Speaker 1: And I'm back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Dirt Durham and I'm running solo today and uh,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, did everyone have a really great
Speaker 1: Fourth of July? My wife and I and the dogs,
Speaker 1: and my son and his wife. We spent some quality
Speaker 1: time out in the great outdoors. I checked a lot
Speaker 1: of game cameras, hiked all over, I rode dirt bikes.
Speaker 1: It was it was great. It was really fun. We
Speaker 1: did cut the trip short. We came home on July fourth,
Speaker 1: the day and we got back to town probably ten
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, so it's just getting pretty dark. And
Speaker 1: we live in the Treasure Valley here, the Boise whole
Speaker 1: area if you don't know where the Treasure Valley is.
Speaker 1: And as we're coming into town and driving to our house,
Speaker 1: it was crazy how many people were letting off fireworks.
Speaker 1: It was probably the most money I've ever seen people
Speaker 1: spend on fireworks. And I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: normal for every year down here, because we're normally in
Speaker 1: the mountains. On the Fourth of July, my black lab Jocko.
Speaker 1: He's not a big fan of him. He gets pretty
Speaker 1: scared of him, but we're always in the mountains camping
Speaker 1: and doing our due diligence for summer, summer elk scouting
Speaker 1: and stuff. But anyway, there was man, there was some big,
Speaker 1: impressive displays of fireworks all over town. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: where you were out in the valley. They're just huge,
Speaker 1: huge fireworks going off everywhere. In fact, it looked like
Speaker 1: the whole town was on fire. Burning as far as
Speaker 1: much as how much smoke was in the air, it
Speaker 1: was crazy. It just the smoke was ever driving down
Speaker 1: the freeway, it was just it was just a fog.
Speaker 1: In fact, you can even smell it. You can just
Speaker 1: smell that that that sulfurry, pungent smell. Fireworks make you
Speaker 1: all know that smell. It almost smells like gunpowder. Almost
Speaker 1: my favorite smell I smell. I let my I think
Speaker 1: my favorite smell might be pine sap and elk p
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's forty four days till September. But I
Speaker 1: don't know who's counting besides me, A few of you
Speaker 1: are counting out there. But I will say I do
Speaker 1: love September. It's my favorite time of year. But I
Speaker 1: am pumping the brakes a little bit. I do love
Speaker 1: my summertime. I love camping, I love checking trail cameras,
Speaker 1: like setting trail cameras. I love being to the mountains.
Speaker 1: I love dirt bike riding. I got me a dirt bike.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know if it's a midlife crisis purchase
Speaker 1: or what, but I got a new dirt bike this year.
Speaker 1: It's a KTM three point fifty ex excd F for
Speaker 1: you dirt bikers out there, it's a pretty badass bike.
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying it. My son bought a new bike
Speaker 1: and we've been riding those around. It's been super fun.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this week, I want to talk about non
Speaker 1: typical elk calling. Now, when I say non typical, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm trying to call it a non typical
Speaker 1: bull elk. I mean that I would love to call
Speaker 1: it a non tippical bull elk. They're just so uncommon.
Speaker 1: But what I'm talking about is using vocalizations that aren't
Speaker 1: maybe your cookie cutter type vocalizations. Per se. We all
Speaker 1: know that that three note bugle that that we've all
Speaker 1: grown accustomed to love. But I will say, over the years,
Speaker 1: I've found that helk don't always are They're not always
Speaker 1: making that same bugle over and over. They have a
Speaker 1: pretty big repertoire in their vocabulary. Now, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here and try to say I'm Doctor Doolittle
Speaker 1: and I know exactly what these elk are saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that, but usually I can tell by the
Speaker 1: way they sound, with the intensity, the temperature, if you will,
Speaker 1: if it's hot, if they if they sound mad, you
Speaker 1: know you can tell it's it's it's an aggressive type sound.
Speaker 1: But some of these sounds are non aggressive, but they're
Speaker 1: still talking. And that's what I want to want to
Speaker 1: go over today. Maybe you guys watched my film called
Speaker 1: Ghost Bowls of the North on YouTube that was released
Speaker 1: earlier this year. If you haven't check it out, it's
Speaker 1: on the Phelps Game Calls YouTube channel. Anyway, if you
Speaker 1: notice in there, I don't go straight to a lot
Speaker 1: of those cookie cutter three no bugles, just your typical
Speaker 1: elk calling sounds that maybe you've grown accustomed to hearing.
Speaker 1: While someone's calling elk now locating, I kind of go
Speaker 1: through those just to try to get an answer. But
Speaker 1: once I make contact with the bull, then I'm going
Speaker 1: to assess his disposition, his temperament, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: assess what he responds to and kind of go from there.
Speaker 1: So as that conversation builds with that bull, I'm going
Speaker 1: to figure out what he's responding to best. Now, sometimes
Speaker 1: we'll get this conversation going, we'll get two or three
Speaker 1: bugles out of him, and then I will make a
Speaker 1: bugle that he won't reply to. And I almost feel
Speaker 1: like it's the same as having a conversation with a
Speaker 1: person when you say something to them that make them
Speaker 1: that maybe takes them back a little better. Maybe they
Speaker 1: kind of they don't respond because it made them uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I kind of in my mind, I kind of use
Speaker 1: that same thought process. So if I've made a bugle
Speaker 1: or a certain call and he stops responding, I have
Speaker 1: to analyze did he not like that sound? Was I
Speaker 1: too aggressive? Was I not aggressive enough? How had the
Speaker 1: conversation been going before? Maybe he'd been giving me those
Speaker 1: kind of lackluster mony type bugles, and I tried to
Speaker 1: escalate a little bit by giving him a three note
Speaker 1: bugle with a little bit of a little bit of
Speaker 1: gusto behind it. I'll demonstrate the gusto behind it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I gave him one of those, and that just shut
Speaker 1: him down all of a sudden, he don't want to
Speaker 1: talk anymore. So in my mind, I think, well, maybe
Speaker 1: that was too aggressive. I need to tone it down
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I need to go back to
Speaker 1: where we kind of started, back to where what he
Speaker 1: was answering with and responding with. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times it's the same groany bugle. So I'm doing kind
Speaker 1: of a copycat bugle, and it's going to be that low, mony,
Speaker 1: groany type bugle. It could mean the bulls just not
Speaker 1: looking for a fight, but he wants to talk and say,
Speaker 1: hey man, how's it going. Or I'm over here too,
Speaker 1: if there's any ladies around, but I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: fight anybody. Or maybe it's in the middle of the
Speaker 1: day and you've heard that same mony bugle from that
Speaker 1: same little spot, that same little north facing patch. Little
Speaker 1: there's a steep ridge with a little saddle or a
Speaker 1: little bench on it, and you keep hearing that same
Speaker 1: old mony bugle, and I say, mony bugle, it's gonna
Speaker 1: sound kind of like this, and it's not gonna sound
Speaker 1: exactly right. Course I'm not an elk, but this is
Speaker 1: my this is my rendition of it, just a kind
Speaker 1: of low bugle. It almost kind of sounds like an
Speaker 1: elk who don't even really know how to bugle. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of sound it is. So if he's making
Speaker 1: a lot of those, then I'm going to be making
Speaker 1: a lot of those, because I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: to I don't want to push him away too quickly.
Speaker 1: So it's no different than a conversation. When you walk
Speaker 1: up to someone, you start having a conversation and you start,
Speaker 1: you know, raising your voice and getting aggressive with them.
Speaker 1: A lot of times people just back off and just like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with this guy? And then they leave. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that to the elk. I want
Speaker 1: to have him. I want to engage him in this
Speaker 1: conversation with the same amount of same amount of attitude, right,
Speaker 1: and as we talk back and forth after a while,
Speaker 1: if you just keep it up, keep it up. A
Speaker 1: lot of times they will escalate because finally they're just like,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of tired of talking to you, and they
Speaker 1: may give you a little bit more of an aggressive bugle,
Speaker 1: which is what I'm really after. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: trick him into getting mad so if he does a
Speaker 1: grony bugle, I'm gonna do a grony bugle something like that. Now,
Speaker 1: I may even I don't know if I've talked about
Speaker 1: this before on this podcast, I talked about a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of different podcasts out there I've been the
Speaker 1: guest on. But a lot of times when I'm having
Speaker 1: these grony bugles, they don't reply back and forth real quickly.
Speaker 1: You know, it may be four or five minutes in
Speaker 1: between from the time I call to the time he replies.
Speaker 1: So what a lot of times I'll do as I'll
Speaker 1: set my stopwatch on my phone, and as soon as
Speaker 1: I bugle, I push go and I time how long
Speaker 1: it takes him to reply. Now, this may take, you know,
Speaker 1: an hour or two of back and forth with this
Speaker 1: bowl depending maybe maybe not, But I'm timing how long
Speaker 1: it takes in between him and I for him to
Speaker 1: reply to me. And as soon as he replies, I
Speaker 1: push stop and look at it, and then I push
Speaker 1: it again and I wait that same amount of time
Speaker 1: before I reply again. So I'm giving him space. So
Speaker 1: then I just keep in my head, like, how long
Speaker 1: did it take him three minutes? Five minutes and after
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, maybe even an hour, I'll start seeing that
Speaker 1: time decrease. So instead of waiting five minutes between his
Speaker 1: reply and mind, it's now three minutes and two minutes,
Speaker 1: so I can see things are progressing. Right. By doing this,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy to get distracted. You know, you may
Speaker 1: want to take a nap, or you may want to
Speaker 1: sit there and watch the squirrels or eat lunch or whatever.
Speaker 1: But if you keep track of the time on it,
Speaker 1: you can say, man, things are just starting to pick
Speaker 1: up here, so you can kind of ready yourself and
Speaker 1: start making the game plan of what to do next.
Speaker 1: And once things pick up, and especially once he makes
Speaker 1: that more aggressive type call, then that's when you want
Speaker 1: to escalate your calls. Okay, now I want to move
Speaker 1: on to the next. Thing is bark chuckles and bark screams.
Speaker 1: What's a bark chuckle? I'll demonstrate what's a bark scream?
Speaker 1: Why in the world would you bark at a bull?
Speaker 1: Elk Isn't the bark like a sound of alarm? Yes
Speaker 1: it is, but also it's a sound that elk u's
Speaker 1: bull elk U's when they're coming in to another bull.
Speaker 1: See you have two bulls exchanging bugles. They both go
Speaker 1: towards each other, and at some point the bull hangs
Speaker 1: up like this happens to real elk two. That's not
Speaker 1: just for hunters. Elk hang up on elk. Elk are
Speaker 1: very visual. They want to size up their opponent, so
Speaker 1: they get in there pretty close, and typically it's about
Speaker 1: that fifty yard marker. So a lot of times they
Speaker 1: hang up about fifty yards in between them, and the
Speaker 1: bull that I'm trying to call will come in and
Speaker 1: hang up and then display he'll start. He'll start rubbing
Speaker 1: a tree, start ripping the crap out of the ground.
Speaker 1: He'll rub, you know, he's like, Hey, I'm the big man,
Speaker 1: this is my spot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's working himself up into a frenzy, you know,
Speaker 1: getting enough bravery to come in and fight. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what's coming on through his head, but I
Speaker 1: think that I think that's some of it. But if
Speaker 1: this standoff lasts too long, let's say five ten minutes,
Speaker 1: bulls start becoming a little suspicious and they will sometimes
Speaker 1: bark and then they will bark again and chuckle, or
Speaker 1: they will bark again and scream, and it seems like
Speaker 1: the correlation. If they're barking and chuckling, they'd been doing
Speaker 1: a lot of bark. They'd been doing a lot of
Speaker 1: chuckling on the way in. They've been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of chuckling during this exchange. Or if it's a bark scream,
Speaker 1: they'd been doing a lot of bark and screaming. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: they've been doing a lot of screaming on the way in.
Speaker 1: So either one's great, because at that point when he barks,
Speaker 1: I know he's like, well, he's he thinks I'm an elk,
Speaker 1: but he just wants to see his adversary, right. He's
Speaker 1: trying to call me out. He wants to see me.
Speaker 1: He wants to see how big I am. He wants
Speaker 1: to see who I am. So at that time I
Speaker 1: will bark and chuckle to him, or bark and scream
Speaker 1: at him. And this may have to take place maybe once,
Speaker 1: maybe three or four times, and a lot of times.
Speaker 1: If I bark, chuckle or bark and scream and move
Speaker 1: up you know, ten yards, five yards, just make noise,
Speaker 1: moving towards him a little bit. That's all it's going
Speaker 1: to take, and he will, really he'll reveal himself and
Speaker 1: he'll come out and a lot of times it's going
Speaker 1: to come out in more of a broadside fashion, sometimes
Speaker 1: straight on, but a lot of times they'll they'll come
Speaker 1: towards you and then get broadside because they want to
Speaker 1: look big, they want to show they want to show off,
Speaker 1: they want to show you what they brought. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: a big animal. Look at me. I'm going to show
Speaker 1: you my antlers from the side. Who are you? And
Speaker 1: if you're ready, you can capitalize on that with a shot.
Speaker 1: Now here's a now here's a really non typical elk
Speaker 1: vocalization that I've been using. Now, I can't say that
Speaker 1: it has worked for the good or worked for the bad,
Speaker 1: but it's it's silly and I always kind of kind
Speaker 1: of giggled myself when I'm doing it. And cameraman Dusty
Speaker 1: the first time I did, he made a funny face.
Speaker 1: But it's lip licking, So why I do the lip licking?
Speaker 1: Is one of my trail cameras. I had video of
Speaker 1: a bowl. Well, first, a cow walked by the camera.
Speaker 1: You know, she's good, just having a day, and just
Speaker 1: a few steps behind her was in a really nice
Speaker 1: bowl and he kind of stopped right right in mid
Speaker 1: camera and let out a bugle, and then he followed
Speaker 1: on to her. But as he did it he went,
Speaker 1: he was licking his lips, making a little lick licking,
Speaker 1: popping noise with his his lips or his with his tongue.
Speaker 1: Now it's not to be confused with a glunk. Now,
Speaker 1: the glunk is a more of that hollow the dunk noise.
Speaker 1: This was literally lick lipping, you can see it, or
Speaker 1: lip licking. And he's more licking his nose right, so
Speaker 1: his his tongue's going up and it's hitting his nose
Speaker 1: and he's licking pretty fast. I hope that picks up
Speaker 1: that sound. And you look like an idiot doing it, well,
Speaker 1: I do, and people are gonna say, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're so weird? But I thought, you know, I saw
Speaker 1: that that's that's real elk sounds. I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the proverbial silver bullet everybody's been looking for. Right, Like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this the first time I do this
Speaker 1: to a bowl, and he's close, he just won't kind
Speaker 1: of commit. He's gonna hear that. He's gonna come boiling
Speaker 1: in here. To fight because he knows there's a cow
Speaker 1: ready to go. So I did it to no reaction,
Speaker 1: and I find that's the same reaction from elk I
Speaker 1: get with glunking. You know, people will attempt to glunk
Speaker 1: with their mouth, some people will attempt to glunk with
Speaker 1: a diaphragm into their tube. Some people just do it
Speaker 1: with their tube. I'll demonstrate with the tube. Now, the
Speaker 1: cadence may sound like a glunk, and some of the
Speaker 1: little almost a little boing noise almost sounds like a glunk,
Speaker 1: but honestly it doesn't really out like a real elt plunking.
Speaker 1: I've done it a lot over the years. Did it work? No?
Speaker 1: Did it? Did it make them run away? No? I
Speaker 1: didn't make them run away either. So I'm pretty on
Speaker 1: the fence on the glunking thing and the lick lipping
Speaker 1: thing or the lip licking thing. So take it or
Speaker 1: leave it. So the next portion of the podcast is
Speaker 1: the Q and A section, So we have some listeners
Speaker 1: call in with some questions I'm gonna answer right here
Speaker 1: on the air. This portion of the podcast is brought
Speaker 1: to you by Pendleton Whiskey, letter Buck all right, color
Speaker 1: number one, Hey.
Speaker 3: Jason, Hey, Derk. This is Blake from across the Pond,
Speaker 3: north side of Hell, just calling with less of a
Speaker 3: question and more of a challenge for Jason sells more
Speaker 3: signature calls than the Maverick series. I say Dirk has
Speaker 3: to hunt this year with his recurve, has to hunt
Speaker 3: on his Idaho tag with a recurve. Thanks, guys, love.
Speaker 1: Bought all right, Old Blake Lyons from North Idaho. I
Speaker 1: know that kid, good guy, good Elk hunter thinks he's
Speaker 1: kind of a wiseacre. It seems like hey, Blake, as
Speaker 1: much as I would absolutely positively love to haunt Elk
Speaker 1: in Idaho this year with a recurve bow, I think
Speaker 1: we both know that Jason's not going to sell more
Speaker 1: pink diaphragms than than Maverick diaphragms. I know it's a
Speaker 1: big aspiration for him, and someday maybe he'll crack the code.
Speaker 1: But but man, man, that Maverick Militia, the uh help
Speaker 1: my Maverick Elk diaphragm people out there. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. I don't think they're gonna let that stand.
Speaker 1: But we may have to figure out some other contests,
Speaker 1: or maybe I'm just gonna go and shoot you know,
Speaker 1: go hunting with a traditional bow. I do have one.
Speaker 1: I do have a recurve. I love shooting it. It's fun.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of being a kid shooting sling shots
Speaker 1: and and my old recurved bows and stuff. It just
Speaker 1: takes you different a different time. It just it's so fun,
Speaker 1: it's so free, it's it's definitely a different experience than
Speaker 1: than shooting a compound. So anyway, thanks for calling Blake.
Speaker 1: All right, caller number two.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, just Blake Lions again from Northern Idaho. It's
Speaker 3: just calling again to kind of pick your brain on
Speaker 3: a couple of things. Guy who's hunted North Idaho and
Speaker 3: successful North Ida hull for probably the last fifteen years,
Speaker 3: what would a guy have to expect? What are the
Speaker 3: main differences going from hunting North Idaho to stay jumping
Speaker 3: down in uh maybe a southern unit in Idaho or
Speaker 3: maybe more of a southern state. I understand water is
Speaker 3: going to be scarce, but what are some other things
Speaker 3: that a guy needs to be more prepared for. Elevations
Speaker 3: aren't too different. We're ranging up here anywhere from three
Speaker 3: thousand upwards to seven thousand, so the elevation is not
Speaker 3: a factor, But what are some other types of think
Speaker 3: the guy needs to take into consideration before jumping down south.
Speaker 1: Thanks, that's a great question, Blake with a two for
Speaker 1: two calls. Yeah. So, you know, since I've cut my
Speaker 1: teeth grown north hunting and growing up in North Idaho,
Speaker 1: then in my mind I always thought, oh, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start hunting South Idaho. There's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot less brush. You know. North Idaho's's a that's a jungle. Really,
Speaker 1: it's nasty, thick brush everywhere. For the most part, South
Speaker 1: Idaho is different in the ways. So you're a lot
Speaker 1: of the lot of the units in southern Idaho. Or
Speaker 1: let's say, if you cut this the skinny part of
Speaker 1: the state off and everything in that rectangular box in
Speaker 1: the bottom, a lot of those places you're south facing
Speaker 1: slopes won't have much for vegetation. Now, there may be
Speaker 1: some trees, depend on the company country. You know, the
Speaker 1: further north you get in that box, you'll have more
Speaker 1: more timber and a little bit of brush on those hillsides.
Speaker 1: But the further south you get, especially if there's a
Speaker 1: lot of sagebrush present those south facing slopes, you'll have
Speaker 1: sagebrush and grass and virtually no other kind of brush,
Speaker 1: and sometimes no sagebrush, depending on how how dry the
Speaker 1: hillside is. And then on the north face will have
Speaker 1: timber of some kind. Now some places will have sparse timber,
Speaker 1: some places will have heavy timber with tons of brush. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, some of the places I've been in the
Speaker 1: southeast Idaho, they're great. I thought North Idaho was brushy.
Speaker 1: It's just a different kind of brush. Those north faces
Speaker 1: can be just as brushy, if not brushier. Also you'll
Speaker 1: find stands of aspens. So growing up up north, I
Speaker 1: always thought, oh, man, I would love to be able
Speaker 1: to hunt in the aspens. Man, some of them places
Speaker 1: here down south, these aspen stands, big beautiful aspen stands.
Speaker 1: You look at them from a far you're like, oh, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I heard some bugling up there. Let's go. And you
Speaker 1: get up there, and underneath the canopy of the large
Speaker 1: mature aspens is brush, and a lot of it is
Speaker 1: immature aspens and all. So this brush it's called service berry,
Speaker 1: service berry. I've heard different people call it different things
Speaker 1: for where I'm from. But it's a thick brush, very
Speaker 1: stiff branches. It can grow pretty tall, can grow ten
Speaker 1: feet tall. And it has a little blueberry on it,
Speaker 1: which looks like a huckleberry, or it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a huckleberry, but more like a blueberry. Doesn't taste anything
Speaker 1: like a blueberry huckleberry. You can hey, knock yourself out,
Speaker 1: pick a bunch, eat them, make a pie, put them
Speaker 1: in your pancakes, full of buddy whatever. But you know,
Speaker 1: they don't taste bad. They just don't taste like much
Speaker 1: of anything. They're kind of just kind of green, not
Speaker 1: a lot of flavor there. But anyway, that brush is
Speaker 1: almost in printed, impenetrable. But if you can get through it,
Speaker 1: find your way through it. You know, you can chase
Speaker 1: bugles all day and you have bowls five ten yards
Speaker 1: away and not have a shot while the leaves are
Speaker 1: still on now, once the leaves fall off of those
Speaker 1: later in September, the leaves will fall off the sarvice
Speaker 1: berry or service berry bushes, they're almost like a small tree.
Speaker 1: But once those leaves fall off, you can see you
Speaker 1: can see probably forty fifty yards ahead of you, but
Speaker 1: you can't shoot five yards. You shoot thirty yards. A
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff, so you can chase bugles around
Speaker 1: all day in those kind of places and never ever
Speaker 1: get close enough to even lay eyes on a bowl.
Speaker 1: He'll just stay right outside. He'll stay at the edge
Speaker 1: of the one of those, you know, just fifty sixty
Speaker 1: yards out to where he's just like, oh, he sees
Speaker 1: some movement coming, now he goes away again. So that's
Speaker 1: super challenging. That's one of the things about southern Idaho
Speaker 1: that's different. Water is a big deal too. You know,
Speaker 1: down down here in southern Idaho, elk will travel a
Speaker 1: long distance to get water. Now, some places that look
Speaker 1: dry as can be, and you think, oh, man, there's
Speaker 1: not any water anywhere in here, But there's really good
Speaker 1: springs and little little ponds or a lake or something.
Speaker 1: There's some pretty good water in some of these places.
Speaker 1: But other places there's just hardly any water. So they
Speaker 1: have to go down from the top of the mountain
Speaker 1: down to the bottom, down to the crick bottom, you know,
Speaker 1: a large drainage to get water every day. And sometimes
Speaker 1: those are close to road. Sometimes they're close to people's
Speaker 1: camps and they don't seem to mind it because it's
Speaker 1: nighttime they go down there. So those guys that run
Speaker 1: generators all night in their campers. They're not hearing those bugles.
Speaker 1: That's a pro tip. Don't run your generator all night.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need it for your seapap. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but anyhow, or even first thing in the morning, I've
Speaker 1: I've been around people's camps. I've been up on the
Speaker 1: hill and here a generator running first thing in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I got bulls bugling everywhere around me. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've bet those guys don't have a clue. There's elk
Speaker 1: bugling up here. And because they're you know, running their generators,
Speaker 1: maybe they get up, run their generators, get there, put
Speaker 1: their heaters on, get their their daste, bar, brew some coffee,
Speaker 1: get ready to go hunting, and maybe leave them running
Speaker 1: a morning to to charge their batteries or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but elk will travel a long distance for
Speaker 1: food and for or excuse me, for water and for food.
Speaker 1: Some areas that have a lot of agriculture, you know
Speaker 1: there there's irrigation down here where you know, North Idaho,
Speaker 1: it's all all dry country farming. You know. They don't
Speaker 1: irrigate hay fields, they don't irrigate wheat fields, they don't
Speaker 1: irrigate their agriculture up north Idaho. Down south, they have to,
Speaker 1: so you know, they'll you'll have irrigation pivots and irrigation
Speaker 1: lines down there everywhere in the valley floor. So those elk,
Speaker 1: they can travel five six miles from the peak of
Speaker 1: a mountain all the way down at night to eat
Speaker 1: alfalfa and then turn around before first light and get
Speaker 1: halfway up the mountain before the sun ever rises. So
Speaker 1: that's a that's that's something to keep in mind. So
Speaker 1: if you're you know, you're hearing bugles at night down
Speaker 1: by those fields, probably not. It's in on all that
Speaker 1: private land. It's probably not the best place to think.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to hunt down here in the morning.
Speaker 1: Now you want to kind of try to figure out
Speaker 1: where those elk are going to go during the daytime.
Speaker 1: So they're going to climb up, but probably a pretty
Speaker 1: barren hillside until they find a nice, nice north face
Speaker 1: two three four thousand feet above the valley floor to
Speaker 1: bed down for the day. And also maybe you know,
Speaker 1: of course, using your calls a lot works good down south,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times, you know, maybe that the
Speaker 1: first few the first hour of light every morning would
Speaker 1: be better served getting on a high point with binoculars
Speaker 1: with a spotter and just find an elk finding animals,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, a lot of time. It's
Speaker 1: really big country. You know, you can you can cover
Speaker 1: a lot of big country because it's pretty open, and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to see those animals right at that
Speaker 1: first light moving from food source. You know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: no agg around, but you'll see them from the south
Speaker 1: side of the mountain over to the north sides. You
Speaker 1: you'll catch them lingering in some of the edges and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then now you have a game plan. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know where the elk are at. We'll make a
Speaker 1: mark mark on our on X map and then and
Speaker 1: then go after them. So that's my my, uh my
Speaker 1: take on South versus North. And oh, one more thing
Speaker 1: I will say, there there are more elk and south
Speaker 1: South Idaho, North Idaho it's there. You know, there's some patches,
Speaker 1: there's some pretty decent elk, but for the most part
Speaker 1: it's it's a little barn up there. There's a lot
Speaker 1: you can if you don't know where you're going, you
Speaker 1: can spend a lot of time even trying to find
Speaker 1: an elk track let alone an ELK. So I will
Speaker 1: say there there are more more better units down south,
Speaker 1: better easier winters, less wolves, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: units down south are managed for for for better uh,
Speaker 1: better numbers, better trophy quality. A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of the rifle hunts are controlled. That means you have
Speaker 1: to apply, you have to to apply for a lottery
Speaker 1: to see if your name gets drawn for an ELK
Speaker 1: tag to cut with a rifle. But some of them
Speaker 1: are over the counter archery. Some are a cap zone
Speaker 1: that's where they only sell a very limited number of
Speaker 1: these these tags in that zone. So there can be
Speaker 1: several different reasons why there's more ELK in that part
Speaker 1: of Idaho. But I probably shouldn't have said that. I
Speaker 1: just let the cat out of the bag, all right,
Speaker 1: Onto caller number three.
Speaker 4: Hey, get Andy gotfrie had of Boisie. You's got through
Speaker 4: listening to your episode eighty seven. I mean season plans
Speaker 4: and I mean questions. My question is we are going
Speaker 4: in the unit? Well, I'm not gonna tell you. I
Speaker 4: guess I can tell you when we're going into the
Speaker 4: Frank Church playing the Frank Church. And I know that
Speaker 4: you know we're backpacking in we're doing all that, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna have a base camp and then a bitty
Speaker 4: camp here and there wherever we find the elphie, the
Speaker 4: deer whatever. And my question is, when you're out there
Speaker 4: doing that kind of hunt and you don't I mean,
Speaker 4: we're flying in so we're kind of stuck in this spot.
Speaker 1: How would you go about.
Speaker 4: Hunting that type of a scenario as far as you know,
Speaker 4: when you're not in anything and you don't have the
Speaker 4: ability to move fast, just moves kind of slow. There
Speaker 4: any like just scenarios or ideas that you guys have
Speaker 4: run into when you can't really just jump out on
Speaker 4: a truck and head out or on ATV and post
Speaker 4: somewhere a different couple ten miles away or whatever. What
Speaker 4: would you do in that scenario as far as trying
Speaker 4: to track down the game you're looking for?
Speaker 1: Wow, what an adventure. Flying into the frank Church Wilderness
Speaker 1: some big Gnarly country. I believe it's the largest expansive
Speaker 1: wilderness in the lower forty eight and right here in Idaho,
Speaker 1: big g Harley Country. It's deep and deep. So if
Speaker 1: you get flown into one of those back country landing strips,
Speaker 1: chances are you're not going to be alone. There could
Speaker 1: be other people there. I know certain certain times of
Speaker 1: the year, like mule their season, for instance, later on
Speaker 1: in November, those places can be very busy without other hunters.
Speaker 1: So I would plan on bivvy hunting. I would care,
Speaker 1: I would have my camp in my backpack. Right I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt right there from the landing strip and
Speaker 1: just kind of hunt within a mile or two of
Speaker 1: the landing Strip. I feel like it's going to take
Speaker 1: the type of effort you're gonna have to get at
Speaker 1: least two three miles away from that landing strip to
Speaker 1: get away from a lot of people, and maybe even
Speaker 1: beyond that. Now, I'm not familiar with the area. I
Speaker 1: haven't really even looked at the Frank Church. I've never
Speaker 1: been there myself. I don't know if there's any if
Speaker 1: there's good trail systems there from those from those landing strips.
Speaker 1: But maybe if you can find a good trail and
Speaker 1: just get some miles between you and that landing strip
Speaker 1: and other people distance yourself, then once you get a
Speaker 1: ways on that trail, then I would go cross country.
Speaker 1: I would climb, I would climb elevation. I would get
Speaker 1: out of there. I would imagine if it's September, if
Speaker 1: it's early season, elk a going to be higher. If
Speaker 1: it's in November, elk are probably going to be lower.
Speaker 1: You know, there'll probably be in that bottom third of
Speaker 1: the canyon. Versus September, they're probably going to be upper
Speaker 1: in upper elevations, and that probably in that from right
Speaker 1: in the middle maybe. But that being said that those
Speaker 1: drain the drainages there are so huge and so vast,
Speaker 1: you know, it could be four thousand feet maybe further so,
Speaker 1: several miles from the river clear to the top. It's
Speaker 1: not a small undertaking by any means. So I would
Speaker 1: have a bavy camp ready to go on your pack,
Speaker 1: prepared to camp out for three to five days depending.
Speaker 1: I would leave camp with plenty of water and have
Speaker 1: a water bladder completely full. I would probably have a
Speaker 1: couple now jeans full of water. That's just me. I
Speaker 1: like to carry them in those now jeens or some
Speaker 1: kind of other water carrying bladder, something that you maybe
Speaker 1: have another sixty four ounces of water at least. That way,
Speaker 1: if you can, if you get away, you hike out,
Speaker 1: you can get away from the people for at least
Speaker 1: a day or two. And let's say you run out
Speaker 1: of water and it's like, well, gee whiz, I wish
Speaker 1: you know we had some water to filter there. There
Speaker 1: should be some water to filter in certain places, but
Speaker 1: expected to be a pretty dry country for the most part.
Speaker 1: Elk are probably not going to be right at the
Speaker 1: river during September, then it would be my guess. So
Speaker 1: and you may have to like branch out, like you know,
Speaker 1: you may have to go out this direction for two
Speaker 1: or three or four days and and see if you
Speaker 1: find any elk. You may have to go the complete
Speaker 1: opposite direction the next go around. You just kind of
Speaker 1: have to kind of use that landing strip is your
Speaker 1: base as your base, and then go out for a
Speaker 1: few days, come back, replenish your supplies, go a different direction,
Speaker 1: or go back. Maybe you did find elk, then go
Speaker 1: back and load up heavy with with more supplies to
Speaker 1: where you can stay for a little longer. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we know there's a bunch of elk over here, we
Speaker 1: can hunt for several days. We'll go ahead and take
Speaker 1: extra food. We found lots of water, so we don't
Speaker 1: have to weigh ourselves down with a bunch of water.
Speaker 1: You kind of It's one of those things you kind
Speaker 1: of don't know until you go. But I feel like
Speaker 1: the best practice here is going to be get away
Speaker 1: from that landing strip because it's it's ugly, it's ugly,
Speaker 1: intimidating country, and it's going to be it's gonna be
Speaker 1: an undertaking. It's gonna be an undertaking. But be in
Speaker 1: the best shape you're life, and have a positive mindset.
Speaker 1: Just get after it, all right. Color number four, Hey
Speaker 1: Derek on.
Speaker 5: The show, Drew, I drew and help or fair tag
Speaker 5: so long and all over the counter help tag in
Speaker 5: Colorado this year and was wondering if you had any
Speaker 5: kids technique mining or uh honey unfair Technically I had
Speaker 5: to help his obviously the gold with the group, but
Speaker 5: also thanks time life.
Speaker 2: Over help.
Speaker 1: Okay, that colors the quality was real scratchy. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to preface what he said, or preface I
Speaker 1: try to. I'm just gonna try to repeat what he
Speaker 1: said because it was really hard to hear. So he's
Speaker 1: a Colorado elk hunter and he drew a bear tag
Speaker 1: to go along with his elk hunt this fall, and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of wondering what kind of tips
Speaker 1: and tactics would he use to try to secondarily fill
Speaker 1: his bear tag. So if if I were in his shoes,
Speaker 1: I do know if some friends at certain parts of
Speaker 1: Colorado have tons of bears, and they run into bears
Speaker 1: a lot during the hunt, so you just may just
Speaker 1: shoot one just out of the blue. You'd be walking along,
Speaker 1: Oh there's a really nice bear, you shoot it. Or
Speaker 1: maybe the bear comes to your calling, set up and
Speaker 1: shoot it then. But maybe you're having a slow day
Speaker 1: el hunting. But dang it, there's a dandy bear over
Speaker 1: on the hillside and you want to take after him.
Speaker 1: So I would go over there, get set up, get
Speaker 1: where the wind's good. And there's a call that I
Speaker 1: take with me everywhere, it doesn't matter if it's September, October, November, December.
Speaker 1: I have this little call I always have with me.
Speaker 1: It's called a fawn jack call that we say I'll
Speaker 1: hear at Phelps. And if you blow lightly on it,
Speaker 1: you can make the sound of a fawn in distress.
Speaker 1: If you blow hard on it, it sounds like a
Speaker 1: jack rabbit. So here's the fawn and then here's the jackrabbit.
Speaker 1: Sounds awful. An noise everyone in the house, but bears, coyotes,
Speaker 1: mountain lions, wolves, everything that's a predator likes the sound
Speaker 1: of an animal in distress and it makes them think, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a free meal, here's an easy meal. So maybe
Speaker 1: the bear's not in a good stalkable spot, but you
Speaker 1: can get semi close and start blasting with one of
Speaker 1: these heretor calls or a preader call, whatever one you
Speaker 1: have at home, and then just keep calling. So once
Speaker 1: you get the bear's attention, he starts coming towards you.
Speaker 1: Keep calling, keep calling, keep calling. If you have a buddy,
Speaker 1: let him get behind you a little ways. That way
Speaker 1: the bear walk right into you. It can be a
Speaker 1: hair raising experience. But the bears kind of get sidetracked
Speaker 1: a little bit as they're coming to that. So if
Speaker 1: you you call, call, call, and then you stop once
Speaker 1: he kind of disappears like you get, he may just
Speaker 1: lose an interest and walk off. So just keep calling
Speaker 1: until he comes in, especially if you have a buddy
Speaker 1: that can back up and call for you. But that's
Speaker 1: how I do it, or maybe even just calf in
Speaker 1: distress calls, you know, like a calf elk that's lost
Speaker 1: its mama. Or it's it's hurt or something. You can
Speaker 1: make those calf and distress calls. And bears love those two,
Speaker 1: especially spring bears, they love those those calf elk that
Speaker 1: are in distress. I'll demonstrate what it sounds like. Very
Speaker 1: high pitched, very needy, very scared. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: sound you're gonna want to bake with your diaphragm. So
Speaker 1: I was just using my Maverick Elk diaphragm just then.
Speaker 1: So whatever diaphragm that you like like to use, that's
Speaker 1: that you can achieve that really high pitch. That's the
Speaker 1: way to go. If you don't have one, you might
Speaker 1: try the Maverick because it is a very tight stretch,
Speaker 1: very thick like decks, and you can you can push
Speaker 1: real hard on it and apply a lot of air
Speaker 1: pressure to get those high pitched sounds. All right, Color
Speaker 1: number five.
Speaker 3: My name is Noah Reynolds and I'm from Oregon.
Speaker 5: I'm living in hunting for l To just east of
Speaker 5: the Cascades, close to the Washington Oregon border.
Speaker 6: And I'm really enjoying this podcast.
Speaker 3: So I've been tuning in a lot lately, and I have.
Speaker 4: Some questions about elk coming so in the era I
Speaker 4: hunt in.
Speaker 3: There's just pockets of elk that are generally hard to locate.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a Lily's rifle hunt in late August,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering what you guys think these pockets.
Speaker 3: Are going to be doing this early in the season.
Speaker 3: I'm also wondering al I should target these early season tows.
Speaker 3: Is it good to thrown some bugles? Thank you for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, thanks for calling in. That's a great question
Speaker 1: in that in any country that has a low elk density,
Speaker 1: or maybe there's there's just pockets elk. You know, there
Speaker 1: may be a lot of elk in that pocket, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's it's a long distance between each pocket. You
Speaker 1: really really have to cover some country now, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you're hunting country that has has been logged,
Speaker 1: you know, if there's logging roads. That's a great way
Speaker 1: to cover a lot of ground is get on a
Speaker 1: mountain bike an e bike if it's allowed. If you
Speaker 1: got one, they're kind of expensive, but even just a
Speaker 1: good old mountain bike and just cover some country. You know,
Speaker 1: you may have to push it up the hills and
Speaker 1: write it down the others, but it'll be faster than walking.
Speaker 1: But just covering a lot of country, that's how you
Speaker 1: find elk and pockets. You can't just kind of get
Speaker 1: hung up and say, well, I saw elk tracks here
Speaker 1: one time earlier in the summer, and I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: hunt this one spot. Well that maybe those elk move out.
Speaker 1: But from what I hear now, I've never I've never
Speaker 1: hunted roosevelts, but I have a lot of friends that do,
Speaker 1: and they say roosevelts are pretty They stick pretty tight
Speaker 1: to their little home area. You know, it may be
Speaker 1: one or two mile miles in circumference or whatever. But
Speaker 1: if you run into them there one week, chances are
Speaker 1: and you blow it up the next week, they'll probably
Speaker 1: still be in there. Now early in August. And most
Speaker 1: of the time, I wouldn't target cows with bugles. I
Speaker 1: would target cows with other cow calls. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would target them with calf calls. I would call like
Speaker 1: a lost calf. I kind of talked, I just demonstrated
Speaker 1: a calf in distress for the last caller, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to demonstrate just like a lost calf call here.
Speaker 1: Still that high pitched sound not quite as as needy
Speaker 1: or scared sounding as the calf in distress. But you
Speaker 1: can elevate it a little bit too, you can make
Speaker 1: it a little bit more scared or whatever. But if
Speaker 1: there's cows close by, let's say you've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of tracks, you've seen them feeding in the clearcuts or
Speaker 1: feeding them on an open hell side, and then they
Speaker 1: go and get the timber. If you get pretty close,
Speaker 1: you get the wind right and you start you start
Speaker 1: running your calf calls. A lot of times, especially if
Speaker 1: the cows are up up moving still, if it's like
Speaker 1: in the morning, they haven't bedded down for the day.
Speaker 1: A lot of times if you've if you've if you
Speaker 1: can get close to them and start making those lost
Speaker 1: calf cow sounds, those cows want to come over investigate.
Speaker 1: And if if you were hunting bulls, a lot of
Speaker 1: times that's a great way to get the bulls to
Speaker 1: come with. The cow will come and the bowl will
Speaker 1: be in tow, or maybe it's a mill of the day.
Speaker 1: A lot of times the bulls will come over and
Speaker 1: investigate on their own, sometimes even in the in the morning,
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, they'll they'll they'll come investigate those calf calls,
Speaker 1: So that's probably how I'd hit it. I would cover
Speaker 1: lots and lots of ground. I would use binoculars as
Speaker 1: much as they could, you know, to see from a distance.
Speaker 1: If if you're in kind of country that has some
Speaker 1: cletter cuts and stuff this summer leading up to that hunt,
Speaker 1: you know, August you said, leading up the weeks leading
Speaker 1: up to that, get out there on your mountain bike.
Speaker 1: Just cover ground and make a note where you're finding
Speaker 1: elk tracks. You know, if you have if you have
Speaker 1: onyx maps on your phone, make make little notes, you know,
Speaker 1: put a way mark or a waypoint where you're finding
Speaker 1: elk tracks. You know, if it's early enough, it's if
Speaker 1: it's like right now you can see what those elk tracks.
Speaker 1: You could kind of follow them, follow the tracks into
Speaker 1: the timber, maybe learn their trails if there are trails,
Speaker 1: unless it's really a thick country where they don't really
Speaker 1: do make a trail once to enter the timber, but
Speaker 1: you could kind of familiarize or sell yourself with the area.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is where those elk go. Learn
Speaker 1: the country now, where they where they like to feed
Speaker 1: at night and in the morning, and then where they
Speaker 1: go for those midday hours. Do your homework now, and
Speaker 1: then by August you don't want to You don't want
Speaker 1: to disturb them anymore. You just want to look at
Speaker 1: them from afar. You may jet rid the roads, you
Speaker 1: might walk the roads, whatever, make sure they're still there,
Speaker 1: and then come the opener. Then you execute. You go
Speaker 1: in and I would make a list, say, okay, this
Speaker 1: is the place I really want to go, this is
Speaker 1: the best look and sign the most elk signed go
Speaker 1: there first, and then have plant A, B, C, D, E,
Speaker 1: FG on through the alphabet all your little different spots
Speaker 1: have a marked mapped out. Maybe even write it down
Speaker 1: and say this is my game plan that way, because
Speaker 1: a lot of times on opening day you get there
Speaker 1: and shoot, there's somebody else there, or maybe the elk
Speaker 1: are just not behaving well. You'll have another plan immediately
Speaker 1: put into play and you're not spout out. So great question,
Speaker 1: all right. One last caller, caller number.
Speaker 2: Six, Hey Dirt, this is Bronson from Colorado.
Speaker 6: I just had a quick question about locating elk.
Speaker 2: I've noticed with fires in the area and stuff, you
Speaker 2: can expect five to ten years before it gets heavy
Speaker 2: and going. Unless you get a good rain that really
Speaker 2: brings up new forced quick.
Speaker 6: But while e scouting, I'll find places and think that
Speaker 6: they are the bee's knees until I get out there
Speaker 6: and there's no sign of life during after or prior
Speaker 6: to the elk hunt. So I know to be looking
Speaker 6: at pinch points and saddles and transitions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Water thermals and food.
Speaker 6: But is there something you specifically look at that kind
Speaker 6: of gives you the right idea that there will in
Speaker 6: fact be elk in there. I appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. On burns. That seems to be
Speaker 1: a hot topic with a lot of people these days,
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, so there's a lot of buzz
Speaker 1: I should say about burns, like, oh, you want to
Speaker 1: find elk, you got to go to a burn. Not
Speaker 1: all burns are the same. It's crazy to mend on
Speaker 1: the area, the country, whatever. There's some burns I've been
Speaker 1: to that elk just don't ever come back into much.
Speaker 1: They can be I don't know if it's what grows back,
Speaker 1: they're just not really interested in. I know some burns
Speaker 1: they get kind of taken over by a lot of
Speaker 1: noxious weeds. Now, like some places in North Idaho. In
Speaker 1: other places, like I've seen Washington and Oregon a big burn.
Speaker 1: They get this law that these tall plants that has
Speaker 1: a purple flower. I don't even I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're called. I should look it up. I should look
Speaker 1: it up. But man, at least in my hunting spots,
Speaker 1: nothing really seemed to eat those things. I've had people say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they eat those things that crazy where I'm at, But man,
Speaker 1: they don't eat them where I'm at. But then again,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of elk where I'm at too,
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's why there's just no elk there
Speaker 1: to eat them. So but I will say my experience
Speaker 1: with burns, I've literally hunted elk in a burn the
Speaker 1: same year it burns. So let's say in July it burnt.
Speaker 1: I'm in there September and I'm chasing bowls around. There's ash,
Speaker 1: there's even sometimes little smoky things around. You know, elk
Speaker 1: will go right back into where it burnt, right after
Speaker 1: the flames are gone. Sometimes there even be some smoke
Speaker 1: or some flames around and elk. They like that black
Speaker 1: burnt ash for some reason. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: tastes good to them. Maybe they liked to roll in
Speaker 1: it to keep the bugs off. I wish I knew,
Speaker 1: but they do like it, and that they'll get right
Speaker 1: back in there right after the burn. And then the
Speaker 1: first two or three years after the burn, that's when
Speaker 1: the most delicate, good, yummy, little green things are going
Speaker 1: to really grow grow up and elk will really key
Speaker 1: into them. Then five ten years down the road that
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's when things can kind of
Speaker 1: get weird with a lot of noxious weeds or just
Speaker 1: maybe just overgrown brush and little little sapling. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have an area where the jackfurs or the
Speaker 1: little the little pine trees they grow up, those things
Speaker 1: can grow thick as dog's hair and they'll choke out
Speaker 1: a lot of good things that elk like to eat
Speaker 1: and deer. So it just depends on what you're looking
Speaker 1: at as far as food and feed. So that could
Speaker 1: be why you're coming up short on some of the
Speaker 1: places you've been checking out. Is maybe it's there's not
Speaker 1: enough food or the right kind of food that they're
Speaker 1: looking for. If there's burns that are happening this year,
Speaker 1: if they get them things put out and you're allowed
Speaker 1: to go in. That's another thing. Sometimes they don't lay
Speaker 1: you into these areas until the till the Forest Service
Speaker 1: or BLAM or whoever's property is till they release it
Speaker 1: to be opened back up the public. Look, because they'll
Speaker 1: shut it down for that fire because all the hazards.
Speaker 1: You know, it could even be a week after there
Speaker 1: hasn't been a puff as with a foot of snow
Speaker 1: on the ground, But it can take a week or
Speaker 1: longer just to get through the paperwork and the stuff
Speaker 1: to release it to make sure it's okay for the
Speaker 1: public to go into these places. But I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: afraid to go into those places right after, especially if
Speaker 1: it didn't burn super hot and just nuke off the place.
Speaker 1: If it has, you know, there's patches where it didn't burn,
Speaker 1: or maybe it just kind of slowly burned up through
Speaker 1: the understory, burning pine needles and low brush, but didn't
Speaker 1: just burn all the tops out of every tree. There's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be some elkrod out in that country. So
Speaker 1: that's how I would That's how I would play the game. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody listening. I wanted to let you guys
Speaker 1: know in the upcoming weeks I'm going to have an
Speaker 1: Elk calling master class right here on cutting the distance.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it the September tune Up. Each episode,
Speaker 1: I will walk you guys through how I make the
Speaker 1: Elk vocalizations personally use each September so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: want to miss that. And also, I'm gonna be doing
Speaker 1: a seminar in Emmett, Idaho on July twenty fourth, seven
Speaker 1: pm at Low Mountain Archery, Emmett. It's a tiny little
Speaker 1: town just north of the Boise area. I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for about five years out there for my good
Speaker 1: buddy Nick, who's the shop owner, and we always have
Speaker 1: a really good turnout. It's a little warm in his shop.
Speaker 1: There's there's usually plenty of seating, but create great place
Speaker 1: to go. I like the people there, and I love
Speaker 1: doing these kind of you know, these kind of seminars locally,
Speaker 1: so I don't have to travel very far. So if
Speaker 1: you're in the area, if you're in this area or
Speaker 1: within short driving distance, we'd love to see you. And ps,
Speaker 1: there's no cover charge, so everyone's welcome. This is a
Speaker 1: free show. Well, thanks for listening. September is right around
Speaker 1: the corner so you know what that means. Monsters are coming.