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Speaker 1: many decades more to live and many more things that

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Come back soon, all right. Mike Slater

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Speaker 1: I Twenty eight year old Bridgid clean Simpson has identified

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Speaker 1: she was initially welcomed, but after one workout, she was

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was extreme, extreme devastated. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: really no other word for it. Joining me now my

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Speaker 1: friend Mike's later post of the Politics by Faith podcast,

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Speaker 1: Mike Jesus is coming back like any minute now, right,

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Speaker 1: I hope, so it'll be so much better. I don't

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Speaker 1: and silly. But we have some really bad stuff still

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Speaker 1: to come. We've got obvious ones, like they still have

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Speaker 1: to normalize pedophilia, that's next. That's been done before. They're

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Speaker 1: going to make abortion more of a public ritual sacrifice,

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Speaker 1: that's been done before. They still have to completely take

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Speaker 1: go to jail. That's obviously happened many more times before.

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Speaker 1: You know. In Nigeria right now, no one's talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Of all the Christians who are martyred in the world

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Speaker 1: get a lot worse here than that. Dude, if he's

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Speaker 1: some chick, Oh good, well, I'm glad to see we're

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Speaker 1: still You said before, Jesse, you said sorry in a row.

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Speaker 1: You said before that the left would freak out over

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and one of your points, if I'm correct,

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Speaker 1: was listen you people on the left, you have no

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Speaker 1: It's the next strong man who gives rise to the

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Speaker 1: Those are the people who are going to be knocking

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Speaker 1: on your door and dragging you to the gluelog. That's

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Speaker 1: that's what real tyranny is. Those people who thought Trump

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Speaker 1: was a tyrant, what a joke. They have no clue

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Speaker 1: what is still to come, And they have no People

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Speaker 1: who are ignorant have no clue what they're playing along

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Speaker 1: with when they go along with that guy, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's just be nice to him because you know he

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Speaker 1: thinks he's a woman. Okay, you have no idea what

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Speaker 1: game you're playing. No. I actually am trying to get

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Speaker 1: through to them on this mic. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they can't see it. The history of the world says

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Speaker 1: many people in this country who don't want to live, work,

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Speaker 1: and worship around that, and they'll simply choose whatever or

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Speaker 1: most wicked expressions that people accept to be true is

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Speaker 1: the ends justify the means. It just rolls off the time,

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Speaker 1: and everyone could just say it and like the don't

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Speaker 1: even think about No, that's not true. You cannot achieve

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Speaker 1: moral ends through im moral means. I believe that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: But they'll justify anything. Anything they got to do, they'll

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Speaker 1: you know, we had to protect freedom of speech because

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Speaker 1: Of course you can, especially if there's a fire. These

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Speaker 1: people there's wrong. That's an inaccurate statement. Of course you

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Speaker 1: can do that. You must do that, and we don't

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Speaker 1: But these people have no idea what's coming, and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna smack them in the face. It'll be too late, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't they have any idea what's coming, because I look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly a learned man, but I can read,

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Speaker 1: and history books tell the story of what's coming, of

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Speaker 1: human nature, of how societies go. And yet today, I mean, shoot,

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Speaker 1: who it was, one of these crazy liberal lefty types

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Speaker 1: that say, hey, you can't just have freedom of speech

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Speaker 1: for everyone. There have to be limits on it. People

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Speaker 1: don't understand what they're doing. I don't again, I say

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Speaker 1: it all the time. Everyone wants to be nice. That's

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Speaker 1: the first thing. We'll put that aside. I think, literally,

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Speaker 1: not only do people not read, they can't Jesse. This

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Speaker 1: fact boggles my mind. Fifty four percent of Americans cannot

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Speaker 1: read at a sixth grade reading level. Huh. Half of

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Speaker 1: Americans can't like barely literate. So you have that, and

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Speaker 1: then beyond that, like, people aren't going to go out

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Speaker 1: supposed to read you're the bad guy, and no one

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Speaker 1: listen to, hard to read about, right, Like I gotta

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Speaker 1: read about like Holocaust and stuff. It's pretty dark. I'd

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Speaker 1: rather just be nice and watch a Netflix show. It's

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Speaker 1: way easier. And then I have to read about the

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Speaker 1: be the guy in the cast of Damer. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to do any of that stuff. Forget that. And

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Speaker 1: it's our education system, right, you know the Philadelphia School

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Speaker 1: District there letting the kids stay an hour. They're starting

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Speaker 1: is doing these days? Seventeen percent of their fourth graders

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Speaker 1: They're gonna learn about our history, of course not. It

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Speaker 1: is true. If you don't learn a history, you're doomed

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Speaker 1: to repeat it. That's true, all right, Mike. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: switch gears here. There was a massive earthquake Turkey and Syria.

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Speaker 1: The foot It's just been a brutal By the grace

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Speaker 1: of God, they're still finding people, but thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: of people dead. That brings a little perspective. Your podcast

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Speaker 1: is all about perspective that gives us sum doesn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Politics by Faith is the podcast if you can check

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Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, this is one of the hardest questions

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Speaker 1: of all time, right, like why do bad things happen?

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Speaker 1: Why is there suffering in the world? And I just

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Speaker 1: The name Israel, Jacob Israel. It literally means to struggle

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Speaker 1: with God. So it's okay to ask these hard questions

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Speaker 1: and to struggle with him. I actually believe God desires it.

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Speaker 1: So why do we have suffering? If you believe that

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Speaker 1: the purpose of life is constant prosperity and comfort, then

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Speaker 1: suffering is baffling, absolutely baffling. But the Christian worldview says

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Speaker 1: that the purpose of life is not comfort. The purpose

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Speaker 1: of life is to glorify God. So when you realize

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Speaker 1: that that's the purpose of life and bad things happen,

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Speaker 1: it can still draw you closer to Him. And that's

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Speaker 1: the point Now, if you're not a Christian, that's not

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Speaker 1: helpful at all, that's folly. But if you are a Christian,

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Speaker 1: then you can embrace suffering when it happens. So when

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Speaker 1: bad things happen, you can neither crush you and your

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Speaker 1: relationship with God, or it could bring you closer to him.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Dennis Prago. He said, the believer

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Speaker 1: in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a difficult question. You asked me, like a ridiculously

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Speaker 1: I have to account for that, and it's difficult. I'll

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Speaker 1: struggle with it. I'll do the best I can. But

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Speaker 1: and everything else. So I'd rather be on the team

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Speaker 1: you see that the Christian worldview has all the answers,

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Speaker 1: including the peace and comfort that comes with knowing that

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Speaker 1: if things are not made right on this earth in

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Speaker 1: our life, they're at least made right in the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: And if you know Jesus, he said, don't worry man.

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Speaker 1: You have good, cheer, give good, should be a happy warrior.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, I have overcome the world and that's all

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Speaker 1: I need. Amen. Mike's later Politics by Faith podcast, Thank

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Speaker 1: you brother, Thank you man. We'll talk about veterans next,

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Speaker 1: helping them why they struggle hanging. Because for today we

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Speaker 1: began writing a new story, not a story of deep trauma,

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Speaker 1: a story of strength, story of being you again. Make

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Speaker 1: that choice, transformed the struggles of your past into the

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Speaker 1: Visit Bouldercrest dot org. That one was so well done

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Speaker 1: because it just clearly by somebody who would tell let

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Speaker 1: me you know what, let's ask Ken about it. Joining

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Speaker 1: me now, Founder and Chairman of the Bouldercrest Foundation. Ken.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to specifically what you do at your

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Speaker 1: wonderful organization, the ad itself hits home because haven't gone

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Speaker 1: through myself, probably still going through it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you and talking to these people,

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Speaker 1: it's so hard to come back and live a normal life.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem it doesn't seem like it should be

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Speaker 1: this way. Where you're you're you're with all your brothers

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Speaker 1: and you're fighting, and you're doing all these cool things,

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Speaker 1: and they make movies about the stuff you do and

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Speaker 1: then you're just an accountant, you're washing dishes, you're just

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Speaker 1: life doesn't have the same zip to it. That makes sense. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Thanks Jesse for having me on.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it does make sense. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's what most most veterans and what I would call

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Speaker 1: high performing people struggle with. This whole idea that I

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Speaker 1: have a friend of mine as a former NFL football player,

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Speaker 1: professions all struggle with this transition, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 1: high tempo war zone. And and and I think this

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Speaker 1: commercial really really says it all, you know, And that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's what we hope to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: And the reaction was, you know, this is hard, but

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Speaker 1: it can be done. And that's that's really our message

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Speaker 1: at Bouldercrest. Ken You're a twenty one year veteran of

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Speaker 1: the United States Navy retired Master chief petty officers. So

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Speaker 1: that is no small thing. How'd you do it? UM,

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. And I I you know, I

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Speaker 1: career supporting special operations units. And you know, I left

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Speaker 1: the Navy, you know, with a little bit of bitterness.

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Speaker 1: I left the twenty one years. I had this whole

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Speaker 1: plan to do thirty And because of that little bit

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Speaker 1: of bitterness, I think it helped me from having a

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Speaker 1: look back. I don't get me wrong. I mean all

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Speaker 1: during the war, I ran a business that helped soldiers

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Speaker 1: and Marines and you know, Navy guys and airman going

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Speaker 1: into combat. And I felt like I never really left

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Speaker 1: the community that I was a part of. UM and

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Speaker 1: I think that helped a lot. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a long way away from that now this year, this month, actually,

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Speaker 1: I've been out of the Navy as long as I

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Speaker 1: was in it, and UM and and there's not a

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Speaker 1: day that goes by. Tell people all the time, the

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Speaker 1: US Navy made me the man I am. I had

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Speaker 1: a great family, great father. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I left home when I was nineteen years old,

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Speaker 1: and and the Navy had a lot to do with

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Speaker 1: the way I am so I miss it. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of love for the military and

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Speaker 1: what you know, what the military does for this country.

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Speaker 1: But I never I never felt like it defined me.

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Speaker 1: And I was able to find that next thing and

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Speaker 1: that next purpose. And you know, Bouldercrest has been a

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Speaker 1: big part of that for me. What is Bouldercrest so

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Speaker 1: Boulder us? You know, if I go back a little

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Speaker 1: bit in time, my wife and I early in the

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Speaker 1: war started a charity today is known as the EOD

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Speaker 1: Warrior Foundation and EOD as Bomb Disposals, you know Jesse

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Speaker 1: Explosive Ordinance Disposal, and that charity is still running. I'm

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Speaker 1: not involved with it anymore. I had termed out of

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Speaker 1: my slot as the board chairman. But we founded that

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Speaker 1: organization and for about almost fifteen years we helped all

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Speaker 1: the severely injured EOD guys and gals physically injured primarily

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Speaker 1: and most of the ones who had been meta fact

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Speaker 1: back to the hospitals here in DC. When two thousand

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Speaker 1: and thirteen, we had the worst year in Afghanistan for

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Speaker 1: EOD amputees. I think, I think for the service in

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Speaker 1: general or for the EOD community specifically. And I had

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Speaker 1: retired by then, and my wife and I started bringing

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Speaker 1: families of these severely wounded guys out to our home.

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Speaker 1: We live in Blumont, Virginia, about an hour west of DC,

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Speaker 1: and we had a big house with two hundred acres

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Speaker 1: of land, and we could just see the joy that

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Speaker 1: getting away from the hospital is doing for these families.

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Speaker 1: And I came home one night, my wife and a

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Speaker 1: couple of our friends had this idea to donate thirty

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Speaker 1: seven acres of our land and build this beautiful facility.

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Speaker 1: And it's the nation's first privately funded wellness center for

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Speaker 1: combat veterans in their families, and a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago we included first responders in the mix. But it's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful place. Our largest donor in here in Virginia

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Speaker 1: was a man named mister Jim Clark, and mister Clark

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Speaker 1: passed away. His family gave us ten million dollars and

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Speaker 1: we opened up a second facility in southern Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: then with the help of many philanthropists, including the two

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Speaker 1: founders of the Home Depot, Bernie Marcus and Arthur Blank.

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Speaker 1: We've been scaling the work we do a Bouldercrest out

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Speaker 1: all over the nation. So you know, really what Bouldercrest

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Speaker 1: is is it's a movement to change the way veterans

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Speaker 1: and first responders get mental healthcare. And it's based on

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Speaker 1: the science of something called post traumatic growth at the

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Speaker 1: highest level. You know, basically that means what doesn't kill

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Speaker 1: us makes us stronger, and that we have to do

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Speaker 1: certain things to make sure that does come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: So that's what Bouldercrest is. It's kind of a place,

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Speaker 1: but really I think at the end of the day, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: at this point, you know, twelve years into this, I

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Speaker 1: think it's really becoming a movement to change the way

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Speaker 1: mental healthcare is done, you know, for our brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that so much. So what

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Speaker 1: do you do for him a boulder Crest? You just

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Speaker 1: check them a bottle of pills like the VA No.

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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, we're you know, we're pretty anti pharmaceutical,

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Speaker 1: but you know, there are some pharmaceuticals I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, people end up on just because they have to.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day. I was telling

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Speaker 1: somebody the other day, I think six of the eight

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Speaker 1: antidepressants have suicide of the side effect. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a mental health professional, though some days I

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Speaker 1: feel feel like one. I'm I'm really, you know, a

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Speaker 1: bomb disposal guy, and try to rational why somebody who

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Speaker 1: was depressed would put a pill into their body to

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Speaker 1: make a more depressed. It just has never sat well

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Speaker 1: with me. But you know, what we try to do

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Speaker 1: is incorporate the science of post traumatic growth, which is

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Speaker 1: best understood, in my mind, militarily wise by the prisoners

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Speaker 1: of war from Vietnam. I think that story really resonates

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Speaker 1: with you, our brothers and sisters. If you think about

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Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty years ago, five ninety one men

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Speaker 1: released from the Hanoi Hilton who came back to this country.

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Speaker 1: Their families were told to be prepared to institutionalize them

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Speaker 1: after their captivity. These men came back and have become

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Speaker 1: the most remarkable men in the world. And this is

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Speaker 1: a story of post traumatic growth. That trauma, deep trauma,

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Speaker 1: It can be overcome and you can go on to

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Speaker 1: do some amazing things and we see that story over

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Speaker 1: and over with prisoners of war, and that's really what

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Speaker 1: we do is really you know Stockdale, Jim Stockdale, who

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Speaker 1: was a commander at the time and retired Navy admiral.

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Speaker 1: His message to prisoners of war was returned with hope,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's really in return with honor, and that's

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Speaker 1: really what the Boulder Crest is all about. In our garden,

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Speaker 1: as a quote from Fucidities who was an Athenian War general,

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Speaker 1: and it says that we must remember that one man

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Speaker 1: is much the same as another, but he is best

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Speaker 1: who is trained in the severest of schools, and the

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Speaker 1: severest of school be in combat. And and it's powerful

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Speaker 1: right and I believe that. I believe that men and

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Speaker 1: women who fight for this country are are are forged

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Speaker 1: on the battlefield. But when you come home, you know,

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Speaker 1: a Sebastian Younger wrote about it in his book Tribe,

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Speaker 1: you know that it's not what you're coming home from,

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Speaker 1: it's what you're coming home too. Is disconnected society and

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00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the loss of brotherhood and sisterhood. And that's really what

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Speaker 1: we try to put back together at Bouldercrest, or these

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00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: innovative programs. How do people give to operations struggle? How

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00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: do people give if they want to give? Because I

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00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: get to look, I get emails every single day, Jesse,

756
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: how do I help? How do I help? I talked

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00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: about veterans last night and veteran suicide on my show, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: How do I do something about it? How did they help?

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Speaker 1: We want to help? Well, I you know, I tell

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Speaker 1: people all the time, there's kind of three ways to help.

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Speaker 1: The first way is just to share the news, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's a lot of people in this

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Speaker 1: country that can't afford to give money or their time,

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Speaker 1: but they can't afford to share the word and to

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Speaker 1: help spread the commercials, spread the spread the website through

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Speaker 1: your network. I think that's a big way of helping nonprofits.

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00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: The second way is to volunteer. I mean, every nonprofit,

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Speaker 1: including Bold Request, needs help. And you know, we have

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Speaker 1: volunteers at the individual level, at the corporate level, and

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Speaker 1: they do some amazing things for us. And volunteering not

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Speaker 1: only it's good for the organization, but it's good for

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Speaker 1: you as an individual. And then thirdly, you know, is

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Speaker 1: to donate money. I mean it's every penny that comes

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00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: into this organization is important and it gets spent on

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Speaker 1: the men and women that we put through the training.

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Speaker 1: So whether it's ten dollars or ten million dollars, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a big help to to this

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Speaker 1: organization to make sure that we can do what we're

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Speaker 1: what we're doing because everything we do here a Boulder

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Speaker 1: Crest is free of charge. I had a friend of mine, uh,

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Speaker 1: just a sidetrack a minute if a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: a Navy seal that I had served with, UH called

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Speaker 1: me the other day. I had one of his sailors

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Speaker 1: that needed some help, and he said, well, how much

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Speaker 1: does it cost? And I said, it's free? And he said,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean it's free? But it's but it is.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, thanks to the generosity of this country

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Speaker 1: and our our our donors, everything we do a Boulder

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Speaker 1: Crest is free to our our participants. I love that

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Speaker 1: Bouldercrest dot org. If you're interested in helping putting your

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Speaker 1: money where your morals are as, I like to say,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate you Ken, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: I have a good day, all right. I have final thoughts.

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Speaker 1: That's imagine having to bury your whole family hold on

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Speaker 1: this is it is actually more positive than that. I

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Speaker 1: bring that up because I was doing some reading yesterday

797
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Speaker 1: about the Black Plague, the Great Death and others. Just

798
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, the half of Europe dies, and you read

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Speaker 1: these horrible stories, stories that it seems like it's from

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Speaker 1: a movie. You read these horrible stories of you had

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Speaker 1: to run to another town to check on your cousin's family,

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Speaker 1: and you get back home and mom, dad, and your

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Speaker 1: baby brother have all died while you were gone. They

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00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: weren't even sick when you left there all dad, and

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Speaker 1: you have to come home and bury them Like That's

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Speaker 1: how normal people have had to live their lives at

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Speaker 1: various points throughout history. I didn't bring that up to

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Speaker 1: freak you out or bump you out or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I brought that up because it it helps give me perspective.

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Speaker 1: Right if you're looking around right now on the disaster

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Speaker 1: that is your country right now, and you're watching the

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Speaker 1: country you love crumble, become a late stage republic, crumble,

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00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: really all of our pillars. It's kind of crumbling and

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Speaker 1: going downhill, and you're lamenting in it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: it to be this way. I want it to be

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty again, or whatever you're saying to yourself. I

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Speaker 1: get it. It's okay to lament that. Always keep some perspective, though,

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Speaker 1: all right, Keep you chin up, Keith Marching. You're not

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Speaker 1: here by accident. We're meant to be here at this time.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you