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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it, Li. I'm on a reaction

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Speaker 2: Monday edition of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo.

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Speaker 2: He is the great z Well for three quarters and

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Speaker 2: then it's the fourth and it is one of these

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Speaker 2: things where that that is a new way for us

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Speaker 2: to lose this year. We haven't lost like that yet.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't particularly enjoyable, it was it was pretty shocking

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Speaker 2: the way that it went down in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: And now you're talking about a short week and arguably

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Speaker 2: the hottest team in football, or one of them coming

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Speaker 2: in here on Thursday. Less than ideal, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, if I had told you before

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Speaker 3: the game that Jamis was going to throw for about

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Speaker 3: four hundred yards two touchdowns, we would not turn the

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Speaker 3: football over and in fact have two takeaways from the

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Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints, you would say we won. And if

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Speaker 3: I told you, well, there was a twenty one point

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Speaker 3: spread the game, he say, oh, so we blew them out. No, not, obviously,

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Speaker 3: we came out on the short end of it. And

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Speaker 3: you know, there are a lot of things in this

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Speaker 3: game that were very disappointing. You knew coming into it

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Speaker 3: that the New Orleans Saints did not have really an

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Speaker 3: NFL wide receiver on the roster outside of Marquez Valdez Scantling,

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Speaker 3: who had joined the team but three weeks ago. He

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Speaker 3: was the big play threat. You knew their team revolved

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Speaker 3: And you knew that if you did not pressure Derek Carr,

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Speaker 3: he would make you pay. And Taysom Hill accounted for

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Speaker 3: over two hundred and two hundred yards of total offense,

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Speaker 3: three touchdowns. He looked like Jim Brown out there, seven

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Speaker 3: carries for one hundred and thirty eight yards and three scores.

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Speaker 3: He completed a pass in the game. He caught eight

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Speaker 3: passes for fifty yards. Yeah, I mean it was this

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Speaker 3: only ones who have hit that thirty ten and ten plateau.

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Speaker 3: And he looked like a hall. He looked like a

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Speaker 3: gold jacket in this game against US, and I think

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions people were very unhappy with,

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Speaker 3: you know, some of the perceived efforts at times in

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Speaker 3: this game. Just a very disappointing one. Dustin Hopkins missing

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Speaker 3: two field goals. I mean, it's a totally different game

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Speaker 3: because it was fourteen to fourteen going in the fourth.

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Speaker 3: De hop misses two field goals in the second quarter,

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Speaker 3: including one where he really missed three field goals because

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Speaker 3: he missed from thirty two and then twenty seven on

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Speaker 3: consecutive kicks, which is unfathomable when you think about how

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Speaker 3: good he was last year. It's just this seemed to

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Speaker 3: a lot of little things that added up to a loss.

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, so much was made at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of the season about the quarterback position. You're

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Speaker 3: You've got elite quarterback play in this one from Jamis Winston.

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Speaker 3: Your receivers played well, Jerry Judy's second highest receiving yards

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Speaker 3: game of his career. You know, Elijah Moore played well,

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Speaker 3: David Joku played well. We still couldn't really get the

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Speaker 4: YEP.

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Speaker 3: Now if it wasn't You could have gotten up to

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Speaker 3: because you would have kick the field goal in the

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Speaker 3: fourth quarter when you're down twenty eight fourteen, it would

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Speaker 3: have been twenty eight twenty you'd kicked field goal, had

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Speaker 3: been fine. That being said, you gave up thirty five

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Speaker 3: points to the New Orleans Saints, a team that had

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Speaker 3: not reached that since Week two of this season. You

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Speaker 3: gave up four hundred and seventy three yards of offense.

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Speaker 3: You gave up eight point two yards per play, eight

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Speaker 3: rushing on the day, two hundred and fourteen to be exact.

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Speaker 3: That's seven point six yards per carry. It's one thing

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Speaker 3: if you said, okay, the offense, you know, hasn't been

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Speaker 3: To be two and eight right now, where you are

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Speaker 3: Yet we're standing still and we're taking body blows from

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Speaker 3: Taysom Hill. And now it doesn't get any easier. Thursday

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Speaker 3: night you mentioned it hottest team in the league. Now,

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Speaker 3: the one good news is Browns of one eighth straight

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Speaker 3: on Thursday night at home, two of those over the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: And the last time though that the number one team

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Speaker 3: home with a loss.

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Speaker 2: What more can we say?

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's go to that, Let's go, let's go,

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Speaker 3: let's go.

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Speaker 2: You know, in all seriousness, I was being serious. I know, Well,

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Speaker 2: but wait, look, this is what we do. Uh you

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Speaker 2: said you said something about, uh, these little things, and

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Speaker 2: I talk about it with little kids I coach. You

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Speaker 2: can talk about it at high school and college and

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Speaker 2: all the way the National Football League. If you start

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Speaker 2: doing a bunch of little things wrong, yep, they become

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: This is now who we are. We have not scored

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Speaker 2: twenty points in a football game save for once all year.

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Speaker 2: Who else in the NFL can claim that? Is there

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Speaker 2: anybody who's worse than us when it comes to scoring

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Speaker 2: And then when when there is frustration that stacks it

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Speaker 2: manifests with what happened in the fourth And this is

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Speaker 2: the first time that I've seen some of the efforts

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Speaker 2: Things have not gone well. It's well documented, but this

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Speaker 2: was the first time that you saw kind of like,

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Speaker 2: wait a second, Delpa makes the hit on hill and

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Speaker 2: then he'll actually like, looks around, Is anyone going to

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Speaker 3: I was on the fourth down one. Yeah, And again

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Speaker 3: that's thing too. We've talked about where's the other ten?

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Speaker 3: But you've got to rap right.

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Speaker 2: But where's the other ten? His job as a safety

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Speaker 2: is to make the play. He didn't, but he slowed

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Speaker 2: him down. Where's everybody else?

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. That one wasn't even as bad

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Speaker 3: given the game script at that time, and he goes set.

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a tight end, that's right. He's a

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Speaker 3: he can just burst and be gone. And he went

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Speaker 3: you know he's running. How's that happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, so that this

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Speaker 2: is the first time that we've had this type of

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Speaker 2: calamity with effort. Yes, and so the task for Kevin

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Speaker 2: Stefanski this week and the leadership of this team, and

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the guys who are the foundation of

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Speaker 2: this team. For Miles Denzel was sensational Miles Denzel, Nick Chubb,

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Speaker 2: Joel Buttonio. The job this week is to show up

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Speaker 2: and play the role of boiler for them. We are

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Speaker 2: long past the idea of this machination to get to

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Speaker 2: what we wanted to be at the beginning. It's that's

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Speaker 2: long past. You just have to try to show up

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Speaker 2: on a Thursday night and place spoiler and.

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Speaker 3: Be accountable, be accountable. And you're one and four at

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Speaker 3: home after going eight and one at home last year,

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Speaker 3: including a win over the Steelers at home last year

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Speaker 3: when Dori and Thompson Robinson had to start and leads

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Speaker 3: you down the field and you get that field goal victory.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right. The Browns are in a position right

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Speaker 3: now that we thought was unfathomable, and that is that

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Speaker 3: season that you are hoping to in some ways do it.

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Speaker 3: If there was a down year, which has not been

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Speaker 3: the Ohio State Buckeyes. Yeah, and you say, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: let's beat them.

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Speaker 2: Just invert it. Michigan this year.

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Speaker 3: Michigan this year.

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Speaker 2: Right, their whole, their whole thing comes down to de

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Speaker 3: Twof they do, they'll feel victory. Chappier absolutely. So you've

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Speaker 3: done that with the Ravens. You need to do that

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Speaker 3: that they have built. And they won another game. I

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Speaker 3: won another game in which they did not score a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: They being the Pittsburgh Steelers six Chris Boswell field goals,

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson in the Baltimore Ravens. That's right, eighteen to sixteen.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible. They did not score a touchdown and they

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Speaker 3: playing very good defense in the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are physical.

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's making enough plays down the field. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the thing that I took away from this Saints game

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Speaker 3: And if you show up with that kind of performance

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Speaker 3: from a physicality standpoint against the Steelers, it is going

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Speaker 3: back to the opening drive. You're going against a team

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Speaker 3: in New Orleans that it allowed over five yards to

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Speaker 3: carry a running backs this season, most in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: You go for fourth and one near midfield with Nick

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Speaker 3: go for it for two. Yeah, not able to get.

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Speaker 3: I mean there were so many kind of short yardage

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Speaker 3: of the physical outcome that you this is a lunch

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Speaker 3: You know that we all know that that's just the

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Speaker 3: way they play. That is a physical brand of football,

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Speaker 3: and the Browns have got to be ready to match

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Speaker 3: that physicality. Quite frankly, they owe it to themselves and

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Speaker 3: they owe it to the fans to go out there

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Speaker 3: on Thursday night at home on national TV. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the last time we were on Thursday night at home

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Speaker 3: on national television was the Browns and the Jets. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we clinched the playoffs and it was upourk he.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite memories as being a part

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Speaker 3: favorite games that I've ever called it was Euphoric. It

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Speaker 3: was a party in the city that wasn't even twelve

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Speaker 2: It feels like a decade ago, honestly, the way this

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Speaker 3: The hof hadn't even gone to Munich, No, And to

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Speaker 3: But there still is a job to do, and you

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Speaker 3: have an opportunity on a national stage to show your heart,

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Speaker 3: your fortitude and try to topple you know, the top

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Speaker 3: Correct, I think you feel good about him. In fact,

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Speaker 3: In fact, I know he does. He's shown you everything

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Speaker 2: All right, Let me do one thing fun. How was

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Speaker 3: Commander's Palace excellent. Turtle soup.

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Speaker 3: We were not on a choose your own adventure? Were

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Speaker 3: But again, like everything there is just so heavy, heavy,

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Speaker 3: No, it was a fixed menu. It was a big group.

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Speaker 3: to getana cream pie? And how was that didn't happen?

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Speaker 3: don't have it anymore. We moved to our other restaurant,

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Speaker 3: which is a five minute walk away, called them no kitchens, clothes,

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Speaker 2: You got you got one job, Emerald barbecue, shrimp, banana

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Speaker 2: How was that? Do you have a good meal there?

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Speaker 4: What did you get?

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Speaker 2: Pork cheek, pork belly, how'd it go?

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Speaker 5: You didn't go, No, I didn't go. It was two minutes,

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Speaker 5: We went to uh, Mulatt's, Mulatt's. What's that Cajun restaurant?

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Speaker 2: All lot a second, Just so I'm clear, you went

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Speaker 2: You could have said, yeah, I know, No, Hey, what

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I know that place, don't go there.

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Speaker 3: There were a million places literally within two blocks of

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Speaker 3: by way. I will say this for commanders past. One

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Speaker 5: You're glad to a host of problems.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. There were comments that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe they would explain, like Siciliano yesterday was like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I won't be drinking anytimes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good job out of them.

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Speaker 3: Great, I loved it. I thrived.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, baby, I was with a group the youngsters. They

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Speaker 5: wanted to hit a little bourbon street Connor's birthday. It

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Speaker 5: I'm not going like that's not a good look.

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Speaker 2: It's a fine look. Just say I'll meet you down there.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go have a real meal and then i'll

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Speaker 5: Oh we had Gator bytes. Told you, I told you

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Speaker 5: we had some Gator bites. They were delightful.

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Speaker 2: It tastes like Gizzard chew. He like Gizzard.

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Speaker 3: I think him his performance is more disappointing than Emeral,

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Speaker 2: I just I think you did like the like if

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Speaker 5: It just kind of happened.

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Speaker 2: And what I recommended wasn't even bougie.

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Speaker 5: But I know at all, I know, I'm not proud

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Speaker 3: I knew that he was off from Friday night. I

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Speaker 3: Was you were there, dub That's right. I demanded an apology.

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Speaker 2: By the way, as deserved.

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Speaker 3: No, but meant one of Gibbet's friends, and he said

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Speaker 5: My friend sends me a text, Gibby, where are you

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Speaker 2: I said, it's a tough week for you your family,

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Speaker 5: Yeah not true, number one.

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Speaker 3: he is also known as Pittsburgh Pipa. So this is

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Speaker 2: You can be one over with nachos.

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Speaker 3: You have you have declared their nachos to be the

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Speaker 5: Of the world. Yesterday it was a strong, strong, strong contender.

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Speaker 3: So yesterday the nachos for the strong contender. You got

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: And there was they had taken they had taken some

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Speaker 5: But that's not.

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Speaker 3: They This is almost as good as Pittsburgh's. So Pittsburgh people. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Not a big week. We're gonna kick their ass on Thursday.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Listen. You can't talk like that first of our show,

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Speaker 3: I know. Just because this guys you're eight and two,

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Speaker 2: Around like we're not having that.

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Speaker 3: How could he say that?

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Speaker 2: It's outrageous.

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Speaker 3: We have kids documentation of this outrageous What was it?

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Speaker 3: We're gonna kick your booty, which is what Jameis Winston said,

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Speaker 3: I think at the.

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Speaker 2: Problem anything we did say we James playing great.

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Speaker 3: Playing greats. He's playing great, yes.

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Speaker 2: And he's given your offensive chance, and he's allowing for uh,

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Speaker 2: He's allowing for a true evaluation of a lot of

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Speaker 3: good news is three of those are under contract for

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Speaker 3: next year. And Elijah Moore wants to stay here. So

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Speaker 3: if you wanted to stay here, you could feel pretty

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Speaker 3: good about that you had and Jamari Thrash to the

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Speaker 3: mix as well, and you know, you could feel pretty

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Speaker 3: good about where you're at in that room. I still

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Speaker 3: think at some point if you you've got to played

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Speaker 3: each other, or maybe you're saying we.

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Speaker 2: Already, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I liked Jamis is making us. That was fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: It is much more entertaining to watch a loss in

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Speaker 3: which you're offensively competent or fun even. And I think

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Speaker 3: we were, you know, the touchdown throw to and run

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Speaker 3: to Jude who was great. And then the touchdown throw

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Speaker 3: to Elijah Moore was incredible. The catch was incredible. It

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Speaker 3: was almost a little Santonio Holmes esque from the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl win for Gibbet's favorite team over the Cardinals that year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're getting that is good. What you're getting there is good.

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Speaker 3: What's I think what this revealed is the issues on

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Speaker 3: the defensive side are are well? They stunning.

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Speaker 2: They came quick too, because it was, you know, stunning.

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Speaker 2: It was I think the fourth quarter. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: haven't we haven't had one of these since Dallas. Right,

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Speaker 2: is pretty good, but we also put him in a

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Speaker 2: lot of bets. Guess what you also had again?

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Speaker 3: Special teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're a toe away from giving up the

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Speaker 3: second punt return touchdown of the year. You've already given

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Speaker 3: up a kick return touchdown. That one directly led to

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. They ended up scoring on that drive, you know,

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Speaker 3: and Corey got just enough of him to get him

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Speaker 3: out of bounds. But you know, sometimes I think, don't

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Speaker 3: leave that to chance, like, just chuck him out of bounds. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just very it's very disappointing. What's going on on

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Speaker 3: this on this defense right now. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: any other way to to say it. Unfortunately. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and there were things that you saw at times that

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Speaker 3: were very, very troubling in terms of you know what, effort, positioning.

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Speaker 3: A lot of things were there.

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Speaker 4: M j.

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Speaker 3: Emerson is starting to play good football again. He and

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Speaker 3: Denzel are playing. I think Denzel's playing all first team

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Speaker 3: All Pro level.

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Speaker 2: I hope that our results don't impact how he's viewed

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Speaker 2: from an all Pro perspective.

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Speaker 3: Should be his first first team All Pro.

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Speaker 2: He should be an All Pro the way that it's gone.

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Speaker 3: Listen, and you're going to get a team now on

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Speaker 3: Thursday night that is not afraid to throw the ball

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Speaker 3: down the field. Russell Wilson if he's done anything while,

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Speaker 3: let's get the ball down the field to Pickens. And

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Speaker 3: you know, Mike Williams obviously with the game winner two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago, you're going to be tested. But our pressure

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Speaker 3: stats in this game were outrageous. We had eleven total

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Speaker 3: pressures in the game.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Carr was just easy breezy in there and he shredded us. Yeah. Yeah, disappointing, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 6: Right, injury front on, that's a fractured fibula, you know,

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Speaker 6: very disappointed for the young man that will require surgery.

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Speaker 7: We'll support him throughout that rehab other stuff.

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Speaker 6: Injury wise, Jeff Swam has a concussion, so he's in

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Speaker 6: the protocol.

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Speaker 7: He will be out this week.

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Speaker 6: Denzel Ward has rib and ankle injuries. He'll be day

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Speaker 6: to day. Greg News some shoulder injury. He'll be day

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Speaker 6: to day. As you know, not practicing today on this

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Speaker 6: short week. So we'll have some injury updates for you

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Speaker 6: as we get going. You know, these Thursday night games

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Speaker 6: don't allow you really to spend much time thinking about

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Speaker 6: the previous one. You got to get get on the

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Speaker 6: next opponent. Understand what they're about as a team. Offense, defense,

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Speaker 6: special teams, all those things. So we need to lock

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Speaker 6: in this week versus a division opponent. Obviously yesterday, like

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Speaker 6: we talked about after the game, very disappointing. Disappointing go

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Speaker 6: into the fourth quarter with a chance and then not

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Speaker 6: finish that game. And we all sharing it's it's an offense, defense,

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Speaker 6: special teams, players and coaches type of things, so we

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Speaker 6: all sharing it. We have to look at all those

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Speaker 6: things and go back to how you win games in

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Speaker 6: this league and correct those things starting this week so

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Speaker 6: you can go out and find a way to win

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Speaker 6: versus a good Steelers team.

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Speaker 7: But with that, I'll take any questions.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Kevin, you mentioned you know it's a team effort,

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Speaker 8: but you're so good on special teams and defense last

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Speaker 8: year and haven't been able to duplicate that this year.

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Speaker 8: What do you think the issues have been?

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Speaker 6: Well, I would first thing I'd say is every year

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Speaker 6: stands on its own merit, and you don't take previous

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Speaker 6: years with you because teams just you're different. And that's

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Speaker 6: the truth. We have high standards for our entire team.

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Speaker 6: We certainly have high standards for our defense, for our

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Speaker 6: special teams.

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Speaker 7: We have played better.

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Speaker 6: There are things that we know we can improve and

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Speaker 6: it's a combination of a lot of things, Scott that

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Speaker 6: we're committed to getting fixed.

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Speaker 8: And when you went back and watch a film, what

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Speaker 8: did you think of the effort?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought we didn't play well enough to win

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Speaker 7: is really what I saw.

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Speaker 8: But did the effort bother you? I know, you know

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Speaker 8: people question that do you give twenty points in the

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Speaker 8: fourth quarter? A couple of long runs. Did you have

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Speaker 8: any issue with the effort?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we got out executed a couple of

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Speaker 6: times where we just didn't do our job in some moments.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, with jwand out and obviously this is such

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Speaker 9: an important position when you're going against the Steelers, do

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Speaker 9: you think there is a chance that Jed might be

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Speaker 9: able to play? And can you kind of take us

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Speaker 9: through how that went because he was full on the

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Speaker 9: injury report all week, So how did that go down?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll work through that this week to see Mary

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Speaker 6: Kay if Jed can make it to Thursday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: he was full, still feeling that injury, so just felt

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Speaker 6: like it was best to get him some more treatment

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Speaker 6: on that over the weekend.

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Speaker 9: And do you feel like if he can get out

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Speaker 9: there that maybe he would be your best option to

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Speaker 9: place to one this weekend.

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Speaker 7: We'll see how it goes over the next couple days.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, I want to ask you about the Denzel specifically,

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Speaker 3: just you've been.

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Speaker 7: Around him a while.

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Speaker 8: How is this?

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Speaker 3: Is he playing his best football right now?

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Speaker 2: In your mind?

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Speaker 6: Played really well over the time I've been with him,

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Speaker 6: certainly played really well yesterday, making game changing plays, and

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Speaker 6: that's one of the things. As you guys know, we've

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Speaker 6: talked about taking the ball away and those are two

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Speaker 6: examples of him taking that away, going up and getting

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Speaker 6: on the interception, ripping it out on the fumble. So

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Speaker 6: h he certainly is playing at a high level.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Kevin, Wanthorne Hill only played about twenty three snaps.

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Speaker 10: I believe was that a coaching decision and the decision

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Speaker 10: twenty playing that much?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're rotating Ronnie and Wan in that game.

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Speaker 6: Just you know, we have a lot of guys that

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Speaker 6: we like at that position, so felt like that was

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Speaker 6: the right thing to do.

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Speaker 10: Okay, So I guess my follow up is will you

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Speaker 10: I guess, will that starting spot still kind of be

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Speaker 10: in flux or be under consideration?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think we're yeah, with ron being healthy and obviously

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Speaker 6: there's been different points where Wan hasn't been healthy. So

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Speaker 6: trying to get both of those guys out there as much.

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Speaker 4: As we can.

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Speaker 11: Kevin, we've asked you guys about things that the players

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Speaker 11: can do to clean things up and execute better, like

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Speaker 11: reducing those penalties, getting takeaways, things like that. As coaches

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Speaker 11: and your coaching staff, what are some of those things

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Speaker 11: that you guys can do to do what you're trying

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Speaker 11: to do and be better.

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Speaker 6: I think it goes back to we want to put

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Speaker 6: our guys in position to make place.

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Speaker 4: Cam.

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Speaker 6: I think it's as simple as that. Sometimes in football,

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Speaker 6: where our job is to make sure our guys are

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Speaker 6: set up for success. So whether it's making sure a

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Speaker 6: guy gets a one on one in a blitz or

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Speaker 6: or getting a guy open on a pass route, that's

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Speaker 6: that's what we're constantly trying to do, is put our

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Speaker 6: guys in position to go make place.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Kevin, I notice that Mike Vrabel's on the sideline

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Speaker 12: yesterday little your piece of his ear and earlier you

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Speaker 12: told us that he willn't be involved in game days.

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Speaker 12: So what's going on there? Has something changed to what No?

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Speaker 7: I mean?

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Speaker 6: Rabes is involved in a lot of what we do.

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Speaker 6: He's out there on home games. He was able to

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Speaker 6: come to this one. He's listening in on the conversations

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Speaker 6: with us. He's a great resource for me game day

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Speaker 6: Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 7: So he will continue to do that.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Kevin, just to follow up on the safety's question,

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Speaker 13: when you say that rotating those guys at that spot

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Speaker 13: is the best thing to do, Like, do you mean

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Speaker 13: it's the best thing to do to give you a

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Speaker 13: chance to win? Or is it a health thing? Like

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Speaker 13: what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 6: I guess yeah, I think both of those guys have

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Speaker 6: had injuries, so I think it makes sense to rotate them.

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Speaker 6: From that perspective, both those guys have made plays for us,

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Speaker 6: so it's an opportunity to get to get Ronnie out

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Speaker 6: there and get him some reps as well.

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Speaker 13: And then just with Dewan, I mean losing him now.

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Speaker 13: I guess how difficult does that make it to evaluate

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Speaker 13: what he did on that left side of the line

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Speaker 13: in such a small sample size.

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Speaker 6: I think it's an imperfect thing obviously when you're talking

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Speaker 6: about that type of sample size. But we had plenty

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Speaker 6: of practices there, we had game reps there. It certainly

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Speaker 6: allows you to at the end of the season say, Okay,

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Speaker 6: this is what he did on the right side, this

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Speaker 6: is what he did on the left side.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Kevin, you've unfortunately had to use disappointing a lot

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Speaker 14: this year and talk about making corrections. The results say

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Speaker 14: the corrections aren't showing up on the field. My question

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Speaker 14: is why do you think that is? And do you

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Speaker 14: have the attention that you require as a coach from

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Speaker 14: this locker room right now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when you're where our record is, Darryl,

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Speaker 6: you're obviously disappointed. Players, coaches, we all sharing that. My

665
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Speaker 6: focus is really finding a way to get a win

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Speaker 6: this week. Anything else taken away from that, I really

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Speaker 6: can't speak to it.

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Speaker 14: And the inability to score really stands out this season.

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Speaker 14: You know, yesterday Jamis throws for a nearly four hundred yards,

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Speaker 14: two touchdowns, takes care of the football, you only get

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Speaker 14: fourteen points out of that. How do you fix that

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Speaker 14: going into a short week here against a very formidable

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Speaker 14: and stingy Steeler defense.

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's always, again a combination of things,

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Speaker 6: but it's going to be incumbent upon our players. Our

676
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: coaches give these guys a plan that they can go execute,

677
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Speaker 6: and typically when you execute, when you do your job,

678
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 6: that's where those points come from. That's where those third

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00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: down conversions come from, points in the red zone, all

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Speaker 6: those things. Very simply give our guys a plan and

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Speaker 6: then execute the plan.

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Speaker 8: It's just as one of the Procobawl's oldest rivalries.

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Speaker 13: How unique is the Browns rivalry with the Steelers and

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Speaker 13: how much are looking forward to getting back in front

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Speaker 13: of the home crowd on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: This is a great division, as you know with the

688
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Speaker 6: AFC North, and everybody knows each other so well, and

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Speaker 6: when you have cities and such close proximity, I think

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Speaker 6: that adds to the rivalries because there's so many people

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Speaker 6: that grew up around here, grew up around Pittsburgh obviously

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Speaker 6: interact with each other throughout the year, so it makes

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Speaker 6: it special. You know, being down at our stadium the

694
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Speaker 6: last division game was special. I'd expect nothing but the same,

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Speaker 6: especially in the setting of a Thursday night.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering what is the feedback or the

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Speaker 9: messaging that you're getting from management and ownership during these

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Speaker 9: tough times.

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Speaker 6: I think all of us really goes back to Mary Kay.

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Speaker 6: We all sharing this. Nobody's happy being where our record is,

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Speaker 6: but I know all of our focus is on this

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Speaker 6: game and finding a way to get a win in

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Speaker 6: this game.

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Speaker 8: Kevin, is there any thought to bringing in another kicker?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 8: Okay? And why did Nick only play I think it

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Speaker 8: was twenty two snaps yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Just still having a plan with these guys, bringing them back,

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Speaker 6: making sure that we're using both guys.

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Speaker 8: Did Thursday the fact that it's a quick turnaround have

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Speaker 8: any impact there?

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Speaker 4: It did?

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Speaker 12: I just wanted to ask another one about Dustin Hopkins.

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Speaker 12: Have you noticed anything about why he's having more difficulty

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Speaker 12: kicking this year.

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Speaker 6: I think there's always things that whether the kicker, the

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Speaker 6: left card, the safety, it doesn't matter. I think there's

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Speaker 6: always technique that we can work on, work through, get

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Speaker 6: better at. There's things that he wants to do. Certainly

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Speaker 6: we expect him to make those kicks. He expects himself

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Speaker 6: to make those kicks. I've seen him make those kicks.

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Speaker 7: He's been doing this for a very long time.

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Speaker 6: But it's still technique and he's always going to be

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Speaker 6: making sure that he's sharpening his technique if you will,

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Speaker 6: and he'll continue to do that for us.

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Speaker 2: NFL news of yesterday, not necessarily all the games, but

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Speaker 2: just the news today. The job are moving on from

747
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Dan Dimes, so they are. He is finding the bench

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Speaker 2: and it will be Tommy DeVito from here on out

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Speaker 2: at quarterback for New York, which quite honestly, I think

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Speaker 2: is kind of brilliant. It's a perfect cover.

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Speaker 3: Well, not only you realize they paid five million dollars

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Speaker 3: for Drew Lock to be their backup quarterback, but they're

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Speaker 3: not starting him.

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Speaker 2: Smart and you know why, yeah, why, Well, I assume

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Speaker 2: it's because they want to make sure they go too

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Speaker 2: in whatever's they pick one.

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Speaker 3: Well, and Drew Locke's contract has all these playtime incentives,

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Speaker 3: so they're basically being like, we're not paying another dime

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Speaker 3: for this season.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's smart too.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing though, if you think about it,

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Speaker 3: since they're not ever going to play Drew Lock, they

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Speaker 3: could have used that five million dollars with say.

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Speaker 2: Which John Mara just standing in that room. I just

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Speaker 2: want it on the record, he's our most popular player.

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Speaker 3: By the way. I know you don't meddle, but like

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Speaker 3: you're the owner, just metal, metal metal.

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Speaker 2: My gut feeling is we shouldn't let Saquon go to Philly. Yes, no,

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Speaker 2: maybe don't do that.

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Speaker 5: Not let the face of the franchise go to the

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Speaker 5: go to the rival.

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Speaker 2: Man, it is obviously not a good time for for

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Speaker 2: We're struggling and Cincinnati losing one score games to good teams.

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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: It's like six times they fought back but McPherson can't

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00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: hit field goals and and the Chargers are really good.

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Speaker 2: And here's the deal. They're really good. Harbaugh, Harbaugh's accountability,

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Speaker 2: all of.

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Speaker 3: It, it all works.

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Speaker 2: He's great. Her Burrow has been unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Burrow has been unbelievab. They are they are.

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Speaker 2: Wasting a Burrow MVP season. That's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Part of me thinks it's like he's going to get

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Speaker 3: he gets to put up good numbers, but then because

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Speaker 3: of his pre game outfits, that teams just like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: His You know what it reminds me of a little

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Speaker 2: bit from their perspective. What it reminds me a little

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Speaker 2: bit of when Lebron was here the first time and

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Speaker 2: he made that one run to the finals and then yeah,

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00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: and then looked around and like, where where is everybody?

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00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: Where's everybody else? And I think that's going to happen

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00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: this year. Cincinnati's in for one hell of an offseason

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Speaker 2: because they're gonna lose obviously, they'll lose U. T. Higgins

794
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: and they're gonna have paid They're gonna have a very

795
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: a very brutal negotiation with Jamar Chase because he is

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00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: not pleased, because he felt he was betrayed and lied

797
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: to this summer and they said they'd take care of

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00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: him and then they didn't. So and he's putting up

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Speaker 2: a great year and now all of a sudden they're

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Speaker 2: going to lose Higgins for nothing. And now you got

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Speaker 2: to find a way to pay Jamar Chase. And he's

802
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: not giving him any discount, like he's going to have

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00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: every penny justin. Jefferson got yep, like that's happening. So

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00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: that's a that's a mess on that side of things.

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00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: So when you have Joe Burrow, its hey.

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Speaker 2: You have a franchise quarterback build around him, Yeah, i'd be.

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00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: It's there's three there's four teams in the AFC. There's

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: gonna end up being four teams for one spot, and

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: it's Denver, Indie, Miami, and Cincinnati. It's those four for

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00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: one spot for the seven spot. Denver. So right now,

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Speaker 2: you're not like the Ravens are seven and four, you're

812
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Speaker 2: not catching them. The Chargers are seven three, you're not

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Speaker 2: catching them. So it's Denver's at six and five, Indies

814
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: at five and six, Miami's at four and six. Miami

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Speaker 2: has the game in hand, which is kind of nice.

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Speaker 2: And then Cincinnati's four and seven. Everybody else is done. Jets,

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Speaker 2: Pats Us Titans. That that's done. So it's it's those

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Speaker 2: four teams for one.

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00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: So if you look at it here, let's do a

820
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: little quick schedule game. Why not go ahead?

821
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Which you what's showing you want to do?

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Speaker 3: Here we go Denver.

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Speaker 2: You got Denver's. I'll pull up to Indies. Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: give me Denver. You're right down Denver.

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Speaker 3: Which one you me pulling up at Las Vegas home,

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Speaker 3: Browns Bye week home, Colts at Chargers at Cincinnati home,

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Speaker 3: Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Here's Indies, okay, Lions at home on Thanksgiving at Patriots at.

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Speaker 3: Lions at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Lions. Oh no, yeah, Now it says verse Lions

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Speaker 2: on eleven, twenty four. Oh, that's next Sunday. That's next Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Next Sunday, hosting I'm sorry, hosting Lions used to the

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Speaker 2: twenty four being Thanksgiving? Better, I forgot. It's next week

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Speaker 2: hosting Lions at Pats at Denver, Titans at home at

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Speaker 2: Giants at Jaguars. That is advantageous, I would argue, without

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Speaker 2: even looking, I bet, without even looking at what we

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Speaker 2: are right now, six and they are, and he's five

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00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: and he's five and six, den Verse six and five,

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Speaker 2: four and seven. You got Miami, Miami is four, and

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Speaker 2: I'll pull up Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami goes, Miami goes New England at home at

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Speaker 3: green Bay home for the Jets at Houston home for

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Speaker 3: the Niners, at Brown's at Jets.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who's here's Cincinnati's Pittsburgh at home. This is their

845
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Speaker 2: bye week, So then Pittsburgh at home on the first,

846
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Speaker 2: at Dallas at Tennessee, US Broncos at.

847
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Speaker 3: Steelers at see Brown's.

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00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Where then at Tennessee, US Broncos at home at Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, right, Denver at Las Vegas, US.

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Speaker 2: I mean they two of them play, I mean they

851
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Speaker 2: all play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those three do they need to pick up one more?

853
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: They need to beat one of the final four. They

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00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: could win two of these games, by the way, Inde

855
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Speaker 3: cin C, they could beat any of these teams. Honestly,

856
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Speaker 3: Casey they had on the ropes and.

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Speaker 2: You don't know if can't see, he'll be engaged either

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Speaker 2: in the last week.

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Speaker 3: So they've got let's just call it. I think they've

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Speaker 3: got three wins in the bag because they're they're not

861
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Speaker 3: going to lose four in a row. So three wins

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00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: in the.

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Speaker 2: Bag, so let's get some.

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Speaker 3: That's a minimum of minimum. We'll call that Indie home

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Speaker 3: Detroit loss at New England.

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Speaker 2: I think everything's a coin flip with them on because

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Speaker 2: of the quarterback. I mean, he can throw win win.

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Speaker 3: I think they have four wins New England, Tennessee Giants,

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Speaker 3: Jet Jags.

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Speaker 2: I'm not totally sold on New England yet, just because

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Speaker 2: if I just think that, I think it's three.

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Speaker 3: I will give them three.

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Speaker 2: Feel very good about three.

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Speaker 3: Sincy home for pitt at Dallas. That's a win at Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about that home with US Denver Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll They're not gonna get swept by in Netsburgh.

877
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: They have too much offense. So I think they have four.

878
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: But that gets them to eight eight So right now

879
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: Denver cl and then Miami home for New England. I

880
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: do like them Akrian Bay, no Jets. Yes, at Houston,

881
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: not Niners. They might only have three and they might not.

882
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: So Denver's in a good spot.

883
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: Denver's in the best spot. INDI's in the second best spot.

884
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to win a bunch of games

885
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: in a row.

886
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: And if Denver. If Indy beats Denver, Indian Cincinnati have

887
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: the opportunity to beat Denver head to head. Yes, I

888
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 3: will tell you. I would imagine in terms of fear

889
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: factor of teams getting in Denver and Cincinnati are on

890
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: a level unto themselves versus India and Miami.

891
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: For people, Oh my gosh, Well just Burrow with Cincinnati

892
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: like they'll score thirty Denver. No, I know, but it

893
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: might be pretty good. They might be. They are. I mean,

894
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: they they can.

895
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: Blockfield away from being seven and four and having beaten

896
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: Kansas City in Kansas.

897
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: City, they are.

898
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 8: Yes.

899
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: I just think if you were the head coach of

900
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers and you had Bow Knicks or Joe

901
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Burrow to deal with, I deal with Bonnicks.

902
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: Of course.

903
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: So that's that's the only thing on that there.

904
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, man, I mean that thirty eight six

905
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: is a straight beating.

906
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. They're great defensively, and Knicks was incredible.

907
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: He's like at one point eighteen and twenty.

908
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: Bo Nicks in his last five games, seventy one percent completions,

909
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: twelve hundred yards, passing, seven point four yards pert tempt,

910
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: nine touchdowns, one pick in one hundred and six rating

911
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: his last few games. He's got in his last four games,

912
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: he's got nine touchdowns, one pick, and has three games

913
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: with the quarterback Ratiingo more than one fifteen. Although they

914
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: did get smoked in the middle of this by Baltimore.

915
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I would. I would much rather

916
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: play than feel like they're in a pretty good spot

917
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: as an organization though right now, Yeah, yeah, give Sean

918
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Payton as Flowers absolutely a show that is near and

919
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: dear to everybody's heart and especially us here inside the

920
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: NBA will be continuing. So this comes out of nowhere

921
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: kind of Yes, there's rumors of about it over the weekend,

922
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: but inside the NBA is going to continue. It will

923
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: be Honestly, it's one of those rare sports media stories

924
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: where everybody wins, so we get to keep getting inside

925
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: the NBA, and inside the NBA gets to now beyond

926
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals and the conference finals and every they've

927
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: never been on a finals, that group has never been

928
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: on a fieal fish. They go fishing, gal. They get

929
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: to do the NBA finals. Now, espn wins as big

930
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: as possible because they've been trying to replicate that show

931
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: for twenty years and ever gotten close and now they

932
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: don't have to. Now, what I do think is interesting

933
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: is like, was this the NBA Because this is a

934
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: settlement Warner sued the NBA over their rights to match

935
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: on the negotiations when they redd the television deal. And

936
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 2: is this the NBA telling ESPN you're gonna take Inside

937
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: and Inside's gonna be produced by TNT by TNT And

938
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: but does ESPN even put up any issue with that?

939
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's picking up the production cost I'm guessing

940
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: ESPN or as Turner does. Turn I bet you Turner's

941
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: picking up production costs because Turner got the international rights

942
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: to the NBA.

943
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 5: Correct.

944
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: So, and the only thing for ESPN is you don't

945
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: control your own show. But I'm guessing they're gonna split

946
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: the sales of it, Mads, what do you think? So

947
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: here we go.

948
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 5: This is from within the last hour. Actually, except when

949
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: the show goes on the road. TNT Sports will continue

950
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 5: to independently produce Inside the NBA from its Atlanta based studios.

951
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 5: Over the terms of the agreement.

952
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 14: The.

953
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 5: Show will appear on ESPN and ABC, includes ESPN's pregame, halftime,

954
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 5: postgame coverage of the NBA Finals on ABC, Conference Finals,

955
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 5: NBA Playoffs, all ABC games after January, first Christmas Day,

956
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 5: opening week, the final week of the season. Another Marquee

957
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 5: live events.

958
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

959
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: It's great.

960
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing Turners picking up production cost. ESPN is

961
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: splitting ad revenue somehow.

962
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 5: Ah, here we go. It's only seven paragraphs down. As

963
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: part of the agreement, TNT Sports will also begin showing

964
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 5: thirteen Big twelve football and fifteen men's basketball games next

965
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 5: season as part of the sub license with ESPN.

966
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: So this is a this is an offshoot. TNT has

967
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: some of the two of the college football playoff games

968
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: this year.

969
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have two.

970
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: They have the two on Saturday in the day. ESPN

971
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: has the two night games, but they have the two

972
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: in the day. So there's a partnership here where What's

973
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: what happened here is we have the rights to this,

974
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: but we don't have room for it, so we're going

975
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: to farm it out to you. And that's what's happening

976
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: with Big twelve on football and men's basketball.

977
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 5: The agreement is also part of a settlement after Warner

978
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: Brothers Discovery, the parent company of pat sued the NBA.

979
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it wins everybody. Everybody wins. You get

980
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: more of Ernie and Chuck and Shaq and Kenny and

981
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: and and now you get them in the finals, which

982
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: you've never had. So that's awesome.

983
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 5: And and you were one.

984
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 4: Right.

985
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: ESPN's studio work for NBA playoff games.

986
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: They've tried everything.

987
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: Regular season game, Yeah, they've brutal, they've tried everything.

988
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: They've brought Steven A in, they got Wilbonn in the

989
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: old days, they had Bill Simmons come on like they've

990
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: tried everything, and that you can't recreate that magic. You

991
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Speaker 2: we do have to talk a little football with you,

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Speaker 2: but I did want to start. I know you guys

1009
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: talked last week. I believe when I was when I

1010
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: was down doing some business, haf you were finally at

1011
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Alion's and you were next to Manuel Neuer. You've done it,

1012
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: sir in leeder Hos and it looked.

1013
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Speaker 4: Like I had my Bavarian finest outfit there next to

1014
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: the mister goalkeeper, mister Knwer. Thankfully, I had some Germans

1015
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: around me who let me know the presence of greatness

1016
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 4: that I was in that I should definitely go over

1017
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 4: and chat him up. And I had to let him

1018
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 4: know about my stellar career as a goalkeeper up until

1019
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: I was twelve years old, that he's lucky I took

1020
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: the route I did because otherwise he wouldn't have been

1021
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: considered the greatest goalkeeper of all time.

1022
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: He yeah, he's a bit of a German icon. Bayern

1023
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: Munich goalie for like fifteen years and then he was

1024
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: the goalie when they won the World Cup in twenty fourteen.

1025
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: He's been the best goalie in the world for over

1026
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: a decade. That was it was awesome to see those

1027
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: were those worlds collide Hoff very very cool.

1028
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was cool, and I immediately realized

1029
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 4: how legendary he was outside of like my guys telling

1030
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 4: me like, hey, you should talk to him. He was

1031
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: the greatest goal he ever. But also when I took

1032
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: the picture and I was like, oh, tag him on Instagram,

1033
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: and I realized you couldn't tag him because he's one

1034
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: of these guys that has, you know, fifteen million followers

1035
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 4: and he's got some special lockout it so you can't

1036
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 4: even tag him. So I was like, Wow, this guy

1037
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 4: fel Maybe I should go back over there and try

1038
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 4: it again.

1039
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: That's that's it. That is that is absolutely it. Okay,

1040
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: this was a new way for us to lose Hoff,

1041
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: and I guess there's no fun in any of it,

1042
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: but the way that what you saw in the fourth

1043
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: quarter defensively, we haven't seen that from this defense in

1044
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: a while. What did you make of it? And how

1045
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 2: concerned argue with what you saw?

1046
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: I'm concerned because now you're at a point in the

1047
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: season where you really can't even fool yourself to think

1048
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: you're a competitor, right, And and I talked a little

1049
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 4: bit about this today offline, and we said, you know,

1050
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 4: on offense, there's a lot at stake when you're on

1051
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: the field because no matter what the playoffs implications are, Right,

1052
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 4: I'm a left tackle. If I don't block my guy,

1053
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: he's going to kill a quarterback. Like that's what's going

1054
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: to happen. And so there's pressure no matter what, on

1055
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: me to perform and do my job. Right, you're a quarterback,

1056
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: you better throw to the right guy or it's an

1057
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: interception and the whole stadium's booing you and you're getting benched,

1058
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: Like you don't have to be playing for the playoffs

1059
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: to be going out there and focused and given everything

1060
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: you've got. You know, maybe as a receiver you can

1061
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: kind of loaf on your routes or whatever, and people

1062
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 4: don't realize it. Maybe your quarterback does, and he gets

1063
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 4: on you. But on the defensive side of the ball,

1064
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 4: the harder you go, the more violent the collisions, the

1065
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: more dangerous it is for your job for that year,

1066
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: the more injuries you're exposing yourself to, right, And so

1067
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 4: you get in those situations. And I've been on those

1068
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: teams where there was nothing to play for towards the

1069
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 4: end of the year, and you're not a young guy, right,

1070
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: young guys, first second year guys, and it's easy to

1071
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 4: go out there and give everything you got because you

1072
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 4: have no reputation yet you're trying to build your reputation

1073
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: and you're trying to stick around in the league. And

1074
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the reasons those two seasons

1075
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: that we went on sixteen and one in fifteen that

1076
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: I was on, like, the guys were playing super hard.

1077
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 4: There was never a time during that season, and Zee

1078
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: will tell you, like there was never a question about, hey,

1079
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: are these guys playing hard? It was just we weren't

1080
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: very good. That's why we were losing. But when you

1081
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: have a veteran laden team that have built a career

1082
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: already in a reputation and they're starting to think about okay,

1083
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: next year, like I'd like to be healthy. I maybe

1084
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: don't want quite as much beatings on my body. They

1085
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: maybe lack a little bit of focus down the stretch

1086
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: when the game's maybe out of hand or the season

1087
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: is starting to be out of hand, and you're not

1088
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 4: going to get the same level of putting your body

1089
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: on the line in a situation like that on the

1090
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 4: defensive side as you would early on in the seas

1091
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: or if there were still things from a playoff standpoint

1092
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: to be on the line. And I think you saw

1093
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: it kind of at the end, right, a little bit

1094
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: of a lack of focus. Maybe you're given effort at

1095
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 4: the beginning to play, but when you feel like, ah,

1096
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 4: I don't think I can get there, I can't make

1097
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 4: the play or it's going to take some superhuman effort

1098
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 4: that might get myself hurt, the human nature on the

1099
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball is just to turn it

1100
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: down one click. Self preservation starts taking over a little bit.

1101
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 4: And that's why when you play against the team down

1102
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: the stretch that's got nothing to play for, you always

1103
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 4: feel like, hey, as long as we beat them down

1104
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: in the first half, we're going to win in the

1105
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: second half. Because they're not going to want to continue

1106
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: to give that effort, which is hard. It is a

1107
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 4: hard game. It's a violent game. You're putting your career

1108
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 4: and your body on the line every single time, and

1109
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: you know that guys start to make those type of

1110
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: decisions down the stretch where it is self preservation though,

1111
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: And that's unfortunate because it was a game that you

1112
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: felt like you could win and then we just gave

1113
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 4: up silly things because a lack of focus and lack

1114
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 4: of effort down the stretch.

1115
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 3: Do you feel like being at home on National TV

1116
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football, that that kind of just that environment

1117
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: and you're playing the Pittsburgh Steelers that that cures a

1118
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 3: lot of that or do you kind of look around

1119
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: our team and say, Okay, Jameis Winston this is his

1120
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: first season here, this is Jerry Judy's first season here.

1121
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: Ceder Tilman and Elizemore it's only their second seasons here

1122
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: with the Cleveland Browns. Yes, you have David Djokuho's been

1123
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: here the whole time, but you know, there aren't a

1124
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: lot of guys on this team that really have been

1125
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: through what you would call kind of you know, the

1126
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: a rivalry of Brown Steelers. I mean, how many people

1127
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: are even here still from the team that beat the

1128
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: Steelers in the playoffs in twenty twenty.

1129
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 2: Joel Yeah, yeah, Denzel yeah.

1130
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: Not many. Right, So does the fact that cis Steelers

1131
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: And we were talking earlier, you know, when you have

1132
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: a season that goes away that this one has and

1133
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: unfortunately you know it is where it is that you

1134
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: know in college for example, if it were you know,

1135
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: Michigan this year, they're at home, they get the buck guys.

1136
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: Their goal is to just try to spoil the buck

1137
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: Eyes and at least get that win. Right, do you

1138
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: feel those things in an NFL locker room, Like do

1139
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: you expect the fact that it's Brown Steelers some matter?

1140
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: Or is it more than it's Thursday night football? Or

1141
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: is it at this point when you're two and eight

1142
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 3: not a whole lot is gonna gonna get people going

1143
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: at a level that you would like to see.

1144
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 4: Look, I think the players that haven't been here very long,

1145
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 4: they're never gonna have the hatred or the desire to

1146
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 4: whack the Steelers and knock them off their playoff trajectory.

1147
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like the guys that have been here a long

1148
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: time and certainly, not like the fans that have lived

1149
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: and died and hated the Steelers since they were in

1150
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: their crib and their parents were telling them the Steelers suck.

1151
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: I mean, look at my son. We're riding at the

1152
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Break. Yes, he's booing and flipping off

1153
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 4: the Steelers fans. I mean, it's learned, right, it's offered

1154
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 4: conditioning from the time you were born in Cleveland, right,

1155
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: And so it's summer going be on that level. But

1156
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 4: I think to your point, they get it that this

1157
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 4: is a big rivalry. They understand this is a big moment.

1158
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 4: Even though we're not playing for the playoffs anymore, it's

1159
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: going to be a pack. Stadium stands are going to

1160
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 4: be there, and if you show up and you show

1161
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: out like you can, you got a chance to beat

1162
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 4: these guys and then be the heroes for the day. Right,

1163
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: And so I think that is meaningful. And I think

1164
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: there is a reset between each game, right because you

1165
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: go back, you watch the film, the coaches start chewing

1166
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 4: some bucks. All of a sudden, the whole week is

1167
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: focused on the Steelers, and you do realize that it

1168
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: is a big moment. Right Thursday Night Football it's the

1169
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 4: only game on TV in the world of American football

1170
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: right there, and so that everybody's going to be the energy,

1171
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: the excitement, and I do think you're going to get

1172
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: that great effort to start. Look, this game was in

1173
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 4: New Orleans, not exactly hated rivals. They're not a good team.

1174
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: Not many people outside of New Orleans and Brown fans

1175
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: are watching, and so there is that human nature to

1176
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: maybe dial it back a little bit at towards the

1177
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: end when you feel like maybe it's better for your

1178
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 4: own interest to have some self preservation. But I think,

1179
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 4: like I said, two things. One, it kind of resets

1180
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 4: every week because the coaches have a chance to two

1181
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 4: butts get things right. And then you also you are

1182
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: going out there as a confetitor's beginning game, like hey,

1183
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 4: let's go win this thing, and then being on national

1184
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: TV Thursday night football against your hated rival. I think

1185
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: there's a little extra juice there. So I'm not concerned

1186
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 4: about that sort of carrying over from week to week

1187
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: to week.

1188
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: If you mentioned the human nature of it, so I

1189
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: had I've had youth basketball yesterday and a guy came

1190
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: up and obviously I knew the result at that time,

1191
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, look, we're gonna be happy about

1192
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: this in April, right because the fans they where are

1193
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: we drafting? Right? They they they're smart, they can do math,

1194
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: and they can see where you're at, and their attitudes

1195
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: can be that at this point, like, let's let's just

1196
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: get to get to the draft and hopefully you pick I.

1197
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a quarterback who knows and and that's kind

1198
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: of where fans are. How as a as a player,

1199
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: how much of that do you hear and how do

1200
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: you combat that? Because this is kind of the worst

1201
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: place an organization can be where coaches and players want

1202
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: to You play to win the game, right, that's the

1203
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 2: line for Brman Edwards. You guys play to win the game.

1204
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: But big picture, what fans may want or whatever this

1205
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: offseason is gonna look like may want, it's kind of

1206
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: diametrically opposed. How do you block that out and not

1207
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: make that be a distraction? What's that even?

1208
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: Like? So I lived in Cleveland year round when I

1209
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: was playing there and had a lot of friends that

1210
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 4: were unrelated to football, Right. I had my fishing buddies,

1211
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: my hunting buddies, my buddies that were in the neighborhood,

1212
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 4: and so on Tuesdays during the season, I try to

1213
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: get out on the lake, go fishing, go yank some lip,

1214
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: catch some perch, put some walleye in the freezer, try

1215
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: to go deer hunting. Who shutting whatever? And so I

1216
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 4: was with those guys, and you know, obviously understand it's

1217
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: sensitive a little bit, but at the same time, you

1218
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 4: wind up talking about the season. It's a safe space

1219
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: in the duck blind, and you do hear a little

1220
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: bit of that and you understand it. But I think

1221
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 4: for the most part, guys that haven't been here, maybe

1222
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: don't live here in the offseason. Maybe there's just probably

1223
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: a few guys that would be like that, that have

1224
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: a lot of friends that are just born and bred

1225
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns fans. I think for the most part, guys

1226
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: aren't hearing any of that. And that's certainly not the

1227
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 4: conversation in the locker room or in the building, because

1228
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 4: there's no guarantee that any of those guys are going

1229
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 4: to be here next year outside of like a Miles

1230
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: Garrett and even that, right it's like, hey, maybe he

1231
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: gets traded, Like that was the conversation before the trade deadline.

1232
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: So I think, if anything, if you're a bubble guy,

1233
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: you're going I don't want to have a better draft pick,

1234
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 4: because I certainly don't want them to replace me, like

1235
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: I want my job. And if you're not playing for

1236
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: this team, you're putting film out there to try to

1237
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: make the next team right. And so I think there

1238
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: is a lot of selfish motivation down the stretch, like, hey,

1239
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 4: I really don't care what our draft pick is. If anything,

1240
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: I don't want to give them a reason to replace

1241
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 4: me with a high draft pick.

1242
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: Huh. We talked about not only in fact the Browns

1243
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: loss this game. You and I talked about he lose

1244
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: Duan Jones and Dwan didn't allow pressure in this game.

1245
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: I thought he was In fact, I thought he was

1246
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: quite dominant in this game. I thought this was one

1247
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 3: of his best performances in the league. That offensive line

1248
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: is a brotherhood and when a situation like that happens,

1249
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: And I don't know if people have been able to

1250
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: go back and watch it, but I've watched. And they

1251
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: ran a little bit of a twist there and Wyatt

1252
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: got knocked off balance and then he steps on Ethan

1253
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: Posk's foot, so he completely gets off balance and gets

1254
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: basically thrown back into Dwand who's engaged with Chase Young,

1255
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: and it obviously breaks his leg and ends his season.

1256
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: What's kind of That's got to be so hard when

1257
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: an it's an accident, it's an inadvertent thing, it's a

1258
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: step on a foot, and that leads to something like that,

1259
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: does how do you deal with that in that room?

1260
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 15: Well?

1261
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: I was tough. I mean even for me, I don't

1262
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: know Dwand all that. Well, I just know the few

1263
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: times I've had a chance to meet him and just

1264
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 4: watch him.

1265
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 15: And hearing how important it is to him.

1266
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: Right Like he he wants that spot, he wants to

1267
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: be the starting left tackle for the Browns, and he

1268
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 4: earned it at that point, right, I mean there was

1269
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: a reason he was in the game playing, and he

1270
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: played great. And to see him on the cart tears

1271
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 4: in his eyes. I mean I started tearing up just

1272
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 4: watching at home. And that's just because you feel for

1273
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 4: a guy like that, right, And I think when you

1274
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 4: see a player who is starting to realize his dream,

1275
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: who is giving everything he's got for the organization, for

1276
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 4: the team, because it's the most important thing in his

1277
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: life at that moment, it's hard, it's sad, it's tough,

1278
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 4: it's brutal, it's all those things, all those emotions, and

1279
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: that was a tough one to see because you watch

1280
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 4: it and all of a sudden, he's down and he's

1281
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 4: got the leg in the air. It was an interesting reaction,

1282
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 4: and all I can chalk it up to is the

1283
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 4: toughness of the guy, because it was like the shoe

1284
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 4: was untied for a second. He was just laying down,

1285
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 4: had the foot in the air, and you're like, Okay,

1286
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: maybe he's okay, Maybe he just shook up a little

1287
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 4: bit or something. They roll him over, and then I

1288
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 4: think everybody started to realize it was pretty bad. As

1289
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: soon as you watch that replay. You could see the

1290
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 4: bone kind of sticking there and it was really ugly.

1291
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, the reality hits you

1292
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: that you know, his season's over and he's got a

1293
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: long rehab process ahead of him, and as a big guy,

1294
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 4: it's harder to recover from those lower body, lower leg injuries.

1295
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: And it was devastating, you know. I think the offensive

1296
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 4: line is such a brotherhood. You feel for each other deeply,

1297
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: and you have to play as one and you feel

1298
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 4: terrible when one of your guys gets hurt, especially if

1299
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 4: you've got something to do with it. And I think

1300
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 4: that it kind of shows like how important the little

1301
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 4: tiny details are on the position, because you know why,

1302
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: it's not really in terrible position, but he's just a

1303
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: little bit off balance when he's trying to engage the

1304
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 4: twister and you know, maybe Jack doesn't quite get enough

1305
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: on the penetrator, and just tiny little things like that happen,

1306
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you know then because you're

1307
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: just a little off balance, you're trying to regain your balance.

1308
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: Then you step on a foot and now you're off

1309
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: balance and you're a big body flying through the air

1310
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: hitting another big body. It's like, you know, a cascade

1311
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: of terrible, tiny little mistakes into a big event. And

1312
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 4: it's really sad, right. I haven't talked to Joel, but

1313
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure he was just they're thinking the same thing.

1314
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: I was, like, just feeling for his brother that has

1315
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: given so much and that had finally earned that spot

1316
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 4: and now he's going to be done for the year,

1317
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 4: and you don't know what the timetable of a recovery

1318
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 4: like that is going to be.

1319
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: Half on a positive note, and obviously when the record

1320
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: is what it is, it's hard to find him. But

1321
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: there's one thing that I think we can all say

1322
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: that with Jamis at quarterback, you see that you have

1323
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: a more than capable receiving corps. You see these guys

1324
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 2: making plays down the field. And it's one thing about

1325
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: playing Jamis, like he will throw the ball down the field.

1326
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: What are you seeing offensively as we are in this

1327
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: situation where we're playing out the rest of the season

1328
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: but also trying to keep an eye on what this

1329
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: offseason will look like. Is that at least should that

1330
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: at least be a little bit of a warm blanket

1331
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: for Browns fans that they're are weapons now that you

1332
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: can see on display with a quarterback who will throw

1333
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: it down the field.

1334
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 4: And that's the conversation that I'm sure is happening internally

1335
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 4: between playing DTR and playing Jamis. I think we talked

1336
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: about it on the show already, like, hey, should you

1337
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: be playing DTR at this point right? Should you find

1338
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 4: out what you have in that guy? And I know

1339
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: there's a strong argument to see what you have at

1340
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 4: the quarterback position. You don't know what's gonna happen with

1341
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: Jamis next year. But I think just as important as

1342
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: to give these receivers who are fresh an opportunity, right,

1343
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 4: give them the best chance to show what they can do,

1344
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: what their skill sets are, to see what part of

1345
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 4: the offense that they can be next season. And I

1346
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 4: think Jamis gave us a great argument as to why

1347
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: he's still playing. Right. He gives you a chance, he

1348
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 4: gives you a chance to win any game, and he's

1349
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: given your receiving core an opportunity for those guys to

1350
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 4: show up and to show that they belong and that

1351
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: they can possibly part of the long term plans here

1352
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: for the Browns.

1353
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was saying, you know, he's showing you

1354
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: obviously a couple of things, right. Number one, that he

1355
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: can still play at a high level, and I thought

1356
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: he did a much better job in this game of

1357
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: protecting the football. Number Two, he's showing you, you know

1358
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 3: what you've gotten, Jerry Judy, that Elijah Moore's still got

1359
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: a lot more juice than I think people realize. Cedric Tillman,

1360
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, the chief still got it. And at the

1361
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: same time, I do think and maybe maybe they know

1362
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: the answer, and maybe that is the answer, But you

1363
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: know you want to see I would think, because he's

1364
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: under contract for two more years, can dtr be our

1365
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: backup for a while? You know, can he play four

1366
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: games in a row if we need him to start

1367
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: four games? Could he do that? And you still have

1368
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: plenty of time obviously to see that. But there's no

1369
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: doubt that when Jamis is on, you don't You don't

1370
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 3: lead the NFL passing and throw for over fifty one

1371
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: hundred yards in a season if you can't throw the football. Now,

1372
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: he has over his career been prone to turning it over,

1373
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: but he's had two games now with the Browns where

1374
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 3: he has not turned the ball over. And Baltimore came

1375
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: with a bit of luck and perhaps Jim Donovan intervention.

1376
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: But this one, you know, there were a couple that

1377
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 3: bounced around, but there weren't any that were egregious. And

1378
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: I thought he looked, He did look good, and AF

1379
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: defense was good. We just couldn't in high leverage situations deliver.

1380
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 3: And then obviously, when your kicker is not making kicks,

1381
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 3: and we've seen around the league when you have a

1382
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: kicker who missus kicks, you're not gonna win because you're

1383
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: selling for three which is already kind of a mini

1384
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 3: victory for the defense. And then when those threes become zero's,

1385
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, that third or fourth third down play, that

1386
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: force field goal actually becomes a seven point play. And

1387
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: that's what it's all about.

1388
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: Yea. And I think people are reevaluating, certainly over the

1389
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 4: last decade, the value of a field goal versus going

1390
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: forward on fourth down. I mean, whoever the guy is

1391
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: that came up with the scoring of the NFL, God

1392
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: bless his soul, he made three points for a field

1393
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 4: goal and two field goals still not as much as

1394
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: a touchdown and an extra point. And I think the

1395
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 4: simplicity of that, but when you think about it is like, well,

1396
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 4: that makes sense because it is a huge victory for

1397
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: the defense if the offense gets down there and can't

1398
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 4: score a touchdown. So the ability to punch it in

1399
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 4: and not have to rely on a kicker to try

1400
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 4: to kick three that just saves something out of a

1401
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: waste of opportunity in the red zone is big.

1402
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 15: But like you said, you go out of there and

1403
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 15: you have missed the field goal or a couple of.

1404
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 4: Them, it becomes really challenging to win. But it's interesting

1405
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 4: and you know, you're trying to read the tea leaves.

1406
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 4: You know what's gonna happen with the Sean next season,

1407
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 4: just like all the fans are, and I think the

1408
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 4: Browns one thing they've done since the fancy's been here

1409
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 4: is like there's not a lot of leaks, Like you're

1410
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 4: not hearing a lot of stuff coming out of there

1411
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: about what their plans are moving forward. But maybe this

1412
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a hint from the team

1413
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: standpoint to what type of quarterback that we're going to

1414
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 4: have under center next year? Right, because Jamis is under

1415
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: center more run the ball, play action typical Kevin Stefanski offense,

1416
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 4: and we assume DTR would be more like in the

1417
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 4: shotgun run game type stuff. And if they thought we

1418
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: were trying to prepare our blockers specifically for the shotgun

1419
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 4: running scheme, you would think that maybe they would say, Hey,

1420
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 4: put DTR in there and continue to work on the

1421
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 4: shotgun running game. But since Jamis is the guy that's

1422
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 4: in there and they continue to run successfully, might I

1423
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 4: add the under center stuff. Maybe that's just a little

1424
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 4: bit of a hint towards what they're thinking as far

1425
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 4: as next season and down the line, the type of

1426
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 4: offense that they want to run, and the type of

1427
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: quarterback they want back there.

1428
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: Let's go around the AFC North here you mentioned the

1429
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: simple math on two field goals, isn't equal a touchdown?

1430
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: If I were to tell you that Pittsburgh would not

1431
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: score a touchdown and beat Baltimore, what would you have said?

1432
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 4: Isn't the crazy I was on the rich is? It's crazy?

1433
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: Like the Steelers to me are the big threat in

1434
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 4: the AFC to Buffalo or Kansas City, certainly because it's

1435
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 4: like you can't understand how they're winning, but they're winning. Right,

1436
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 4: Obviously we know great defense, but it's like you shouldn't

1437
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 4: be able to win games against the Ravens' score touchdowns

1438
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 4: against that defense, but they find a way, and to

1439
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 4: their credit, they're a dangerous team in the when they

1440
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 4: get to the playoffs, because what do you take away, right,

1441
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 4: what are the matchups that you say they're not gonna

1442
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 4: be able to win that game? And playoff football is

1443
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 4: so much about matchups like, hey, okay, this team comes in.

1444
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 4: They're really good in the secondary, and they like to

1445
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: throw the ball and they're gonna score a lot of points. Well,

1446
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: if they run into a team that's playing great defense

1447
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 4: and gonna run the ball like they might not be

1448
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 4: able to stop them all of a sudden. The weather's nasty,

1449
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: especially if you're playing in the AFC North and they

1450
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 4: get knocked off. And I think the Steelers are that

1451
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 4: type of team that's just balanced. They find a way

1452
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 4: to win. They don't make mistakes in critical moments, and

1453
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 4: that's a dangerous team against anybody.

1454
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: Is Mike Donlin a Coach of the Year favorite in

1455
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 3: your opinion?

1456
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 4: I would say so. I mean the traditional thinking and

1457
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 4: certainly today's NFL is like you got to have elite

1458
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 4: quarterback play to be at the top of your conference,

1459
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 4: and they've done it now with two different quarterbacks. Of course,

1460
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson is playing well, but it's not like they're

1461
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 4: lighting up the scoreboard with a bunch of touchdowns. And

1462
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 4: I think really the measure of good coaching is how

1463
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 4: good your team is situational football, you know, red zone,

1464
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 4: backed up, goal line, third down penalties, mental mistakes, Like

1465
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 4: that's sort of your mark of how good your coach is. Right,

1466
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 4: how can you your coach take a team that's maybe

1467
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 4: evenly matched and come out and get the victory from

1468
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 4: week to week. So I think certainly Tomlin is going

1469
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 4: to be, if not the front runner, one of those

1470
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 4: top maybe three coaches. I think Dan Campbell obviously has

1471
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 4: got the inside track to that. But if something happens

1472
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,879
Speaker 4: to the Lions down the stretch, I would say Tomlin's

1473
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 4: then your next guy up.

1474
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: How are the Bengals cooked?

1475
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 4: Yeah? With the defense like that, it's over. No matter

1476
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 4: if everybody keeps talking about Joe Burrow playing MVP caliber football.

1477
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 4: I don't care how good your offense is. If your

1478
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 4: defense can't stop anybody, this is wild.

1479
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: They have not beaten a good team all year, and

1480
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: they've lost I think six games by what six to

1481
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: one score games They just anti class. They can't finish.

1482
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1483
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is pretty wild. That's all it speaking of.

1484
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: We're talking about the coach of the year, and we

1485
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 3: mentioned you got to mention obviously Dan Campbell. With the Lions,

1486
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: we haven't seen a team that just annihilates people and

1487
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 3: pours it on this. They feel like a college team

1488
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: playing like a mid major five Nebraska like it. They

1489
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: beat everybody forty nine to seven. It's not you can't

1490
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: get a number big enough. It was thirteen and a

1491
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: half this week. Yeah, it was over fourteen. I think

1492
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 3: by kick and just an absolute beating. What do you

1493
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: make of what the Lions are doing right now, Haff

1494
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: because we haven't seen For example, the Chiefs are have

1495
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: one loss, but they've won, so they are the opposite

1496
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 3: of the Bengals.

1497
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: They are the clutch of the last one. Guys, who

1498
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: is like this in your mind's eye? Was like first

1499
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: year Mahomes Chiefs like this where they buried people.

1500
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 3: They buried people, the Ravens the year they didn't go

1501
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 3: they didn't go win a super Bowl, but they were

1502
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 3: burying people. That Lamar's first MVP season, they were annihilating people.

1503
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: The Rams. I remember, greatest show on turf. They lost

1504
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl to the Yeah that's now we're

1505
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: going that's twenty some years. Like, who can you think

1506
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: of anybody from your playing career who just annihilated people

1507
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: like that?

1508
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 4: I'm thinking the scene of Old Patriots. I can't remember

1509
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 4: all the scores, but I remember when they had Rainy

1510
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 4: Moss and they were just you know, throwing the ball

1511
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,839
Speaker 4: up to him, and I feel like in my memory

1512
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 4: without looking at it and being unprepared for this question.

1513
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: I feel like they were. They were smashing people. I

1514
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 4: just remember games too, like in Foxborough, it's snowing, it's raining,

1515
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 4: everything is going to be a low scoring game. All

1516
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 4: of a sudden they score. They dropped fifty on somebody,

1517
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 4: So I think it's something like that. But to me,

1518
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 4: the amazing thing with Detroit is it's not all coming

1519
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 4: through the air, like yeah, Goff is playing great, but

1520
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 4: they're just smashing people in the run game, and they're

1521
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 4: just doing it at will. Like you said, it's like

1522
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: a major back in the old days, when you know,

1523
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 4: like a Big ten team would play a max like

1524
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 4: that and win by fifty points itself. That it's crazy

1525
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 4: to think because the NFL is just dope for parody,

1526
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: and your best teams pull out victories by a score

1527
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 4: to routine lee and these guys just smash everybody and

1528
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 4: they're putting their backups in the second half.

1529
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: All right, here's the Patriots two thousand and seven, thirty

1530
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 3: eight fourteen over the Jets, thirty eight fourteen over the Chargers,

1531
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: thirty eight seven over the Bills, thirty four to thirteen

1532
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 3: over the Bengals. So your closest game is twenty one

1533
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: points through four weeks, thirty four to seventeen over the Browns,

1534
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 3: got it to seventeen, forty eight, twenty seven, forty nine,

1535
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 3: twenty eight. So that's twenty one, twenty one, fifty two

1536
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: to seven over the then Commanders, twenty four to twenty,

1537
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: fifty six to ten over the Bills thirty one to

1538
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: twenty eight, twenty seven to twenty four, thirty four to thirteen,

1539
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 3: twenty ten, twenty eight to seven, thirty eight to thirty five.

1540
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 3: Then the playoff games were all relatively close thirty one

1541
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: to twenty, twenty one to twelve, and they lose in

1542
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Okay, Lions this year now again granted

1543
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,879
Speaker 3: they've got they do have some they do have some losses.

1544
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: But the Lions this year, they go twenty six, twenty,

1545
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 3: then twenty to sixteen, the loss to the Bucks, twenty

1546
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 3: to thirteen, over the Cardinals, forty two to twenty nine

1547
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: over Seattle, forty seven to nine, over the Cowboy is

1548
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 3: thirty one to twenty nine, over the Bikes, fifty two

1549
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 3: to fourteen, over the Titans twenty four to fourteen, twenty six,

1550
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 3: twenty three, and then fifty two to six.

1551
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: Here's The thing they're doing off that's so that I

1552
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: think is incredible is when they play bad teams, they

1553
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 2: bury bury like there's no chance, Like it's done.

1554
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 3: You have three games here by thirty eight or more

1555
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 3: in the last sixteen the NFL. In the NFL forty

1556
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: seven to nine over the Cowboys, fifty two to fourteen

1557
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: over the Titans, and fifty two to six over the Jags.

1558
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: The Jags are stupefying. I mean, now they're playing Mac Jones,

1559
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 3: not that surprising, but still and they've got the Bears

1560
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,480
Speaker 3: twice on their schedule to go and the Colts, my word.

1561
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that game. This weekend was crazy to me

1562
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 4: because I called the Jaguars game in London and their

1563
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 4: defense is sort of set up not to get buried, right,

1564
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, we've been built by the defensive line.

1565
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 4: They've got a Trevon Walker, a first round pick first overall,

1566
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 4: they got them. Yeah, they've got like guys that can

1567
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 4: rush the PA, but they're really built to stop the

1568
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: run and not give up big plays and not get

1569
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 4: buried like Ben but don't break. So for them to

1570
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 4: give up that type of a score is humiliating because

1571
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: if anything, you're going to be able to just keep

1572
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: a close down the stretch. So that was that might

1573
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 4: be the last one for Doug Peterson. I think they're

1574
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 4: on by this week.

1575
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: Joe, what did you make of as we kind of

1576
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: take this out and extrapolate around the league a little bit,

1577
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: these rookie quarterbacks, because you know, early on it was

1578
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: it was Jane Daniels with sensational and then he took

1579
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: that hit and he's kind of been a little wobbly since.

1580
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 2: Caleb's had moments, and then bo Nicks has been incredible

1581
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: for a month now. This is a kid who played

1582
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 2: six years of college football, and obviously that's very beneficial.

1583
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody had him in the category

1584
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: of these other guys, and he was incredible in the

1585
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: game and has been for about a month. What do

1586
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: you make of this year's group of rookie quarterbacks as

1587
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: they matriculated through now past the halfway point in the season.

1588
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think average most guys have exceeded expectations, Caleb

1589
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 4: Williams notwithstanding. But what I think when you talk about

1590
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 4: those those four guys you just mentioned are Drake may

1591
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 4: I think you talk about Harry you've been playing good

1592
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 4: football too. I think it goes to their style of

1593
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 4: play a little bit. So if you've got a quarterback

1594
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 4: who can use his legs and make off schedule plays,

1595
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to fully understand what the defense is

1596
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: trying to do to him to be able to make

1597
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 4: some great plays down the field. And I think Daniels

1598
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 4: in Washington did a great job of not only making

1599
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 4: off schedule plays, but understanding when it was time to

1600
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: run it was time to scramble, but then keeping his

1601
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: eyes down field, towing the ball, and he did a

1602
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 4: great job reading the defenses. But after four games, six games,

1603
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 4: eight games, defenses start figuring out what your tendencies are

1604
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 4: and they can start clamping down on some of that stuff,

1605
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 4: and then they're going to force you to do the

1606
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 4: things that you haven't shown ability to do. And so

1607
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 4: I think those guys that are more athletic make more

1608
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 4: off schedule plays. They start faster, teams figure them out,

1609
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 4: gets a little slower in the middle of the season,

1610
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 4: and then it becomes that moment of Okay, can you

1611
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: be a great quarterback in the league. Can you go

1612
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 4: to two point zero version of yourself? Make that next evolution,

1613
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 4: take that next step, prove to the league that you

1614
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 4: can beat those things that have been a problem early on.

1615
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: Whereas a guy who's more of the pro style like

1616
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 4: the Bonnicks that Drake may guys with a little bit

1617
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 4: less mobility but more of an in the pocket passer,

1618
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: they're going to start slow, right because defenses in the

1619
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 4: NFL are so much more challenging. But then they're just

1620
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 4: kind of putting those little building blocks on top of

1621
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 4: each other. They're making steady progress, and then by the

1622
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 4: middle of the season, the end of the season, they're

1623
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 4: starting to play like more like a veteran quarterback, where

1624
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 4: you don't have so many easy ways on defense to

1625
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 4: put them into a buying and so I think that's

1626
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 4: kind of what you're seeing there. But overall, I mean,

1627
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 4: you get three pretty darn good rookies in a rookie

1628
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 4: class in the first round. That's probably above what the

1629
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 4: average is when it comes to guys that you know

1630
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 4: can be the franchise quarterback. And I think we're not

1631
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 4: totally out on Caleb Williams right now. I think he's

1632
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 4: had some struggles.

1633
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 15: I think part of that is the the.

1634
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 4: Uh, the team, the organization, the offensive coordinator that he's

1635
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 4: dealing with, which is, you know, goes back to if

1636
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 4: you're going to bring in a first overall pick at quarterback,

1637
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 4: let's find an offensive coordinator and an offensive mind, preferably

1638
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 4: the head coach that's going to be with him a

1639
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 4: long time, right, because that's the most important asset in

1640
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: your organization. And to keep a coach that's maybe got

1641
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 4: a year on or and then he's going to be

1642
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:48,919
Speaker 4: done seems like malpractice from an organization standpoint, because potentially

1643
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 4: he's going to be starting over with a new staff,

1644
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 4: and he's a quarterback that maybe has some shaky confidence

1645
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 4: going into year two with everything being new again potentially

1646
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 4: from an offensive standpoint in front head coach, and then

1647
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: of course all the turnover that happens when you do

1648
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 4: replace your coach.

1649
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 3: Why do you think, like Jaydon Daniels And I know

1650
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 3: it's kind of coincided with the injury, but it was

1651
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: something that I noted going into the season. And if

1652
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 3: you go back and look at those Arizona Cardinals teams

1653
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: under Cliff Kingsbury, they're always great first half teams. The

1654
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: offense is explosive, they put up a ton of points

1655
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: and then in the second half it just completely sputters out.

1656
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: Is it just do teams just figure it out? And

1657
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: then they don't have a CounterPunch? Like why does that happen?

1658
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 4: You know, I never played in the air Raid. It

1659
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 4: wasn't an offense that was in the NFL when I

1660
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: was there, but just watching Arizona and covering a few

1661
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 4: of their games, and then Wisconsin had an a coordinator

1662
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 4: until I think this morning we just fired our offensive coordinator.

1663
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 4: But the problem is it's a simple offense, like there's

1664
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 4: not it's not like super game plan specific. You kind

1665
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 4: of do the same thing over and over again. Now

1666
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 4: the receivers in the quarterback they have options on every route,

1667
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 4: so it's much more freelance, more like the motion offense

1668
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 4: and basketball. But when you start playing and you see

1669
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 4: it over and over again, then you kind of figure out, Okay,

1670
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 4: what are their tendencies and then on defense you just

1671
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 4: try to take away their tendencies and if they don't

1672
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 4: have that counter punch, which is hard in the air

1673
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 4: raid because like I said, it's simple, they don't have

1674
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 4: a huge playbook. I think it it becomes difficult to pivot.

1675
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 4: Right the Patriots, they were, you know, textbook game plan specific.

1676
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 4: Every week they were doing something different, and so it

1677
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 4: becomes a little bit tougher when you got that thick

1678
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 4: playbook and you can kind of pick a different chapter

1679
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 4: for each week depending on who you play versus an

1680
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 4: offense is just kind of like, Hey, this is who

1681
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 4: we are and we're going to just kind of out

1682
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 4: athlete you. That I think is it's tough to maintain

1683
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 4: in the NFL.

1684
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 2: Alright, Hoff, we'll see it Thursday, buddy, Thank you for

1685
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: your time.

1686
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: Sounds good. Can't wait to see you guys. And on Wednesday, Z.

1687
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Speaker 3: Preparations are underway.

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Speaker 2: of your great clips, Great clip of the game, great clips,

1703
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Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Here's Jerry Judy's eighty nine

1704
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: yard touchdown in quarter number one.

1705
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 7: Brown's third drive, beginning on the eleven yard line.

1706
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 13: Playfake to Chubb.

1707
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,959
Speaker 14: Winston climbs the pocket under pressure Ice down field throws.

1708
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 5: Caught by Judy on the run.

1709
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 3: Forty midfield shooty at the forty five forty Saints thirty shooty.

1710
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 5: It's a foot race.

1711
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 7: Twenty ten.

1712
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 5: We've in touch down.

1713
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: First Browns now now man, there you go. First. Browns

1714
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: play over forty yards this season, fifth longest play in

1715
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: Brown's history. Good for Jerry.

1716
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 3: It's great. Firste hundred yard game is a Brown sixth

1717
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: of his career, second highest yard and show he's ever

1718
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 3: had in the game one hundred and forty two. He's

1719
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: got thirteen catches the last two weeks over two hundred yards,

1720
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 3: got the touchdown, and you're, yeah, you're seeing what he

1721
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: can do as kind of that that lead horse in

1722
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 3: your pass game. Tilman had a solid game, Elijah Moore

1723
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: made some big catches, and the joke who had nine catches.

1724
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: It was good.

1725
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean there was a lot of core. Yeah, that's

1726
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: a good that is a good core.

1727
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1728
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb had his in terms of yards per carry

1729
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 3: and overall rushing yards, his best game since coming back.

1730
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 3: It's still is not quite where you know you want

1731
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 3: it to be or what you've come to expect from

1732
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb. But that's in reality, it's probably not all

1733
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 3: that surprising. That was a devastating injury that was suffered

1734
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 3: last season.

1735
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: I feel like we did our very best to prepare

1736
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: people for that reality. Yeah, and we would mention we

1737
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: you know, we would talk about two catastrophic surgeries. It

1738
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: wasn't one, it was two. And usually if you do

1739
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: get back to some variation of what you are, it's

1740
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: more of an eighteen month thing to get back to that.

1741
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: And it's really remarkable he's playing yeah, yeah, quite honestly,

1742
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: considering he's had three catastrophic knee surgeries. Yeah, but it

1743
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: might be one of those things where whatever his getting

1744
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 2: back to what we used to see of Nick Chubb.

1745
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: If it's possible, it might be like next year, a

1746
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: full off season, if he can get through. Kevin also

1747
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: said today in his availability that they also were thinking

1748
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: of about the short week with Pittsburgh for him. So

1749
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: I think he only had twenty two snaps and they did,

1750
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: you know that that was kind of He said that

1751
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: they considered that in there in the snap count for

1752
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb too well.

1753
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 3: And also they got to point in the game where

1754
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 3: they were in you know, eleven personnel and shotgun and

1755
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 3: they bring Jerome forward in those situations. So yeah, you're

1756
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 3: hoping that, you know, there was a little bit more

1757
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 3: daylight for him to run in this week's game, and

1758
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 3: you hope that that's a harbinger of things to come.

1759
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 3: But still at the end of the day, it's not

1760
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 3: like this was you know, this was about the forward

1761
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: pass and he did a great job. Now, Nick Chubb

1762
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: and this one three point eight yards after contact per carry.

1763
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 3: That is what Nick Chubb does. That is exactly what

1764
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: he used to do, and yards per attempt four and

1765
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: a half, So that means you got about half of

1766
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 3: a yard down the field or point seven yards down

1767
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: the field before taking contact. If they can get that

1768
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 3: to one point five, then he's back to averaging five

1769
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 3: yards of carry and and being the nick Chubb that

1770
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: he thought. Now, one of the things that I thought

1771
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 3: was very, very troubling in this game is you know,

1772
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: when you flip it around on the other side, Taysom

1773
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 3: Hill had one hundred and thirty eight yards rushing. He

1774
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 3: had one hundred and twenty three yards after contact.

1775
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: That's wild.

1776
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,879
Speaker 3: He averaged eighteen seventeen and a half yards after contact

1777
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: per rush. Like he forced eight miss tackles or went

1778
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: through eight missedt eight tackles. That's how many games have

1779
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 3: we had double digit miss tackles this year? And this

1780
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: is another one. We had eleven. I'm sorry that was them.

1781
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: We had ten. It's just you can't have double digit

1782
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: miss tackles in the National Football Listen.

1783
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 2: I mean we're hour and forty five minutes into this.

1784
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,719
Speaker 2: Here's the reality. We don't really do anything well.

1785
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 4: Through.

1786
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 3: I mean, we throw for four hundred yards, we don't score.

1787
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: We did we have one twenty point game on the year.

1788
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 2: One really real Yeah, we beat Baltimore, we had twenty nine.

1789
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: That's it. That's the list. So we don't score. We

1790
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: we have haven't tackled really well. Our defense has been

1791
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 2: mostly passable. This was the this was something else. Entirely this,

1792
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: I mean the Dallas game. In this game, and then

1793
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: our special teams isn't great. We're missing kicks. I mean

1794
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: Corby Orkez is the star of the team, and Denzel Ward.

1795
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: We have twenty four points the last two games. I mean,

1796
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: so I'm saying, and that's the thing in we're like, oh,

1797
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 3: Jamie said, looks so much.

1798
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: Better, but we can't put it in the paint.

1799
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 3: Now the hop makes this field goals. We scored twenty

1800
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: in this.

1801
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: Game, right, But to Joe's point earlier, and as you

1802
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: and I, you've got to score touchdowns and you're you know,

1803
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: you bog down in the red zone and you can't

1804
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: score touchdowns. I mean, there's no way there's another. Who's

1805
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 2: the worst? It is Carolina the worst offensive team in

1806
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: the league other than a.

1807
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: Points per game basis. It might be Miami because when

1808
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: they definitely though when they didn't have.

1809
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: Two all right, you look up, you look, I'm gonna

1810
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 2: look up Carolina, you look up New England because I

1811
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: know Miami scored twenty, so.

1812
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 3: We were the only one that hadn't scored twenty when we.

1813
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: Carolina in losses scored twenty two to twenty four, so

1814
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: twenty that's already more twenty two they and they've scored

1815
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 2: twenty twice and wins, so they've won three games Carolina

1816
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: has going back to games. Yeah, and they were over

1817
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: twenty in both. So the only other team I could

1818
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: think it was New England because.

1819
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 3: It was really bad for a while twenty in Week two,

1820
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: twenty one, in Week six, twenty five, in Week eight

1821
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 3: twenty two, this week against the Rams.

1822
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've done it once once.

1823
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 3: Miami had a stretch where they were played Miami. Yeah,

1824
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 3: Miami had the stretch without two. So Miami now has

1825
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 3: scored twenty seven to twenty seven. Twenty three thirty went

1826
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: to a back when they didn't have Tua. It was

1827
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 3: three twelve fifteen ten.

1828
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: You know who's really bad? Who's who's probably the what

1829
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: was the I think three second were the worst, but

1830
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: the second worst might be New York. They scored twenty

1831
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 2: one against US. They scored twenty against Seattle they scored

1832
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: twenty two against the Comedy, so they had three. But

1833
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 2: the most points they scored this sea and was twenty two.

1834
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, they scored twenty nine against the Seahawks. Yeah,

1835
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: so they've done it three times. So yeah, there's nothing

1836
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: you're going to hang your hat on at this point

1837
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: and say this is what we do. And so what

1838
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: you have to do as an operation, what you have

1839
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: to do as a coaching staff, what you have to

1840
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 2: do is players this week is it is a short week.

1841
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 2: I like what you said earlier. You owe it to

1842
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: yourselves and you owe it to these fans on Thursday

1843
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: night at home to show up and show out and

1844
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 2: at least give your best if you play. Pittsburgh is

1845
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: a bit of a juggernaut right now. They're not offensively,

1846
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 2: but they just find ways to play tight games.

1847
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 3: Though.

1848
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: They play a lot of tight games, and so it

1849
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 2: can be in the mix, like give yourself a chance

1850
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: to win a Thursday night and feel good on a

1851
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: Friday morning and allow for a victory Friday. That's the job.

1852
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: Forget anything else. Whatever's happened has happened. You have a

1853
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: quarterback now who will throw the ball down the field,

1854
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: protect on Thursday night. The best you can defense, have

1855
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: some pride under the lights on a Thursday and give

1856
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: yourself a win on Thursday and then deal with the

1857
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: rest of it as it comes. They have, but that's

1858
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: where you are.

1859
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 3: They only have two three wins that were more than

1860
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: one possession all season. Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Chargers in Week three.

1861
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 3: But what Herbert was hurt? Yeah, they beat him twenty

1862
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 3: to ten. They beat the Raiders thirty two to thirteen.

1863
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: They beat the Jets thirty seven to fifteen.

1864
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: That's it.

1865
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Everything else. They beat Washington twenty eight twenty seven. They

1866
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 3: beat Baltimore's eighteen to sixteen. Yeah, that's the only They

1867
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 3: only have two games where it's been more than more

1868
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 3: than one possession game.

1869
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Their clutch meter is just quite good. Roof for

1870
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 2: r it now quite quite good. We've got a score

1871
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: for a Monday nighter. You have that to look forward to,

1872
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: plus so much more to come. Cleveland Brown's Daily eight

1873
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1876
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: That's your special Monday Night at issue of the Browns

1877
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: preview show. It's tonight from seven to eight on the

1878
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 2: University Hospital Cleveland Browns Radio Network on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1879
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: As well, Isaiah maguire and Andrew Sicilianos joined Kennon Gerrod

1880
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 2: as we quickly turned the page to Thursday night football.

1881
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 2: We get a Monday night or tonight it is Texans.

1882
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead, gibe sorry, good normally, normally we've got thirty seconds.

1883
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's true. We got a little bit of time.

1884
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 5: We have a little bit of time. The Houston Texans

1885
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 5: are two and three on the road, good news. They're

1886
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 5: going to Big D and Dallas, who is zero and

1887
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 5: four at home, and they've loshed four in a row

1888
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 5: and three and six on the football season. It's the

1889
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 5: battle for Texas supremacy. Houston visiting Dallas.

1890
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: Bo Well, Nico Collins is back, Are we sure? Yeah?

1891
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: Nico Collins is back. Cooper Rush is quarterbacking Dallas. Dallas

1892
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 2: is in shambles. I think that the my Hunches, the

1893
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 2: McNair family would love nothing more than to bury Dallas

1894
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 2: on Monday Night at Jerry World, and I think they do.

1895
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm with you. This is another one. I was trying

1896
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 3: to think of what would the number happen. I was

1897
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 3: thinking fourteen and a half.

1898
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Would make something like that big. Yeah, multiple touchdown or

1899
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: at least touchdown, a couple of field goals. Yeah, it

1900
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: feels like you want to bury them. They've been in

1901
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: the shadow of doubt. They're everybody's in the shadow of

1902
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 2: the cowboys, but forever like if you get a chance,

1903
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: and I think they will and Nico back And it

1904
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: sounds like they were really cautious bringing him back. So

1905
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: when he's so and they're different with him.

1906
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 5: So yep, all right, Well tomorrow active day today or

1907
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 5: tomorrow Big podium Day. It's the only podium day of

1908
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 5: the week. We'll hear from the QB. We'll hear from

1909
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 5: the defensive end more but Tonio coordinators, every courter, no,

1910
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 5: no cordina. We'll meet the peers a little Microsoft minute

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01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 5: in one thought.

1912
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Speaker 2: There you go.

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01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 5: Busy Tuesday, we take a case.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, there you go.

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