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Speaker 1: Lloo and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our

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Speaker 2: old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're looking back on episode sixty four, which we

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Speaker 1: named I Won't Believe This Live at Revolution Hall.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it's our Portland Live show and this episode came

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Speaker 2: out April thirteenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into the intro of episode sixty four. Already. Hi,

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Speaker 1: you're doing it out of obligation.

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Speaker 3: We know.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time that happened. I actually did I

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Speaker 1: didn't hear you said. I said they're doing it out

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Speaker 1: of obligation because one person did it. That's the first

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Speaker 1: time that ever happened. It is the first time that's

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Speaker 1: ever happened.

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Speaker 4: Portland.

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Speaker 1: What's up Portland? That is so Portland. W Portland. I

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Speaker 1: swear to God wo Hi Portland. I like you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I actually am a little bit sad because this is

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Speaker 2: the last night. I wish you could be like fourteen

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Speaker 2: more nights. It really has been very, very fun and exciting.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for being here, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for getting tickets and waiting for tickets and dealing miss

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Speaker 2: Kelpers and letting us know that you didn't get enough tickets.

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Speaker 1: And that's about tickets.

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Speaker 2: And it's our fault that your lives were ending because

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Speaker 2: of the ticket.

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Speaker 1: And you've been listening from the beginning, and how you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's so you should get first run of ticket.

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Speaker 1: Yes you are.

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Speaker 2: You are the biggest fans and you deserve the most tickets.

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Speaker 1: So where thank you? Yeah, thank you kindly for being

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Speaker 1: first started moonishing the assholes. That's how I start every show,

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Speaker 1: is just telling you guys what dix.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, there's plenty of clappers, but the assholes need

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Speaker 2: to be like given their promise as well.

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Speaker 1: I love that you. Good start, good start. Let's start over, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Can we go again? Here we go a lulla back.

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Speaker 2: I don't worry.

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Speaker 3: I don't know because you don't see anything anyway.

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Speaker 1: I actually am legally blind. All right here, look at

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Speaker 1: Svince came backstage and said, update from the audience. Stephen

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Speaker 1: has a line of people.

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Speaker 2: Stephen, that's the quickest way to get fired and get

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Speaker 2: more popular than the host.

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Speaker 1: And Mommy Ray Morris is here.

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Speaker 2: J Yeah, Stephen invited his mother, who probably has never

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Speaker 2: heard this podcast, has no interest in murder, doesn't think

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Speaker 2: what we're doing is right.

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Speaker 1: Probably you know, Stephen's not her favorite anyway, It's true. Well,

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Speaker 1: now Steven's a successful one, even though his sister's a doctor.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, sure, now who's successful? Well you better

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Speaker 1: tell her.

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Speaker 2: The podcast are the wave of the future, so doctoring

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Speaker 2: is out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hell ya, nobody needs a doctor anymore. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I've been drinking this fucking insane crack caffeine.

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Speaker 1: What is it? It's your mamatee. Have you guys? Do

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Speaker 1: you guys heard of it Portland? Have you heard of

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Speaker 1: your mama te? And do you know gluten is bad

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Speaker 1: for are you? I can see everything and everyone, and

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Speaker 1: I can see her auras. Oh shit, girl, all good

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Speaker 1: right now? But do you have any animal familiars on

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Speaker 1: the stage right now? I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 2: You know there are animals you hallucinate that talk to

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Speaker 2: you and tell you how to live.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's one not my cats? Then heard that? Oh,

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Speaker 1: because that's all my life is. I know that's his name.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: I have actually a very similar thing right now, which

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Speaker 2: is that I Georgia likes to bring me, which is

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Speaker 2: one of the best things about the sturing with Georgia's

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Speaker 2: she brings me a coffee.

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Speaker 1: It's just super exciting.

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Speaker 2: So she last night and tonight has brought me a

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Speaker 2: mocha from stump Town. And last night when she gave

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Speaker 2: it to him, was like, awesome, thanks, drank the whole

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Speaker 1: And then You're like, is this from sometown.

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Speaker 2: Or are you dosing me? Just to change it up

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Speaker 1: Bit, a little bit of that adderall, then we're good. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we forgot to mention that this is all accidental. Our neckline. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys were wondering. They are definitely sitting

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Speaker 1: We didn't. Karen was like, cut yours off, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I demanded, and she cut up her dress. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm the primary, you have to adjust yours.

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Speaker 1: But and then we but I did make her part

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Speaker 1: her hair the other way, so we didn't look exactly this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although I am going to cut it short and

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Speaker 2: then we're just gonna come out holding hands.

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Speaker 1: Like the shining to and.

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Speaker 3: You're like, get ready for the wall of blood verbal

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Speaker 3: the verbal wall of blood. That's Karen and I'm Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, and this is my favorite, my favorite, Marta.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We we want to tell you guys this story from

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Speaker 2: last night because it's pretty hilarious, but we're telling it

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Speaker 2: to you as adults, promising that you won't get any

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, do we tell them or are

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Speaker 1: they just going to be like I'm like, we gotta

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Speaker 1: tell them, We gotta tell them. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So last night, during the hometown murder portion of the show,

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Speaker 1: Most amazing story.

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Speaker 2: It was like everything I've ever wanted in a story

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Speaker 2: of finding dead bodies and the.

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Speaker 1: Dead body is a bad guy and knows this and

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Speaker 2: It was like second, like one Kevin Bacon away from

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Speaker 1: In a creek. It's what more doing you? They didn't

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Speaker 1: know and they were like, what is that? A jacket?

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Speaker 1: Think about that before you offer to be the hometown

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Speaker 1: tonight is like, Joe, got it. You gotta beat that

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Speaker 2: So as she's telling the story, I was asking questions like, well,

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Speaker 1: And stuff? I was, you know, going deep. I was

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Speaker 2: Barbara Walter's deep with it, trying to make her cry.

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Speaker 1: And as we're talking, she was like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking to her and she was like, I

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Speaker 1: Look and there's both of their faces, and Karen's especially,

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Speaker 1: and it's horrified. Behind my shoulder and what's happening, biggest nightmare.

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Speaker 2: What's happening is this and there's a girl in an

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Speaker 1: She fucking army rolled onto the She go on the

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Speaker 2: Stand it here so I to kick into fucking third

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Speaker 3: I was like, that is not cool, that is not cool,

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Speaker 1: You thank you. And turns out it was this girl's sister.

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Speaker 1: She just had the.

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Speaker 2: Exact information I was asking for. She came to provide.

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Speaker 1: But the sister took a beat. That's all she wanted

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Speaker 2: Well, I was like immediately picturing like a fucking bowie

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Speaker 2: like I'm mad about stuff I didn't get. I didn't

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Speaker 1: Then she came up and did such a fucking sister thing.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. She goes, You're forgetting this important

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Speaker 2: It was super perfectly what I realized those because I was,

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Speaker 1: No, I'm killing Those are not good intentions. And now

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Speaker 1: Even though I specifically told him you need to fucking

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Speaker 1: protect me. He was backstage smoking. Yeah, he doesn't smoke.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't Also, Stephen never moved from his spot.

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Speaker 1: Like the show, you couldn't take your finger off the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was that was kind of an That

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Speaker 1: It was a it was a real roller coasters. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: that was scary. What else have we done? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Also, do you want to just take a quick shoe

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Speaker 1: They're so good? Just tell the people work it own it.

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Speaker 1: That's why you're wearing them. I could walk in them.

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Speaker 1: This like the two times a year I wear heels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You've just like given up. I can't do it. I

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Speaker 2: I wore heels, and even those ones were like the

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Speaker 1: But when I went to put them.

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Speaker 2: On tonight, I was like, but fuck that ship And

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Speaker 1: The only yea dear more care, thank you? Oh follow spot,

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Speaker 1: here we go. That's the magic of theater. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to get her to come over shell.

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Speaker 2: But you know, uh, this is where I come alive.

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Speaker 1: I do. You can't tell right now, but I did

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Speaker 1: say suck it to my spanks. Just really no, I

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Speaker 1: just fell now you can kind of.

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Speaker 2: Yes, look at that woman, she's free, bucket, she get free.

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Speaker 1: Fuck it? Fuck at all?

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Speaker 4: Wait.

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Speaker 2: I think we have a couple more anecdotes for you.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, I can't remember anything. Well, here's mine.

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Speaker 2: When I was leaving my hotel tonight, the most lovely

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Speaker 1: This is what it was like. You walk by and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Tyler, and you're walking you lace. This

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Speaker 1: it's fancy fans, I know. Yeah, I spend that tour money, baby, fucket.

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Speaker 2: Did you see Patricia's wait, wait, don't tell me donut?

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Speaker 1: You got just a red square.

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Speaker 2: It's just Paula Poundstone's face, just a big, long tide,

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Speaker 1: Stephen had one too, it's paying great. Uh would you

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Speaker 2: was so hilarious. Yeah, absolutely flat for Stephen's donuts, I

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Speaker 1: It was jelly Field, which is pretty right on. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna there's you got your allergies, man, and don't

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Speaker 2: So what we do on this podcast is we guys.

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Speaker 1: Most of them got tickets, like the guy scalping, like

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Speaker 1: buy I one, get one free. There's a show. There's

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have anything else to do, so we

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you do the math, Am I wrong

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Speaker 2: No No, No, that this is the first time we

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, it's crazy, and so now this

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Speaker 2: Tour this and toured that, and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: We're always going to wear the same dress. What if

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Speaker 2: It's a black dress and it looks like a lot

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Speaker 1: You do jewel tones lately, though you might throw in

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Speaker 1: But I'm starting off.

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Speaker 2: Look this first show, I want us to just get

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Speaker 1: I want us to note this has.

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Speaker 2: Been a long time, like we were so young and

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Speaker 1: Are you guys gonna rush the stage? Anyway? Let's party.

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Speaker 1: Like I was thirty six when this came out. Oh

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Speaker 1: we're recording. Did we wear black? I don't know. We

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Speaker 1: joined the raf media. What do you think the rifle?

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Speaker 2: Take the pole, everything's content, Take the poll, join the raffle.

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Speaker 1: That's my version of an internet poll. All right, should

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Speaker 1: we get into it? Let's do it? All right, Let's

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Speaker 1: listen to Karen's story. Karen's versus Time about Bobby Jack Fowler.

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Speaker 2: It's my I'm first, right, yes, mom, Well I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do uh. This guy I didn't I didn't really

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Speaker 1: He's a man named Bobby Jack Fowler. And let's just

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell it like a story on the Rainy.

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Speaker 1: N Every time. It scares the shit out of us

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00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: when you guys do that. I didn't even start Stephens.

439
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: There's ever been a cute jump in the world.

440
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: It was that they don't even have any idea what

441
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: this guy's deal is.

442
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, we already keep it up. Look at him now.

443
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: She can't say he was a real nice, normal guy,

444
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: because clearly he's at there's just no it's like, oh,

445
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: did he do it? I'm not sure.

446
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, he is wearing he is wearing overalls with no shirt.

447
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: So I think I think he might be guilty. Oh no, yeah,

448
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: he got caught mid something.

449
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

450
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean either that or it's just like a denim

451
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: tank top.

452
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: Either way, either way, he should go to jail. Hi,

453
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: you know what that And I'm sure you guys are

454
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: very familiar with this, but I was up here, you know,

455
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: it was probably a decade ago at this point, and

456
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: I saw a newspaper Faces of Meth. Oh my favorite,

457
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, obsessed, my god, I wish Stephen, can

458
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: you find that right?

459
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: Can you put that up right now?

460
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: It was the best thing of Rolder is the Oregonian

461
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: did this thing of like people's mugshops across the years.

462
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: So it starts out he's like, you're sixteen, you get

463
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: arrested for whatever, shoplifting of nail polish, and then five

464
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: month shots in you look like you're sixty four, and

465
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: like number two or three you're like, oh, how do

466
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: you quit right now, and you're still kind of.

467
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Cute, moist, right, you could come back, could come back

468
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: and like stay out at the sun because we're sleeping

469
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: initials just like you're fine, and then.

470
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: At four like fuckl and then it's like this thirty

471
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: year old Bobby Jack liked meth. Let's just say that,

472
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: among other things, this is yeah, all right. On the

473
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: rainy night of January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, Newport residence,

474
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: Jennifer Essen, who was fifteen, and Carl Lee's, who is sixteen,

475
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: are last seen leaving Essen's boyfriend's house in the north

476
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: end of town.

477
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: They're headed toward Jennifer's.

478
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: House, where she lived with her brother and her sister

479
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: in law, Rocky and Barbara Tucker.

480
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: They never arrive.

481
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: Two and a half weeks later, loggers spot their bodies

482
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: in heavy brush above Mouloch Beach, about a mile from

483
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: where they were last seen. Both had been strangled five

484
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: months later, on June eighth, nineteen ninety five, are nude.

485
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: What that's my birthday? Okay, you like can't help but

486
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: say that. No, you had to say when it's your birthday, birthday, Sorry,

487
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: but that's my birthday. Anyways, tell me about a nude body.

488
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: I was fifteen.

489
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: Do you remember what your birthday party was like in

490
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five?

491
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: Fifteen fifteen? Now, no, I think that was I think

492
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: that was the last base of math. Oh yeah, no, no, okay,

493
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: makes sense, though it wasn't great all right.

494
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: Five months later, on George's birthday nineteen ninety five, a nude, bleeding,

495
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: thirty five year old woman with a rope tied around

496
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: her ankle jumps out of a second story window at

497
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: the tides In motel and runs into the night screaming

498
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: for help. Yeash, that's the beginning of my film. Right there,

499
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: She police, and she tells them that she had met

500
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: a man at the Anchor bar. They had shared a

501
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: couple of drinks, they'd played the poker machine, you know

502
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 2: how you do. And then they decide that they're going

503
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: to go on a trip to a nearby casino, but

504
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: he says he wants to take a shower first and

505
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: gets her to agree to come back to his motel room.

506
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: No, don't be that close to a naked stranger, you know, you.

507
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: Mean, right outside the bathroom door. Not still not good now?

508
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: But what if I tell you he showers in his overalls.

509
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: Does that change it? I make it okay.

510
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: Once they're in the motel room alone, the man tells

511
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: her he believes women like to be rigged. When she argued, yes,

512
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: we know that's not right. When she argued, the man

513
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: attacked her, punching her repeatedly, ripping her clothes off, tiedes

514
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: a rope around her ankle, saying he was going to

515
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: put her in the ocean.

516
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Oh.

517
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: The victim, believing she was about to die, bit him

518
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: and leapt out the window. Oh girl, whatever it takes,

519
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Whatever it takes. That man who was arrested on the

520
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: scene was.

521
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Jack fouls And where the picture comes up Stephen

522
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: Steven and then everyone does, yes, I see it. Here's

523
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: what I love. I sent him this stuff. I don't know.

524
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Seven minutes before I left to come to this theater.

525
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: He'd never talked about anything. Now, he never planned anything,

526
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: and he.

527
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: Knows that about us. It's so it's basically our fault,

528
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: but will never admit it. It's always Stephen's fault, all right.

529
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: Sally was a transient construction worker who traveled extensively across

530
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: North America. He spent time rabbiting around from British Columbia

531
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: and there very strange.

532
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: It makes it seem fun, and what he was doing

533
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: is not fun.

534
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: From British Columbia, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Texas, Oregon, South Carolina, Arizona, Tennessee,

535
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: and Washington State. During his travels, he developed an extensive

536
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: criminal record that included attempted murder.

537
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Sexual assault, and firearms offences.

538
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: Just developing a record, but seemingly able to leave after

539
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: he develops that record. For some reason, he liked alcohol, amphetamines,

540
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: meth and phetamines. He liked to travel far and wide

541
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: and beat up cars and.

542
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Pick up hitchhikers. That could sound like he beat up

543
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: he'd like beat up cars. He doesn't.

544
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you do enough meth, you can beat up

545
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: a car. And that is the pro side to math

546
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: no one ever talks about.

547
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: That's one of the few bonuses. Yes, you look very old,

548
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: but you can beat up a car.

549
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: He spent lots of time in bars and motels.

550
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

551
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: He believed that. Uh. He believed that.

552
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: Women he came into contact with who were hitchhiking and

553
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: hanging out bars wanted to be sexually assaulted.

554
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Listen, I hang out in the fucking bars and I

555
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: don't want that. Yeah, I feel like a quick poll

556
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: he would be proven wrong. So here's talk about a

557
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: couple of his arrests.

558
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, Bobby Jack was charged Bobby Jack.

559
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: Bobby Jack was charged with murdering a man and a

560
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: woman in Texas, but he was only convicted of discharging

561
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: a firearm within city limits towards.

562
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: The inside of a person. Yeah, I guess how the

563
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: fuck does that work?

564
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't a problem for some reason. He also spent

565
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: time in a Tennessee prison for sexual assault and attempted

566
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: murder because, in the words of the investigator, he tied

567
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: a woman up, beat the hell out of her with

568
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: his with her own belt, covered her up with brush, and.

569
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Left her to die.

570
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: So and during his nineteen ninety five trial for the

571
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: sexual assault at the Tides motel, he fought the kidnapping charge.

572
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: So he had a real problem with the fact that

573
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: he was being sexual assault. He was like, yeah, whatever,

574
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: But kidnapping he was very offended by because he claimed

575
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: that woman was in the motel room on her own

576
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: accord and that she threw herself out the window voluntarily

577
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: shouldn't be his problem, and so because of that he

578
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: filed a three million dollar lawsuit claiming violation of his

579
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: civil liberties. He lost too, so on January eighth, nineteen

580
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: ninety six, Fowler is convicted of kidnapping the first degree,

581
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: attempted rape in the first degree, sexual abuse in the

582
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: first degree, coercion, assault in the fourth degree, and menacing.

583
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: He was sentenced to sixteen years three months with the

584
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: possibility of parole. But he died of lung cancer in

585
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: prison in two thousand and eight.

586
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Esay, but there's a butt. Here's where it starts getting

587
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: good or bad, worse, upsetting, and sits murdery, you know.

588
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: So the police, because of this arrest, have Bobby.

589
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: Jack Fowler's DNA and they put it into the system.

590
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: They put it into the motherboard, into the mainframe. So

591
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: in May of twenty twelve, Inner Poll informs the Canadian

592
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: police that has received a positive hit from a DNA

593
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: sample on a sixteen year old murder. A sixteen year

594
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: old murder victim named Colleen McMillan. She had been murdered

595
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four, and back then the Canadian Mounties

596
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: had taken a piece of her blouse that they believed

597
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: to have semen on it, and they put it away

598
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: and saved it, and so that when DNA testing came

599
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: into possibility, they had that They had that DNA makeup

600
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: waiting to be tested and in the system. So when

601
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: fucking Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA comes through the system, inner

602
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: poll finds that they are a match, so other board

603
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: lights up.

604
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: That's right, the mainframe goes berserk.

605
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: Colleen McMillan in nineteen seventy four had gone out to

606
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: meet friends. The last thing she said to her little

607
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: brother before she left the house.

608
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Was don't tell mom, I'm hitchhiking.

609
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Her body was found a month later off a logging

610
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: road thirty miles from her home.

611
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: She'd been strangled today. Yet brother did not live a

612
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: good life after that. I bet no.

613
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I think that was probably pretty dark. So the DNA

614
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: belonged to American Roofer. That's how he's described in this

615
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: article cut and paste American Roofer Fella. That's the New

616
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: History Channel series American Roofers, where a fucking lunatic on

617
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: meth walk goes around strangling everybody.

618
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: That's very weird. Well, you can describe him anyway. Yeah,

619
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: and they picked Rufer.

620
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: That hit was the oldest hit on a DNA sample

621
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: in Interpol history. So essentially, from the murder of Colleen

622
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: McMillan in Canada in nineteen seventy four to the attempted rape,

623
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: kidnapping and sexual assault in Newport in nineteen ninety five,

624
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: there is a twenty one year gap where Bobby Jack

625
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: Fowler was driving around North America fucking shit up.

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: Wow.

627
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: So because they see that and they start connecting. So

628
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: he basically is a He is a big suspect in

629
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the trail of Highway of Tears murders.

630
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: So he's been, he's been.

631
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: The Colleen's murder is considered one of the Highway of

632
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Tears murders, one of the earliest ones. But most of

633
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: those murders are First Nation women, which is why no

634
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: one ever hears about them because it's Native America or sorry,

635
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: Native Canadian which they call First Nation women up there,

636
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: and they get no press. Nobody talks about them, and

637
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: that's why they had to start. They started a task

638
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: force in two thousand and six in Canada because so

639
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: many women, especially First Nation were disappearing along Highway sixteen,

640
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: which cuts across British Columbia. It's an east west highway

641
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: used by truckers and loggers, and so many women have

642
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: disappeared off of this highway that they actually have to

643
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: start a task force for it. And Bobby Jack Fowler

644
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: is now connected to at least three of the murdered

645
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: women that had been found on the Highway of Tears.

646
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: But also they're looking at him in connection with the

647
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: May third, nineteen ninety two killings of Melissa Sanders and

648
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: Sheila Swanson seventeen and nineteen respectively, both of Sweet Home.

649
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: They had been camping with their family at Beverly Beach

650
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: and they were last seen at eleven o'clock outside of

651
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: a grocery store in Beverly Beach and they were looking

652
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: for a ride home. Their bodies were found two and

653
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: a half months later, fifty feet from a logging road.

654
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: So basically, the police believe Bobby Jack Fowler may have

655
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: killed minimum twenty people but fortue in the US and Canada,

656
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: but they think it's more likely above forty.

657
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: So he's fucking He's a regular world serial killer. He's

658
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: a legit, straight up serial killer.

659
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never even I've never heard of him, and

660
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: he there was, there's there's a bunch more if you

661
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: look him up, I would definitely because it's there's all

662
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: these they are.

663
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Trying to.

664
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: They're trying to connect him to these murders. There's so

665
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: many murders on the Highway of Tears and he they

666
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: thought they had him for like nine, but then when

667
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: they some of them, it's only circumstantial evidence, so they

668
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: can actually only prove three, which is a fucking lot.

669
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: But between there and then all the shit that he did.

670
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: In America, he is like Ted Bundy level serial killer

671
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: that no one's ever heard of, and you know, did

672
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff right here in Portland. So congratulations everybody,

673
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: well done, Bobby Jack, Thank you, good job.

674
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Jab Okay, we're back, Karen, do you have any updates?

675
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: No new updates on Fowler him. He is still considered

676
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: a suspect in multiple murders along the Highway of Tiers,

677
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: but nothing has been proven since his death in two

678
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: thousand and six.

679
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Very frustrating.

680
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: So Highway sixteen has been since twenty seventeen, there's been

681
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: progress in making it safer, like subsidized bus services along

682
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Highway sixteen new cell towers covering those long stretches of

683
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: dead zones that have been there. They're meaningful changes, but

684
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: they're just for steps. The Canadian National Inquiry into Missing

685
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls released its final report

686
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, officially calling this violence a form of

687
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: genocide and issuing hundreds of calls for justice. So there's

688
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: been a lot of community led action. Indigenous led groups

689
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: like the Tiers to Hope Society create growing awareness and

690
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: healing spaces for the people that have been affected by

691
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: these murders. They do things like relay runs, community safety workshops,

692
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: and if you want to know more about getting involved,

693
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: you can go to Tears to Hopesociety dot com and

694
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: check out what they offer. I was very moved because

695
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: last year at the Emmys, Difarah Wuna Tai, who was

696
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: nominated as Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy for Reservation Dogs,

697
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: which if you haven't seen that show, it is brilliant,

698
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: it is amazing. He went there. He wore a black

699
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: tuxedo with the red hand over his face. So his

700
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: first big moment at an award show, he went and

701
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: represented missing and murdered inn just woment.

702
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I just think that's like incredible.

703
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: I saw it and I was like, you are so badass,

704
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: and this is so important, and you like like eyes

705
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: on the prize for him in that way and so

706
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: many people when you look up. I was just trying

707
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: to make sure I had all the information right. All

708
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: the Google searches are why does the guy have the

709
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: red hand at the Emmys. So people saw it and

710
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: were like, what is this about? Like just imagine how

711
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: many people he made aware of this, Like in genocide

712
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: as the Native people believe it to be.

713
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: It's like it is.

714
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: No one's doing anything about murders that have been happening

715
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: for years and years and years.

716
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad it's getting that title.

717
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a long way to go. Canadian and

718
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: US governments really need to serve indigenous populations better. These

719
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: people deserve justice and they deserve safety. Yeah, it's a

720
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: heavy story.

721
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: We didn't know yet at live shows and even at

722
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: regular not live shows to end with the positive stories,

723
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: So these are just both bad, both terrible.

724
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: It's April twenty seventeen. We were just getting on our

725
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: live show feet learning these lessons of if there's a

726
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: drink special at the bar. You have to have a

727
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: stage high enough so people can't jump onto it. There's rules,

728
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: there's ways to do things. Okay, So here's George's story,

729
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: same show about the Kleine Falls hatchet attack.

730
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: All right, sit back, relax. This one's got a little

731
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: something for everyone. You're gonna like this one, I think, so,

732
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: I hope. So, I don't know. I just said that.

733
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: So this one was suggested to me by our friend Katzulan,

734
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: who's here, who a lot of you guys have her

735
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: shirt design on. So a lot of the state, the

736
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: State of the Forest one and the regular you're gonna

737
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: call your dad's all Cat's design. She's already pollented, and

738
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: so she said. I was like, what do I do?

739
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: And She's like, read this book called A Strange Piece

740
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: of Paradise. It's my woman named Terry Jens and it

741
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: is about the Kleine Falls State Park hatchet attack. What

742
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: the fuck this is? That's what it looks like. What's

743
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: that guy's pelvis have to do? I'll tell you all

744
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: about it. Climb Fall State Park is on the banks

745
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: of the Dashoots River in central Oregon, and it's basically,

746
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: do you guys go there for summer. There the park

747
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: provides fishing access to the river. In nineteen seventy six,

748
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the Trans America Bicycle Trail was the first bicycle touring

749
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: route to cross the US, traveling between Astoria, Oregon and Yorktown, Virginia,

750
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: mostly rural two lane highways. It was an eighty day

751
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: It was called the Bike Centennial Trail because it was

752
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: a bison tunnel. Y'll and it was like, ride this trail.

753
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: It was a fun play on marks. Yeah, I get it.

754
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: It took you along mostly rural two lane highways. It

755
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: was an eighty day, forty two hundred mile trip. So

756
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven to Yale undergraduates Terry Jens and

757
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Shana Weiss are spending the summer before their junior year

758
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: riding the Bike Centennaial Trail. They were seven days in

759
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: and they stopped to camp at Climb Falls State Park,

760
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: which you're not actually out to park, but to camp there.

761
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: But they didn't know that it's near Redmond, Oregon. Both

762
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: when they get there they mentioned having a creepy feeling

763
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: like they're being watched, but they both ignored that feeling

764
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: because it's like, what are you going to be like,

765
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: let's get the fuck out of here, you know what

766
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah? Nah, if you're just like I a

767
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: feeling and it could be like a deer, right, I

768
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like a really busy body deer. Yeah,

769
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: it's just up in your fucking business. Yeh.

770
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: When did you guys check in? You're not allowed to

771
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: camp here?

772
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my area. Yeah, you don't want to

773
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: see what I do at night. That's why you can't

774
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: camp here. It gets real weird.

775
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: She's somehow that deer has curtains.

776
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: You busybody, deer, busybody deer. Well, they settle in for

777
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: a bed around ten thirty and then around eleven thirty pm,

778
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: they're awakened when a truck drives into and over their tent.

779
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: What uh? They think that at first it must be

780
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: like an accident, a bunch of drunk teenagers, but Terry

781
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: expects to hear them freaking out, but instead, here's what

782
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: sounds like a single person get out of the truck.

783
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: Then she hears Shana scream leave us alone, and here's

784
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the first blow of the hatchet. Then she hears six

785
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: quick more blows, and she says at that point, I

786
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: knew we were being murdered by a single psycho. And

787
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: then he turns his attention to Terry. She says, he's

788
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: above me. I'm threshing from side to side, and I

789
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of a piece of wood. I feel

790
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: a punk of cold metal and start to lose consciousness.

791
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: At that point, she said she knew she was going

792
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: to die, but a voice in her head said, I'm

793
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: too young to die. So she opens her eyes and

794
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: standing over her was a meticulously dressed cowboy astraddling me

795
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: on each side. I could see the boots, the pant legs,

796
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: the shirt meticulously tucked into his pants.

797
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: But his what sorry, like a type a cowboy?

798
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: That what you said? Yeah, I hate the idea of

799
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: that so much. You even put that up again. That's

800
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: where that comes in. Oh I hate his pelvis. Yeah

801
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: see it.

802
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: I feel like he would have gotten those jeans tailored

803
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 2: for sure.

804
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, she said that they were like perfectly you know,

805
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: around his boots in the exact way there, just like

806
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: not a she said, not a bulge of his cowboys

807
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: shirt was out of place.

808
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: Everything was in place, even though he had just fucking

809
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: driven over people.

810
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: And hacked them with an hatchet mm hmm. But she

811
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: said he couldn't she couldn't see his face. His head

812
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: disappeared in the darkness, but she said she could see

813
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: the axe or hatchet poised above her, and he brings

814
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: it down slowly, like as if to you know what's

815
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: it called? Yeah, aim, And she grabs the hatchet right

816
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: here like she's praying and says to him, please go away,

817
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: take whatever you want, but go away and leave us alone.

818
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: And he fucking leaves. Sorry, you got you got questions?

819
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: Go for it?

820
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: Do you think he was so fucking like tightly wound?

821
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: He's like, well, she did ask politely. I want to

822
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: murder her so badly, but she has such good manners.

823
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I know.

824
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: I Also there's something about like a cowboy. They're supposed

825
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: to be this certain way, you know what I mean.

826
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be like little ma'am, come on, let

827
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: me serve you some beans, like it's all supposed to be.

828
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, jump on my horse with me.

829
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: They're not supposed to fucking they don't even think they

830
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: use hatchets.

831
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't think they do.

832
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't.

833
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think got it. I think why would they

834
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: need to that's for the logger or the house houseman. Yeah.

835
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: She feels around the tent for her contacts, puts them

836
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: in with bloody fingers. What oh, how impossible. I stand

837
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: there for fucking twenty minutes in my background.

838
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't mean to question the victim, but I want

839
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: more information about those contact lines.

840
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: And then she finds her flashlight. Listen, I don't fuck

841
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: it work contacts.

842
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: You tell me, Okay, they're fucking impossible to put in

843
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: and take out.

844
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: One time I.

845
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: Thought one was stuck to my eye forever, and it

846
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: was very upsetting the idea that you would even try

847
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: to do contacts in a tent.

848
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Who are they?

849
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 5: What?

850
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: Okay?

851
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, this is really triggering. Yes, I'm very upset

852
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: from the cowboy thing. Then you went straight into bloody contacts.

853
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: Carry Carrion doesn't want to fucking I'm right now, I'm

854
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: that dear.

855
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is going on over there?

856
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 6: You're disgusting, wear glasses for the weekend, your gritty hands

857
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 6: in your eyes, bloody, bloody pretty hands.

858
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: Fucking Okay, I'm a little bit keyed up in this

859
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: glassy right now, we.

860
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: Never getting one of these my life blood, your life contact,

861
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: your life blood. Con don't go back, I gonna go Okay,

862
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Stephen cut them. Okay. She gets a flash it. She

863
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: gets out of the crush tent. She sees headlights down

864
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: the park road and she's like, is that the fucking

865
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: maniac killer or is that just someone driving through? So

866
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: she runs over to it, and I'm like, fuck it,

867
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: I gotta figure it out. It's two teenagers driving through

868
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: the park. Worst case, what if they were the killers?

869
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: There was a couple they had just gotten in a fight,

870
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: because teenagers just you know, getting fights. Seriously, she said

871
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: that serious.

872
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: So they're all like arms crossed, like why are you

873
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: so bloody?

874
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: And then it's like, can you imagine being like a

875
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl and your man at your boyfriend

876
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: because he talked to this girl but night like she

877
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: just asked for a cigaret and gave her one, said,

878
00:46:52,360 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and then suddenly, bloody person, can you help me? Oh

879
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: my hair? Shit?

880
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 2: Those teenagers are got married or broke up, right Then

881
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: they were like.

882
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's not that important that she asked

883
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: you for a cigarette. No more in the skin of

884
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: a thing.

885
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, I realized I have some perspective as a sixteen

886
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: year old now that hatchet murders are happening.

887
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: Fifty feet away from me. Let's see. So the two

888
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: teenage are drink to the park. They find her covered

889
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: in blood. She fls them down and then they were

890
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: like get in, and she was like, no, my friend

891
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: come follow me. And my friend is here, and so

892
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: the teens follow her and they find the friend by

893
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the river and her she's lost consciousness, her head is off,

894
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: fucking hit up, and then they bring her to the

895
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: car and the teens take them both to the hospital

896
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: in critical condition. Guess what what, they both survived. Thank god,

897
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm right, Jesus. I wasn't going to tell you that

898
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: before I told you about all the hatchet shit, just

899
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: because then you would be able to breathe a sigh of.

900
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: Relief, and I didn't want you to die. That's good,

901
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: that's good storytelling. Yes, it's tension. You use that tension.

902
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Yep.

903
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: Also, so it would have been such a mummer if

904
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: she had died, because we were riffing right before.

905
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: No one wanted to really laugh. Yeah you can m yeah, no,

906
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: we can do it. No, you didn't know they weren't

907
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna die. We just did it because that's what we're like.

908
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: We do, that's what we're like. Um okay there. Uh.

909
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Shane is suffering from serious head injuries and that's the friend.

910
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: And Terry has a broken right leg, two broken arms,

911
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: one of which is severely hacked by the axe, and

912
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: there's a tire print left temporarily on her body.

913
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Can you fucking do sorry? Is that the girl that

914
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: talked to the teenagers?

915
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? Two broken arms and a broken leg. She tried

916
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: to She fucking still ran over to.

917
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: The Yeah, because she was on like she was in

918
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: crazy adrenaline mode.

919
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, enough to put her puck in contacts.

920
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: In Apparently, when adrenaline hits, the first thing you want

921
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: to do is touch her fucking.

922
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Iris up, bunch, you think she got her sailing? No,

923
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm just taking an asshole. She's got this. She swirls

924
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: them around a little bit. Is that what you do?

925
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: Investigators have no description of the car, no white witnesses,

926
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: no sign of the weapon, no fingerprints, so aside from

927
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: sketches made of the truck's tire tracks. The investigation quickly

928
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: goes cold. So in the years following, both women recover.

929
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Shana has permanently impaired vision, a loss of memory of

930
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: the tech and doesn't want to fucking talk about it,

931
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: and they stop talking to each other. But I know,

932
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: but Terry goes back to Yale finishes. She's just like

933
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: a badass. Fifteen years later, she goes back to fucking

934
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: find the person who did it and writes this goddamn

935
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: book about it. Oh that's her book. Yeah, holy shit,

936
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: you got the other one. I got to read that book?

937
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: Is that her? Yeah? Wow? I have to say, don't

938
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: listen to the audiobook. Read it. It's the audio books. Sorry, Yeah,

939
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: don't read you recommend the book book. Read it right

940
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: before beds. That'll give you nightmares. Yeah, read it. It's

941
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: just because the woman who reads it is Southern, and

942
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: it just like it doesn't make sense in you know

943
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, because they're just like listening to

944
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: a Southern accent. But the woman isn't Southern.

945
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: That you know what that's I realize I just bought

946
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: the Errol Morris book that's about the one that's not

947
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: the one that you did. The story abook Doctor Jeffrey McDonald,

948
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: Is that you did Sam Shepherd, Jeffer McDonald, Sam Shepherd. Okay,

949
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: so I bought the audiobook about Jeffer MacDonald and the

950
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: guy that's reading it sounds like an alien that's trying

951
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: to blend in with human beatings, and it.

952
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: Is so distract it is really it's an art form.

953
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I've realized for fucking years and years. So she goes

954
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: fucking back. But after three years, the statute of limitations

955
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: has expired. On attempted murder, on fucking tempted murder, on

956
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: being years Oregon, on being a super neat cowboy, on

957
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: running over people in their tenth that are sleeping and

958
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: hatchetting them. Fuck, three years, you're free. Yeah, so it's unsolved.

959
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: In ninety ninety two, she realized she's suffering from PTSD

960
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: and she goes back to investigate. She goes to Redman

961
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: with a video camera or a notepad, and she starts

962
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: fucking knocking on doors and she says, remember me, I'm

963
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: this girl, and everyone is like, oh fuck, like everyone

964
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: had it really had hit them because it was a

965
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: really nice town and they were so embarrassed that had

966
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: happened in their town. They were just like shit, man,

967
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: this like we're sorry.

968
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, that became their hometown murderer totally. They were like,

969
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 2: did you hear about that? Fucking say shit that happened?

970
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she starts to come police files and interview

971
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: anyone who would talk to her. Nearly all the official

972
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: records of the attack, interviews, physical evidence, crimestune photos had

973
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: been purged, but she's able to find a thirty page report,

974
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: and even that took a lot of effort. The first

975
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: sess she's airas in on is a convicted child luster

976
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: named Richard Wayne Godwin. He was known to have killed

977
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: a five year old girl and kept her skull as

978
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: a candle holder. He's in prison for that murder, and

979
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: all the clues about the attack seemed to point in

980
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: his direction, and of course I'm like, damn, I like

981
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: anyone who comes up damn. Yeah. A female relative of

982
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: his was camping at Kleinfell State Park that night, and

983
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: it's possible he was pissed at her and did this attack,

984
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: but various details, he convinces her that it wasn't him,

985
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: but he is up for parole, so she fucking hell

986
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: knows that and goes in and proceeds to intervene on

987
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: his parole hearing to oppose an early release. Shit, yeah,

988
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: which worked, that's nice.

989
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just all she did is walking and go

990
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: just quick note candle holder skull, you guys go.

991
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: Bye, see you guys later. What the fuck do you

992
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: need me to do? Okay, So, with the help of

993
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the teenage girl who is in the rescue car that night,

994
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: the night she was attacked, as well as other locals

995
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: who had everyone was like, well we know who, Terry

996
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: finds out about a local man who was a teenager

997
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: at the time of her attack. Less than twenty four

998
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: hours after the attack, Dirk Duran beat his teenage girlfriend

999
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: so badly that she was put in the hospital. Her

1000
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: parents tried to file charges against him, but they were

1001
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: told that since they were both miners, to just forget it.

1002
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best way to deal with anything, really, that's.

1003
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely they judge told them that, Yeah, well he would

1004
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: know best. Teenagers. They are always beating, They always of

1005
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: each other friend and try to drown them in front

1006
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: of an entire bunch of people. She the girl tells

1007
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: Terry that the night of the attack, she and Dirk

1008
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: had gotten in a huge fight that had been broken

1009
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: up by her dad around eleven PM that Dirk had

1010
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: left in a rage and after the attack the time

1011
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: of the attack, showed up at her house high on drugs.

1012
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: She remembered that a tool and the next day he

1013
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: beat the shit at her. She remembers that a toolbox

1014
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: in Dirk's pickup truck where he always he always stored

1015
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: a hatchet, and that toolbox was missing. And then she

1016
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: realized something else was different about his trucks that night

1017
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: or that in that time. She said, I noticed he

1018
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: had changed the tires on the front of his pickup.

1019
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: She visited the scene of the alleged attack and said

1020
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: she recognized the tire tracks from Jerk's car without a

1021
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt. She said, I knew it was him. Shit,

1022
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: he could turn from this really nice yes, ma'am, thank you, ma'am,

1023
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: to satan in his eyes. I mean, it was just

1024
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: like two different people night and day. And then Terry

1025
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: found out from locals that he had an axe that

1026
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: had or like a hatchet or an axe that had

1027
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: his initials carved in it that went missing after the attack,

1028
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: and he told people that he hurt someone with it

1029
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: and had to get rid of it. The cops question

1030
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: him about it. Who sorry, who did he tell he

1031
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: was like anyone who would listen. Every person she fucking

1032
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: interviewed this book is tits like anyone like it's legit,

1033
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: anyone who will listen. She fucking he fucking is like

1034
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: he just.

1035
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: Moses up to the bar bay y'all because he knew

1036
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: he was.

1037
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: The suspect and everyone believed it, so he would just

1038
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: bring it up with people because everyone his nickname became

1039
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Dirk the hatchet Man. No, yep, Dirk durand the Hatchetman.

1040
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: Well that actually fits really nicely. I have to say. Yeah,

1041
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: it's not like Dirk durand the like the guy that

1042
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: ran over some gals, right, dirked aurand the sword man

1043
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: as well, immediate suspect and everyone thinks he did it

1044
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: got that name he'd been okay, So he'd been adopted

1045
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: at a young age, and his parents were pillars of

1046
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: the community and they ignored their adopted sons of many

1047
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: abnormalities and issues, including rage and bullying and terry suspects

1048
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: that law enforcement did at the time as well, because

1049
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: his dad was like a big man. Terry is told

1050
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: that Dirk's mom had always coddled him, including doing his

1051
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: laundry for him and making sure that his signature cowboy out.

1052
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: It was always meticulous, even making cowboy shirts for him.

1053
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh, handmade, mom made cowboy shirts.

1054
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk about when you're data guy and

1055
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: his mom does did his laundry and you're like, oh no.

1056
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Get out, get out right now in theaters, now get out.

1057
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: That is one of the clients. I you ask every

1058
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: guy date or dated? So when did you start doing

1059
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: your laundry? Because I want to know if you're a

1060
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: fucking child, You're like, I'm not sure. Mom, bring her in.

1061
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: During the investigation, Dirk is given two polygraphs, so the

1062
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: investigation gets opened back up because this bitch is fucking

1063
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: stirn some shit up. Yeah she is, yeah girl. During

1064
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: the investigation, Dirk's given two polygraphs, fails them both, and

1065
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: when the examiner tells him this, he cowers and starts bawling.

1066
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: When he's told, reaches out holding the hands or armed arm.

1067
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: We don't know, saying I didn't do it, but maybe

1068
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe that terry works with Dirk. You do

1069
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: know you can't you can say nothing that's also an

1070
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: aw show, or you can admit to it. Because the

1071
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: statue of motherfucking limitations is a so you can be like, yeah,

1072
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm my gondn it son of a bitch. Okay. Terry

1073
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: worked with victims' advocates groups Rights to change the statute

1074
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: de limitations unattempted murder in Oregon. It's eliminated in ninety six,

1075
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: so thank Terry among other Wow, so there's none at all,

1076
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: none at all anymore. Tell your friends. Yeah, but it's

1077
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: not retroactive. Oh well yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean,

1078
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: he served four years in jail for a crime he

1079
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: committed against a hunting partner. The reason he's nailed is

1080
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: because I clearly copied and paste that because I would

1081
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: never say that. It is because that she'd brought him

1082
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: to the attention of the police and they needed to

1083
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: fucking do something. They were watching him carefully. Ultimately, though,

1084
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: she's never able to prove conclusively that he's the attacker.

1085
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: And then so she said, and the book is really

1086
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: fucking amazing because as she's doing this, she's like finally

1087
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: coming to terms with all what happened, because she used

1088
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: to make you know, how we do, like, yeah, I

1089
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: got a tech when I was you know, like and

1090
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: showing the scar and being like, this is a badge

1091
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: of honor, and look how I got past this and

1092
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm successful. And then suddenly she's like, I'm I have

1093
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: ptsc so she goes back. So she learned, she said,

1094
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I learned that traumatic memory gets stored in the brain

1095
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: differently than other memories. When a trauma occurs, it isn't

1096
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: stored in a narrative with a beginning, of middle, and

1097
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: an end. It gets stored in fragments, like shards of

1098
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: broken glass. So one of the things that I found

1099
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: profoundly healing for everyone to do is to put those

1100
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: fragments together in a narrative with a beginning, a middle,

1101
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: in and end, so you can tell the story of it.

1102
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: You can corporate incorporate it, and begin to make sense

1103
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: of it. So that's what she did with this book,

1104
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: even though she couldn't get this guy to justice. And

1105
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: that is Terry Gents and her book A strange piece

1106
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: of paradise. Nice Terry Gents.

1107
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: I love I love that because that must have been

1108
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: so hard.

1109
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: That must have been the hardest.

1110
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: Thing in the world to walk away from, like a

1111
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: successful life and pretending that you're good with everything and

1112
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: diving back into the deepest shit, ye, and putting it

1113
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: together like he could just.

1114
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: Came going and she was successful and doing well, but

1115
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: she just wouldn't fucking like that. She kind of probably

1116
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it. No, totally down. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,

1117
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: well done Terry. Gents. Yeah, if you know Terry or

1118
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: work with her, please tell her. We say hi, yeah,

1119
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: should we tell us a good story? Thank you? Yeah, Okay,

1120
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: we're back. Do you have updates for that horrible story?

1121
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Kind of So, Dirk Duran was a pseudonym that Terry

1122
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: used for her attacker in her book, but in coverage

1123
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: of this case, some media outlets have used his real name.

1124
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: But I wanted to flag that Terry chose to give

1125
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: him a fake name because she was wary of giving

1126
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: him attention and or potentially endangering women who might reach

1127
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: out looking to reform him. So it's just just a

1128
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: little update.

1129
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a really smart and unbelievable kind of like

1130
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: thing to be aware of that there is this kind

1131
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: of like part of the population that has this very

1132
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: strange attraction to these horrifying men.

1133
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just very smarggling smuggling. All right, Well, we

1134
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: got so lucky and we got a great hometown from Portland.

1135
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: From an audience member, this is a story about her

1136
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: weekend with Susan Monicah.

1137
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we figure out a hometown for to hear

1138
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: from people?

1139
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: Can you? If possible? Can we just bring the lights

1140
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: up at tiny bit so we can just see we

1141
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: know this. The show's almost over. When my tissue we

1142
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: got it goes all the way up there? Hi, I

1143
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: didn't know you didn't need but this is the third show.

1144
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: I know, but I didn't. I honestly haven't seen that part.

1145
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: And there's Stephen right there. He and then he was

1146
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: there and they were there see here.

1147
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: No, I still can't see him because I haven't put

1148
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: my contact.

1149
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: I refuse to do it anymore. Your hands, Yeah, and

1150
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: get it together.

1151
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: Does anybody have a good hometown murderer?

1152
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good story, Karen Picks.

1153
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: Do you promise, okay? Come up these stairs? Oh?

1154
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: I got a thing. HI, give this person a hand. Hey,

1155
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: what's your name?

1156
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: Ms?

1157
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: Nicole? Nicole care it's no call. Everybody call for Nicole.

1158
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I like you.

1159
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 5: Okays go wrong because my sister Angela is the one

1160
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 5: that brought me and she turned me onto you, guys,

1161
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 5: she's amazing. Okay, you want to sneak up.

1162
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: Here looking character, give me, don't roll up on the stage, girl,

1163
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: fucking pull a gun on you. You should have seen the

1164
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: way my tone changed last night. It went from like, girl,

1165
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: look at this drugs, look at this dress. Everyone that's

1166
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: Sami is that's what we'll get around around.

1167
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Yes, for one.

1168
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: Second I thought you were going to fall off the

1169
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: stage when you took a turn that scared.

1170
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: The ship of a maid. Yeah, okay, guys, sisters don't

1171
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: have to talking to microphones. Coole, and what's yournavor is?

1172
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: What's your name name? Angela? Angela, Angela? Okay, we try

1173
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: it again, Angela.

1174
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but Nicole's telling the story and then angel

1175
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: is going to do backup if need be.

1176
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I'm the Carrien's Karen clearly Karen. Yeah, forgot.

1177
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 5: So I have to be completely honest. So a few

1178
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 5: years what five years ago now, probably I was in

1179
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: the throes of drug addiction. So I spent a lot

1180
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 5: of time in and out of jail.

1181
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: Which, to interrupt, That's part of why I love you, guys,

1182
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: because you're so honest about it.

1183
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: And we know that we can be successful. Have we've

1184
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: gotten pass a lot?

1185
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: That is a big thing at the back, We're glad

1186
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: you're here.

1187
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: It's real.

1188
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 5: In one of my throes of let's still be drug addicts.

1189
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 4: I ended up in jail for a weekend.

1190
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 5: It was the longest weekend of my life because I

1191
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 5: ended up in jail with Susan what is her last.

1192
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 4: Susan Monica, the pig farm lady.

1193
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 5: Yes, and she was from Klamath Falls Grands Past area.

1194
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 5: And I ended up in jail with her, and I

1195
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 5: ended up having to be sober.

1196
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: It was terrible.

1197
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 4: And she's scared the living crap out of me. She is.

1198
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 5: She's a tall woman, and she is completely hairless. She

1199
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 5: has no hair at all whatsoever. And I was completely

1200
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 5: unaware of the situation is going on in my own

1201
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 5: town because I was so consumed with myself.

1202
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: I was like, give me drugs or give me nothing.

1203
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: So I ended up in jail with her.

1204
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 5: She's completely hairless. Apparently she had fed bodies to her pigs.

1205
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm smarty.

1206
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 4: I don't even know how many victims.

1207
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she had, like.

1208
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: I guess and friends, Hold on a second, you know,

1209
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: what that cool?

1210
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love when I get a chance to do that. Yes,

1211
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: that is her.

1212
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: She was talking to them.

1213
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so go ahead and you tell the story.

1214
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 5: I ended up with her, and she had court and

1215
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 5: they came and got her and.

1216
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 4: They gave her a wig.

1217
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 5: She was mad about the way because it wasn't her

1218
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 5: natural haircut made her a wig.

1219
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: Wait. Sorry, So she had like alopecia.

1220
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 5: Or something, Yeah, something where she was completely hairless and

1221
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 5: was losing weight consistently.

1222
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 4: She by the time I met her, she will do

1223
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: that to you.

1224
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, by the time I met her, she said she

1225
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 5: had lost like fifty pounds or something.

1226
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: She was just skin.

1227
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: Who did she kill? She killed the workers on her farm,

1228
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: from what I remember.

1229
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 5: And then used their EBT food cards after they were

1230
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 5: already dead.

1231
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: What did she was also on me? She lo what

1232
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: did she? What was she like when you were in jail.

1233
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 5: So here's the creepiest thing is that, because I was

1234
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 5: so sober, I was so scared of her once I

1235
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 5: realized who she was and there was only two other

1236
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 5: girls in there. It wasn't like it was a big dorm.

1237
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: It's four little beds with no TV, and it's the

1238
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 4: weekend you're not getting out till Monday.

1239
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: And jail, right, I was on the right right.

1240
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 5: I was on the top bunk, and I was reading

1241
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 5: I since I've been in and autjail so much, the

1242
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 5: officer is kind of new, so they always left me

1243
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 5: a pile of books.

1244
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: Well yeah, so nice consider it.

1245
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 5: And I was laying on the top bunk and my

1246
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 5: book fell down and I was too scared to move

1247
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: a muscle. So she gets up, she gets my book,

1248
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 5: she puts it on top of my bunk with me,

1249
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 5: and then tucks me into this.

1250
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: I died.

1251
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Did it look like a big thumb? Was tough about it?

1252
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 5: It was like this horrible blanket, this not warm, this

1253
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 5: crack a blanket. I'm in these clothes that smell like

1254
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 5: someone else, this murderer, this pig murder, like a good

1255
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 5: one that used the gun.

1256
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 4: Fed people.

1257
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: The pig.

1258
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: He has now put a blanket on top of me

1259
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 5: and touched me in.

1260
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 4: For the night.

1261
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: She's like night, no. No.

1262
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 5: What she says is are you doing okay? Are you

1263
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 5: coming down okay? I'm like, yes, thank you, Can.

1264
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: I roll over. You're helping me so much.

1265
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 5: The whole weekend she told me about her murder. She

1266
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: showed me all her court documents, all the paper she

1267
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 5: had in.

1268
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 4: The jail cell.

1269
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 5: She was constantly, constantly complaining she needed like the special

1270
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 5: meal with like no meat, everything has to be kosher

1271
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 5: and hi, yeah, And she showed me all our paperwork.

1272
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 5: She's like, they don't know, but I told them the

1273
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 5: body's here, and they won't listen to me.

1274
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, who's not listening to you? Tell them where

1275
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 4: the body is.

1276
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 5: She's showing me all these drawings and everything, and this

1277
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 5: other woman makes her dice so she can play the

1278
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 5: dice game.

1279
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 4: It was just the worst weekend of my life.

1280
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: But the highlight of my life is when I don't

1281
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: answer the call from prison because I don't have any

1282
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: money to answer. It's a collection.

1283
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: So her voicemail is just roommates with pig firm, lady

1284
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: roommates with pick.

1285
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm got yet, that's so sister, I do not in jail.

1286
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 4: She like, don't tell me what happened?

1287
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Tell me and are you gonna get clean?

1288
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 4: Is everything going on? Tell me more about the pig lady.

1289
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: Rocks the fucking bottom.

1290
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 5: Which and I will tell you guy, guys, the last time.

1291
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: I've ever been in jail.

1292
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: You. I mean, you know, here's the thing.

1293
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: If you went back to jail after that, it's just

1294
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: gonna be a disappointment.

1295
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna be as good at all. And

1296
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: you're like, they left me Shakespeare, but I don't even know.

1297
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: She was like motherly, you know what I mean.

1298
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 5: She wanted to talk to everyone, find out what their

1299
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 5: problems were.

1300
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 4: She wanted to like girls chat at night.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, give me something.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry for whatever I did to be here.

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Speaker 1: They're like cold and hot and sweating, and you're just.

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Speaker 5: Like, she's just like talking. She's showing you all her paperwork.

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01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 5: She's like and there's so much more that they don't know.

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Speaker 1: What don't they know? I'm gonna testify against you and

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Speaker 1: how this works.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to like stay calm the whole weekend, you know.

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Speaker 2: And coming down to take her your prison wives, do

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Speaker 2: you have to testify against your prison.

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Speaker 5: There could be a clause. I'm not sure exactly what

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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what if you did fall in love with

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Speaker 1: her though? How she guys meet.

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Speaker 5: It was the longest weekend by the time Monday came around,

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Speaker 5: and I knew I was getting to leave. I was like,

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Speaker 5: we'll have a good life and good luck with Cork.

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 5: Because you get convinced that she's gonna go home. She

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Speaker 5: just kept saying, well, I'm gonna to go home.

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna be able to do anything. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even find all the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Of Like, wait, her name is Susan what Susan Monica?

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Speaker 1: Susan Monica two first names.

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Speaker 2: I hate that farm killer a pig farm killer. And

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Speaker 2: she would feed the people that worked for her to

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Speaker 2: her pigs.

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Speaker 1: Did she kill them before him?

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Speaker 5: In one incident, she told me that she had killed

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Speaker 5: the guy and then didn't know what to do with

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Speaker 5: the body, so she just took it outside of the bar.

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Speaker 5: Is what she told me. She's like, I just let

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Speaker 5: you know, I just let the pigs take care of it.

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Speaker 5: They'll eat anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel bad about eating pig anymore.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, yeah, did she tell you that story?

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Speaker 2: As she was tucking you in, I laid the body

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Speaker 2: gently into the pig.

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Speaker 1: Mankin, is that warm enough for you? Did you know

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Speaker 1: pigs will eat any They will eat it apparently?

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Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, that is amazing.

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Speaker 2: That is a really amazing or Nicole, right, yes, Nicole, everybody,

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Speaker 2: what was your name again?

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Speaker 1: And angela backup sister. Yeah, that was incredibly right, you

1344
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: guys were great. That was fucking yeah, well done. Who's

1345
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: watching albums? Oh should? I forgot to get a cap sitter.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That was a sister team. That's fun.

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: That's good times. That's fun times.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened last night, except for the second

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Speaker 2: one was not invited on yesdaye except.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't fucking terrifying, and I didn't think my life

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: was ending. And then suck an army roll. Just I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it. That was beautiful. She did turn out

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Speaker 1: to be very nice and apologized on Yeah, lovely, lovely lady. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're back, Karen. I want to give us any updates

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: on this case.

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: There aren't really any updates. Susan Monica is still in

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: prison serving her fifty year sentence. She got convicted in

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and basically it's just that's it, just.

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Speaker 1: As awful as as it was. Yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: so this episode was originally titled Live at Revolution Hall,

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: but if we were naming it today, perhaps we would

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: call it.

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Speaker 2: We can call it I can see your auras, which

1364
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: is what Georgia told the audience because she had had

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: so much yrmamte.

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Speaker 1: Remember that at all? Oh my god, I'm like, what

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: am I going to caffeinate myself with this fucking trip?

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 2: I du that's the great mystery you have to solve

1369
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right, we can also call it

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Speaker 1: I love this get out in theaters now. When Karen

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Speaker 1: said something about guys whose mom does their laundry, get

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01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: out of that relationship.

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't date guys that whose moms still do their laundry.

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: No still or ever? Like yuck. Come on, all right, well,

1376
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to another episode of rewind and go

1377
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: to my favorite murder dot com, slash Live and see

1378
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: if there's any tickets left for any of our upcoming shows.

1379
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: We'd love to see you there. Yes, now here's our

1380
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: goodbye from the twenty seventeen Revolution Hall in Portland. Do

1381
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: you hear that? Yeah? I like it?

1382
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,919
Speaker 2: Let me me sing.

1383
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Speaker 1: Portland. We adore you so much. Thank you so much

1384
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: for your support.

1385
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I've been I've been telling everybody this anecdote, but

1386
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 2: it really is true. You guys, you guys were there

1387
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: so early for this podcast, and you were so vocal

1388
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Speaker 2: and you were so in it.

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Speaker 1: And one of the one of.

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Speaker 2: The first pieces of Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered graffiti

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Speaker 2: that we ever saw that got posted to Twitter was

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Speaker 2: from Portland, Oregon, and it really meant the world to us.

1393
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: You guys love your vandalism, and we love you for it.

1394
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Speaker 1: You vandalize in our name, Thank you kindly for that.

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: You graffeited our hearts, yes, permanently, tattoo style. We love you,

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Speaker 2: Stay Sexy and soho get mar Bye you guys, Thank

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Speaker 2: you