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Speaker 3: to talk about the the kind of fading protests in

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Speaker 3: we're going to get you know, war number two on

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Speaker 3: Iran from Trump. We have a lot of different updates

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Speaker 3: from Minnesota and from ice around the country. We're also

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Speaker 3: we talked about the fact that we because there's always

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Speaker 3: we haven't really done enough in covering the conflict in Sudan,

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Speaker 3: there are millions of lives at risk. There are millions

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so for the near future, will be for sure

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Speaker 4: doing that on Wednesday is something to stay tuned for.

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Speaker 4: We have Elizabeth Warren after she's recently had a call

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Speaker 4: with Donald Trump. We have Thomas Massey as he's at

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Speaker 4: the middle with of course, a front of the show

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Speaker 3: It is amazing that Trump is more likely to call

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we will be talking to right exactly.

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Speaker 5: Looking to do a bannon.

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Speaker 4: Epstein News The Clintons are looking to do a Bannon,

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Speaker 4: meaning they are not replying to subpoena. They put out

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Speaker 4: complying with a Congressional subpoena, So big news on that front.

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Speaker 4: We will obviously get Congress from Massy's take on that,

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Speaker 4: but we are going to break down the new developments

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Speaker 4: as well. Ryan, Let's start with Iran. Where As we

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Speaker 4: were putting the show together yesterday, there was genuinely a

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Speaker 4: question as to whether we would wake up or stay

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Speaker 4: up all night watching a kinetic conflict with the US

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Speaker 4: over the news cycle right now.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's watch his interaction with CB News Tony Doku Pill.

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Speaker 3: And we could kind of pick apart how we read

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Speaker 3: this language and body language.

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Speaker 5: It's play, Tony.

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Speaker 6: Americans woke up this morning and they saw that you

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Speaker 6: said help is on the way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 8: Well, there's a lot of help in the way and

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Speaker 8: in different forms, including economic help from our standpoint, and

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Speaker 8: you're not going to help Iran very much.

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Speaker 7: And you know, we put Iran out of.

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Speaker 8: Business with a nuclear capacity. And now, depending on what's

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Speaker 8: actually happening, nobody's been able to give us accurate numbers

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Speaker 8: about how many people they've killed on that it looks

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Speaker 8: like it could be a pretty substantial number, and that's

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Speaker 8: gonna be a lot of problems to.

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Speaker 7: Them, a lot of problems on that point.

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Speaker 6: You did say the US would get involved if Iran

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Speaker 6: started killing protesters. They have by the many thousands, according

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Speaker 6: to report.

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Speaker 7: We'll see what that is.

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Speaker 8: I've heard two numbers, but we'll see what that well.

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Speaker 6: Now we're hearing that they're going to start hanging protesters tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: So it comes back to the question, have they crossed

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Speaker 7: your red line or has the line moved?

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Speaker 8: I haven't heard about to hanging. If they hang them,

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Speaker 8: you're going to see some things that I don't know

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Speaker 8: what you're where you come from, and what your thought

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Speaker 8: process is, but you'll perhaps be very happy.

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Speaker 7: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 8: We will take very strong action if they do such

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Speaker 8: a thing, We will take very strong action.

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Speaker 7: And this strong action you're talking about, what's the endgame?

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Speaker 5: The endgame is to win.

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Speaker 9: I like winning.

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Speaker 7: I need to find it win iron.

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Speaker 8: Well, let's define it in Venezuela. Let's define it with

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Speaker 8: al bag Daddy he was wiped out. Let's define it

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Speaker 8: with solomony, and let's define it in Iran, where he

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Speaker 8: wiped out there Iran nuclear threat in a period of

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Speaker 8: about fifteen minutes once the B two's got there, And

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Speaker 8: that was a complete obliteration, as it turns out, which

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Speaker 8: is what I said initially. Then some questioned and they said,

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Speaker 8: you know, Trump was right, So we've been right about everything.

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Speaker 8: We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happened.

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Speaker 8: And you know, if they want to have protests, that's

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Speaker 8: one thing. When they start killing thousands of people in

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Speaker 8: that you're telling me about hanging, We'll see how that

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Speaker 8: works out for them. It's not going to work out good.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of things there. Trump clearly thinks that

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Speaker 3: Tony Doakupil wants him to attack Iran and will be

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Speaker 3: very happy if he does it.

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Speaker 5: Attack Iran.

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Speaker 3: If he thinks that, he probably also knows that Tony

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Speaker 3: would be upset at the original answer.

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Speaker 5: So what kind of help are you going to be providing?

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Speaker 5: He at?

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Speaker 3: He says, So it's all economic help. And for Lindsay

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Speaker 3: Graham and those who are calling for war on behalf

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Speaker 3: of the protests, like whoa whoa economic help? I thought

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Speaker 3: we were going to do a regime change war here.

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Speaker 3: I'm a help, and then then he's like, but it's

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Speaker 3: not going to help them, it's going to help us,

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Speaker 3: which is.

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Speaker 4: Like, and Trump is reportedly being pulled in different directions

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Speaker 4: by his own advisors. And so that's where the point

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Speaker 4: in that interview actually where Trump questioned Docable's numbers. So

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Speaker 4: Docable as the newsman, is giving the numbers to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: and Trump is saying, well, I've heard two numbers, and

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Speaker 4: we know that from reporting if you believe it. But

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Speaker 4: the reporting is that Rubio World and Vance World are

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Speaker 4: pushing for some type of indirect right, like you would

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Speaker 4: know like you wouldn't know this better than Ryan, but

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Speaker 4: some type of like American version of Havana syndrome type

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Speaker 3: A little hack them a little bit. Yeah, And he

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Speaker 3: also pushed back against some other reporters. You want to

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Speaker 3: roll a two, let's do it, so put Yeah. Here

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Speaker 3: he is again quibbling with the casually figures.

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Speaker 10: At nobody's been able to give me an accurate number.

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Speaker 10: I have heard numbers from everything's a lot, One is

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Speaker 10: a lot, but I've heard numbers much lower, and I've

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Speaker 10: heard numbers much higher.

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Speaker 8: We'll be knowing we're probably going to find out.

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Speaker 11: Over the next twenty blow.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a lot in.

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Speaker 12: It, it's too many whatever.

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Speaker 3: So the context here is that there was there was

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Speaker 3: a Iranian government source who gave some news out. It's

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Speaker 3: a number around two thousand that appeared to include also

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Speaker 3: security services deaths because at least hundreds it seems like

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Speaker 3: hundreds of police officers and others were killed as well.

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Speaker 5: That number is far from verified.

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Speaker 3: But then you had CBS News come out and say

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Speaker 3: they'd heard twenty thousand, right, and if you peeled back

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Speaker 3: the sourcing on their twenty.

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Speaker 4: Thousand, but they didn't hear twenty thousand.

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Speaker 5: They definitely heard twenty thousand.

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Speaker 3: The sourcing was like somebody called them from Iran and

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Speaker 3: said that was the number they'd been hearing. It's like,

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Speaker 3: all right, that's interesting, but you can't that's not a

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Speaker 3: number you put in print and circulate. That's a person

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Speaker 3: we heard from in Iran who said that was the rumor.

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Speaker 5: Like, that's not that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it is, we don't know, like the internet's been

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Speaker 3: shut down for days, but like that, you can't report

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Speaker 3: it like that.

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Speaker 5: And Trump is like, I think rightly skeptical there.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, what you could report is that somebody

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Speaker 4: in Iran is trying to push a number that seems

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Speaker 4: suspiciously high. If you were going to report that number

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Speaker 4: at all, there's one way to report it, and it

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Speaker 4: might be Wow, this source is connected to this government

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Speaker 4: or that government. Now, of course I'm just speculating here,

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Speaker 4: but that is one of the ways that you could

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Speaker 3: It's not crazy to think that there would be a

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Speaker 3: high number of casualties. Imagine if here in the United States,

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Speaker 3: one hundred plus police officers were killed in protests, how

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Speaker 3: Now there their numbers were not way out of line

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Speaker 4: Trump is doing it.

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Speaker 4: ro Kana up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: This is the catch from the tech oligarchs from APAC.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Iranian people risk their lives for a better future.

443
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Speaker 4: Ro Kana has his head in the sand. That is

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Speaker 4: an ad on X about Roe Conna from a Pak

445
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Speaker 4: already in action. Boy, do they want to take down Row?

446
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Speaker 5: They sure do. They're not not big fans of Row.

447
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Speaker 3: And then yeah, final point, even if they do end

448
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Speaker 3: up in the next few days launching air strikes on Iran.

449
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Speaker 3: There's no path, there's no theory of change, there's no path. No,

450
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Speaker 3: there's no idea of how those air strikes are going

451
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Speaker 3: to dislodge the regime and replace it with another regime.

452
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Speaker 3: I don't blame Israel for that. Israel doesn't actually want

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Speaker 3: another regime in power. What they want is a fractured

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Speaker 3: Iran that is a bunch of little statelets that are

455
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Speaker 3: at war with each other, and they can fund proxies

456
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Speaker 3: like they do in Syria and Lebanon, yeahmen, wherever else Libya.

457
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Speaker 3: But the US pretends to want a stable world, and

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Speaker 3: we have no theory of how air strikes are going

459
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Speaker 3: to lead to the shot taking power again, how that

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Speaker 3: would actually even be a good thing.

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Speaker 5: It would look like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, the next steps. And it's like you see

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Speaker 4: in Venezuela, how ill considered. I mean, I suppose different

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Speaker 4: than twenty nineteen, Like they tried to have more of

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Speaker 4: a off remp plan post regime change than they did

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Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen. But you see, right now, even with

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Speaker 4: all of the considerations that were already made in Venezuela,

468
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Speaker 4: what that looks like Aroun a different ballgame as.

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Speaker 5: Well, right, And Alasha had real charisma. People say it

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Speaker 5: is it is Riza. He was still.

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Speaker 3: Overthrown for our reason, like people hated him and hated

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Speaker 3: the authoritarianism.

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Speaker 4: Well, they didn't love the encroachment on their sovereignty by

474
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Speaker 4: his relationship with the West. And that's again someding we've

475
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Speaker 4: been talking about in Latin America. It's at issue when

476
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Speaker 4: you have someone who's whether forced or doing this willingly

477
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Speaker 4: and eagerly making all of these deals selling Iranian or

478
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Speaker 4: Venezuelan assets, and you know, minerals oil whatever it is

479
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Speaker 4: to the US in a way that feels people like

480
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Speaker 4: it's exploitive. That's a powder keg. It's a powder keg.

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Speaker 4: And they don't have a plan to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: Back here in the United States, you know, President Trump

483
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Speaker 3: said one protest or death is too many in a run.

484
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's not the case here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Steven Miller came out forcefully.

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Speaker 5: They call him what Prime minister or whatever. Prime Minister.

487
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Speaker 3: Steven Millers came out forcefully in defense of the absolute

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Speaker 3: immunity of DHS officials. Let's roll his aggressive defense of them.

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Speaker 4: To all ICE officers.

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Speaker 13: You have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties,

491
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Speaker 13: and anybody who lays a hand on you or tries

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Speaker 13: to stop you, or tries to obstruct you is committing

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Speaker 13: a felony. You have immunity to perform your duties, and

494
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Speaker 13: no one, no city official, no state official, no illegal alien,

495
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Speaker 13: no leftist agitator, or domestic insurrectionists can prevent you from

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Speaker 13: fulfilling your legal obligations and duties. And the Department Justice

497
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Speaker 13: has made clear that if officials cross that line into obstruction,

498
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Speaker 13: into criminal conspiracy against the United States or against ICE officers,

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Speaker 13: then they will face justice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, that is certainly one way to respond to

501
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Speaker 3: the kind of national outrage at the killing of Renee Good,

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Speaker 3: which new polls show Democrats obviously overwhelmingly believe it was

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Speaker 3: an improperty legal shoot. Independence overwhelmingly believe that, and only

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Speaker 3: I think what was its I think I saw two poles.

505
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Speaker 3: But roughly sixty percent of Republicans said that it was appropriate.

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Speaker 3: So that's you've got a majority, even a super majority

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Speaker 3: of almost a super majority of Republicans, but still only

508
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Speaker 3: sixty is awfully low to if you're going to then

509
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Speaker 3: come out this aggressively and say ICE agents, if you're

510
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Speaker 3: watching this, you have complete immunity to do whatever you're

511
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Speaker 3: doing out there in the streets.

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Speaker 4: Overall, it's been broken down into like roughly, this is

513
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Speaker 4: again it's approximation, but you're seeing like a third a third,

514
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Speaker 4: a third of people who say absolutely not, yes, it

515
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Speaker 4: was supportive and people who are kind of up in

516
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Speaker 4: the air and pulls. But to Ryan's point, when you

517
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Speaker 4: break that down by partisnership, independence not great for the administration,

518
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Speaker 4: serious for the administration and for Republicans that are up

519
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Speaker 4: in the midterms, and obviously helpful to Democrats that are

520
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Speaker 4: using this energy politically, but the politics aside. I do

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Speaker 4: want to make a point because you and I and

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Speaker 4: Crystal and Sager have disagreed on the circumstances of the

523
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Speaker 4: good killing, and people can go watch Last Friday Show

524
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Speaker 4: to see more of that. But even so, what Stephen

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Speaker 4: Miller just said is arguably dangerous for the ICE agents

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Speaker 4: themselves because he said absolute federal immunity, and he said

527
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Speaker 4: it with such gusto it is technically correct. Well, it's

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Speaker 4: technically correct because he said federal and they are currently

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Speaker 4: in charge of the federal government, meaning that it is

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Speaker 4: almost a zero percent chance.

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Speaker 5: He'll pardon you.

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Speaker 4: Basically right, state can prosecute in these cases. They are

533
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Speaker 4: doing it in the Renee Good case in fact, and

534
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Speaker 4: the federal government appears to be making that work harder

535
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Speaker 4: and is intentionally not cooperating with the state investigation but

536
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Speaker 4: saying absolute federal immunity as though you are covered, which

537
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Speaker 4: is the clear implication of what Stephen Miller just said.

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Speaker 4: It's dangerous for reasons that you and I would agree on,

539
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Speaker 4: which is that you have a lot of new ICE

540
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Speaker 4: officers out in the streets with the bravado coming from

541
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Speaker 4: the administration and actual threats, you are asking for danger

542
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Speaker 4: and secondly dangerous then potentially as well because people have

543
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Speaker 4: this over confidence that could be literally dangerous for protesters

544
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Speaker 4: and the agents themselves by stoking the flames, and they

545
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Speaker 4: could be legally dangerous for the officers who can be

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Speaker 4: prosecuted by the states.

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Speaker 5: Very good point.

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Speaker 3: And so when we have a decent sized law enforcement

549
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Speaker 3: audience here at breaking points, and so if you're in

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Speaker 3: that segment, and particularly if you work for ICE or CVP,

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Speaker 3: take note of what Emily just said.

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Speaker 5: You don't have state level immunity.

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Speaker 3: Federal immunity is debatable, but the administration will probably pardon you,

554
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Speaker 3: even if you know, by some chance like you don't

555
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Speaker 3: end up with that. And also what federal prosecutor at

556
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Speaker 3: this point is going to like try to take up

557
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Speaker 3: the case when it's so clear when the administration is

558
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Speaker 3: making it so clear that they're not interested to do that.

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Speaker 3: They're not prosecuting John rossmun investigat him. Instead, they're investigating

560
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Speaker 3: his wife, saying that you know, she may have committed

561
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of felonies out of that scene. So yeah, okay,

562
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Speaker 3: maybe you're okay for the next several years federally. But

563
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Speaker 3: Emily's point is key, the fact that he added that

564
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Speaker 3: in he's trying to play you.

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Speaker 5: He's tricking you. He's trying to make you think that

566
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Speaker 5: you have overall total immunity. You do not.

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Speaker 3: There are states that will come after you, and the

568
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Speaker 3: Statute of Limitations on murder is the rest of your life.

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Speaker 3: So bear that in mind and also then process that

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Speaker 3: for a second and think, wait a minute. This person

571
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Speaker 3: just lied to me basically to try to get me

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Speaker 3: to carry out his agenda. He created this three thousand

573
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Speaker 3: person a day or whatever it is, insane quota that

574
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Speaker 3: could never be reached without violating the constitution. Now he

575
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Speaker 3: needs people to go out and break the law so

576
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Speaker 3: that he can cast checks that he didn't have the

577
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Speaker 3: balance to pay for when he first wrote them.

578
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Speaker 5: And he's gonna then hang me out to dry.

579
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Speaker 3: He's gonna lie to me to get to get me

580
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Speaker 3: to be as aggressive as possible, and then when the

581
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Speaker 3: pendulum swings back, I'm going to be the one that

582
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Speaker 3: is left hanging out to dry.

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Speaker 4: And I actually do want to correct what I just

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Speaker 4: said about the thirty thirty thirty. When you look at polling,

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Speaker 4: it's actually in multiple poles here over fifty three percent

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Speaker 4: of people who say it was unjustified. So that's that's

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Speaker 4: according to Quinnipiac. There's a you gov poll and then

588
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Speaker 4: there's a I think it's Data for Progress via Ziteo

589
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: that did a poll on this, and so those numbers

590
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Speaker 4: for the administration like that's I was misremembering. That's actually

591
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Speaker 4: very like negative really for the administration to lean into this,

592
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Speaker 4: which is what they've done. When you see Stephen Miller

593
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Speaker 4: out there tripling.

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Speaker 3: Down, something like seventy five percent of people say they've

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Speaker 3: seen the video. So like saturation Jade Vans can say

596
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Speaker 3: whatever he wants about it.

597
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Speaker 5: People have seen it.

598
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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, so yeah, it's it's it's wild that

599
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Speaker 3: they're really leaning into this. Leaning in further, Donald Trump

600
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Speaker 3: can put this next element up on the screen. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump said, do the people of Minnesota really want to

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Speaker 3: live in a community in which there are thousands of

603
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Speaker 3: already convicted murderers, drug dealers and addicts, rapists, violent released

604
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Speaker 3: and escaped prisoners, escaped prisoners, what dangerous people from foreign

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Speaker 3: mental institutions and insane asyms and all are blood, on

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Speaker 3: and on and on. He finishes at the end, fear not,

607
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Speaker 3: great people of Minnesota. The day of reckon and retribution

608
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Speaker 3: is coming, and so he is surging more federal resources

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Speaker 3: and federal troops kind of into not military troops but

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Speaker 3: security services into Minnesota. And the videos that just continue

611
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Speaker 3: to come out of there, the reporting on the ground

612
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Speaker 3: just continue to get to the place where like normanis

613
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Speaker 3: are like what is going on here? Like you had

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Speaker 3: this one, You saw this one where a woman is

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Speaker 3: she comes across a protest and she says the cops

616
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Speaker 3: like I have it. I'm disabled to have a doctor's

617
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Speaker 3: appointment right over here. Doctor's appointment there's some yelling and shouting.

618
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Speaker 3: They opened the door, they rip the disabled woman out

619
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Speaker 3: of the car. Rather than just unbuckler seat belt, they

620
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Speaker 3: come in with a box cutter and just like slice

621
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Speaker 3: the seat belt, drop her on the ground, pick her up.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's screaming.

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Speaker 3: There's still the case of the guy who was picked

624
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Speaker 3: up at the gas station and carried away on responsive,

625
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Speaker 3: who has not been heard from since. And the protests

626
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Speaker 3: are going from morning until night. It looks like, you know,

627
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Speaker 3: spoke grenades, like it's just it's like total chaos.

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Speaker 4: It's really frustrating because for me, two things can be true.

629
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Speaker 4: And what we disagree on is that I vehemently oppose

630
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Speaker 4: people obstructing ICE. I also, though vehemently oppose ICE encroaching

631
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Speaker 4: on American civil liberties. I vehemently oppose and that would

632
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Speaker 4: be I mean, we could have a longer conversation about

633
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Speaker 4: whether ICE in and of itself is an encroachment in

634
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Speaker 4: American civiliberties, but that's for another the other day. And

635
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Speaker 4: I vehemently opposed the security theater and it goes into

636
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Speaker 4: obviously very dangerous places, and it's why I'm not I'm

637
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Speaker 4: genuinely not trying to deflect. But it's why during the

638
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Speaker 4: Biden administration, you and I talked about this several times,

639
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Speaker 4: like you create a situation where where Bill Malugin of

640
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Speaker 4: Fox News posted these names of genuine convicted violent criminals,

641
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Speaker 4: the people who haven't been convicted of immigration crimes, but

642
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Speaker 4: who have been convicted of violent crimes who are in

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Speaker 4: Minnesota right now because they came over the border during

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration. He posted a full list of all

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Speaker 4: of these different people. That is a real thing, and

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Speaker 4: it makes me furious that the Biden administration, the Trump

647
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Speaker 4: administration is going to lose public support. They're calling Ryan

648
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Speaker 4: right now to say, but they're going to lose public

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Speaker 4: support for any immigration enforcement, which is roughly what happened

650
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Speaker 4: during their first term as well. Yeah, POLLI went in

651
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Speaker 4: the other direction. Biden then overreacted to the polling going

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Speaker 4: against Trump on immigration. Basically opened up the border and

653
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Speaker 4: didn't enforce it because they thought that was most politically viable.

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Speaker 4: And it was a wild over correction.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Trump took Trump had the American people on his side,

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Speaker 3: not a huge majority, but he had a majority of

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Speaker 3: the people on the side when it came to immigration.

658
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Speaker 3: He has completely lost it, and he's turning people in.

659
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Speaker 3: He's turning people against.

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Speaker 5: All of his immigration policy, all of it.

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Speaker 3: And so instead of taking the billions of dollars that

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Speaker 3: he added to immigration enforcement and hiring detectives and other

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Speaker 3: officers to go and find these people who he says

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Speaker 3: are escaped prisoners and criminals, dangerous people escaped from asylums, like,

665
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Speaker 3: instead of going to find them, he's just doing this

666
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Speaker 3: thing where they're going around saying papers please, like American citizens,

667
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Speaker 3: it shows your ID.

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Speaker 5: But that's why I get going like uber lines.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's why I get pissed also at obstruction

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Speaker 4: of ICE. And even the people who have done some

671
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Speaker 4: of the trainings have said, always comply. This is civil disobedience.

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Speaker 4: Just comply with the officers, which I think is important.

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Speaker 4: But even then, the Jonathan Ross was dragged in June

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Speaker 4: in the arrest of a convicted sex offender, non citizen,

675
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Speaker 4: convicted sex offender, So right.

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Speaker 3: So that those are the people there should be the

677
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Speaker 3: focus should be on American citizens do not have to

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Speaker 3: give immigration authorities who are just wandering the street their

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Speaker 3: papers like that. That is a It's Fourth Amendment right

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Speaker 3: fund and a fifth Amendment right fundamental basic rights of

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Speaker 3: a citizen in this country. If they say papers please, no,

682
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Speaker 3: you do not have to get now, maybe you could

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Speaker 3: say that we should all say yes, sorry, here's my papers.

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Speaker 4: Digital ID. That's what they're doing in the UK partially

685
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Speaker 4: do crack down on the immigration that they let in.

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Speaker 4: This is what kier Starmer is doing right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and right, And so the the right has been

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Speaker 3: against a digital ID.

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Speaker 5: The right has been against the right has been for.

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Speaker 3: Liberty and now having them be on the side of

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Speaker 3: the papers please, folks is crazy. And also what Miller

692
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Speaker 3: wants to do is not what he ran on, right.

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Speaker 3: They ran on going after the criminals. Now you like,

694
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Speaker 3: it was pretty clear what they were actually really going

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Speaker 3: to do. I think you could say, but this like

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Speaker 3: we're going to find three thousand people a day and

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Speaker 3: get rid of them. That's not actually and we're going

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Speaker 3: to do that by going to home depot and going

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Speaker 3: to uber lines and raiding you know, farms and hotels

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Speaker 3: like that's and construction sites.

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Speaker 5: That's not what people voted for.

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Speaker 3: And that matters because now you have lost the public

703
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Speaker 3: and now the public is out blowing whistles in their

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Speaker 3: face everywhere they.

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Speaker 4: Go, let's talk about this next case, Ryan of the agent.

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Speaker 4: This is going to be before you were posting a

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Speaker 4: bit about this. I can't you tell us about what's

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Speaker 4: happening here. This is also in This is also in Minnesota, right,

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Speaker 4: So we can go roll the video. You'll be able

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Speaker 4: to see it on your screen.

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Speaker 3: So this so this is this is a seventeen year

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Speaker 3: old Target employee who's an American citizen, telling these ICE agents,

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Speaker 3: including Bovino, to f off, and he's like walking away

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Speaker 3: from them and they're walking after him. People say that

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Speaker 3: they saw some evidence of him making contact with the

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Speaker 3: ICE agents. I have, I've seen this a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of times. I've never seen it. This is here's the

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Speaker 3: ICE agent hitting him, throwing him down on the ground,

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Speaker 3: putting his knee on his head. You then you then

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Speaker 3: later see there he goes. You hear him say who

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Speaker 3: should we call? Like in another video from a Target

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Speaker 3: employee's perspective, he says, call my mom, call my mom.

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Speaker 3: He then he then shows up. They harry, so they

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Speaker 3: here he is. They dumped him miles away in a

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Speaker 3: Walmart park parking a lot after they realized that he's

726
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Speaker 3: a citizen. So he's bleeding, he's all he's all messed up,

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Speaker 3: he's clearly.

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Speaker 5: Struggling. And DHS came out and said.

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Speaker 4: This individual, this is a quote from DHS on January twelve,

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Speaker 4: this individual is arrested for assaulting federal law enforcement officers

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Speaker 4: under eighteen USC one to eleven, assaulting, resisting or impeding

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Speaker 4: federal officers.

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Speaker 3: Right, And he wasn't like he was picked up. He

734
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Speaker 3: was brutalized and then he was dumped out.

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Speaker 4: Like, well, legally they're going to have to make a

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Speaker 4: case based on impeding.

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Speaker 5: But okay, but they said they charged him. They didn't. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: where's the charge?

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Speaker 4: Well that's what I'm saying. They're going to have to

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Speaker 4: rely on a very based on the video.

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Speaker 5: They haven't.

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Speaker 3: But there's no evidence that they actually arrested him. They

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Speaker 3: picked him up, dumped him, Like, when did they arraign him?

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Speaker 3: When did they take him to jail? When did they

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Speaker 3: do the things that they're claiming they did. If he

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Speaker 3: violated federal law, why was he dumped in a Walmart

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Speaker 3: parking lot a couple hours later?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we've seen cases like this. There have

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Speaker 4: been cases where US citizens don't.

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Speaker 3: You have to at least take them in if you're

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Speaker 3: going to charge them, pro Publica charge them in the car.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think so. Pro Publica did a long rundown.

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Speaker 4: What was this a couple of months ago now on

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Speaker 4: the cases that have involved US citizens and as event,

755
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Speaker 4: it was a little database basically where you could go

756
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Speaker 4: through and check in a lot of the cases were

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Speaker 4: people who genuinely had been You could make a pretty

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Speaker 4: obvious case that they were quote impeding or getting in

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Speaker 4: the way that type of thing, not just you know,

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Speaker 4: swearing or cussing or whatever, or legally filming that sort

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Speaker 4: of thing. On the other hand, there were at least

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Speaker 4: a handful of cases that I found extremely disturbing at

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Speaker 4: the time. We've covered many of them of US citizens

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Speaker 4: who did get unduly detained or arrested or whatever it was.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I think is really like the numbers

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Speaker 4: are what they are, not just because because there was

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Speaker 4: all of this pulling over the last year showing people

768
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Speaker 4: actually were pretty supportive of quote mass deportations, even like

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Speaker 4: six months into the Trump administration, people were still fairly

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Speaker 4: supportive of that.

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Speaker 5: It's going to look like, yeah, well.

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Speaker 4: Even as it was happening people were fairly supportive of

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Speaker 4: this idea that yes, there are people who are here

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Speaker 4: in this country who are not violent criminals who may

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Speaker 4: have to go. On the other hand, when you start

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Speaker 4: seeing Ice with masks on doing this to US citizens

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Speaker 4: more than once, that's I think explains the numbers are

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Speaker 4: where they are. Right now, we can roll here Bovina

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Speaker 4: on Hannity. So he went on Hannity. He is obviously

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Speaker 4: was his positions like regional his regional CBP commander. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so let's roll this clip of him on Hannity a

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Speaker 4: couple of nights ago.

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Speaker 12: Now, is that justify you so force to me that

784
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Speaker 12: it's not even a close call? As sean, we call

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Speaker 12: that means intent and opportunity. Did that individual have the intent?

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Speaker 12: Look at those minutes leading up to the shooting, and

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Speaker 12: we will see what I would consider some pretty important

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Speaker 12: intis did that individual have the opportunity?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Did that individual take that opportunity?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 12: A four thousand pound missile is not something anyone wants

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Speaker 12: to face, especially in a split second decision making process

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Speaker 12: in a very already inhospitable environment. Hats off to that

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Speaker 12: ICE agent. I'm glad he made it out alive. I'm

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Speaker 12: glad he's with his family.

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Speaker 4: So that was Bovino on Renee Good of course, And go.

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Speaker 3: Ahead, I think it was Stephen Lockjaw with some vocal fry. Right,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it look like Lockjaw except.

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Speaker 4: Someone tweeted that he sounded like a red scarerows.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but looks like Lockjaw.

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Speaker 4: It is an unsettling combination.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: To use the word unsettling one more time. Let's go

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Speaker 4: ahead and roll this clip of Joe Rogan, who had

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Speaker 4: Rand Paul on for a very interesting edition of the

807
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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan Experience, himself expressing this sentiment of being unsettled

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Speaker 4: about what he has seen from Ice. And remember, obviously

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Speaker 4: Rand Paul is libertarian. He's a Republican member of Congress,

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Speaker 4: but he comes from the libertarian branch of the Republican

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Speaker 4: Party in the broader conservative movement. So questions about Ice

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Speaker 4: way heavily on the libertarian mind always and have for

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Speaker 4: a long time. How did Rand Paul respond to Rogan?

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look.

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Speaker 11: You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming

816
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Speaker 11: around snatching people up, many of which turn out to

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Speaker 11: actually be US citizens. They just don't have their papers

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Speaker 11: on them. Are we really going to be that the Gestapo?

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Speaker 11: Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to. It's

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Speaker 11: also very ugly to watch someone shoot a US citizen,

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Speaker 11: especially a woman, in the face, where it's like, I'm

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Speaker 11: not that guy. I don't know what he thought. And again,

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Speaker 11: this is a guy who had almost been run over,

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Speaker 11: but it just looked horrific to me. I mean, when

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Speaker 11: people say it's justifiable because the car hit him, it

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Speaker 11: seemed like she was kind of turning the car away.

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Speaker 14: I think you make an argument when you're working right

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Speaker 14: along the border or at night with large groups, that

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Speaker 14: there's a lawlessness to the cartels that hiding the identities

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Speaker 14: of ICE along the border. It's a little harder to

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Speaker 14: make the argument. And I saw this image in a

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Speaker 14: courthouse in Chicago where it's a big elevator and the

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Speaker 14: ICE agents all have masks on and they're arresting people

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Speaker 14: and it's all women and children in a big elevator

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Speaker 14: in a courthouse. It's like, really, I don't think you.

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Speaker 9: Really need to be wearing a mask worried about being

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Speaker 9: but our local police have to do that, and they

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Speaker 9: don't wear a mask you see, I mean the local

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Speaker 9: police go to the courthouse to arrest somebody, or.

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Speaker 14: On the bright lights of the city, or.

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Speaker 11: During but again the local police have to state their

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Speaker 11: name and badge number. The local police have always been here.

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Speaker 11: The ICE element is completely new.

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Speaker 14: Right I'm saying. I'm saying that for most of the

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Speaker 14: regular arrests, you probably don't need to have them wearing masks.

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Speaker 14: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So Rampaul offered some defense of ICE, but what you

848
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Speaker 4: heard him saying in that clip was right right as

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Speaker 4: Rogan was talking about the optics of watching a woman

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Speaker 4: be shot in the face. And I don't mean just

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Speaker 4: the optics of that for the administration politically, but what

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Speaker 4: that does viscerally to people to watch a woman be

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Speaker 4: shot in the face. And that's where you're seeing this

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Speaker 4: polling come from. We can put the next element up

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Speaker 4: on the screen. This is a you gov poll from

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Speaker 4: January ninth through twelve, So that was conducted from last

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Speaker 4: Friday to this Monday. So in the wake of what

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Speaker 4: happened to Renee Good and you see at abolishing ice

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Speaker 4: has received net positive support in this poll. So for

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Speaker 4: support for abolishing ice is at forty six percent, opposition

861
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Speaker 4: is at forty three percent. I would imagine that's in

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Speaker 4: the margin of error, So either way, it's basically split.

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Speaker 4: And again, Ryan, this is what we said earlier in

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Speaker 4: the show. That's what happened in the first Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: I mean at this level. Of course, an immigration enforcement

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Speaker 4: wasn't at this level, but the numbers were going exactly

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Speaker 4: in this direction. And it's why Democrats hopped on politically

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Speaker 4: the abolish Ice train, and why people like AOC and

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Speaker 4: other Squad members were getting a lot of traction with

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Speaker 4: the abolish Ice movement at the time, and now the

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Speaker 4: public is really moving along with it.

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Speaker 3: Not according to a third way, which is the kind

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Speaker 3: of like centrist democratic news organization. Bad timing for them

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Speaker 3: for this memo that they put out. You can put

875
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: this next element up, they said. They implored Democrats do

876
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: not use the term abolish ice.

877
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: Quote.

878
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: The impulse is emotional, the slogan is simple, but politically

879
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: it is lethal. And we had Chris van Holland on

880
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: the program Monday and asked him about this. He was

881
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: sort of almost there, but he was saying, you don't

882
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: want to imply that some of the necessary functions that

883
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: are carried out by ice would also be abolished. And

884
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: I don't think and some people want that to be

885
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: the case, but that's not what most people mean when

886
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: they say abologize. When I say abologize, I mean is

887
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: it is a rogue, ungovernable agency. And when you have

888
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: a government, you need everything in it to be responsive

889
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: to the government and to the people, Like you can't

890
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: have rogue agencies. You can't like that's that's antithetical to

891
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: the notion of self government.

892
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 5: And these guys were already rogue.

893
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty, fifty percent of their

894
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: officers have been hired in like the last year.

895
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: They're not rogue from this administration. I mean, they're very

896
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: very responsive.

897
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 5: Well, we'll see.

898
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: It's duly elected president right now.

899
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: That's well, we'll see, like if we'll see what happens

900
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: if they try to You always think that you always

901
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: think that your attack dog is is under control. That

902
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: maybe they are, like and that's a very good point.

903
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: I just mean, right now, right, that's very good point.

904
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if the administration wanted to change tactics.

905
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 5: If they get them under control.

906
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they could could a democratic government.

907
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 5: I highly doubt it.

908
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 4: I think that's a great point. But that's why again

909
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 4: like libertarians. And we'll ask Thomas Massey about this later

910
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: in the show. And if you want all these videos,

911
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: make sure to subscribe to the channel. We've learned lately

912
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: that if you haven't subscribed yet, it helps us a

913
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: lot to subscribe on the channel itself, not even a

914
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: premium subscription, just to subscribe on the channel, so you

915
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 4: see the videos in your feed or your podcast network.

916
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: Because we do have Thomas Massey coming up later on

917
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: today's show, and I'm very curious to get his take

918
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 4: on this because Rand Paul, I don't know. I heard

919
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: him kind of conflicted, and I think a lot of

920
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: people are conflicted, but not like this ICE polling from

921
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: you Gov that we just put up on the screen

922
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: is pretty interesting because what you see among independents, so

923
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 4: people who describe themselves as moderates are almost forty five

924
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 4: percent in the strongly support somewhat support category when it

925
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: comes to abolishing ICE independence forty seven percent, so independence

926
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Speaker 4: and moderates self described independence and moderates are almost at

927
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: a fifty to fifty split on support or opposition to

928
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 4: abolishing ICE, and we're the Republican number. The Republican number

929
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Speaker 4: is only about so among Trump voters, only about fifteen

930
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 4: percent support a lot among Republicans fourteen percent. It actually is.

931
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Speaker 4: I was thinking that when I saw.

932
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Speaker 3: About that Trump supporters Trump voters want to abolish IZE.

933
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: Well, the reason that that's a lot is because, I mean,

934
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: first of all, I'd like to see that number broken

935
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: down regionally, But it's also important because on the margins

936
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 4: that makes a big difference when Trump is already has

937
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: a somewhat fragile coalition of people who basically need to

938
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: think the left is worse in order to vote for

939
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: Donald Trump at any given moment. And so that's a

940
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 4: genuinely a you know it. It sounds like a small number,

941
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: it is compared to the moderates and independence. I mean,

942
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: that's huge for the for Republicans right now. But that's tough.

943
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And ICE doesn't seem to have much to worry

944
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: about in the near future. You can put up B

945
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: nine Democrats don't. There's there's been a real push by

946
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 3: some Democrats to make the next funding fight around ICE

947
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: funding and shut and shut either the government or shut

948
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: DHS down. There's some hope that they could and Van

949
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: Hollen was talking about this, some hope that they could

950
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: pass other appropriations bills so that only DHS would be

951
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: shut down. I think they're dreaming. I think they'll have

952
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: to shut the entire government down. And according to this reporting,

953
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: not a whole lot of appetite among Schumer and other leaders.

954
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: We'll find out, we'll see for that kind of for

955
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: that kind of fight.

956
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: Let's move on to Sudan, UAE and Saudi Arabia.

957
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

958
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: So incredible kind of crack up between the Saudi and

959
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 3: ua UAE coalition happening over the past several days and

960
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: weeks and accelerating in recent days. You start with a

961
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Speaker 3: start with C two here. This is a story that

962
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Speaker 3: we published over at drop site by Iona Craig that

963
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: I would highly highly recommend.

964
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Speaker 5: I want to highlight two parts of her story.

965
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Speaker 3: She writes here, without the UAE's command structure and without

966
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 3: air cover from their patrons in the flat desert landscape

967
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: of eastern Yemen, the Southern Transition Councils collapsed in the

968
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Speaker 3: first week of January. It was as precipitous as its

969
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: gains had been a month before further waves of Saudi

970
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: air strikes quickly routed STC forces. As one SEC fighter

971
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Speaker 3: put it in a video posted on social media, quote

972
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Speaker 3: we went to Hoo Ramat and Almira with a large

973
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: force and high end equipment and returned on buses. That's

974
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: about as a dramatica turnarounds as you can imagine. What

975
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: she's talking about here is that for the last ten

976
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: plus years, or going back more than ten years ago,

977
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Speaker 3: UA and Saudi Arabia were collectively fighting against the Houthis.

978
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Speaker 3: They were a coalition against the Houthis, with the United

979
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: States supporting them against the Houthis. In recent years, the

980
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: UAE and SALI forces became became rivals, but had some

981
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: sort of a daytan with the Houthis being the main aggressor. Recently,

982
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia has has clearly decided that the UAE has

983
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: gotten way too aggressive in the region and in Africa

984
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: and pushed back and bombed a shipment of arms that

985
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: were coming into the Yue's fighters, which has then which

986
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: then caused the Yue forces to just basically completely unravel.

987
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: You know what took them ten years to build collapse

988
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: in forty eight hours, an incredible Mohammed bin Salmon moment

989
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: then unfolded.

990
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 5: This is the guy who MBZ.

991
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: The head of the UE was warned the guy that

992
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: you're trying to put it in the throne here in

993
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, and he effectively did put MBS in the

994
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: throne is impulsive. You're not gonna be able to control.

995
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: NBC said, no, no problem, I got him.

996
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: What has he done? Said?

997
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: Well, he started out, he brought a bunch of super

998
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: rich Saudis into the RITZ. Carlton tortured him, took their money.

999
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: He then coaxes Kashogi into Jamal Kashogi into a consulate

1000
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: in Turkey, butchers him. He invites the Lebanese prime minister

1001
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: to Riodd for a meeting, kidnaps him, forces.

1002
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 5: Him to resign on video. You remember this several years.

1003
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: If this man asks you to attend a meeting, my

1004
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 4: recommendation is not to go.

1005
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 5: Don't go.

1006
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: So the guy that prime minister, he went back to

1007
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: Lebanon and took it back. He's like, I don't resign.

1008
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: I only resigned because he made me to. He made

1009
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: me so. Yes, So he invites so NBS invited fifty

1010
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: plus leaders of the Southern Transition Council to come to Riod.

1011
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be good. We'll talk about our differences. The

1012
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 3: head of it, al Zubei, said he would come, did

1013
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: not get on the plane. Instead got on a boat

1014
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: and went across the Red Sea to Africa. Let's test

1015
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: his judgment.

1016
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 5: Fifty plus of the other STC leaders went to Riod.

1017
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 5: We can put up C three. This is also from

1018
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 5: Iona Craig. She writes.

1019
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: A delegation more than fifty flew from Ouden to the

1020
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: Saudi Capitol on January seventh. Instead of joining the group,

1021
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: the group and rsl Zebta instead secretly left by boat

1022
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: to Somaya. Meanwhile, the delegation in Riod is believed to

1023
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: be being held in communicado. STC officials in Auden say

1024
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: they have been unable to contact any of the groups

1025
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: since they traveled. Drop Site News called several of the

1026
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: STC leaders held in Saudi Arabia, but could not reach

1027
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: any of them. Family members of the delegates have similarly

1028
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: been unable to speak to the party since they left

1029
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: Yemen on January seventh, and STC officials still in Yemen

1030
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: told drop Site that communication with the leadership in RIOD

1031
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: had been cut off, and there are strong indications they

1032
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: are under immense pressure. To your point, if you get

1033
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: an invitation to RIODD, do not go, do not go,

1034
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: Do not go.

1035
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 5: What are you doing?

1036
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: Immense pressure is probably doing a lot of work there.

1037
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: Like I can only imagine the immenseness of the pressure

1038
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: that they're that they're currently under. We put up C

1039
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 3: four c is Oar from friend of the show Sammy Handy.

1040
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: This is the guy who actually was arrested in Sacramento

1041
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: or northern California by the Trump administration.

1042
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 4: We had a on You can check out that interview.

1043
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, held for a couple of weeks. You want to

1044
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 5: do this one?

1045
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: Well, he I mean he posts here that MBZ is

1046
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 4: quote rilling from mbs' sweeping onslaught of his empire Somalia,

1047
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 4: cancels his contracts with the UAE and Turfs mbz's bases.

1048
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 4: So that is something that's happened and important to keep

1049
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: in mind here. Airediwan is close to establishing a defense

1050
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: pact with RIOD and is conferring with the emphatically resurgent

1051
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 4: Crown Prince of Yemen Sama on Yemen Somalia at the

1052
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 4: Red Sea, and Sudam India is avoiding antagonizing Saudi Arabia

1053
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: and has strayed from the UAE by refusing to recognize

1054
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: Somaliland an nbz's STC proxy, and Yemen has dissolved. Plus NBZ,

1055
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: as Sami Hamdi puts it, quote, is struggling to find

1056
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: a single regional power to lend support or mediate or

1057
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 4: stop the unraveling of his empire. Ryan the theory, and

1058
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 4: I saw this from actually Quincy Institute, a Nel Shalen

1059
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: we've had on before, just writing that the NBZ strategy

1060
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 4: is a chaos strategy. It is to fement chaos in

1061
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 4: the region rather than the preference of MBS, which is

1062
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 4: the exact opposite of that, to try and get everybody

1063
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: in lockstep with MBS, rather than having total chaos consume

1064
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: the countries in that area.

1065
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I think, and I think that's that's well said,

1066
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: and it's the the UE and Israel are very tightly

1067
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: aligned at this point, and Israel has a very similar

1068
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: approach to the region, which is that you want to

1069
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: empower kind of proxy groups and separatists in every country

1070
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: that you can to then minimize the power of the

1071
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: central government of that country, so that you then, by comparison,

1072
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: have have more freedom to operate.

1073
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 5: Israel's goal obviously, you know.

1074
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: Locked down its territory and expand you know where it

1075
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: can uee And we can put up this map here

1076
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: so people can understand exactly what's going on here.

1077
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: So the UE s goal.

1078
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: So if you look at the UE, they're up here

1079
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: over in the Persian Gulf. So if you just study

1080
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: this map, you'll everything will start to come and start

1081
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: to come into focus of like exactly what they're doing.

1082
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: So look at the look at southern Yemen there, Gulf

1083
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: of Aiden, so the Huthis have most of Yemen. But

1084
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 3: what the UE in the Saudi's control is the part

1085
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: that's just along the Gulf of Aden, and just along

1086
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: the Red Sea right across from them there is Somaliland.

1087
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: So they're break trying to break away this little piece

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Speaker 3: of Somaliland. And then if you look at Sudan, you've

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Speaker 3: got ports all along the Red Sea.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 3: If you look just to the west of Egypt, there

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Speaker 3: is Libya, which the UE is now practically you know,

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00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: the UA's factions are practically in control of and so

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Speaker 3: what you see right in the middle of all that

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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia. They feel like they have been while they

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Speaker 3: weren't paying any attention, completely encircled. Now, if you have

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Speaker 3: a lot of oil that you're pulling out of the

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Speaker 3: ground in Saudi Arabia, but you look around and every

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Speaker 3: point that you have to ship that oil out is

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Speaker 3: controlled by your rivals, the UEE, the value of your

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Speaker 3: oil is just gone way down.

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Speaker 5: Like the pert.

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Speaker 3: What the UAE is trying to do is control the

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Speaker 3: flow of commodities and ports.

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Speaker 4: And I was gonna say, meanwhile, if we put the

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Speaker 4: map back up on the screen, one thing that you

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Speaker 4: should take a look at here is just the size

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Speaker 4: of Sudan. Because Ryan mentioned commodities. Sudan is massive and

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Speaker 4: it's a huge, huge proportion of the world's gold. So

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Speaker 4: gold prices, on the other hand, have been up surgeing, Yes,

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Speaker 4: have been surging. And so to your point about controlling commodities,

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Speaker 4: the Sudanese element of that is not insignificant for NBZ

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so where this matter is in So why

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Speaker 3: this matters for Sudan is that the UAE is the

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Speaker 3: main backer of what's called the RSF, which is the

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Speaker 3: faction that is fighting there, that is actually that is

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Speaker 3: kind of surging at the moment, and the UAE has

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Speaker 3: the Saudi and Egypt kind of backed the Sudanese armed forces,

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Speaker 3: who are by no means angels.

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Speaker 5: So this is not this is not this.

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Speaker 3: Is not like some type of conflict between good and

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Speaker 3: evil here, But it's the UA has funneled extraordinarily advanced

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Speaker 3: technology to the RSF, which RSF has used to recently

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Speaker 3: turn the tide in the war. Now that the collapse

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Speaker 3: of the UA's mini empire threatens the supply lines of

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Speaker 3: the RSF, so I think we're likely to see some

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Speaker 3: type of reversal. If we don't, it's what matters here

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Speaker 3: is the city of El obeyed. So about in October,

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Speaker 3: the city of l Fasher, after a eighteen month seat,

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Speaker 3: and we covered this earlier eighteen month siege, fell to

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Speaker 3: the RSF. There were estimates of about two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand people in that city. Something like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty thousand of them remain unaccounted for and are

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Speaker 3: presumed to be dead. That would be twice as many

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Speaker 3: of the confirmed killed in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: And that happening just in a matter of weeks to months.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully the experts are wrong about that, and then they

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Speaker 3: maybe they snuck out somehow and went somewhere else, but

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Speaker 3: that does not remotely appear to be the case.

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Speaker 5: There appears to have.

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Speaker 3: Been a masker of just absolutely biblical proportions. The burning

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Speaker 3: of bodies to cover it up, as well as the

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Speaker 3: digging of extraordinary numbers of mass graves. L Obeyed has

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Speaker 3: people think maybe half a million people, but because of

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Speaker 3: the conflict that there could be as many as up

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Speaker 3: to a million people who have come to the surrounding area.

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Speaker 5: It's surrounded on three sides by the RSF. You can

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Speaker 5: still get out to the east.

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Speaker 3: But if that city fell, there is real fear and

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Speaker 3: forecasts by the people who've been following this that you

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Speaker 3: could see another masker of hundreds of thousands of people

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Speaker 3: at the hands of the UAES proxy forces here in Sudan.

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Speaker 4: It's so ugly and to your point, I mean, the

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Speaker 4: reason we're doing this because it's happening in the shadow

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Speaker 4: of public attention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and we these are people who are alive

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Speaker 3: who could be saved if this, if the if the

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Speaker 3: international community somehow can just put just just put a

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Speaker 3: stop to this. One way that it could be stopped

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Speaker 3: is that the weapons flow stops. So if you put

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Speaker 3: up C six, there is real real evidence here and

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Speaker 3: here and here's another. Here's another kind of useful map

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Speaker 3: there of the kind of UE's encirclement of of this

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Speaker 3: of this region.

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Speaker 5: Uh the uh.

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Speaker 3: This is from a organization critical threats, they say. Egypt

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Speaker 3: and Saudi Arabia have reportedly withdrawn overflight permissions for arms

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Speaker 3: flights from Abu Dhabi to eastern Libya, while Somalia has

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Speaker 3: banned Amarati military flights and expelled the Yui from Bosaso,

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Speaker 3: a key transit hub. The disruption comes as rs ffensive

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Speaker 3: offensives intensify, and as Saudi Arabia is reported to be

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Speaker 3: brokering a one point two billion dollar arms deal for

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Speaker 3: Sudan's army. So there is hope that the RSF is

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Speaker 3: going to lose access to the weapons that it needs

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Speaker 3: to carry on what is just an absolute cataclysmic slaughter

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Speaker 3: of people. The problem if Sudanese armed forces then gets

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Speaker 3: this one point two billion dollars, you know we could

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Speaker 3: be looking at a slaughter in the in the reverse fashion.

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Speaker 3: As as the revenge is carried out for what happened

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Speaker 3: in l Fasher and elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of it's happening in Darfur.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, which we were paying attention to twenty years ago. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: so the politics here the US basically will not admit

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Speaker 3: that the UAE is doing this. Here's a clip from

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Speaker 3: Sarah recently of Sarah Representative Sarah Jacobs pressing the States

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Speaker 3: Department to just acknowledg that it's actually the UE, our

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Speaker 3: ally that is doing this and watch him kind of

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Speaker 3: dance around the question of just saying the letters UAE

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Speaker 3: place C seven.

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Speaker 15: Do you agree that the UAE continues to provide material

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Speaker 15: support to the RSF?

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Speaker 16: Thank you, Ranking Member Jacobs. I would again refer back

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Speaker 16: to the Secretary's comments on the critical role of ending

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Speaker 16: external support and our continued efforts to work with all

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Speaker 16: actors on that front.

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Speaker 15: Okay, And what is the Department doing to utilize its

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Speaker 15: significant leverage in the form of arm sales including a

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Speaker 15: one point for billion dollar sale of helicopter and F

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Speaker 15: sixteen fighter jet parts that President Trump circumvented Congress on

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Speaker 15: to push the UAE to stop its support and hopefully

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Speaker 15: prevent another mass atrocity, thank you.

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Speaker 16: As far as broader arm sales issues and those religious

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Speaker 16: that have to refer to my colleagues either in our

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Speaker 16: Political Military Bureau or are near Eastern Affairs Bureau, it's

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Speaker 16: not something that I'm directly involved in.

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Speaker 5: For a sense of what this what what a conflict

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Speaker 5: like this is?

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Speaker 3: Like we did want to play one footage with a

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Speaker 3: little viewer discretion advice. It's not remotely gory or anything, but.

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Speaker 4: It is jarring.

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Speaker 5: It's jarring.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, that's emily, that's a good word for its jarring.

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Speaker 3: We put up C one here. So this is a

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Speaker 3: this is a group of RSF fighters we're getting trained.

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Speaker 3: And you can see the kind of instructor. Wow, that

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Speaker 3: happened to you and faster than I was ready for.

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Speaker 3: You can see the instructor there talking to these recruits,

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Speaker 3: and there's a drone overhead, and just in the blink

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Speaker 3: of an eye, the entire.

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Speaker 5: The entire group, platoon whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's just gone, which raises all kinds of questions about

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Speaker 3: the nature of war today, and like what like how

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Speaker 3: you mooved? Like if both Saudi Arabia and the I

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Speaker 3: mean both satur and the UA are putting billions into

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Speaker 3: this and sending drone technology across this kind of barren landscape.

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Speaker 3: It's just gonna be a robot fueled killing field.

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Speaker 5: It could. We talked about Angola. We got a rap,

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Speaker 5: so we got Liz Warren coming in a minute.

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Speaker 3: We talked about last week about the Angolan Civil War,

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Speaker 3: which unfortunately.

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Speaker 5: You had to miss.

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Speaker 3: But that was a case where even after the US

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Speaker 3: and others in South Africa withdrew their support for Jonas

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Speaker 3: of Embi's like rebellion, he just refused to put down

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Speaker 3: his guns. They there was even a un negotiated at

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Speaker 3: US backed everything election and he got like forty plus

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Speaker 3: percent of the vote or something he could have had

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Speaker 3: like a bunch of members of parliament and like could

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Speaker 3: like he just refused, said no and went back into

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01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: the bush for another ten years of war. And so

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Speaker 3: I worry that, like I'll have a lot more grays,

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Speaker 3: You'll have some grays, and we'll be here twenty years

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01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: from now still talking about this. If we if we don't,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 4: Well, as Rian mentioned, we're going to be doing this

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Speaker 4: on Wednesdays in the near future, just to provide updates.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about the family conditions next week and yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's dire on a week by week basis, so

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Speaker 4: make sure to subscribe if you want those videos in

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 4: your feed, and we will be heading into our interview

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Speaker 4: with Elizabeth Warrener