1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: power through the Monday edition of the program. Phone lines 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: are open eight hundred two eight two two eight eight 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: two for all of you to react to what is 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: going on right now as we continue, unfortunately to count votes. Fortunately, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: many of those talies are finally coming in on the 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: side of the Red team in the House at least 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: where another New York seat has been called in favor 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: of Republicans. We're about two or three seats away from 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: officially having the House in the Republican column. It is 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: going to happen, Okay. I feel comfortable, based on looking 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: at all the data out there, that the reality is 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Republicans are going to take control of the House. So 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: I understand that many people are disappointed, including both Bucking myself, 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: about what happened in the Senate and the fact that 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: the majority in the House is not going to be 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: more substantial than it is. But the takeaway here of 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: the House flipping back to control of Republicans is a 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: substantial one because effectively buck. What this will mean is 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden's agenda is done for the remainder of 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: his first term in office. Doesn't mean that they won't 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: pass some bills, doesn't mean that there can't still be 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: some shifting going on. But in terms of sort of 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: seismic transformative legislation that is going to be supercostly and 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: make inflation worse, it's not going to happen now. They 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: will still be able to get a lot of judges 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: through and in the event that there is a Supreme 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Court justice that dies. You hate to talk about it, 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: but when you got people well over the age of seventy, 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: that can happen at any point. They would be able 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: probably to push through a Supreme Court justice in the 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: event that there was a vacancy there. But in terms 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: of taking back control of the House, that increasingly appears 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: to be maybe even by later today, almost that that 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: could be official that we've gotten to to eighteen and 38 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: it just gets to, hey, are we going to get 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: to twenty two to twenty three? What's the final tally 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: going to be? But there will be a Republican majority, 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: so that's good news. It's not didn't happen as quickly 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: as we want it. We certainly don't want to be 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: sitting here six days after the election finally able to 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: say that the House is going to be in Republican control. 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: But basically that is baked in now, and so that 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: is good news. We can at least enjoy that. We've 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: been talking all about what the data is telling us 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: about the results in frankly, Buck and this is going 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: to happen. We're sharing some truths that people may not 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: want to hear. And you may be out there listening 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: right now during the course in today's program, and you 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: might be saying, well, I don't like what you're telling me. Well, 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: our goal is not to make you like what we're 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: telling you. It's to be honest with you and tell 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you what has to change if you want to win 56 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four based on what the voting data 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: tells us from twenty twenty two. And we have run 58 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: through a bunch of big takeaways there. Positive again, we're 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: going to win the House. The other positively, we mentioned 60 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: this and just as we finished, the eighth circuit has enjoyed, 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: meaning stopped Joe Biden from being able to put in 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: place his student debt relief program, basically his four hundred 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: billion dollar plus stroke of a pen, the waving of 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: student loan debt that he tried. That he tried basically 65 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: was a bribe to try to get young people to 66 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: come out and vote for him. That's been stopped by 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: the Eighth Circuit. It's going to go to the Supreme Court. 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: The minute that he signed this, I put on my 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: lawyer hat said this is not constitutional, and so this 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: is not going to be allowed to go forward. But 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: that's good news that at least our courts are still 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: standing up and applying the constitution. So now we can 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: all expect back to the House majority being Republican, the 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: House can hold the hearings, and the House will the 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: ability to drive some of the news cycle and to 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: focus in on certain issues. I mean, I very much 77 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: hope one thing I wanted from a Senate majority if 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: it had been ours, which it is not, would have 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: been Rand Paul among others, bringing Fauci and the COVID 80 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: maniacs forward in front of the country to answer questions 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: about what they did and all the things that they 82 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: got wrong. The House will be able to do similar things. 83 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: So I think that will be useful, but there will 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: be a lot of pressure now from Democrats and their 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: allies in the media. Democrats in the media, same thing 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: for Republicans who effectively cave on some issues, usually in 87 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: the spending realm. I think we might we might see 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: some fights over the debt ceiling. Here are we thirty 89 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: one trillion dollars in debt by the way, yes, which 90 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: is pretty amazing when you think about it. Not doesn't 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: make us feel all that good. And it's interesting because 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was really I don't think anybody 93 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: on either side was prepared for this political reality. I 94 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: believe Democrats thought that they were going to be able 95 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: to say, well, Biden lost the House and the Senate, 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: so you know, what's he gonna do? You know, often 97 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: maybe work with the other side on some minor issues. 98 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: But because that's not the case, we'll have to see 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: where the Democrat priorities are. But you're gonna have a 100 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: degree of gridlock here, which is a good thing. And 101 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: gridlock doesn't sound sexy. Gridlock isn't something that you know 102 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: is going to get people all fired up. It doesn't 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: look good on a bumper sticker. But in the content 104 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: or obstruction, same thing, right, obstructions what they call it 105 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: when obstruction is a Democrat word for when Republicans don't 106 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: do what Democrats demand of them. That's obstruction. Right, So 107 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: you don't give me all your money? No, why are 108 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: you obstructing my demand for money. That's gonna be I think, 109 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: where a lot of the political debate now turns. And 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: then also, we're going to get into a Republican primary 111 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: season pretty quickly. Will who knows. Maybe it'll be really 112 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: simple and straightforward Clay, maybe it will be quite spicy. 113 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: We don't know, and we will tackle that as it 114 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: comes along. But the worst impulses of the Democrats I 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: think will be blunted by the transfer of a majority 116 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: of the House. And that's a good thing. And that's 117 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: something we haven't had a lot to celebrate in this 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: mid term. The Republicans finally having the House called for them. 119 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: It's a This is a big step in the right 120 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: direction for the country despite all of the frustrations that 121 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: we had. So you know, maybe the election wasn't really 122 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: a B plus. Maybe it's a B minus, but it's 123 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: not an end. I mean, if we had lost a 124 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: house too, then you would have been in for a 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: very rough two years here. So this is this is 126 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: very good news when we need some very good news. 127 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: And now we're gonna need the House Republicans, even though 128 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: it's a fractious punch, and even though they have a 129 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: wide variety of opinions and beliefs, they need to be 130 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: aligned because we're not going to have some huge majority 131 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: where you know, twenty people can decide, hey, I'm going 132 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to support this. It needs to be a united front 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: because you don't have the Senate to rely upon. So 134 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: in terms of stopping Democrats from advancing their agenda, we 135 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: need to be able to rely on this group of 136 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: House Republicans that is coming in. Also, there needs to be, 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: in some form or fashion, an immense amount of praise 138 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: for Lez Eldon because if Leez Elden doesn't run the 139 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: campaign that he did in New York to nearly beat 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Kathy Hokel, he only lost in a 141 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: state where he's vastly outgunned and out armed in terms 142 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: of the number of Democrats. He only lost by I 143 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: believe it's three hundred and twenty six thousand votes. And 144 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: in the process of running such a great campaign. He 145 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: lifted up the Republican to the majority based on New York. 146 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: The number of House seats that we were able to 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: win and flip in New York. That majority, I believe 148 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: is directly traceable back to leeze Eldon and his performance. 149 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: He ran an excellent campaign, and I think that the 150 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: messaging in New York, as I said, it did matter. 151 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the crime issue was a major issue. But 152 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: one other thing that we have to remind ourselves of 153 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: is that for a lot of Democrats, their desire to 154 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: vote for women's reproductive health, freedom and threats to democracy. 155 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: For a lot of Democrats, that's actually more important to 156 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: them then whether they're safe walking down the streets in 157 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: their own neighborhood. As crazy as that may be, you 158 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: cannot apply a rational framework to people who are irrational, 159 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: and we saw that in this election. I mean, I 160 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: think that at a state level, as I've said, people 161 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: who voted for Hocal and Whitmer after what they did 162 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: to their states just on COVID and on crime Clay, 163 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: that to me is just it's just inexcusable. I mean, 164 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: it's it's unthinkably obtuse. And this is what they did 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: and they did it because they're Democrats, and they just 166 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: it's party allegiance over everything else. But in these states 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: where they had, where they had Democrats who had been 168 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: so wrong on COVID and on so many of these 169 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: terrible things, the fact that it managed that they managed 170 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: to stay in office was disconcerting. And it's only possible 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: because of I think Democrats at some level are just 172 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: truly delusional. That's what I think. So, UM, I'm not sure, 173 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: did guys do we have Did Clay just cut out 174 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: there for a second, Okay, So it's just me here 175 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: in the meantime, which is fine, We're gonna we're gonna chat, 176 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna have fun. Point here is, um, don't think 177 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: that Democrats are gonna be reasonable no matter how much 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: damage they do to the country, no matter how much 179 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: they even suffer. And I think that was one of 180 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the fundamental one of the fundamental missus maybe in the 181 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: election analysis that we do. I had thought any reasonable 182 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: person would see what Deblasio did to New York City, 183 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: what Como and then HOCl did to New York State 184 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: and turn around and say, I just I need a change. 185 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: These these leaders are idiots and they're really doing things 186 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: that harm me. Now as for some people they want 187 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: to tell their friends they vote Democrat, they have, it 188 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what they go through. There 189 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: is no corrective mechanism in place for them. And you know, 190 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: this is why they're able to get out the vote 191 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: even in places that I think have been put through 192 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: put through hell. I think it's it's very clear that 193 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: there are a lot of a lot of states that 194 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: have lost population, that have been a really bad place, 195 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and they don't care. I mean, you know, look at 196 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco. How could you take a city like that, 197 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: as I've already said many times, a physically beautiful place, 198 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: and Sancisco has a lot going forward, there's a lot 199 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: of good things about it as a place, as a city, 200 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: and yet it has been by all accounts, it has 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: been run into the ground through politicians who make bad decisions, 202 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: and that has had real effect on people's lives. But 203 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: you'll notice San Francisco hasn't flipped red. They will, some 204 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: people have left, but they will. They will wallow in 205 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: bad Democrat decisions before they vote for a Republican. They 206 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: will continue to suffer themselves even and that's where I 207 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: think we saw a bit of a disconnect because for 208 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats, the things that they talk about 209 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: or the things that we talk about, they think, oh, 210 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't really it doesn't really affect them, right. I 211 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: mean this came up even with the assault on Nancy 212 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Pelosi's husband. I mean, you know, which obviously got a 213 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of media attention at that point in time, and 214 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband was was a reminder 215 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: to a lot of people that in some of these 216 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: Democrat precincts things have gotten so bad that even the elites, 217 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: even the rich, are facing crazy things like this happened 218 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: to them. You would assume that the rational response to 219 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: this would be I don't want the people that have 220 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: brought this about to be making decisions anymore that affect us. 221 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: For Democrats, though it's doesn't matter now. 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Welcome back to 246 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck here, folks, we are going to be 247 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: talking in just a few minutes here to a friend 248 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: of ours who has been over in Ukraine for pretty 249 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: much the entirety of the conflict there. The Russians have 250 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: pulled back from the city of Curson, which is a 251 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: which is a big defeat for the Russians in that 252 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: theater of war. So we want to bring somebody on 253 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: who could speak to us a bit about what's really happening, 254 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: what's going on. And I would just say, with all this, 255 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: we also have Joe Biden who is out there meeting 256 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: with Shijin Ping of China and Clay. You know, I 257 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: have to think, to whatever degree I don't know, maybe 258 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: we're entering this world of we're supposed to we're supposed 259 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: to believe that the actual person in the leadership role 260 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really doesn't really matter. But we know that's not 261 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: true in other countries, So why why wouldn't it be 262 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: true in our country. We hear about what's going on 263 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: in some of these places where there's a real problem 264 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: for the US with their leadership and the relationship their 265 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: leadership has with the US President. So I feel like 266 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: when you have the dictator of China sitting down with 267 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, He's got to think to himself, I've got 268 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: this guy's number. I know how to run circles around 269 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, maybe that's just perception, but I 270 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: think if I were Jijin Ping, I'd be like, oh, great, 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: this is the guy I'm sitting down across from in policy. 272 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: And I think both of us would agree that it's 273 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: unlikely to be Joe Biden. So is it Ron Klain, 274 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: chief of staff? Is it someone else out there that 275 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: is actually involved in this policy decision making? What I 276 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: will say, which is par for the course but also 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: incredibly disappointing, Joe Biden didn't even bring up COVID. This 278 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: is the first time that we've had a face to 279 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: face meeting, I think, between an American president and Jijing Ping, 280 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: and they didn't even bring up COVID first time in 281 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: five years since certainly before COVID took over the country 282 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: and took over the world. And it doesn't seem like 283 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: we're indicating that there are going to be any consequences 284 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: whatsoever for this entire process. And so as you kind 285 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: of play it out in your mind and contemplate the 286 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: way that this is going to go. I just think 287 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: it's an embarrassment and a mess that he could ever 288 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: have been the guy who's in charge of our foreign 289 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: policy in any way. But Buck, how do you not 290 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: even mention COVID? The Chinese lied about COVID, They allowed 291 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: it to escape in some way from a laboratory. They 292 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: didn't notify the rest of the world, which may have, 293 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: let's remember, may have if they had just been totally honest, 294 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: there might have been some way to stop COVID before 295 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: it spread all around the world, before it led to 296 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: what I think is going to be, unfortunately, a recession 297 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: that is in a large degree predicated on excessive spending 298 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: before it led to your business is getting shut down, 299 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: before it led to your kids being either not able 300 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: to go to school or forced to wear a mask 301 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: while they're there, And we don't even bring it up 302 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: in the meeting between Chairman z and Joe Biden. I 303 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: find that to be an embarrassment. And I know there's 304 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things to be embarrassed about with the 305 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Biden administration, but not even being willing to bring up 306 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: the lies that China has allowed to be propagated surrounding 307 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: COVID in our first face to face meeting with the 308 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: Chinese between our two leaders since before COVID started. It 309 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: just feels like an incredible weakness that we are illustrating. 310 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? I mean, 311 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: we didn't punish our own politicians forgetting so much row. Fortunately, 312 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: what are we going to do when it comes to 313 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: China being the origin of this virus and possibly Chinese 314 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: recklessness in that lab that they're likely Chinese recklessness in 315 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: that lab that caused it. What are we going to 316 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: do about it? You know, you never want to make 317 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: threats you can't follow up on. Yeah, And I think 318 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: one of the challenges here is figuring out how in 319 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: the world we get through two more years of Biden now, 320 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a legitimate concern. 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That's a letter X chair Clay dot com. 340 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: No other chair can compare to X chair X chairclay 341 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: dot com. Now welcome back in Clay Turravis buck Sexton Show. 342 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: You may remember this guest that we are about to 343 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: talk to right now, Nolan Peterson, because he came to 344 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: us live from Ukraine right before the Russian Army invaded Ukraine. 345 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: He's a former Air Force Special ops pilot correspondent for 346 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Coffee or Die magazine. Back now in the United States 347 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: for the first time in eighteen months. No one we 348 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you spending the time with us here. What can 349 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: you tell us about the situation on the ground in 350 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine where we are headed, and what the experience has 351 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: been like for you over the last almost year since 352 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: this invasion started. Hey, well, thank you for having me 353 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: on again. It's been a hell of a year. You know, 354 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: there are many people like me who anticipated the full 355 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: scale invasion was going to happen, but you know, still 356 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: being a resident of a European capital and Keys and 357 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: to have been there and witnessed no cruise missile strikes 358 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: in the city, and to quite literally have the walls 359 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: of my apartment shaking from mortars artillery just a couple 360 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: kilometers away from where I live was was really shocking. 361 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: But it's been absolutely remarkable to see how this country 362 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: has united around their their common defense. And you know, 363 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: for me as an American, it's so inspiring to see 364 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: so many of my friends who had no affiliation to 365 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: the military before the war but volunteered to take up 366 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: arms and to send their country. You know, the Russian 367 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: defeat and the Battle of Kiev was a major turning 368 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: point in the war, and over the summer into the fall. 369 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Now we've seen the Ukrainians on the offensive both in 370 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: the eastern Harkiev region and just recently over the weekend. 371 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody's aware of the news that Ukrainians took 372 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: back Kirsan, which was the only regional capital that Russia 373 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: had seized at the beginning of the war, a city 374 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: in southern Ukraine, sort of nearly the exit of the 375 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: Nepro River into the Black Sea. So Ukraine is on 376 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: the march. I think morale is relatively high among the troops, 377 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: and I have to say, you know, as Russia continues 378 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: these long range cruise missile on Kamakazi drone attacks against 379 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine's power grid, which has made life pretty miserable in 380 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: cities across Ukraine, including Key where my wife and I live, 381 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: and we're losing electricity and heating going to the cold 382 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: winter months, not to mention just the terror of hearing 383 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: cruise missiles and Iranian shot head drones impacting near us 384 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: quite often living under that constant fear in that strain. 385 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: I think that this latest victory in Karasan is a 386 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: real morale boost for Ukraine's troops but also the civilians 387 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: as they look forward to what's probably going to be 388 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: a very very tough winter on the foot side of that, 389 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: you know, for Russia's military, which is largely being filled 390 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: up with reservist who've been basically press gained in the 391 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: service our shortest supplies and training. The constant advance of 392 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians is very detrimental, detrimental to the morale, you know, 393 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: especially since they're going to be sitting out there in 394 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: trenches and foxhols in a blow zero, very very cold 395 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: and miserable weather coming up. I think one more thing 396 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: to mentioned too. Do you hear a lot of talk 397 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: about the possibility of a winter lull in fighting, and 398 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: from my perspective of my you know, my communication with 399 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: Ukrainian troops, I anticipate that Ukraine's going to push its 400 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: advantage this winter and to keep up its momentum and 401 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: to keep hammering both to you know, destroy Russian morales, 402 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: just get back as much territory as they can while 403 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: they have that battlefield advantage. Well, Nolan, we appreciate you 404 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: being with us and thanks for coming back. We talked 405 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: to you at the very beginning of this conflict, and 406 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: now we're glad you're safe on on us soil. For 407 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: the meantime, but obviously it has been a very difficult, 408 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: to put it mildly year for the Ukrainian people. What 409 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 1: do we know about the scale of Russian losses is 410 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: and what what do you think the Russian endgame is here? 411 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, given that it doesn't seem even thinks they're 412 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: going to be able to take the whole of the 413 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: country of Ukraine over there. They're on the defense right 414 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: now and losing ground. As you say, so where where 415 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: is this? I mean, first off, how has this affected 416 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: the Russian military in terms of scale and where do 417 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: you think this is going? Yeah, well, I think you know, 418 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: the Russian military, you know, at least their invasion force 419 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: in Ukraine has been fall intents and purposes decimated. And 420 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, from just a logistical standpoint, 421 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Russia's ability to conduct any offensive operations, you know, in 422 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: the next six to nine months or years, probably almost nothing. 423 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: They're going to be on the defenses. And you know, 424 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: not just when it comes to their ability that mustard 425 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: troops and military hardware, but also the morale of those troops, 426 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: like I just mentioned, you know, many of those many 427 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: of the the you know, the ranks of the Russian 428 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: units are being filled by this reservist who don't want 429 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: to be out there. They have little to no training, 430 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: they're not getting enough equipment. So I think that, you know, 431 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: for the Ukrainians right now, it's in their interest to 432 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: keep going to push as far as they can. And 433 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: for for Russia, I think it's it's going to boil 434 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: down to a political decision in Moscow about how they can, 435 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, tip sort of tap dance their way out 436 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: of this, I think my perspective, But can I can 437 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: I you only know, We've obviously given a lot of 438 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: material weapons finances, financing to Ukraine in this conflict the 439 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: American people have do you get a lot of I mean, 440 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: are Ukrainians like just very thankful to America. I mean 441 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: you get people kind of come up to you, like, 442 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your people have done here? 443 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: Or has it not really come up? Oh it's I 444 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: feel like a rock star walking around. Especially as an 445 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: American veteran who served interact in Afghanistan. I wish every 446 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: American had the opportunity to go to go to Ukraine 447 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: and speak to people in the streets. And my father 448 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: in law is a veteran of the Soviet military, and 449 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: he has tears in his eyes every time he talks 450 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: to me. He's so thankful that we saved their country. 451 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, this post Soviet society, you know, with a 452 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: generation of young people who braved sniper's bullets in the 453 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: might on to overturn a corrupt pro Russian regime. They 454 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: want to live in a democracy. They look to America 455 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: as their ideal for what they want to achieve in life. 456 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: And we're enabling that to happen. And we're going to 457 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: have an incredible ally for the rest of our lives 458 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: in Ukraine because of what we've done there, and I 459 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: think that's something that we should all be proud about. Moreover, 460 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: when you look at Carson from more military standpoint, the 461 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: troops who fought to liberate her Son are extremely grateful 462 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: for the US weapons because those highmars allowed the Ukrainians 463 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: to pummel the Russians supply depots and logistics hubs, you know, 464 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: the bridges across the Nepro River, and it allowed the 465 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Ukrainians to take back her Assan without laying siege to 466 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: the city. You know, the way that Russians have advanced 467 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: is they just blast everything ahead of them and lay 468 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, just basically level cities to occupy them. But 469 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: Dukrainians are able to fight smart and save Cizilian casualties, 470 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: to save their infrastructure because they're able to use these 471 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: precision weapons very well to advance and ultimately the war 472 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: is going to be a lot shorter and it's going 473 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: to create a lot less civilian deaths because Ukraine has 474 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: the ability to start smiling, to fight smartly and precisely. 475 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: And so I think that you know, the influx of 476 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: US weapons, some have argued that that is prolonging the war, 477 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: but I would argue the exact opposite. I mean, Ukraine 478 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: has advanced weaponry and they're using that to great effect 479 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: to bring the war to a victorious end from the perspectives, 480 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: and at a much lower costs and sufficient civilian cash. Alright, 481 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 1: no one quickly here to close? What is the timeframe 482 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: of a resolution of some sort? Here? You can correct 483 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But we're sitting probably as we 484 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: move into fall and winter there, it's less likely there's 485 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: going to be advanced military operations because of snow and 486 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: the difficulty of moving troops and material and everything else 487 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Where are we going. As we come closer to another spring, 488 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: when does this end? Well, I actually think the Ukrainians 489 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: are probably not going to have a law and fighting 490 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: this winter. There might be some slight law if they're 491 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: trying to reconstitute their literal logistics. And now they face 492 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: a pretty formable Russian defensive line along to the eastern 493 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: bank of the Nifro River. But I think, you know, 494 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: it's definitely a Ukraine's interest to keep going right now, 495 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: to get as much land as they want. You know, 496 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: at some point, I think, you know, almost every war ends, 497 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and you know, the two sides deciding, sitting down at 498 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: the table and deciding at the end of the conflict. 499 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: But I think an important, you know, idea for Americans 500 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: to remember is that when it comes to Ukraine's thinking 501 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: about an end of this war, it's not about lines 502 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: on a map. Most Ukrainians really don't care about the 503 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: territory that they want to get back. You know, after 504 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: hearing all these stories and I personally saw, you know, 505 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: the mass graves and the civilian dead in Busha and 506 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: are peeing, you know, these outlying parts of Key or 507 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Russian's massacre mini civilians, you know, for Ukrainians, but they 508 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: see those lines on the map is sort of the 509 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: leading edge of Russia's invasion, and they know that behind 510 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: that or millions of Ukrainians who are living under oppressions, 511 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: they're being raped and tortured and murdered, and they don't 512 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: want to consign millions of their fellow citizens that sort 513 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: of barbaric occupation. And so it's going to be really, 514 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: really difficult for President Zelenski of Ukraine, as well as 515 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: for many Ukrainian citizens to come to terms with Russia 516 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: occupying any of their land. And you see no recent 517 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: polling puts Ukrainians national among civilians their support for you know, 518 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: continuing the war until they get all their territory back 519 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: like well over eighty percent, So you know, it's you know, 520 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: the future of any war is really hard to predict 521 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: because it's contingent on so many things. But I would 522 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: say at least for the near term, we can expect 523 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: to see Ukraine continuing to get back as much territory 524 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: and liberate as many as of its citizens as possible 525 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: while and by the way, while they enjoy the continued 526 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: support of the West, because they probably understand that you know, 527 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: maybe that support won't last forever, and they need to 528 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: try and win this war as quickly as they can. 529 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: No on where can people go to read your dispatches 530 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: and your pieces from Ukraine. Where you've been covering this 531 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: war from the very beginning. Coffee or Dye dot com. 532 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: So it's the military news magazine run by a black wife, 533 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: Coffee and a lot of great, great reporters, a lot 534 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: of them are veterans. So yeah, it's been a great 535 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: privillage of mine to be there these past nine months, 536 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: and it's for the last eight years to report on 537 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: this war. And yeah, as for some is an American 538 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: who lives in Ukraine. I'm so grateful because you know, 539 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: the American tact tax dollars saved my life too, giving 540 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine's the Ukrainians the ability to defend themselves in their 541 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: capital city. 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Go to the iHeart app, 568 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: subscribe to Clay and Buck there put up hour by 569 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: hour of the show also best of every Day. Afterwards, 570 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: Clay is going to do a post show on Twitter. 571 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: I'll be on rumbull so rumball dot com, slash Buck 572 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: Sexton or go follow Clay on Twitter. He'll be doing 573 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: a stream, probably talking about some of the sporting events 574 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: that I'm sure we're occurring over the weekend. I don't 575 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: have I don't have cable. By way, I'm a cord cutter. 576 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't have cable anymore. I got rid of it. 577 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm now a streaming only and you know, 578 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: web only person. So I think that, but there are ways, 579 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Not that this is that important for me, but you 580 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: can watch live sports streaming now, right, This is a 581 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: thing that people can do. Yeah. Look, I was down 582 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: in Oxford, Mississippi, great college town over the weekend for 583 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: Alabama against Ole, miss Appreciate everybody that I've been meeting 584 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: on the road. I'll be up in Lexington, Kentucky this weekend. 585 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, look, the Amazon now has streaming only as 586 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: a part of Amazon prime for Thursday night football. My 587 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Titans are going to be playing on the road against 588 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers on Thursday. I'll actually be at 589 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: the Patriot Awards, so I'm already thinking about how am 590 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: I going to watch the game while we're simultaneously doing 591 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: the Patriot Awards. Important? But it is, I mean for 592 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: people like me, this is this is a big deal. 593 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: Figure out how to watch the sporting event that you 594 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: want to watch while there's another activity going on that 595 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: you might have obligations to be at as well. You 596 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Amazon. By the way, Amazon is planning to cut 597 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: ten thousand jobs, which is only one percent of its 598 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: global workforce, but it's still ten thousand jobs, and so 599 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a bunch of a bunch of 600 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: hits there. Jeff Bezos, the I think he's come out recently. 601 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: Instead he's gonna give away his whole fortune, which is 602 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: that's really when you're so rich that money has no meaning, 603 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: Eventually you get this place where giving away your money 604 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: is the thing that feels good. So whatever, But here 605 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: he is telling everybody about the economy, which you're noticing 606 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: people aren't really talking about that much right now. It 607 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: feels like a little bit of a huh. That midterm 608 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: just happened a little weird. What happens now? Economy is 609 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: still not good, folks, and it could get it could 610 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: get rough in the new year. Listen to what a 611 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: Bezos has to say. The economy does not look great 612 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: right now. Things are slowing down. You're seeing layoffs in many, 613 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: many sectors of the economy. People are slowing down. The 614 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: probabilities say, if we're not in a recession right now, 615 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: we're likely to be in one very soon. So my 616 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: advice to people, whether they're small business owners or you know, 617 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: is take some risk off the table. If you were 618 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: going to make a purchase, maybe slow down that purchase 619 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: a little bit. Keep some dry powder on hand. So 620 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: if you're an individual and you're thinking about buying a 621 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: new large screen TV, maybe slow that down, keep that cash. 622 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: See what happens. Same thing with a refrigerator or a 623 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: new car or whatever. Just take some risk off the table. 624 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: If you're a small business, maybe delay some capital purchases. 625 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who sells probably more 626 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: flat screen TVs and many fridges than anyone else on 627 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: the planet, and he's like, you may want to just 628 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: keep that cash handy because things are gonna get rough. 629 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: If you think about meta, which is Facebook, Twitter, now Amazon, 630 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: many of these big companies are letting you know that 631 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: a recession is coming by the way that they are 632 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: letting go of employees right now. So Buck, I wanted 633 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: to finish at least with a positive. They had a 634 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: game in I believe it was Munich, Germany. Uh, the 635 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: NFL game they're playing overseas now this is Tom Brady 636 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: going up against and the Bucks going up against the 637 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. And I couldn't believe when this happened. They 638 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: broke out all singing a huge percentage of this German 639 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: people country roads, John Denver's legendary anthem about actually Virginia, 640 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: but everybody's ascribed it to West Virginia. Listen to this 641 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: from Germany. This is Denver. This is literally not this 642 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: is this is this? I mean Germans. I have no 643 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: idea so popular off Deutches the SIGs of John Denver song. 644 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm in my pickup truck, I'm 645 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: drinking the American beer. It's delicious. That's and this might 646 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: you can fire back at the German guy with the 647 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 1: better scooter and be like, Hey, happen to hear John 648 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: Denver in uh In, Munich over the weekend. Sounds like 649 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: your people love not only David Hasselhoff, but also also 650 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: they love John Denver. There are some things that still 651 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: unite all of us for the most part. So there's that, 652 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: and tomorrow we're gonna be one of those things, hopefully 653 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: uniting all of you across the country, those of you 654 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: who are a digital podcast listeners around the world too. 655 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: Talking then