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Speaker 1: That's ride a thing because I'm not liking Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: doing that. Hey man, you know he won a game,
Speaker 1: so you know we'll settle ring break with Russ here. Uh,
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Speaker 1: cried his way in and he told me, now I
Speaker 1: don't know, no, that's what he told me. Something you
Speaker 1: need to cry to get its effective. He told me
Speaker 1: that upstairs he need to cry to get effective. That's
Speaker 1: what Drew told me so it was effective. But I
Speaker 1: tell you, man, it was effective. Now. I remember when Drew,
Speaker 1: when Drew did TV with me, there a couple of
Speaker 1: times were getting ready to go on. Drew's about to
Speaker 1: get on Jerry. No, I can't. It was about to
Speaker 1: be when it were we're keeping it real goals. Uh No,
Speaker 1: you're trying to get a ring You're trying to get
Speaker 1: ringing on it. Right, Okay, Then when I'm saying it right,
Speaker 1: I'll say right, I'll say something, but you can't say anything.
Speaker 1: You think Jerry's not listening, But somebody is listening. Jerry
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Speaker 1: your own family and friends who tell you things and
Speaker 1: people say about you and you here so so yes,
Speaker 1: I mean you know Jerry listens for a fact. I've
Speaker 1: gotten callings in my times at the other stations. I've
Speaker 1: gotten after some postgame shows calls from some people and
Speaker 1: been like, we talked to you here. Just I've been
Speaker 1: calling to the principal's office at the time or two
Speaker 1: before they say hey, we we we we appreciate your spirit.
Speaker 1: There's some things that you say that's a little bit
Speaker 1: too close to the vests Okay, so that was where
Speaker 1: it sound weird. Yeah, that's not from my neighborhood. They
Speaker 1: don't sound like that. No, no, no, they say differently.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say a little differently. They but what a
Speaker 1: corporate called they used. They use that language, right, the language.
Speaker 1: It's kind of creepy though, because it's real nice. But
Speaker 1: underneath that it's super nice. It's super like hey, just
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, come up you you know, Jerry's kind
Speaker 1: of like Twitter, you know how you You're like, I
Speaker 1: always talking with some people. You know, man, I shall
Speaker 1: could you use some shoes or whatever? You just talk
Speaker 1: to people. Then all of a sudden pops up on
Speaker 1: your phone. You got a yeah, yeah, that's Jerry. Jerry,
Speaker 1: he's always listening. Look, yes, he is always listening. Um
Speaker 1: trade deadline today nothing for the Cowboys, but boy around
Speaker 1: the league headlined by Bradley Chubb of the Dolphins. So
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb is going to from Denver to Miami, and
Speaker 1: Miami gets Bradley Chub a fifth round pick. Denver is
Speaker 1: going to get running back Chase Edmonds, a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three first round pick and a twenty twenty four fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. So uh, that's that's the biggest name. Then
Speaker 1: you've got Washington making a deal. So William Jackson the
Speaker 1: third has not been a corner of significance for them,
Speaker 1: so he's moving on to Pittsburgh, and Washington receives a
Speaker 1: future late round pick. Um Chicago gets Chase Claypool from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Steelers get a twenty twenty three second round draft pick,
Speaker 1: which be high. It could be a high pick. So
Speaker 1: I'll say this from Justin Fields, unhappy, You're bad. You're bad.
Speaker 1: Get somebody, gets some separation from the DBS, get some help.
Speaker 1: So so if from Justin Fields, I have to be
Speaker 1: happy about that. I do think there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: trying to help your quarterback and use first round pick
Speaker 1: on him. Helped the young man out, and he's talented. Guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure you guys talked about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: but man, you know I knew that he was always shifty,
Speaker 1: he was always good, he's always smart. He had a
Speaker 1: few panic moments in the game, but when you look
Speaker 1: at how he threw some of those passes in the game,
Speaker 1: if they catch those passes, they might be looking a
Speaker 1: little bit different outcome here, not necessarily winning, winning and losing,
Speaker 1: but a closer outcome because I saw a couple of
Speaker 1: guys I think it was Gauge going up trying to
Speaker 1: get it, you know, and he could have gotten it.
Speaker 1: You had one that was perfect throw by Fields. The
Speaker 1: guy just couldn't bring it in over Brown. You saw
Speaker 1: some really good passes, I mean, consistently good passes. Better receiver,
Speaker 1: they're going to pull it in, and that's that's Claypool.
Speaker 1: That's Claypool. T J. Hockinson tight end with the Lions,
Speaker 1: now moved to Minnesota. So Minnesota gets t J. Hockinson
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three fourth round draft pick in a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fourth conditional fourth round draft pick. In Detroit
Speaker 1: is going to receive a twenty twenty three second round
Speaker 1: pick in a twenty twenty four third round pick. We
Speaker 1: saw yesterday where the Bears move Roquan Smith the linebacker
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. Roke Quon sith they wanted out of there, so, um,
Speaker 1: what no better place to go for your linebacker into
Speaker 1: the Multimore Ravens. You know, ro Quan and gets paid
Speaker 1: before La marguts paid. It depends what kind of contract
Speaker 1: is you looking at. Here looking probably be one of
Speaker 1: the highest paid linebackers in the league. I'll say yes
Speaker 1: right now, Okay, I'll say yes. I'll say yes. So
Speaker 1: that's if there's anything else that pops up in there.
Speaker 1: I still think that the Cowboys, if you're going to
Speaker 1: make a move, make it move for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. What do you say? Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: I had said wide receiver before they got Hankins. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about how they should stopped the run
Speaker 1: and trying to plug up the middle. But yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would say that's a good one wide receiver. Someone
Speaker 1: you got something out there, and they don't have to
Speaker 1: be your number one. I don't think it has to
Speaker 1: be a number one, but someone of quality. Uh say,
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper looks good right now? We can bring him back.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think can we can we
Speaker 1: afford them? Talk to me. It only costs us a phone. Man,
Speaker 1: I have a Mark. Come on, I have Mark Cooper
Speaker 1: in the fantasy league. And you are bawling right now
Speaker 1: at home games, see, he continued on the road, he
Speaker 1: eats not been good at home. I mean, so it's
Speaker 1: like this is that's still a trid right. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: there's something about your right that talk to him me. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was on the side. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get in while I fit in. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: there there is a level of comfortability, comfortability that comes
Speaker 1: with playing at home. That's just what it is, you know.
Speaker 1: And people sometimes when I when I say, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't matter that much. No sleeping in your own bed,
Speaker 1: eating your favorite breakfast, you know, seeing your massu so
Speaker 1: at the same time, like everything, having your lady come
Speaker 1: through whatever, whatever, whatever it is that might be a problem. No,
Speaker 1: sometimes you need that's sometimes that's that's that's you know
Speaker 1: the anxiety, you know, calm the anxiety. But just being
Speaker 1: at home, yeah, you know the spots on the field
Speaker 1: where you know, just all that stuff matters. Man, Just
Speaker 1: the level of comfort when you're at home. And then
Speaker 1: you know, teams offensive coordinators, they're more willing to do
Speaker 1: things um at a higher clip at home, Okay, take chance,
Speaker 1: They'll take more chances. You know, they feel comfortable as well.
Speaker 1: The crowd control, all that stuff kind of plays a
Speaker 1: factor into because at the end of the day, these
Speaker 1: are all humans, right, I don't care who they are.
Speaker 1: They trying to they people want to paint us as machines.
Speaker 1: But the ocason is a human, the head coaches human,
Speaker 1: the DC's human, the quarterbacks to everybody's human. And so
Speaker 1: you get into these different levels of games, and when
Speaker 1: that when that pressure gets real high, and you're on
Speaker 1: the road and the crowd, sometimes you tend to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more reserved. But when you're at home,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like being you're talking about it, it's
Speaker 1: like being on your block. You can't come to my
Speaker 1: block and just talk to me on any kind of way. Oh,
Speaker 1: but if you catch me on your side of town,
Speaker 1: you might be able to say a few things to me.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, you know what, you got it?
Speaker 1: You gotta ho me got it. I got receipts on
Speaker 1: Cooper got receipts all right. At Carolina Game one, four
Speaker 1: point seven points. In Fantasy Week two at the Jets
Speaker 1: at home, now I'm sorry. The Jets at home twenty
Speaker 1: six point one against the Steelers at home twenty four
Speaker 1: point one. Goes on the road to Atlanta one point
Speaker 1: nine and Atlanta Atlanta Okay, then at home against the
Speaker 1: Chargers twenty point six home against New England fourteen point
Speaker 1: four at the Ravens drips down to ten point four
Speaker 1: at home against Cincinnati, twenty three point one. Dude balls
Speaker 1: at home. Dog on the road. He's teams. He's on
Speaker 1: a buy next week. So he's on a buy next week.
Speaker 1: Then he's at Miami, he's at Buffalo. I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble. So in any sport that you're in,
Speaker 1: whenever you go to Miami, it's always a bad game.
Speaker 1: Always think like, yeah, I'm lost in Miami. Anytime you
Speaker 1: go to Miami. Players, especially those who have a little
Speaker 1: bit extended curfew in South Beach, don't get to early.
Speaker 1: Always want to get you want to you want to
Speaker 1: fly with minimal time. We're coming in at night. Our
Speaker 1: problem was Marino. Yeah, well that was our problem. We
Speaker 1: didn't have know, none of that other stuff. The heat
Speaker 1: and everything was cool. Problem with Dan Marino. He pretty
Speaker 1: good quarterback. Yeah it was okay. Yeah, they gather us
Speaker 1: that night too. Mark Clayton went off for two touchdowns
Speaker 1: and both of them over forty yards. Fifty yards. Yeah
Speaker 1: that was you remember that again. Hey, look, I mean
Speaker 1: the ultimate Dan Marino we got him at home again.
Speaker 1: It was eighty five Bears Monday Night football and this
Speaker 1: was this happened to be eighty four, So yes, eighty five.
Speaker 1: He was on good both years. Home game right there
Speaker 1: in the Orange Bowl under your Bears come in there, undefeating.
Speaker 1: They brought the seventy the part the seventy two team
Speaker 1: out there. You know what, the seventy two team. You
Speaker 1: can't lose. You've been defeated. That messid thing. Young are
Speaker 1: the only ones that can do it. Yep, yep, this
Speaker 1: is it, but it needs you to save it. So
Speaker 1: so that was that was it. Their soulder trades right now,
Speaker 1: wide received for the cow Boys. You say, okay, I've
Speaker 1: been on it for a while, do you have anybody
Speaker 1: in mind? Just you know, we can't say we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't say name, can't, we can't can't anybody's on
Speaker 1: the track. We can't say. We can say Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: which I say, which I say no, what I say
Speaker 1: no to as well exactly. But there's some other guys
Speaker 1: who are he looks good on on on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that isn't look good, looks good, that's look I mean
Speaker 1: when he put the bads on the schools. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be what it is. So when when when management says
Speaker 1: we like our guys talking about the wide receiver, you
Speaker 1: say bull okay, and you say right now, you like
Speaker 1: him now, but we're gonna need need somebody for a run.
Speaker 1: We're gonna need we need somebody for a run. And Washington,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is he looking like. Let me
Speaker 1: let me say this to your Washington first, is I
Speaker 1: don't know why there's been this great talk about James
Speaker 1: Washington coming. You want to do a numbers check. He
Speaker 1: ain't never been a thousand yard receiver. He ain't. He
Speaker 1: ain't better than know Ah Brown. So when you start
Speaker 1: talking about James Washington is on the way, James Washington
Speaker 1: on the way, I think it's a different aspect. He
Speaker 1: might not even get on the field. It's a different aspect,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about a different type of player. We
Speaker 1: know you're right field. All I'm saying is he's available, right, okay,
Speaker 1: be available. It's up to you to use him. They
Speaker 1: they can't find ways to use a dynamic guy like
Speaker 1: Turpin in the offense. If they can't find ways to
Speaker 1: get Janen Tober going to the offense. Hell if they
Speaker 1: can't find They finally found a way to get Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup going last game, I don't know for whatever reason
Speaker 1: when they turned on film while you guys kept running
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop on curl routes and hitches. The man can't
Speaker 1: run those right now. That's not in his wheelhouse right now.
Speaker 1: They finally said I was ahead. I was like, what
Speaker 1: do we look at? I know he's coming back from
Speaker 1: the from the ACL. He's not ready to run those routes,
Speaker 1: anything where he has to start stop and he cannot
Speaker 1: when he runs slants, bangates, uh, speed outs, anything that
Speaker 1: keeps his body mode, the momentum of his the impetus
Speaker 1: of the route going is where he's good. If he
Speaker 1: has to start, stop and start again, he's no good.
Speaker 1: But to the to the receiver point is the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have to bring in somebody here that is able to
Speaker 1: do things that a Marie Cooper did not saying being
Speaker 1: a Mary Cooper. What I mean by that is you
Speaker 1: have to overcome the deficiencies at times of your play
Speaker 1: calling or your schematics throwing you or scheming you open.
Speaker 1: That is what you need to bring in here. The
Speaker 1: players that we have in here now, they don't run
Speaker 1: good enough routes where they can run themselves open. To me,
Speaker 1: that's an elite level of route running when you're able
Speaker 1: to run a route and get yourself open. Despite what
Speaker 1: has been called special guys do that. Um not saying
Speaker 1: that Ceedee Lamb, Ceedee Lamb has his moments. He's growing.
Speaker 1: He needs to get growing. He needs to get going,
Speaker 1: get this growing. Whatever it needs to happen, it needs
Speaker 1: to happen. But to have receivers in here that have
Speaker 1: the ability to, no matter what play is called, I
Speaker 1: am good enough at the line of scrimmage, on my
Speaker 1: release and at the top of my break to create
Speaker 1: and make separation so that the quarterback can doesn't have
Speaker 1: to have a perfect throw every time he throws it
Speaker 1: to me. A lot of these throws that you see
Speaker 1: Dak having to bake, they don't. They can't be off
Speaker 1: because if they're off, that level of separation is so
Speaker 1: minuscule that you're either throwing it in complete, throwing it interception,
Speaker 1: or is getting is getting broke up. So that's what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need to bring him. The guy that they
Speaker 1: need to bring him needs to be a route running
Speaker 1: type of guy who can who can overcome the lack
Speaker 1: of creativity and schematics and getting those guys open through routes,
Speaker 1: through picks, through overs, all different type of things you
Speaker 1: can do. They don't have. They don't quite have that
Speaker 1: at a high level right now on this roster. So
Speaker 1: with Washington, what I was saying was, you don't need
Speaker 1: to have a thousand yard receiver. He doesn't he need
Speaker 1: to come in as a past thousand year obviously, it's
Speaker 1: my opinion you can still bring in a guy who's
Speaker 1: just uh, he's productive. He doesn't have to be dynamic,
Speaker 1: but he can be productive. What I'm saying is, if
Speaker 1: you're going to bring a guy like watching and use
Speaker 1: him to his potential, use his speed. He's a little
Speaker 1: bulk dude. He's not as small as Terping, he's not
Speaker 1: as fast at terping. I don't think, oh he's shifty,
Speaker 1: but he's a guy that can take some blows and
Speaker 1: maybe get down the field. I don't necessarily need a
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver, but I do need someone who's extremely
Speaker 1: competent at what they do. When we bring him in,
Speaker 1: you can just be a guy who's I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: it idiots survived. You might you might not be able
Speaker 1: to do anything else, but this I can do. And
Speaker 1: Washington needs to be a guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and establish himself as being a do something to make
Speaker 1: this team better in the passing game. Only. My only
Speaker 1: pushback on that is, and I agree with what you're saying,
Speaker 1: is that being able to see a guy's strength and
Speaker 1: utilize that if you were telling me that was on
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. And dan Quinn he's
Speaker 1: a competent enough coordinator to do so, you've seen him
Speaker 1: done it throughout this time his time been here. Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore to me, isn't a competent enough offensive coordinator where
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, you do this really well. Here's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna deploy you on the thing
Speaker 1: that you do really really well. It's more so of
Speaker 1: the Jason Garrett type method of, hey, here's our offense,
Speaker 1: work work work, and that doesn't that doesn't necessarily create success.
Speaker 1: And and that's how that's the difference between when you're
Speaker 1: talking about having dynamic players or having the offensive minds
Speaker 1: that we see across the league gets what do you
Speaker 1: do really well well? If you're a man corner, then
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep lining you up in zone. If
Speaker 1: you're a zone corner, I'm not gonna keep lining you
Speaker 1: up in man. So all those type of things. And
Speaker 1: when you're talking about bringing the guy like Washington in,
Speaker 1: do we have the guys that are competent enough who
Speaker 1: are calling the plays that are going to utilize his strimps,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say not quite yet. And that again takes
Speaker 1: a less dynamic player and make him even more less dynamic.
Speaker 1: And then of course we'll have to see if James Washington,
Speaker 1: once he gets on the football field, can he stay
Speaker 1: on the football field, because that has been an issue
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Speaker 1: we had this debate. We knew what you it saves
Speaker 1: we want to bring you on here. Tony Pollard, Chris
Speaker 1: you know Tony Pollard or Ezekiel Ellie and that we
Speaker 1: think Chris. We think Tony needs to be the starter
Speaker 1: he needs to get We probably say maybe sixty to
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the carries over. Zeke like, guys, what's
Speaker 1: the problem with what they're doing? Now? What was gonna say?
Speaker 1: You know it's working at all? We knew you say that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Rob, oh knew. You just want to go
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Speaker 1: sure you still get every deep because he's your boy.
Speaker 1: You were like, I said, look, I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: to what Skippy Pete told me in Denver during training camp.
Speaker 1: Skippy said, look, both guys are good and you can
Speaker 1: win with two players. Like go back to my time
Speaker 1: when I was with the Raiders. We had Tyrone week
Speaker 1: with Charlie Garner. We ended up going to Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and then come back when he was like they drafted
Speaker 1: Felix Jones in the first round draft pick to go
Speaker 1: Mary Barbara. He's like, you can. You can bring the
Speaker 1: lightning and bring the thunder and you can win like
Speaker 1: that over oh, by the way, seventeen games, one more
Speaker 1: game at it. And I just said, look, you can.
Speaker 1: Both guys are good football players, and they just thought
Speaker 1: I was him in han. They want they want Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard to get more and more carry. So I said,
Speaker 1: let me bring it to you guys and see what
Speaker 1: you think. What should the running back set up be?
Speaker 1: How should the carries be divided up? Jesse, I like
Speaker 1: what they're doing right now. I do. And you can say,
Speaker 1: you know, football is a game of ebb and flow.
Speaker 1: It's a game of feel fluid fluid, and you can
Speaker 1: come into a game and you can have one plan
Speaker 1: and things don't kind of work out. You got to
Speaker 1: be able to adjust, and they've had that. And so
Speaker 1: I think whether you make Zeke the starter or whether
Speaker 1: you make Tony Pollard the starter, my sole purpose is
Speaker 1: are we running with effectiveness? That's it. That's my sole purpose,
Speaker 1: are we running with effectiveness? And you talk about you know,
Speaker 1: you call them skippy Pete. I've never called him skippy Pete.
Speaker 1: I called him skip. But I was here what the
Speaker 1: cowboys had Felix Jones and Marian Barber, and it worked well.
Speaker 1: And then the cowboys got a little bit cocky and
Speaker 1: arrogant and say, we don't need Mary and barbarin anymore.
Speaker 1: Felix Jones, you're going to be the featuring back, and
Speaker 1: they ruined them. They made him put on all that
Speaker 1: weight and add the pounds and he lost what in
Speaker 1: essence was who he was. The elusive this to shifting
Speaker 1: this stuff. The speed, and Felix had the speed where
Speaker 1: you would watch him and it didn't look like he
Speaker 1: was running away from dudes. But all you would see
Speaker 1: was this. You just see that gap get wider and
Speaker 1: wider and wider. But you know, it looked his speed
Speaker 1: looked different than what a commodity turpis speed looks like.
Speaker 1: And so for Tony Pollard, Jerry said, this morning on
Speaker 1: the Flagstiff station, they asked him, you know who's the
Speaker 1: better back, and he said neither. He said, they're just
Speaker 1: good at what they do. And that's okay. We always
Speaker 1: get into this point. We live in this society now
Speaker 1: where someone has to be the de facto number one,
Speaker 1: there has to be a king, there has to be
Speaker 1: and at times in this position, the way the National
Speaker 1: Football League has gone. Look around the league. Everybody has
Speaker 1: two running backs, everybody. It just so happened that the
Speaker 1: Joneses got fleeced a little bit on one of their
Speaker 1: running backs and he made him pay him. He made
Speaker 1: them pay him a whole lot of money. So people
Speaker 1: are looking at that and saying, I think that's where
Speaker 1: you make a good point, because my whole number one
Speaker 1: question is why do you care? Why is it so
Speaker 1: important to you that Tony Pollard overtakes Zeke? And I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. He got paid, and the
Speaker 1: fact when you get paid, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the media is gonna come around and they're gonna say,
Speaker 1: are you worth it? Oh? Look at him. Now, he's
Speaker 1: not doing this, he's not doing that trying to play
Speaker 1: through pain because he got paid so that that that
Speaker 1: dollar bill, it has affected both sides. So now when
Speaker 1: he comes back this year, I think Zeke is running
Speaker 1: his ass off. I really do. I like the way
Speaker 1: he looked was that Philadelphia was the Giants when he
Speaker 1: scourged for like twenty plus yards. I hadn't seen that
Speaker 1: in a minute. He looked good. I've seen him move
Speaker 1: piles that are immovable that Tony Pollard could never move.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that concerned me until this weekend,
Speaker 1: and I hope the trend continues, is was making too
Speaker 1: many mistakes on pickups. And that's big man got you
Speaker 1: gotta know what you're doing. Brought that up. I said, man, um,
Speaker 1: it's at least twice, and I think it's a Philly
Speaker 1: games rush got kills. And when you want to talk
Speaker 1: about buying up carries, what are you gonna do a
Speaker 1: boy pass pro it's more as you're running back than
Speaker 1: just running the ball. And let's be real, let's be real.
Speaker 1: This game, that offensive line provided all the holes you needed. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't care who was running that ball. Zeke just
Speaker 1: so happened he wasn't in the game. If he would
Speaker 1: have been in the game, those holes are vital for him.
Speaker 1: For Malie Davis, David's the same thing. He's hitting off
Speaker 1: five six eight yards of carry. So to me, that
Speaker 1: offensive line has always been the key and when Zeke
Speaker 1: wasn't running last year, to me, it was because our
Speaker 1: offensive line was not blocking. Let me go back to
Speaker 1: your your last head coach, Bill Belichick. People always talk
Speaker 1: about how, hey, they have a they have a new
Speaker 1: game plan for every team, like, okay, this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing here, Why can't you do that? When you
Speaker 1: start to look at your running back situation of Okay,
Speaker 1: is this a game that more suited the Tony can
Speaker 1: get here and get to the outside or is it Zeke?
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm just sitting here and I think about,
Speaker 1: you have two good weapons. Why are we Why why
Speaker 1: is this this fight that you Hello, you could only
Speaker 1: use one or this one you get more of the other.
Speaker 1: What the game dictate? The opponent dictate how you use
Speaker 1: the guys to the best of your ability. It's like
Speaker 1: Jesse was saying about, sometimes your game plan is ready
Speaker 1: to go. Okay, that's good. You can have a game
Speaker 1: plans ready to go, but you might get in the
Speaker 1: game all of a sudden, you're a right guard. It's
Speaker 1: getting his ass, kid, and it's messing up everything. So
Speaker 1: you gotta make an adjustment. So, yes, the game plan
Speaker 1: is great, I don't care what the game plan is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what the outcome is. You
Speaker 1: understand to me, I don't care about the game plan.
Speaker 1: I care about the outcome. And if that game plan
Speaker 1: worked its way into a negative outcome, then I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at running backs, look into somebody else, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Kell. And that goes back to what I
Speaker 1: was saying in a previous segment. Do we have the
Speaker 1: offensive minds to be able to make those type of
Speaker 1: adjustments both weekly and end game Because you talk about
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, your last head coach, my last head coach,
Speaker 1: and being able being able to go out there and
Speaker 1: to have a divise a game plan for every single
Speaker 1: opponent differently, that is one of the biggest things that
Speaker 1: I I dislike so much about what Jason Garrett was
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator. It was this, you know here,
Speaker 1: here's my fifteen plays, here's what we're doing, this is
Speaker 1: what we do. This is what we're doing. And if
Speaker 1: and if what we have on this what we have here,
Speaker 1: we heard and we got to execute better. Way. No, No,
Speaker 1: sometimes the stuff that you have here it ain't working,
Speaker 1: it ain't working. Well. What was the game we saw
Speaker 1: it off like crap firstree plays. I'm sorry, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: know this, but the first three plays worth the crap
Speaker 1: and we denver I'm sorry Tampa. The Tampa game, we
Speaker 1: tried to come out with this, this script, and it
Speaker 1: was downhill from second down on. It was downhill for
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. Because he came out with that.
Speaker 1: I think that was at one point we had a
Speaker 1: challenge that could have been challenged on the on the
Speaker 1: third down run, we already got minds made up. We're
Speaker 1: gonna rush up and still run our fourth down play
Speaker 1: when all he had to do was just slow things down,
Speaker 1: call a timeout, and let's check and see if we
Speaker 1: want to review this. See, so when your mind's made
Speaker 1: up to continue with the script, sometimes you just gotta pause. Now,
Speaker 1: let's pump our breaks right quick? Is this what we
Speaker 1: want to go right here? Because right now we thought
Speaker 1: Zeke was gonna break for five. Zeke broke for twenty.
Speaker 1: So now do I still want to call that same
Speaker 1: play again? We might be in a whole different part
Speaker 1: of the field to I could maybe make a change.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't like script it because the game
Speaker 1: is too fluid. Just like you guys said, let's get
Speaker 1: our second break in here when we come back. A
Speaker 1: real simple question, Jesse, You've been talking about it, so
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hit you with it next because because
Speaker 1: it's just real simple. It's a real simple question. Um,
Speaker 1: let's not duck and die. Let's not duck and dow Jingal,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's getting right to I wanna get it. Yes, no, Ans,
Speaker 1: put Jesse on the stand. Jesse Holley Average Walls on
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Speaker 1: have to answer to that. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this question. So I need to answer.
Speaker 1: Do you trust Kellen Moore? No, you don't have to
Speaker 1: finish the question. No, because trust requires three things, time, proof,
Speaker 1: and consistency. The last two games, maybe even three, I
Speaker 1: think Kellen Moore has gotten better. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: more from Kellen Moore. He's gotten better. Right, you're convincing me?
Speaker 1: Are you convincing yourself? Who? Who are you trying to convince?
Speaker 1: I thought he caught a good game the other day. No,
Speaker 1: I caught a good game. My book back is in
Speaker 1: my car. But the notes that I was writing while
Speaker 1: I was watching that game, I just stopped at one
Speaker 1: point in time and I wrote w oh w exclamation point,
Speaker 1: exclamation point underline at three times because that's what I felt.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, what a clean game, What a
Speaker 1: what a precise game, What a game that was hitting
Speaker 1: on all cylinders. Man was dacked so in control and
Speaker 1: confident and just everything was working for them. And then
Speaker 1: there's moments in that game where we call it he
Speaker 1: glitched end in the second quarter, he started things start
Speaker 1: going so well. He can't help himself. He just like,
Speaker 1: I got this thing going, but but I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: this whoa bud, Yeah, whoa whoa buddy, laughing and laughing yeah,
Speaker 1: like whoa buddy, Like you already had it going, you didn't.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's too many of it's too much
Speaker 1: of that at times. It's it's it's the inability to
Speaker 1: be creative. And there's a very distinctive difference than creative
Speaker 1: and tricky, because I feel when you start running trick plays,
Speaker 1: you've already conceded that you can't beat me straight up.
Speaker 1: That's right as a play. When you start doing two plays,
Speaker 1: you can see that you can't straight up. So when
Speaker 1: you get creative and that's tricky, that's creating two very
Speaker 1: distinctive things. So when I first touchdown, that's creative. Creative
Speaker 1: is when you go and you're going to now you
Speaker 1: and the three tight end personnel, when you start running
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like, creative is doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Creative is getting in your bag and schematically doing this thing.
Speaker 1: You start determining the pace of the game when you
Speaker 1: start doing trip of reverses. The bare work come on.
Speaker 1: When you start lining up see lamb in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Don't come on you line up, see the lamb in
Speaker 1: the backfield in the fourth quarter when you up almost
Speaker 1: three touchdowns? For why? Practice? Practice? What he almost got
Speaker 1: his leg as they come running in at his knees.
Speaker 1: Why why are we doing this? Yeah, but he's a
Speaker 1: football player. Why are we doing he got he gotta
Speaker 1: be able to take it. No, no, he does it.
Speaker 1: No no, no, he's skinny, and that he's wiry man.
Speaker 1: And and he's been in practice, and he's been on
Speaker 1: any report with a bad hip. Oh but you want
Speaker 1: running back? And we up two touchdowns in the fourth
Speaker 1: the thirty fourth quarter. Why So there's moments when Kelly
Speaker 1: Moore maybe he wanted to put something else on the
Speaker 1: future opponent's minds. Put put put put put back there.
Speaker 1: I say, put one of the crash dummy's back there,
Speaker 1: not your number one receiver in the fourth quarter? What
Speaker 1: are we doing? And there's certain things to look over.
Speaker 1: The ego. Somebody pop him, somebody pop him, stop him
Speaker 1: from doing this crazy stuff. So no, I do not
Speaker 1: trust him. And there's evidence during his tenure here that
Speaker 1: he is not trustworthy in the moments that we need
Speaker 1: him to be the most trustworthy, no devil's advocate. I
Speaker 1: am starting to trust him. I'm starting to assistance what
Speaker 1: you mentioned these last I'd say three games. You know,
Speaker 1: the way he coached with Cooper Russia in there. He
Speaker 1: had to make a pivot. He had to Uh. He
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna work where he had in mind
Speaker 1: when we lined up before we played Tampa. He knew
Speaker 1: this wasn't gonna work for Cooper. To me, that's a
Speaker 1: the fact that you can can say, Okay, I need
Speaker 1: to make a change. Yeah, it's like being a relationship.
Speaker 1: All right, it ain't you with me? Now? He gets it,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not. He's more conservative in his calls.
Speaker 1: The running game is working. Our offensive line has given
Speaker 1: him the ability to be a little bit more diverse
Speaker 1: than what he's doing. So I'm starting to trust him
Speaker 1: right now. And if he continues, if he continues to
Speaker 1: to to stay on this pace, then we have to
Speaker 1: see those games that come through where the wide receivers
Speaker 1: are not so wild open, the holes are not so
Speaker 1: big this time, because those those games are gonna come.
Speaker 1: He trust me. What what what Dak was going against
Speaker 1: with Tampa totally different from what he saw in the
Speaker 1: secondary right after the last week. The comparison that I
Speaker 1: used when Dak was coming back with Kellen Moore is
Speaker 1: we've all been there, right, We've all been there when
Speaker 1: we've had a little bit longer month than we had money.
Speaker 1: And now it's more peanut butter and jelly sandwich, bloodoos
Speaker 1: and noodles. You know what I'm saying. Oh, but when
Speaker 1: that direct deposit hits, Oh when when? When? When when
Speaker 1: that check come? The ghost? Still your meals look a
Speaker 1: lot different. You got state and got your trab legs, right,
Speaker 1: and so before you were saying, well, I gotta make
Speaker 1: do with what I gotta make, and that was that
Speaker 1: was the time with Cooper Rush. I gotta make do
Speaker 1: what I gotta make do. I don't have the funds
Speaker 1: or the means to really splurge. And then you get
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott back, and now sometimes he started that glitching
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, but do so much. I give
Speaker 1: me the give me the real bob medium, give me
Speaker 1: the crab legs, give me the big scrimps. Go out
Speaker 1: the tomahawk, go out there and get them more fresh
Speaker 1: barbecue ribs down there, hard and the crock pot. I
Speaker 1: can afford the drive. I can afford the drive I got, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I drive. You don't have to get that. Jest, how
Speaker 1: the crack pot there you go? You go crackpot rift, Ye,
Speaker 1: I want some craft. Get out of here. Man, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna do this. Remember that we're not gonna do this.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna do the stay on tasks, stay sick.
Speaker 1: I got these crackpot ri stayale tasks. They ain't never
Speaker 1: liked me from my cooking. Now you know that. You
Speaker 1: know that, dude, they ain't never liked me from my cooking.
Speaker 1: Players loud. Yeah, we need to get this man of
Speaker 1: spots so we do not have a section like we're
Speaker 1: gonna give him ten minutes. If it's Christy, it's for me,
Speaker 1: I will take it. Chris beeB who is an official
Speaker 1: caps do we have for smoking j Jimmy Jay got
Speaker 1: somebody somebody who make a grill is being sponsored by
Speaker 1: the gat one. If they have it, then doug on it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be soon coming around the corner. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jared got every spin, they got a penny smiles, so
Speaker 1: they got everybody. The sponsors that big, that big barbecue
Speaker 1: event this weekend. You know that big barbecue event. Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody will get me a you're going right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't have like eight like barbecue like tickets
Speaker 1: the official grill Love the Dallas. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: some listeners that that make their own pits. Make me
Speaker 1: a pit, somebody make me a smaller pit. I don't
Speaker 1: need a big pit. I don't need to put them
Speaker 1: back in my trailer, right, maybe a small one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't need Brady James, by the way, can throw down.
Speaker 1: Yeah Brady, Yeah yeah, yeah, by Brady's like and everything,
Speaker 1: not just not just like Brady's like almost like borderline
Speaker 1: chef ish what Yeah yeah, h b Jes taught me
Speaker 1: some stuff. He's a chef. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: because of that, but yeah, well barbecue. I talked to him. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you. He threw up the hooks. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was. He thought the hooks. He thought the hooks.
Speaker 1: I see, I know you sweat? Are you swat? Are
Speaker 1: you swack? Are young with your man? And you swast
Speaker 1: wrong with your man? You off? You get off me?
Speaker 1: You didn't raise him right, he got him? So So
Speaker 1: what Eddie Robinson Judy sent me you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: raised this man. He didn't raised this man. He didn't
Speaker 1: plays that. He don't why we had the show together
Speaker 1: Swacking Motion, me and Eddie Robinson Junior in Birmingham, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and then we did for two years. Dude, he's gotta
Speaker 1: be never acted like that when he was on the show.
Speaker 1: He was always so cold and swam. He gotta be
Speaker 1: sick right now because what he sent as a shot
Speaker 1: has turned into another medium marketing for Dion. And well,
Speaker 1: first of all, they don't many don't Dion gonna market anything,
Speaker 1: you know, because they didn't make wrap. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: started it up. Now they threw it back in your
Speaker 1: It was like it was it was equivalent of Philly
Speaker 1: fans booing through Pearson and he just gave it all
Speaker 1: back to. Oh oh that's what you want gonna give
Speaker 1: it all back to and they just had to sit
Speaker 1: there and take it. Ye listen there and take it man.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's tripped now. But yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the funny things. And then then
Speaker 1: it's my swack school. Yeah, Alabama State was where I
Speaker 1: got accepted to. That was so I was gonna go
Speaker 1: down and play for a year. I was gonna play.
Speaker 1: I was gonna play, So I just want to play
Speaker 1: one year. Swat. Now are they in the same swack
Speaker 1: because you got Swack East and West, And I think
Speaker 1: because that's the case, they might get to see each
Speaker 1: other again. You know, Swack championship? Does it was that
Speaker 1: Swack championship? Will it? Man? I don't know. Man, this
Speaker 1: is college football, college football. But I wasn't cutting. Anything
Speaker 1: can happen, yeah, because you were part of the players louds.
Speaker 1: That's what brothers don't understand. It's not just about playing
Speaker 1: ball and going to school. You gotta stay focused. Rather
Speaker 1: like him plays louds. He can't stay focused. I can
Speaker 1: see that about sitting down here right now. Because they
Speaker 1: didn't like it for his cooking. That's what he just said.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this what I got released from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I got on the phone of my agent and
Speaker 1: he said to me, what cities or what teams do
Speaker 1: you want to go to? I said, anybody's open up Miami.
Speaker 1: Do not send me to my money. Oh. One of
Speaker 1: the greatest things that ever happened to me was Um,
Speaker 1: who was the blackhead coach at Miami, played dB there
Speaker 1: for a long time. Oh he was Randy Shannon, not
Speaker 1: even he was a linebacker. Linebacker. One of the greatest
Speaker 1: things that ever happened to me was Randy Shannon coming
Speaker 1: to my school and I wanted I told him I
Speaker 1: was wanted to play two sports, and he told me,
Speaker 1: not atter you, you don't play two sports. At to
Speaker 1: you you might could run track, but at to you
Speaker 1: we were about championship. And I declined my offer to
Speaker 1: Miami because goodness gracious, if you'd have got this Jersey
Speaker 1: boy in the South South Beach with all of them
Speaker 1: pretty women, I would have I would have been I
Speaker 1: might no, sister, seriously, I might have got hurt, like
Speaker 1: someone might have really physically harmed man, because my attitude,
Speaker 1: my attitude coming from Jersey to the South was from
Speaker 1: so I'd met around and got one of the one
Speaker 1: of them Zoe's girls, and one of them one of
Speaker 1: them Haitians from from Little Haiti or from Opa Loaca
Speaker 1: or and they'd have told me up. They'd have had
Speaker 1: hanging smart though. See, you would have known your limitations.
Speaker 1: My attitude. No, not eighteen year old, yeah, thirty old.
Speaker 1: Thirty eight year old Jesse is a way more smart
Speaker 1: and way more competent of what's going on. Eighteen year old, Jesse,
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell me anything. There was nothing you could
Speaker 1: have told me. Yeah, eighteen years old, that's true. That's
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. They had hurt me out there, So
Speaker 1: I ended up in Chapel Hill and got a championship
Speaker 1: ring man playing Carolina basketball. Hey, guys, this was fun
Speaker 1: because tomorrow grees Man, we'll do it again about Jesse Holly,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls. He is swacked. I knew he scrugs. He
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