1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: On November eleven, twenty twelve, a housekeeper in Belize entered 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: the beachside residence of a man named Gregory Fall. According 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: to court documents, she found him lying face up in 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the living room in the pool of blood. The television 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: was still on and there were no signs of struggle. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Once police arrived on the scene, it became clear the 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: man was first tasted and then shot in the back 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: of the head with a single bullet. The police found 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: a nine millimeter shell next to the body. They told 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: a local paper that there was no evidence that anything 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: was missing, leading them to dismiss robbery as a motive 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: for the murder. Following the murder for American national Gregory Fall, 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: police in San Pedro have detained one man for his murder. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: They're also seeking American national John McAfee for questioning. McAfee 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: is well known because he's the founder of the anti 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: virus that bears his name. McAfee, who has a house 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: in the area, has not been seen since this incident. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: Greg Fall and John McAfee lift two houses down from 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: one another. Before greg was killed, they'd been arguing over 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: McAfee's guard dogs. Now the police wanted to talk to McAfee, 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: but he was nowhere to be found. He went on 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: the lamb. Did you get away with murda? No? I 23 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: did not do murder. This is you know. I think 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: this is perfectly clear. I had nothing whatsoever to do 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: with the murder of Gregory Paul. But McAfee didn't hang 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: around to answer any questions. Do you know who this is? 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: He fled, claiming he'd been framed, and though he was 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: avoiding the police, he was in constant contact with the media. 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: Are you afraid? Wouldn't you be? So? How is this 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: going to end? How do you see this coming to 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: an end? I don't have a crystal ball. I'm going 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: to continue to fight until something changes up. You won't 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: turn yourself in. I will not. So it will either 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: be that some how you get away or the authorities 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: come and get you one of those two on the 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: run under suspicion with the world watching. You're listening to Foundering, 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jamie Tarabay. Belize is where everything changes 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: from McAfee. It's sometimes referred to as his Heart of 39 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: Darkness era. He's no longer the spiritually enlightened Yogi or 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: the adrenaline seeking aircraft enthusiast, his flaunting guns, bodyguards, teenage girlfriends, 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: and drugs. He's accused of orchestrating a murder. This image 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: of a genius madman is one that will follow him 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: for the remaining years of his life. A slew of 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: negative news coverage comes out that documents disturbing allegations against him, 45 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: and rather than running away from the bad press, McAfee 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: embraces the media, introduces reporters to his homes, his science laboratory, 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: and his entourage, and after his neighbor turns up dead, perversely, 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: McAfee's famed skyrockets to an all time high, making him 49 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: even more famous than during his heyday as CEO of 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: McAfee and Associates. McAfee's life in Belize was marked by 51 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: high drama and chaos, much of his own making. The 52 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: reports being broadcast to viewers at home at the time 53 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: were full of contradictions, accusations, and misinformation, and faithfully, two 54 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: journalists from Bias News even go on the run with 55 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: McAfee as he evades Belizean authorities. This is when events 56 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: spiral out of his control and his antics seemed to 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: lead to his undoing. I'll tell you more after a break. 58 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: John McAfee arrived in Belize in two thousand and eight. 59 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: He wanted it to be a new beginning. He was 60 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: running away from an ongoing wrongful death lawsuit from his 61 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: error trekking business. In Belize, McAfee lived like a rich 62 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: man far outside the bound of US jurisdiction. Here's Jeff Weiss, 63 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: a journalist who has covered McAfee since two thousand and 64 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: seven and is also a contributor to Bloomberg Business Week. 65 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: He says him now, Belize says all things having so 66 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: much fun. He's got his ultra lights down there. He's 67 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: like exploring these jungle rivers and there's like all these 68 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: abandoned man in ruins. It's like a tourist brochure. Belize 69 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: is a small country hugging the Caribbean coast of Central America, 70 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: wedged between Mexico to its north and Guatemala to its 71 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: south and west. Its population is tiny, just four hundred 72 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: thousand people. Many American retirees flocked to the town of 73 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: Saint Pedro. That's the version of Belize that gets promoted 74 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: on travel sites. White sandy beaches, sparkling turquoise water, scuba 75 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: diving in coral reefs. But McAfee being McAfee, decided to 76 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: make his base of operations for his first years in 77 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: Belize in a town called orange Walk, which was something 78 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: else altogether. Here's Jules Vasquez, the news director of Channel 79 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: seven News, a TV station in Belize. I would see 80 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: the difference is it's a rural, agrarian community as opposed 81 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: to tourist tone. There are no white men living in 82 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: that area of orange Walk where you was. Orange Walk 83 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: is on the mainland. It's a poorer community. The only 84 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: other so called white men in orange Walk were a 85 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: group of Mennonites. So it was here that McAfee decided 86 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: to build the laboratory. He said he was developing a 87 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: new sort of antibiotic derived from rare plants that grow 88 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: wild in the Belizian rainforest. This research would build upon 89 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: a real emerging area of medicine called quorum sensing, which 90 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: studies how bacteria communicate. The basis for McAfee's research sounds 91 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: pretty technical. Here's Jeff Weiss again. So the bio drug 92 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: thing he was looking for, he had this whole backstory 93 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: that was largely based in reality. There's this thing called 94 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: quorum sensing, where organisms that team up, like slime molds 95 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: and things, organisms that are only sometimes dangerous, like if 96 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: they infect your wound, they can send a signal, and 97 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: if you can interrupt that signal, you can maybe prevent 98 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: them from becoming dangerous. In an article Jeff wrote for 99 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: Fast Company, he posed the question could McAfee do for 100 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: human health what he'd done for computers. It was a 101 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: tantalizing prospect. And he also employed a biologist and she 102 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: had actually done some work. She actually was we talked 103 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: about Charles earlier. She was actually a researcher at Harvard, 104 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: as I understand it, so she was working in some 105 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Harvard lab there really was working on this kind of thing. 106 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: The biologist is a woman named Alison at Anisio. She 107 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: was relatively young when she was working for McAfee, just 108 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Alison had quit her job at 109 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Harvard and abandoned the grant for a three year research 110 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: program to go to work for McAfee. They co founded 111 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: a company to cultivate natural antibiotics and topical medicine to 112 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: treat wounds. But once Jeff is on site, he has 113 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: trouble understanding McAfee's explanation of how he would actually develop 114 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: the new drugs. They're supposed to be based on rare 115 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: plants only available in the jungle in Belize. So McAfee 116 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: walks Jeff to an area on his property where he 117 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: says these plants were going to spring up. So he 118 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: was claiming that, like he was, he had a plot 119 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: of land where this stuff was growing and he was 120 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: going to clear it so that it was going to 121 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: grow better. But he wasn't going to plant it. It 122 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: was just going to grow. And I and I made 123 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: him walk me through this several times because it didn't 124 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. I've never heard of like 125 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: growing a crop but not planting the crop, just like 126 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: hoping it'll grow. I'm like, how do you know so 127 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: much about this plant that it's just going to grow? 128 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: He just he said at one point he said to me, like, 129 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm a very smart man, and so you have to 130 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: take my word for it. A seed of doubt is 131 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: planted in Jeff's mind. One he never really shakes. It's 132 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: all a bit handwavy, frankly, But this was the kind 133 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: of spiel that he would fold for people who were 134 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: This was this was the claim that he was making 135 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: the natural antibiotics never come to fruition. Jeff says that 136 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: McAfee puts Allison onto another project he's interested in. John 137 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: McAfee had a very long standing interest in female libido 138 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: enhancing drugs, so he wanted to find a real life 139 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Spanish fly. He like, experimented with like testosterone, and he 140 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: experimented with various stimulants. At one point he had Alison Adanitzio, 141 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: his biological researcher, working on a libido drug that he 142 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: wanted her to take, and I guess she did um. 143 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: But so it got it got it. You know, you 144 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: sort of peel one layer away and it gets pretty. 145 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: It gets skibe frankly, and the partnership between McAfee and 146 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: Alison Adernethia doesn't last very long. She leaves John McAfee's 147 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: lab in Orange Walk and returns to the US. She 148 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: later alleges that McAfee drugged and assaulted her when she 149 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: said she wanted out of the business. In an interview 150 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: with ABC News, McAfee called Allison a madwoman and rejected 151 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: her allegations. We haven't been able to reach Allison and 152 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: haven't been able to verify what she said McAfee did 153 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: to her, whatever you believe. Her story highlights an aspect 154 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: of McAfee's personality that seemed to intensify with age. This 155 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: obsession with sex and younger women, and the use of 156 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: his money and power to allegedly exploit them. It got 157 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: more and more egregious over the years. In addition to 158 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: his medical research project, McAfee also seemed to be using 159 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: his money to buy influence. The Saint Pedro soun quotes 160 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: him as saying that he donated over two million dollars 161 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: worth of goods to various police departments while he was 162 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: in Belize. He spent on housing police officers, brought them 163 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: m sixteens, tasers, handcuffs, pepper spray, and metal detectors. He 164 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: gave the Coastguard a million dollar boat, and he seemed 165 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: especially focused on crime in the town of Carmelita, near 166 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: his Orange Walk home. A twenty twelve profile in Wired 167 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: magazine says McAfee paid officers to patrol the streets when 168 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be off duty. He apparently told 169 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: them to sniff out drug dealers. Here's a clip from 170 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: the documentary Gringo, on which Jeff Wise was an executive producer. 171 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: But I moved to the village of Carmelito. I decided 172 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: I would try to clean it up friend to do 173 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: it legally. For on, it makes sense to hire off 174 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: duty officers to collect information and farm that information. Maybe 175 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: they can do or do something, and they did. I 176 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: have an officer living on my compound. It makes me 177 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: feel safe, makes me feel safer to know that all 178 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: the criminals that might want to rob me, no, there's 179 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: a policeman living there, and they think there's something wrong 180 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: with that. Now, Belize does have one of the highest 181 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: murder rates in the world, but when we looked at 182 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: government issued crime maps, we saw that Orange Walk is 183 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: not an especially dangerous area. Jules Vasquez told us that 184 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: the town had a history of drug violence in the 185 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, but it's not seriously violent anymore. The sense 186 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: of danger appeared to be mostly in McAfee's own mind. 187 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: McAfee built a sprawling property there. This is Tamara Sniffin, 188 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: the editor of The Sampedro sum. It was a compound. 189 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: It was like a several freestanding buildings that were enclosed, 190 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: but it was surrounded by jungle that was very tucked 191 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: away and looked lovely, all wood structures and comfortable and cool. 192 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: McAfee's Orange Walk home reminded me of his previous setups 193 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: in Colorado with his yoga retreat and New Mexico with 194 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: his ultralight aircraft operation. It was as if he wanted 195 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: to leave civilization as he knew it behind and built 196 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: something new, something out of reach, where he could assert 197 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: his own authority. There were also several teenaged girls living 198 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: in McAfee's compound. He boasts about them in the documentary 199 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: film Gringo. I live a lifestyle which might be over 200 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: the line of normal behavior. It's a lot of fun. 201 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I get to hang out with cute girls who are 202 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: scantilly clad. I do have teenage girlfriends, and many at 203 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: a time. Nothing illegal. They're well beyond the aged consent 204 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: and I've seen nothing wrong with it. And if you do, 205 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: then that's okay. He was sixty seven years old at 206 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: this point. The age of consent in Belize is sixteen. 207 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: Journalist Jeff Wise said that he met a number of 208 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: the girls living on macafee's compound, and you'd have five 209 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: at a time. It was in Belize where because he 210 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: could just like, you know, everyone was so poor and 211 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: he has so much money, and like he seems relatively 212 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: more glamorous there. He could have five. He would have 213 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: multiple buildings on his property, and he would house different women, 214 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: and each one of them, as you say, each one, 215 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: we think they were the special one. In addition to 216 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: flaunting his girlfriends, he stood out in still another way. 217 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: He would travel around town with an armed entourage, big 218 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: scary people, you know, a lot of times wearing fatigues, 219 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: big guys. They always had a rifle slung over their shoulder, 220 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: and they were always on the aware, you know, always 221 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of scoping things out, like he was in danger 222 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: or something. It was very bizarre. According to local news reports, 223 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: including the Saint Pedro Son and Belize Channel seven News, 224 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: several of the men in McAfee's employ weren't registered to 225 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: carry weapons and weren't licensed to work as security guards. 226 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: All of this behavior, the armed protection, the new properties, 227 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: the money he's splashing around in this underdeveloped area, begins 228 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: to attract the attention of law enforcement. The police thought 229 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: it was suspicious that he had bought this property kind 230 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: of in the middle of nowhere, not a scenic location, 231 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: easily accessed by road that sits on a river that 232 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: goes to Mexico. So if you want to move something 233 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: in or out without attracting attention of customs, that would 234 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: be a good place to do it. In April twenty twelve, 235 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: at six in the morning, Belize's Gang Suppression Unit stormed 236 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: McAfee's Orange Walk compound. Jules Vasquez says, the Gang Suppression 237 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Unit officers are in a different league to the local 238 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: police forces. They are a paramilitary, specialized police unit that 239 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: should should primarily deal with the suppression of guns. But 240 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: they're commander at the time, Marco Videal, you wished for 241 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: them to have a much broader footprint in law enforcement, 242 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: so he would have them pursue pretty much anything that 243 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: it was felt that other units were too corrupt or 244 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: compromised to pursue. Remember McAfee had donated significant money to 245 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: the local police, but the leader of the Gang Suppression Unit, 246 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Marco Video, felt that his team was outside that kind 247 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: of influence. However, it was his feeling. I believe that 248 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: many times these local police had already been compromised by 249 00:16:53,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: the thick wallets of US investors, and the Gang Suppression 250 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Unit was the only one that could act with the 251 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: necessary discretion and the professionalism to conduct the read properly. 252 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: The Gang Suppression Unit, also known as the GSU, told 253 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: local media they rated the property based on reports of 254 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: illegal activity occurring at the compound and they were there 255 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: to search for drugs and illegal firearms. Here's a clip 256 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: from SBS Stateline, a current affairs show in Australia. If 257 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: I came out naked with a handgun, I laid mine 258 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: downs and as I saw the souldiers marching information down 259 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: my driveway, I put my pants on went back outside. 260 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: Before I could even get outside the door, I was grabbed, 261 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: thrown up against the wall, A piece of paper was 262 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: shoved in my face. You know. This is the warrant 263 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: and the day it was pretty much a nightmare. McAfee 264 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: says he was lying in bed naked with a seventeen 265 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: year old girl when the Gang Suppression Unit charged to 266 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: his property. He had barely gotten dressed when the police 267 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: handcuffed him and four of his security guards. He says 268 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: he was left in the sun for fourteen hours and 269 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: that one of his guard dogs was shot and killed. 270 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: The officers ransacked nine houses on the compound. They found 271 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: a significant cache of weapons. The red conducted by the 272 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Gang Suppression Unit resulting in the discovery of ten fire arms, 273 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: seven twelve gage pump action shotguns, one twelve gage single 274 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: action shotgun, one tourist nine millimeter pistol. McAfee was released 275 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: early the next morning. He told reporters the raid was 276 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: in retaliation for his refusal to pay a bribe to 277 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: a local politician. ABC News quoted a Belizian reporter who 278 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: said the gang Suppression unit raided McAfee's lab because they 279 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: suspected that he was manufacturing meth. They tested samples they 280 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: collected from the scene. In the end, they didn't file 281 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: a single drug charge, ends him. Jeff suggests that this 282 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: may have had less to do with the absence of 283 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: drugs and what to do with the nature of the drugs. 284 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: At this time, McAfee was in the early stages of 285 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: a very strong interest in let's call them bath salts. 286 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of a catch all term, but it's basically 287 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: a kind of pharmacologically psychoactive drug that is not illegal 288 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: because it's different. It has its chemical structure, is somewhat 289 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: different from the stuff that's actually scheduled by the us DA, 290 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: so you can have it and technically it's there's nothing 291 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: they can do to you. Although McAfee walked away a freeman, 292 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: the raid changed him. He became obsessed with the idea 293 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: that there were people out to get him. His bouts 294 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: of paranoia intensify in his later years. Many of these 295 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: actions seemed driven by the idea that the govern was 296 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: hunting for him, the cartel was after him, assassins were 297 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: hidden in the dark, and this paranoia was reinforced in 298 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: reality by the violent raid McAfee endured. After that, he 299 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: moved out of Orange Walk and settled into his beach 300 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: house in Saint Pedro, bringing his entourage with him. McAfee 301 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: took up permanent residence in the tourist town, living near 302 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: another American retiree, a Florida man named Gregory Fall We'll 303 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: be right back. After John McAfee's compound on the mainland 304 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: of Belize was raided by the gang Suppression Unit, he 305 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: moved his life to Saint Pedro on the island of Amber, 306 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: Greece Key. His beach house over look the white sands 307 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: and crystal blue waters of the Caribbean. Saint Pedre was 308 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: a community largely composed of retirees from the US and Canada. 309 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Here's Jules Vasquez. They have a certain Margharitaville lifestyle, right, 310 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: like they're all straight out of that Jim A. Buffett song. 311 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: And he comes in and he has quotery of dangerous, 312 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: huge quotes dangerous black people around him, right Like he 313 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: has an entourage, right of these people around him. So 314 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: he really doesn't fit in with that community, which is 315 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: really more retirement gringos, right, and then he comes in 316 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: with all this alacrity, all this m combustion. McAfee is 317 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: suspicious with people he doesn't know. He tells Wired Magazine 318 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: that he keeps mainly to his beach house and his women. 319 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: He's having erratically and he's convinced he's a target, says 320 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: Tamara Sniffin. He just thought they were out together because 321 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: he stepped on the wrong toes. Of course, he would 322 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: never be forthcoming on exactly like why he was being 323 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: picked on, just very vaguely that he was the white 324 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: man coming in and stepping on toes or whatever. McAfee's 325 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: presence in Saint Pedro was disrupting everyday life for many locals, 326 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: says Jeff Weiss. He's kind of terrorizing the neighborhood. Everyone's 327 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: freaked out. He's scared of this guy Dodgs. You're biting people, 328 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: the guards, you're staring at people, and it's about six 329 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: months of high tension on this stretch of beach. There 330 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: was one neighbor in particular who took McAfee to task 331 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: about the dogs, Gregory Fall, a fifty two year old 332 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: former contractor and restaurateur from Florida. Here's Tamara. I did 333 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: know that Greg was really unhappy with the dog situation. 334 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: I had heard that he was trying to talk to 335 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: the mayor about it and anybody he could to try 336 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: and get this dog situation remedied. I've been to that 337 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: area and they were really scary dogs, very very intimidating 338 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: when you walked on the beach. I mean they were 339 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: running free and they would run right up patchen. Pretty ferocious. 340 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: So all I know is that Greg and McAfee thought 341 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: about that quite a bit. Gregfull didn't have much tolerance 342 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: for McAfee's behavior. McAfee is pretty good at intimidating people. 343 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: He's pretty good at manipulating people. But I sensed that, 344 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, Greg Fall just like had been around the 345 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: block a few times himself and was just it was 346 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: having none of it, and so when McAfee pushed, he 347 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: pushed back, And these guys get into a dispute and 348 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: complaints are filed, threats are made. Fall allegedly says, if 349 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, if your dogs keep offing me, I will 350 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: poison them. The dogs are poisoned, and then soon thereafter, 351 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Greg Fall's housekeeper comes in one morning to find Fall 352 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: shot dead. Here's the police press conference about the murder. 353 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: She arrived at mister Fall's home where she saw him 354 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: in a motionless state, lying in a pool of blood. 355 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: The police were called and the scene was processed. The 356 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: buddy had an apparent gunshot wound to the back of 357 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: the heaven Tamara says that the killing shocked the North 358 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: American retirees who were living in Belize. I mean, Greg 359 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: was well liked. He was horribly executed, you know, so 360 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of sadness and then anger. You know, 361 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: a lot of people immediately assumed that McAfee had some 362 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: liability in it, and they were upset. You know, we 363 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: don't have many murders on the island, and we specially 364 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: don't have expat to expat kind of murder. I mean, 365 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: that's just unheard of. I think that's the only one 366 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: I've ever heard of on this island. So yeah, then 367 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: it was number one conversation at every local watering hole 368 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: even that, and the watering hole gossip speculated that McAfee 369 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: had ordered full be killed. I don't necessarily believe that 370 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: it was McAfee who pulled the trigger, but like I said, 371 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: he is always surrounded by armed guys and some very 372 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: faithful people, and all I think he had to say 373 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: was I want that soob dead, you know, and somebody 374 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: said note taken. You know, in my mind, I think 375 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: that's a likely scenario. And on the very day that 376 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: Greg Fulls body was found, McAfee disappeared. He wasn't in 377 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: his beach house, and though he was hiding from the police, 378 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: he was basically talking to everyone else. Police say he 379 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: is a person of interest, but have not called him 380 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: a suspect or charged him. Despite that, McAfee says he's 381 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: now in hiding fearful of what he calls a corrupt government. 382 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Belize's Prime minister publicly taunting McAfee Wednesday. It strikes me 383 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: that he's extremely paranoid and in fact that it also 384 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: far as to see bonkers. International and US television networks 385 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: descend on Belize. McAfee gives several of them what they 386 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: call exclusive interviews. He's on the crackly phone line here 387 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: with ABC. I have had an adventure. I want to 388 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: say that right now, sir, flying in the bottom of 389 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: cavs Burt did for almost efeteen hours. I have buried 390 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: myself in sand. I have slept on roofs ide have 391 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: I will do whatever takes in case he didn't catch that, 392 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: he said he buried himself in sand. By his account, 393 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: he's the one being persecuted here running from the police. 394 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: He started spreading a story that he wasn't wanted for 395 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: murder at all, that he was wanted for hacking into 396 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: the Belizian government. Here's McAfee talking to Australia's Channel seven News. 397 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: I hacked the Polician government for five months and I 398 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: have all that data, tens of thousands of hours, recordings 399 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: and videos of the Prime Minister of ordering the murder 400 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: of his competitors. McAfee made these claims with zero evidence, 401 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: Though fears of the cartel became a running theme in 402 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: the remaining years of McAfee's life. ABC also interviewed police 403 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: spokesperson Raphael Martinez. He sounded almost puzzled by McAfee's flight. 404 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I did not know the reason why he should be well, 405 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: not coming and forward to speak with the police. I mean, 406 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: not coming forward knowing that you are wanted for questioning. 407 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean it begs the question exactly a state of mind. 408 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: Of course, it was incredibly difficult for the murder victim's 409 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: family to watch. Here's his father, Arthur Fall, speaking to 410 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: SPS state Line from Australia. Do you believe that McAfee 411 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: was involved. You're convinced that McAfee was involved, not entirely, 412 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: but but but why would he run? Why did he 413 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: not answer the questions? And if he has nothing to hide, 414 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: why doesn't he speak. It's very frustrating to find that 415 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: that that he gets all the attention and my son's 416 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: kind of a prop for his infamy. The whole time. 417 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: McAfee's playing the police and the media, trying to drum 418 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: up sympathy while evading having to so questions about the murder. 419 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Here's Jeff again, I mean it was it was McAfee's 420 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: fleeing that created the whole hullabaloo. He it was, it 421 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: was it was his disappearance. It wasn't the discovery of 422 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Greg Fall's body that set the whole thing in motion. 423 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: It was McAfee running away. McAfee's calling up American national 424 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: news organizations and like ultimately flying down journalist, he actually 425 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: winds up hanging out with a film crew. That's but again, 426 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: it's like what he is mother's milk to a journalist. 427 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: A great narrative, protagonist antagonist, high stakes. McAfee creates a 428 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: compelling narrative, one that overshadows the news of Greg Fall's killing. 429 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: This is a news story about McAfee running for cover, 430 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: fleeing from corrupt Belizean officials. John McAfee had long ago 431 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: recognized the power a news story could have. Remember that, 432 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: even during his anti virus days, he was harnessing the 433 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: media to drive sales of his product. Jules Vasquez watched 434 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: as McAfee dominated the news cycle with his bizarre theatrics, 435 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: and then McAfee went full crazy because you know, he 436 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: really is a white man dancing at that point, right 437 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: like he really is living out this fantasy. It just 438 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: becomes this galloping circus of stupidity that he finds so cute. 439 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: A man is dead, right, But yeah, so you know, 440 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: he comes across as justice, this wild and crazy guy, 441 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: and then he's the wanted person, and so he takes 442 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: on that role completely and goes into full gringo fugitive mode, 443 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: making a mockery of the police along the way, paints 444 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: himself as the victim of judicial or a law enforcement 445 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: system that wants entrup incarcerit and kill him. We'll be 446 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: right back. Francois Garcia is a filmmaker based in Canada. 447 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: He met John mccafee years before Greg Fall's death when 448 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: he and his wife were on vacation in Belize. So 449 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: fast forward to twenty twelve watching CNA, and I see 450 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: the news reports about John McAfee on on their own 451 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: one ponful questioning for the murder of his neighbor. I'm 452 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: a filmmaker, I'm always hunting for a good story. I 453 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: gotta jump on it. So this Canadian filmmaker calls McAfee. 454 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: He says they make a verbal agreement to work together 455 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: with Francois acting as a kind of pr agent free 456 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: of charge. Francois offers to take over who is McAfee 457 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: dot com, a website controlled by McAfee himself that posts 458 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: updates on his whereabouts, and Francois also offers to help 459 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: reach out to the media on McAfee's behalf. At this point, 460 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: he has no opinion on whether McAfee killed fall. I 461 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: immediately understood no matter what his claims were, either way 462 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: was a good story. If he's innocent based on his claims, 463 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: so it's a great story. If he's guilty of what 464 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: he's accused of, it's still a great story. So it 465 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: was a win win. Francois was picturing all the ways 466 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: he could package and sell McAfee story. I'm thinking of 467 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: feature film down the road, I'm thinking of a book. 468 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: My money focus was on documentaries. Francois also says he 469 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: made an offer to get McAfee out of Belize. He 470 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: said he had a friend who could fly a plane 471 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: to Mexico and land near the border. That McAfee would 472 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: need to the border on foot, but that he could 473 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: get him out of the country. He says McAfee didn't 474 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: want to leave the media circus he created. He wanted 475 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: to to stay. He wanted to continue. I mean he 476 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: was saying that he was hiding in a sailboat. He 477 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: was hiding in a cardboard box. He kept moving locations 478 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: on the hour. In reality, he was sitting in a 479 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: small apartment complex about twenty minutes from Belize, a city. 480 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: As a filmmaker, Francois also wanted to get footage of 481 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: McAfee on the ground in Belize, but he didn't have 482 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: a team on Cole to send out to shoot McAfee. 483 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: So he has a new idea, get the press involved 484 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: to basically document McAfee for him, and Francois could always 485 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: license this footage after he makes a call to Vice 486 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: News as then editor in chief Rocco Castoro. I reached 487 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: out to to Rocco and there there were in a 488 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: plane hours leader. These vice reporters, Rocker Costoro and photographer 489 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: Robert King, would get closer to McAfee than any of 490 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: the other journalists in the wake of Gregfall's murder. They 491 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: actually travel with him for weeks and they alter the 492 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: trajectory of McAfee's Central American exploits. They meet up in 493 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: Belize and make their way out of the country all together. 494 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: The Vice reporters start rolling tape on McAfee. The Prime 495 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: Minister has one hundred and fifty thousand dollars bounty. Im 496 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: sholl if you are Sholl, yes kill. There was no 497 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars on McAfee's head. But 498 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: McAfee is building his own mythology here. He's the anti hero, 499 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: the outlaw, escaping the corrupt Belizian government. They head for 500 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: the border. On the phone, McAfee is giving instructions to 501 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: Frontois team on what a post on who is McAfee 502 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: dot com. So an unconfirmed, unnamed sources has contacted has 503 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: contacted the blog with the information that mister McAfee has 504 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: been has been arrested just across the border of police 505 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: in the country, in the country of Mexico. Write that down. 506 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: It's so funny to me that he's on the phone 507 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: dictating misinformation. This story actually got picked up. A handful 508 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: of news outlets published that McAfee was arrested in Mexico 509 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: and then had to issue corrections. In fact, McAfee did 510 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: make a successful border crossing. Michael McDonald is a reporter 511 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg News. In twenty twelve, he was reporting for 512 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: Reuters out of Guatemala. Like so many others, he was 513 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: assigned to cover the software entrepreneurs Saga. He snuck into 514 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: Guanama from Belize. I mean, there are official checkpoints at 515 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: the border, but it is a very porous border, so 516 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: if you want to sneak in, it's it's not that difficult. Um. 517 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's a river separating both countries, so it's 518 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to cross that at night if you 519 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: want to. And McAfee's entry into Guatemala was actually illegal 520 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: and obviously if you don't go through an official checkpoint, 521 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: you have no stamp in your passport, and he had 522 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: no Guatemala stamp in his passport, so he had essentially 523 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: entered the country illegally. Remember McAfee crossing the border with 524 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: two reporters from Vice is a situation engineered by Francois Garcia, 525 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: who's watching this all unfold from Canada. I'm watching the 526 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: madness from from Afar. But they want with John to 527 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: guatemalaf did it crossed the first by car and then 528 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: by by boat. Photo journalists Robert King took the famous 529 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: Vice picture of John and Rocco and the headline we 530 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: are with McAfee suckers. Vice published the picture of the 531 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: image without removing ge location, and they just went viral. 532 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: Robert King, the photographer who took the photo with geolocation 533 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: data on it, later posted this video online of the 534 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: moment they realized the data had leaked. Our good friends 535 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: friends in New York published the XFT. Okay, here's the 536 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: spin on this. You guys are fucked here. You realize 537 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: that if we got right, you know that you're you're 538 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: fighting for your life. Here. McAfee's voice sounds calm, but 539 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: he's saying dire things to the reporters. That they'll likely 540 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: be tortured because they're with him, that he may lose 541 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: fingers and toes if he's found, and that there'd be 542 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: a massive reward for his capture. McAfee's heard telling them 543 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: that the story now is about how two journalists get 544 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: out of a tight situation. If you get arrested with me, 545 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: there is the chance that you might suffer some gil treatment. 546 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: The way you spend this is that Jesus, they were 547 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: coming to get us. We were on the line. Now 548 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: we became part, we became part of a different story. 549 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: At that point, the Vice reporters who were traveling with 550 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: McAfee were widely blamed for the GEO data leak. We 551 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: asked Rocco for a statement. He sent us this recording, 552 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: which we've edited for length and clarity. He starts by saying, 553 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: the data leak wasn't his fault. Yes, I instructed Vice 554 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: staff multiple times to scrub the metadata from the image. 555 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: I was never given a clear, specific reason for why 556 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: the photo was published with the metadata intact. Rocco says 557 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: that he was in the field with McAfee when the 558 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: leak happened. I started receiving panic calls and messages from colleagues, 559 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: friends and family regarding the exposure of the metadata and 560 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: our exact coordinates. When King and I returned from Guatemala 561 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: to the VICE office in Brooklyn, people looked at It's 562 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: like we were ghosts that has just walked into the office. 563 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: Roca Castoro and Robert King did suffer significant reputational damage. 564 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: In the immediate aftermath of the incident, Vice released a statement. 565 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: Here's an exit quote. We have always been transparent in 566 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: our filmmaking and will continue that practice. This will be 567 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: no exception. The story as a whole has engaged people 568 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: around the world precisely because it is so freaky, and 569 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: even if it shows that we made mistakes on the 570 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: ground during a very hectic and dangerous week of reporting 571 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,439 Speaker 1: on McAfee's mistakes, we are sure it's going to make 572 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: one hell of a documentary end quote. But McAfee's other 573 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: warnings that the revelations of his location would lead to arrests, torture, 574 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: and interrogation did not come true. Here's Jeff Weiss again, 575 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: to be clear, do the cops then come rolling down 576 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: the street? No, they don't. That's not how it works. 577 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: So so McAfee's like, oh shit, and like apparently he 578 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: freaks out. I think it's on They have it on 579 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: film of Macie what you got, so they run, they 580 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: won't have In Guatemala City, reporter Michael McDonald is in 581 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: Guatemala City covering McAfee's escapades. He recognizes the former Attorney 582 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: General of Guatemala in the lobby of the Intercontinental Hotel. 583 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: He had this lawyer named t les Fro Guera, and 584 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: TLEs Farro was sort of this this powerful lawyer that 585 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: you would contact in Guatemala that the elites would use 586 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: when they were in trouble. Ex presidents would hire him 587 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: when they were in trouble, so he was sort of 588 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: the go to lawyer for big cases. The lawyer tells 589 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: Mike that the goal is to keep McAfee from being extradited. 590 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: In this clip from Vice you can hear McAfee asking 591 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: for reassurances that he won't get sent back to Belize 592 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: to because I'm not worried. Of course they want. While 593 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: McAfee was in limbo in Guatemala, Mike interviewed him in 594 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: his hotel room. He said that at times McAfee seemed 595 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: like he wasn't all there. He did come across as 596 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: deranged at some points, um I like he did. He 597 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: did appear to be on drugs. He always insisted that 598 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: he wasn't. You know, some of the things he does 599 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: and some of the things he says to you make 600 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: you wonder are you on drugs now? In the end, 601 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: McAfee was arrested for entering Guatemala illegally. Vice News shot 602 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: footage of him being shoved into a police fan and 603 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: cut it off to prison again, he seems composed. Where 604 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: are they taking you, John John? Where are you going 605 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: to jail? Even from jail mac. If he couldn't stay 606 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: away from the media, he would call reporters, including Mike, 607 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: at all hours. The first time he called it was 608 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: probably three in the morning. Actually, he told me his 609 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: jail cell was lacking color and he wanted me to 610 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: figure out how to get plants into his jail cell 611 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: in order to spruce it up. A couple days later 612 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: he called me from the jail again, and he said 613 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: he was bored, and he wanted me to bring a 614 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: chess set to his jail cell, so he would call me. 615 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: He probably called me three or four times from the 616 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: jail cell. In jail, he's vulnerable. His fate seemed to 617 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: be in the hand of the Guatemalan authorities. As much 618 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: as he tries to influence things from inside prison, he's powerless. 619 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't think he anticipated ending up in a jail 620 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: in Guatemala. I think he probably figured he could work 621 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: his way around that and get out of that. So he, 622 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: you know, he created this whole scene, and he faked 623 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: a heart attack and they took him to the hospital, 624 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: that's right. Fearing that he might be deported back to Belize, 625 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: McAfee tried to retake control by faking a heart attack. 626 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: He was treated for chest pains and then went back 627 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: into detention. Ironically, despite all of his fears, Belizian authorities 628 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: never took concrete steps to bring him back. I remember 629 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: speaking with the police spokesman and Belize and he kept 630 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: telling me, well, he's a you know, John's a person 631 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: of interest and we would like him back. But he 632 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: told me they weren't going to file an official extradition request. 633 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: I always wondered, well why not, And so I was 634 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: always suspicious that maybe they maybe they don't want him back, 635 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: and they just kind of want to get rid of him, 636 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: and they don't really care what his future held. The 637 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: Belizian police didn't respond to numerous requests for comments, and 638 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: Guatemala found a way to get rid of McAfee as well. 639 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: Within the week, Mike gets word that McAfee's going to 640 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: be deported back to the US for entering Guatemala illegally. 641 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: A crowd of journalists rushed to see him off before 642 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: he leaves. So we were at the airport in about 643 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: ten minutes, and we were all there waiting for him. 644 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the entire press crew was there waiting for him. 645 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: Immigration officers were there, the police were there, and the 646 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: pickup showed up, and it was just sort of this 647 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: mad scramble to get the last quote from John McAfee 648 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 1: before he was driven through this gate at this side 649 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: gate at the airport and onto the tarmac. Mike doesn't 650 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: remember what McAfee said, only that his demeanor was calm. 651 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: The truck went through the gates and onto the tarmac, 652 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: and Mike returned to his office to file a story 653 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: that John mccafee had been deported. My editors were in 654 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: Mexico at the time, and they wanted to he absolutely 655 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: certain that he was on the plane, and so I 656 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: was like, well, how do I figure this out? And 657 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: then I remembered it, Well, I wonder if his Guatemala's 658 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: cell phone is still working. So I called the Guatemala 659 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: cell phone and he picked up, and he was on 660 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: the plane, and you could hear the dinging of the 661 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: seat belt signs and you could hear the captain speaking 662 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: in the PA system, and he said, yeah, I'm on 663 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,479 Speaker 1: my way to Florida. And that was just the first 664 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: flight that they could get me on back to the US. 665 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: And so we're about to take off and I have 666 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: to go. And with that the wild ride was over, 667 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: McAfee is flown back to the United States, away from Belize, 668 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: where he would have had to face questioning over Greg 669 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: folds murder. The victim's family never saw justice. They filed 670 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: a civil suit in the Middle District Court in Florida. 671 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: The judge granted fourth daughter five million dollars to compensate 672 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: for the harm caused by her father's death. The court 673 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: added another twenty million dollars to quote punish McAfee for 674 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: his misconduct and deter further such action in the future 675 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 1: end quote. When the judgment came down, McAfee refused to 676 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: respond to requests from the court and never appeared to 677 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: answer for the complaint. He tweeted, I was never charged 678 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: with murder by Belizing authorities or any other authority. It 679 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: was a suit based entirely on media reporting. McAfee was 680 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: at least partially right. He was never charged. Many in 681 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: the expact community in Belize, as well as journalists who 682 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: closely reported on McAfee's time there, blame him for Greg 683 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: Fall's murder, and if that's true, then he got away 684 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: with it. In his lifetime, McAfee succeeded in evading consequences 685 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: for many of his actions, but this would be the 686 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: most notorious. You might think that MCA at this point 687 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: is at an all time low. He's sixty seven years old, 688 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: vending off accusations of murder and rape. He says he 689 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: can't access any of his money, that his accounts of frozen, 690 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: but his return to the US is the beginning of 691 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: a personal renaissance. Once again, McAfee reinvents himself and surprises 692 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: everyone by launching an unlikely bid to be the next 693 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: President of the United States. That's next time on Foundering, 694 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: The John mccafee Story. Foundering is hosted by me Jamie 695 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: Tarabay Sean When is our executive producer. Pratana Prakash contributed 696 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: reporting to this episode. Special thanks to Young Young and 697 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: Eileena Peng for helping with production. Molly Nugent is our 698 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: associate producer. Serif Josef is our audio engineer, Mark Million 699 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: and Vandermay, Andy Martin and Molly Shoots are our story editors. 700 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: Be sure to subscribe and if you like our show, 701 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: leave a review. Most importantly, tell your friends see you 702 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:17,959 Speaker 1: next time.