WEBVTT - The Dumpster Fire Debate: Gary Dietrich Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>And what you've got. Honestly, every time I hear you,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel a little bit dumber for what you say.

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<v Speaker 2>Last debate, he said we were all bought and paid for.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine how you could say that, knowing that

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<v Speaker 3>you were just in business with the Chinese Communist Party.

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<v Speaker 3>We opened a subsidiary in China.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what I did that was different than

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<v Speaker 4>every other company. We got the hell out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>And let's just get real here.

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<v Speaker 3>My plan will get the job done. You literally bring

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<v Speaker 3>it fifty thousand dollars on curtains at a fifteen million

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<v Speaker 3>dollar subsidized location. Next, you got bad information.

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<v Speaker 1>They were there before I even showed up.

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<v Speaker 2>At the residents who make you stop?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that that is a good like of the speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>But we need a little of that cacophony before we

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<v Speaker 1>get Gary On thirty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael thirty four, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Said you can't on both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen, you'll have your turn.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the challenges we have a focus on the

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<v Speaker 2>show business and China.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody knows that I just on holding Joe Biden accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how we need to be.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually agree with Ronson's Tower of bab Well, if

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<v Speaker 4>debate after debate for years and years, you reward the

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<v Speaker 4>person who jumps in and takes the mic, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>We're joined by old friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show,

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<v Speaker 2>non partisan political analyst Gary Dietrich. He's a great follow

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter at Gary Dietrich. Gary was at the scene

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<v Speaker 2>of the debate last night. How was the dumpster fire

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<v Speaker 2>from your perspective, Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Joe, you stole the exact colloquialism. I think it, Uh, Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, pretty dead up. Gave it a nice gentil cacophony,

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<v Speaker 3>which is also a good way to describe it, at

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<v Speaker 3>least initially. And then really what happened was I think

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<v Speaker 3>all the candidates can finally check in when the moderator said,

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<v Speaker 3>look at one point, you know, listen, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>cut off your mic. If you continue, that's it. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>go to break them and we'll come back. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think they kind of got it about a third of

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<v Speaker 3>the way in. But it was tough to watch initially

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly tough to either be there. The spin room

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<v Speaker 3>not any better. I mean, we are right now, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the reality is out of last night. It's

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<v Speaker 3>political survival mode for some of these folks going forward.

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<v Speaker 3>The next debate in five weeks of Miami on November eight,

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<v Speaker 3>criteria go up to four percent in the two national

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<v Speaker 3>polls are won, and then a couple from the early States.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of these folks right now do not qualify in

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<v Speaker 3>that regard. You could take Bergham, you could take Christy,

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<v Speaker 3>you could take Scott. Unless their fortunes turn around, they

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<v Speaker 3>are not going to be on the next debate stage.

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<v Speaker 3>That's going to leave DeSantis, Hailey, hence and Ramswami, who

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<v Speaker 3>took a lot of hits last night, we can talk

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<v Speaker 3>about that. I mean, so the field is starting to

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<v Speaker 3>win on like it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the particulars of last night's debate don't interest

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<v Speaker 2>me that much. I have my own impressions. I've read

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<v Speaker 2>a fair amount of echo chamber and spending that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, and more or less we emerged with the

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<v Speaker 2>status quo that we went into it.

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<v Speaker 1>With, which is Trump getting the nomination and an asteroid hits.

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<v Speaker 2>But having said that, what we're most troubled about is

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<v Speaker 2>the whole primary system, the debate system, the coherence of

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party last night was was was awful.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're wanting me to come out on the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that these debates are what inconsequential or even delagias to

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<v Speaker 3>the party?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, I guess I'm sorry. I gave you a

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<v Speaker 2>very very broad set up there. What we discussed a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier was the fact that the Republican Party, which

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<v Speaker 2>exists for the sole purpose of getting people elected, is

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<v Speaker 2>now completely incompetent to that purpose. In my mind, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to take a serious look at the way they

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<v Speaker 2>do what they do and change it. Would you agree

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<v Speaker 2>or was that just an unfortunate, you know episode last night?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Joe, I think you're onto something for this election cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Trump people last night said let's just call

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<v Speaker 3>off the rest of the debates. Of course they would

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<v Speaker 3>say that, but you know, this is and having and

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<v Speaker 3>if you just look at the polling, they're right on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now. You know what's going to happen in the

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<v Speaker 3>next four months before iowen in Hampshire, et cetera. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's certainly true. Now. I think the unique part

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<v Speaker 3>of this one, guys, I was thinking about this last

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<v Speaker 3>night after debate one of the uniquenesses is a leader

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<v Speaker 3>in the party's nominating process that has a forty percent

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<v Speaker 3>lead nationally and a thirty percent lead in iowand in Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's unique to this whole nominating position and who's decided,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm just not going to bother to

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<v Speaker 3>show up. I think all those uniquenesses in this cycle

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<v Speaker 3>certainly lead to what you're talking about, Joe, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is different from what we've seen in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so you talked about the spin room. Did any

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<v Speaker 1>of you all get together, like I don't know, over

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<v Speaker 1>drinks after the debate or anything like that and have

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<v Speaker 1>any conversations about like really changing the way we do this,

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<v Speaker 1>like actually have an on off switch for the mics

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody gets to speak only when their MIC's ot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like really revamping it because it's it's degenerated

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<v Speaker 1>into just a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I do think. I think that one change you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about there, Jack, in terms of mics is probably overdue,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it's probably likely to happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just the turning down to the mics, or you ask

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<v Speaker 3>somebody a question and their mic is the only one

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<v Speaker 3>on for at least the initially designated whatever its right,

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<v Speaker 3>sixty seconds or whatever. I think that's probably something that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be considered because it did render i'd say

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<v Speaker 3>about a good third of debate debate nearly intelligible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right, and I think unfortunately that unintelligible stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>front loaded at the beginning and drove most of America away.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to hear the numbers for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hour one versus hour two. But anyway, putting aside the

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<v Speaker 2>utter incompetence and cacoffey of the thing, if Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>not to win the nomination, it's because Republicans, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are enough Republicans don't ont Trump if they were to

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<v Speaker 2>unite around one candidate that that would be enough to

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<v Speaker 2>overcome Trump, at least theoretically. Who, to your mind, has

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<v Speaker 2>the most momentum, Gary in terms of appeal, maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>fund raising the early primary states. Who would you bet

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<v Speaker 2>on as the dark horse?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good question, Joe, and I'd say right now,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd pick two. I mean, first would be Ron DeSantis, who,

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<v Speaker 3>while he slipped in some of the poles, still retains

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<v Speaker 3>that number two position. And I think most people's estimation

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<v Speaker 3>last night didn't do himself a disservice at least held

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sort of steady even or went up some.

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<v Speaker 3>And the second is Nikki Haley, who you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>the first debate we sell numerically. Afterwards her poll members

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<v Speaker 3>went up demonstrably, I mean some poles almost fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think those are the two. If there's some

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<v Speaker 3>that clearly sank last night, you'd have to save with

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<v Speaker 3>vek Lamaswami, I mean people, it was a dog pile

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<v Speaker 3>on him. You guys probably know, and they got some shots,

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<v Speaker 3>especially related to China that seemed to do some political damage.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Mike Pence just kind of holding on. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he's likely to you don't have any momentum

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<v Speaker 3>going forward. So those are the two I'd say right

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<v Speaker 3>now coming out of this probably best position to if

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<v Speaker 3>there is one, become the Trump alternative.

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<v Speaker 1>How do the political parties not have more power than

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<v Speaker 1>they do at this point to like somehow narrow these

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<v Speaker 1>fields because this didn't used to happen when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't you didn't end up with fifteen people on

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<v Speaker 1>every stage all the time shouting at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Jack, remember this that you know political party political

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<v Speaker 3>power cuts both ways. Remember the Bernie Sanders argument, you're

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<v Speaker 3>rigging this election, which if you look, I remember this

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<v Speaker 3>very distinctly, thinking, why aren't there any debate schedules. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you got Bernie Sanders out there sitting in US center Gal,

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<v Speaker 3>He's moving up rapidly in the pulse, and they just

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<v Speaker 3>ice the whole de right desolutely on. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>there are many people who have gone back. Political sciences

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<v Speaker 3>has gone back and looked at all the trends and

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<v Speaker 3>the polling trends and all the rest of it and said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, had it been a quote unquote normal primary

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<v Speaker 3>season with those debates were on anything else and the

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<v Speaker 3>nominating prossis the delegate count, the super delegates, all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember that Bernie Sanders had a serious chance of winning

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<v Speaker 3>that nomination. And to this day, these people believe that

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<v Speaker 3>the DNC did him dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think that's absolutely true. But they also

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<v Speaker 1>saved themselves a horrific loss. Bernie would have got just stomped.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what the point of the party is,

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<v Speaker 1>as Joe started this is to win elections. So they

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<v Speaker 1>stepped in to make sure a candidate that couldn't possibly

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<v Speaker 1>win nationally, didn't get the nomination. Isn't that what they're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? The problem with that, you might on a pragmatic sense, Shoe,

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<v Speaker 3>you might excuse me, Jack, you might be right, but

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<v Speaker 3>remember we were right in the beginning, right. The big

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<v Speaker 3>throws of the battle within that party that is a

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<v Speaker 3>democratic party, you know, the progressive wing versus the old

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<v Speaker 3>kind of traditionalist wings, and that is some people say

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<v Speaker 3>those are debates and sort of momentum worth having. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>where is the Republican Party going to go post Trump?

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<v Speaker 3>Remind people elected or not next time around, there's only

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<v Speaker 3>one more shot for Donald Trump than what And I

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<v Speaker 3>think those are the big debates that some people say

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<v Speaker 3>the small debates small d debates actually serve a purpose

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<v Speaker 3>over several election cycles.

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<v Speaker 2>Well after the second term. He can play kingmaker and

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<v Speaker 2>bring us more doctor Oz's and herschel Walker's. Anyway, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the counter to Jack's argument, which I happen to be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sympathetic to, is that you can't alienate your customers.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a widespread perception among Republican leaning voters, conservative

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<v Speaker 2>voters that the fat cats of the Republican Party have

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<v Speaker 2>brought us nothing but higher and higher deficits, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>promising us that globalization would lift all votes and empty promises.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand the populist right saying, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>trust the fat cats to find me somebody who's quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote electable. I don't want that. So it's a tough

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<v Speaker 2>time for the Republican Party. It's tough time for Democrats too, Honestly, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the small de democratization of the entire political process,

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<v Speaker 3>and it certainly, you know, some people like talk radio

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<v Speaker 3>got in there, but most importantly social media. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's really what built you know, the initial Donald Trump momentum.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not remember, you know, it was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>universally understood the Republican Party at large did not want

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump as their nominate, you know, and just whittled down,

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<v Speaker 3>whittled down, whittled down. So I think we are witnessing

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<v Speaker 3>the wholesale change. I mean, even in terms of donors,

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<v Speaker 3>small donors have come to begin to dominate a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the early fundraising process, which makes candidate's bible. So

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<v Speaker 3>we are in a transition in our political process in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States. But I'm not sure anybody knows exactly

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<v Speaker 3>where it's going to end up, but it certainly is

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<v Speaker 3>changing rapidly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really, really good point, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening. We're going through a transition. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>come out the other end with something different. We just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You can trust Gary Dietrich for non partisan political analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to throw you one party spinner or

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<v Speaker 2>the others, and we really appreciate that. Follow him on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter at Gary Dietrich. Hey Gary, always a pleasure, Happy travel,

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanksuck, your so

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