1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So, 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. All right, Miles, 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined by one of the 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: hosts of the incredible podcast five four, a show about 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: all the ways the Supreme Court is a complete disaster. 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: It's also a supervising attorney at Texas Law has worked 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: as a public defender in Rio Grande City, Texas. Please 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Rihann and hm On. Hello. 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: Am I gonna do like a little jingle for myself? 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: You got one? Yeah, I'm here. 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: You're great, hot girl summer coming up? 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right predicted here here here. My 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: shoulders started moving a little. Yeah. I was like ship, Yeah, 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm feeling that one. What's your what's your the thing? 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: I always ask people and they're like, should I sing it? Like, 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: what's your karaoke go to? 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: Oh? 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: I do have? 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: The go to karaoke is always TLC no scrubs. 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Shit. 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: You start there right like you can. The sky's the limit. 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: After that, yeah, but once you get going on that, 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: the vibes are going on that, your power is sort 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: of centered in a no scrubs direction. Yeah, karaoke is boundless. 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: And that's brave because karaoke bars are usually full of 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: so many scrubs. I can't imagine that's very popular. Yeah, 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, they're like they start booing and hissing. 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Talking about me, but I'm grub. I do think I'm 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: fine and people. I'm also known to be a bust. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: No no, sometimes I hang out the passenger side of 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: my best friend. 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Ride fully hanging out the passenger side of my best 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: friends the whole time. 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: I just did get in the car and I'm hanging 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: out the whole time. I had a friend who and 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: then when the first song first came out, they could 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: have swore they were saying, it's also known as a 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: bus stop. I was like, you need to hang out 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: around different people. That's like a that sounds like a 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: Joe Biden slang, like yeah, yeah, the bus stop. Yeah, 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: he's one of he's scrubs. He's also known as a 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: bus stop. 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: Corn Pop was always hanging around the bus stop. 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm serious. He was a cannibal and I'm serious, man, 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm serious. 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: Man. 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: No, we know you think you're serious. 51 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: Rather, no, you're not a serious person in your brain, 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: you're serious. 53 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that was what I mean. Is 54 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean what I'm saying. Yeah, No, we know, we know, 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: we wish you didn't. But yeah, because your ice cream 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: is melting all over your suit, sir, it's just really 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: unseemly out his ice cream. To imagine, I feel like 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: that would do a lot of damage to his campaigns, 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: Just sloppy melted ice cream all over his suit. People 60 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: be like, oh, you know what, that was it for 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: me somehow. 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: I think that's how they They need that damage on 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: top of like genocide or yeah, oh okay, okay, okay, 64 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: So the ice cream is gonna yeah, he'll. 65 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: Do yeah, maybe he'll do that to distract from his 66 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: lack of action there. And he's like, but I got 67 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: his ice cream all over Oh most sloppy for me. 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: But secretly I'm really mad at BB really secretly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: of course, what is something from your search history? 70 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna do change it up. I'm going to 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 4: tell you what something something real. I'm gonna tell you 72 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: something like well, not real. But you know, I'm not 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: going to tell you about like a Humans documentary or 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 4: come on, but you know we should still check that out. 75 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: But I've been googling pulmonary nodule ever since I broke 76 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: my shoulder in January. I broke my shoulder in January 77 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: and the ice and then when they x rayed, they 78 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: found well, they thought it was a bruise on my 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: from like when I hit the steps. I slipped on 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: my front steps and one one stare broke my rib 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: and the other stare broke my shoulder. And when I 82 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: when they did the x ray, you know, so I 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: was like, the doctor gave me morphine and he said, 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: you don't need surgery. And then he asked me why 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 4: I was in a good mood. I think I've been 86 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: through through this with you guys. 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: But he asked me why I was such a He said, you, 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 4: I don't understand your affect. Yeah, he was like, you 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: seem too happy. 91 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: AI powered medical bot. I do not understand your because 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: you were on morphine. 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: That's what I told him. I said, well, you gave 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: me morphine and also just this isn't like I broke 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 4: my hip in twenty eighteen, and that was fucking So 96 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: this is not a broken hips. I'm already like in 97 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: a decent like I'm walking around, you know, my arm's 98 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: in a sling, but who cares compared to that anyway. 99 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: So then he's like, oh yeah, and by the way, 100 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: we found this pulmonary nodule. And then all of a 101 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: sudden everything went you know, I was like, oh God, 102 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: what the hell's that? You know, you hear pulmonary. You 103 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: don't have pulmonary ever, you don't want to hear pulmonary. Yeah, 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: So then like he was like, oh, well, they're normally 105 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: you know, they might be might be nothing. You have 106 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: a thirteen millimeter pulmonary nodule. It's just like a little 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: growth in your lung and you should have it checked. 108 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 4: So then I was like spun out for like a 109 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: couple of days. And then yeah, but I couldn't get 110 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: an appointment with a pomonologist until well, at first they 111 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 4: offered May, so I was like, well, and then they 112 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: found a person who could see me in March, so 113 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: that still gave me a couple months. 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: So I just sort of like spin out. 115 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I did forget about it eventually because I 116 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: googled it, and it was like most pulmonary nogeles eighty 117 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 4: five percent of them or nothing scar tissue from previous 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 4: illnesses or whatever it is, but you usually non malignant, 119 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: but they prefer to be the non malignant ones, like 120 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 4: you're looking at hopefully five millimeters eight millimeters. Thirteen was 121 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: a little big, but still it was like, most of 122 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 4: these are nothing. So I kind of put it out 123 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: of my mind because it was a couple months, and 124 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: I really did, which is a testament to like fucking 125 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: therapy and zoloft, because it was the old days, was 126 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: when I was younger, before I addressed my real anxiety 127 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: that or I don't know anyway, I would have worried 128 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: down stopper those whole two months. So the fact that 129 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: I was even able to go back to my regular 130 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: life was was was kind of nice. And then and 131 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 4: then when I went to get it, I got went 132 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: to the doctor. They did, they did. He said, yeah, 133 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: you have a thirteen million millimeters thing, and we gotta look, 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: we gotta look at it, you know, cause it's kind 135 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: of big. You know, it's not you know, it's not huge, 136 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 4: but he's like, we gotta look at it, So you're 137 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 4: gonna do a pet scan. So a pet scan is 138 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 4: like you you know, it's a cancer. Generally, it's a 139 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: cancer test to see if like sort of nodules and 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 4: things are active. Like you want it to be dead, 141 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: you want it to be scar tish, you want you 142 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 4: want it to be not active, right right. 143 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: So I so I go. 144 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: And get the pet scan and they put die in 145 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: your arm and stuff, and I don't mind that stuff 146 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: because like I wasn't parented properly. So like when I 147 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 4: went the doctor, I feel like I'm finally like getting something. 148 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: I really actually really yes, I really do, I really do. 149 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: You guys are laughing. That's too hard to laugh. 150 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Laugh that hard at that. 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: Dude. 152 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: We were just talking before. I was like, you're gonna 153 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: fucking say some bummer ship. 154 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: But I let into this Miles Miles Miles, like I 155 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: was telling Miles beforehand. Yeah, this has been quite a 156 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: couple of months for me. It really has. It's been. 157 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: It's been the worst few months of my life. But 158 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: I'm so happy now though. I mean, I got through it. 159 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: And so then they did the scan and then they're like, 160 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: all it's You're all clear. 161 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: It's no no, no, no, no no, that's why I'm 162 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: going through the going through the scary version. So I 163 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: go to get the pet scan and I feel great 164 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: because I like people like touching me and stuff, you know, 165 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: like putting things in my. 166 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Arms to like I will get a haircut just to 167 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: have somebody touch. 168 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels good. It's something. There's something really wrong 169 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: about that. Miles looks like he was parented correctly. 170 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: That's fucking squinting and really. 171 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: Yu, this one I was never in to. I didn't 172 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: know Jack, I would be more. I would be so 173 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: much more affectionate with you in person. Man, you know 174 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: I love Give me a little between the shoulder blades, 175 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: r a little because every time every time I hug 176 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: jack he he releases the hug first. That's how I know. 177 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: Say I release a black dye, forms a cloud around. 178 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: Man, then I that I'm blinded moments that I retreat. 179 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Every time I hug Jackie at least a cloud of black. Guy, 180 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: are you breaking into aquariums again? That's what it is, 181 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: all right? 182 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: Sorry, That's like an Irish person hugging an Irish person 183 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: like they've never been touched till they went. 184 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: To the freeze you go to the barber. 185 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, the first time you ever touched, you go to 186 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: the barber. I went to a barber once. You were 187 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: going to a barber where they give you the whole 188 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: treatment with the hot towel and everything. Yeah, and then 189 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 4: like an Irish guy doesn't know what to do. You know, 190 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 4: I'm like, am I supposed to be able to moan? 191 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Am I supposed to go birls in love with me? 192 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 193 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, daddy, here this fool goes again. He's probably 194 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: go to the barber and be like, Yo, this barber 195 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: is down to fucking go out with me. I'm pretty 196 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: sure barber's down to fuck. BARBERA said, I was different 197 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: than the other customers that come here. 198 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: Every name barber's down to funck, but I never come. 199 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: I was talking to Miles before this or just about 200 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 4: a time on the show. And let's clarify one thing. 201 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: I come on pet scans anyway. 202 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: So I got back to back to bet scans. So 203 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: I got I got the results sent to me in 204 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: a portal. Yeah, right before the doctor looked at him. 205 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 4: So I look at the portal. 206 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: And I've got the labs. But I'm not a doctor. 207 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: So I'm like, well, they must not. They wouldn't send 208 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: them to me if they're bad, Like, they wouldn't send 209 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: me bad news for me to look at before the doctor, 210 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: would they. 211 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah they would. 212 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 4: So it says active, it says activity, it says concerning, 213 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: it says all this, all this horrible stuff. 214 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: So that's when I'm like, oh my god. 215 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: Then the doctor calls me the next day and he's like, yeah, 216 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: there's the two things lit up. The nodule lit up, 217 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: and the and the and the lymph node nearby lit up. 218 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, I'm dead, you know. But he 219 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: was like, this is not necessarily cancer. He's like it, 220 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: cancer is one of the things it could be, but 221 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: there's a lot of other things it could be. But 222 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: we're gonna do a broncoscaby. So two weeks ago, two 223 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: days before I was on the show, I had the broncoscopy, 224 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: and the reason I was in a good enough movie. 225 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: The day Blake episode days before Chris. 226 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: But I got I had just gotten good news in 227 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: the sense that they did the broncoscopy, which is a 228 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: big deal. They I full anesthesia in debated needle down 229 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 4: the throat with a camera to take it. He took 230 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 4: a biopsy of the of the lymph node and the 231 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: and the nodule. And then but then when I was 232 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 4: in recovery, the doctor said, like right after I woke up, 233 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: the doctor comes in and gives you talks to you, 234 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: which is insane by itself because I'm like, I don't 235 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: know what he said. Yeah, so he's like, he said, 236 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: your lungs look fine. He's like, they look good because 237 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: I told him he used to smoke a lot. It's 238 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: like they looked really fine, he said. And what I 239 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 4: saw did not look like did not look like cancer 240 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: to me. And then everyone said, oh, if that's if 241 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 4: they said that, that means that it's it's probably not 242 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 4: because they would not say that. They're like doctors don't 243 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: say so I felt much better and that's why I 244 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: was able to do the show. And then and then 245 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 4: and then on Monday, they called me last last Monday, 246 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: so like whatever it was, though what days today, I 247 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 4: don't even know he's there or. 248 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: Whatever it was day last Monday. 249 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, So like that day I got a call and 250 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 4: they said, you don't have cancer, fud, and they said 251 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: I didn't need anything. They said, what you have is histoplasmosis, 252 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 4: which then I googled that. So first I've been googling 253 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: pulmonary nodule over and over and watching YouTube videos about 254 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: pulmonary nodics, which turns out there's shit tons of them. 255 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and you're gonna find them and watch 256 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: all of them. And I'm sure that didn't help it. 257 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's all I watched. 258 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: I went from abandoned minds the pulmonary nodules in a 259 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: flash and uh and then and then I went to uh, yeah, histoplasmosis, 260 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: which is something from a like the environment, like an 261 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: allergen that turns into a little infection. And they said, 262 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: you don't need to do anything. But then I got 263 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 4: so I went from thinking I had cancer to nothing, like, 264 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 4: you don't need to do anything, you're fine, and then 265 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: I just like went kind of felt kind of insane. Yeah, man, anyway, 266 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: so I'm all, I'm all better, And just to say, 267 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 4: like if you do get if you're over fifty and uh, 268 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: god forbid. 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: And you and I wouldn't. 270 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, you know, and I'm a hair over fifty. 271 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, fifty five, but you know that's 272 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: that's a hair that's a little rounding day, a couple 273 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: of hairs. 274 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that far them, and then uh, you 275 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: should probably get a cat an X ray or cat scan. 276 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 4: You're supposed to get a cat scan every year. No 277 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: one knows that ship and no one will do it. 278 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: But if you used to smoke, the thing is, this 279 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: is the way they find lung cancer. So I would 280 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: have been lucky, right, because lungs don't have nerve ending 281 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: in them. I did not know that. So when you 282 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: get lung cancer, the reason they find it's usually stage 283 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: four is because that's when you start to feel affecting thing, 284 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 4: you can't breathe, whatever, that stuff. But the most lung 285 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: cancer they catch early is through these other events like 286 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: breaking your shoulders. So you know, no one's just just 287 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 4: in general, like if you're over fifty and you used 288 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: to smoke a lot, you might want to get an 289 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: occasional cat scan, which, of course, you know, if you 290 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 4: have an extra couple thousand bucks. 291 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just have. I actually have a built 292 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: in one, so I'll just start doing doing them more often. 293 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: We need to do home cat skis. These things do 294 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: not look like complicated. My brother said, you look at 295 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: those machines. He's like, you know they're paid for. 296 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: Have you seen I just saw a video recently of 297 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: one that was outside of like it's shielding firing up, 298 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: and you're really, oh my god. 299 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: Then it's like a transformer, like transforming in a Michael 300 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Bay film. 301 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: And once it that shit really starts like rotating, You're like, yeah, 302 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: holy shit, dude, this thing has like the power to move. 303 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: Oh so it's worth the money. I mean yeah, I 304 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: mean you're making money on this thing. 305 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 4: I looked at it when I was in there, and 306 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 4: you know, of course when you're in there, they're like, 307 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: we're just going to do one more cat scan and 308 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, but uh, you know, like are you sure, 309 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: like how much? You know, how much does it cost? 310 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 4: They should have a thing like on a gas you know, 311 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: on a gas thing where you can see the money. 312 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: The money going up right every rotation. 313 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: You're not giving me another cat's skin. 314 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: I don't care what I got. 315 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: There was a when I went to the Kentucky Derby 316 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: one time, there was a house just like a private 317 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: house that had an ATM machine in its yard by 318 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: like right by the thing. 319 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: And I've always that changed the way I like thought. 320 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: I was like, what if like you could just like 321 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: open a private shop like or a private like atm 322 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: whatever you wanted, Like, what if you could just have 323 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: a cat scan at your house? That Like people were like, oh, yeah, 324 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: you go buy this dude's house and get your get 325 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: your lungs check. 326 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he's he's not a text so he 327 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: can't make sense of it, but he will send it 328 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: to a doctor to you, Yeah, in a portal, and you. 329 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: Can look at it. 330 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: It's in his backyard. Is look at this thing, fucking 331 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: go This is a cat scan machine firing up like uncovered. 332 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 333 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like barely getting fired up. 334 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: Now what does it look like? Jack? 335 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: It looks like the large hay drunk collider, Like I 336 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: what I imagine the large hay drunk collider. 337 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: Looks like the inside is completely full of clock radios. 338 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a window a window ac unit or something. 339 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they put a bunch of decommissioned clock radios in. 340 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: A yeah, translucent corded telephones that think. 341 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: Doesn't it does? Yes, it's not. It doesn't look that complicated. 342 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: But we're surrounded by technological miracles and we're just like could. 343 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: You make it quieter? It's too loud. Jack kind of 344 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: annoying to me. 345 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 4: Jack O'Brien's smog tests, cat scans. 346 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: And at M he's made and legal services and in 347 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: legal service. 348 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that there is that one service the 349 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: people who like witness you sign a document, the notary 350 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: public like that one is just like a dude who 351 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: walks around with some papers and like pulls up to 352 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: your house, you know. So like I feel like, yeah, 353 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: I feel like we should have more of that stuff. Yeah, 354 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: that's a great bullshit job. 355 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: Fucking notaries. 356 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they make good money those ship. 357 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, fuck those guys. 358 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's take a quick break. 359 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: And I wonder how how often they're just asked repeating people, Oh, 360 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: you think you're better than me, Well, because you sign 361 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: this in front of you, it means something. 362 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 4: Or are they all drunk and parties? And like people 363 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: are like can you notarize this? And they're like, I'm 364 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: not really supposed to. 365 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: The notaries, Like, I mean, to be fair, without my stamp, 366 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: this isn't going to be an authenticated legal document. Go, oh, 367 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: it's you're a tough guy. We got them real drunk. Oh, 368 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: but to chalk you out, choke out the notary. What 369 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: is something you think is underrated? 370 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 5: I'm going to say Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Oh yeah, 371 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys are familiar. It sounds like, 372 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: oh yeah, celebrating network. Yeah yeah, it's celebrating its thirtieth 373 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: birthday at the moment. And this is the show that 374 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 5: like launched our adult swim Like this is the thing. 375 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 376 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 5: So I've loved the Space Ghost Like I stumbled on 377 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 5: it when I was probably about fourteen years old coming 378 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 5: home from a party kind of drunk and just turned 379 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 5: on Cashing Network at. 380 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: Like one in the morning. Damn, you were told you 381 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: were fourteen coming home from a party drunk, and just 382 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: like that sounds like some twenty eight year old behavior. 383 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 4: We build them different in New Zealand. 384 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: We got it, we started. I'm not proud of that, 385 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: but I'm also not going to lie to you guys. Yeah, yeah, 386 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, just got in the coal mine. Yeah, 387 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: just yeah, exactly. Yeah. 388 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 5: So I'm punching through a pack of Lucky Strike and 389 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: I flick on the TV and there's this crazy cartoon 390 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 5: and it's like, if you haven't seen it before, it's 391 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 5: a chat show hosted by this nineteen sixties cartoon hero 392 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: which is really quite badly drawn, but they punch in 393 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 5: the guest and the guest is filmed on camera, so 394 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 5: the guest isn't animated, and they had like really famous guests. 395 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 5: So they're doing a big replay live stream at the moment, 396 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 5: which is probably still going on YouTube to sort of 397 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: celebrate the thirtieth year, like Conan's on it. 398 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: Tom York's in an episode. Oh wow, York. Wow. 399 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: This is like real heavy hitters, and the show is 400 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 5: it's just like built for stoners, Like the writing is crazy. 401 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 5: And it was the first kind of thing I saw 402 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 5: as a teenager where I was like, oh man, this 403 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 5: is this is my shit. Like I didn't know that 404 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 5: I was supposed to smoke weed until I saw Space. 405 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: Coaster, you know what I mean. 406 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: It sort of like went that way around. 407 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 5: It was like, oh, this comedy is so great that 408 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 5: I should start smoking marijuana, which I didn't until much later. 409 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 5: I will say, don't touch that stuff if you're if 410 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 5: you're under like twenty, I gotta say that, right, thank 411 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 5: you drink when you're fourteen, but not yes, of course. 412 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: And then also I feel like I feel like the 413 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: first appearance of like Aquatine Hunger Force was also on 414 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: Space Ghost. That's right. There was a lot of ship. Yeah, 415 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: a lot of ship comes from the tree of Space Ghost. 416 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah for me. And then I like then I was 417 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: like I was all in on Aquatine too, and I 418 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: was like, this shit is fucking yeah. I just love 419 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: that absurd. 420 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 5: Master Shape was a totally different character and that in 421 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 5: that vision in the Christmas episode is like some kind 422 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 5: of whiny white dude. And then and I'm glad that 423 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 5: they kind of like changed the dynamic, but yeah, what's 424 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 5: the same? 425 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: Oh? 426 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 6: Wait is that right? 427 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: No? 428 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 6: Sorry, fry Lock Flock's different. Fry Lock's different and had legs. 429 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 6: I feel like visually in much like it's the Supreme Court. 430 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 6: I'm actually an originalist, so I think that no characters 431 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 6: should ever change. I actually prefer the first episode of 432 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 6: The Simpsons. I think the animation was better back then. 433 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 6: I prefer the Tracy Omens. 434 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: Simpsons. 435 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: They looked like their faces were melting. Yeah, and Homer 436 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: was like the home on, come on boy. 437 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: We're hungry, Like, what the heck? I remember? I remember 438 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: it was so alarmed when I saw the Tracy omen 439 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: version of like those characters, and like, what is the 440 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: fuck was going on? Here? Is the Simpsons back. 441 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: I've been hearing online that, like the Simpsons is back, you. 442 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: Guys watching again? Yeah, I haven't been watching. No, I 443 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: I've I'm I'm I'm also an originalist. I'm an original 444 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: a first eight seasonist. Yeah, but I know, but I 445 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: have heard that repeatedly. Actually, people like, no, like it's 446 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: it's funny again. That's good. I mean probably in a 447 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: way that's like not disappointing. But I think I've moved 448 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: on from like my deep love of The Simpsons and 449 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: that tent. I got to come back to the Springfield Baby. 450 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe I did. 451 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 5: I had a segment and it did a comedy show 452 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 5: and then you see it on Comedy Festival like four 453 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: years ago, which actually was just me ripping off Space Ghost. 454 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 5: I did like a chat show, like a comedy chat 455 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 5: show thing. It was called Space Couch and Honor of 456 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 5: Space Ghost. 457 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: Interesting, uh huh. Yeah. 458 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 5: I wrote this whole thing where so the couch that 459 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 5: the guest would sit on was brought into space by 460 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 5: the Russians and then got blasted by cosmic radiation and 461 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 5: became sentient and I got Pauliff Tompkins to voice the 462 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 5: couch so during the show we got to like talk, 463 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 5: you know, back and forward to the couch and then 464 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 5: we're getting gist on And had a musician friend of 465 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 5: mine Disaster Radio aka Eyeliner if you're into vapor wave, 466 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: he's like the OJ He was my you know, my 467 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 5: band leader on it, and we had a segment called 468 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: let the Simpsons Die, so he I made up this 469 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 5: like video package that was just a bunch of famous 470 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 5: comedians in New Zealand going, hey, I grew up with 471 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: the Simpsons. I love the Simpsons. Simpsons means everything to me. 472 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 5: You got to pull the plug on the fucking show 473 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 5: man the good for the good of the show. You 474 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 5: gotta say die, it's gone, baby, it's gone. 475 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: Really seriously addressing the camera. 476 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, like said, piano music, my chords. 477 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: That's amazing. And you would have pulled the plug too 478 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: soon because apparently it's back. 479 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 4: Apparently it's bad. Baby. 480 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: What is something you think is overrated? 481 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 7: I think the TikTok band or I don't know if 482 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 7: it's fair to call it a band at this point, 483 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 7: because we don't really know if they're you know, going 484 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 7: to sell if my dance is gonna sell it or not, 485 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 7: and if it will continue to exist in the United States. 486 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 7: But to me, you know, that's very overrated. Like I'm seeing, 487 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 7: you know, various proponents of this band. 488 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: You know, I'll be like, well, like social media is. 489 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 7: Bad, and you know there are data privacy concerns, which 490 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 7: is true with all social media. Yeah, but like banning 491 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 7: this app specifically, you know it. To me, it seems 492 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 7: to be about two things. One which is, you know, like, oh, China, 493 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 7: that's so scary, you know, just this kind of like 494 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 7: really stupid. 495 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: You know you Yeah, but did you know that they 496 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: like beat people up for speaking out against their government's policies. 497 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, that's okay, but yeah, go on, yeah, 498 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: there's a China. 499 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 7: Do you know that they do surveillance in China that 500 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 7: they're just the government looking at your looking at your 501 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 7: private messages. It's out of control. 502 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like everybody who ends up 503 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: trying to like justify the TikTok band, like they're just 504 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: showing their ass in every single way. Like to your point, 505 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: it's like, if it's about privacy, then what about the 506 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: fucking American companies. Yeah, you know what I mean. 507 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, to me, this just seems like it's 508 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 7: like a you know, either there's like some corporate interests 509 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 7: that are you know, hoping to buy it, like. 510 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: American protect American technological hegemony, you know what I mean. 511 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: It's like this app is kicking our apps asses? Are 512 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: our countries apps? Asses? Oh yeah? Fuck? That's one version. 513 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: And then there's just like very casual way of trying 514 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: to explain away why younger people are more engaged and 515 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: outraged by what is happening in the country. I like, 516 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: it's fucking TikTok. It's not the fucking policies that we 517 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: enact that create the hellscape in which they live that's 518 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: radicalizing them. It's this fucking thing that tells you to 519 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: add more sugar to your watcher. 520 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, And you know, and I think that's 521 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 7: a lot of it too. 522 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, there's just. 523 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 7: They don't have, you know, control over whatever, like you know, 524 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 7: sense like all the social media apps do censorship to 525 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 7: to some degree, Like you know, like on TikTok, there 526 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 7: is censorship, like you can't say sex, so people that's 527 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 7: why they say segs, which is extremely annoying. It's really 528 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 7: annoying when like gen Z college students will like type 529 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 7: like segs on Twitter or something that you don't. 530 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: We don't do that here here. 531 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: I say, like grown ups, come on now. 532 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 533 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 7: But you know, there's like there's a there's different censorship 534 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 7: right like China, and like, well it's not. There's just 535 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 7: like I think it's isn't it. The CEO is like 536 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 7: he is in Singapore, right, But either way, TikTok is 537 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 7: not there. Like censorship is not based on like US 538 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 7: foreign policy interests, right, so they're not going to like 539 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 7: censor stuff just because it looks bad for the United States. 540 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: Like whereas like. 541 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 7: You know, New York Times we see you know, has 542 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 7: like you know, if policy is to you know, censor 543 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 7: the language of their journalists and reporters, to to not 544 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 7: you know, to not go. 545 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: The department line. 546 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: Ye, it was a blast. It was not an Israeli bomb. 547 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: It was a blast. The protests turned violent when the 548 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: police started becoming violent, which is always X, we're gonna 549 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: get that out of there. Just just the protests turned violent, yeah, 550 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: turned violent. 551 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's really I think it's just like 552 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: they don't. 553 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 7: Like when if I think about like the Iraq War 554 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 7: a lot, and that was you know, I think like 555 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 7: really my political awakening, Like I knew and everyone I 556 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 7: knew knew that this like weapons of mass destruction thing 557 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 7: was a lie. I felt like it was pretty obvious, 558 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 7: you know. But we you know, had the media just 559 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 7: repeating this WTMT lie again and again. And now it's 560 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 7: not like they can't really lie to us in the 561 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 7: same way a lot of the time because we can 562 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 7: see videos ourselves of what's happening. So it's more like, uh, 563 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 7: instead of lying, it's more like just gas lighting. They're like, no, 564 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 7: that's not what you saw. That's don't believe your eyes, 565 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: you know. 566 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you disagree, like we're going to hit you. 567 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason you disagree is actually just China 568 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: has infiltrated your brain. 569 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: And that's I don't even have TikTok. I just I 570 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: just saw a news clip. 571 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were people people who have TikTok told 572 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: you that. 573 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: Actually, So I'm seventies e has TikTok. Yeah, it's yeah, 574 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: it's uh, that's why it's like really interesting, Like we 575 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: talk all the time about how the sort of propaganda 576 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: playbook that the government tries to run, it's just it's 577 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: diminishing returns. At this point. It's like they're trying to 578 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: be like, that's actually not what's going on. Everyone's like 579 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: you think we're fucking dumb or somebody like this ain't 580 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: this ain't the nineties. 581 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah you were like really recently, nor could you 582 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: give us a break here? 583 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: We are used to Yeah, you guys being done dude, Yeah, 584 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: you know, seventeen year old fucking pushing back like that. 585 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: What the fuck was that? Yeah? Fucking flamed me? What 586 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: the fuck? I mean? 587 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: There's you know, there's like. 588 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 7: Uh, I mean, you know there's these like State Department 589 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 7: and White House press conferences where they come out and 590 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 7: they repeat these, you know, things that are obviously lies. 591 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 7: You know, like for example, like one thing you know 592 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 7: was that Israel is not blocking aid to Gaza, right, 593 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 7: and you know, like we can see videos of like 594 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 7: the AID trucks not being let in. 595 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: We can even. 596 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 7: See individuals saying like hey I've gone here to block 597 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: this aid. We can see every you know, un or 598 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 7: other humanitarians, you know, staff person saying like hey, we're 599 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 7: trying to get this aid in. They're not letting the 600 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 7: truck in, you know. And then they go out and 601 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 7: they like the State Department, you know, spokes for us 602 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 7: saying we'll go out and repeat like, oh, there's there's 603 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 7: no evidence that they're blocking the aid and it's like 604 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 7: they know, we know, they know, we know. So it's 605 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 7: just gaslighting. It's not even lying anymore. 606 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, and then you deal with shit boiling 607 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: over like it is now because exactly can only tell 608 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: somebody they're not seeing what they're seeing for so long, 609 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 2: and I hope that it just goes away anyway. Biden, 610 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: you're doing a great job courting the youth vote. Just 611 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: cracking skulls on campuses, yeahs, arresting professors, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 612 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: you got this. 613 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 7: Remember Biden's campaign ad, the Charlottesville one. It was like 614 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 7: about like restoring the soul of our nation or something 615 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 7: like that, you know, and it's like, how's that going, man? 616 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, I mean I think that it's the 617 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: same soul. It switches, you know, as as American capitalism 618 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: and neoliberalism will do just just we lurch more further 619 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: and further towards authoritarianism. 620 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: It's reminded me of like this more. I kept being 621 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: reminded of that time in the twenty I think it 622 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen, maybe twenty sixteen Republican primary where they. 623 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: Were like, oh, yeah, no, it would be great if 624 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: Trump won. 625 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? We're gonna fucking demolish this guy. 626 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be so easy. But like there was probably 627 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: some level of like, and if he wins, like we 628 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: can get like we become left even by being yeah, 629 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: what is currently the GOP party. Yeah, like we can 630 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: get away with so much we like take up we 631 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: get so much more ground now by like the if 632 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: he keeps going further and further to the right. So 633 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: like this morning, like as he's in from the Supreme Court, 634 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, his lawyers are arguing that he can do purge, 635 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: and you know, meanwhile, the Democratic fucking administration is just 636 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: out here pulling a Nixon administration like on on protesters. 637 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean that's what Having this uber 638 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: right wing like dictatorial regime dangling over everyone's head like 639 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: buys them. Like I do wonder if that was like 640 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: part of the calculus from the start. 641 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 7: I think that you know, it's like the Republicans are 642 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 7: just going to keep getting like more and more fascist, 643 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 7: and the Democrats can just you know, keep getting more 644 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 7: and more fascist as well, because like you know, there's 645 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 7: like this rhetoric that like the other the other guy, 646 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 7: the Republicans will be worse. Like that can be it 647 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 7: can be literally used to justify anything. Like there's no 648 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 7: limit to what it can be used to justify. 649 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: And I think we've. 650 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 7: Seen that with like the Gouse of situation is like 651 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 7: you know, you'll you'll see people like be like you know, 652 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 7: oh well, like Trump would do ten genocides and it's. 653 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: Like what the. 654 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: And in this one, I'm like to fuck up and 655 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: let Biden ignore this one? Yeah, yeah, fun to this one. 656 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 2: That's what's so wild too, because like, as I you know, 657 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: we keep hearing about you know, the the what the 658 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: what the Republican will Republicans will bring if Trump is president, 659 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: But as you look at it, I'm like, I'm you're 660 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: you're you're brutalizing peaceful protesters just like they were doing 661 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and years past every single time, And 662 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, is it the only difference going to be 663 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: It's like, well, Biden will just allow students to be 664 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: tasered and maced, and Trump would probably allow like full 665 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: blown guns like maybe a week in or something like that. Yeah, 666 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: but are we still dealing with the fact that we 667 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: are not allowing peaceful, non violent protest to happen, because 668 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: that's the crux up And yeah, I'm like, you got it. 669 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm doing a really bad job differentiating here, really bad job. 670 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: And that's on you. 671 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: Actually, that's on you in your brain diffruciating Yeah. 672 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 2: So yeah, oh so you want Trump? No, I never 673 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: I don't want Trump. No, I know, I never said, 674 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: well it sounds like you want Trump. No, I'm saying 675 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: we need to be we need to be holding ship 676 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: to a higher standard, that's what And people are fucking 677 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: up bad, That's what I'm saying. You said you want 678 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: to be holding ship. 679 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: So dude, this guy's a fun Did you hear the 680 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: studio city was a whole This guy was the whole 681 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: ship man. 682 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: No, anyways, you've done me, the media done me. Yeah, 683 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: got his ass. 684 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, let's say let's take a quick break 685 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 8: and we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back, 686 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 8: And I highly recommend everybody punk completing this. Go check 687 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 8: out the five four and specifically the Federal Society history. 688 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: It's it's. Yeah, I'm just gonna. 689 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: Keep going, it's, it's, it's and I think that communicates plenty, 690 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: but I guess so. 691 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: I always found it amazing. 692 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: Mind blowing that there was in the earliest twenty century 693 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: something called the Business Plot where a bunch of industrialists 694 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: and business people tried to recruit a US general to 695 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: overthrow FDR's government and just be like, now we're we 696 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: fucking with fascism and like we want better conditions for businesses. 697 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: And it was unsuccessful, but it was so brazen, so 698 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: out in the open, and just so like counter to whatever, 699 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: like what America is supposed to stand for. That it 700 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: just seemed like wild to me when I learned about that, 701 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: like ten fifteen years ago, and now I feel like 702 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: this the Federalist Society just was that, and they just 703 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: stuck with it and have basically succeeded in doing what 704 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: those people, like what those the uber wealthy were trying 705 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: to do in the earliest twentieth cent early twentieth century, 706 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: like even early funders of the Federalist Society were like 707 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: the melon like billionaires, you know, like that gilded like 708 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: literally Gilded Age money monsters who were probably involved in 709 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: the Business Plot got the Federalist Society off the ground, 710 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: and now we live in basically like what the Business 711 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: Plot would have liked America to look like. 712 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So the Federal Society. 713 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: I think people like listening to this, like you might 714 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 3: be familiar with, like the term. They know that the 715 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: Federal Society is an organization. Especially when Trump was president 716 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: and was making his nominations to the Supreme Court, it 717 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: like came out that Trump was saying explicitly, yeah, the 718 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 3: Federalist Society is providing me with these names, right, I got, 719 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: I got the Short Life, Amie Cony Barrett, right for 720 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 3: Amy Cony Barrett and Neil Gorsich and Brett Kavanaugh. Those 721 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 3: came to me from the Federal Society. So I think 722 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: people like have a sense of like, well, who the 723 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 3: fuck are these guys rights? 724 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: You know? 725 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, they do. 726 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: Listicles, that's right. Number three will make your heart flutter. 727 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: But what we talk about on five to four is 728 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: how the Federal Society is really kind of like the 729 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 3: judicial wing of the Republican Party. Now, the Federal society 730 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 3: as an organization, it bills itself, kind of presents itself. 731 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: They call themselves a debate club. They say they're a 732 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 3: network of conservative attorneys, judges, conservative legal academics, professors, right, 733 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: And they say that they're just there to like talk 734 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 3: about ideas, debate ideas in you know, conservative legal spaces, 735 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Bring together all kinds of conservatives 736 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 3: so we can debate, and sometimes we bring liberals in 737 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: two so that we see the other side and stuff like. 738 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: That's how they talk about themselves, right, And the Federal Society, 739 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: this organization, they have student chapters at law schools all 740 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: around the country and where in fact ostensibly kind of 741 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 3: started as a student organization at Yale and the University 742 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: of Chicago in the early eighties. 743 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: But eighties student one of those grassroots student organizations funded by. 744 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 3: Billionaires, that's right, exactly. 745 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: So they have all the best food at their meetups, 746 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 2: right right. 747 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 3: You peer behind the curtain one step and you see that, like, 748 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 3: this is not a student organization, This is not a 749 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 3: debate society. This is, like I said, this is the 750 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 3: judicial wing of the Republican Party. This is the legal 751 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 3: services provider for the Republican Party and for the conservative 752 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: legal movement. So any conservative legal mission or like goal 753 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 3: right overturning Roe v. Wade, you know, the crushing of 754 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 3: the administrative state. Federalist society lawyers, Federalist society professors, Federalist 755 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 3: society judge are all on the same page about all 756 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: of this stuff and working in this network to bring 757 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: those cases to the Supreme Court and effectuate those kind 758 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: of like conservative legal goals. Because the Republican Party has 759 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 3: realized over the past fifty years, the Republican Party has 760 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 3: realized that it's policy goals are minoritarian, they are not popular. 761 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 3: They actually wouldn't win if real democratic processes were in 762 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: place to vote on what they want. So they have 763 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 3: to use the judicial branch to reach their policy goals. 764 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're doing it to an extent, an extent 765 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: where I mean now like everyone's just like, what is 766 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: what is the Supreme Court now? I mean, I get 767 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 2: that there were ideologues in the Supreme Court in years past, 768 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 2: but I think obviously now that it's like, bro, there's 769 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 2: no breaks on the conservative side. Now, we're just getting 770 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: like decision after decision where I feel like every time 771 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: people are like is it legitimate? Do we how do 772 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: we tend with it? And yeah, Like to your point, 773 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: it's they're basically once some freaky billionaires, Like how do 774 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: I get this done? They're like, oh, yeah, we'll figure 775 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: out a way, even if we have to make up 776 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 2: a victim, yeah, to bring to the court. And they 777 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: won't even really you know, really pry into that. I mean, 778 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: the last few cases were like this person isn't even 779 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 2: a web designer, and they're trying to act as if 780 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 2: like she's suffering damages or something by this law. And 781 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: you're like, fucking how and you get that there's a 782 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: whole machine. This is an apparatus, a machine, a whole 783 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 2: thing pushing this all. 784 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the case three h three creative really really 785 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 3: good example of how like the Federalist Society, the conservative 786 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: legal movement, and now six fucking maniacs on the Supreme 787 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 3: Court are are are dealing with their issues that they 788 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 3: you know, it's like we call it results oriented, Like 789 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 3: they know the result that they want out of a 790 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 3: case and they'll get there no matter what. 791 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, according their brains. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah I thought 792 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 2: they I thought they called balls, that's what. Wait, what Yeah, 793 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 2: they call balls strikes. Oh yeah, that's right. A strike, Yeah, yeah, 794 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: that's a strike. 795 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: The only aspect of the story that made me hopeful 796 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: was like how successful they they've been, Like the the 797 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: history of the Federalist Society shows how quickly things can change. 798 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 2: Now. 799 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: Granted, like things have changed for the worst, like in 800 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: huge way, like just compared to the seventies when this 801 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: takeover kind of first started, Like guns were not mentioned 802 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party's like platform until like seventy six. 803 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: Prior to that, everyone was kind of like, yeah, no, 804 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment is about militia's like it, like it 805 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: says in the Constitution, which we're supposed to be like 806 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: into I guess as a party. And like there there's 807 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: a quote from a conservative justice who calls like the 808 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: Second Amendment thing that we're all familiar with and like 809 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: I came up assuming was like a permanent part of 810 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. There's like a conservative justice who's like 811 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: calls it the greatest fraud they've ever heard. Like if 812 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: they can so I don't know, yeah, it just if 813 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: they can shift things that far that quickly, like maybe 814 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: we can shift them back to where they were like 815 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: in the seventies, like in some of these cases where 816 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: it's just gotten so much worse because of them. But 817 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that that was Like the thing that 818 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: I found one of the most startling things I found 819 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: about it was just how much they have changed and 820 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: how quickly it's happened. 821 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it shows the power the federal of society's success, 822 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 3: the success of the conservative legal movement more broadly, Like 823 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: it shows the power of like building a movement, like organizing, 824 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 3: like yeah, taking taking courts seriously, right, Like It's not 825 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 3: it wasn't like magic that did it. It was that, 826 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 3: like people coalesced around their common interest in opposing the 827 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: New Deal, the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement, 828 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 3: and movements to expand democracy. We can say, right, they 829 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 3: didn't like that, and so they started to organize against it. 830 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 3: They made connections with politicians all of that stuff, and over, 831 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 3: like I said, over the past fifty years, like they 832 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 3: are now, you know, kind of living in the world 833 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 3: that they built, like living with their successes. And unfortunately 834 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 3: they're still full steam ahead because they're an incredibly powerful 835 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 3: movement now. But I think you're exactly right, Jack, Like 836 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 3: people will, especially law students will ask us. When we 837 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 3: like go to law schools and talk about this stuff, 838 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: law students will ask us like they're like hopeless, They're 839 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 3: like despondent, right, They're like, what, like this world is unacceptable? 840 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 3: How on earth do you like fight back against the 841 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: federalist society? And I think that's because like a lot 842 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: of young people like you, just you have come up 843 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 3: into your adulthood in like a Trump presidency, like everything awful, 844 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 3: like institutions just completely illegitimate on their face, corrupt, and 845 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 3: you're just like how do you fix this? 846 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 7: Right? 847 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 3: But taking a step back, it's exactly like you said, Jack, 848 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 3: like politics can actually move quite quickly, and it just 849 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 3: means that, like movements need to be built, we also 850 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 3: can organize ourselves against what they're doing, right, And there 851 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 3: are lots of different methods that actually, like it's not 852 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 3: about like building a response twin organization of the federalist 853 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 3: society to oppose the federalist society, right, It's about like recognizing, 854 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 3: like you know, if you're interested in social justice, if 855 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 3: you're a movement lawyer, all of these people like we 856 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 3: have power that is very different from a billionaire funded 857 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 3: my case to go to the Supreme Court should and 858 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 3: we should be using it right, And those things can 859 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 3: happen very quickly in politics. Historically they've happened very quickly. 860 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 3: So this is not like, you know, the end is 861 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 3: not written, Like the federal society as it is today 862 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 3: is not the world that we live in forever now, 863 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 3: like we can do something about it. 864 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, like things ebb and flown right now. I think 865 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 2: if you're younger, then you've been caught up like you've 866 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 2: only known peak federalist society power exactly. I don't know 867 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 2: how the fuck does this change, but like anything, yeah, 868 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,919 Speaker 2: things opinions change, and movements begin to form, and yeah, 869 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 2: I think this is I mean, I think because of 870 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 2: the like depravity of the Supreme Court, it's it's doing 871 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 2: the thing of like naturally beginning to radicalize people or 872 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 2: at least bring people into a level of consciousness about Okay, 873 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 2: so wait what how Okay? And they are able to 874 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: get there why because their corporations are now treated as 875 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 2: people and can also spend unlimited sums of money that 876 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 2: is actually affecting the legislative products. Okay, okay, okay, okay, 877 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 2: And I think yeah, to that end, I feel like 878 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: we're just I mean, we talked about this all the time. 879 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 2: When you look at younger people, and like when I 880 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 2: was in college, I was like I was engaged, but 881 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 2: not to the degree that I even see people that 882 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 2: are in high school are now because the stakes are 883 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: just completely different for them. So there is like this 884 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 2: double edged sword thing here where with the fuckery comes 885 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 2: increased knowledge. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely a difficult time. 886 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, could be existing, Yeah, exactly. And I think it's 887 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 3: about like seeing where where power is right now and 888 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 3: how we can transfer power right so right now, it's 889 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 3: like not about like building the most powerful liberal legal 890 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 3: organization to counter the federalist society. It's actually about saying, like, 891 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 3: the federalist society has too much fucking power in our 892 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 3: politics and in our law making and in you know, 893 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 3: in the judiciary, the Supreme Court has too much fucking power, 894 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 3: and so you know, things like structural reforms, movement building 895 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 3: that shift power to the people who should have it, workers, consumers, 896 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 3: the people, right, democratic structures of government. That's where that's 897 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 3: where our folks it should be. 898 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about that too, right, Like, you know, 899 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 2: I guess I was. We will talk about like what 900 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 2: we could do later on, but it's come up pretty 901 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 2: naturally now. Is like, you know, most people look at 902 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 2: it and go, what can we do? Like if it 903 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 2: like like all these people are screaming and shouting that 904 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 2: they don't want X, Y or Z, but they just 905 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 2: don't care. And I get that, Like, you know, one 906 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 2: version is to build up the people power to do 907 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 2: something like that. And then the other version too, is 908 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 2: like if we want things like term limits or like 909 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: if we want to pack the courts, we need legislators 910 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 2: to do that, and that means like we have to 911 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 2: count on them because based on what I've seen, our 912 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 2: legislators move at a pace that could be described as 913 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 2: heroin snail and so that does make me a little 914 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 2: bit weird. But how do you look at that? Because 915 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 2: I think that is one of the ways too, like 916 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 2: we do need legislation that actually arises like that intersects 917 00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 2: with the justices out of place that they know they're like, oh, okay, 918 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 2: these are new rules now. Yeah, but how like how 919 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320 Speaker 2: do you sort of look at that and what do 920 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,919 Speaker 2: you see as being like more effective versus the other, 921 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 2: or if we should just be like no, no, no, like 922 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 2: for patient, maybe this will work. 923 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, it's not about patients. It's about like 924 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 3: like doing some real shit, right and doing some real 925 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 3: shit kind of like across the board, across all of 926 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 3: We should be using all of the tools that we 927 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,959 Speaker 3: have for this. So when like I said, we should 928 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 3: be decreasing the power of the Supreme Court, how do 929 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 3: you do that? There are lots of ways. Some of 930 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 3: the things that you've just described are really good ways 931 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 3: that like we should be pursuing. So packing the court, 932 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 3: making the court bigger, making the number of justices bigger 933 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 3: on the Supreme Court decreases the power that each individual 934 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 3: justice has, right It spreads power over a bigger body, 935 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 3: meaning Sam Alito, the fuck face, Brett Kavanaugh, the psycho, 936 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas don't have that like that the power that's 937 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 3: currently consultalidated in them right now. Packing the Court is 938 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 3: a really really is a really great way to decrease 939 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 3: that power. And that's kind of like what you're talking 940 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 3: about with this kind of like short term, long term thing, right, 941 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 3: we should be using like the short term avenues that 942 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 3: are available to us in building a long term where 943 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, the Federal society, corporations have less power 944 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,959 Speaker 3: over all of us, right term limits, That's a really 945 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 3: good idea. I think there are tons of ideas for 946 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 3: structural reform of the Supreme Court, and we should be 947 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 3: like talking about all of them. That's when it comes 948 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 3: to the politicians, right, it's a failure of the Democratic 949 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 3: Party that the Republicans and the federalist society, the conservative 950 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,919 Speaker 3: legal movement has taken the court so seriously for decades now, 951 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 3: and they've won what they've won, and they are like 952 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 3: rolling around in the pig sty shit that they've created 953 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 3: and they love it. They're partying, right, and Democrats still 954 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 3: are not taking the Supreme Court seriously, still not saying, hey, 955 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 3: we need to reform this, Hey we need to we 956 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 3: need to be doing our politics around this is right? 957 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 2: What like what's the fear of the Democrats to legislate 958 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 2: the courts? Like what you know, I mean, because I 959 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 2: get part of it too. Is like at the same time, 960 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 2: both parties still serve corporate interest to a certain extent, 961 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 2: so like obviously they're like, hey, you know, like maybe 962 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 2: go that Maybe they's just the will of the donors, 963 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 2: aren't there or what or is just historically that there's 964 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,879 Speaker 2: just this like aversion to it. But that's the one 965 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 2: thing all I see is like things happen, and then 966 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 2: you'll see people like Chuck Schumer or Nancy Polsy're like, 967 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 2: you know what, we got to do something about the 968 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, just not now, and I don't know when, 969 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say that out loud, because that's what 970 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 2: we do as a party. I Mean. 971 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: The also thing I always hear them say is that 972 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 1: if they packed the if Democrats pack the court when 973 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: they're in office, won't the Republicans just pack the court 974 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: back at them? And if so, it like who does 975 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: that benefit overall? 976 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, yeah, Okay, So I have two thoughts 977 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 3: about this. One is like the historical thing in history, 978 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 3: pressure on the Supreme Court by the other branches of 979 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,720 Speaker 3: government work. So most famously, probably the most famous example 980 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 3: is FDR in the nineteen thirties, early nineteen forties, and 981 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 3: with Congress is passing all of this New Deal legislation, right, 982 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 3: getting people jobs as a communist, getting people jobs, getting 983 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 3: people to work, outlying child labor, you know, more rights 984 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 3: for workers, supporting unions, all of that kind of stuff. 985 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court at that time was conservative and 986 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 3: was striking down all of that legislation left and right. 987 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 3: What did FDR do? FDR threatened to pack the court. 988 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 3: He was like, I'm about to add justices if you 989 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 3: guys don't get in line. And what did the Supreme 990 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 3: Court do? 991 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 2: They got in line. 992 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 3: They started, they stopped striking down that legislation so that 993 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 3: new Deal legislation could actually go into effect. So there 994 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 3: are historical analogs here, like we could be looking at 995 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 3: that for historical analogs for Democrats actually using the fucking 996 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 3: political power that they have, right. And so there's that. 997 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 3: And then the other thing that I was going to 998 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 3: say to your point Jack about like this counter argument 999 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 3: that Democrats will be like, well, Republicans will pack the 1000 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 3: court if we pack the court, and then it will 1001 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 3: be all Republicans. The thing that is like the thing 1002 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 3: that people don't stop and realize is that Republicans have 1003 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 3: packed the court. We live in a reality that is 1004 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 3: a Republican packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary. When Trump 1005 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 3: was in office, he nominated twenty five percent of the 1006 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 3: current federal bench. All federal district court judges were nominated 1007 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 3: by Donald Trump. That's because that Republican president took the 1008 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 3: judiciary seriously and was like, oh, we have all these 1009 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 3: spots to fill, let's go. Right, So we live in 1010 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 3: the world that is already a Republican packed court, a 1011 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 3: Republican packed judiciary, and so Democrats should be taking that 1012 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 3: seriously as as sort of a method again, one of 1013 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 3: the tools that they have, and because the result would 1014 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 3: be that when Republicans pack the courts, the results are 1015 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 3: power is consolidated in the wealthy, in corporations, et cetera. 1016 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 3: If Democrats would pack the courts, the results would be 1017 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 3: people have more power, workers have more power, women have 1018 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 3: more power, minorities have more power. That's very hard to 1019 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,719 Speaker 3: take away once it's given. Right, So the threat, but 1020 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 3: I don't know a generation to generations from now that 1021 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 3: then Republicans would come back and pack the court. And 1022 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: if Democrats packed the court first, that is so remote. Like, 1023 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 3: let's actually do something with the power that we have 1024 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,920 Speaker 3: to give power to more people. And that is doing politics, 1025 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 3: That is doing good governance, right, And yeah, I'm not 1026 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 3: worried about Republicans packing the court in fifty years. I'm 1027 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 3: worried about the Republican packed court right now. 1028 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 2: Right right, because it's there. It's like it's more the 1029 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,800 Speaker 2: Democrats are unpacking than packing exactly. 1030 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 3: You're just letting it being packed. 1031 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 1032 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: The last thing that I just wanted to cover on 1033 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: the Federal Society is there's been this narrative of well, 1034 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: the Conservatives, now that they overturned Row, are kind of 1035 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: like the dog that caught the car, and it's kind 1036 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: of this hopeful thing of like, yeah, but that that 1037 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: was all they cared about, right, and now they accomplished that, 1038 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: it's unpopular, they're kind of fucked. 1039 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 2: What are they going to do? 1040 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: And I think you specifically framed it as like the 1041 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: Federal Society is a service provider to the Republican Party, 1042 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: like they will move in accordance with whatever the Republican 1043 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 1: Party wants. Like the gun thing didn't start with the 1044 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: Federalist Society. It started with like Reagan, and you know, 1045 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: the Republican Party kind. 1046 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 2: Of adopted some of these nra and. 1047 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: Then the Federalist Society is like, all right, well we 1048 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 1: are the judicial wing, as you said, of the Republican Party, 1049 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: so we're just going to get in line. So they 1050 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: are going to be you know, as Trump you know, 1051 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: continues to wheel power or you know, let's say he 1052 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: wins the next election, they are going to be a 1053 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: fascism machine like that. It's not going to be a 1054 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: thing where they're like, all right, well this is the 1055 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,280 Speaker 1: bridge too far. I think, like January sixth, the fact 1056 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: that they wouldn't like ratify a separate set of electors 1057 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court, I think made misled me to 1058 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: be like, so the Supreme Court like ultimately is not 1059 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: going to just go along with Trump's bullshit. But like 1060 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the Federalist society who like 1061 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 1: put those justices on the Supreme Court were like guns blazing, 1062 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: like January sixth, like election overturning, like conspiracy theorists like that. 1063 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: One of the founders was like, guys, this is too 1064 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: much like Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for president. 1065 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: And they were like, you can't call yourself the founder anymore. 1066 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what his title. 1067 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm sorry, I like Donald Trump again. 1068 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,919 Speaker 1: January sixth was tight, but it's just like I do 1069 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,319 Speaker 1: think the near future is just as dangerous, and you know, 1070 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 1: there there are a lot of really dark possibilities with 1071 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: the Federalist Society just as much as like the recent past. 1072 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, we said that the Federalist Society, 1073 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 3: you know, provided the list for Trump for who he 1074 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 3: was nominating to the Supreme Court. Those justices, in fact, 1075 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,240 Speaker 3: the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court right now 1076 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 3: are currently members of the Federal Society or have been 1077 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,719 Speaker 3: at points in their past. Just want to make it clear, 1078 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 3: like this is this is a network that is like, uh, 1079 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 3: this is a network that's promoting from within its own ranks. 1080 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 3: These are their own people, right, And there's not a separation. 1081 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,240 Speaker 3: There's not a separation. There is not a separation between 1082 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 3: the Federalist Society and the people on the Supreme Court. 1083 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1084 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 3: I think January sixth is like a really interesting like 1085 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 3: moment in history. I guess you could say for the 1086 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 3: Federalist Society because I think that if we're kind of 1087 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 3: calling the Federal Society like a party, a political party, 1088 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 3: it's it's not officially, but if we think about it 1089 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 3: like that, they learned lessons from January sixth, right, and 1090 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 3: I think a really big lesson they learned was that 1091 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 3: you know, they can as they were in January sixth, 1092 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 3: leading up to January sixth and afterwards, in all of 1093 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 3: the litigation, whether it was Trump's fraud claims about votes, 1094 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,760 Speaker 3: whether it was about you know, states certifying their electors, 1095 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 3: all of it, Federal Society lawyers had their hands on 1096 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,880 Speaker 3: all of that. We're directing all of that. There are 1097 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 3: Federal Society lawyers who were actually took part in planning 1098 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 3: the January sixth stuff like specifically. But I think the 1099 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 3: lesson learned was that the public at large probably was 1100 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 3: left with a bit of distaste about the actual coup part, right, 1101 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 3: the actual invasion of the capital part, right, whereas the 1102 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 3: Federalist Society could have and I think now has like 1103 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 3: learned the lesson that it can still be behind the 1104 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 3: scenes doing all of the legal machinations, all of the 1105 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 3: legal stuff, the legal work that needs to be done 1106 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 3: to effectuate the result that they want, which is Trump 1107 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 3: winning the presidency next time. Right, And so yeah, I 1108 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 3: think they've learned that lesson, and they know that the 1109 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 3: messy coup literal riot part was maybe something that would 1110 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 3: like kind of made it overall unsuccessful. But they know 1111 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 3: that they have allies on the court up and down 1112 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 3: the Federal Judiciary. The lawyers have been working on this 1113 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 3: stuff for years, meaning like what kind of cases to bring, 1114 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 3: they're ready for the litigation, and yeah, they're the Federalist 1115 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 3: Society has always been really good at this exactly, the 1116 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 3: behind the scenes work where they're not saying like the 1117 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 3: Federalist Society is bringing this case. The Federal Society isn't 1118 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 3: suing anybody. It's people in this network, right. 1119 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't give up. They've been They try and try, 1120 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: and you know, they were trying to overturn Row for 1121 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: decades and then they just kept trying different things until 1122 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: they found a strategy packing the court with Federalist Society 1123 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,919 Speaker 1: people that actually worked exactly. So, yeah, this isn't going 1124 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: to stop until an alternate force is put to work 1125 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: that stops it in counterbalance. 1126 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like a lot of legal analysts 1127 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 3: or journalists media at the time that Dobbs came down, 1128 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 3: which overturned Roe v. Wade, a lot of commentators were like, oh, well, 1129 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,240 Speaker 3: what's the Republican Party going to do? Now, what's the 1130 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 3: Federal Society going to do? 1131 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 2: Now? 1132 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 3: Like they they won, They got there like big, they 1133 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 3: achieved their big project of overturning Row, and now it 1134 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,440 Speaker 3: seems like they're going to be like kind of disorganized 1135 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 3: and they don't really know what they're working on now. 1136 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,920 Speaker 3: False false false false. 1137 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: R Right, it's the was like check made assholes. 1138 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 2: Wait wait you just took it. Y'are after I embryos? 1139 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly right. 1140 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 3: So it's like, again if we're thinking of them as 1141 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 3: kind of like a political party, like now it's more 1142 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 3: like a normal political party where there's different bowls of interest, 1143 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 3: less focused on the one single issue that they did 1144 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 3: coalesce around over you know, since since Roe v. Wade, 1145 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 3: since the early seventies. But they have tons of energy, 1146 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,320 Speaker 3: tons of political will, and and again what they're working 1147 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 3: on is even more fascist stuff coming down the pipeline. 1148 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,920 Speaker 3: And it's all centered not just their opposition to Roe v. 1149 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 3: Wade and abortion rights. It's all centered on their opposition 1150 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 3: to the New Deal, to the civil rights movement, to 1151 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 3: the women's rights movement, and to expanding democracy. So the wildest, 1152 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 3: most fascist shit you can think of, legally, they're working 1153 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 3: on it right now. It's absolutely coming down the pipeline. 1154 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 3: Whether that's like rolling back protections for women and queer people, 1155 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 3: whether that is saying you don't have a right to contraception, 1156 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 3: whether you know, we're talking about like prisoner's rights, the 1157 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 3: rights of criminal defendants, all kinds of stuff. They are 1158 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 3: absolutely still working on it. They are not disorganized now 1159 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,240 Speaker 3: that they quote unquote one overturn at robi ways. 1160 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 2: I think the only part that I think they're like 1161 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 2: conflating what the aims are of the Federalist Society and 1162 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,800 Speaker 2: like the broader conservative judicial movement with like the electoral 1163 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 2: politics of people that are a down ballot of Trump 1164 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 2: who are like, ooh, I don't know what to do now. 1165 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, sure, in that narrow sense, yes exactly, 1166 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 2: it's difficult now to campaign. But in terms of like 1167 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 2: a movement, like we're already saying, it's like they want 1168 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 2: to basically, they really want to go back to the 1169 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 2: nineteenth century at best, you know. 1170 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's the Federal Society being that service provider. 1171 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 3: So you best believe they are hooking up with Republican 1172 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 3: and conservative politicians and being like, here's what you can 1173 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 3: campaign on. We're working on this. This is what donors 1174 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,800 Speaker 3: care about right now, right yeah, yeah. 1175 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall from the podcast you're wrong about talks about 1176 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 1: how the right wing takeover of media and of politics 1177 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 1: over the past like fifty years has been very similar 1178 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: to like the panics that the right wing was having 1179 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: about like communism, like the Red Scare and like Satanism 1180 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: and stuff like it's been this you know, smaller like 1181 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: minority group that has imposed its ideals through. Yeah, just 1182 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 1: like behind the scenes infiltration and all the shit that 1183 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: they were worried about. 1184 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 2: Like I feel like their. 1185 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Concerns around the Satanic panic and like the Red Scare, 1186 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,360 Speaker 1: we're just like them telling on themselves or giving themselves 1187 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: ideas about like how to do this shit. 1188 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1189 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1190 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,440 Speaker 3: The Republicans, conservatives in general, especially social conservatives, they'll they're 1191 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,320 Speaker 3: they're really good at making the issues they care about 1192 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 3: into culture war bullshit, right, like really firing up a base, 1193 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 3: really like yeah, firing up this moral panic about stuff. 1194 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 3: And then when you like take a step back, you're like, hey, 1195 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 3: people voting, like you're talking about mail in ballots like 1196 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:23,400 Speaker 3: what you know. So yeah, yeah, that's as tried and 1197 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 3: true tale as old as time for sure. 1198 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1199 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be 1200 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: back to talk about what's happening on the Supreme Court 1201 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: this week. 1202 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 2: We'll be right there a lot and we're back. We're 1203 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 2: stand on a stool, stand on a stool. I don't 1204 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,960 Speaker 2: care ta stand on a stool, stand on a stool, 1205 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 2: all right? 1206 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 4: Hashtag Neil Young, Neil Young. 1207 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: So just a quick roundup of some Trump news. Yeah, 1208 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: so you don't get too bogged down here, And because 1209 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of time, we'll just we'll. 1210 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 2: Just rip through, all right. Where do we start. He's 1211 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 2: spent over seventy six million dollars in legal fees, and 1212 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,520 Speaker 2: the main account that he's been using to fund all 1213 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 2: this is down to only a couple million. So people 1214 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,120 Speaker 2: are like, oh, he's gonna have to start using the 1215 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,480 Speaker 2: rnc's money. But I don't. I feel like so many 1216 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,120 Speaker 2: these headlines are written in a way to be like 1217 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 2: they're coming home to roost soon. It's like he's always 1218 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,320 Speaker 2: gonna find fucking millions of dollars in the couch cushions. 1219 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,000 Speaker 4: Shit has been coming home to roost for fucking eight years. 1220 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,120 Speaker 2: I know, I know this is the one that's gonna 1221 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 2: get him. CHRISP. 1222 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 4: Maggie Haberman, your father went out for cigarettes and Maggie 1223 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,960 Speaker 4: Haberman tunes. Oh well, I think he's pretty upset. I 1224 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 4: don't know, I know him pretty well. 1225 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Yes, he's upset. He's really this time Jack. He seems 1226 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 2: so mad at me. 1227 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 1: That's a real story. Yeah, I know, so mad at me. 1228 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Like you should have seen the look he was being 1229 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 1: such a bitch. 1230 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,520 Speaker 2: To me his self. Tanner was just dripping off his channel. 1231 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 4: Someone should make a fucking TV show about the Maggie 1232 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 4: Haberman Trump romance. 1233 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that'll be a great, good show. It could 1234 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 2: be done pretty quick. 1235 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 4: I knew how to make a show. I was about 1236 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:12,959 Speaker 4: to say if I knew how to make a show, 1237 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 4: but then you just figured it out for me. 1238 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just put it in a co pilot and 1239 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 2: be like, uh yeah, let me give me a three 1240 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 2: acts structured romance. 1241 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 4: This is what I'm gonna put in Haberman Trump love murder. 1242 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I do it. 1243 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 4: Hand had gliding. 1244 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 2: See here you go. Hang gliding is what was gonna 1245 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,600 Speaker 2: be my next suggestion. Yeah, like whatever, it doesn't matter. 1246 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 2: Skuy's limit. Let Ai figure it out. The sky is 1247 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 2: the limit with hang gliding. And speaking of limited consequences, 1248 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of reports about how Trump's like violated 1249 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 2: his gag order like at least ten times in the 1250 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 2: last month, and like prosecutors like, oh, are you gonna 1251 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 2: fucking do it is a contemptive cord of a fucking 1252 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,919 Speaker 2: real thing. It doesn't seem like it is. So that's 1253 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 2: a big shock. 1254 01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 4: Turns out gag orders are suggestions. 1255 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, merely like yeah, like traffic signals and like yeah. 1256 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,160 Speaker 2: But then also his polling number numbers continue to tread 1257 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 2: downward with independence, but we're still seven months out, so 1258 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,120 Speaker 2: we'll see what's happening. Uh, there's that. But the real 1259 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 2: fun part is Jesse Waters recently he had to cope 1260 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,400 Speaker 2: hard with the fact that Trump just looks so withered 1261 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,840 Speaker 2: in court, like and there's all this talk about he's 1262 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 2: gonna be fucking in charge of that courtroom, and he's 1263 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,840 Speaker 2: just been like tiny, little sleepy like rip van winkled 1264 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 2: in the courtroom. So you know, Jesse Waters, with his 1265 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,040 Speaker 2: gigantic brain, was like, I actually have a counterpoint as 1266 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:42,120 Speaker 2: to why Donald Trump like fucking shouldn't be having to 1267 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 2: stand trial. And here it is, and but the guy 1268 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 2: needs exercise. 1269 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,280 Speaker 9: He's usually golfing, and so you're gonna put a man 1270 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,680 Speaker 9: who's almost steady sitting in a room like this on 1271 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 9: his butt for all that time. It's not healthy. 1272 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 2: You know how big of a health nut I am. 1273 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,000 Speaker 9: He needs sunlight, and he needs activity. 1274 01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 2: He needs to be walking around, he needs action. 1275 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,440 Speaker 9: It's really cruel and unusual punishment to make a man 1276 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,960 Speaker 9: do that, And anytime he moves, they threaten to throw 1277 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:06,600 Speaker 9: him in prison. 1278 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, cool and unusual punishment is making being unhoused a crime? 1279 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,920 Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's that's cool if we're talking about the 1280 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,960 Speaker 2: Eighth Amendment here. But I get it. But I guess 1281 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 2: Trump is too old then, is what you're saying. Yeah, 1282 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:21,760 Speaker 2: to be sitting there. 1283 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,000 Speaker 1: They're trying the like I had. I had this thought 1284 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: when the reports first started coming in that he kept 1285 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,240 Speaker 1: like falling asleep and farting up the courtroom, that like 1286 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,080 Speaker 1: he might be trying to project an air of incompetence, 1287 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 1: like like the legal sense of incompetence, like incompetence stand 1288 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 1: trial sort of thing, because that's an old mafia tactic. 1289 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,919 Speaker 1: Trump is trained in the like mafia, you know, art 1290 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: of doing battle from you know, his early days, and 1291 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,520 Speaker 1: like that's that's what the mafia would always do whenever 1292 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: like a a capo or a don would like stand trial. 1293 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: They would frequently be like, oh, yeah, he's lost his marbles. 1294 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 2: Lingering. I think it's a legal term. 1295 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that was Uncle June did that in sopranos, Yeah, 1296 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,240 Speaker 1: junior cororado soprano robe. 1297 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 4: There's a famous one. I think it was Vincent Gigante 1298 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,200 Speaker 4: or used to wear the bathrobe. This is mob fact ship. 1299 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,280 Speaker 2: Remember we talked about mobat like New York mob footage 1300 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 2: YouTube to watch most. 1301 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,320 Speaker 4: Of my fucking I'm watching footage of fucking mobsters faking 1302 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:30,960 Speaker 4: be insane on the streets of New York in the 1303 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, grainy footage. 1304 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,800 Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, I know malingering when I see it. 1305 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 4: I see more coppos. I've seen more coppos and worn 1306 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 4: out robes shuffling down the street. 1307 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 2: And I see more coppos than a guitar shop. I 1308 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,800 Speaker 2: guess you call that's for my music heads out there. 1309 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 2: But like, I guess it is funny because like truly 1310 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 2: to fit the standard of like incompetency to stand trial, 1311 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,480 Speaker 2: you have to show mental like you're mentally incompetent to 1312 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 2: mentally competent to stand trial. But It's like, are they 1313 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,120 Speaker 2: trying to thread the most elegant needle, Like too incompetent 1314 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 2: to stand trial, but competent enough to be the most 1315 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,280 Speaker 2: powerful person on earth. 1316 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, weird, weird line to try and draw where you like, 1317 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,840 Speaker 1: this guy just needs to be out running around like 1318 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: a golden retriever. He needs sunlight and like a yard 1319 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 1: that he can run around. 1320 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,799 Speaker 2: He need golf. 1321 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, or he's waters Man. Jesse Waters went to Trinity too, 1322 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 4: by the way, Trinity College in Hartford where I went, 1323 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,920 Speaker 4: and so did Tucker Carlson classmates. They turn out a 1324 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,679 Speaker 4: diverse group. 1325 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,719 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, what a fucking combo. Tucker Carlson, Jesse 1326 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:41,719 Speaker 2: Waters crofton. 1327 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,200 Speaker 4: Tucker was my classmate and I knew Tucker in college. Wow, 1328 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 4: that's true. I've told you that before. Yeah, but yeah, 1329 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 4: but I never do Jesse Waters even much younger, but 1330 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 4: but same, you know, I mean, I just think colleges, 1331 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, they should. 1332 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,519 Speaker 2: Have you tell us you were Tucker Carlson's classmate, like 1333 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,839 Speaker 2: you must have been in passing. Yeah, yeah, I definitely 1334 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 2: told you. 1335 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I knew him to say hi. 1336 01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,840 Speaker 4: He was not like super well known on campus or anything. 1337 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,680 Speaker 4: He was just seemed like an average rich kid, you know, 1338 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,639 Speaker 4: like most of the kids who went to Trinity were 1339 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,639 Speaker 4: We're like people who are just stopping off at college 1340 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,120 Speaker 4: because it was the next step to whatever job their 1341 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 4: dad had sort of set up for him. I ended 1342 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,439 Speaker 4: up there because my college counselor was just like, you 1343 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,200 Speaker 4: got the this is the best school you got into. 1344 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,719 Speaker 4: So I was like, I was just eighteen and drunk 1345 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,160 Speaker 4: and I didn't know. So I was like, okay, I'll 1346 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,559 Speaker 4: go yeah, you know. And then I went there and 1347 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 4: I was like, what is this? You know, wasn't we 1348 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,920 Speaker 4: rowing boats? 1349 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 2: About boat? 1350 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 4: What was the main thing you have to do before 1351 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,639 Speaker 4: you get rich is row boats? 1352 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 2: Around it? What is kind of weird? Yeah? On board? 1353 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,559 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean that's really the weird culture of 1354 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 4: the rich people, you know, where you have to go 1355 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 4: to college and smoke pot and row boats and then 1356 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,519 Speaker 4: you get to get your dad's job and then you 1357 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 4: just go you. 1358 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,679 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, manual labor at leisure activity. 1359 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just weird. Anyway, it's a weird culture. And 1360 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 4: Tucker was just another He had a signet ring. I remember. 1361 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:04,439 Speaker 2: He just looked like the rich. 1362 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, like all those kids had gold rings with their 1363 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,559 Speaker 4: initials on them. I just remember that was something that 1364 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,960 Speaker 4: I didn't have, you know, so I noticed, you noticed. 1365 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 4: It was fun to be there because I got all 1366 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,600 Speaker 4: this anger, you know that I kept with me, you know, 1367 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,720 Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. And that's where it 1368 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,800 Speaker 4: fed into you know, Fugazi and all the things I love, 1369 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 4: like ended up being like things I got sort of 1370 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 4: channeled too because I had to try and be a 1371 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 4: punk rocker at Trinity College, which is like completely insane. 1372 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,360 Speaker 4: That's like not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed 1373 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 4: to go to art school where there's other punk rockers. 1374 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 4: You're not supposed to try to be a punk rocker 1375 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,400 Speaker 4: at Trinity College. 1376 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 2: But that's what I did. 1377 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it makes no sense, Like, you know, what 1378 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,200 Speaker 4: are you doing here? You know, I'm like, I'm doing 1379 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,280 Speaker 4: my I'm taking it down from the inside. I'm taking 1380 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,920 Speaker 4: it down from the inside place else to go. 1381 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,599 Speaker 2: You're paying, but you're paying for it. 1382 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,840 Speaker 4: You know, because my dad just gave me. Anyway, it 1383 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 4: doesn't matter. 1384 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,559 Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew Tucker in college. 1385 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,960 Speaker 4: He was a jerk. He I found out from other 1386 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,240 Speaker 4: people who knew him better that he was racist. Then 1387 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 4: his dad used to send him John Birch Society stuff 1388 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,280 Speaker 4: in the mail, which he would read that, which he 1389 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 4: would read aloud in his dorm room. So I look 1390 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 4: at all these kids as abused children. Really, I mean 1391 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,040 Speaker 4: you look at kids. But you know, Tucker Carlson's a kid. 1392 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,280 Speaker 4: All these people are stuff in there. Whatever their parents 1393 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:17,720 Speaker 4: told them. 1394 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 2: You know, that's the story about it. Like you heard 1395 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,400 Speaker 2: about his mother like leaving him at Ay. She was 1396 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 2: like a liberal, Yes, she went off to be like 1397 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,920 Speaker 2: a hippies. He hates hippies and stuff. What a what 1398 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:27,559 Speaker 2: a moron? 1399 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:33,080 Speaker 4: I mean, like he's like, I hate hippies, Like, come on, really. 1400 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 2: Because you're actually the one who fucked my mom. 1401 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's embarrassing, man. 1402 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 4: But I mean, like, did you get over that? Like 1403 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna avenge my whole life trying to avenge my 1404 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 4: mother's honor against the hippies. 1405 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaker 2: Me, Okay, why don't you. 1406 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 4: Just fucking settle down? 1407 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 2: What about that? Yeah? Settling the fuck down? 1408 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? Anyway, So yeah that that Uh Jesse Waters. I 1409 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,519 Speaker 4: just think those those institutions like Harvard that turn out 1410 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,920 Speaker 4: like Tom Cotton and stuff, where why are considered the 1411 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,120 Speaker 4: best institutions you know, Trinity is considered this great school 1412 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 4: and it's just this diploma mill for. 1413 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,280 Speaker 2: Scumbags, which I just had. It just has cultural momentum 1414 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,720 Speaker 2: for being like finishing schools for the elite. And then 1415 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 2: from there we're like, that's the that's what we were 1416 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,840 Speaker 2: trying to aspire to. That's a good one. The US 1417 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 2: News on World Reports, So that's a good one. 1418 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're turning out fucking people like Jesse Waters 1419 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,960 Speaker 4: and Carlson, you know, you might want to look into 1420 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,880 Speaker 4: like what your culture is. But of course there's no 1421 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,040 Speaker 4: I mean that. 1422 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: Would actually be good, like if somebody actually released a 1423 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,879 Speaker 1: second magazine that was like US News and World Reports, 1424 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,000 Speaker 1: like college rankings, but you actually looked at the shitheads 1425 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: that they had turned out, like actually helped them for 1426 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,120 Speaker 1: like the worst people who they actually Yeah, I mean 1427 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Harvard would be a fucking disaster, like the some of 1428 01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: the people that Harvard's put out there. 1429 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 4: That's a good behind the Bastards episode, Yeah, like the 1430 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:08,759 Speaker 4: worst of Harbor, the worst of biggest Bastards, biggest. Yeah, control, 1431 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,599 Speaker 4: we could do a magazine. We could do a magazine, Jack, 1432 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 4: if you want to put up the money, I'll do it. 1433 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 2: Us I mean in my work, blaw. 1434 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 4: The world, I'll be in charge of the editorial stuff. 1435 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,080 Speaker 4: You just give me money. 1436 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1437 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,519 Speaker 1: In my experience, magazines are a great investment that never go. 1438 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:30,160 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1439 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're coming back, just like vinyl. 1440 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,599 Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeahh coming back vinyl. 1441 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,639 Speaker 4: Really magazines not so much. 1442 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,800 Speaker 2: All right, should we talk about the Voyager? I want 1443 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,280 Speaker 2: to talk about the Voyager? Yeah. 1444 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a nice small victory for us probe heads. 1445 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,519 Speaker 1: So the Voyager, just for our younger listeners, launched in 1446 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, became the first human made object to 1447 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,840 Speaker 1: venture into interspellar space. Decades later, I don't think I'm 1448 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 1: realized how rare it is for anything to come from 1449 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,240 Speaker 1: or go into interstellar interstellar space. Like, you know, we 1450 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: have our Solar System. That's where basically everything that we 1451 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,880 Speaker 1: have observed up close has come from. Like it's that 1452 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,960 Speaker 1: there's there was that big deal about Muamua recently because 1453 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,880 Speaker 1: it was one of the first interstellar if not the 1454 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,280 Speaker 1: first interstellar objects, like something that came from outside of 1455 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,640 Speaker 1: our Solar System that we actually observed. 1456 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 4: I love that. 1457 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that things really cool. It was just it was 1458 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,960 Speaker 1: going so fast. They were like, wait that can't have 1459 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: come from inside our Solar system. It's like flying from 1460 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,760 Speaker 1: from outside. What was happening? Take me with you still 1461 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 1: haven't given a great explanation on that, But anyways, we 1462 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: sent a spaceship in nineteen seventy seven that has done 1463 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 1: the opposite, has left our solar system, has traveled into 1464 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,400 Speaker 1: interstellar space. And it's not just a probe designed to 1465 01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,800 Speaker 1: relay scientific information. It also contains like a basically like 1466 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 1: a mixtape for aliens, like it's actually a gold plated record, 1467 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,960 Speaker 1: and the tracks include everything from an Australian Aboriginal song 1468 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,879 Speaker 1: to Chuck Berry to someone named a work by somebody 1469 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:22,519 Speaker 1: named Johnny Bagpipes, I Believe No, I'm Sorry, to Bamboo Flutes, 1470 01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 1: to Bach Beethoven, Chuck Berry. And it holds also a 1471 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:32,160 Speaker 1: three paragraph letter written by Jimmy Carter, who relayed our 1472 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,559 Speaker 1: desire to join a community of galactic civilizations, which seems 1473 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,479 Speaker 1: like kind of I don't know, quaint, I like you. 1474 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:40,719 Speaker 4: Like the stuff. 1475 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,200 Speaker 2: Some of it's dated, you know, like ary a rotary phone. 1476 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Right, and a community of galactic civilizations makes more sense 1477 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 1: when you realize that they launched it three weeks after 1478 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Star Wars came out. 1479 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 2: President Jimmy Carter made the with you yeah where It'll 1480 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,080 Speaker 2: get shirt. 1481 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But so Voyager one launch, Voyager two launch 1482 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:17,400 Speaker 1: soon after. Pretty massive undertaking when you realize that, like 1483 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,960 Speaker 1: the computer that is on board that is like controlling 1484 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: all of this stuff sending the information back to us 1485 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,519 Speaker 1: has like far less computing power than like a modern 1486 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,080 Speaker 1: day keyfob for like a car like that. That is 1487 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:38,439 Speaker 1: the level of computational firepower that is on this thing. 1488 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,160 Speaker 1: And it's still out beyond the edges of our solar system, 1489 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 1: still transmitting back to us. But basically last year it 1490 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,599 Speaker 1: stopped speaking coherently, and NASA was like, I don't know, 1491 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,080 Speaker 1: like it seems like it just had like a stroke 1492 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,720 Speaker 1: of some sort, because it's like it's ending back utter gibberish, 1493 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,799 Speaker 1: alternating ones and zeros instead of binary code. 1494 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,400 Speaker 2: I remember that when that first came out, the conspiracies 1495 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 2: around it were like, it's happening, dude. Someone someone got 1496 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,160 Speaker 2: ahold of the Voyager and got a hold of. 1497 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,040 Speaker 1: The Voyager and they're like texting us. 1498 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 2: They're trying to tell but they don't know binary so 1499 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,320 Speaker 2: they look so dumb. 1500 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,479 Speaker 1: Right now, They're like this album sucks, that's what they're 1501 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:23,320 Speaker 1: messaging back to it. 1502 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but say your theory, you got a theory. Yeah, 1503 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:28,920 Speaker 2: I was actually good. 1504 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,840 Speaker 1: I didn't realize other people I thought that I was. 1505 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,880 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that. 1506 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,840 Speaker 1: Like it's just got intercepted by aliens and they're just 1507 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,000 Speaker 1: like trying to text us. 1508 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,680 Speaker 2: They're yeah, they're like, yeah, what does this think that 1509 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,000 Speaker 2: button do? Yeah? Rightways, they figured it out. 1510 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:47,280 Speaker 1: It was like some corruption of the computer's memory, so 1511 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,320 Speaker 1: they fixed it. 1512 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,320 Speaker 2: They actually like fixed. 1513 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,880 Speaker 1: A forty something forty seven year old computer that is 1514 01:17:54,920 --> 01:18:00,719 Speaker 1: around fifteen billion miles away and like decorrupted the memory, 1515 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,640 Speaker 1: and now it is once again sending messages back that 1516 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,040 Speaker 1: take twenty two point five hours to even reach us 1517 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 1: because they're so far away. 1518 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,599 Speaker 2: That's got to be a great gig, huh to take 1519 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 2: a day to get there. So what I'm gonna just 1520 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go sleep in my car in the parking lot, 1521 01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,120 Speaker 2: if that's cool, right way, when the signal comes back, 1522 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,800 Speaker 2: you know, I'm actually go home, yef. You know, it's 1523 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 2: twenty two and a half hours. 1524 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,679 Speaker 1: Things, it is going to stop. It's going to reach 1525 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,679 Speaker 1: its limit to be able to communicate back to Earth. 1526 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,760 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, so we're we're at the end 1527 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:40,120 Speaker 1: of its lifespan because basically the power source that is 1528 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,120 Speaker 1: steering the satellite, you know, the thing that is communicating 1529 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,960 Speaker 1: back and forth to us, like the thing that's required 1530 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,120 Speaker 1: to point their communication dishes towards Earth will lose its power. 1531 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,800 Speaker 4: I think you're referring to the gas engine. Yes, exactly, 1532 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,200 Speaker 4: I mean nineteen seventy seven. 1533 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's engines should have letted gas probably would have 1534 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,840 Speaker 2: gone under. But there's this. 1535 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,160 Speaker 1: Guardian article about this. This just points out that like 1536 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,760 Speaker 1: they will outlive the Pyramids, they'll probably outlive us. They'll 1537 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,040 Speaker 1: probably outlive the planet Earth and will be the only 1538 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,439 Speaker 1: record of our existence. I mean, assuming that we don't 1539 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,920 Speaker 1: launch a bunch more of these. 1540 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, shouldn't we update that? Like I get like, 1541 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,240 Speaker 2: shout out Carl Sagan for putting that together. What is 1542 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,519 Speaker 2: the return on investment? Though, Miles, that is the question, right. 1543 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 2: I feel like the people of the outer and other 1544 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 2: intergalactic communities should at least know about I think you 1545 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,800 Speaker 2: should leave, you know, on some rights that we've had 1546 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,960 Speaker 2: on this planet too. It's just we also have fun too. 1547 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,760 Speaker 2: It's not just music. You know, we do. We do 1548 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,479 Speaker 2: dumb shit too. 1549 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,800 Speaker 1: It does feel like, yeah, the the amount that you 1550 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,680 Speaker 1: were able to fit onto a gold plated record is 1551 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,439 Speaker 1: not right, probably not enough for people, like we probably 1552 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,400 Speaker 1: need to do another into these. 1553 01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,200 Speaker 4: We need to do updates, and that should be at 1554 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,519 Speaker 4: the same place where you can get a fucking cat scan. Yes, 1555 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,120 Speaker 4: we should send a small test and a goddamn whatever 1556 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:14,040 Speaker 4: Space updates, right, send new Space probes with your music 1557 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 4: in them. And then you don't really send them though, 1558 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,439 Speaker 4: because you just can't. You obviously can't. But you take 1559 01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 4: people's money and you take their music, and then you you. 1560 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, that's a good idea. 1561 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:23,680 Speaker 4: Put it in the dumpster out back and say you 1562 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:24,240 Speaker 4: launched it. 1563 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,120 Speaker 2: Send your album, yeah, your demo, yeah you can, but 1564 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,840 Speaker 2: you're also the recording facility too. We also can record 1565 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:32,880 Speaker 2: the demo here too. Man. 1566 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we do all that. 1567 01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,640 Speaker 2: We do it all, man, I got back end, I 1568 01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,160 Speaker 2: got it all. May don't even need an instrument, man, 1569 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:38,840 Speaker 2: just hop in the booth, just get it out, man, 1570 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:39,960 Speaker 2: I'll send it right up to space. 1571 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,599 Speaker 4: Man, aliens are gonna love your demos. 1572 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like a hard drive that is 1573 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,040 Speaker 2: like just traveling into deep intergalactic space and you can 1574 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,680 Speaker 2: like upload people's albums onto it be like upload your 1575 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,320 Speaker 2: album to eternity. Yeah, you would have Jason signed. 1576 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,439 Speaker 4: You didn't know that, right, Just put me the genre 1577 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:01,640 Speaker 4: you do. 1578 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,960 Speaker 2: It's called krung step. Yeah it's krungbin but you want 1579 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:11,000 Speaker 2: to Yeah, you got it all? All right, that's gonna 1580 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:11,320 Speaker 2: do it. 1581 01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,559 Speaker 1: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please like and review the 1582 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,280 Speaker 1: show if you like. 1583 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,360 Speaker 2: The show means the world of Miles. 1584 01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,800 Speaker 1: He he needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having 1585 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,840 Speaker 1: a great weekend and I will talk to you Monday. 1586 01:21:27,840 --> 01:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Byepat