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Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Thursday, the twentieth of July in London.

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Speaker 1: This is the Blueberg daybreakurate podcast. I'm Caroline Hepga. Coming

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Speaker 1: up today, Nigel Farage speaks to us about the KOTS

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Speaker 1: decision to close his accounts, profits tumble at Goldman, as

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Speaker 1: pressure on Solomon grows, and Apple plays catch up on

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Speaker 1: Generative AI. Let's start with a roundup of our top stories.

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Ishi Sunak says that the British government will

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Speaker 1: crack down on banks who deny services based on their clients' views.

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Speaker 1: The UK leader was responding to Kotz's decision to close

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Speaker 1: politician Nigel Farage's account. We spoke to Farrage on this program.

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Speaker 1: He is calling for bosses at the parent bank RBS

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Speaker 1: to face questions from MPs.

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Speaker 2: I think the bosses of the RBS group should appear

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Speaker 2: before a parliamentary committee to explain why they now make

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Speaker 2: political and moral judgments on customers of THEIRS who meet

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Speaker 2: their financial requirements and you give opinions that are entirely

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Speaker 2: within the law and our majority views in this country.

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Speaker 1: Responding to our interview with Nigel Faraja spokesperson said quote

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Speaker 1: decisions to close an account are not taken lightly and

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Speaker 1: involve a number of factors, including commercial viability, reputational considerations,

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Speaker 1: and legal and regulatory requirements. We'll have more of the

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Speaker 1: interview with Nigel Farage and the response from Coots in

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Speaker 1: a few minutes. Moving on to earnings now. Tesla shares

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Speaker 1: fell in late trading after profitability shrank, showing the ev

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Speaker 1: maker's industry leading margins are being squeezed by months of

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Speaker 1: price cuts. The company reaffirmed production guidance of one point

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Speaker 1: eight million units this year. Elon Musk said earlier that

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Speaker 1: the car maker had a shot at producing two million vehicles.

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Speaker 3: I think it makes it does make sense for sacrifice

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Speaker 3: margins in favor of making more vehicles because we think

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Speaker 3: in the nautics in the future have a dramatic valuation increase.

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Speaker 3: I think the test the fleet value increase at the

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Speaker 3: point which prea can upload full full self driving and

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Speaker 3: it's approved by regulators will be the single biggest step

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Speaker 3: change in asset value maybe in history.

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Speaker 1: That was the TESTA CEO Elon Musk, who also said

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Speaker 1: that the company will probably keep slashing prices of electric

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Speaker 1: vehicles if interest rates continue to rise, production lines will

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Speaker 1: be paused briefly in the third quarter full factory upgrades.

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Speaker 1: Netflix also slumped eight point three percent after market after

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Speaker 1: its third quarter revenue outlook missed estimates. That story now

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Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett.

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Speaker 4: It suggests a crackdown on password sharing and a new

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Speaker 4: advertising strategy are not yet delivering the sales growth that

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Speaker 4: analysts anticipated. Netflix's second quarter sales rose two point seven

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Speaker 4: percent to eight point one to nine billion dollars, coming

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Speaker 4: in slightly below analyst projections that was I do you,

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Speaker 4: in part to foreign exchange rates and to price cuts

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Speaker 4: in some markets. The company's forecast for third quarter revenue

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Speaker 4: of eight point five to two billion dollars was also

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Speaker 4: shy of Wall Street estimates, which average eight point sixty

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Speaker 4: seven billion in New York. Charlie Pellett, Bloomberg Daybreak Europe.

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Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs saw profits plunge in the second quarter, in

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Speaker 1: yet more bad news for the banks in battled CEO

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Speaker 1: David Solomon, second quarter earnings fell fifty eight percent on

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Speaker 1: an investment banking slump, real estate markdowns, and a good

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Speaker 1: will write down in its consumer business. Return on equity,

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Speaker 1: which is a key measure of profitability also slid to

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Speaker 1: four percent, that is the worst among the top US banks,

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Speaker 1: But David Solomon says that he is positioning the firm

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Speaker 5: You're making tough decisions that are driving a strategic evolution

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Speaker 5: of firm. Given both these factors, that should come as

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Speaker 5: no surprise that we're going to a period of lower results.

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Speaker 5: I remain fully confident that we will deliver on our

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Speaker 5: through the cycle targets of mid teen's returns and create

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Speaker 5: significant value for shareolers.

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Speaker 1: Solomon spoke to investors on the bank's earning call there

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Speaker 1: after the lender had actively tamped down expectations heading into

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Speaker 1: the report, prompting analysts to slash their estimates for quarterly

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Speaker 1: profit by almost half since June. For Goldman Sachs and

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Speaker 1: just finally, Apple is working on artificial intelligence tools that

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Speaker 1: could challenge those of Open AI and others. According to

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Speaker 1: people with knowledge of these efforts, the iPhone makers built

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Speaker 1: its own framework to create large language models, known as AJAX.

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Speaker 1: Blomberg's Mark German broke that story.

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Speaker 6: Apple is going all in on LM's, or large language models.

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Speaker 6: That's the heart of the AI technology that powers chat GPT,

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Speaker 6: Microsoft Being AI, Google Bard and all of these fancy

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Speaker 1: Today, Bloomberg's Mark German there. He also reports that the

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Speaker 1: company has yet to devise a clear strategy for releasing

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Speaker 1: the technology to consumers. So that news on Apple in

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Speaker 1: our top stories for you this morning. Now I want

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Speaker 1: to move on to an important interview that we've done.

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Speaker 1: The former leader of the UK Independence and Brexit Party,

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Speaker 1: Nigel Farage, has called for a parliamentary inquiry into why

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Speaker 1: Coots closed his bank account last month. So the pro

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Speaker 1: exit politicians, speaking of Bloomberg Radio, says that the internal

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Speaker 1: documents from the bank, a unit of nat West, show

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Speaker 1: that his account was closed because of his views. Farage

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Speaker 1: published a forty page report from Coots yesterday. Is not

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Speaker 1: limited to Farage's financial position, it also includes analysis of

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Speaker 1: his public comments and media coverage. And I'm sure you know,

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Speaker 1: but this issue has created a media storm which has

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Speaker 1: drawn in the Prime Minister Johnny Now in studio as

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's finance reporter Will Share Will good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: We've been tracking this story and we interviewed Nigel Farage

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Speaker 1: together yesterday. How did first of all this route actually

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Speaker 7: So a few weeks ago, Coots, which is a banker

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Speaker 7: to the wealthy, including the Royal family, closed down his

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Speaker 7: and The Financial Times. Nigel Farage, however, had put in

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Speaker 7: a subject access request to Coots, asking documents that would

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Speaker 7: indicate why the decision was made. Now, these documents appear

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Speaker 7: to suggest that they considered his political views and made

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Speaker 7: an assessment that his values didn't to Kutz's wider commitment

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Speaker 7: to inclusion. In particular, these documents apparently mentioned perceptions of

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Speaker 7: him as being xenophobic and racist, and even describe him

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Speaker 7: or even mention a perception that he's a disingenuous grifter.

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Speaker 7: So whatever you think about Nigel Farage and his opinions,

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Speaker 7: those are very strong words.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, well, will you and I spoke to

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Speaker 1: the politician and broadcast in Nigel Farag I want us

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Speaker 1: to listen to that extensive interview. Have a listen now.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty clear, isn't it that when that decision

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Speaker 2: of diversity and inclusion. I do not represent their values.

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Speaker 2: I am a very very bad person because I happen

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Speaker 2: that decision was.

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Speaker 1: Made, Nigel. Have they lied then?

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Speaker 2: They've lied about the They've lied about the initial reason

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Speaker 2: say in their defense is that since November twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: there was a big draw down on the account, a

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Speaker 2: up to the levels that they themselves described as commercially barble.

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Speaker 2: So look, you know they've been absolutely dishonest about this

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Speaker 7: This document it says that at one point it says

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Speaker 7: it's clear that you project cenophobic, chauvinist, stick and racist views,

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Speaker 7: although you've done it within the law. And there's also

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Speaker 7: they also say there's a perception of you as a

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Speaker 7: disingenuous grifter. Do you have any plans to sue the bank?

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Speaker 7: Or is it your view that anyone NatWest or Coots

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Speaker 2: It is bile, it is poison. It is written with venom.

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Speaker 2: It is prejudiced in a most extraordinary way that only

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Speaker 7: Look should somebody do you think that someone ought to

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Speaker 7: resign over it? And if so, who want to think?

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Speaker 8: I do any want to think should happen?

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Speaker 2: I think the bosses of the RBS group should appear

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Speaker 8: In this country.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the timing. Then that was the other

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Speaker 1: question I was going to ask you. Obviously, you were

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Speaker 1: Why do you think the bank made the decision now?

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Speaker 2: I think it's the whole RBS group. I think that

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Speaker 2: the boss of the group now, Alison Rose, has taken

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Speaker 8: And that is my best guess as to the timing

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Speaker 2: There's nothing I've said or done there's any different to

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Speaker 1: In terms of Alison Rose, you think that she has

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Speaker 2: I think she's going to be questioned by I think

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Speaker 2: what have you done? What have you done to this

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Speaker 2: I just hope by coming out in public, I sponsor

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Speaker 2: and ultimately, ultimately what I want is for everybody to

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Speaker 8: I mean, you've virtually become a non person.

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Speaker 1: So that was the politician and broadcaster Nigel Farage talking

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Speaker 1: about the contents of that report. Why Coots made the

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Speaker 1: decision now. In response to Farage's comments, a spokesperson for

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Speaker 1: Coots has given us this statement. It's being read here

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Speaker 1: in full by Ablinberg journalist.

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Speaker 9: We recognize the substantial interest in this case. We cannot

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Speaker 9: comment on the detail given our customer confidentiality obligations. However,

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Speaker 9: it is not Koutz's policy to close customer accounts solely

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Speaker 9: on the basis of legally held political and personal views.

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Speaker 9: Decisions to close an account are not taken lightly and

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Speaker 9: involve a number of factors, including commercial viability, reputational considerations,

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Speaker 9: and legal and regulatory requirements. We recognize the critical importance

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Speaker 9: of access to banking. When it became clear that our

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Speaker 9: client was unable to secure banking facilities elsewhere, and as

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Speaker 9: he has confirmed publicly, he was offered alternative banking facilities

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Speaker 9: with that west, that offer stands. We understand the public

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Speaker 9: concern that the process for ending a customer relationship and

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Speaker 9: how that is communicated are not sufficiently transparent. We welcome the

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Speaker 9: anticipated HM Treasury recommendations in this area, alongside the ask

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Speaker 9: to prioritize the review of the regulatory rules related to

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Speaker 9: politically exposed persons. We look forward to working with the government,

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Speaker 9: the regulator, and the wider industry to ensure that universal

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that is the COOTS response then to Nigel

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Speaker 1: Farage's comments there in full, Bluebig's finance reporter Will Shaw

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Speaker 1: is still with me, just really go through this story.

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Speaker 1: How significant an issue actually is this idea of closing

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Speaker 7: I think it would be easy to say, oh, this

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Speaker 7: is just Nigel Farage, this is just something that affects

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Speaker 7: one person. Obviously, he has a very unique political standing

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Speaker 7: he is for a wealthy background. He's a former trader

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Speaker 7: until very recently he even had an account with Coots. However,

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Speaker 7: like there is concern that this might well set a

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Speaker 7: as the Brexit vote demonstrated in twenty sixteen, so he

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Speaker 7: would argue that if he can be targets on his

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Speaker 1: And speaking of which it has drawn in quite a

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Speaker 1: number of politicians. You know, we heard it discussed in

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Speaker 10: It wouldn't be right if financial services were being denied

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Speaker 10: to anyone exercising their right to lawful free speech. Our

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Speaker 10: new Financial Service and Markets Act puts in place new

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Speaker 10: measures to ensure that politically exposed persons are being treated

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Speaker 10: in an appropriate and proportionate manner, and having consulted on

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Speaker 10: the Payment Services regulations, we are in the process of

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Speaker 10: cracking down on this practice by tightening the rules around

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Speaker 10: account closures.

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Speaker 1: So Rishie Sunak there speaking yesterday, So what do you

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Speaker 1: think will could actually result from all of this?

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Speaker 7: So Nigel Farraje obviously is called for a parliamentary inquiry.

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Speaker 7: Now a lot of the criticism that we were hearing

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Speaker 7: seems to have this incident seems to have raised eyebrows

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Speaker 7: bit more concerning for Coots in that west. So Nikil Rati,

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Speaker 7: he said he'd spoken to Coots. He was talking at

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Speaker 7: Parliament's Treasury Select Committee. He discussed UK and European Union

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just lastly a final thought on what it

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Speaker 1: might mean for Cootsnatwez CEO Alison Rose.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we've heard very little of them from them

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Speaker 7: so far, particularly from Nat West, who appeared to be

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Speaker 7: Nowwest obviously is still largely stay owned. It doesn't look

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Speaker 7: I would anticipate further pressure.

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