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Speaker 1: So long story short. They noticed scratches on his neck

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Speaker 1: and blood on his hands. Karen Smith, forensics expert, that's

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Speaker 1: a c s I dream come true. You got that right,

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Speaker 1: the scratches. He also had bruises on his neck, also

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Speaker 1: on his arms and on his chest, and there were

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Speaker 1: alleged bike marks as well. That tells me that que

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Speaker 1: was in a fight for her life. She fought back,

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Speaker 1: and she scratched him, and she bit him, and she

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Speaker 1: may have kicked and punched. But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: When I looked at the photographs of his face and

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Speaker 1: his neck and his arms and seeing the rake marks

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Speaker 1: from nails, there is nothing else that caused those. You

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Speaker 1: can see it on his person and the dried blood

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Speaker 1: on his hands. If he had enough blood on his

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Speaker 1: hands to be that overt to arresting officers. That harkens

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Speaker 1: back to the crime scene and the very minute traces

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Speaker 1: that were found by these fantastic detectives who I have

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Speaker 1: to give kudos to the Newport Beach p D. Great job.

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Speaker 1: That tells me that that scene was indeed cleaned up,

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Speaker 1: because if he has enough blood on his hands to

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Speaker 1: be that overt and there wasn't any in the bathroom,

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00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: he altered that crime scene. M So let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this, isn't it true? To Jennifer Manzella with a

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Speaker 1: Newport Beach police and host of Countdown to Capture podcast, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: isn't it true that a neighbor reports hearing Quee screaming?

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Speaker 1: But dismissed since we did in gathering statements from witnesses

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Speaker 1: neighbors on for surveillance video, things like that we came

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Speaker 1: across a neighbor who remembers hearing a woman's scream that morning.

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Speaker 1: We can't get into too many specifics about the case,

455
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: but we did document that statement from her that may

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Speaker 1: or may not be something that we need to enter

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Speaker 1: an evidence at trial. Yes, well, I would imagine it

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Speaker 1: would certainly at least start the timeline when the neighbor

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Speaker 1: here screams. What amazes me, Dr Bethany Marshall, if I

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Speaker 1: hear a woman screaming bloody murder, I'm calling nine one one,

461
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Speaker 1: what's going on out there in l A and Beverly

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Speaker 1: heels and he knows how nine one one, Nancy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's frightening this person hears her screaming and she doesn't

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Speaker 1: even come to her aid in any way. You know

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Speaker 1: what really strikes me about Peter Chadwick is that he

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Speaker 1: feels that the rules do not apply to him. Knowing

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Speaker 1: that he has killed his wife, he doesn't even make

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Speaker 1: sure he doesn't even plan it ahead of time to

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Speaker 1: make sure someone is there to pick up his sons.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't adhere to the rules of fidelity in a marriage.

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Speaker 1: He doth andy Dr Bethany Hey, he killed his wife

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Speaker 1: and dumpter in the Dixie dumpster. You think he's worried

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Speaker 1: about his kids standing there late to soccer practice. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. I can't believe neighbors don't bother to

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Speaker 1: pick up and call. In mind, when one that goes

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the stunning case of Kitty

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Speaker 1: JENNEVISI that was raped and murdered, and all the neighbors

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Speaker 1: just watched and did nothing, and and so much was

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Speaker 1: made of it. It's still happening today right there in

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Speaker 1: that posh Barely Hills neighborhood. Apparently, police now saying the

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Speaker 1: two have been arguing about divorce, but another issue comes up.

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Speaker 1: So they see the scratches on his neck, they see

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Speaker 1: the blood on his hands, They hear his affect on

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Speaker 1: the phone that Jennifer and Dr Bethany and Robin were

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Speaker 1: talking about. They arrest him, but somehow, as fate would

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Speaker 1: have it, they let him post bond. A judge lets

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Speaker 1: him post a million dollar bond. That means you gotta

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Speaker 1: put up a hundred thousand dollars, which a guy that

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Speaker 1: that's chump changed to him, um, and and what does

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Speaker 1: he do? He goes on the run. Listen to this

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Speaker 1: from our friend Pat La Lama at Crime Watch Daily.

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Speaker 1: We just knew and understood the fact that they did

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Speaker 1: not have the money people believed that they had, and

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Speaker 1: she blew a lot of their financial issues on Peter.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say the Chadwicks were having frequent arguments and that

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Speaker 1: que was even thinking about ending the marriage. We found

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Speaker 1: out she did talk about divorce a few times, but

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Speaker 1: nothing was finalized, and she didn't submit any paywork to

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Speaker 1: the courts or anything. And friend Karen Thorpe noticed Queen

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Speaker 1: was increasingly distancing herself from her husband the last year

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Speaker 1: or two. Uh, Queen was very much more independent than

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Speaker 1: she had been. She lost some weight, she was learning

503
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Speaker 1: to do her makeup, she was spending more money on

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00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: herself on clothing, and she would go on trips with

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Speaker 1: her girlfriends at times. And I don't know if if

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Speaker 1: Peter liked that very well. Beliefs believe we may have

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Speaker 1: also suspected Peter was cheating on her, and Orange County

508
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: d A Tony Ricacca says her suspicions were confirmed in

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Speaker 1: the most shocking way. Just days before she was murdered.

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00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: Peter brought home some sexually transmitted diseases and so that

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Speaker 1: was creating a tremendous um hardship with her, But police

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Speaker 1: still don't have enough evidence to prove Chadwick killed his

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Speaker 1: wife until Quea's body is found in a dumpster in

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Speaker 1: suburban San Diego and the coroner determines she had been strangled.

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Speaker 1: The evidence is really is really pretty clear. It includes

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00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: pictures of Chadwick with scratches on his neck, blood spatter

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Speaker 1: in the couple's bathroom evidence of a fight there, and

518
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Speaker 1: that surveillance video of the family sub leaving their home

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Speaker 1: with no sign of Wan in the car. That's from

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Speaker 1: our forensic crime watch Deely Pat li Lama. Where is

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Speaker 1: Peter Chadwick coming home with STD? Sexually transmitted diseases? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: a you don't already know this. You don't get that

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Speaker 1: from the top of a commode, So when you pop

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Speaker 1: up with an STD, you know where it came from.

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Speaker 1: I guess she was distancing herself from her husband. So

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Manzella, Newport Beach Police folkesperson and host of Countdown

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Speaker 1: to capture how in the hey did this guy get away?

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about where he may be now?

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Speaker 1: And how did he get out of the country that's

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00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: a very good question. So we're not sure that he

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Speaker 1: is out of the country. He literally could be anywhere

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Speaker 1: in the world because he had access to bank accounts

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Speaker 1: that he emptied of millions of dollars before he fled,

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Speaker 1: and he also took out cast advances on a number

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Speaker 1: of credit cards. But we arrested him, judge granted him

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Speaker 1: the right to bail out on his charges, and he

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00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: attended his free trial hearings for two years, but he

538
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: never showed up in January and we've never been able

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00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: to find him since. Out to Robin Willinski, investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: on the case, Robin, what can you tell me about

541
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Speaker 1: what was found in a Santa Barbara place where he

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00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: was staying after the murder. Well, there were a couple

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Speaker 1: of books, you know. After they let him go on

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00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: the bond, Nancy, he went to live allegedly with his

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Speaker 1: father in Santa Barbara, and he was awaiting trial in January.

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00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: When he never shows, well, they go and they look

547
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: through his stuff and there were three books, Okay, book

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Speaker 1: number one, how to change your identity, Book number two,

549
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: How to Live on the Run successfully, and book at

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Speaker 1: number three, which is the most telling surviving in Mexico.

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Back to Jennifer Manzella, host of Countdown to Capture, Explain

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Speaker 1: to me how you guys created Countdown to Capture and

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00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: what you are hoping to achieve. We had discussions between

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: myself and the detectives that we wanted to do another

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00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: big push on this case. They asked if we could

556
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Speaker 1: come up with a creative way to spread the word

557
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: about this case again, because we've been able to secure

558
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar reward for information leading to Peter

559
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Chadwick's capture, and he's our only outstanding homicide suspect, so

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Speaker 1: we really don't like having the sluice end stories. Have

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Speaker 1: issued a one hundred thousand dollar reward to try to

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Speaker 1: find Peter Chadwick. To Robin Willinski, investigative reporter, have there

563
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: been any signings? What's the best guests there? There was

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Speaker 1: one where he was seen allegedly at the Santa Barbara

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00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Airport and there was some security video Nancy where they

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Speaker 1: believed that they saw him arriving at a taxi cab

567
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: and then six hours later they're watching all the videos

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00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: there at the airport and they see him leaving in

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Speaker 1: a different taxi wearing different clothes, and at that point

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00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: there's no cell phone. The cellphone was shut off and

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00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: later you know, founded a dumpster somewheres else. This guy

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Speaker 1: could be anywhere. Well, we know that he has traveled

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Speaker 1: to China, Malaysia, Thailand, Canada, that he's got millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars of cash accessible to Jennifer Manzella countdown to capture.

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Speaker 1: Did he leave any money behind to take care of

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Speaker 1: his children? He took all of the cash that he

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Speaker 1: had access to. And not only that, not only the cash,

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00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: but he took out those cash advances. So he just

579
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: left behind a lack of support and debt for the boy.

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Speaker 1: The most obvious thing would be to go to Mexico.

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Speaker 1: You get over that border which you can simply walk across,

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Speaker 1: and you've got millions of dollars in US money. Question

583
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Speaker 1: to Robin Willinsky, could any of the funds be traced?

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Speaker 1: Did he move any of the funds to a different account? No,

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Speaker 1: he liquidated it all. It's all in cash, Nancy, And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, this guy's in a lot of trouble

587
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: if he's ever found. But boy, could he hide out

588
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Speaker 1: in Mexico? Change his appearance, change his clothing, change his identity. Listen,

589
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: he's been reading the books for two years. He knows

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Speaker 1: exactly what to do. You know? To Jennifer Manzella, how

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Speaker 1: many millions of dollars do we think he took with him? Um,

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Speaker 1: we're comfortable saying multiple millions of dollars. He should have

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Speaker 1: enough that could be two or thirty. I know, I

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Speaker 1: don't have an exact figure for you. Um, he had

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Speaker 1: access to a number of bank accounts that were for

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Speaker 1: his family business. The real estate investing is a business

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Speaker 1: that's run through his family, so he had access to

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Speaker 1: a number of commercial accounts as well. Straight out to

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, how do you go about finding

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Speaker 1: the money if he transferred money to some other account?

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00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for me to imagine a guy

602
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Speaker 1: actually traveling with five to ten million dollars of cash

603
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: on him. I can't either. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: has it in a safe place that he has access

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: to a storage facility. Maybe, but you know you're not

606
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: gonna stuff to three five million dollars in a backpack

607
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and walk around with it a It would weigh too much.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. If you haven't seen that

609
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: amount of money in front of you. It wouldn't fit

610
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Speaker 1: in a suitcase, it wouldn't fit in a knapsack. This

611
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: is he's got to have some kind of storage facility

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Speaker 1: or somewhere that he can have access to the cash

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Speaker 1: without having to do financial transactions paper trails, credit card trails,

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Speaker 1: a t M trails, something like that. Really, though, all

615
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Speaker 1: he had to do is get the money in cash

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Speaker 1: and then put it in some other account under a

617
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Speaker 1: different name. Then no matter where he goes, he could

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Speaker 1: draw on that account. It's not like he's carrying the

619
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Speaker 1: cash around with him. Troyce light In l a defense lawyer,

620
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Speaker 1: You've represented so many different types of nefarious dealings and clients.

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Speaker 1: How would you if you were concocting this financial scheme.

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Speaker 1: How do you believe he did it? Well? Nancy, There's

623
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Speaker 1: there's many different ways to accomplish financial crimes. Obviously, I'm

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Speaker 1: not in the business of helping my clients commit crimes.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the business of helping reduce or mitigate the

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Speaker 1: problems once they've been caught or are about to be caught.

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Speaker 1: That being said, Uh, you you had it right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Somebody can open up accounts in different names. There's an

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Speaker 1: other countries, unlike the United States, they don't require the

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Speaker 1: same amount of identification and proof of identity that they

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Speaker 1: do here in the United States. So he may very

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Speaker 1: well have here. Every time you make a cast transfer

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Speaker 1: of ten thousand dollars or more, I remember when this

634
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: was instituted you, it's reported. The bank reports it immediately

635
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: to the FEDS because they think it could be connected

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Speaker 1: to drugs or money laundering so here in the US,

637
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: or terrorism so here in the US. If you do

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Speaker 1: any kind of transfer, especially cash wise ten thousand bucks,

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Speaker 1: you get flagged. Not so in other countries. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: This guy gets across the border to Mexico, gets fake

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Speaker 1: I D and high tels it abroad. He has access

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Speaker 1: to accounts. He probably traveled with a ton of cash

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Speaker 1: with him, started an account for under ten thousand bucks

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Speaker 1: in the US somewhere, and that was his start with

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Speaker 1: probably an intricate maze of financial dealings. There is a

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollar reward. Take a listen to count

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Speaker 1: down to Capture a podcast with Jennifer Manzella. Newport Beach

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Speaker 1: Police tipline one eight three three six zero one zero

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Speaker 1: O two. That's US Marshall. Of course, he's abroad, now

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Speaker 1: internationally called the American Embassy or Consulate one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: three three six zero one zero too, Peter Chadwick, You

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Speaker 1: can run, buddy, but you can't hide. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,