1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Noel. Our compatriot Matt is 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: on adventures, but we'll be returning soon. They call me Ben. 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: to know. Longtime listeners, you know, we've been at this 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: for a while and every so often we run into 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: an episode that we can't believe we haven't covered yet. 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: One thing Matt pointed out a while back that that 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: I always loved thinking about was that this show has 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: become like one long conversation. So sometimes Matt Nolan, I 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: won't know if we've done an episode on something. We'll 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: think we have because we've talked about it at length, 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: just hanging out or on another episode or off air 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: at our favorite local bar. Right and favorite local bar, 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: the local the local yes, yes, uh? And don't blow 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: up the spot if you go to Atlanta You're more 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: than welcome to tell them we send to you, but 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: but don't don't tell everybody because we love the chicken 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: wings there. So, we were researching a secret project, and 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: we're researching some of the latest revelations about the US 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: government's uh secret obsession with UFOs that they totally lied 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: about for years. Uh And then no, I knew it 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: as something strange. We had talked about other alleged and 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: proven secret investigations of this sort, but there's there's one 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: we never dove into, and this is a story familiar 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: to a lot of our ufologists in the crowd. It's funny, 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking back, I'll just try and figure out 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: when I first heard of this, this story, this phenomenon, 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: and it's actually from my old hip hop days. There's 35 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: a cannabis song called Channel zero. I don't know if 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: have you ever listened to cannabis. No. It's funny that 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: when I was reading the the outline, I saw a 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: mention of a cannabis song and I thought it was 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: some sort of like cannabis themed folk song from your youth, 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: like you know, like a like a pizza song or 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: a spohetti song, you know, like it was cannabis No, 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the hip hop artist cannabis Us 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: though for the for the name, I'm not gonna it's great. 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: It's a different time. It was a different time. He 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: did a he did a lot of this tracks. Who's 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: known for his dense lyrical word play and his his 47 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: also his love of conspiracy theories. But if you hadn't 48 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: heard that song, you're not in the world of UFOs. 49 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: You may not be aware of this story. So here 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you go, Folks. Forget Project blue Book or the latest 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: release about U A p. S. From Uncle Sam. For 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: some people in the UFO community, the real investigation starts 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: and stops with a single shadowy cabal, as secret elite 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: group of military officers and politicians and scientists known as 55 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: the Majestic Twelve or m J m J twelve. So 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: here are the facts. First, le band beat me here, 57 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Paul the badger is out of the bag in a 58 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: big game way. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's true. 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: If you've ever listened to any of our earlier reports 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: or videos, you're very much aware of the US government 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: has been extensively collecting reports of unexplained aerial phenomenon for 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: many many years, and you know, like the government does, 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: they will likely continue to do so um without you know, 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: cluing us the public. And even that release that you mentioned, 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: Ben was kind of you know, the one that was 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: tailor made for consumption of US civilians. And likely there's 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: another one that's much, much, much more interesting that we 68 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: will never ever see. But it did contain some alarming revelations, 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: first and foremost of which was the explicit statement that 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: some of the sightings appeared to be controlled my some 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: kind of intelligent force. Um. It also noted that some 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: of the evidence might show that objects beyond the current 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: technological grasp of humanity might also be involved in this 74 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: is not to say just the United States, but literally 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: beyond the comprehension of anything that we as humans anywhere 76 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: in the world h could possibly understand or let alone build. 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: Um Like ever, Yeah, that's that's the spooky part. Of course, 78 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: being a government report, they spend a lot of time 79 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: asking for more money. Uh. The classified report that was 80 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: published in step with this one that only went to 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Congress is much longer, We know that much, and it 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: goes into many more details. But it was so weird 83 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: for this thing to come out when it the timing 84 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: was either perfect or hilariously unfortunate, because everybody who has 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: survived the past few months or so, you know, all 86 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: the stuff that went down, protests moved across this country. 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: In the world, natural disasters are accelerating, there's a global 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: pandemic that just does not show signs of stopping. And 89 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: so many people were likely less interested in this report 90 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: than they may have been in less turbulent times. But 91 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: I love the idea. I love the way that the 92 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: internet treated this. It came out and people just sort 93 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: of shrugged and said, all right, yeah, aliens, fine that 94 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. I got a lot of other stuff going on, 95 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: but fine, aliens, It's true. The Internet is a big place, 96 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: and so is the world of conspiracies, and many of them, 97 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, like we talked about all the time, are 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, provable? The government definitely is lying to us, 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: and uh, there's no reason to believe this isn't the 100 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: case here as well. But you know, it's sort of 101 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: like you start watching a TV series. You like it, 102 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: it's a good one, maybe get three four EPISO so 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: it's in, But then another shiny new one kind of 104 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: catches your attention and you move on. Uh, And sometimes 105 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: it's a while before you come back to that one. 106 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: But we are coming back to this one in a 107 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: big way. Um. Again, no one has officially claimed there's 108 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: any evidence of aliens, extraterrestrials or tiny, little green, great 109 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: gazoo type men. Um. Instead, the focus has seemed to 110 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: be more practical, uh, in terms of threat evaluation. Are 111 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: these sightings a threat? If so, a threat by whom? 112 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Who are they targeting? Um? And these are two very 113 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: important questions that, at least in the public sphere, have 114 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: seemed to become the focus of recent investigations. Unlikely you're 115 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: going to remain the primary motivations for similar investigations in 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: the future, at the very least on the part of 117 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: the government, as in so far as we know. Yeah. So, 118 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: if you look at it and you get past some 119 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: of the exciting window dressing, and you get past those 120 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: two big revelations we just mentioned about appearing to be 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: intelligent or steered by some sort of intelligence, and you 122 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: get past the revelation that humans possibly don't know what 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: technology is involved, it makes sense that these sorts of 124 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: investigations would continue because it's a matter of national security. 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: It's controlling airspace. It's all the mundane but very important 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: work that factions of the government do every day. But 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: make no mistake, fellow conspiracy realist. Ufologists often claim secrets 128 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: about the US government and UFOs in general do remain 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: hidden in the modern day. And the thing is that 130 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: they're right at some levels. They're right. There is that 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: classified report. It was released to Congress, and it has 132 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: much more than the ordinary American citizen was able to breed. 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: The belief in a government UFO team up, a conspiracy, collab, 134 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: a collapse, spiracy will works up. That is okay, all right, 135 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: thank you, you're too kind. This is uh, this has 136 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: long been ingrained in American consciousness ever since the UFO 137 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: creeze of the nineteen forties. Uh, stay tuned, by the 138 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: way for our upcoming episode on Men in Black. That's when, uh, 139 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, before Matt headed out on his his short adventure, 140 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: that's one of the ones that he really wanted to 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: be here for. We gave him, we gave him the choice, 142 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: like Majestic twelve, Men in Black choose one no hesitation, 143 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: no hesitation. So we're looking belt kind of situation and 144 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: it kind of was yeah, and our leather trench coats 145 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: I think looked good. I think it was a question 146 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: real quickly. But how does Morpheus a sunglasses stay on? 147 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I've never understood. I know you can like buy them, 148 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: but is it like just out of sheer matrix magic? 149 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: The only wears those when he's in the matrix. But 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, right, he's a digital avatar, so if anything, 151 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: he could have gotten crazier with it. But uh, but 152 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: this this idea, the idea that a government and some 153 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: kind of extra treshial force could be interacting in some level, 154 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: it's so ingrained that it has reached the level of 155 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: modern folklore. And this is where we get to one 156 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: less well known piece of UFO conspiracy folklore. It's the 157 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: idea that there is some shadowy cabal working in secret 158 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: to manage government relationships with extraterrestrials. In this theory, aliens 159 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: are real. The government knows about it and has interacted 160 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: with them, and to some degree. You know, sometimes they 161 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: rolled heavy with each other, sometimes they've had tents one 162 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: off encounters. But for some reason or another, Uncle Sam 163 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: absolutely does not want the public to know what's going down. Now, 164 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: have you you've probably heard of stuff like this before, 165 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: right now, Okay, Um, so this is a twofold question, 166 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I suppose, like I have I heard of the existence 167 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: of this group in particular? Yeah, I've definitely heard of it. 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: You guys did videos on this before I was involved 169 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: in the show to the degree that I am today. 170 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: But of course, I mean the notion that there is 171 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: some group of whether it be researchers or scientists that 172 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: are behind the scenes working with and or against the extraterrestrials, 173 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: whether this is a threat assessment situation, or whether we 174 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: are trying to harness you know, craft that have been 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: recovered in almost um, like the X Files movie kind 176 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: of way, or maybe like a Independent Stay kind of way. Absolutely, 177 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean this is you know, made its way, like 178 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: you said, Ben, into the folklore of UFOs, which is 179 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: a really great point that we talked about with Roderick Martin. Um, 180 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the idea of UFOs being kind of modern day folklore. 181 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, very much so. And this is where 182 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road, where the unobtanium hits the engine, 183 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: however you want to phrase it. Here's where it gets crazy. 184 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the legend. First, someone ask you 185 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: what is Majestic twelve. We're gonna tell you. Get ready, 186 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, track, open a beer or your favorite recreation 187 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: of choice. Take a seat. Here's the pitch. Majestic twelve 188 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: is a code name for top secret committee that was 189 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: formed in nineteen to advise on the recovery of alien spacecraft, 190 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: the best ways to investigate them, and how, perhaps most importantly, 191 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: to reverse engineer that technology. That's right. Also, the President 192 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: is involved, he knows about this. Again. In the framework 193 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: of this conversation, they also gave the president advice on 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: how to handle interactions with extraterrestrials, how to generate a 195 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: cover up, um to explain away all of these UFO sittings, 196 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: and potentially how to do a kind of slow reveal 197 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: of the truth to the public so as not to 198 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: cause panic, you know, or or alarm. Yeah. Yeah, this 199 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing, this shadowy think tank is supposedly so secret, 200 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: like above what you would consider top secret, above the 201 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: idea of compartmentalized information. Apparently it is so off the 202 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: books that the people involved and we'll talk about them 203 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: in a little bit. Uh, despite being prominent scientists, public figures, politicians, 204 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: lauded military officials. Not a one of them ever spoke 205 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: about this during their entire lifetime, And according to some theories, 206 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: in J twelve continues today, and it's continuing as kind 207 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: of a hybrid between a secret society and a brain trust. 208 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, by this point, you know, if it's still around, 209 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: they might even have like a few aliens in the squad. 210 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: They might have had some some new hires, you know, well, sure, 211 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean this is sort of this is is this 212 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: not kind of the partially the prototype for the idea 213 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: of the Men in Black and that's its own thing, 214 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: but it's a similar kind of posse. You know, it's 215 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: like the idea that you know, the Men in Black 216 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: in the movie they had aliens that were friendlies that 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: would hang out in the lab, you know, and they 218 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: had a registration sis them, you know, they had certain laws. 219 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: So if this is a real thing, it would be 220 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: so huge that it's tough to imagine how it could 221 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: be kept secret. And given let's just assume that's true 222 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: and it's real, if it's such a hush hush secret organization, 223 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: then how on Earth or in space are we able 224 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: to talk about it on a podcast today? We're gonna 225 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: pause for word from our sponsors, who may or may 226 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: not be aliens, and then we're going to start cracking 227 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: down and breaking apart the mystery of m J twelve. So, 228 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: like we said at the break, I hope you had 229 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: a good break. By the way, uh, top secret, above 230 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: top secret, not the website, but actually above top secret. 231 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: You've got these guys. I think we're nice enough guys, 232 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: but we don't have security clearances. We're talking about this 233 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: on a publicly available, free podcast. How did that happen? 234 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: When we answer this question, it also helps us examine 235 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: the true origins of Majestic twelve, and it gets us 236 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: closer to actually solving the mystery, which spoiler alert may 237 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: not work out the way we'd all like it too. 238 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: So here's how the story goes, And here's this story 239 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that in terms of how we know about MJ twelve today. 240 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Once upon a time, back in the day, there was 241 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: a documentary producer and author named Jamie Shandera, and Jamie 242 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Shandera received an anonymous envelope slipped through his male slot 243 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: classic beginning of a good X Files episode. That's right. 244 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: The envelope was postmarked from an address in New Mexico 245 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: and contained nothing but an undeveloped role of thirty five 246 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: millimeter film. And thankfully Shandera had a pal who knew 247 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: how to develop film. Um, this was back in the 248 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: day where people like still had dark rooms in their homes. 249 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure some people are still into analog photography, but 250 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't have been a as common. Um. So he 251 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: took it to his friend William bill Moore, who was 252 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: a conspiracy researcher and more developed the film and discovered 253 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: that it contained photos of eight pages of what they 254 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: discovered to be classified documents. Uh. And these files, if legitimate, 255 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: we're telling a story, a top secret story, a history 256 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: in fact of the Roswell cover up. Yeah. So here's 257 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: what these photographs of these documents say. It turns out 258 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: that if these things are legit, Uncle Sam was publicly 259 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: dismissing the vast majority of UFO sightings, and they were 260 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: quick to launch investigations that explain those sightings away as 261 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: mundane causes, right, weather, balloons, weird ice in the sky, 262 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But these documents said there was a 263 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: hidden strategy at play. They date back to nineteen fifty 264 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: two and they appear to be You can read these online. 265 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: They appear to be a briefing from Director of the 266 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: CIA for then President Eisenhower, and it describes several different 267 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: UFO incidents from about into the nineteen fifties, and then 268 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: it says, hey, Eisenhower, you know the guy who had 269 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: the job before you, President Truman. He knew that extraterrestrials 270 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: were real, he knew they posed an existential threat, and 271 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: he came up with the idea of this thing we 272 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: call of this group. We're going to tell you about. 273 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: Its twelve government officials and it's their job to investigate 274 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: and figure out what the heck is going on. Yeah, 275 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: and government speak. I guess you could consider this to 276 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: be a committee or, like you said at the top, 277 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: some sort of think tank or brain trust. Like brain trust, 278 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: it makes me think of like Crang the brain from 279 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the teenage meeting Ninja Turtles cartoons. But I digress. Um. 280 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: So this brain Trust group Committee Um included members of 281 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: the military and scientists who were trying to figure out 282 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: They were tasked with figuring out not just how to 283 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: respond to the crash at Roswell, but how to deal 284 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: with other alien incursions that would likely doubtlessly even UM 285 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: happen in the not too distant future. This was like, 286 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, acknowledging this is a new threat. This is 287 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: something we're going to have to figure out just the 288 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: same way we are foreign powers, UM, how to deal 289 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: with them on both the diplomatic level and also just 290 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: on preparedness level in terms of you know, defending ourselves. UM. 291 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: This document has also become known as the Eisenhower Briefing 292 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: and UM. In addition to describing the purpose of the group, 293 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: the memo UM suggested to President Eisenhower that its mission 294 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: was incredibly important and must continue through the term of 295 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: the new administration. Yeah. And I love this idea because 296 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure something like this happens when people are elected 297 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: president or prime minister, depending on their country. You get 298 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: you get start getting these memos that say stuff like, 299 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: hey Truman, I know you've got a lot of stuff 300 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: going on, bro UM, I don't want to pile on 301 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: your plate, but real quick, while we have you. Aliens 302 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: are real, they're dangerous. Uh, don't tell anybody, but here's 303 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: what we're doing. Most most of all, don't tell anybody. 304 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: Second of all, we need more money. But according to 305 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: according to the documents, the name of the group Majestic 306 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: twelve came from the size of the committee. And we 307 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: know according to this purported memo and according to things 308 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: that were written about it later, we know the twelve 309 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be on this committee. And 310 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: it's important to note that all twelve of these people 311 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: will give you their names, are real people, the real 312 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: historical figures, and they are luminaries in their field. Yeah, exactly. 313 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: I mean that's what I'm saying. When I hear Majestic twelve, 314 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: I think of like the Magnificent Seven or whatever. You know, 315 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: it's like an absolutely each member has their own superpower 316 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: scientifically or in terms of the Magnificent Seven, you know, 317 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: gun slinging Lee and you said ball round Robin for 318 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: a piece. Is the math working out there? I think 319 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: that all right. So we start with Lloyd Birkener, who 320 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: is a physicist and engineer. Then we have biophysicist death 321 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: Lev bronch Um sounds like a solid biophysicist name. Then 322 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: we have engineer and inventor Van ever Bush, who also 323 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: headed up the US Office of Scientific Research and Development 324 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: during World War two, um and lasted. My little section 325 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: here We've got Secretary of Defense James Forrestall. They all 326 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: make sense, They all make sense. Uh. Next, we've got 327 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: a longtime government official and lawyer named Gordon Gray. He's 328 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: one of those behind the scenes guys in the world 329 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: of defense and national security. Then we've got the director 330 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Roscoe H. Hill and Cooter. 331 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: He would later go on to become a board member 332 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenons. That's a 333 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: really interesting link for people who got as far as 334 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: names go, UM, Gordon Gray kind of drew the short straw. 335 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: He's like the least interesting name out of all of these. 336 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: His job is not to be publicly interesting though, so 337 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: then rounding out rounding out the next one, we've got uh, 338 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Commander Jerome Clark Hansacker, who was a former US 339 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: airman and heavy into aeronautics research. He's someone you hear 340 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: about in other stories. The name hans Sacker is distinctly 341 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: familiar to me, though we do so many of these 342 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: are having a hard time pulling out where I know 343 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: the name from. Um. Next we have theoretical astronomer and 344 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: astro physicist Donald H. Menzel or Menzel, perhaps Lieutenant General 345 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: Robert M. Montague, um Rear Admiral Sidney Sowers, who was 346 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: another Director of Central Intelligence, USA F General Nathan F. Twining, 347 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: and finally U s A F General Waite Vandenberg. So 348 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: those are the twelve. Uh Paul QueQue some music for us. 349 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: There something that sounds Innio Morricone perfect, Mr Control folks, 350 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: He's a magician. So these are the twelve designated members 351 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: has described in these various documents and things written about it. 352 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: But what we'd like to do now is look at 353 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: some of the facts, and these are still crazy facts. First, 354 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: if this is true, it would be absolutely stunning news 355 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: for any number of reasons. First, it would be an 356 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: indication at least that the US government believes it has 357 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: encountered the most important point in human evolution since humans 358 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: started being humans. So More and Shandera are not sure 359 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: what to do with this at first. At first they 360 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: decide they're going to keep this film and therefore the 361 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: documents secret, and they're only going to show them to 362 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: a couple of friendlies in the UFO community, people like 363 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: Stanton Friedman, and then Friedman and Shandera. More would all 364 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: later go on to say, hey, we were getting these 365 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: anonymous phone calls that were directing us to discover other 366 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: additional documents, including something called the Cutler Twining Memo. And 367 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: they say, we think this is another thing that confirms 368 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: the existence of Majestic twelve. So from their perspective, this 369 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: can lead to good research due diligence checking sources. But 370 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: it looks like somebody, some anonymous source, really wanted this 371 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: to get out in the public. Because when these guys, 372 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: for one reason or another, weren't spreading the word fast enough, 373 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: another anonymous source was contacting other authors in the UFO 374 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: community and it was offering something like these documents. So 375 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: even if Shanderra and more and later Friedman didn't want 376 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: to play ball, it appeared that someone somewhere very much 377 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: wanted this to enter the public conversation. This time, UFO 378 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: communities pretty small, people talk to each other, so rumors 379 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: about these documents spread, you know, little hints, implications, and 380 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: more and more people are coming to these three guys 381 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: and they're asking them for evidence, whether accidental or orchestrated. 382 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: The leaks began fast forward to seven. There's an author 383 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: named Timothy Good who takes the info into the mainstream, 384 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: and he publishes parts of this story in his book 385 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: Above Top Secret. Later that year, he also speaks about 386 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: Majestic twelve openly at a UFO conference, so Boom. However, 387 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: it turns out not everyone was convinced about the veracity 388 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: of this story. One guy, an author named Philip Class 389 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: k L A. S. S. Not the contemporary composer that 390 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: just does Yeah. I was bummed. I love Philip Class. 391 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: I was like this, how could this man be any 392 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: more amazing? No way, Aliens, of course that's so you, Philip. 393 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: So that's what this class with a k not glass 394 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: with the gum, but similarly psychedelic weirdos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 395 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: and uh and we mean that of course as a 396 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: massive compliment. Class wasn't he wasn't just gonna, uh, you know, 397 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: flop this stuff around in the shallow end of the 398 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: UFO community pool. He went directly to the Alphabet boys. 399 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: He gave him the documents, and he said, FBI, what 400 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: do you think about this? And this is one of 401 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: my favorite parts of this story. So the FBI categorically 402 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: denies everything, and they debunk the heck out of this 403 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: document or this collection right of documents based on these photographs, etcetera. 404 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, but they kind of mess up when they 405 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: do it because they their answer didn't age well. It 406 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: feels kind of childish maybe because they you could say, 407 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: they shot themselves in the foot when they were trying 408 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: to dismiss it. If you look at their response, they 409 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: went through the documents and they literally somebody literally like 410 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: scrawled the word bogus. It all caps, it's everything, like 411 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: the way an angry kid would, you know, write something 412 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: on a paper that they didn't like, what's what I'm saying, like, 413 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: why are you so mad? Bro? Like all caps that 414 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: I mean, surely there are more official ways of denying 415 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: the veracity of a report than angrily scrawling the word bogu. 416 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: It's almost like exactly it is. It is the federal 417 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: equivalent of uh, yeah so or yeah not me, it's 418 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: you whatever. But other investigators came in and they were 419 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: all looking at the same documents, and they were pointing 420 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: out numerous signs of if not forgery, things that indicated 421 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: this was not this was not written the way that 422 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: a government document would be written like Truman signal. Sure 423 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: is legit there, but if you look closely and you 424 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: do some photographic analysis, it looks as though someone had 425 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: taken uh, something that he really signed, or a reproduction 426 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: of it, and they had cut it the way you 427 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: would clip coupons back in the day, and they just 428 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: cut a signature out and then they carefully pasted it 429 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: on the on the memo and they were like, no 430 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: one is gonna bust us. This is top tier spycraft. 431 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of a slick trick, you know. For the eighties. 432 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: I've seen definitely like movies and and uh and and 433 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: TV shows where people have like forged stuff by cutting out, 434 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, text from other parts of documents and then 435 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: um pasting it and then photocopying it so you can't 436 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: see the edges. Um. But yeah, it seems a little 437 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: rudimentary for the US government, right, Yeah, it sure does. Also, 438 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: there are different discrepancies that the FBI knows other countries 439 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies would notice, so it's not as if this 440 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: could have fooled the Russians or intelligence agents in China 441 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: or anything like that. And then there's a regular, kind 442 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: of wonky format for the date, and later investigators would say, hey, 443 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: this irregular format is kind of similar to the way 444 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: Bill Moore would date certain documents. So already there there's 445 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: a lot of division about the providence of this information. 446 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: And this is where people start to get a little bit, 447 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more freaked out. For the skeptics, it's 448 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: important to note the FBI, even if their bedside manner 449 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: is lacking. The FBI saying this is bogus is good 450 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: enough for them, coupled with all the discrepancies in these 451 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: photographs of these papers. But then for people who are 452 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: more on the hardcore UFOs a real side, this is 453 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: how cover up happened. The truth is eroded over time 454 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: and then over to the window of the conversation shifts 455 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: and soon enough it ends up being buried. And that 456 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: may have been the case were it not for a 457 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: gigantic bombshell that dropped in nine eight nine. Now we're 458 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: gonna pause. There's some men in black knocking at my door. 459 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they've got great time, you know, give them that. 460 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: They would be awesome as a dance troupe, you know, 461 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: so choreographed. But we're gonna pause. We'll talk to those 462 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: dudes while we're on a break for word from our sponsors, 463 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: and if we make it back, we'll tell you what 464 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: this bombshell is. It might not be what you expect, 465 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: but it was huge and we're back then. I have 466 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: a weird like hole in my memory for some reason, 467 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: like I don't really remember anything today before. What's happening 468 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: right now? That's fine, right? Who are? It doesn't matter 469 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: the bombshell though, right It says it right here on 470 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: the page. There's a bombshell, you know, it gets dropped 471 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: in nine. It's coming back to me a little bit. 472 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Why do I have a sign picture of Will Smith? Okay, okay, 473 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. I just didn't notice 474 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: it before. But but you're right, um, we do. We 475 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: are slowly recovering our faculties now and so we do 476 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: remember enough about life before that ad break to tell 477 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: you that, yes, a bombshell dropped in eighty nine, as 478 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: he said, noal, but it was not the one ufologists 479 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: we're hoping for. Remember we said Bill Moore was the 480 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: second guy to have seen that memo about Majestic twelve. 481 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: He went to a mouf On conference and moved on again. 482 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: Like we talked about with Roderick Martin. Moufon is the 483 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: world's largest civilian UFO Monitoring Investigation Body. So Bill Moore 484 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: is at moufon and he says, I have been actively 485 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: involved in a conspiracy, folks, and this conspiracy doesn't really 486 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: evolve aliens. Instead, for years, I've been helping the US 487 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: government spread disinformation in this community as a patriot, because 488 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: I want to help throw a smoke screen over the 489 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: actual classified projects Uncle Sam is doing. He says, I've 490 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: been given the government information about the UFO community, all 491 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: people in the community, some of whom are in this room, 492 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: including my individual peers. And I've been doing this in exchange. 493 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: This is a Hannibal elector type qui pro quo. I've 494 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: been doing this in exchange for material and claims that 495 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: the government supplies me that I later put into my 496 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: books that you guys buy, by the way, Yeah, and 497 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: he he did seem to genuinely believe um that m 498 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: J twelve was a sort of kind of reward for 499 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: his work with the Air Forces disinformation campaigns. And the 500 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: news of this happening was not particularly well received, uh 501 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: and more soon left the UFO community in disgrace. And 502 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: these are all pretty cooperative kind people in the UFO community. 503 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: For the most we've we've we've definitely hung out with 504 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: some of them, and um, they all seemed to really 505 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: take this kind of bond seriously. They treat each other 506 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: like families. So to be ousted in that way, that 507 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: would require quite a pretty big transgression, don't you think. 508 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean it's it's an act of betrayal, 509 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: and regardless of what circles you move in, that kind 510 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: of betrayal usually doesn't land well with people. Uh So, 511 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: it seems that Majestic twelve was indeed a conspiracy. It 512 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: was at heart a genuine conspiracy, but it just wasn't 513 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: about extraterrestrials. It was about disinformation. So it's a propaganda 514 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: move to disguise real research from those foreign intelligence agencies 515 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. If this is the case, and fellow 516 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, the evidence overwhelmingly indicates it is, then that 517 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: means this conspiracy was successful. In fact, it was much 518 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: more successful than its original authors could have ever imagined. 519 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: M J twelve is a hot topic of conversation UFO 520 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: forms today. It's often just treated as accepted fact and 521 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: people just say, oh, yeah, well, after you know, they 522 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: got the brain trust together and those guys or some 523 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: moneration of them have been in charge of this topic 524 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: ever since. And in defense of the original ufologists, the 525 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: ones who got like the guy who got the Manila envelope, 526 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: the people who he shared this story with, etcetera, etcetera. 527 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: With the exception of Bill Moore, they genuinely seemed to 528 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: believe the story is true. So they don't from their perspective, 529 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: they're not running a dis info or psy op, you 530 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, campaign of any sort. They they 531 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: are acting in good faith. Yeah, and you know, I 532 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: mean the story. Uh, many of you know about this, 533 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: probably know the story has been debunked over and over again, 534 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: even within you know, UFO enthusiast circles. Um. But there's something. 535 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: It's got a little something to it that just makes 536 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: it sort of hang around. UM. And I'm wondering what 537 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: you think Ben might be the reason this does continue 538 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: to circulate in the UFO community to this day, even 539 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: though it's been so you know, unilaterally kind of shut down. Yeah. 540 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I posit that we can find the answer, 541 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: Tim J. Twelves continuing popularity. We can find it in 542 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: part in a version of what Emily Dickinson would have 543 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: called a slanted truth. Of course Emily Dickinson, the famous 544 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: poet who said, tell the truth, but tell it's slant. 545 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: So the m J twelve forgery does appear to a 546 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: b a forgery and be describe a fictional group, but 547 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: what it describes could very much be a real thing, 548 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: because this group is described as functioning very much like 549 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: another kind of real sometimes secretive genre of organization, the 550 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: think tank like RAND or the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. 551 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: That's the oldest modern thing tank started nineteen ten. They're 552 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: still kicking it today. Uh. Think tanks are deeply entrenched 553 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: part of Washington's corporate political structure, and they do not 554 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: need aliens to be dangerous. That's right, because, as many 555 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: critics of think tanks point out, these institutions often tend 556 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: to be more concerned with the views of their incredibly 557 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: wealthy and influential donors, which consists of individuals and corporations 558 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: who are also now considered and treated politically like individuals. Um. 559 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: And it's in the same way lobbyists are a thing. 560 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: Think tanks are often intended to sway public perception. Um. 561 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: So you know, if you have enough scientists in a 562 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: room saying the thing that makes your corporation look like 563 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: the good guy. Then people do tend to believe scientists, 564 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: and it's I hate to This is no disparagement on 565 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: the scientific community, but we know there are certain scientists 566 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: and maybe have fewer scruples than others, um, ones that 567 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: maybe work for big oil companies or like geologists that 568 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: do you know, work um on fracking and drilling operations 569 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: that are ultimately very very bad for the environment, um, 570 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: but good for their pockets. And again, this is no 571 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: shade on anybody that takes a job. Maybe I can't 572 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: not I can't walk that back. Maybe it's a little 573 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: bit of shade, but you know, then there are scientists 574 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: who are just the truth is the only thing that matters. Uh. 575 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: And I refuse to be the puppet of some wealthy 576 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: donor or organization. UM. But that's kind of what think 577 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: tanks are. Now. There are good think tanks, right then. 578 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's not to say there aren't think tanks 579 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: that are actively out to uh sway public perception in 580 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: a direction that is good, you know, for the greater good, 581 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: not just these uh, these wealthy individuals and organizations. Right, yeah, yeah, 582 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: that's correct. It's it's one of the it's similar to 583 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: like a don't let one bad apple ruined the bushel 584 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing. But the fact of the matter is 585 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: that money does talk, and there can be clear conflicts 586 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: of interest with think tanks. Uh, and they can they 587 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: can have a big effect on policy for good or 588 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: for ill. And so with this in mind, these actual 589 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: conspiracies that we've named it, you know, honestly, might be 590 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: a relief for something like Majestic twelve to go public. 591 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: And I bet you, based on everything we've seen so 592 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: far in the past year and a half or two 593 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: years now, if the government came out and they said, okay, everybody, one, 594 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 1: aliens are real. Two we kick it with him. Three 595 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: we have a secret think tank, it's all about it. Uh, 596 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: then I possibly, I bet you that there would be 597 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: uh a lot of people who would go aliens why not. 598 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: But all of those things are things the government would 599 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: never actually do in that way you're describing, Like their 600 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: answer to that would be a press release or some 601 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: you know, full heavily redacted documents. And see, see we 602 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: were honest here it is. We gave it to you. Um. 603 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: But the government there's a couple of things the government 604 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: will ever do and want ever really admit that it's wrong. Um. 605 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: On things that matter, it might do like like take 606 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: an l you know, as they say, and this is 607 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: a sports thing, right is that a basketball thing? Um? 608 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: Just in general taken a lot, it is, but I 609 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: think I think it comes from sports. But they might 610 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: do that on a on an issue that maybe doesn't 611 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: matter or it's like part of rhetoric, but never on 612 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: the things that actually they have done. They will never 613 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: like come out and say, yeah, he supplied weapons to 614 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: this militant group that is now what we consider terrorists. Oops. Sorry, 615 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: y'all are bad. They'll dance around it and talk about 616 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: it in a different way, but now they will never 617 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: come right out and say that, or at least not 618 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: until decades have passed, Right, And it's when there's there's 619 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: a deniability and separation time. You know, heals all wounds 620 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: in all different administration, et cetera. The people involved have died, 621 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: so they're beyond the bounds of prosecution. Yeah, that kind 622 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: of stuff, unfortunately does happen. I love the idea though, 623 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: that if admitting aliens were real was a last ditch 624 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: attempt to distract from something else, Like what would that 625 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: something else be? I love the idea of Like it 626 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: turns out magic is real, you know, like that old 627 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle sketch where he talks about aliens are come in. 628 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: It's over. JFK was killed by one guy acting alone. 629 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: He shot him with a magic bullet. Magic's real. I 630 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: would love that, and also a werewolf. It turns out 631 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: that magic bullet was silver, was pure silver. There it is. 632 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: I would love I would love, love love to be 633 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: at that level of surreality and maybe we'll get there. 634 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: Is certainly been the year for it, and it's not 635 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: over yet, but today's episode is we're drawing to a close. 636 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: We you know, it's it's always a little bit of 637 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: a bummer. Maybe when we have to bring critical investigation 638 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: to these stories, because again we want them to be true. 639 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: It would be in the world we want to believe, 640 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: it will be unethical of us to not follow the 641 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: truth where it leads. So if you have any evidence that, 642 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: if you have any evidence that you think can prove 643 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: the existence of Majestic twelve or something like it, with 644 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: all the implications that existence would carry with it, then 645 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you, we would, And 646 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: I just want to say too, like, I mean, this 647 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: is a very good primer I think on Majestic twelve, 648 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of other conspiracies that are wrapped 649 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: up in Majestic twelve, a lot of rabbit holes to 650 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: go down. And we highly recommend you do your own research, 651 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: as we always do. UM, and this is a great 652 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: jumping off point for that. So let us know what 653 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: you find. UM. You can find us on the internet 654 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: in all of the usual social media places of note, Facebook, Twitter, 655 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: and YouTube where we are conspiracy stuff for conspiracy stuff 656 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: show on Instagram. Yes, and if you don't sip the 657 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: social meds, if you're going off the grid and you're like, 658 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: I have one way I will contact people. It's using 659 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: a telephone. I found the one pay phone that's still 660 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: standing in my neck of the Global woods. Uh, then 661 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: never fear. You can call us as well. 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