Speaker 1: The plumber is gone. Oh no, no, it's good, no good,
Speaker 1: oh good good.
Speaker 2: Oh she died or something.
Speaker 1: There's a dead body at my partner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gone bad because him, good because he deserved
Speaker 3: it better.
Speaker 1: That's right, right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three ninety, episode
Speaker 4: two of Deadly Yes. Production by her Radio Woo. It's
Speaker 4: a podcast where we take a deep dive into American
Speaker 4: share consciousness. And it is Wednesday, May twenty eighth, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five. We're still in the portion of the date
Speaker 4: that is the same ford and backward. I think so.
Speaker 4: I'm still excited about that. Over here. The great thing
Speaker 4: to impress children in elementary school. They think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: My name is Jack O'Brien aka shoot Roids in my
Speaker 4: feet sees, I need some arch support. Dana gymnastics, Danna weightlifting,
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck if a dram myself swimming. That
Speaker 4: one courtesy of Poppa Roach. Nah, that wasn't Pop wrote
Speaker 4: the original one. Jeffrey Kingston wrote the Sorry I should
Speaker 4: have finished that, Nana. This is steroids in sports or something. Anyways,
Speaker 4: that's in honor of the Steroid Olympics. That they're gonna
Speaker 4: do very exciting Yeah, Las Vegas. Where else We're gonna
Speaker 4: get to see people sprint and swim and lift weights.
Speaker 4: But like the sprint agains, swimming will look like it
Speaker 4: on like one point one Speed on Netflix playback and
Speaker 4: everyone will be amazed. I loved the idea in theory,
Speaker 4: and now an execution. I'm just like, this isn't going
Speaker 4: to be I was picturing people jumping out of the
Speaker 4: pool dolphin style, and that.
Speaker 1: Is launching out, Yeah, just.
Speaker 4: Flying out doing what?
Speaker 3: What are the rules of this? Just like any drugs
Speaker 3: or any thing, it's.
Speaker 4: Got to be prescribed by a doctor who helps people
Speaker 4: cheat at sports, like the thing.
Speaker 1: You have to be a real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well awesome.
Speaker 3: My only question is does doctor Moreau count because I
Speaker 3: do want a dolphin man, I know.
Speaker 4: And really we need doctor Moreau in this ship otherwise
Speaker 4: it's really going to be just fucking nothing. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to be joined in our second seat today
Speaker 4: by hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer you know
Speaker 4: from the jos This Racist podcast.
Speaker 3: It's Andrew tren Be honest, I didn't no time for
Speaker 3: a little little fun song.
Speaker 2: Ak.
Speaker 3: I went on the discord.
Speaker 4: I finally got on the.
Speaker 3: Discordd discord and I was looking at y'all's little AKA
Speaker 3: Suggestion channel and the first four were about piss and
Speaker 3: I just deleted discord from my phone and I'll never
Speaker 3: see you. Yeah, I assume something something, something would piss.
Speaker 4: And I went one time and I was just honest.
Speaker 4: I came out. I was like, it was like, it's dead,
Speaker 4: you know, it's bullying. Yeah. I came off and I
Speaker 4: my pants were wet, but I was like, I swear
Speaker 4: I didn't piss myself. But the ride was like scary,
Speaker 4: so nobody believed me. And I landed on wood to Ice,
Speaker 4: so somebody must have like spilled on the ride before
Speaker 4: I was on there, but nobody believed me. And the
Speaker 4: nobody believed me has extended to our listeners, who now
Speaker 4: all the akas they write are just about me pissing
Speaker 4: my pants to blame. I wow you Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: like after I stopped drinking too before absolutely I would
Speaker 4: I would absolutely piss my pants and blame it on
Speaker 4: water ice. But years of sobriety and still.
Speaker 1: Does it mean nothing to them?
Speaker 3: I know exactly well, your secondary bullying has worked, has
Speaker 3: worked because I am also I'm just fully.
Speaker 4: Bullied you right off the and do you see what
Speaker 4: you've done? Zeit Gang?
Speaker 3: This is I was gonna say unacceptable, but I guess
Speaker 3: everyone you know, have your fun.
Speaker 4: Your little about to get mad at Andrew for calling
Speaker 4: our aka discord, our little aka discord. But you see
Speaker 4: what I'm getting at. But now you know I have
Speaker 4: no leg to stand on. This is the thing we
Speaker 4: can't do. We can't give Andrew t the upper hand.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's gonna he's the one who told us about
Speaker 4: the Gish gallop.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I'm just full of insane to information that
Speaker 3: the Zeag has truly taken it was it was. I
Speaker 3: was just like pissed, no piss, no.
Speaker 4: Piss, No, you just gotta search your name. Skimmity toilet.
Speaker 4: Skimmity toilet is in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're back, NonStop toilet toilet of some kind.
Speaker 4: I am going to have to go see that movie
Speaker 4: like when it comes out, too, I've realized because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to see Lelo and Stitch this past weekend.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't see Lelo and Stitch.
Speaker 1: Seems like everyone did. It made like half a billion
Speaker 1: dollars this week.
Speaker 4: Contractually obligated to see it. Yeah, it was wild. Anyways,
Speaker 4: Andrew were killed to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 4: by another one of the very faces on Mount Zeitmore.
Speaker 4: We've got a two first uh, an Emmy nominated writer, artist,
Speaker 4: comedian behind many of the most acclaimed podcasts like I
Speaker 4: Don't Know, The Act Cast, Ghost Church, The Bechdel Cast,
Speaker 4: which just head out Alison Bechdel herself on as a guest.
Speaker 1: Yes, what thrilling?
Speaker 4: So thrilling a sixteenth minute of fame. Obviously, She's the
Speaker 4: New York Times best selling author of Raw Dog, which
Speaker 4: just dropped its paperback edition. Please welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4: Is Jenny Upda.
Speaker 1: Aka Okay, I don't have a singing aka because I
Speaker 1: also forgot. However, I did have the following interaction that
Speaker 1: involves the Zeit Gang and perhaps even implicates zy Gang.
Speaker 1: Oh No, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania last week, where someone was like, coming,
Speaker 1: I did a book signing there and they were like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Zeit Gang. I've been zeke Gang for six six
Speaker 1: and a half years or whatever. I was like, that's awesome,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, and then he's like and then he was like,
Speaker 1: why the hell don't Jack and Miles come to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was like, I Cam, fuck,
Speaker 4: is the heal? Really?
Speaker 1: And then I think he realized that it sounded really.
Speaker 4: He threw us under the bus immediately. I hope you
Speaker 4: were like they're actually completely different. Behind the scenes. They're
Speaker 4: complete elitists. They wouldn't they would never.
Speaker 1: They don't leave LA but they But I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm assuming it's like they've got, you know, families,
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, it's pissing me off.
Speaker 4: And then he just walked away.
Speaker 1: Damn, you've got it's pissing him off. Name.
Speaker 4: I really am afraid of conflict. So don't be surprised
Speaker 4: when we have like a one stop tour where we
Speaker 4: just go to Harrisburg.
Speaker 1: You're starting to piss them off.
Speaker 4: Okay, don't please don't accost our guests, specifically faces on
Speaker 4: Mount Zeite Moore about things that we fucked up, because
Speaker 4: we fuck up constantly.
Speaker 1: We desire he bought a book, he hadn't bought a book.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, he's a menace to society and we
Speaker 1: need to shut down the network. But but No, he
Speaker 1: bought a book and you're starting to piss him off.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to as long.
Speaker 4: As it's a message to us and not like you know,
Speaker 4: him getting mad.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm a mere vessel for the for
Speaker 1: the message that you have to get your ass down
Speaker 1: to Harrisburg because it's starting to piss the stack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to say.
Speaker 3: I pulled up Duck duckgo maps and I'm looking at Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: and across the river there's either a neighborhood or a
Speaker 3: city called.
Speaker 4: Wormsley Burg, and that was the most delightful. Like it's
Speaker 4: the clearly the shitty Shelbyville to Harrisburg. We just really
Speaker 4: start picking a fight with this one, farmers.
Speaker 1: I will sat there Harrisburg. Like most beautiful books I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my whole life was in Harrisburg. The
Speaker 1: midtown Scholar. You gotta go, Jack when you go, so
Speaker 1: you don't kiss this guy off.
Speaker 4: Please don't be mad at me. I'm impressed that Harrisburg
Speaker 4: has a midtown.
Speaker 3: Oh bro, it's got old midtown historical district right next
Speaker 3: to Fox Fridge Historic. Just I'm closing this map.
Speaker 4: How does Duck duck go maps. By the way, I
Speaker 4: have not used it for maps.
Speaker 3: My my ideological attempt to free myself from Google products
Speaker 3: has put me in a distinctly inferior class of technological services.
Speaker 4: That's been my experience with ducklet go. Just like the
Speaker 4: likely alternatives are less good. For sure, you just have
Speaker 4: to know where emails are because the box doesn't always
Speaker 4: work really well. Oh yeah, I think that person heiled me.
Speaker 4: Let me check.
Speaker 3: The tiny thing that is a little hardening is that
Speaker 3: whatever Duc Duco AI service they're pushing. Duc Duco AI
Speaker 3: clearly is just a dude, frantically frantic guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like early AI when it was just people freaking out,
Speaker 1: God the duck. This is the first time I'm hearing
Speaker 1: of duc duco.
Speaker 3: It's just a different one of these dude browser.
Speaker 1: I will say. The logo is pissing me off.
Speaker 4: It's just like a smile.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a little bow tie. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel kind of condescended.
Speaker 4: To it was a smile. Yeah, what about that?
Speaker 1: Right, there's only one condescending guy in my browser, and
Speaker 1: they killed and they killed him.
Speaker 4: My one condescending browsert is dead. Okay, he's dead.
Speaker 1: Don't remind me.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like a royalty free Oh my god,
Speaker 3: not dark with Duckman. It's sort of like if Duckman
Speaker 3: was trying to dodge copyright infringement.
Speaker 4: Right right, yeah, anyway, shout out duck duco. I guess
Speaker 4: over Google relatively speaking, right, you're like.
Speaker 1: The competition is not stiff, but sure, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do?
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do? All right, Jamie, We're thrilled
Speaker 4: to have you back. We're gonna get to know you
Speaker 4: a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple
Speaker 4: of stories that we may be talking about today. We
Speaker 4: might do a little internash check in with the Trump administration,
Speaker 4: just double checking, triple checking at this point that he
Speaker 4: is still a master negotiator. We will look at the
Speaker 4: trends in TV. There's a Wired article about Maga TV.
Speaker 4: The Maga TV era is here, and it is ill advised.
Speaker 4: You'll be surprised to learn. So we'll talk about all
Speaker 4: that plenty more. But first, Jamie Loft, as we do
Speaker 4: like to ask our guest, what is something from your
Speaker 4: search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 1: This is a recent one. Snoopy museum membership benefits because
Speaker 1: I recently became a member of the Snoopy Museum.
Speaker 4: Where's the Snoopy Museum.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad you asked. Maybe you notice my
Speaker 1: hat I'm wearing. I got it at the Snoopy Museum
Speaker 1: last week in Santa Rosa, California. Wows. It was the best.
Speaker 1: It was the best. It was. That's the end of
Speaker 1: the sentence. I finished a leg of my book tour
Speaker 1: in Pedaluma, which happens to be fifteen minutes from Santa Rosa.
Speaker 1: Convinced my fiance to drive seven hours to meet me
Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa so we could get to the Snoopy
Speaker 1: Museum expeditiously. It was amazing. I had the best time.
Speaker 1: I like really ended up spending all I dropped a
Speaker 1: lot of money at the Snoopy Museum. I was not
Speaker 1: expecting to.
Speaker 4: I became a.
Speaker 1: Memor I I was chatting up the docent. It was
Speaker 1: like it was just an incredible friday that I had.
Speaker 4: Favorite thing you saw at the Snoopy Museum.
Speaker 1: This guy named Dave Uh. I knew it the second
Speaker 1: There's a lot of amazing stuff. It's also the Charles
Speaker 1: Schultz Museum, but it's the Snoopy Museum. It's a huge,
Speaker 1: it's a huge. There's the Charles Schultz Museum and Research Institute.
Speaker 1: What they're researching there I didn't quite figure out, but
Speaker 1: uh there, but that's like the history of the Peanuts
Speaker 1: comic strip and the history of Charles Schultz himself. Then
Speaker 1: in the center is Snoopy's Home Ice, which is a large,
Speaker 1: gorgeous ice arena. Uh that Charles Schultz purchased when when
Speaker 1: it was almost shut down in Santa Rosa, like in
Speaker 1: the seventies, because he grew up in Minnesota and loved hockey,
Speaker 1: which is why we so often see Snoopy on what Zamboni's.
Speaker 1: So it's all connecting. And so I got we got
Speaker 1: lunch at the at the Little Ice Cafe. The warm
Speaker 1: puppy saw the Snoopy Zamboni and then we went next door.
Speaker 1: There's a third building and that's all Snoopy. That's where
Speaker 1: they're making the big.
Speaker 4: Bucks is over the real research.
Speaker 1: The Snoopy Gallery is a gigantic gift store full of Snoopies.
Speaker 1: So I just had the time of my life. I
Speaker 1: became a member. I talked to this guy Dave. Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy Dave, this is going to take forty minutes, just.
Speaker 4: So you know, let's go. We don't have anything else
Speaker 4: to talk about.
Speaker 1: This guy Dave, he was the first guy we spoke to. Sorry, wait,
Speaker 1: what was your questioner.
Speaker 4: Super shark question?
Speaker 3: Just because you're an expert, Jamie, do you think you
Speaker 3: could train a bagle to drive a Zamboni?
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen. It was
Speaker 1: a cartoon, but it surely is based on something I
Speaker 1: look Snoopy is the only cartoon the reason I'm I
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly like a Peanuts kid, but like Snoopy is
Speaker 1: the only character that has life since with Zamboni ever.
Speaker 1: Oh and so I happened to have a bunch of
Speaker 1: Snoopy stuff because I have a bunch of Zamboni stuff.
Speaker 1: And then it just overtime, the algorithm got to me,
Speaker 1: I guess. But this guy Dave at the front, he
Speaker 1: was a volunteer docent. He's a longtime Santa Rosa resident.
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about Kathy because Charles Schultz
Speaker 1: was a mentor of Kathy. Guy's white So we were
Speaker 1: chatting about Kathy and he was like, oh, here's where
Speaker 1: the Kathy stuff is because they had some letters changed.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. But then the twist with Dave,
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you get involved at the
Speaker 1: museum and he was like, well, I was one of
Speaker 1: the children and the Christmas Time is here chorus and
Speaker 1: yeah when the special he was like, I was eleven.
Speaker 1: They gave us five dollars in an ice cream cone
Speaker 1: and like everyone in Santa Rosa has a beautiful memory
Speaker 1: with Charles. It's really really nice.
Speaker 3: And you called after I reported, I said, we got it.
Speaker 1: Exzuom him and we got it.
Speaker 4: Yell at him.
Speaker 1: It was it was so awesome. Anyways, I became a
Speaker 1: member and I was like, what are even them? And
Speaker 1: there's actually pretty cool benefits, that's all.
Speaker 4: You weren't even like it's it just kind of came
Speaker 4: through your Zamboni obsession.
Speaker 1: It was like a Zamboni obsession. Also, I think the algorithm,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have had this experience.
Speaker 4: Really fucking love Snoopy. I've just been I've been noticing
Speaker 4: a Snoopy resurgence.
Speaker 1: Of the algorithm loves Snoopy because I was getting I
Speaker 1: was getting a ton to the point where like around
Speaker 1: two years ago. It was like, I guess I love Snoopy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really like my childhood. My mom is really
Speaker 1: confused that I've become a member of the Snoopy Museum.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it's whatever they're doing, it's
Speaker 1: the one good thing the algorithm is done for me.
Speaker 1: Has brought me to Santa Rosa, to the Snoopy Museum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had the time of my life. Feel forever changed.
Speaker 1: I am getting a T shirt in the mail. I
Speaker 1: also have eight guest passes. So if you guys want
Speaker 1: to go wow, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Does it refresh annually or yes?
Speaker 3: Total.
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to go on a road
Speaker 1: trip to Santa Rosa, I could bring bring everyone.
Speaker 3: I think you should save one slot for a sort
Speaker 3: of zeich Gang competition show for one ticket.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I say when I say you, I mean everyone
Speaker 1: listening is welcome.
Speaker 4: I would never go to Santa by the way, it's
Speaker 4: the Harrisburg of California.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Of course, would only go Justin of course you cut yeah, yeah, Justin,
Speaker 4: we don't. We don't leave any of me being elitist
Speaker 4: in the podcast Justin Knows good chapter.
Speaker 3: I would only go to the pig Pen Museum. Pig
Speaker 3: Pen is by far my favorite character.
Speaker 1: He's your guy. We all have a guy.
Speaker 3: I took Mushrooms in the Woods a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and the only thing that I remember coming out of
Speaker 3: it was someone should do a swamp Thing meets the
Speaker 3: Peanuts crossover where swamp Thing decides that he and Pigpen
Speaker 3: are the elementals of the Earth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like you should be doing. You should be
Speaker 4: working at the Charles M. Schultz Museum and research therooms
Speaker 4: and like pitching ideas. I feel like this is all
Speaker 4: the type of research we need to do. Yeah, people
Speaker 4: doing there.
Speaker 3: That What it actually is is the one time JV
Speaker 3: and I worked together that would that's about fifteen seconds
Speaker 3: worth of okay material for a.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you were cooking out there the
Speaker 1: show with Mushrooms in the Woods energy.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 1: What the wait? The last thing about the Stoopy Museum
Speaker 1: I was. I was in the crafts room and there
Speaker 1: was another dozent named Mona and she's like looking at
Speaker 1: me funky. It's like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 4: I don't have a child with me, so what yah?
Speaker 1: But no, then she came over. She was like, I
Speaker 1: was at your book signing last name what so shout
Speaker 1: out moan the whole staff of the Snoopy Museum. They
Speaker 1: know what's going on.
Speaker 4: They're cool. I can't imagine like a better group of
Speaker 4: like you can just assume that those are all great people,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can confirm they're there. It was just the best.
Speaker 3: I might seriously buy this paperbacked Peanuts T shirt that
Speaker 3: they have in their March story.
Speaker 4: Isn't it so much?
Speaker 1: It's really cute?
Speaker 4: Do you now that you're snoopy pilled? Do you like
Speaker 4: consume Snoopy stuff or is it just kind of the
Speaker 4: vibe like are you reading Peanuts strips?
Speaker 1: I've read some Peanuts strips during during when I was
Speaker 1: working on actcast a while ago. I mean, I now
Speaker 1: Peanuts strips are just served to me on Instagram every
Speaker 1: single day, and so I I do kind of read
Speaker 1: a lot of Peanuts, and so many of them are
Speaker 1: actually funny. I think with people. I think people like
Speaker 1: loop it in with like, you know, more sort of
Speaker 1: dry prescriptive comic strips, but like three times exactly, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was cooking, like he was really saying some ship
Speaker 1: I love how they.
Speaker 3: Just openly hate on Charlie Brown in a way that like,
Speaker 3: for there's so mean to him in a way that
Speaker 3: is just wonderful.
Speaker 1: For like, yeah, the first strip ever was like Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown were walking past two girls minding his business and
Speaker 1: and they're just like, I hate it.
Speaker 3: Great, I listen. There's obviously no use for AI, but
Speaker 3: if there ever was one, it would be generate me
Speaker 3: a Peanuts comic strip where they can say fuck and
Speaker 3: that difference.
Speaker 1: Just let's get our greatest artists on it.
Speaker 4: Let's let's yes, the greatest artist of our generations. Favorite artist.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know I'm a little ahead of the time,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that's my favorite artist. Is uh, let's take
Speaker 4: a quick break. We'll come back. We'll do over it
Speaker 4: and underrated. We might even talk about some news. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back. Just drank a milkshake was so funny,
Speaker 4: just to keep that. Keep that, Jack.
Speaker 3: If you ever drank a milkshake on air, I feel like,
Speaker 3: I don't know it would lose milkshake so much.
Speaker 4: Do you guys like milk shakes?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah I have. I like to keep them
Speaker 1: bi annual.
Speaker 4: Do you I like, Oh yeah, I don't eat them
Speaker 4: much because they fuck up my justice system so badly.
Speaker 1: I love the ones that Bob's like, yeah, Bob, Bob's big,
Speaker 1: Bob's big, real good.
Speaker 3: I've never had one of those, I am. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously McDonald's complicted in more crimes, but I do love
Speaker 3: a shamrock shake. I guess I could get a midship
Speaker 3: somewhere else.
Speaker 4: Yeah you can't. Yeah, impossible.
Speaker 1: Just add a stick of gum to three scoops of
Speaker 1: ice cream.
Speaker 4: Just three squeezes of Crests toothpaste into a vanilla milkshake.
Speaker 1: How hard could it be?
Speaker 4: It's even colored like toothpaste. Jamie, what is something you
Speaker 4: think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the Snoopy Museum, but I've already
Speaker 1: talked about Okay, so no, I was gonna say children.
Speaker 1: I've got more than there was a third docent. In general,
Speaker 1: children's show hosts, I feel like are are underrated, and
Speaker 1: not among parents of young children. But I just have
Speaker 1: been thinking about children's show hosts more recently a lot
Speaker 1: because of miss Rachel, who is like just really doing
Speaker 1: the good work in a way that it seems like
Speaker 1: absolute nobody else is kind of in that space right now.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how challenging. I know that like her
Speaker 1: home got swatted, like it just sounds like it's been
Speaker 1: diver But yeah, but the way that she's been advocated
Speaker 1: for Palestinian kids is just like really amazing. And again,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like other people in that space
Speaker 1: have been speaking up, certainly not to the same degree.
Speaker 1: And so I've just been thinking a lot about how,
Speaker 1: you know, and how that feels. So mister Rogers, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that that is the other person who really comes
Speaker 1: to mind where it's like someone that was willing to,
Speaker 1: you know, put their career in the line in order
Speaker 1: to walk the walk. So I's just thinking about her
Speaker 1: and then unrelated, in a far more low stakes endeavor,
Speaker 1: my niece recently got a cameo from the current host
Speaker 1: of Blues Clues Wow, and it like changed her life
Speaker 1: like it And it actually it freaked me out too,
Speaker 1: because I got this video from my cousin that was
Speaker 1: like this Blues Clues house that we've seen a million times,
Speaker 1: Josh shout out to Josh Dela Cruz. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you must know, Josh.
Speaker 4: I think I read an article like I don't know
Speaker 4: it in the way that you would expect a person
Speaker 4: of the kids to know it. But I read an
Speaker 4: article when they made the switch between the blues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know about Josh in a way
Speaker 1: that makes no sense as a childless adult, I know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he does like cameos for like seventy five
Speaker 1: Bucks for kids where he literally just talks to your
Speaker 1: niece or nephew or child like like they're playing Blues
Speaker 1: Clues and it was the cutest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: She freaked out when he said her SEMPI noticed her
Speaker 1: and she sicked out. Wow, so underrated. Just you know
Speaker 1: children's media people work in overtime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, Jack, can I ask a parenting question?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: How do you decide which of the media as the
Speaker 3: kid gets to see as far as like like like
Speaker 3: not Blues Clues but something else or is it just
Speaker 3: the kid leads?
Speaker 4: It's like research, just talking to other parents who have
Speaker 4: like kids who seem like they're I don't know, like
Speaker 4: they're not like tweaking, you know, like that, like they're
Speaker 4: not like itching to like get on the iPad. And
Speaker 4: then just also it's just trial and then like seeing
Speaker 4: how they respond to the thing, and they're just like
Speaker 4: certain shows that my kids responded to, like it was
Speaker 4: junk food, you know, where it's just like, God, I
Speaker 4: need like another hit of that immediately, and then when
Speaker 4: you like turn it off, they're like mad at you
Speaker 4: and screaming. And then there's other ones where it's just like, oh,
Speaker 4: they seem like really like they took a good lesson
Speaker 4: to heart. And yeah, I think like Bluey is the
Speaker 4: best feels fast show. It's just so good. Oh good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: My nephew was watching some this like Frog and Toad
Speaker 3: show that's like it's on Apple and it just apparently
Speaker 3: the philosophy this is amazing to me. And but I'm
Speaker 3: sure no parents are surprised by this. It's like it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be like slow, bring your energy down, and
Speaker 3: it's literally just like it's like they'll just they like
Speaker 3: talk like the fucking like that Stephen Colbert old fashioned
Speaker 3: guy like sketch where they just say something long beat
Speaker 3: and then respond long beat and it's so so slow.
Speaker 4: It's so amazing. Yeah, it rules, which is how I
Speaker 4: always imagined that. It's like when you read those books,
Speaker 4: it just seems like they're really giving each other like
Speaker 4: some room to breathe, you know, So that's great to Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's truly delight. Guess we'll go outside today anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're starting to do podcasts. There's a good podcast, Grim
Speaker 4: Grimmer Grimmist that like retails the Grim Grim's brother the
Speaker 4: Brothers Grim Fairy Tales from a modern audience. But yeah,
Speaker 4: my kids are like obsessed with it. Yeah, and it
Speaker 4: also like, yeah, I think that's a good point. It's
Speaker 4: like a cool like energetically cooling, you know, as opposed
Speaker 4: to like cranking it up. And I like in the
Speaker 4: critiques I've seen from you know, the sorts of people
Speaker 4: who used to be consulted for making that like still
Speaker 4: work for Sesame Street but like the until they did
Speaker 4: some union busting, I guess. But like people with educational
Speaker 4: backgrounds who are experts on like, you know, how to
Speaker 4: make contem for children that isn't going to be bad
Speaker 4: for them. The thing that they talk about with a
Speaker 4: lot of the shit on YouTube is just that it's
Speaker 4: like overstimulation is like the thing that the kid will want,
Speaker 4: and it's also just like so so bad for them.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's the wild West out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're going to be fine. It's fine, nice stable world.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we're gonna blame it on. Yeah, YouTube videos.
Speaker 4: I blame this Rachel. Actually, Like if the children turn
Speaker 4: out fucked, they'll just blame mess Rachel.
Speaker 1: This poor lady can't catch a break.
Speaker 4: My god, Jesus, what is something you think is overrated.
Speaker 1: Engagement rings that cost over one hundred and fifty dollars?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I lost mine?
Speaker 4: Oh no, look so but there have you have you
Speaker 4: been on since you got engaged? Since you maybe not?
Speaker 4: I have been Congratulations, congratulations.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, this was actually and I promised to
Speaker 1: not bring up the Snoopy Musum after this. That was
Speaker 1: kind of the way we wanted to celebrate, was was that?
Speaker 1: But we got we got engaged shortly before the fires
Speaker 1: postponed significantly. But we you know, the Snoopy Museum was
Speaker 1: the big celebration, and boy did it deliver. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to lose my engagement ring.
Speaker 1: I like cannot be I cannot have something nice with
Speaker 1: me all the time, Like I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: I was feeling a lot of dread about it. I
Speaker 1: love the rate the replacement comes here today. I really
Speaker 1: like the ring it has, like it is a little
Speaker 1: it's a little eyeball with a bluestone in the middle.
Speaker 1: It looked great. It was really pretty. And then I,
Speaker 1: of course did lose it, like about a month ago,
Speaker 1: and I was in the trenches. I was really I
Speaker 1: was like going retracing my steps. I was hope he
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't going to notice. I didn't want him
Speaker 1: to be said or like, so I was just like
Speaker 1: running around Burbank weeping on whoever would listen, looking for
Speaker 1: this ring. And then I like two days later, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, where is it? And I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I think it fell off at the AMC Burbank when
Speaker 1: we went to see Prime Prejudice. I don't know where
Speaker 1: it went no, and he it was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it only costs like one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 4: So it's fun.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, like I can replace it,
Speaker 1: and because well, he was like, it's the ring you wanted,
Speaker 1: and I assumed you would lose it. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: so true. It was the ring I wanted and I
Speaker 1: did lose it, and so now I'm just getting another,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, I think ultimately we'll end up
Speaker 1: spending the amount of your average engagement ring on this
Speaker 1: ring over and over.
Speaker 4: Within thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: Would it makes sense to just bulk by like thirty
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to see how long this one's gonna last.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this one fit. That's key. It turns out,
Speaker 1: you guy, it has to fit you or it will
Speaker 1: fall off at the AMC. Burbank, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was so relieved because I was just terrified that
Speaker 1: he had like invested, like you know, I just was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was really scared. And then I realized through losing
Speaker 1: it that he actually knows me quite well, and that
Speaker 1: I could not be trusted with an expensive piece of
Speaker 1: jewelry because I've never had one, because I shouldn't have one, right,
Speaker 1: And then it turns out I didn't have one.
Speaker 4: True true testament to a fiance who knows their partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully he won't be upset for telling anyone, but
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: You've been put on blast.
Speaker 1: I grant I'm black, but it was. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: been more relieved because instead of.
Speaker 4: Putting it on your finger. You walk around bobbling it
Speaker 4: from place to place right like, I, how do you
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 1: Like because I'm so fidgety where I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: taking it off, putting it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so right now I've got a decoy one.
Speaker 1: Now now I have a decoy one.
Speaker 4: You have a decoy one to get yourself used to
Speaker 4: having it on, or you dkoy one to fake out
Speaker 4: your fiance.
Speaker 1: Well technically this was the decoy one was to just
Speaker 1: go on tour so that I was wearing a ring.
Speaker 1: I didn't want anyone to be like what you I
Speaker 1: don't know when people are really familiar, like what happened?
Speaker 4: Could trouble in Paradise? Yes, the first question of the
Speaker 4: reading Troubling Paradise, Jamie.
Speaker 3: Could you get like a plastic training ring to get
Speaker 3: yourself used to wearing a ring?
Speaker 4: This is a lot of men wear plastic wedding or
Speaker 4: engagement bands because they don't want to end up like
Speaker 4: Jimmy Fallon. You know, oh sure, keep boing yourself, Jamie.
Speaker 4: The two Jimmy's Jamie Lost Us or Jimmy Fallon who
Speaker 4: one time got drunk and or I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's officially part of the situation where I think I
Speaker 4: had to do with him, but he almost lost his
Speaker 4: finger because he fell and his wedding ring got caught
Speaker 4: on like the corner of something and it like almost
Speaker 4: ripped his dang finger off.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yeah, No, I was just at pride and prejudice.
Speaker 4: Prejudice just flipping your ring like.
Speaker 1: Literally raised raised my hand to like wipe my eyes
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, just.
Speaker 4: Ring. Yeah, just.
Speaker 1: No idea what happened. But shout out to the I
Speaker 1: think assistant manager of the AMC Burbank who was so
Speaker 1: nice about it. It helps me look through the theater.
Speaker 1: It was really sweet, but it wasn't there.
Speaker 3: So I am envisioning like a ring holder that's like
Speaker 3: a mannequin hand, but just with wedding like wedding ring
Speaker 3: copies stacked to.
Speaker 4: The very tip of it.
Speaker 1: Well, because I was like talking with with him and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what, I'm going to re order it,
Speaker 1: but like and I'll get it fit. But I was like,
Speaker 1: should I just not wear it out? And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the point of an engage for or
Speaker 1: wear it out. It's just you can't win. So they
Speaker 1: just have to like, you know, not cost more than
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. That's the key. That's my recommendation to anyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, blood diamond, a big blood diamond. Can you try that?
Speaker 4: Because that's cool to just have.
Speaker 1: Like, wait a second, I didn't think to ask worth
Speaker 1: tied up in blood diamonds a thing that.
Speaker 4: That represents you having been indirectly a part of a
Speaker 4: war crime.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna why no, I'm just going to keep
Speaker 1: giving this guy, this guy with an Etsy store one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars every few months and then uh,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get married. At some point.
Speaker 3: You you should really check in with the guy and
Speaker 3: just see if you can get like an increasing one
Speaker 3: percent discount on subsequent rings.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're gonna want to keep these measurements on
Speaker 1: on the books because you will be hearing from me again.
Speaker 3: Just just hit subscribe and save. I think it does
Speaker 3: flick you on every six months and.
Speaker 4: New ring king amazing. Well, congratulations again, We're thrilled for
Speaker 4: you and your fiance. And yeah, let's get into some news.
Speaker 4: So we wanted to do a quick international check, and
Speaker 4: there's a couple of big international stories happening. One is
Speaker 4: things are going bad in Russia. Have you guys heard
Speaker 4: about this Russia? So they've got this guy, Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump is master negotiator, and he was like,
Speaker 4: everybody needs to chill out. This guy and I are friends.
Speaker 4: He's a path. And now like Vladimir Putin's doing whatever
Speaker 4: he wants because he turns out he's like a dictator
Speaker 4: bent home world domination. Like basically everyone except Trump believed
Speaker 4: he was. And it's just like Donald Trump just keeps
Speaker 4: being like, Vladimir, stop it, Like he was really tweeted
Speaker 4: that a couple of weeks ago, really were literally on truth,
Speaker 4: said Vladimir stop it all caps, yeah, And now he's
Speaker 4: having to like do military exercises in on a Swedish
Speaker 4: island to be like we're we mean business, but for real,
Speaker 4: why aren't you returning my calls? Type thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know.
Speaker 3: Trump also is not a good negotiator, but this, I
Speaker 3: will just say, does have a wee bit of like.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 3: His goal is not to have Vladimir Putin stop it.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if a different way of looking at
Speaker 3: this is closer to like, oh, stop it Vladimir please.
Speaker 4: Right, just like you know, he does not give a ship, right,
Speaker 4: it feels like he has to. Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: The whole point is let let Vladimir cook. That's that's like,
Speaker 4: see where he's going with that.
Speaker 2: That's odd.
Speaker 3: That's one of Donald's you know, that's on his to
Speaker 3: do list is continue to let Vladimir cook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like similar situation in Gaza. Things have
Speaker 4: gone from horrifying in genocidal to somehow worse. In addition
Speaker 4: to openly targeting civilians who like once worked for the
Speaker 4: government and then like bragging when they assassinate like a civilian,
Speaker 4: you know, and then obviously every child that happens to
Speaker 4: be in the same building that they think they might
Speaker 4: be in. They have also cut off all food and medicine,
Speaker 4: and behind the scenes, Trump has repeatedly made promises and
Speaker 4: then failed to deliver, and made promises and failed to deliver.
Speaker 4: And he actually he promised he would get Israel to
Speaker 4: agree to a cease fire and end the Blackade in
Speaker 4: exchange for like the big valuable hostage now Alexander an
Speaker 4: American Israeli soldier, and Amos was like, all right, if
Speaker 4: you say so, and they released him, and that truly
Speaker 4: absolutely nothing was done, like not even the hint that
Speaker 4: something was going to be done, And yeah, it's I
Speaker 4: don't know. People have pointed out this is bad for everyone.
Speaker 4: You can negotiate if you don't like, actually do the
Speaker 4: thing you claim you're going to do. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: seems like we're continuing to have an American executive branch
Speaker 4: that like that. There's this quote from an Israeli cabinet
Speaker 4: minister that literally said, we're dismantling Gaza, leaving it in
Speaker 4: ruins with unprecedented destruction, and the world still hasn't stopped.
Speaker 4: The world still hasn't stopped us, which seems to be
Speaker 4: like that. There keeps being these quotes like about the
Speaker 4: challenge like that it's crazy. When they're talking about the
Speaker 4: Biden administration, they're like, it was weird. We were so
Speaker 4: surprised that they did pushback at all. They were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: go to it. We did not see that one coming.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I feel like there were some
Speaker 4: people who were like, well, anything is better than Biden,
Speaker 4: who seemed like absolutely committed to Zionist genocide, and it
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be getting better in any appreciable.
Speaker 1: Way, and then like there's been no real uptick in
Speaker 1: any sort of I mean, I know that there's been
Speaker 1: increasing efforts to you know, have people reach out to
Speaker 1: their like their their representatives, but that hasn't yet moved
Speaker 1: the needle. Really, like no one is saying anything many times.
Speaker 1: You know, how many days in a row have people
Speaker 1: done their five calls? And you know, people who whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nothing we don't know, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: alleged progressives don't do shit, they don't care or it's
Speaker 1: like inconvenient to take care and public figures too, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I think it's so frustrating that like, you know,
Speaker 1: people who sort of issued these weird wishy washy bided
Speaker 1: administration coded statements over a year and a half ago
Speaker 1: and almost two years ago are sort of are are
Speaker 1: really quiet when there's images of children being killed every
Speaker 1: day coming out, it's just like it it is the
Speaker 1: most depressing thing in the entire world. I feel like,
Speaker 1: there's it's really cool, see, I mean, I like, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the only public figures that really like come straight to
Speaker 1: mind are like romy Yousev, Miss Rachel, Miss Rachel, the
Speaker 1: Irish punk band Kneecap like three very disparate uh personalities,
Speaker 1: but like but it's just it's it's really uh Yeap.
Speaker 4: Was one of the members of MECAP was just charged
Speaker 4: with like terroorism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and like Hassan Piker was held at the border,
Speaker 1: like it's just like absurd.
Speaker 4: And then following the murder of the two people who
Speaker 4: worked for the Israeli embassy, like the Hassan Piker's name
Speaker 4: was all over the news last weekend, people being like
Speaker 4: this person needs to be completely deplatformed and you know,
Speaker 4: essentially arrested for you know, which yeah.
Speaker 1: Which of course there's like no grounds for it, but
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's it's I know that it's like
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly scary to like and it is also it's
Speaker 1: tough because it's like it's not a genocide that the
Speaker 1: government is complicit and is not something that we're going
Speaker 1: to post our way out of right And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just such a bleak.
Speaker 3: Politician thing is like, I mean, they didn't say anything
Speaker 3: under Biden. It's there like as far as like Democrats go,
Speaker 3: I don't know why air quoted democrats like Democrats go, yeah,
Speaker 3: like this is like it's not something that we like
Speaker 3: to think about or hear, but I think the evidence
Speaker 3: is pretty clear. This is just one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: thing they believe in, right, a genocide.
Speaker 4: So it's like it doesn't seem like it was an accident,
Speaker 4: like all the all the public from page stories where
Speaker 4: Biden is like banging his dang head against the wall
Speaker 4: trying to get something done over here and you just
Speaker 4: can't get it done. Like all reporting since the administration
Speaker 4: has been like the I was like, whoa, this guy's
Speaker 4: really not true, never been true.
Speaker 3: But also that goes down to like I mean that
Speaker 3: that is part of the reason why this you know,
Speaker 3: calling your representatives, you know if you have a Democrat
Speaker 3: you know, congress person or senator. Like the reality is
Speaker 3: it's not that they I think it's not that they
Speaker 3: don't care, it's that this is their plan. This is
Speaker 3: plan a r happening. Yeah, like this is a place
Speaker 3: where they agree with Trump would be my is what
Speaker 3: the evidence suggests to me, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean yeah, because like the leaders of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: like there's never there's never been a point in their
Speaker 1: careers where it would be like they would have made
Speaker 1: a different choice as we saw as we saw, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I could keep going it Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I don't. Yeah, it's bad. I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, following the murder of the two people, it's
Speaker 4: just going to get worse.
Speaker 1: It's going to get so much worse. Yeah, for now,
Speaker 1: there's like there whatever, anyone who wants to make an
Speaker 1: example of someone has this example to point to.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, I feel like it's going to make
Speaker 1: I mean, not that protesting has already been so horrifically difficult,
Speaker 1: especially for students, but I feel like it's just going
Speaker 1: to get even harder.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I believe it's equally bad when innocent Palestinian children
Speaker 4: are mar as when innocent adults are mergered. But I
Speaker 4: feel like that's right. The mainstream media seems to have
Speaker 4: like some different conversion rate behind the scenes. Want to
Speaker 4: I want to see, like do they have the chart
Speaker 4: where they're like it's like ten thousand, it's like ten
Speaker 4: thousand Palestinian children. Is when it rises to the level
Speaker 4: of like a white guy in Minnesota or something, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even then completely you know, like children that
Speaker 1: just existed as avoid of context because the paper is
Speaker 1: reporting on them. Generally don't give the proper context to
Speaker 1: even help you understand why things are happening the way
Speaker 1: they are in the first place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the journalists who has taken a lot
Speaker 4: of the videos that you're talking about that are like
Speaker 4: one of the reasons that people are able to see
Speaker 4: what is actually happening was assassinated by Israel recently. So
Speaker 4: that's how they're choosing to deal with the fact that
Speaker 4: this is horrific and unpopular with anybody who sees what
Speaker 4: they're doing. Is just like, how do we make it
Speaker 4: so people aren't seeing what we're doing?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 4: talk about some bullshit when we get back. And we're
Speaker 4: back and you guys, right is ready for the mega
Speaker 4: TV revolution?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Should we just skip this one? Talk about the person
Speaker 4: who swam around Martha's binger for the Jaws. So, I mean, really, briefly,
Speaker 4: there's this Wired article about how the overall vibe in
Speaker 4: Hollywood is like not just trying to back away from
Speaker 4: DEI values because they're afraid of like being sued, but
Speaker 4: also they've like kind of focused on They're like Yellowstone,
Speaker 4: this Tim Allen show, that other Yellowstone show. I don't know,
Speaker 4: Tim Allen's got to have something else that it's overwhelming success.
Speaker 4: I mean they also talk about this reality show about
Speaker 4: like dating farmers wives or something. You know, what farmers
Speaker 4: farmer wants a wife or what armer wants a wife?
Speaker 4: Farm wife there?
Speaker 3: And is that like a porn parody of a fucking
Speaker 3: children's song?
Speaker 4: That's like what the I think that's I think that
Speaker 4: song actually is just like I don't know that that
Speaker 4: song says the farmer takes a wife, which is.
Speaker 1: Like, damn, I'm sure he did.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, but like I don't know, it's definitely happening.
Speaker 4: Their evidence, and this is something that we've seen and
Speaker 4: talked about on the show since the Sony Leaks. Actually,
Speaker 4: I don't think we had a show when the Sony
Speaker 4: Leaks happened. But I love talking about the Sony Leaks
Speaker 4: because are so funny, fucking wild, Like the guy who's
Speaker 4: like guys Denzel's my favorite actor, but the guy can't
Speaker 4: open a movie like Ahead of the Equalizer too, which
Speaker 4: was like a hundreds of millions of dollars box office success.
Speaker 4: But it's just what they do, is they focus in
Speaker 4: on the things that succeed that are in line with
Speaker 4: the thing that is going to be convenient for them
Speaker 4: to kind of evolve their projects towards. And so it's
Speaker 4: convenient for them to create anti DEI like pro quote
Speaker 4: unquote Heartland values content and believe that it's going to
Speaker 4: succeed more than things that are made for a diverse audience. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so this article kind of pisses me off because
Speaker 4: it's just like it does like kind of try to
Speaker 4: make the case. Well, it also is like, but this
Speaker 4: is dumb and like going to ruin TV. But it
Speaker 4: does like take their take some of their cases that
Speaker 4: like face value, like they're like Tim tim Allen's Shifting
Speaker 4: Gears about a grumpy widow or with Manisphere viewpoints is
Speaker 4: a ratings hit for Disney's linear broadcast audience, with more
Speaker 4: live viewers on average than The Connors season seven and
Speaker 4: Abbot Elementary season four, but like such a very specific
Speaker 4: so live viewers is people who choose to watch it
Speaker 4: linear television ABC, which the TV TV.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who watch Abbot Elementary,
Speaker 1: and none of them watch it during the broadcast. They
Speaker 1: watch it the next day on Hulu.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched a non sports broadcast other than I
Speaker 4: guess Game of Thrones the final episode because we had
Speaker 4: like a viewing party like as that happened, but.
Speaker 3: That I will just throw this out there. I mean
Speaker 3: maybe not you specifically, but even those that were like
Speaker 3: concurrent with the time were also on HBO Max right
Speaker 3: right at the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I don't think we like turned it on
Speaker 4: and we're like, Okay, we got to make it through
Speaker 4: the the credits of Fast and the Furious setting to
Speaker 4: like watch.
Speaker 1: This, Like yeah, I think, but this, Yeah, the presentation
Speaker 1: is kind of like making it this show look probably
Speaker 1: more popular than it actually actually is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like they talk about this dating show and they're
Speaker 4: like it pulls in an impressive like one point five
Speaker 4: million viewers, which like I don't know, like aren't dating show,
Speaker 4: Like they isn't The Bachelor, like the last thing that
Speaker 4: like puts up cheers numbers. Like so you're like you're
Speaker 4: just saying it out of context, but you're not like
Speaker 4: which is obviously a niche hit that would be you know,
Speaker 4: like compared to a mainstream dating show hit. Like that's
Speaker 4: the thing that like I feel like happens with these
Speaker 4: stories like they they they talk about how in the
Speaker 4: article they talk about how Sinners is like this massive
Speaker 4: hit that like should point people to. No, people still
Speaker 4: want like stories told from diverse perspectives about different things
Speaker 4: that aren't just like right wing Christian values. But they
Speaker 4: don't like bring up, for instance, the thing that like
Speaker 4: everybody was like so amazed by was that Sound of
Speaker 4: Freedom movie, which I think ended up being like the
Speaker 4: thirty second most successful movie at the box office the
Speaker 4: year it came out. Like it's like not it was
Speaker 4: like a hit again. It's like it's like when we
Speaker 4: talk about the you know, woke pope, he was like
Speaker 4: had progressive values for a pope. It's like this was
Speaker 4: successful for being Christian right wing entertainment, which is a
Speaker 4: small niche portion of the I.
Speaker 3: Will also say just not to like so in the
Speaker 3: notes in this document here, there's a sentence that says
Speaker 3: box office is a kind of unfakeable right, and I
Speaker 3: will just say that is not true, Like right right
Speaker 3: ticket specifically is was like a movie, and all those
Speaker 3: like right wing movies are movies where like you know,
Speaker 3: rich people, rich right wing you know billionaires will just
Speaker 3: buy out theaters that are either empty or those tickets
Speaker 3: are given to people for free. So they're parents that'll
Speaker 3: just bring you know, their kids to whatever. That fucking
Speaker 3: weirdo Jesus movie that came out recently was because it's free, right,
Speaker 3: like the Jesus cartoon that came out recently.
Speaker 1: Made for like church field trips.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also they will just play to empty theaters,
Speaker 3: like or nearly empty theaters. So so just a teeny
Speaker 3: tiny pushback on the idea that box office is unfeable.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely yeah, that's definitely fair. They're definitely like juicing
Speaker 4: those numbers, and even the juiced numbers are like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be like a mid sized hit that people
Speaker 4: if it were made by a black director. Variety or
Speaker 4: the Hollywood Reporter would be like, still hasn't made its
Speaker 4: money back? Sinners.
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, Sinners might lose money even though
Speaker 3: it's been number one at the box office three weeks
Speaker 3: in a row, Like it's how I mean after it's.
Speaker 4: Like weekend that like broke, like was double what they
Speaker 4: were predicting for it. They're like, still isn't made with money?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean the other thing about it, Listen, the
Speaker 3: only way the entertainment media could be more transparently right
Speaker 3: wing is if they were like Sinners is the top
Speaker 3: grossing movie with a clan member in.
Speaker 4: It time, That's right.
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's it's is like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how how long you guys have been like noticing this,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like really abrupt backslide. But it's just
Speaker 1: like so it's like comparing you know, this point in
Speaker 1: the first Trump administration to now where it felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just been made very clear that any
Speaker 1: level of diversity was seen as an industry trend versus
Speaker 1: a commitment to doing anything, because you know, the second
Speaker 1: the re election happened, they're like, well we we we
Speaker 1: tried the first time and it didn't work, so we
Speaker 1: just made like stuff instead.
Speaker 3: The thing that is I think worth pointing out about Hollywood,
Speaker 3: the people who run Hollywood, is that DEI was not
Speaker 3: of value.
Speaker 4: It was a r maneuver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yea trend.
Speaker 3: The things they're making now are what these people believe
Speaker 3: in and always have. They were just you know, trying
Speaker 3: to diversify their portfolio.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, when it's somebody else's point of view that's
Speaker 4: being made they turn it into like a thing that
Speaker 4: sounds like corporate boiler plate DEI. But then with this stuff,
Speaker 4: it's heartland. It's Heartland entertainment. Like come up with if
Speaker 4: you like fucking focus group, which I'm sure they did,
Speaker 4: like the best way to describe the bullshit content that
Speaker 4: they're going to start investing in.
Speaker 3: The Other thing I will just say is having in
Speaker 3: my twenties worked for tech startups and a TV network.
Speaker 3: This this like the way they just like torture statistics
Speaker 3: to say what they want to, what they.
Speaker 4: Already believe in.
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, like these like alleged like objective masters of
Speaker 3: the universe who just see data and act on it.
Speaker 3: Like the fact that they need to like say, like
Speaker 3: more live viewers with the live audience, you know, linear broadcast.
Speaker 3: It's so pathetic and it is very depressing that this
Speaker 3: works on people at all. It's just like how stupid
Speaker 3: do you have to be to believe this? Like truly,
Speaker 3: it's just like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Linear broadcast audience? Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, throwing words at people and trying
Speaker 1: to confuse them. I don't know, I pitched something around recently,
Speaker 1: and someone at an unnamed network was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like we'll just kind of see what happens,
Speaker 1: uh not as many people are kind of like doing
Speaker 1: doing the woman thing. I think was the phrase that
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, doing the woman's thing, and like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it's it's funny because it has to be, but
Speaker 1: you're just like I have also been kind of surprised
Speaker 1: at how like open I feel like people in like
Speaker 1: Hollywood spaces have been about the fact that, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not doing that anymore. But it was it was not
Speaker 1: it was nice. Hope hope you enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like they just tell the story that
Speaker 4: is convenient for them to tell, you know, So like
Speaker 4: with gods, it would be convenient if people didn't actually
Speaker 4: care or if like the thing wasn't actually happening, and
Speaker 4: so they just like don't really cover it as though
Speaker 4: it were happening. And with the you know, the future
Speaker 4: of media, like it's they will get fired if they
Speaker 4: tell stories that are you know, critical of the Trump administration,
Speaker 4: and so they just don't and then pretend that stories
Speaker 4: that are like within the values that Trump wants to
Speaker 4: promote are are successful. You know, until they can't pretend otherwise.
Speaker 4: The thing that is.
Speaker 3: Sort of nice that is a tiny silver lining that
Speaker 3: unfortunately many people's like lives and careers will be destroyed
Speaker 3: in the meantime while this catches up is that you know,
Speaker 3: this is another instance of the like facts don't care
Speaker 3: about your feelings crowd. They will run into the fact eventually,
Speaker 3: which is that you know, there is a limited audience
Speaker 3: for this type of stuff, and sinners, things like Sinners
Speaker 3: prove that there is. Literally they're throwing away opportunity cost
Speaker 3: by not green lighting things like that, and you know
Speaker 3: they are losing money, They are leaving money on the table.
Speaker 3: That I mean, even like the lower brow targeted things
Speaker 3: like Fast and Furious movies are a huge hit, and honestly,
Speaker 3: like a big part of that is because there it's
Speaker 3: like a nearly United Colors of Benetton level like box casting,
Speaker 3: and they're in their cast, but it's there and it
Speaker 3: works and people want to see that. And until they
Speaker 3: can compel you to spend money on media that you
Speaker 3: may or may not want to watch, like, those will
Speaker 3: always be hits and they'll always be Oh, Hollywood, couldn't
Speaker 3: have seen it coming.
Speaker 1: But they're such a big precedent for this, yeah, with
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler movies alone, Like it's yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw The Sinners this weekend and it was
Speaker 4: like full. The theater is full, like you know a
Speaker 4: weekend where like it's in sixth place and people are like,
Speaker 4: when is Sinners going to come out on vod It's
Speaker 4: like people are still going to the theaters in mass
Speaker 4: to like see it, And I mean that yeah, like Sinners,
Speaker 4: I think Fast and Furious is a great example. And
Speaker 4: then like the counterpoint, like when I'm talking about like
Speaker 4: it being unfakable, let's say I get it's clearly not
Speaker 4: like they They're definitely able to like if they have
Speaker 4: a thing that some people are interested in seeing, they
Speaker 4: will you know invest in that. They will take church
Speaker 4: donations and like buy up theater seats just to you know,
Speaker 4: amplify it. But like The Daily Wire also tried to
Speaker 4: launch a film studio in the past couple of years
Speaker 4: and literally like it was like made thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 4: of like them just like buying up individual theaters like
Speaker 4: that that they probably just like paid for themselves because
Speaker 4: there's just not an audience where it's like so much
Speaker 4: like streaming content and shit like that, Like people will
Speaker 4: continue to like make the stuff that is like not
Speaker 4: risky for them to make and just like pay for
Speaker 4: it and then it just like goes and disappears into
Speaker 4: some fucking digital void. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, some daily Wire
Speaker 4: movies that are super underrated classics is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 3: But like, also like there is a way to make
Speaker 3: a like you know, Passion of the Christ, you know,
Speaker 3: is not a or whatever. It's a movie that normal
Speaker 3: people were like, oh I will see this. Yeah, also
Speaker 3: a bunch of writing freaks, but like normal people also
Speaker 3: were like I want to see this.
Speaker 4: You know what else We were talking about passionately Christ
Speaker 4: just last week, not because.
Speaker 5: As a party and because we think everybody should go
Speaker 5: back and give it another chance, because it actually about
Speaker 5: it's supposed to be like a Jesus going to Hell
Speaker 5: to like fight his way out of hell, like basically
Speaker 5: the South Park movie.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's or Doom.
Speaker 3: It's sort of the plot of Doom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's sound like Mel Gibbs was like, it's
Speaker 4: a psychedelic it's like an acid trip. Man. But the
Speaker 4: thing that our writer Jam was pointing out last week
Speaker 4: was that The Passion of the Christ like was actually
Speaker 4: you could view it as just being an early film
Speaker 4: in the torture core movie. Like it was like right
Speaker 4: at the kickoff of like the song Yeah, like Costal
Speaker 4: and all those movies, Like it was the first of those,
Speaker 4: so like you could just be like actually, like people
Speaker 4: were you know, being told to go see it because
Speaker 4: of their church. But then it was also just the
Speaker 4: first movie where it was like nothing happens except somebody
Speaker 4: is just like badly hurt repeatedly for like an hour,
Speaker 4: and you just like watch it. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's one theory.
Speaker 1: I still think, you know, the most the most religious
Speaker 1: I've ever been is watching Jesus Christ Superstar on a
Speaker 1: loop for an entire summer. But it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Jesus Christ. It was really all Superstar that
Speaker 1: I was there for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was all the Superstar. Come for
Speaker 4: the Superstar.
Speaker 1: They get you with the Jesus Jams, they get you
Speaker 1: with the Jesus Christ. But I do think I was
Speaker 1: talking about Jesus Christ Superstar with someone recently and it
Speaker 1: was like for all of the time I spent watching it,
Speaker 1: it did not change my relationship to Christianity whatsoever. Was
Speaker 1: still very disinterested and ambivalent towards it. But I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus was an interesting guy. He could really
Speaker 1: hit some higher notes than you would expect.
Speaker 4: And all grand was incredible. You are one of my
Speaker 4: favorite people to hear, write and think about fame though,
Speaker 4: and so you dropped the Jesus Christ, but you you
Speaker 4: know the superstar part of it.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if any execs from the Daily Wire
Speaker 3: studios are listening, I am going out with my pitch
Speaker 3: for Jesus Christ to influence her just any time.
Speaker 4: Very good. That could be very good. It's gritty and violent.
Speaker 4: Jamie Loftus, what a pleasure having you on the Daily.
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist always great to be back. You gotta go to Harrisburg, Jack.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking up where I just threw up a little
Speaker 4: bit o thinking about Harrisburg. Where can people find you?
Speaker 4: Follow you all naked stuff?
Speaker 1: You can find me and follow me really on Instagram
Speaker 1: and Blue Sky, I guess would be the places at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, I'm at just under my full name
Speaker 1: at on Blue Sky and an Instagram at Jamie crist Superstar.
Speaker 4: Look at that like that.
Speaker 1: That's Brent's synergy. You can also find me physically at
Speaker 1: the Snoopy busy. I'm in Santa Rosa, fucking just hanging
Speaker 1: my membership card to come in. I can't wait.
Speaker 3: That's so cute whatever on the card.
Speaker 1: All of it's so cute. I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: Is there another museum and research center with a fucking
Speaker 4: ice rink in the middle of it?
Speaker 1: It's got I hope so.
Speaker 4: But I don't think Wwayne Gretzki one or something, but
Speaker 4: this one's such a nice surprise.
Speaker 3: It would be nice to get on the ice and
Speaker 3: just get board checked so.
Speaker 1: Hard I've been. They do like annual holiday ice shows,
Speaker 1: so I was like, we.
Speaker 4: Gotta go back.
Speaker 1: We've got limitless opportunities to go.
Speaker 4: Oh. I love it when Snoopy skates. It's so me too.
Speaker 1: He's so good at it. Yeah, so that's you can
Speaker 1: find me there soon, I hope.
Speaker 4: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, let's what Actually, I it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a book of going old school.
Speaker 4: Wow, the oldest form of media besides scrolls.
Speaker 1: But I am I am revisiting a book I'd never
Speaker 1: read before, but I feel like I've read sections of
Speaker 1: over and over for years. No Logo by Nami Klein.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, often quoted, but I just have never really
Speaker 1: sat down with it. But I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a gen xers Bible of sorts,
Speaker 1: but I've never actually read No Logo and I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of it, and it's just like it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that you probably already know about
Speaker 1: about branding and also just about manufacturing in general. But
Speaker 1: it was written in nineteen ninety nine, and what's been
Speaker 1: like the most interesting part of it for me is
Speaker 1: just seeing how she will present these ideas as very
Speaker 1: new where now it's like very Americanized ideas of like
Speaker 1: contractors versus employees, outsourcing, manufacturing versus owning anything to like say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just all of these things that are
Speaker 1: she's describing in these communities in Sri Lanka and Indonesia
Speaker 1: are what our friends in the US are dealing with now.
Speaker 1: So real upper real good vibes coming off this book.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna leave uplifted, You're gonna be crying
Speaker 1: tears of joy. But it's really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's wild to read like books from the
Speaker 4: late nineties that are like a paranoid masterpiece and it's like,
Speaker 4: oh no, this is just this is.
Speaker 1: Just what we live in, pretty straightforward, like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like this is literally just how uber drivers are forced
Speaker 1: to work out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's great recommendation. And t is there a
Speaker 4: working media you've been enjoying? And where can people find you? Uh?
Speaker 3: Andrew Tea on places? I have been watching. The new
Speaker 3: season of this British show called Taskmaster is on the
Speaker 3: play they're putting on YouTube, I think as it goes
Speaker 3: out now, and it's a it's a very silly show
Speaker 3: that where like a panel of stand ups through a
Speaker 3: season do these like very it's basically like like children's games,
Speaker 3: not as in like you know, Monopoly or whatever, but
Speaker 3: it's like if an eight year old made up a
Speaker 3: game for you on the spot and you just had
Speaker 3: to do it and take it seriously. It's like a
Speaker 3: whole show of that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: And this season Jason Manzukus is one of the Yes,
Speaker 3: role weird.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it yet. That's so weirdly it makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. Yeah, I think they figured it out,
Speaker 1: it made sense.
Speaker 3: If if an American comedian should have been on it,
Speaker 3: I will just say I would have voted for Paula Tompkins.
Speaker 3: But for sure Jason Manzukus makes plenty of sense as well,
Speaker 3: and it's really good. The one thing about actually speaking
Speaker 3: of do I I will say like British TV does
Speaker 3: a much better job of just casting a wider array
Speaker 3: of types of people, and the show is a great
Speaker 3: example of that as well. But yeah, it's they're putting
Speaker 3: it on YouTube, I think concurrent to when it comes out,
Speaker 3: so it's it's handy for me.
Speaker 4: I feel like Jason man Zukes always likes the stuff
Speaker 4: that I like because he's obsessed with me. No, just
Speaker 4: we have very similar media and I'm assuming you like
Speaker 4: went on that show because he likes it, so yeah,
Speaker 4: apparently he like he.
Speaker 3: Just cold emailed the showrunner and was like, hey, can
Speaker 3: I do the show?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Normally it's British people that are just due the round
Speaker 3: of panel shows, but sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but they're like, well, since you asked so nicely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore, Obrian on
Speaker 4: Blue Sky at jack Obe the number one workimedia i've
Speaker 4: been in doing is Sinners. Have you guys seen Sinners? Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, that's good. That's like a good It's like
Speaker 4: a good movie. And then it has that like I
Speaker 4: just I'm so glad I saw it before it left theaters.
Speaker 4: The yeah, the music whatever happens in that one scene
Speaker 4: in the middle and is an Irish ass jig for
Speaker 4: you so many Oh my god, I had to I
Speaker 4: had to hold myself down from getting up and jigging
Speaker 4: in the aisles. That's the music part I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: like that one scene. Yeah, of course I'm talking about
Speaker 4: the Irish the jig, you guys, the fucking jig. But yeah,
Speaker 4: there's it's you. You really have to see it, I
Speaker 4: was saying on yesterdays training. Unless you have like the
Speaker 4: most amazing like sound system, the sound is just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the way it like kind of moves around the theaters
Speaker 4: like so fun and cool, and that's just do you
Speaker 4: feel like you're high a little bit.
Speaker 1: It looks so beautiful. So many movies look too ugly.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I should do that more, like make a thing
Speaker 4: that looks really good, you know, instead of like shit
Speaker 4: me crazy anyways, you can find us on Twitter and
Speaker 4: Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist, where at the Daily Zeitgeist
Speaker 4: on Instagram you can go to the description of the
Speaker 4: episode wherever you're listening to it, and there you will
Speaker 4: find the footnotes, which is where we link off to
Speaker 4: the information that we talked about in today's episode. We
Speaker 4: also link off to a song that we think you
Speaker 4: might enjoy. With Miles out, we like to ask super
Speaker 4: producer Justin Connor, Justin, is there a song that you
Speaker 4: think the people might enjoy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this song is a little bit different from what
Speaker 6: I usually recommend, although I have suggested a song from
Speaker 6: this band before. They're a Chicago based group called Slow Pulp,
Speaker 6: and this song has a fun grunge type of element
Speaker 6: mixed into it.
Speaker 2: They have kind of like a faramor vibe. But this
Speaker 2: song compares.
Speaker 6: Romance to feeling like a summer hit that you keep
Speaker 6: playing on repeat in your head.
Speaker 2: And I love the singer's voice.
Speaker 6: And at about like one minute and thirty nine seconds
Speaker 6: into the song, it sounds like she's saying my name
Speaker 6: really intently, which I love. I've looked it up. She's
Speaker 6: not saying my name, but it's it's very close. It
Speaker 6: sounds like just Justin is being whispered into my ear
Speaker 6: and I love it. So this track is called Slugs
Speaker 6: by Slow Pope, and you can find that in the
Speaker 6: footnotes Slow Pope, slow Pulpe, Sorry p.
Speaker 1: U lp Yes, okay, so slow Pope is still available
Speaker 1: as a band name.
Speaker 4: Pope is yeah, yeah, because that would be amazing if
Speaker 4: they're called slow Pope and they were from Chicagoo.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I hope the way I pronounced Pope isn't
Speaker 6: some like Midwestern ething that I like fucked up and
Speaker 6: now people are gonna I.
Speaker 4: Don't think it's just where my brain went. Yeah. No,
Speaker 4: it's this pope who we just got is from Chicago,
Speaker 4: and I've never seen him run the forty. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's what what kind of foot
Speaker 4: speed he's working with?
Speaker 2: The should make him race to be the pope next to.
Speaker 4: The conclave, shouldn't the NFL combine style in full robe
Speaker 4: if you got to wear the hat and then see
Speaker 4: like what hell what your standing vertical leap is?
Speaker 1: It just saddens me that our pope is probably anti
Speaker 1: ketchup if he's a real Chicago Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I co sign that, but I will defer
Speaker 2: to you for all things hot.
Speaker 3: Wait, do Chicagoans hate ketchup on everything?
Speaker 4: On everything?
Speaker 3: Or just hot dogs? Uh?
Speaker 2: No, everything.
Speaker 6: It's it's looked at as like a kid. Yeah, anything
Speaker 6: anyone over the age of like five, And.
Speaker 1: That's always the Chicago rash Atale is like, what are
Speaker 1: you five years old? Are you little baby?
Speaker 6: And I was like, come on, yeah, I've been indoctrinated.
Speaker 2: I can't help it.
Speaker 6: I co sign this, but uh yeah, I can see
Speaker 6: a wall there and I will try to jump that
Speaker 6: at some point, but it's it's hard for me to
Speaker 6: get over there.
Speaker 4: Ketchup so much, it's so good. What's your favorite? Like,
Speaker 4: what's the one thing? If you you were only allowed
Speaker 4: to have ketchup on one thing for the rest of
Speaker 4: your life. Andrew Chili Crab Baby. I went to a
Speaker 4: how pop up that was listen. It was very good.
Speaker 3: I don't know the pop up, but I went to
Speaker 3: this restaurant that people are.
Speaker 4: Excited about it. I'm not going to name because there's
Speaker 4: this little.
Speaker 3: Criticism, but they made a take on Singapore Chili Crab.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. I think they were trying to like,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Like upscale it a little bit, and it was very
Speaker 3: clear that the sauce did not have the actual most
Speaker 3: important ingredient, which is just fucking heinz ketchup.
Speaker 4: And it was like nicer, but it was like I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, my ketchup. Yeah, brutal pines and coca cola,
Speaker 4: the two things that like capitalism has. It's like we tried,
Speaker 4: we really just like can't do better than one. Like
Speaker 4: you guys, you guys did did it best?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 3: They took the cocaine out and it's still good, which
Speaker 3: really says something.
Speaker 1: It speaks rarely the case.
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