaker 1: its limit to be able to communicate back to Earth.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, so we're we're at the end
Speaker 1: of its lifespan because basically the power source that is
Speaker 1: steering the satellite, you know, the thing that is communicating
Speaker 1: back and forth to us, like the thing that's required
Speaker 1: to point their communication dishes towards Earth will lose its power.
Speaker 4: I think you're referring to the gas engine. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 4: I mean nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's engines should have letted gas probably would have
Speaker 2: gone under. But there's this.
Speaker 1: Guardian article about this. This just points out that like
Speaker 1: they will outlive the Pyramids, they'll probably outlive us. They'll
Speaker 1: probably outlive the planet Earth and will be the only
Speaker 1: record of our existence. I mean, assuming that we don't
Speaker 1: launch a bunch more of these.
Speaker 2: But yeah, shouldn't we update that? Like I get like,
Speaker 2: shout out Carl Sagan for putting that together. What is
Speaker 2: the return on investment? Though, Miles, that is the question, right.
Speaker 2: I feel like the people of the outer and other
Speaker 2: intergalactic communities should at least know about I think you
Speaker 2: should leave, you know, on some rights that we've had
Speaker 2: on this planet too. It's just we also have fun too.
Speaker 2: It's not just music. You know, we do. We do
Speaker 2: dumb shit too.
Speaker 1: It does feel like, yeah, the the amount that you
Speaker 1: were able to fit onto a gold plated record is
Speaker 1: not right, probably not enough for people, like we probably
Speaker 1: need to do another into these.
Speaker 4: We need to do updates, and that should be at
Speaker 4: the same place where you can get a fucking cat scan. Yes,
Speaker 4: we should send a small test and a goddamn whatever
Speaker 4: Space updates, right, send new Space probes with your music
Speaker 4: in them. And then you don't really send them though,
Speaker 4: because you just can't. You obviously can't. But you take
Speaker 4: people's money and you take their music, and then you you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: Put it in the dumpster out back and say you
Speaker 4: launched it.
Speaker 2: Send your album, yeah, your demo, yeah you can, but
Speaker 2: you're also the recording facility too. We also can record
Speaker 2: the demo here too. Man.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we do all that.
Speaker 2: We do it all, man, I got back end, I
Speaker 2: got it all. May don't even need an instrument, man,
Speaker 2: just hop in the booth, just get it out, man,
Speaker 2: I'll send it right up to space.
Speaker 4: Man, aliens are gonna love your demos.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like a hard drive that is
Speaker 2: like just traveling into deep intergalactic space and you can
Speaker 2: like upload people's albums onto it be like upload your
Speaker 2: album to eternity. Yeah, you would have Jason signed.
Speaker 4: You didn't know that, right, Just put me the genre
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 2: It's called krung step. Yeah it's krungbin but you want
Speaker 2: to Yeah, you got it all? All right, that's gonna
Speaker 2: do it.
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