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Speaker 1: And I'm back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirt Durham and I'm running solo today and uh,

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Speaker 1: I was just wondering, did everyone have a really great

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Speaker 1: Fourth of July? My wife and I and the dogs,

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Speaker 1: and my son and his wife. We spent some quality

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Speaker 1: time out in the great outdoors. I checked a lot

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Speaker 1: of game cameras, hiked all over, I rode dirt bikes.

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Speaker 1: It was it was great. It was really fun. We

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Speaker 1: did cut the trip short. We came home on July fourth,

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Speaker 1: the day and we got back to town probably ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock at night, so it's just getting pretty dark. And

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Speaker 1: we live in the Treasure Valley here, the Boise whole

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Speaker 1: area if you don't know where the Treasure Valley is.

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Speaker 1: And as we're coming into town and driving to our house,

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Speaker 1: it was crazy how many people were letting off fireworks.

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Speaker 1: It was probably the most money I've ever seen people

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Speaker 1: spend on fireworks. And I don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: normal for every year down here, because we're normally in

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Speaker 1: the mountains. On the Fourth of July, my black lab Jocko.

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Speaker 1: He's not a big fan of him. He gets pretty

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Speaker 1: scared of him, but we're always in the mountains camping

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Speaker 1: and doing our due diligence for summer, summer elk scouting

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Speaker 1: and stuff. But anyway, there was man, there was some big,

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Speaker 1: impressive displays of fireworks all over town. It didn't matter

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Speaker 1: where you were out in the valley. They're just huge,

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Speaker 1: huge fireworks going off everywhere. In fact, it looked like

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Speaker 1: the whole town was on fire. Burning as far as

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Speaker 1: much as how much smoke was in the air, it

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Speaker 1: was crazy. It just the smoke was ever driving down

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Speaker 1: the freeway, it was just it was just a fog.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you can even smell it. You can just

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Speaker 1: smell that that that sulfurry, pungent smell. Fireworks make you

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Speaker 1: all know that smell. It almost smells like gunpowder. Almost

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Speaker 1: my favorite smell I smell. I let my I think

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Speaker 1: my favorite smell might be pine sap and elk p

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's forty four days till September. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know who's counting besides me, A few of you

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Speaker 1: are counting out there. But I will say I do

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Speaker 1: love September. It's my favorite time of year. But I

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Speaker 1: am pumping the brakes a little bit. I do love

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Speaker 1: my summertime. I love camping, I love checking trail cameras,

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Speaker 1: like setting trail cameras. I love being to the mountains.

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Speaker 1: I love dirt bike riding. I got me a dirt bike.

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Speaker 1: I'm I don't know if it's a midlife crisis purchase

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Speaker 1: It's a KTM three point fifty ex excd F for

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Speaker 1: you dirt bikers out there, it's a pretty badass bike.

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Speaker 1: I've been enjoying it. My son bought a new bike

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Speaker 1: and we've been riding those around. It's been super fun.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, this week, I want to talk about non

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Speaker 1: typical elk calling. Now, when I say non typical, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying I'm trying to call it a non typical

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Speaker 1: bull elk. I mean that I would love to call

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Speaker 1: it a non tippical bull elk. They're just so uncommon.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm talking about is using vocalizations that aren't

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Speaker 1: maybe your cookie cutter type vocalizations. Per se. We all

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Speaker 1: know that that three note bugle that that we've all

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Speaker 1: grown accustomed to love. But I will say, over the years,

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Speaker 1: I've found that helk don't always are They're not always

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Speaker 1: making that same bugle over and over. They have a

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Speaker 1: pretty big repertoire in their vocabulary. Now, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: and I know exactly what these elk are saying. I'm

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Speaker 1: if it's hot, if they if they sound mad, you

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Speaker 1: But some of these sounds are non aggressive, but they're

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Speaker 1: still talking. And that's what I want to want to

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Speaker 1: go over today. Maybe you guys watched my film called

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Speaker 1: Ghost Bowls of the North on YouTube that was released

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Speaker 1: earlier this year. If you haven't check it out, it's

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Speaker 1: on the Phelps Game Calls YouTube channel. Anyway, if you

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Speaker 1: While someone's calling elk now locating, I kind of go

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Speaker 1: that same thought process. So if I've made a bugle

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Speaker 1: if there's any ladies around, but I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: So it's no different than a conversation. When you walk

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Speaker 1: A lot of times people just back off and just like,

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Speaker 1: I may even I don't know if I've talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot of different podcasts out there I've been the

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Speaker 1: So what a lot of times I'll do as I'll

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Speaker 1: See you have two bulls exchanging bugles. They both go

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Speaker 1: just for hunters. Elk hang up on elk. Elk are

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Speaker 1: hang up and then display he'll start. He'll start rubbing

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Speaker 1: He'll rub, you know, he's like, Hey, I'm the big man,

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Speaker 1: the correlation. If they're barking and chuckling, they'd been doing

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Speaker 1: Bought all right, Old Blake Lyons from North Idaho. I

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Speaker 1: Some areas that have a lot of agriculture, you know

423
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: there there's irrigation down here where you know, North Idaho,

424
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: it's all all dry country farming. You know. They don't

425
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: irrigate hay fields, they don't irrigate wheat fields, they don't

426
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: irrigate their agriculture up north Idaho. Down south, they have to,

427
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: so you know, they'll you'll have irrigation pivots and irrigation

428
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: lines down there everywhere in the valley floor. So those elk,

429
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: they can travel five six miles from the peak of

430
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: a mountain all the way down at night to eat

431
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: alfalfa and then turn around before first light and get

432
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: halfway up the mountain before the sun ever rises. So

433
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's that's something to keep in mind. So

434
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: if you're you know, you're hearing bugles at night down

435
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: by those fields, probably not. It's in on all that

436
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: private land. It's probably not the best place to think.

437
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to hunt down here in the morning.

438
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Now you want to kind of try to figure out

439
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: where those elk are going to go during the daytime.

440
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: So they're going to climb up, but probably a pretty

441
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: barren hillside until they find a nice, nice north face

442
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: two three four thousand feet above the valley floor to

443
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: bed down for the day. And also maybe you know,

444
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: of course, using your calls a lot works good down south,

445
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: but a lot of times, you know, maybe that the

446
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: first few the first hour of light every morning would

447
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: be better served getting on a high point with binoculars

448
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: with a spotter and just find an elk finding animals,

449
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, a lot of time. It's

450
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: really big country. You know, you can you can cover

451
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of big country because it's pretty open, and

452
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: you'll be able to see those animals right at that

453
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: first light moving from food source. You know, maybe there's

454
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: no agg around, but you'll see them from the south

455
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: side of the mountain over to the north sides. You

456
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: you'll catch them lingering in some of the edges and stuff.

457
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: And then now you have a game plan. It's like, Okay,

458
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I know where the elk are at. We'll make a

459
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: mark mark on our on X map and then and

460
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: then go after them. So that's my my, uh my

461
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: take on South versus North. And oh, one more thing

462
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I will say, there there are more elk and south

463
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: South Idaho, North Idaho it's there. You know, there's some patches,

464
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: there's some pretty decent elk, but for the most part

465
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a little barn up there. There's a lot

466
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: you can if you don't know where you're going, you

467
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: can spend a lot of time even trying to find

468
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: an elk track let alone an ELK. So I will

469
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: say there there are more more better units down south,

470
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: better easier winters, less wolves, and a lot of the

471
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: units down south are managed for for for better uh,

472
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: better numbers, better trophy quality. A lot of a lot

473
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: of the rifle hunts are controlled. That means you have

474
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: to apply, you have to to apply for a lottery

475
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: to see if your name gets drawn for an ELK

476
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: tag to cut with a rifle. But some of them

477
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: are over the counter archery. Some are a cap zone

478
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: that's where they only sell a very limited number of

479
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: these these tags in that zone. So there can be

480
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: several different reasons why there's more ELK in that part

481
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: of Idaho. But I probably shouldn't have said that. I

482
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: just let the cat out of the bag, all right,

483
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Onto caller number three.

484
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: Hey, get Andy gotfrie had of Boisie. You's got through

485
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 4: listening to your episode eighty seven. I mean season plans

486
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 4: and I mean questions. My question is we are going

487
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: in the unit? Well, I'm not gonna tell you. I

488
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: guess I can tell you when we're going into the

489
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: Frank Church playing the Frank Church. And I know that

490
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: you know we're backpacking in we're doing all that, and

491
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: we're gonna have a base camp and then a bitty

492
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: camp here and there wherever we find the elphie, the

493
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: deer whatever. And my question is, when you're out there

494
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: doing that kind of hunt and you don't I mean,

495
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: we're flying in so we're kind of stuck in this spot.

496
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: How would you go about.

497
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: Hunting that type of a scenario as far as you know,

498
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 4: when you're not in anything and you don't have the

499
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: ability to move fast, just moves kind of slow. There

500
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: any like just scenarios or ideas that you guys have

501
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: run into when you can't really just jump out on

502
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: a truck and head out or on ATV and post

503
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: somewhere a different couple ten miles away or whatever. What

504
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: would you do in that scenario as far as trying

505
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: to track down the game you're looking for?

506
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Wow, what an adventure. Flying into the frank Church Wilderness

507
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: some big Gnarly country. I believe it's the largest expansive

508
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: wilderness in the lower forty eight and right here in Idaho,

509
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: big g Harley Country. It's deep and deep. So if

510
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: you get flown into one of those back country landing strips,

511
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: chances are you're not going to be alone. There could

512
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: be other people there. I know certain certain times of

513
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the year, like mule their season, for instance, later on

514
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: in November, those places can be very busy without other hunters.

515
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: So I would plan on bivvy hunting. I would care,

516
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I would have my camp in my backpack. Right I'm

517
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt right there from the landing strip and

518
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: just kind of hunt within a mile or two of

519
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: the landing Strip. I feel like it's going to take

520
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: the type of effort you're gonna have to get at

521
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: least two three miles away from that landing strip to

522
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: get away from a lot of people, and maybe even

523
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: beyond that. Now, I'm not familiar with the area. I

524
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: haven't really even looked at the Frank Church. I've never

525
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: been there myself. I don't know if there's any if

526
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: there's good trail systems there from those from those landing strips.

527
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: But maybe if you can find a good trail and

528
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: just get some miles between you and that landing strip

529
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: and other people distance yourself, then once you get a

530
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: ways on that trail, then I would go cross country.

531
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: I would climb, I would climb elevation. I would get

532
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: out of there. I would imagine if it's September, if

533
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: it's early season, elk a going to be higher. If

534
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: it's in November, elk are probably going to be lower.

535
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: You know, there'll probably be in that bottom third of

536
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: the canyon. Versus September, they're probably going to be upper

537
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: in upper elevations, and that probably in that from right

538
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: in the middle maybe. But that being said that those

539
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: drain the drainages there are so huge and so vast,

540
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, it could be four thousand feet maybe further so,

541
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: several miles from the river clear to the top. It's

542
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: not a small undertaking by any means. So I would

543
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: have a bavy camp ready to go on your pack,

544
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: prepared to camp out for three to five days depending.

545
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: I would leave camp with plenty of water and have

546
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: a water bladder completely full. I would probably have a

547
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: couple now jeans full of water. That's just me. I

548
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: like to carry them in those now jeens or some

549
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: kind of other water carrying bladder, something that you maybe

550
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: have another sixty four ounces of water at least. That way,

551
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: if you can, if you get away, you hike out,

552
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: you can get away from the people for at least

553
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: a day or two. And let's say you run out

554
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: of water and it's like, well, gee whiz, I wish

555
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: you know we had some water to filter there. There

556
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: should be some water to filter in certain places, but

557
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: expected to be a pretty dry country for the most part.

558
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Elk are probably not going to be right at the

559
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: river during September, then it would be my guess. So

560
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: and you may have to like branch out, like you know,

561
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: you may have to go out this direction for two

562
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: or three or four days and and see if you

563
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: find any elk. You may have to go the complete

564
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: opposite direction the next go around. You just kind of

565
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: have to kind of use that landing strip is your

566
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: base as your base, and then go out for a

567
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: few days, come back, replenish your supplies, go a different direction,

568
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: or go back. Maybe you did find elk, then go

569
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: back and load up heavy with with more supplies to

570
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: where you can stay for a little longer. It's like, well,

571
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: we know there's a bunch of elk over here, we

572
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: can hunt for several days. We'll go ahead and take

573
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: extra food. We found lots of water, so we don't

574
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: have to weigh ourselves down with a bunch of water.

575
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: You kind of It's one of those things you kind

576
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: of don't know until you go. But I feel like

577
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: the best practice here is going to be get away

578
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: from that landing strip because it's it's ugly, it's ugly,

579
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: intimidating country, and it's going to be it's gonna be

580
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: an undertaking. It's gonna be an undertaking. But be in

581
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: the best shape you're life, and have a positive mindset.

582
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Just get after it, all right. Color number four, Hey

583
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: Derek on.

584
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 5: The show, Drew, I drew and help or fair tag

585
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: so long and all over the counter help tag in

586
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: Colorado this year and was wondering if you had any

587
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: kids technique mining or uh honey unfair Technically I had

588
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: to help his obviously the gold with the group, but

589
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: also thanks time life.

590
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: Over help.

591
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: Okay, that colors the quality was real scratchy. So I'm

592
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna try to preface what he said, or preface I

593
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: try to. I'm just gonna try to repeat what he

594
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: said because it was really hard to hear. So he's

595
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: a Colorado elk hunter and he drew a bear tag

596
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: to go along with his elk hunt this fall, and

597
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: he was just kind of wondering what kind of tips

598
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: and tactics would he use to try to secondarily fill

599
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: his bear tag. So if if I were in his shoes,

600
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: I do know if some friends at certain parts of

601
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: Colorado have tons of bears, and they run into bears

602
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot during the hunt, so you just may just

603
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: shoot one just out of the blue. You'd be walking along,

604
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh there's a really nice bear, you shoot it. Or

605
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: maybe the bear comes to your calling, set up and

606
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: shoot it then. But maybe you're having a slow day

607
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: el hunting. But dang it, there's a dandy bear over

608
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: on the hillside and you want to take after him.

609
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: So I would go over there, get set up, get

610
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: where the wind's good. And there's a call that I

611
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: take with me everywhere, it doesn't matter if it's September, October, November, December.

612
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: I have this little call I always have with me.

613
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: It's called a fawn jack call that we say I'll

614
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: hear at Phelps. And if you blow lightly on it,

615
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: you can make the sound of a fawn in distress.

616
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: If you blow hard on it, it sounds like a

617
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: jack rabbit. So here's the fawn and then here's the jackrabbit.

618
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: Sounds awful. An noise everyone in the house, but bears, coyotes,

619
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: mountain lions, wolves, everything that's a predator likes the sound

620
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: of an animal in distress and it makes them think, oh,

621
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: here's a free meal, here's an easy meal. So maybe

622
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: the bear's not in a good stalkable spot, but you

623
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: can get semi close and start blasting with one of

624
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: these heretor calls or a preader call, whatever one you

625
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: have at home, and then just keep calling. So once

626
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: you get the bear's attention, he starts coming towards you.

627
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: Keep calling, keep calling, keep calling. If you have a buddy,

628
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: let him get behind you a little ways. That way

629
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: the bear walk right into you. It can be a

630
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: hair raising experience. But the bears kind of get sidetracked

631
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: a little bit as they're coming to that. So if

632
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: you you call, call, call, and then you stop once

633
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: he kind of disappears like you get, he may just

634
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: lose an interest and walk off. So just keep calling

635
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: until he comes in, especially if you have a buddy

636
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: that can back up and call for you. But that's

637
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: how I do it, or maybe even just calf in

638
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: distress calls, you know, like a calf elk that's lost

639
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: its mama. Or it's it's hurt or something. You can

640
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: make those calf and distress calls. And bears love those two,

641
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: especially spring bears, they love those those calf elk that

642
00:39:52,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: are in distress. I'll demonstrate what it sounds like. Very

643
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: high pitched, very needy, very scared. That's the kind of

644
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: sound you're gonna want to bake with your diaphragm. So

645
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: I was just using my Maverick Elk diaphragm just then.

646
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: So whatever diaphragm that you like like to use, that's

647
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: that you can achieve that really high pitch. That's the

648
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: way to go. If you don't have one, you might

649
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: try the Maverick because it is a very tight stretch,

650
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: very thick like decks, and you can you can push

651
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: real hard on it and apply a lot of air

652
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: pressure to get those high pitched sounds. All right, Color

653
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: number five.

654
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: My name is Noah Reynolds and I'm from Oregon.

655
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 5: I'm living in hunting for l To just east of

656
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: the Cascades, close to the Washington Oregon border.

657
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 6: And I'm really enjoying this podcast.

658
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: So I've been tuning in a lot lately, and I have.

659
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: Some questions about elk coming so in the era I

660
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: hunt in.

661
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 3: There's just pockets of elk that are generally hard to locate.

662
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a Lily's rifle hunt in late August,

663
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering what you guys think these pockets.

664
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Are going to be doing this early in the season.

665
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm also wondering al I should target these early season tows.

666
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: Is it good to thrown some bugles? Thank you for

667
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: your time.

668
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, thanks for calling in. That's a great question

669
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: in that in any country that has a low elk density,

670
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: or maybe there's there's just pockets elk. You know, there

671
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: may be a lot of elk in that pocket, but

672
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's it's a long distance between each pocket. You

673
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: really really have to cover some country now, I'm not

674
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: sure if you're hunting country that has has been logged,

675
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, if there's logging roads. That's a great way

676
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: to cover a lot of ground is get on a

677
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: mountain bike an e bike if it's allowed. If you

678
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: got one, they're kind of expensive, but even just a

679
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: good old mountain bike and just cover some country. You know,

680
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you may have to push it up the hills and

681
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: write it down the others, but it'll be faster than walking.

682
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: But just covering a lot of country, that's how you

683
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: find elk and pockets. You can't just kind of get

684
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: hung up and say, well, I saw elk tracks here

685
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: one time earlier in the summer, and I'm gonna just

686
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: hunt this one spot. Well that maybe those elk move out.

687
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: But from what I hear now, I've never I've never

688
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: hunted roosevelts, but I have a lot of friends that do,

689
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and they say roosevelts are pretty They stick pretty tight

690
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to their little home area. You know, it may be

691
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: one or two mile miles in circumference or whatever. But

692
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: if you run into them there one week, chances are

693
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: and you blow it up the next week, they'll probably

694
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: still be in there. Now early in August. And most

695
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: of the time, I wouldn't target cows with bugles. I

696
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: would target cows with other cow calls. In fact, I

697
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: would target them with calf calls. I would call like

698
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a lost calf. I kind of talked, I just demonstrated

699
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: a calf in distress for the last caller, but I'm

700
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: going to demonstrate just like a lost calf call here.

701
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: Still that high pitched sound not quite as as needy

702
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: or scared sounding as the calf in distress. But you

703
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: can elevate it a little bit too, you can make

704
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: it a little bit more scared or whatever. But if

705
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: there's cows close by, let's say you've seen a lot

706
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: of tracks, you've seen them feeding in the clearcuts or

707
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: feeding them on an open hell side, and then they

708
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: go and get the timber. If you get pretty close,

709
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: you get the wind right and you start you start

710
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: running your calf calls. A lot of times, especially if

711
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: the cows are up up moving still, if it's like

712
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: in the morning, they haven't bedded down for the day.

713
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: A lot of times if you've if you've if you

714
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: can get close to them and start making those lost

715
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: calf cow sounds, those cows want to come over investigate.

716
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: And if if you were hunting bulls, a lot of

717
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: times that's a great way to get the bulls to

718
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: come with. The cow will come and the bowl will

719
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: be in tow, or maybe it's a mill of the day.

720
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times the bulls will come over and

721
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: investigate on their own, sometimes even in the in the morning,

722
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, they'll they'll they'll come investigate those calf calls,

723
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: So that's probably how I'd hit it. I would cover

724
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: lots and lots of ground. I would use binoculars as

725
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: much as they could, you know, to see from a distance.

726
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: If if you're in kind of country that has some

727
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: cletter cuts and stuff this summer leading up to that hunt,

728
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, August you said, leading up the weeks leading

729
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: up to that, get out there on your mountain bike.

730
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: Just cover ground and make a note where you're finding

731
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: elk tracks. You know, if you have if you have

732
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: onyx maps on your phone, make make little notes, you know,

733
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: put a way mark or a waypoint where you're finding

734
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: elk tracks. You know, if it's early enough, it's if

735
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: it's like right now you can see what those elk tracks.

736
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: You could kind of follow them, follow the tracks into

737
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the timber, maybe learn their trails if there are trails,

738
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: unless it's really a thick country where they don't really

739
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: do make a trail once to enter the timber, but

740
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: you could kind of familiarize or sell yourself with the area.

741
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is where those elk go. Learn

742
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: the country now, where they where they like to feed

743
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: at night and in the morning, and then where they

744
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: go for those midday hours. Do your homework now, and

745
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: then by August you don't want to You don't want

746
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: to disturb them anymore. You just want to look at

747
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: them from afar. You may jet rid the roads, you

748
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: might walk the roads, whatever, make sure they're still there,

749
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: and then come the opener. Then you execute. You go

750
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: in and I would make a list, say, okay, this

751
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: is the place I really want to go, this is

752
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: the best look and sign the most elk signed go

753
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: there first, and then have plant A, B, C, D, E,

754
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: FG on through the alphabet all your little different spots

755
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: have a marked mapped out. Maybe even write it down

756
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: and say this is my game plan that way, because

757
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times on opening day you get there

758
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: and shoot, there's somebody else there, or maybe the elk

759
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: are just not behaving well. You'll have another plan immediately

760
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: put into play and you're not spout out. So great question,

761
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: all right. One last caller, caller number.

762
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: Six, Hey Dirt, this is Bronson from Colorado.

763
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 6: I just had a quick question about locating elk.

764
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: I've noticed with fires in the area and stuff, you

765
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: can expect five to ten years before it gets heavy

766
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 2: and going. Unless you get a good rain that really

767
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: brings up new forced quick.

768
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 6: But while e scouting, I'll find places and think that

769
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 6: they are the bee's knees until I get out there

770
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 6: and there's no sign of life during after or prior

771
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 6: to the elk hunt. So I know to be looking

772
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 6: at pinch points and saddles and transitions and stuff like that.

773
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: Water thermals and food.

774
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 6: But is there something you specifically look at that kind

775
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 6: of gives you the right idea that there will in

776
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 6: fact be elk in there. I appreciate it, thank you.

777
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: That's a great question. On burns. That seems to be

778
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: a hot topic with a lot of people these days,

779
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, so there's a lot of buzz

780
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: I should say about burns, like, oh, you want to

781
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: find elk, you got to go to a burn. Not

782
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: all burns are the same. It's crazy to mend on

783
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: the area, the country, whatever. There's some burns I've been

784
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: to that elk just don't ever come back into much.

785
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: They can be I don't know if it's what grows back,

786
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: they're just not really interested in. I know some burns

787
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: they get kind of taken over by a lot of

788
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: noxious weeds. Now, like some places in North Idaho. In

789
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: other places, like I've seen Washington and Oregon a big burn.

790
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: They get this law that these tall plants that has

791
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: a purple flower. I don't even I don't know what

792
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: they're called. I should look it up. I should look

793
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: it up. But man, at least in my hunting spots,

794
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: nothing really seemed to eat those things. I've had people say, oh, yeah,

795
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: they eat those things that crazy where I'm at, But man,

796
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: they don't eat them where I'm at. But then again,

797
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of elk where I'm at too,

798
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's why there's just no elk there

799
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: to eat them. So but I will say my experience

800
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: with burns, I've literally hunted elk in a burn the

801
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: same year it burns. So let's say in July it burnt.

802
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm in there September and I'm chasing bowls around. There's ash,

803
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: there's even sometimes little smoky things around. You know, elk

804
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: will go right back into where it burnt, right after

805
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: the flames are gone. Sometimes there even be some smoke

806
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: or some flames around and elk. They like that black

807
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: burnt ash for some reason. I don't know if it

808
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: tastes good to them. Maybe they liked to roll in

809
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: it to keep the bugs off. I wish I knew,

810
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: but they do like it, and that they'll get right

811
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: back in there right after the burn. And then the

812
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: first two or three years after the burn, that's when

813
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: the most delicate, good, yummy, little green things are going

814
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: to really grow grow up and elk will really key

815
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: into them. Then five ten years down the road that

816
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's when things can kind of

817
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: get weird with a lot of noxious weeds or just

818
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: maybe just overgrown brush and little little sapling. Sometimes, you know,

819
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: if you have an area where the jackfurs or the

820
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: little the little pine trees they grow up, those things

821
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: can grow thick as dog's hair and they'll choke out

822
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: a lot of good things that elk like to eat

823
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: and deer. So it just depends on what you're looking

824
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: at as far as food and feed. So that could

825
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: be why you're coming up short on some of the

826
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: places you've been checking out. Is maybe it's there's not

827
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: enough food or the right kind of food that they're

828
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: looking for. If there's burns that are happening this year,

829
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: if they get them things put out and you're allowed

830
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: to go in. That's another thing. Sometimes they don't lay

831
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: you into these areas until the till the Forest Service

832
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: or BLAM or whoever's property is till they release it

833
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: to be opened back up the public. Look, because they'll

834
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: shut it down for that fire because all the hazards.

835
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, it could even be a week after there

836
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been a puff as with a foot of snow

837
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: on the ground, But it can take a week or

838
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: longer just to get through the paperwork and the stuff

839
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: to release it to make sure it's okay for the

840
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: public to go into these places. But I wouldn't be

841
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: afraid to go into those places right after, especially if

842
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: it didn't burn super hot and just nuke off the place.

843
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: If it has, you know, there's patches where it didn't burn,

844
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: or maybe it just kind of slowly burned up through

845
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: the understory, burning pine needles and low brush, but didn't

846
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: just burn all the tops out of every tree. There's

847
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be some elkrod out in that country. So

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Speaker 1: that's how I would That's how I would play the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody listening. I wanted to let you guys

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Speaker 1: know in the upcoming weeks I'm going to have an

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Speaker 1: Elk calling master class right here on cutting the distance.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it the September tune Up. Each episode,

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Speaker 1: I will walk you guys through how I make the

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Speaker 1: Elk vocalizations personally use each September so you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: want to miss that. And also, I'm gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: a seminar in Emmett, Idaho on July twenty fourth, seven

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Speaker 1: pm at Low Mountain Archery, Emmett. It's a tiny little

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Speaker 1: town just north of the Boise area. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for about five years out there for my good

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Speaker 1: buddy Nick, who's the shop owner, and we always have

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Speaker 1: a really good turnout. It's a little warm in his shop.

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Speaker 1: There's there's usually plenty of seating, but create great place

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Speaker 1: to go. I like the people there, and I love

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Speaker 1: doing these kind of you know, these kind of seminars locally,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have to travel very far. So if

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Speaker 1: you're in the area, if you're in this area or

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Speaker 1: within short driving distance, we'd love to see you. And ps,

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Speaker 1: there's no cover charge, so everyone's welcome. This is a

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Speaker 1: free show. Well, thanks for listening. September is right around

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Speaker 1: the corner so you know what that means. Monsters are coming.