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Speaker 3: the Chronicles podcast. It's your boy, Big Steel along with

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Speaker 3: one of my favorites in here Man Honeley Rock, Marciano's

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Good, I just heard you say you just moved out

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Speaker 1: And I lived out here before this, my second run

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Speaker 3: Flipping Moore, how you run across them kits?

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Speaker 1: What do you think went wrong with him? Man? I mean,

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Speaker 5: Though, when you stick to your elements and don't worry

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Speaker 5: That's why I've never worried about the position my shit played,

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Speaker 4: You can go you know, MC eight, and they'll be like, nah,

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Speaker 5: But it's what enables you to have that longevity. You

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Speaker 3: And when you first came in, you came in with

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Speaker 3: No, But.

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Speaker 1: If you're making quality music and people you know are

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Speaker 1: you know what, the money in streaming wasn't sustainable yet

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Speaker 3: I think that's the new model. Oh definitely that's the

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Speaker 5: perfect combination, right yeah, fuck it, I'm all I was

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Speaker 5: gonna get the nigga, I was gonna get the CD

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Speaker 5: You know, I've something else too. I'm gonna say, we

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Speaker 3: That'll be hard, man, because I noticed, man that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting ready to go back at next month.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back over there.

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite spot over there so far?

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Speaker 1: Man like, oh yeah, I can't forget London.

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Speaker 3: Out to London, I forget that. London got a certain

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nah, hell no, you can't play with them,

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Speaker 5: You can't play a lot of them spots Man, Germany, London,

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Speaker 3: That's the thing man over here in the States, I

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Speaker 3: rock Marciano ship, right. He looking at you. He's a

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if I want to they

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Speaker 5: You know, it depends on who the fan is. You

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Speaker 5: I'm not going on the fucking show like screaming and rapping.

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Speaker 5: The niggas raps the shit. Nigga, I can go over there.

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Speaker 3: I'm a nigga. If I'm gonna rock him show, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm up front rapping with him, I ain't gonna from that.

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Speaker 4: Niggas looking at you like a look at this up here?

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Speaker 3: If you go to enjoy your show, you pay your ticket.

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Speaker 3: You know, tis be two hundred dollars. Sometime you pay

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Speaker 3: and it's a time Caps who take you back to

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Speaker 3: a sandwich, man might be taking out the trash. But

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Speaker 1: Bro Oh, definitely, that's how I look at it. That's

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Speaker 3: You can't. I tell people, man, like you said, the

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Speaker 3: know that if it's somebody, if I'm rapping along, I

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Speaker 3: don't give a damn about looking like a weird Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm up the jam when I'm paying viving. I paid

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the atmosphere because you know that might

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Uh, cause you'll notice niggas

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Speaker 5: it's just the presence, like you said. When I go

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Speaker 3: Here right there though too. Man, I think when you

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Speaker 3: You got legendary stuff out of there. So I'm pretty

431
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: sure when you was coming up you saw EPM D.

432
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: You might see EPM D Baill, you might see Eric

433
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: Simon dipping down the street. Absolutely, And because back then

434
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't a whole lot of money and hip hop.

435
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: I always laugh when I hear the one you got

436
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: to chill when my boy does I get a thousand

437
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: of show? And he said that with confidence, like I

438
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 3: get a thousand show? Just many places, you know, deal

439
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: with do Jackson on a one on one basis for real?

440
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: And even when Biggie he said five jez a show gate.

441
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: You think Biggie was a huge jazz rse man only

442
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 3: getting five thousand the show? You feel what I'm saying.

443
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: Big money back then too, Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

444
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: You A fire call back then was a forty thousand

445
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: dollars car exactly.

446
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: So them cats, you saw them cats, they were accessible

447
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 3: because they wasn't making the millions of dollars yet to

448
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: just be gone. They were still accessible. And I think

449
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 3: when you see people that kind of take away like,

450
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: don't nobody really want to know fuck with Clark Kent?

451
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: They want to see Superman?

452
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: Right right?

453
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, Because if a niggas see

454
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 3: you in the grocery store, you kind of don't lost

455
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: your superpower. It's not like, oh man, this nigga just

456
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: like me. He's sitting on their toe with all the

457
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: bros he bagged and all the money he got and

458
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: he's shopping in the same place. To some people, that's

459
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 3: just hurting on the subliminal lever.

460
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I used to see you. I used to

461
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: see these dudes, you know, moving around, see Roy Cam

462
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: spinning through in the bends. Used to see Ben's Marky

463
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: all the time. Used to be in the hood at

464
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: the blimpis, at a sandwich spot and Granddaddy ayu he

465
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: from my neighborhood too, and you so yeah, so I

466
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: used to see him over there all the time. So

467
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: I could actually see these brothers and it made me

468
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: like Damn, this is I could do this shit because

469
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: I see these people, you know, so you know I

470
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: will always see Bess at the Blimpy spot, bad bitches,

471
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 1: big truck, jewelry on and shit like that. Shit was like, wow, man,

472
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: I could I could be that.

473
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: Who would you say the most some Who would you

474
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: say influence your style? Morgause? You got a lot of

475
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: MC's coming out of him instead, Man.

476
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: I Kim Yeah, I'm a rock him baby. You know

477
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm a rock him baby first and foremost. But you

478
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: know after that, you know, you got the g raps,

479
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: you got the slick. You know, I told eight eight

480
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: cent my style that's in the pot, like you know

481
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like even like I look at you know,

482
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: Compta's Most Wanted kind of like the path I took

483
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: because then when you had everybody was running around, Oh

484
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: it's n w a sis Cubans, I was like, Yo,

485
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: this comps most wanted ship. Though, this is this is

486
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: my ship. You know, I love the other ship, but

487
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my style.

488
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: But you know why I fuck with them because I

489
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: always was a huge hip hop here. I love hip hop.

490
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: I like sampling, I like breaks, you know, That's why

491
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: I love it now, because they got the ship like

492
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: track lid to where you can go get the samples

493
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 3: and then get the stems and all that and there,

494
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: so you just like, man, I gotta do Man, I

495
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 3: ain't got to try to filter this out no more.

496
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: I'm taking these horns from here and I'm putting this

497
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: right here, this Bra singing. I can get a reef

498
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: of Franklin's vocals and have her back there and I

499
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: only got to pay two hundred dollars. They're putting everything

500
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: out there right now. I love that era of hip

501
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: hop to creating something from nothing. Oh definitely address And

502
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. And that's compass Most Wanted because

503
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: when I first heard contains Most Wanted, I heard a

504
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: dude from Compton. But it wasn't the regular stuff. It

505
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 3: wasn't because I liked the bember bump too, but I

506
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: didn't want to hear that all the time.

507
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: I didn't like that.

508
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 5: It's not that I didn't like it, it's I thought

509
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: it was typical get me, because that's what made the

510
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 5: Easies and the nwas and it basically is what cultured

511
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: our style. The Zap, the Rogers, the George Clinton's that

512
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 5: was used a lot on the West Coast, And I

513
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 5: always tell niggas, I want to to be more cinematic

514
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 5: with my shit. I didn't want niggas like if you

515
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: was finna ride around and my shit, nigga, you was

516
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: finna do somebody like, I ain't want you riding around

517
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 5: and my shit happy and like yeah, nigga, yet no

518
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 5: he was. I wanted you to ride around to my

519
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 5: ship like the mobsters getting ready to go pull a

520
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: hit on a nigga, or nigga, you and the motherfucking

521
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: scene in a movie and it's finna get fucking serious

522
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 5: and crazy.

523
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: That's what I always wanted.

524
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: My ship was always cinematic because where the era I

525
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 5: grew up in, niggas shit was crazy as a motherfucker.

526
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: And always used to tell niggas, ain't nothing fun over here.

527
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: I don't see how niggas riding around thinking life is

528
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 5: fun and you know, partying and shit like nigga, fuck

529
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 5: that shit, that shit ain't happening, or in real life,

530
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 5: niggas getting shot up every day, niggas going to jail,

531
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 5: niggas on the corners trying to motherfucking survive, we piecing

532
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 5: up on boxes of chicken and forty ounces and shit.

533
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: You know in the neighborhood.

534
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: You know, the thousand niggas man trying to piece up

535
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 5: on a twelve piece and get a couple of forties

536
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: and shit. That was real life. Niggas was coming through

537
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: with the lights off and dumping and shit like that.

538
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: So I couldn't write songs about like, you know, it's

539
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 5: bitches going down the street and we going to the

540
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 5: party and shit like Nigga. I'm like, niggas is finna

541
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: shoot this motherfucking party up in my record, That's what's

542
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 5: finna happen or or or nigga the battle ram fit

543
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 5: to come through the front door while niggas all in here,

544
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 5: Dad sitty partyer this shit. Yeah, niggas finna get shot

545
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 5: up around this motherfucker.

546
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: You come from him. Stayed in New York. Y'all had

547
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: some serious king pins. Y'all had king like lad king pons.

548
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: York had king pins. Y'all have balls. So you saw

549
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: that whole crack Jenner.

550
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: That whole crack thing, notorious block. My whole block is

551
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: a project. My whole every the whole strip is project.

552
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: So my my my block. They didn't did documentaries about it,

553
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: this fucking uh the raid, the raids from remember Public

554
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: enemy Ship?

555
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 5: Uh.

556
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: I forgot that song they did about crack and they

557
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: showing some of the raids from from uh from my

558
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: actual block. So you know, I'm from Terry Save, Terry Save.

559
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a notorious like it's still it's

560
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: still littered with drugs to this day. You know what

561
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Terry Sava is still a notorious block. So

562
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: like it was saying, I wanted my music to feel

563
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: like how how we feel. I will always wanted my

564
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: music to be the background or how when we was

565
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: out there hustling. I wanted my that's it. So that

566
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: was how I wanted my ship to sound like the

567
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: pissy hallways. You know, I just wake up. You know

568
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: fiends had their couches in the hallways sleeping, you know

569
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: what I mean, that type of shit, you know. So

570
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: I always wanted that. And even when you said cinematic,

571
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: that's I still say that to this day when people

572
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: were like, how you pick your beats? I picked my

573
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: beats and I think I think of it like a

574
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: movie and I feel like when my beat play I

575
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: wanted to feel like this is the part of the

576
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: movie where I walk in. It's how I want it

577
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: to sound. So Yeah, So the music and all of that,

578
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: the drug eraror and all of that, that's what the whole,

579
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: that's where it comes from. Because I always wanted my

580
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: ship to be the soundtrack to what we did on

581
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: the block.

582
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, because I know Kools you rapped. I'm gonna

583
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: tell you that. Who was nice from over there? Man,

584
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: No nobody crying. Daddy IU was a bad motherfucker.

585
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: That's the big homie that was on.

586
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: He was on the label with me. Yeah, back in

587
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 5: the day. Is when I was signing the epic. Back

588
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: in the days, Granddaddy IU was over there.

589
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Recipe to grand Daddy Yu.

590
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: You know that.

591
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: That's the big that's the big bro.

592
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: Man.

593
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: He took me under the wing early when I was

594
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: trying to get on and he put me on some

595
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: records and stuff like that.

596
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's necessary, man. I think everybody should

597
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: go back and do that like once, because that means

598
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: a lot. Man, that means a lot. And I'm pretty

599
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: sure you picked up some jewels from him.

600
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just to have you welcome me into

601
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: his home. Like, you know, I understand Big Daddy Iu

602
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: is a cold, chilling artist. Like to be able to

603
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: like you know, be able to make music with him

604
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: and get game from him firsthand. All of that stuff

605
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: like that gave me all the confidence in the world.

606
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: When somebody like you say your rock you nice. You

607
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You're gonna be something. That stuff

608
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: like that, It just it faed my confidence.

609
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: That makes big as difference.

610
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: How did she from my town too? Even though he

611
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: wrapped Queen's Bridge, you know what I'm saying, but he

612
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: also wrapped him Stead as well.

613
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 5: Up.

614
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he grew up around uh, you know, around the

615
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: town too.

616
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: That's what I heard, you know what, because I read

617
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: his book and stuff. I'm a the avid book reader, right,

618
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: so I read his book, especially anything about hip hop.

619
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: I guess making my business to know about the culture. Right.

620
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: So you in New York City, How the hell did

621
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: you get hooked up with Carson Dally?

622
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy When Loud Records was still popping, Like

623
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to do a deal with Loud Records,

624
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: I had a crew caller, you win. So you had

625
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: Scott Free and Maddie c They was like two of

626
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: the biggest an r's under there. So they bought Woo

627
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Tang and you know Pond and all these guys over there,

628
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they were bringing us

629
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: over to Loud at the time, and Loud folded while

630
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: we was doing our deal. So Steve Rifkin was the

631
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: owner of Loud. He had a younger brother, you know,

632
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: John Rifkin, and he he was clicked up with Carson Daily.

633
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: So they decided they was gonna do a little label,

634
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we was dudes of

635
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: the Free and uh and Maddie c was working with.

636
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: So he just brought us over to them, like yo, yo,

637
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: these guys are nice, yo, get them you know what

638
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Get them a shot. So that's how that happened.

639
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, because Carson Daley was huge as a

640
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: motherfucker at that time. That was that was MTV.

641
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: It was crazy because yeah, he's a hip hop dude,

642
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And at that time, I

643
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: was still knee deep in the streets. So you know,

644
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: he would hit me up after Blue Yo rock whatever,

645
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you'll go down to

646
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Western Union go snatch you a couple of thousand. I

647
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this dude is Yeah, he's official, Like

648
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So shout out there. I

649
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't forget shit like that, you know, shout

650
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: out to Carston Delhi.

651
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: Man, it's enough horror stories. Man. We definitely got to

652
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: salute all the good cats. So did you think the

653
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: whole label thing is obsolete right now?

654
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Labeling what and what? What?

655
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: What you mean?

656
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Sign a major? Yeah, definitely if you well, you know,

657
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: if you want to be a superstar and you want

658
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: to be in the limelight on a big scale for

659
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the most part, you still kind of need to surfer

660
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: on that line.

661
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: A little bit.

662
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: If if that's your if that's your quest, if your

663
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: quest is to.

664
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: Be ain't gonna be Chris Brown independent?

665
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: No, unless you unless you know, you just one of

666
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 5: them niggas who hit it off greatly. You if I

667
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: tell niggas this, if you fantasize of being uh signed

668
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 5: to a label, you know, because there are some cats

669
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: who still have that. I'm signing the Universal, I'm signing

670
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 5: the Deaf Jam. You know what I'm saying.

671
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: It's some niggas who still loan for that you give me.

672
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's, you know, economically a

673
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 5: wise decision, But some dudes want that that moniker. I

674
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 5: want to put on that jacket that says death Jam

675
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: on the back and walk around. I want to put

676
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: on that coat that says Sony Music. And you know,

677
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 5: because some dudes, I get it, I could be independent.

678
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: Am I gonna be as big as if they did it?

679
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: You give me?

680
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 5: Because nine times out of ten, they're not gonna even

681
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: put the money behind you to be that.

682
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. They're not gonna drop the money,

683
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: you know, on you.

684
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 5: To feel significant for putting on that jacket you give

685
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: me you on death Jam.

686
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: But nigga, you still living on the block. And shit,

687
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: see a.

688
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: Dude like Drake though he kind of eating major label

689
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: system because he getting a big chunk of money, I'm

690
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: pretty much, I don't know. He probably not getting nothing

691
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: else off than records.

692
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, everybody else is anybody else?

693
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's getting a big chunk of money. So I

694
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: think if you're in a situation like that, it probably

695
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: worked for you.

696
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 5: Well, it works for a lot of uh uh say

697
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: newcomer artists in that era, Like you said, there's only there.

698
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 5: You know, there ain't gonna be another drake come along,

699
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 5: just like twenty years ago there was an M and M.

700
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: Who so you get me. It's always hip hop pop. Yeah,

701
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: they're there there there. Yeah, it's like a motherfucker making

702
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 5: some gumbo. It ain't just you know what you're getting

703
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 5: when you eat some greens. You know what you're getting

704
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: when you eat some fried chicken. When a motherfucker make

705
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 5: a pot of gumbo. Everybody make they shit different and

706
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: it's all kind of shit in there.

707
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: This is the one thing I do say because I

708
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: look at some of these records, man, and I'm a

709
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist by nature me too. I'll look at certain

710
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: stuff and the record just be out of five minutes,

711
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: and you might go on the end there, look at somebody.

712
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 3: You come back to the record that three million views,

713
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: then five million. I think it's a big bot game

714
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: being played right now, even with the podcast dog.

715
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: It ain't no secret.

716
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: Even when there's a big bot game, and it's whoever

717
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: got the little infrastructure to play the game the right way.

718
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna tell you something the way stuff feels now.

719
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: Social currency is a real thing. If you see a

720
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: video that God, if you go to a video to god,

721
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: let's say twenty thousand views, it might be the dopest

722
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: shit ever. But you see this other villea that got

723
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: twenty million, it's gonna be a people that it's gonna

724
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: be a certain contingency of people that think the video

725
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: that got the twenty million views is the better product.

726
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: You damn right. And that's how they turn That's how

727
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: they turn that wheel.

728
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that made your money though, But that's what when

729
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: you go over to one of the big companies, they're like,

730
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: don't worry, we're gonna guarantee your success. They don't always work,

731
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: but when they can put that kind of money behind you.

732
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: Independent artist, you can't pump millions of dollars into your

733
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: marketing and promotion, but they can.

734
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: Man, let me tell you something. If you messed around

735
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 3: and put a single out tomorrow and that motherfucker jumped

736
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: up to about seventy eighty million spins by Friday, they

737
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: would be trying to flag your shit for something. Oh yeah,

738
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: even if it was super legit, they would be oh no,

739
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: there's no way.

740
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Oh they gonna pop up and try to offer you

741
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: a bag. They're gonna try to, you know, to see it.

742
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: They try to throw you up under the wing.

743
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: And I could tell you, man around when that first happened,

744
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: I could say it now because I ain't snitching on nobody,

745
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: but I usould sell a lot of I used to

746
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: sell records right for different people. I used to distribute

747
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: dash them stuff overseas. I met a cat man that

748
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: told me, hey, man, if you got an album, I

749
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: can guarantee you top ten, and I just start building

750
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 3: with him, I said, because he said, Man, I'm dealing

751
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: with a dude that's from northern California, and I'm doing

752
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: it for him. You send me five thousand CDs and

753
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: me six thousand dollars. I can guarantee you top ten.

754
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: But if you want to stay top ten, like the thing,

755
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: you gotta keep paying. They were sending I guess a

756
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: certain amount of copies to all the sound skin stories

757
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna liab, but what happened was your

758
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: shit hit billboard. You start selling more records. It was

759
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: like a marketing thing at one point.

760
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because people see you selling and they feel like,

761
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: oh shit.

762
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: I gotta get that look at it or what Last

763
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 5: week it was number twenty, This week it's number thirteen.

764
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: I gotta go buy that, motherfucker.

765
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: It's a skin. That was master. People was the master.

766
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: That's a marketing scheme. He was the master of the

767
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: marketing thing. Master. People would put records that probably wouldn't

768
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: go never come out, and you know in the line

769
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: of notes.

770
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 5: And people would actually be checking for that stuff. Damn right,

771
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: they'd be checking. Just built it, built your anticipation.

772
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: He had a lot of hustle. Let me ask you,

773
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: this man, was you around what was the vibe in

774
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: New York? Because I almost know the answer. When the

775
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: whole East Coast, West Coast Shenanigan ship was going down,

776
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: what was the vibele? And nobody gave the fuck about it?

777
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: That that's what's crazy. In the streets. I felt like

778
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: the industry they took control of the narrative because in

779
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: the streets we loved the West Coast music. Like when

780
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: I was a care I remember we got our hands

781
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: on West Coast music and how raw niggas was with

782
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: it and how they was talking. Man, we was playing

783
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: that shit like cause that to me, that represents a

784
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: time like when you know, we were first jumping off

785
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: the porch, and you know, even though we loved our

786
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: lyrical artists, but to just hear motherfucker's talking about n

787
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: way they kidnapping holes on the records, you know, shit

788
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: bitches in the car like it was just like some

789
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: shit we ain't never heard. So we really, we really

790
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: was fucking with West Coast music real hard. And I

791
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: felt like the the industry took control of the narrative

792
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: trying to kind of try to make it, you know,

793
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: they put a lot of smut on the game and

794
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: made it seem like, you know, it was some type

795
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: of like hate or animosity on the on the East Coast,

796
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: but it was It wasn't like.

797
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: That, And it wasn't like that in the streets out here.

798
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: That's the funny thing. That's why I asked, Because the

799
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: funny thing is, when that whole thing's going down, I

800
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: used to wonder who the hell got beef because I'm

801
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: still gonna listen to whoever the fuck I want to

802
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: listen to.

803
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: It.

804
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 5: I wasn't a biggie, It wasn't. I don't even think

805
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 5: it was like everybody like you have to see that

806
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: it was really, like you said, the media and and

807
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: and people loved outside who really wanted to spin that

808
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 5: narrative because it sold magazines. It kept reports going off

809
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: East Coast, West Coast. But it was two motherfucking it was.

810
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: It's just like it was two hoods beefing with each other.

811
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't the whole city beefing, you get me. It

812
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 5: was two hoods beefing with each other. And it just

813
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: happened to be. It was a hood on the East

814
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: Coast and there was a hood on And I'm saying

815
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: that in representation to the record labels.

816
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 4: You get me. It wasn't.

817
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 5: It wasn't like they made a bag of money off

818
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: all that shit. It wasn't like every motherfucking you know.

819
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 5: Nigga and the hood over here was like, Nigga, we

820
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: just gonna jump on the plane and go to New

821
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 5: York and just Nigga.

822
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: I was still doing shit with niggas from New York. Nigga.

823
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: I never had an issue ever, And I was going.

824
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 5: I've been going over there since I first started rapping.

825
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: It ain't real, It wasn't real.

826
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: I never had an issue going to New York. Nigga

827
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: going to record stores and clubs and everything. I never

828
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: had an issue, like.

829
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: Never second biggest market, like you know, I'm my shit,

830
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't we make music like New York make music.

831
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: And it's like my second biggest market. So I get

832
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of love out here, so people like you

833
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: know that. To me, I felt like it's not reflecting

834
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: what the streets and the people are saying. It was

835
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: all industry shit.

836
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: But no, well, I'm gonna tell you right now, it's

837
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: a lot of narratives that gets fun. And even with

838
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: the way the internet is right now, man, it's a

839
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: lot of foolishness. So you kinda kind of dig through it.

840
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: And again, social currency is the biggest thing is let

841
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: me tell you this. You can ask a kid right now.

842
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: If you ask a fifteen year old kid, I got

843
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars in this bag for you right now.

844
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: Or I got a fully automated Instagram page. But your

845
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: name wanted already got a million followers already. You know

846
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: what he gonna pick. He gonna say, Man, give me

847
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: the Instagram that page.

848
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, ain't page.

849
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 3: I'm popping already.

850
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: That's a million people.

851
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: Look, even if million people are fixed.

852
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't give them people are.

853
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: Genuinely fuck with you, then there is some money there.

854
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: There's business there. If if it's really a million people

855
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: that fuck with you, but if they just like, I'm

856
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: gonna give you a million followers with the blue check,

857
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: these people really don't know who the fuck you are. Naw,

858
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: that ain't it. But you can make money off of

859
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: your you know, like anybody. You know, if you have

860
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: a following, you have a big following, you can make money.

861
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people that with the

862
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: social currency thing, they get it twisted because they think

863
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: just because they making a fool of themselves that people

864
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: really fuck with them. They're more laughing at you than.

865
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: They are, like, well, that's what I'm saying, man, because

866
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: it's a lot of dudes crashing out right now. There's

867
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: a lot of dudes crashing out right now because they

868
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: want to be I don't even know if it's so

869
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: much for the money, bro. I think they just want

870
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: to be noticed. They just want to be that's the

871
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: main focus. The main focus is to get people watching.

872
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: It's like sometimes you know, like you said, this game

873
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 5: ain't what everybody think it is. It takes a lot

874
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 5: to make a decent dollar. But I don't even think

875
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 5: it's about the money. A lot of niggas just want

876
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 5: to be I want to be seen and just heard

877
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 5: like that's what makes That's what makes popularity. Now if

878
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: I'm just seeing and niggas is coming in my page

879
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 5: and you know, it don't matter what the fuck I'm

880
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 5: talking about. I'ma be talking about some of the craziest, outlandish,

881
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: wildest shit, but I want motherfuckers to come and watch much.

882
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 5: So Hey, that's why I said the other day, there's

883
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: no cold anymore. You see niggas who you thought was

884
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: the hardest and hardest gangsters and shit nigga on the

885
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 5: microphones right now, spitting like a motherfucking Brad new MC.

886
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: It's certain groups that when you first hear them, like

887
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: when I first heard Wu Tang Klan, I knew they

888
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: was gonna be out of here. Like when I first

889
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 3: heard Cash rules everything around me, Cream get the money.

890
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: I said, Man, this is the coldest shit I've heard.

891
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: And I think because they was from long Hour.

892
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: No, they're from statn me moved to Staten Island, meft

893
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: from my block, tooleft from uh he from terror side.

894
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: Is that right?

895
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? For my projects.

896
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: Is that right? So I'm not real knowledgeable about the

897
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 3: boroughs and so direct him Stay is kind of like Brooklyn, right.

898
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: Instead it is Long Island Island yep. But Long Island, Brooklyn,

899
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: Queens all connected.

900
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: Let's all connected, right Yeah?

901
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me to drive into Queens from from him

902
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Stead at twenty minute drive ten to twenty minute drive,

903
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: just like how La is and everything, like a twenty

904
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: minute drive, you could just dip over here, like you

905
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: know what.

906
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: I said for real, Yeah, unless you living way out

907
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: you know.

908
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: The island beg though if you like out Fall, like

909
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: out east a Long Island, then yeah you might. You

910
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: might have to drive a hour or so. But you know,

911
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: I'm from Nassau County, so that's more closer to Quinn.

912
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: So so the WU was kind of like they was

913
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: like outside It's almost right.

914
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Staten Island, cause you gotta get a you gotta

915
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: get on a boat to go to Staten Island, you

916
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying for the most part that you

917
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: gotta jump on a ferry. So they was like, you know,

918
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Staten Island was a little out the way, so when

919
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: they came in, it was just like damn these niggas

920
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: from Staten Island is like.

921
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: So Stan like the ie niggas. Then they would be

922
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: like because you know we got the empire right, you

923
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: got a lot of cash out there to get real busy. Definitely,

924
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: but they in their own look you know, you got

925
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: the shout out, the dirty birdie doggy style lead and

926
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: all of them. You know they you know, definitely they

927
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: out there doing the thing.

928
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: Definitely, and the wool Staten Island. That was the first

929
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: time they kind of like that was like our first

930
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: with for some brothers from Staaten Island, like Long Island

931
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: been shaken since the eighties, like you know what from

932
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: the rock Camp all of that, so you know, the

933
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Dayla Soul, you know, all of that mf doing. So

934
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: we didn't have cast since the eighties. So when they came,

935
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: it was like, oh ship, we ain't never here with

936
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: Statn Island had to bring it the table.

937
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: It was mainland like New York really fucking with them

938
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: when they first came out. Yeah, wo took over.

939
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't no, it wasn't. I don't fe I don't

940
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: remember that being no resistance.

941
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: It could be that came out.

942
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is because it's like when

943
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 5: you know, it's like when music changes. You know, we

944
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: all go through the transition of changes with hip hop,

945
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: you know you hip hop started for us on the

946
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: really on the electronic tip funk type ship. Then it

947
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: then it went to you know, the tone looks and

948
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 5: the young yem seas and the ship like that, and

949
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 5: the and the wrecking crews and the motherfucking that type

950
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 5: of ship. And it transitioned over into the streets with

951
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 5: Tila and ice Tea. So people have their transitions, and

952
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: even New York, you know, New York went through the

953
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: you know, we had the rock kims, you know, the

954
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: first lls, the run DMC's, and then we started switching

955
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: over and then you had that era where you know,

956
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 5: everybody wanted to make the club Let's drink, Let's drink Chris,

957
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 5: Let's drink, crystyle and money ship Wu Tang was that

958
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 5: fresh breath of air you getting me, motherfucking niggas right,

959
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: it's just some regular niggas from the speaking about the

960
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 5: block and dirty life.

961
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: You're getting. They ain't have no like my.

962
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 5: Nigga was saying. They they speaking on the pissy hallways

963
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 5: type of ship. Like the ship that brought us into

964
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 5: the game, and we ain't seen that ship for a

965
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 5: while because everybody running around this motherfucking shiny suits with

966
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: crystyle bottles and ship, you know, and.

967
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: A hundred niggas together. There was another thing about the Wool.

968
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: They was deep. They came in the game like everywhere

969
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: they went, it was like a hundred them niggas. And

970
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: mind you too, I can't. I can't heard the Wool

971
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: is stating Island and Brooklyn because jes Dirty, you know,

972
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: them niggas from Brooklyn, Master Killer, they from brook So

973
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: there was definitely a mixture.

974
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: Oh Dirty Beast. That membre saw that fool of New

975
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: Orleans walking around with his shirt off, I didn't I

976
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: didn't even know it was him. We in New Orleans

977
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: bailing and this nigga got his shirt off. He gets

978
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: wrong off y'all singing like like really singing some soft

979
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: like Al Green run down Street. You're singing Al Green

980
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: with his shirt off, and I'm like, is that him?

981
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 5: My nigga, Dirty was in Compton and everything my nigga was,

982
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 5: My nigga was, That was my nigga. He I did

983
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 5: a song with Dirty, used to hang out when I

984
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: went to motherfucking When I went to Staaten Island and

985
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: was in the Can It All Be So Simple?

986
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: Video? Niggas was just regular niggas. Niggas was just regular You.

987
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: Was in the motherfucking Wu Tang movie too. I told

988
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: you the series ow me that ship. That shit fucked

989
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: me up because you know, I'm sitt up there watching.

990
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: I always go back and revisit shit. I watched right

991
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: because you always see something new. They had the New

992
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: Music Seminar and they got this nigga nigga playing MC eight.

993
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: Was like, man, I saw you with minutes. Man, that

994
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: ship was hard. He was like, yeah, man, you got

995
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: to come to comp and to fuck with a nigga.

996
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was my niggas.

997
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: So New York fuck with Oh yeah yeah yeah that spot.

998
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah game niggas. Man. I used to fuck with the

999
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: New York still do.

1000
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: Man. He got a big, big ass base out there.

1001
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: So you actually got to funk with the War and

1002
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 3: some ship, didn't you. Yeah.

1003
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: I did some joints with brothers in the War early on.

1004
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Actually Buster on one of his albums, I'm on a

1005
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: joint with him, Go Sin Ray on his Anarchy album.

1006
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: I need my plot too for that Buster, send me

1007
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: my gold record. It might be platinum by now. Yeah,

1008
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I worked with quite a

1009
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: few brothers in the War and I worked with with Jizz.

1010
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm on his album, Like

1011
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, I love the warl So.

1012
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this man, and keep it all

1013
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: the way A beam man, keep it, keep it all

1014
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: the way A thousand dog. We all fans of this ship, right,

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: We all fans of hip hop?

1016
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Right?

1017
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever have a feature with somebody and it

1018
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: kind of fucks you up? Like I can't believe I'm

1019
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: making a song with this nigga. Hmmm.

1020
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean moments like those like you know, Ghost and

1021
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: Ray and you know what I'm saying, So, yeah, moments

1022
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: like that was like oh Ship, like you're saying, we're

1023
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: talking about the bench and being me being pulled up

1024
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: off the bench for that, like out of everybody Busted had,

1025
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: Like yo, I'm pull Rock up off of the bench

1026
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: for this one. So that one. You know, even when

1027
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: I first got in the studio and working with like, uh,

1028
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: you know Pete Rock. You know what I'm saying, You

1029
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: were signed.

1030
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: To Pete right for a minute, Wagan, that was one

1031
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: of my favorites. To man, you were looking, motherfucker dog.

1032
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: Can you imagining the nigga got Pete Rock beats at

1033
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: his disposal?

1034
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pete is one of them dudes.

1035
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: Man, I got a song with Pete Rock, Peak, got

1036
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 5: some Peak, got some soul survivors.

1037
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, fire Yeah. So you know, to work with because

1038
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: I grew up, like you know, big fans of these brothers.

1039
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: So to work with.

1040
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 6: Large professor man another professor, Yeah, large professor. Main source

1041
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 6: was the ship you know what I'm saying, like, you know,

1042
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 6: so working with Tip that was also like, you know,

1043
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 6: to me, this stuff like.

1044
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: This was like my favorite now man, because I'm gonna

1045
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: tell you that main see music for me is time

1046
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: capsules because when I hear breaking Adams, when I hear

1047
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 3: when I hear looking at the front door, bro about

1048
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: me and my wife we married now I've been made

1049
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: for thirty some years. That was my girlfriend right there

1050
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: in that song is the mind of us, because I'll

1051
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: be breaking up with him and ship with like you

1052
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: know what, I'm done with your ass and next thing,

1053
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: you know.

1054
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: Back together, back together again, you know what I mean?

1055
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 5: That cuts on that album. I'm looking at the friendly

1056
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 5: game of baseball breaking that was a class.

1057
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 4: Just just hanging out. Yeah, I used Yeah, we used

1058
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: that drive by miss days. It was friendly like I do.

1059
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: That piano Ship I was live.

1060
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 5: That was my nigga, willie Z. That was my nigga,

1061
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: willie Z. That's what he had, willie Z. And then

1062
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 5: we had excerpts from Scarface. Remember when the bit when

1063
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 5: the nigga, Yeah Gina was.

1064
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: Crying, that was her on there.

1065
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: That's my ship. You know.

1066
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: It was crazy though. That's what I had to ask

1067
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 3: this nigga when I first started working with him, who

1068
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: the hell was playing that piano? Because he had the

1069
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 3: one song Ship with the just make the World go

1070
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: just mob and I had some I had some rock.

1071
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: I had some falls skates in my trunk back then

1072
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: and my maximum.

1073
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 5: At the end it switched up and just pay and

1074
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 5: the applements of music.

1075
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Had a piano pianist come in and just.

1076
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: Take it away, play all my Ship live. I never

1077
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: sampled anything.

1078
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 5: I would listen to Ship and what I would really

1079
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 5: do is how I would create music is the niggas

1080
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: would tell you. I used to ride around on tour

1081
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 5: with a mini tape recorder, and I would get ideas

1082
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 5: in my head and I would just hum him into

1083
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 5: the tape recorder, and then I come back home and

1084
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 5: get with Willie Z and play him the tape and

1085
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: all that ship I would hum.

1086
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 4: He'd just start and bingo. That's how we create a beat.

1087
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: He was a bad motherfucker because I'm gonna tell you

1088
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: when gangs to make the world come around you mobbing

1089
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: and it's just real cinematic, and then it just break

1090
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: down like that and it's just like, man, that's.

1091
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 5: Hard right there. That's why I always said my music.

1092
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 5: I always wanted that element, that cinemat like, oh man,

1093
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 5: these niggas just killed up, or you know, or or

1094
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 5: the whole ship just blew up, or that part where

1095
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 5: you know the niggas is finna come killed and they

1096
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 5: sneaking in and that music is and you're like, oh,

1097
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 5: somebody about to get fucked.

1098
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: It sounds real.

1099
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: That's my ship.

1100
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: And then the piano come in. This nigga come on,

1101
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: she at confidence in the house, and it's like that's

1102
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: this shi, it's a whole ship.

1103
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 5: So I wanted my ship, you know, I didn't, like

1104
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 5: I said, I didn't want niggas riding around. Not to

1105
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 5: say it, but I didn't want niggas riding around happy

1106
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 5: to my ship like nigga, I don't that, nigga.

1107
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 4: Now, this is not for you. This is this music

1108
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: is not for you.

1109
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: And I used to tell you niggas got fucked off

1110
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: listening to some MC.

1111
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 5: When I go to towns and niggas is still you

1112
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 5: know them towns, the Cleveland's, the Detroit's, the Chicagos, the

1113
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 5: mofu like nigga, not.

1114
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: Know experimental, That's what I love about it.

1115
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 4: You niggas do that, nigga.

1116
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 5: Nigga, you used to man, we went on, but niggas

1117
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 5: tell me all the time, we did plenty of dirt

1118
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 5: off your motherfucking tape. We did plenty of dirt, nigga,

1119
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 5: off of your tape. Nigga, your tape got me. Nigga, Man,

1120
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: you just do not know what we used to do

1121
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 5: off that music to drive by.

1122
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and then when your name got MC in it,

1123
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: because I know I come to day. If you've got

1124
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: that MC in your name, that means you are rapping, motherfucker.

1125
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 5: Well that's because you know, we prided ourselves back then

1126
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: on that the DJ and the MC. Uh You know

1127
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 5: my era was was that uh D, the DJ, the

1128
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 5: M C MC this MC. Why you see a lot

1129
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 5: of niggas from my area with MC and the MC

1130
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 5: shan mc ran you know, young MC.

1131
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. MC eight.

1132
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 5: We prided ourselves on that MC because use that mean you,

1133
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 5: That meant you knew how to move the crowd. That

1134
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 5: meant you was the microphone, the master of ceremony. You know,

1135
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: that's that mic feel.

1136
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: Back in the days, your hood had to like sanction

1137
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: you to just wrap everybody. Back in them days, couldn't rap.

1138
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: You would have people that would rap niggas to tell you, nah, chill,

1139
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: that ain't for you. Back in them times, like the hood,

1140
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: I felt like we selected certain artists like some cats.

1141
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: So you had trying to come out the apartment trying

1142
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: to rhyme, and y'all shut them down.

1143
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 5: I think back in our I think back in our days,

1144
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 5: niggas looked at that like, oh no, nigga, because it

1145
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 5: was like nigga, you right here in the hood with me.

1146
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 5: You go through the same experiences. But niggas just like nigga,

1147
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 5: that's a gift. Oh yeah, said there was booboo, Like, man,

1148
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 5: that ship tread right. Niggas who knew they shouldn't be rapping,

1149
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: like you had your certain motherfuckers who thought they could

1150
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 5: pick up the mic. But then niggas who you had

1151
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 5: regular niggas Like, Man, I don't know how y'all do

1152
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 5: that shit. I couldn't do that shit for nothing.

1153
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the whole m seeing thing that they is

1154
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: so different like, and I'm it's old now, but the

1155
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: Drake and Kendrick battle right, that shit got almost to

1156
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: the point to where it was overkilled at the wild

1157
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: I was like, it's Dot as my man. I love

1158
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: k out, but I was like, man, I don't want

1159
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: to hear no more records, yeah, cause it's like they

1160
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: was just coming back and forth so quick. Man, you

1161
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: never even got a chance to breathe on them.

1162
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first I never seen a battle

1163
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: keep rolling over like that. That was crazy.

1164
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: And you fuck with that on some shit diggas.

1165
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, yeah we did. We did a joint for

1166
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: the Homoe consequence put us on the record back in

1167
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: the days, you know what I'm saying. This was when

1168
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: dot was first getting getting started. Yeah, that's crazy. You

1169
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: reminded me. Yeah, I mean dot all the song together.

1170
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, got to do my research.

1171
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 5: But then I think, man, and then back in our era, man,

1172
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 5: it seemed like dis and was more fun because you

1173
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 5: anticipated a fun, nice record you give me. I think

1174
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: with Drake and Kendrick Battle Man, it got to the

1175
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 5: point to where Niggas.

1176
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: Was like, damn, my brain hurt, like I'm tired.

1177
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 5: Of motherfucker like nigger like you going to class for

1178
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 5: motherfucking regular math and the nigga threw some other fucking

1179
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 5: calculus in front of you, and Niggas opened the book

1180
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 5: and was.

1181
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: Like enjoyed it, though I ain't gonna front. I think

1182
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: it was the Illis battle ever, you know what I mean.

1183
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: I was alive and what.

1184
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: Really tripped me off for you know how you get

1185
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: to see a dude kind of fulfill his dream our

1186
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: knew duck. Man, I'm gonna tell you a story about

1187
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: Kok and you can't dispute this duck. You remember how

1188
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: we used to wear the dope she and Gabana shades

1189
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: like back in the two thousand and threes, and I'm

1190
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: real cool with punching top. You know they over the

1191
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: spot in Carson. I left my sun glasses over there,

1192
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: and I paid like twelve hundred dollars for them glasses.

1193
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: So I'm like, fuck, I left my glasses because you know,

1194
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: if you leave your glasses in the studio, some nigga

1195
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: go wind up wearing the motherfuckers.

1196
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 4: Why ain't the motherfucker's stole.

1197
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I see kadot he in the studio, maybe

1198
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: like they win somewhere. I think they win the road

1199
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 3: with game or something. He come back, I come back.

1200
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: I see him with my glasses. Them motherfuckers is all

1201
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: scratched up and everything, and I'm like, man, what you

1202
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: do to my glasses? Bro on my bad? And then

1203
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: I remember, I just remember funny stuff with Doc, like

1204
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: Dot wouldn't have no belt and he'd be using his

1205
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: shoe string. And I say, man, now that motherfucker go

1206
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: buy any gook she belt, every gookie melt and the

1207
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: motherfucking them all.

1208
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: He won't, don't give a fuck. He just rocket shotring.

1209
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: But I always knew that nigga was nice.

1210
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, now he's super nice.

1211
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: I always knew he was nice, though, Yeah.

1212
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: He's super nice. I mean shit, I mean, you know

1213
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: that's what this shit is all about. Man, I mean,

1214
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: sparring was how we came up. Like I was saying earlier,

1215
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: like back in the day, it's only be somebody from

1216
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: the hood, Like the hood maybe had one two people

1217
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: back in the days that somebody pull up talking about

1218
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: they gonna rhyme. I was definitely one of the people, like, oh, word,

1219
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: y'all think y'all got somebody nice? Oh yeah, look go

1220
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: get rocked, get rocked.

1221
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 3: Oh so your people put you up against other people?

1222
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, or we go to other hoods and shit like that.

1223
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: You're like, yo, y'all think y'all got niggas to get busy?

1224
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: I cool.

1225
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: We go over there and you know, and clean them

1226
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: niggas up.

1227
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: And that's how.

1228
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: That's how you make your name back in the day.

1229
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 5: That's what I used to do in high school. Used

1230
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 5: to go to other schools and battle niggas.

1231
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 4: That's how.

1232
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 5: That's how me and Snoop battled each other at the

1233
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: park one day in high school.

1234
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, I used to just go around. We should

1235
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: just go around battling niggas.

1236
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Won that battle won that one.

1237
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 5: I couldn't say. We was both We both got down

1238
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 5: and chill was my beat box. So yeah, we used

1239
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 5: to go around just battling niggas, and.

1240
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: Snoop was just out there, just Snoop had freestyles like

1241
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: a motherfucker.

1242
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 4: Definitely.

1243
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: Luke used to walk around probably high school with a

1244
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: ghetto blaster. Well you know the big boom boxes, the

1245
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: big boom boxes like radio raheen.

1246
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had me one too. Nigga, a little sonic nigga,

1247
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 5: a little son with the lights and shit on them

1248
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 5: lights on that money. I had a little sonic man.

1249
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 5: I went through all them little phases man with I

1250
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 5: would get the because they wasn't playing a lot of

1251
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 5: hip hop on the radio, but they started getting a

1252
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 5: little specialty shows on Friday night and Saturday night.

1253
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: That's when you were taking That's how I used to

1254
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: make my tapes. I used to listen to the end

1255
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: of the radio station of college radio stations and make tapes.

1256
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: And that's how I ended up hanging out with like

1257
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the uh you know, a lot of

1258
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: the older a lot of the older brothers. And she

1259
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: used to you know, bring me on like missions going

1260
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: out the Harlem and ship like that. So I saw

1261
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: a lot young because I would make them tapes. It's

1262
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: like then we gotta bring rock rocked and stayed up

1263
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: and made them damn tapes. So you want to ride

1264
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: around and hear the new ship. I had to tape man.

1265
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: So since you were a real lyricist, Man who is

1266
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: the illest ever to come out of him?

1267
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: Instead him stack out of him? Stad, I gotta say Prodigy, Man.

1268
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: Got Prodigy was underrated man Like, yeah, he was hard man.

1269
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: It was at one time. At one time, Man motherfuckers

1270
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: was talking about him like he was the best rapper.

1271
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: There was an era when p was top dog.

1272
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 3: I tried to tell people that it was rhymes man.

1273
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.

1274
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: He had an errow where he was top dog.

1275
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: Joe Mob Deep. You know what, Dog, I'm gonna tell

1276
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 3: you that's who your antithesis is. CMW and Mob Deep

1277
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: because both of y'all was dark as hell. A CMW

1278
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: Mob album would have been hard. That'd have been so

1279
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 3: motherfucking hard, would have it?

1280
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 5: You do?

1281
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1282
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: I met them doing my my first at at five

1283
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: ten studios. I met them when I was in junior

1284
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: high school. I was in junior high school and one

1285
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: of the one of the Bomb Squad Underlink members. He

1286
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: used to make beats. Uh. He still make bea shout

1287
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: out to sleep Kurt when young, but he used to

1288
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: let us come to the studio and make make music.

1289
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: So one day after school we went to five ten

1290
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: studios and I session ended up getting interrupted by marb Deep.

1291
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: This is what I think. They was poetical profits at

1292
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: the time.

1293
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: That's when the yeah, I had a deal.

1294
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember me and my boy we junior high school.

1295
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: We like how these niggas got a record. We had

1296
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: no idea how to get a record deal, but they

1297
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: had a record deal. I remember they had New Jordan's

1298
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: on and and you know what I'm saying, they was chilling.

1299
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: You could tell like you want to be signed?

1300
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: Did you want to be signed the def jam?

1301
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: Hell? I mean back in the days, have you that

1302
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: would everybody?

1303
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1304
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that of cold chilling, that'd have been beautiful.

1305
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 5: That was nigga. I don't give funk where you was, nigga.

1306
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 5: If you was a them, see back in them times,

1307
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 5: your dream was to be signed to Deck. Come on, man,

1308
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 5: niggas had public enemy l L.

1309
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: Did you ever have an opportunity to sign the dip jam?

1310
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: No?

1311
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 4: I never had, nig because I signed to Sony and

1312
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 4: once I was with Sony. That was it.

1313
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 5: I felt like ship, who can get bigger than Michael Jacks.

1314
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 5: I'm on the label with Michael Shade and Pearl Jam Nigga.

1315
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 5: I felt nigga, we got bread over here. So I

1316
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 5: felt like nigga. But they never experienced with hip hop.

1317
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 5: They didn't know what the fuck to do with you

1318
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 5: was profitable for them because y'all, but yeahs far three

1319
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 5: straight to three three straight gold albums.

1320
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 4: No, we well, probably, I don't know. I know our

1321
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 4: first album.

1322
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 5: That was with Capital though, and we, like you said,

1323
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 5: we got caught up in that that label Fold and Ship.

1324
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 5: So our first album, It's a comptant thing, was one

1325
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 5: of those situations where the record came out right when

1326
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 5: they was like basically while they was closing the doors,

1327
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 5: the boxes was going out the back door, you feel me,

1328
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 5: and so there was no body left to promote the record.

1329
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 5: And it's still like, nigga, I think my first record,

1330
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 5: our first record is Compeds Most Wanted sold about two

1331
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 5: hundred and something thousand copies, So that made that made epic,

1332
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 5: go shit, these niggas can do two fifties any nigga.

1333
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 5: We didn't have nothing I had. I had one video

1334
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 5: One Time got for them up.

1335
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 3: That was a big record out here though.

1336
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 4: Well out here, it definitely was.

1337
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 5: Uh so with that delayeled Epic was like shit, but

1338
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 5: they didn't know what to do with hip hop. They

1339
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: was trying, but you still got a bunch of motherfuckers

1340
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 5: who ain't experienced in hip hop trying to run a

1341
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 5: hip hop label.

1342
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well right now, you the boss of your own shit, righte.

1343
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: No major distribution in the background and nothing.

1344
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I got distribution now, you know what I'm saying. Now,

1345
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm rocking with Equity, So yeah, I did a situation

1346
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: with Equity, so they doing my distribution.

1347
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: That's good. That's Jay and all them, right, Jay and

1348
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: them most shit. Yeah that's some good ship. But you

1349
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 3: get to run your own plays now.

1350
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm still my own label, you know what I'm saying.

1351
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: We call all the shots, and you know it's still

1352
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: the same thing. We just have more help now, right, Yeah,

1353
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: we got a little help now, but still everything. How

1354
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to spend budgets and how I want to

1355
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: market and promote, that's all on me. I call all

1356
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: of the shots.

1357
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: That's what we're looking to do now with this next album,

1358
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: looking for the right situation to where you can have

1359
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: because you need to me when you artists of y'all caliber, especially,

1360
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: you need somebody on the inside the label that's gonna

1361
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,959
Speaker 3: do a little work. Not necessarily to run the whole

1362
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: play because that's why you got brothers like me and

1363
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: dough Boy and stuff like that to go, you know,

1364
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: run little other plays. But you need somebody up in

1365
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 3: there to make sure. Let's make sure he get this playlist,

1366
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: and let's make sure he get this is the song

1367
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: of the day on Apples.

1368
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: Algorithms, you feel what I'm saying, get you up in algorithms.

1369
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: You're right, and you know, get on certain things or

1370
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: you not go win. That's what I tell people. I

1371
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 3: was talking to one of my homies. He was like, well,

1372
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put the next album out through his

1373
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: tune core. I said, don't do that. You go fuck

1374
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 3: that man's career up, I said, because there's no label

1375
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: services over there. All they go do is take your

1376
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 3: ninety nine dollars and you need something because nowadays, with

1377
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: this streaming shit, eight might really go in the studio

1378
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: and do a song with Kendrick, But the way this

1379
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: shit or Spotify might not put the shit up, and

1380
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: you coming out with your whole campaign and they ain't

1381
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: got the shit on the platform because they're not sure

1382
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: if it's clear. Everybody's so pateaches nowadays worry about somebody

1383
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: seeing them. You need somebody can call and say, hey,

1384
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: that's legit. Let me sing you this paper off here,

1385
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, and you got this different now man it is.

1386
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you still can run it up if you

1387
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: go through one of those other side, but you still

1388
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: gotta have some type of marketing money on your own

1389
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: or have some kind of platform to make sure that

1390
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: it's noticed because they can't. You know, if you just

1391
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: going through like a tune car, distro kid or whatever,

1392
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: they not gonna make sure your ship is at the top.

1393
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: When they say new hip hop albums and things of

1394
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: that nature, you ain't gonna get none of them services.

1395
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna tell you this, tune core and then

1396
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: other people only interested in one thing. That's that thirty

1397
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 3: nine whatever you play. Oh, you got distribution out everybody.

1398
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 3: You got distribution. That shit gonna be everywhere. But when

1399
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: you were an empire or equity, even the ship, they

1400
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 3: got the video and all the mother people you gonna have.

1401
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: A chance to win differences.

1402
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 3: It's like I used to do.

1403
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: I used to upload my shit myself and all of that.

1404
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: So I do notice the difference, you know what I'm saying.

1405
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: Even though I was making some money, you know what

1406
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I also had a brand, a quality

1407
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: brand that people trust. So it wasn't like I was

1408
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: just coming in there street a new brand, new or

1409
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: stet like that. But yeah, but I was noticing, Like

1410
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 1: you know, when people you do a situation whe empire

1411
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: or equity or whatever. You know what I'm saying, these

1412
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: places now you can make sure you can muscle your

1413
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: way a little bit more up in the algorithm or

1414
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: your video play. Like take fans as if eight video play,

1415
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: it ain't no coincidence that Kendrick shit come on after

1416
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: your shit just automatically. They make sure that you get

1417
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: them spots. So when you just forget you playing something

1418
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: and then something just plays on afterwards, somebody pulled the

1419
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: play to make sure that that's what's playing next and

1420
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: got them in that algorithm. So that's what's important. To

1421
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: make sure you don't forget.

1422
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: Man, Whi's next on the horizon?

1423
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: Bro?

1424
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: What's the big move.

1425
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: My next I'm working on another project. I'm about to

1426
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: tour next month. You know, I'm just doing a lot.

1427
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm about to do a project

1428
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: with producer joint for my man Knowledge the Pirate. He's next.

1429
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: I got another artist, Great Guard, He's coming next. After that,

1430
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm producing a joint for TF And I'm pretty.

1431
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: Sure you're gonna get one on the eight album, right,

1432
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: We're gonna get that rock Mars.

1433
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking that the fact. So yeah, so we're doing that.

1434
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: I got I got a few albums that's you know

1435
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: that that I'm also working on with other producers. But yeah,

1436
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do another one with Worthy. You know,

1437
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know my producing hand

1438
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: because a lot of like with the sound that I

1439
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: that I helped bring back and pioneer, you know what

1440
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a lot of people think it's just like

1441
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: me on the mic. Now I did a lot of

1442
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: the product, the production. I'm ready. Are you ready to

1443
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: start getting my my production hand out there?

1444
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, what would you say as

1445
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: a producer that it's a lot easier nowadays?

1446
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: I would say it's definitely a lot easier for an

1447
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: unknown producer because now you can you could just hit

1448
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: somebody on social.

1449
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: Well what I mean is like as far as like

1450
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: the technical stuff, because I come from the area to

1451
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 3: where you had SB twelve hundred you might only have

1452
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: three seconds of sampling time. Yeah, and now you can go,

1453
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: like I said, to a website and get the whole

1454
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 3: stems to love having this right now, you got everything,

1455
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: all our greens, so that organ is in there that

1456
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 3: you can go snatch that if you want to.

1457
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: You can't compare the times. The stems just took it

1458
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: to a whole nother level. But you know, I started

1459
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: off with an MPC. I still use the MPC twenty

1460
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: five hundred.

1461
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: I use MPC too, but I use the one that's

1462
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 3: in the computer. And I got the live live YEP.

1463
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: I like that, man, because you get the same field,

1464
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 3: and they got them filters in there. Now they got

1465
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 3: the SB twelve hundred fifty. It's crazy. So if you

1466
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: want to run like the thing is, you get the

1467
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: al green thing. You might still want that warm sound

1468
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: on there, that warm analogue sound on there.

1469
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1470
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: I still I'm old fashioned with it. Yeah, man, still

1471
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: using that p and all the computers do everything and

1472
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: all that shit. I still use the MP I love

1473
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: the sound for show.

1474
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: Since I know you on the coach man now you

1475
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: definitely have to stop by this montherfucker again. We really

1476
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: enjoyed having you man.

1477
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: Back up on your shore and we enjoyed it new

1478
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: ship and hat getting there and cut the fuck up.

1479
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, that's a that's a must.

1480
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1481
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: Whereking the people text you on the shoulder at oh Man, you.

1482
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: Want to hit me up, just hit me up on

1483
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: Rockmarsy dot com, Rockmarsie on Instagram, YouTube, all of that.

1484
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Just tap in you know what I'm saying and then

1485
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: were used.

1486
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: That's another episode. We holliced y'all next week. Well, that

1487
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure

1488
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,040
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1489
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,800
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1490
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 3: front of your screen, subscribe to the show, leave a

1491
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 3: comment and rating. Executive producers for The Gangster Chronicles podcasts

1492
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 3: of Norman Steel Aaron M. C a Tyler, Our visual

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,080
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01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,120
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