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Speaker 2: You can trust Gary Dietrich for non partisan political analysis.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to throw you one party spinner or

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Speaker 2: the others, and we really appreciate that. Follow him on

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Speaker 2: Twitter at Gary Dietrich. Hey Gary, always a pleasure, Happy travel,

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanksuck, your so

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty