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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the Fist Stripes podcast channel with me Eli Sussman, the

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Speaker 1: managing editor of Fist Stripes, where we cover your Miami

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Speaker 1: Marlins every day in our own way. This is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be a poud continuing our off season shopping series,

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Speaker 1: but real life got in the way for the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: where they've made quite a bit of moves. We were

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Speaker 1: anticipating some roster churn here on Tuesday night, and we

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Speaker 1: got it in terms of a trade, prospects promoted to

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Speaker 1: the forty man guys getting squeezed off as well. So

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Kevin Barrall, Lewis Addia Weiss, and during

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Speaker 1: the second half of the show, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to Aisle four of off season Shopping, where we are

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Speaker 1: zeroing in on some of the biggest superstars that potentially

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Speaker 1: Marlins could acquire. It's the final aisle with players that

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Speaker 1: produced five or more wins above replacement this past season.

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Speaker 1: Before that, we need to get into the actual news

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Speaker 1: that broke on Tuesday, and so we'll start off first

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Speaker 1: with the trade that was made, a four player trade

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Speaker 1: between the Marlins and the Rays. These teams are frequent

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Speaker 1: trade partners over the last couple of years, and this

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Speaker 1: one the first a four player variety one that it

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Speaker 1: kind of fits a similar pattern where the Marlins are deeping,

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Speaker 1: dipping deep into their farm system to acquire players that

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Speaker 1: acquire Xavier Edwards in JT.

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Speaker 2: Chargua.

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Speaker 1: I think I got that right for Santiego Suarez and

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Speaker 1: Marcus Johnson, two players that just joined the organization earlier

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Speaker 1: this year. Kevin, let me just get your general thoughts

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Speaker 1: about Xavier Edwards being the main piece of this. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think the Marlins did this and what are

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Speaker 1: they trying to accomplish with this trade.

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Speaker 3: Xavier Edwards, this is the number four prospect, or was

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Speaker 3: the number four prospect according to MLB Pipe Line for

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Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Rays, plays basically the whole infield except

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Speaker 3: first base. He's spent most of his time there playing

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Speaker 3: Miami native, as mentioned I believe previously on Twitter, and

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Speaker 3: this is a pretty dang good player, you know. Besides

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Speaker 3: this triple A season he made that there and he

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Speaker 3: kind of had a small dip in stats. Besides that,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's been hitting over three hundred every other

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Speaker 2: So the three two from Ray, I say, swinging a

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Speaker 2: Cowser Philip's chase, and this is to the wall in

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Speaker 2: Army I double for Xavier Edwards.

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Speaker 3: He does also have relations with newm Orleans manager Skip Schumacher.

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Speaker 3: He was with him in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen in

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Speaker 3: San Diego. He's been traded once already before and he

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Speaker 3: comes back home. So he definitely will have a shot

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Speaker 3: to make the roster the twenty sixth opening roster, but

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Speaker 3: I highly doubt it, just because of the disappointing season

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Speaker 3: the Adam triple A, so we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 3: And they also got JT. Shark Chargo Wite Sharguas, so

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Speaker 3: well we'll get the name pronunciation better, but we'll talk

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I'm excited for Edwards. I saw a tweet and.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to clickly confirm it was not

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Speaker 1: one back in December twenty nineteenth, so it's almost three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm excited about the Edwards trade just because

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Speaker 2: I think I think the bat will play now. I

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Speaker 2: I kind of see that. You know, the power has

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Speaker 2: Obviously that didn't work. Prior you made a good point

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Speaker 2: I mean he I was telling you guys ahead of this.

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Speaker 2: He grew up ten minutes from me. He went to

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Speaker 2: you know, it's exciting. I definitely think to your point, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think Edwards may benefit from some

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Speaker 1: Well, I understand the parallels between him and Grossians. That

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Speaker 3: bit surprised if he doesn't. But yeah, that's I guess

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Speaker 3: the other week could go with this that Miami not

433
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Speaker 3: only has one first baseman technically on the roster, and

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Speaker 3: that's Garret Cooper, who I know had trade interest last

435
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Speaker 3: season this last season in the trade deadline, so we

436
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Speaker 3: don't know if they'll move him or not. But I

437
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Speaker 3: guess if you want to consider another first base when

438
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Speaker 3: Charles Leblancie played at some first base towards the end

439
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Speaker 3: of the year, did it in triple A. If Miami

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Speaker 3: looks to go that way and use him kind of

441
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Speaker 3: as a super utility, I guess. But this also opens

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Speaker 3: that case pool where Miami could look into free agents

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Speaker 3: of Brandon Belt, Jose Obray, which I know was mentioned

444
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Speaker 3: by Joe Farsardy other I believe very recently. So Elira Lewis,

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are your thoughts on this now possibility

446
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Speaker 3: of signing a free agent first baseman or maybe they

447
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Speaker 3: even trade for one, who knows.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on Troy Johnson that he brought

449
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Speaker 1: him up. That was the biggest surprise of the day,

450
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Speaker 1: probably overall, is that they didn't protect the guy who's

451
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Speaker 1: been arguably the very best hitter in their minor league

452
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Speaker 1: system over the last three years, Troy Johnson. He's been

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Speaker 1: productive at every level, I guess until the very end

454
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Speaker 1: of the season when he reached Triple A he slumpt.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, he had one of the hottest stretches

456
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Speaker 1: for Marlin's prospect in recent memory at Double A Pensacola

457
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the year. He checks like all

458
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Speaker 1: the boxes in terms of being a very safe hitter

459
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Speaker 1: as somebody that swings to the right pitches, gets on bass,

460
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Speaker 1: occasionally hits for power. He was a super late round

461
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Speaker 1: draft pick and he was not much of a prospect

462
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Speaker 1: at all coming out of school at A Gonzaga. He

463
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Speaker 1: has just produced at such a consistent level with every

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Speaker 1: assignment they've given him that I thought, for a team

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Speaker 1: that is so desperate for bats, just to rewind, they

466
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Speaker 1: used all of their promotions, all their Rule five protections,

467
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Speaker 1: or all guys that were relievers. And so maybe we

468
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Speaker 1: point to that as encouraging signs that these pitchers are

469
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Speaker 1: getting better and maybe they will be affected in the

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Speaker 1: big leagues. But the bottom line is that they put

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Speaker 1: so much of their attention on the arms, and for

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Speaker 1: a team that is desperate for an influx of homegrown hitters,

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Speaker 1: that they're not going to give Troy and a chance

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Speaker 1: unless potentially he doesn't get picked, so they are this

475
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Speaker 1: is a gamble by them, or Troy is still in

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Speaker 1: the organization at least for the next few weeks, and

477
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Speaker 1: the question is whether he gets selected in the major

478
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Speaker 1: league phase of the Rule five Draft. We'll just have

479
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Speaker 1: the wait to find out exactly how that goes. As

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Speaker 1: you touched on, Garrett, Cooper is still here. He is

481
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Speaker 1: still a trade candidate, and even though Anthony Rizzo has signed,

482
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Speaker 1: there are still some intriguing first baseman in free agency.

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Speaker 1: There's at least one first baseman on the trade market

484
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Speaker 1: potentially that we're going to talk about in just a

485
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Speaker 1: few minutes in an Aisle four last season shopping. So

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Speaker 1: it's a question of whether they trust Cooper to play

487
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Speaker 1: first base on a consistent basis, which even last year

488
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Speaker 1: he didn't do. It was alternating between first base and

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Speaker 1: DH or whether they are preparing to make a real

490
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Speaker 1: investment in a proven free agent or trade target of

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Speaker 1: some kind, whether they actually don't feel that their first

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Speaker 1: base solution is in the organization. So just to cert

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Speaker 1: go back to Leywin, finally, I would have given him

494
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Speaker 1: more time. I would wanted to see what he looks

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Speaker 1: like with a new coaching staff, and probably just as important,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see what he looked like with the

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Speaker 1: shift being restricted moving forward. He is a lefty pole

498
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Speaker 1: hitter who I think is on the short list of

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Speaker 1: players that would benefit from shifts going away in the future,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't get to see that. So it was

501
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Speaker 1: frustrating that he did so well at Triple A the

502
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Speaker 1: last couple of years, and that, for whatever reason, he

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Speaker 1: came up to the majors. I thought that the batting

504
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Speaker 1: average would be low, that there'd be some limitations. The

505
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Speaker 1: surprise was that the swing and miss was so high,

506
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Speaker 1: as it was striking out nearly thirty percent of the time.

507
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Speaker 1: That's it's just a head scratcher for somebody like him

508
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Speaker 1: that has so much natural hitting ability, who showed in

509
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Speaker 1: the miners a lot of times that he could hit lefties,

510
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Speaker 1: and he comes up to the show and it doesn't

511
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Speaker 1: translate whatsoever. They could regret this one a little bit

512
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Speaker 1: to because of the defense he already has. I understand it,

513
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Speaker 1: and ultimately we're just gonna have to see what they

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Speaker 1: do at first base. You know, if the alternative is

515
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Speaker 1: a lot better, then and I'm on board with it.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, he puts themselves in a pretty depressing

517
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Speaker 1: situation where this player that was once, for a brief

518
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Speaker 1: moment regarded as among their very best prospects is now

519
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Speaker 1: basically worthless in the market. And the fact that we

520
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Speaker 1: reached this point it's I would not have seen that coming.

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Speaker 1: I would not I don't think anybody would have seen

522
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Speaker 1: him going losing so much of his value in such

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Speaker 1: a short amount of time.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing I'll say is if Miami somehow

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Speaker 3: gets lucky and keeps laywing, I doubt it. But if

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Speaker 3: you know, somehow they do and he makes one another

527
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Speaker 3: appearance in the big leagues, I would like to see

528
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Speaker 3: him with the new coaching stiff because that coaching stuff

529
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Speaker 3: that they're building is pretty promising. I'll just say that,

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Speaker 3: And if Lewis has anything else.

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Speaker 2: To said, yeah, I could totally see him being selected

532
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Speaker 2: by a team of the Rays, even a guy like

533
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Speaker 2: Troy Johnson. It's so dichotomous that they would get rid

534
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Speaker 2: of a guy like Johnston or at least like not

535
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Speaker 2: protect him, and then you also get rid of Diaz.

536
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Speaker 2: I mean, because theoretically you could have had another platoon

537
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Speaker 2: if Johnson would have made the big league roster Saya

538
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Speaker 2: spring training, say he or he started the year in

539
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Speaker 2: Triple A, hit well and came up, say like how

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Speaker 2: we've talked about Edwards, you could have had like a

541
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Speaker 2: first base kind of platoon again where you're kind of

542
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Speaker 2: move operating. You're moving Laywin in and you're moving Johnston in.

543
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Speaker 2: You're kind of shuffling those two guys. And I listen, like,

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Speaker 2: given the expectations that have always kind of been placed

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Speaker 2: on first base, and how you kind of want that

546
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: to be your bopper position or at least one of

547
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Speaker 2: your positions where you're getting a lot of your offensive output.

548
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Speaker 2: If the Marlins enter twenty twenty three with out a

549
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Speaker 2: free agent first baseman or and having the likelihood of

550
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Speaker 2: like having Cooper who's a good hitter, but he's injury prone,

551
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: and LeBlanc as your primary options and maybe Miguel Rojas

552
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Speaker 2: and the off chance that he gets like those late

553
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: inning games, there, you're I partially you're you're partially going

554
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Speaker 2: to be conceding another year of your competitive window. I

555
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: think they that if you're going to do this, and

556
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Speaker 2: we've said this, we've previewed this. If you're going to

557
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Speaker 2: rid yourself of a projectable guy in Johnson and a

558
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: guy in Diaz who if nothing else gives you defense. Again,

559
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: you can weather that storm. You're going to have to

560
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: go out and you're going to have to sign somebody

561
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Speaker 2: unless this is going to look terrible. I could totally

562
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: see Troy. You could name ten big league teams right

563
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: now that would have Troy Johnston on the big league

564
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Speaker 2: roster opening day next year. And he's one of those

565
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Speaker 2: guys that strikes me because of the overall profile. You

566
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Speaker 2: look at the slash and he's an eight to ten

567
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: ops guy in the minors. He could go to Detroit,

568
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Speaker 2: he can go to Milwaukee, he can even go to

569
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Speaker 2: Tampa and that guy could legitimately produce because he offers

570
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Speaker 2: so much in the way from a bat of a

571
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Speaker 2: hitting perspective. Like for me, for them to kind of

572
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Speaker 2: let this guy go and meanwhile also letting Leywin go,

573
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Speaker 2: it's like pick your poison, Like are you going to

574
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Speaker 2: sacrifice defense to get Johnson's offense or are you going

575
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Speaker 2: to sacrifice offense and get Leywan's defense? It you know,

576
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: it like putting your left shoe on your right foot.

577
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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily make all that much sense.

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Speaker 1: We'll take this opportunity to mention the people that earlier

579
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Speaker 1: this year, Troy came on Fist Stripes unfiltered. So if

580
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Speaker 1: you were watching this on YouTube, if you're listening to

581
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Speaker 1: this Regregator pods, you can find our interview that Kevin

582
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Speaker 1: and Isaacazouot did with Troy earlier this year. He was

583
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Speaker 1: an extremely nice guy aside from being what I think

584
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: is a very productive ball player as well. So from

585
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Speaker 1: here we will pivot to what we plan to do originally,

586
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Speaker 1: which is Marlin's off season shopping Aisle four.

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Speaker 3: And we were able to.

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Speaker 1: Improvise this episode a bit just because at this point

589
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Speaker 1: in this style, it's slim pickings. At this point, we

590
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Speaker 1: were working our way up from players based on how

591
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Speaker 1: they produced last year in terms of wins above replacements,

592
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Speaker 1: and at this point there are the biggest names in

593
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Speaker 1: the world out there who produced at least five wins

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Speaker 1: above replacement last season. But we want to keep this realistic.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to waste your time. We don't want

596
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Speaker 1: to focus on players that they have zero chance of

597
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Speaker 1: acquiring unless Bruce Sherman sells half of his fortune. That

598
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Speaker 1: he's not going to sign Aaron Judge in free agency.

599
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Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to pry away via trade,

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Speaker 1: Mike Trout or sho Heyo Tani anybody in that category

601
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Speaker 1: as well. There are other players that simply won't be

602
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Speaker 1: traded within the division who are elite players as well.

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Speaker 1: There's only a few players that we felt are in

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Speaker 1: this category of performance that can also be potential fits

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins aisle for Marlins off season shopping, if

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00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: you're looking for the previous aisles again, you can find

607
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Speaker 1: those wherever you get your pods. We've covered several dozen

608
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Speaker 1: players already and only a couple of them are off

609
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Speaker 1: the market. As we talked about, Anthony Rizzo is somebody

610
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Speaker 1: that we circled, but he unfortunately for the Marlins, he's

611
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Speaker 1: staying with the Yankees on a two year deal. One

612
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Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, Robert Suarez, he inked a five

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Speaker 1: year deal to stay in San Diego. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think deals like that Suarez deal may have motivated

615
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Speaker 1: some of these roster moves in terms of protecting your

616
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Speaker 1: relievers who are going to be earning the league minimum

617
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Speaker 1: when they see that setup men essentially are earning as

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Speaker 1: much long term security and as much annual salary as

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Speaker 1: someone like Suarez is. It makes you realize that, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's worth a shot with one of our own guys.

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Speaker 1: If they turn into half the pitcher that they are

622
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Speaker 1: while earning just a tiny slice of them salary wise,

623
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Speaker 1: then that's going to be a more efficient way to

624
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Speaker 1: build a team. That's how it works when we do

625
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: this series in the middle of the actual off season,

626
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Speaker 1: is that you get some key takeaways from other business

627
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: that is happening around the league. Only going to cover

628
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: a few players here, maybe we should just start with

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Speaker 1: the one that I know we kind of are all

630
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Speaker 1: on the same page about, and that would be former

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Speaker 1: New York Mets current free agent center fielder Brandon Neimo.

632
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Speaker 1: This is a guy that I think the majority of

633
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: teams are going to be expressing some type of interest

634
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: in Nemo. He is an on base machine, and when

635
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: he is on base, he's a very efficient base runner.

636
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I should say he has improved defensively through the years

637
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: at center fields. I don't even think he was thought

638
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Speaker 1: of as a serious center fielder coming up through the

639
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Mets system. He's gotten better and better at that as

640
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: he's advanced in his career, there's some injury concerns, there

641
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: are some inconsistencies with his power output, but the bottom

642
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: line is that his ability to reach base around forty

643
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: percent of the time, year in and year out, sets

644
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: such a high floor for him as a player. On

645
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Speaker 1: top of that, he is at a stage of his career.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be thirty years old next

647
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: year where you can be cautiously optimistic that he's going

648
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: to sustain the five war level of performance that he

649
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: just had in twenty twenty two. For the foreseeable future,

650
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: the Mets are going to want to back. He is

651
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: attached with a qualifying offer, and we know that the Marlins.

652
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: The kind of contract that he's going to be looking

653
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: for is one that the Marlins have not given out

654
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: under Bruce Sherman's ownership tenure. Do we think, Kevin, that

655
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: they are going to bust out of their comfort zone

656
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: and potentially get in the race for somebody like Nemo

657
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: in order to fill that gaping hole they have in centerfield.

658
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: I would love to know that Miami would do that,

659
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: but it's just highly unlikely and it's crazy because out

660
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: of all the options we'll probably mentioned today. This may

661
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: be the most realistic one and me I know Lewis

662
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: has one that he'll mention, but that may be more

663
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: realistic than Nemo. But this is definitely a guy who's

664
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: going to get around ninety to one hundred million in

665
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: the in the market. This guy had an all star

666
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 3: season just by the numbers. I guess the only certain

667
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: team we could have with Nemo is that he's never

668
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: played this amount of games in his career. I think

669
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: the last time made it that was I want to

670
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: say twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen. I'll look it up now.

671
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: But Nimo is one guy who would fill the center

672
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: field void that Miami has. And you mentioned it, Eli

673
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 3: that this is a guy who really never was considered

674
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: a center fielder coming up in the free agent market,

675
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: and now he's able to do it with the Mets.

676
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: And it's just been crazy and he shoots wrong stats there,

677
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: but yeah, and you meant, look at the percentiles, it's

678
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: just crazy how good he's been. And you look at

679
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: past seasons and yeah, although it had been cut short

680
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: by injuries, they've never been this good. And he's a

681
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: very solid player. I love Brandon Nemo. Do you believe

682
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: he's the perfect fit for Miami. He would automatically be

683
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: the best hitter, maybe behind Jazz or over Jazz. Who cares.

684
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: But this is a guy who also hits for good contact,

685
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: high based percentage. He walks out of ten percent, strikes out,

686
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: only hit seventeen. So yeah, this is the first time

687
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: he plays over one hundred and fifty games. The last

688
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: time he did it was in twenty eighteen. He played

689
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: one forties. So I love this fit for Miami. It

690
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: makes all the sense in the world. Sixteen homers, sixty

691
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: four RBIs, it makes a lot of sense. Miami really

692
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: should go out of their comfort zone for this type

693
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: of a player. And there you go with all his

694
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: stats there. Yeah, and only uncertainty with this guy is

695
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: the injuries. But I'll let Lewis get a little bit

696
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 3: deeper on stats.

697
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean it's you know, Kevin kind of

698
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: and he like kind of touched on it. You look

699
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: at the look at the ops. Plus he's you know,

700
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: he's thirty percent above average for his career and that's

701
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: over a six hundred game sample over parts of seven years.

702
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: You were talking about Eli. The Martins have never shelved

703
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: out a contract like what Nimo is likely expecting. I

704
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: think at the outset of the offseason, we were projecting

705
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: maybe five and somewhere in the range of one hundred

706
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: and ten to one hundred and twenty million. I'm going

707
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: to give you guys a name of a guy who

708
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: signed a free agent deal also was at the time

709
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: a center fielder. Eli may I remember this guy, Shinsu Chew.

710
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: In the two.

711
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Seasons preceding free agency, Shinsu Chew had an eight fifty OPS,

712
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: an eight point two Baseball Reference War, and adjusted OPS

713
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: plus of one thirty eight. In the two seasons that

714
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Brandon Neimo has played, albeit in less games preceding free agency,

715
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Nimo has an eight fourteen OPS, eight point five Baseball

716
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Reference War, and one thirty adjusted the OPS plus. So

717
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: you kind of know what you're getting. You're getting a

718
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: guy who's going to be about thirty percent abovely gaverage,

719
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: and a lot of that is going to be because

720
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: of his ability to see pictures aget on base via

721
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: the walk he had. I always felt like he was

722
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: a guy that had more power and just never tapped

723
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: into it. And I was also shocked to know that

724
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: he had only stolen three bases. I believe I was

725
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: covering a game in September with Noah, one of our

726
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: associates here at Fish Strips, and Nimo had stolen his

727
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: first base of the season. It was like mid September

728
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: and I was literally had a savant page open, and

729
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy is in like the ninetieth percent

730
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: style in sprint speed. That could be an element of

731
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: his game that may play up more with the new

732
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: rules that pictures can only throw back twice per plate

733
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: appearance next year. I think maybe the only thing that

734
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: could prevent that would be the extensive injury history. But

735
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: back to Chew and the Nemo comparison, you have the

736
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: middling power, which I think both of them possessed, though

737
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: Chow was a slightly better home run hitter. Then you

738
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: also have the fact that you got a seven year

739
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: deal in the range of one hundred and thirty million dollars.

740
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: I think that Nimo realistically some team if they really

741
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: want him and they really need a table setter, because

742
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: I think he is the perfect guy to maybe hit

743
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: at the top of your lineup, because I think he

744
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: can run more. Because he gets on base, he could

745
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: get a deal that approaches, if not slightly exceeds, one

746
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million over say five or six years.

747
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: Whether or not the Marlins do that, I don't know.

748
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: I've said a million times that the biggest issue that

749
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: this team has had when it comes to scoring runs

750
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: is their inability to get on base. I've spoken a

751
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: nauseum about their two ninety four collective on base percentage.

752
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: If you want to address that, then you need to

753
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: go out and get a guy who, as Eli said,

754
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: has always been a consistent four hundred OBP threat, and

755
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Nimo has been that. I mean, in a smaller sense,

756
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: he's kind of hit like Nolan Aernado if you from

757
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: an OPS and an adjusted OPS plus standpoint, Whereas both

758
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: Nimo and Eronado and their first taste of big league

759
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: baseball their first respective seasons, we're both about seventeen to

760
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: twenty percent below league average, and ever since then they've

761
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: been about thirty percent if not more, above league average. Yeah,

762
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have to pay a premium, but you're

763
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: also going to be paying for a skill set that

764
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: is so hard to teach in a guy he's, like

765
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: you said, he like he's become a better center fielder.

766
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: When he came up, he was more of a corner

767
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: guy that you'd maybe stick in left field or you know,

768
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: would occasionally playing right. But now he's become an average

769
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: to slightly above average center fielder. And for you know,

770
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: Eli has the graphic on the screen, you could see

771
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: how similar the two players that Chew and Nimo are,

772
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: especially if you isolate the two seasons I had a

773
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: free agency for them, twenty twenty one and twenty two

774
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: for Nemo and twelve and thirteen for Chu. It gives

775
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: you an idea of maybe what he'll get from a

776
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: dollars per year standpoint. But yeah, I mean, he is

777
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: the most realistic guy because he fits the most realistic need.

778
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: And I don't he'll be expensive, but I don't think

779
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: it'll be a bank breaker, though it would be a

780
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: record from Marlin's perspective in terms of free agency.

781
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: Let me really quickly get the last two seasons up there,

782
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: because that comparison is spot on. I don't know how

783
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: you came up with that, because this is remarkable. I mean,

784
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: those two seasons before free agency, both eight win players.

785
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: The slash line is almost identical except for the slugging

786
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: is a little bit higher with you. On base is

787
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: a little bit higher with you, And I think that

788
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: goes into the estimation that the contract for Chwo is

789
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit higher than what Nimo

790
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: ultimately gets. Well, where's Nimo's favor, I suppose, is whether

791
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: teams trust him in center field moving forward to was

792
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: playing a center field entering his walk here, and then

793
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: as soon as he got to Texas, they moved him

794
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: into the corners and he ended up doing a lot

795
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: of dhing as well. With the Marlins in particular, you know,

796
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: they'll give him every chance to play center if they

797
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: were to acquire him as well. Yeah, ultimately, I don't

798
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: think this is going to happen because obviously what all

799
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: the competition is going to be, and we think this

800
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: team they have plenty of opportunities to trade for center

801
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: fielders this offseason. Ultimately, if they settle for a trade,

802
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to get anybody that's as

803
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: complete a player as Nimo is right now. So this

804
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: is optimistic thinking. But that's what we're doing here in

805
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: this final aisle, as you know, shooting for the stars

806
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: a little bit and trying to approve the team, Kevin,

807
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: do you want to take us through Who is that

808
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: other guy that you had picked out? You could take

809
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: us through your case for him? I think it was

810
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: this is Xander Bogart want to spend time with big?

811
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll just quickly shot him out. He's not

812
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: gonna be at Marlin. Neither's the other guy mentioned. I'm

813
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: not gonna mention him, but it was the only other

814
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: two names I really had just for fun, mainly was

815
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: Bogarts and Carlos Correa. But I'm not gonna mention much.

816
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: Carlos Carra, that's never gonna happen. Bogarts, Yeah, three oh seven,

817
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: batting average, three to seventy seven, OVP four fifty six,

818
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: lugging a thirty three ops, fifteen home or seventy three RBI.

819
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: Do lose a little bit of defense, but I mean

820
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: to sacrifice defense, you need to have good offense, and

821
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: that is exactly what Zander Bogarts will provide for you.

822
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: Nax Exa Velos. As you could see on the percentile,

823
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: it is pretty good. It kind of a down year

824
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: when it comes to percentile rankings, But besides that, Bogerts

825
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: is a really dang good player and you pay him

826
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: up in the in the in the infield there with

827
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: Jazz Chisholm, you can you can market it. He's from Aruba,

828
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: I believe that is in the Caribbean, so I guess

829
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: you could say close to home kind of in a way.

830
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: He probably would have family down there, and it's an

831
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: upgrid over Miguel Rojas Migie as you're as a utility player.

832
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: In that case, Bogarts, I believe, is in what in

833
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: his late twenties, early thirties, if everything thirty exactly, so

834
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: you would have him for a couple of years. Now,

835
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 3: this is what obviously a zero percent chance of happening, unless,

836
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: as el I mentioned, Bruce Sherman goes out of his

837
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 3: comfort zone. But we'll see what happens. Bogart's definitely gonna

838
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: get a big deal with the team that actually does spend.

839
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: And I know we've heard the Phillies, the Yankees, I've

840
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: shown interest in Bogart's so we'll see where he goes.

841
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to mention because I know this

842
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: is a player that we mentioned, I believe last season

843
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two about trading for at some point if

844
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: if the price was right. So I wanted to shout

845
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: him out one last time before seeing him sign an

846
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: apse a massive deal.

847
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah he was from twenty So here's a fun stat

848
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: on Bogarts. We're not gonna sign him, And I mean,

849
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: you know that's just you know, your drinking truth here

850
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: and when you say that, just going back though to

851
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and again, this is just to kind of

852
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: give him his dues for how great of an offensive

853
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: short step he is. We know, like you mentioned Kevin

854
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: his shortcomings as a defender. He's averaged five point six

855
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: Baseball Reference War since the start of twenty nineteen if

856
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: you exclude the twenty twenty season, where he was still

857
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: on pace for a pro rided four point six Baseball

858
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: Reference War. If you go back to twenty eighteen, he's

859
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: been about a five win player at shortstop. And you

860
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: could make the case that, you know, this next deal

861
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: could be the deal that helps him pad the stats

862
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: enough to where we're talking about a future Hall of famer,

863
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: Like this is a guy who is nearing forty wins

864
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: above replacement. He's never been beloved as a shortstop defensively,

865
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: but the bat is such that I think he's like

866
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: the closest thing that we have to Derek Jeter, where

867
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna consistently hit over three hundred, he'll flirt with

868
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: twenty home runs, and you know, like you're gonna take

869
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: the lumps with the glove. But if you look at

870
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: his percentile rankings going back to twenty twenty one, it

871
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: was almost like a Wan Soto thing, where Wance So

872
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty was in the

873
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: first percentile and out above average, and then he was

874
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: the following year in the ninetieth. Bogarts was in the

875
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: first percentile last year, and this year jumped all the

876
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: way up to the eighty eight percentile. And I believe

877
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: he was actually worth I believe three or four runs

878
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: by DRS. The arm strength, though, think that's the thing.

879
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: The Marlins don't have an answer at shortstop. And this

880
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: just even if you know theoretically you do sign him

881
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: to a six or a seven year deal, you're signing

882
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: him with knowing that after three or four years that

883
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: he is likely going to have to move the way

884
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: that Corey Seeger will in Texas to third base. He

885
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: played third base when he came up with the Red Sox.

886
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: He even played. I believe his first full season he

887
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: was a primary third baseman because they had resented Stephen Drew,

888
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: and you think maybe he would play a little bit

889
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: better there. I don't think he'll become Manny Machado at

890
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: third base, if that's eventually where he winds up. But yeah,

891
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give him his due. I did

892
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: want to talk about Carlos Correa, though, before I get

893
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: into another guy again, I'm not saying that the Marlins

894
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: will sign him, though I did pen apiece for fish

895
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: strikes last year where I thought that the time may

896
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: have been now for them to really explore the idea

897
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: of signing him. And this is the thing. So I

898
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: gave you guys that comparison with Chew and Brendan Nimo,

899
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: I want to give you a comparison to Correa in

900
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: terms of the deal that I think he'll command, and

901
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: it's Nolan Aernado's deal. So Nolan Aernado signed with the

902
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: Rockies in twenty nineteen, two years before he was traded,

903
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: or a year and a half or so before he

904
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: went to Saint Louis at the end of the twenty season.

905
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: So an eight year two hundred and sixty million dollar deal.

906
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: Here is the comps for those two over the last

907
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: two seasons. Aeronato and Korea both have a adjusted opius

908
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: plus f one thirty five.

909
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: They have.

910
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Aeronado has twelve Baseball reference War twelve point seven for Correa.

911
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Aeron I has a win less of defensive value by

912
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: War again, short step, third basement. It's a different it's

913
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: a different ballgame. Batting runs, they are literally identical. Fifty

914
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: four point six for Aeronato, fifty four point three for Korea.

915
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: Batting wins the exact same five point four. Korea is

916
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: four years younger than Ernado, and we just saw him

917
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: opt out of a three year one hundred and five.

918
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: It was one hundred five million dollars deal with the

919
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: Minnesota Twins that he had signed, so he's gonna likely.

920
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: I wrote down something in the range of nine and

921
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: three fifty just because of posts. He's a pedigree age.

922
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: The only concern with Aeronado like or Korea like Nemo

923
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: is the injury history. Korea does have the history of

924
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: recurring back issues. He missed some time this year, but

925
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: still was a five win player for the Twins, all

926
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: while continuing to play great shortstop and you know, he

927
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: had twenty two home runs. He just you know, he's

928
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: just a terrific overall player. I think of the shortstops

929
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: on the market, that's the guy that maybe commands the

930
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: most money. That would be the guy that if Marlins

931
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: fans you know, are hoping for a shortstop hold out

932
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: for him, maybe, but you're not gonna I mean, like realistically,

933
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: like the chances of him signing are almost akin to

934
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: what they are for Judge coming here. It's like for

935
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: what he does, for what he is at his respective position,

936
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: there's no way that he's gonna wind up here. But

937
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: it is worth noting that if the Marlins were to

938
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: go out and acquire this guy, that it would cost them.

939
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: You you would blow out Stanton's total value in the

940
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: contract by at least twenty million. Like Korea is going

941
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: to get a three hundred million to three hundred and

942
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: thirty plus million dollar deal, And you know, even if

943
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: it's not the Marlins, he's gonna get it regardless because

944
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: that's just the kind of player that he has become

945
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: and has been. I mean, he's another guy like Boguards,

946
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: You're talking about an eventual possible future Hall of Famer

947
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: if he keeps up what he's doing.

948
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: Now, I have a good pivot from here. This is

949
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: the one player I didn't tell you about here in

950
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: my aisle that I want to talk about. He fits

951
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: in the same war range remarkably. I don't know how

952
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: I think that catches a lot of people by surprise

953
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: that Tommy Edman of the Cardinals was a six win

954
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: player this past year, largely because of his defense one

955
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: hundredth percent tile and outs above average. I think he

956
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: won the Gold Glove in twenty twenty one, but in

957
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two you could argue that he was even better.

958
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: And he did that while playing a bunch of different

959
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: positions second base, shortstop, in the outfield, occasionally at third base.

960
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: He goes all over the place of the Cardinals. He

961
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: was primarily their leadoff hitter this past season. But I

962
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: think it shows you both his limitations as a hitter

963
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: and also the depth of the Cardinals team that there

964
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: were times that they dropped him all the way to

965
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: ninth in their line despite him being this supremely valuable player. Overall,

966
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: he is an amazing bas runner. He was one John

967
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Birdie's closest competitors for the National League stolen base ground

968
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: this past year. He still has three more years of

969
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: club control on the Cardinals, and he is, let's say,

970
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. Yeah, he's going to turn twenty

971
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: eight in May. I bring him up because the Cardinals

972
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: are coming off another good year, another very profitable year,

973
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: coming off a year where they should have some financial flexibility.

974
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Like I think they're a team that could go out

975
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: there and just sign one of these short steps that

976
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: we brought up. I think they have a better chance

977
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: of signing Bogarts or even Korea. Probably not Korea, probably

978
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: a little bit down shopping on a slightly less expensive aviile.

979
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: But they could go out and buy a star caliber

980
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: shortstop to compliment their team because of the major league

981
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: talent they already have it a bunch of other positions. Also,

982
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: because their farm system is pretty loaded at the higher

983
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: levels as well, they're going to have some homegrown guys

984
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: that can rely upon at other positions. So I bring

985
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: up Tommy Edmund because as a trade candidate for a

986
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: Cardinals team that could buy some more bats in their

987
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: lineup and could kind of afford to potentially deal somebody

988
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: like edmund selling at what would probably be the peak

989
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: of his value coming off this amazing season that he had,

990
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: where he's still so far away from free agency, they

991
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: could trade him to the Marlns to get the one

992
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: thing that the Cardinals are probably most worried about, which

993
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: is their rotation depth. Like these are two teams that

994
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: were I think mentioned very logically as potential trade partners

995
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of last season because of the questions

996
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals have with the rotation. Adam Wainwright is

997
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: in entering the final year of his career and obviously

998
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: getting up there in age. The Cardinals have had some

999
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: unfortunate setbacks with some of their own young pitchings, such

1000
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: as Jack Flaherty not being able to overcome some of

1001
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: his injuries to get back to the form he had

1002
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: early in their career. If there was a deal Pablo

1003
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: Lopez for Tommy Edmunds, straight up, that'd be a very

1004
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: fun challenge trade to me. I think maybe the Cardinals

1005
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: would be uncomfortable with that. I think they would think

1006
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: long and hard about a one on one for that

1007
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: type of situation. If they're in a position where they

1008
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: can simply buy more bats to fill out their team,

1009
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: and if they have an opportunity to trade for whether

1010
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: it's Pablo, whether it's Luzardo, whether it's one of these

1011
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: other controllable starters of the Marlins have somewhat of a

1012
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: surplus of I think there's a I think it's a

1013
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: long shot, but I can see a creative deal where

1014
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: the Marlins get somebody like Edmund to play whatever whatever

1015
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: position they need him to play, being the very best

1016
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: utility player in baseball, or to just like settle in

1017
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: at one spot. Whether he's going to be their shortstop,

1018
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: he could be their shortstop on an everyday basis. Whether

1019
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: he plays third base, they could he can do that,

1020
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: he can handle that, and he can help them. There

1021
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: not a perfect player, but what he does he does

1022
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: at the very top of the scale as a defender,

1023
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: as a base runner, as a contact hitter with some

1024
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: pretty decent power even relative to his size. So he

1025
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: had an extraordinary year. You expect him to come back

1026
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: down to earth a little bit moving forward, yet he

1027
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: would still be I mentally valuable and versatile. What do

1028
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: you think about Tommy Edmund?

1029
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. I did not know

1030
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: he'd produce that much war this year. But he hit

1031
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: well well enough, you know to well, actually you pretty

1032
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: Dan good two sixty five. But yeah, it makes a

1033
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: lot of sense. I mean, that's the first player that

1034
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: comes to mind when you say what do the Cardinals want?

1035
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: He I mean you mentioned Pablo, maybe Pablo in a

1036
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: lower to your prospect, just to sween the pod a

1037
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: little bit for Saint Louis, see if they would be

1038
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: willing to, you know, get rid of a guy like

1039
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: Tommy Edmund and you do mention that they would be

1040
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: in the market for shortstops. You could also mention maybe

1041
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: Dansby Swanson in that market if if needed be. But

1042
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: I like this a lot. Miami would have their shortstop

1043
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: with the future. And what is the only He is

1044
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: twenty seven, so you could say he's in the prime

1045
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 3: of his career right now and as you mentioned, peak value.

1046
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: So I think this is a really nice acquisition if

1047
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: Miyami does do it. And I know we've mentioned Saint

1048
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: Louis and Miami's trade partners for at least a good

1049
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 3: portion of this year with Pablo rumors and possibly other

1050
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: pitchers going out the door with for Miami. So and

1051
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: they have and yeah, Cardinals had to trade for hose Kintana.

1052
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: They have to make a couple moves here and there

1053
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: with Jordan, you know, acquiring Jordan Montgomery, So they would

1054
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: they definitely need pitching and they would still need it

1055
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: because this is I believe Adam wins Right's final year.

1056
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: So if you're traded for a guy like Pablo, you

1057
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: have him for another year of control and you can

1058
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 3: maybe look to extend him then. So and that goes

1059
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: without any other pitcher on the Marlins rotation that isn't

1060
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: Sandale Contra. So I like this a lot, but I

1061
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: would like to get Lewis to stops.

1062
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I loved Tommy Edmund and I I know

1063
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: ELI has always kind of been high on him. I'm

1064
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've mentioned him your affinity from a points

1065
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: previous this year. He wasn't he an All Star snub

1066
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: at some point this year and he was like an

1067
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: he was a dark horse. I think he's gonna get

1068
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: some down valid MVP votes too, Like just yeah, when

1069
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: you're hitting the way that he is. The only you know,

1070
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: thing that you that scares me with him is the

1071
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: noted offensive struggles at times. The Marlins traded for a

1072
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: guy slightly similar to this in Joey Wendell, though I

1073
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: think Wendall's not as great of a player. I think, God, yeah,

1074
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: Edmund walks at a better rate, and though he does

1075
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: have defensive versatility like Wendell does, but yeah, Edmund Edmonds

1076
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: just such an exciting player, the ability to you know,

1077
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: he has power in him. The thing is is like

1078
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: you could, like you said, he like, you could plug

1079
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 2: him in as your everyday shortstop and not feel bad

1080
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: about that. He's one of those super utility guys. Were

1081
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: like a Wendel who was excellent at both third and

1082
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: second base or is it shortstop? In that third base

1083
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: you would feel comfortable if you played second, but you

1084
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: don't want to do that because you have Jazz. You

1085
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: can play him a shortstop. You can even spell him

1086
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: in the outfield. He's like if John Birdie's bat was

1087
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: a lot more consistent in terms of what you get

1088
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: for him. I definitely think Pablo is like the starting

1089
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: point in that conversation. Absolutely, Pablo's a free agent. What

1090
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: at the end of twenty twenty four, twenty is at

1091
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty three, so you get two

1092
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: years of Pablo Lopez at most sixty plus starts. You

1093
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: would also, you know, I would think maybe you would

1094
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: have to trade another pitcher. Maybe one of those relievers

1095
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: is something that they do. We've seen their ability or

1096
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: I guess their inability to figure out Jordan Hicks post

1097
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: Tommy John So do they want a soreanna want to trade?

1098
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 2: Is it worth parting with a guy like Edmund who's

1099
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: gonna give you average to slightly above average offense with

1100
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: the defense that he clearly had sensibility clearly has. I

1101
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: think it's worth parting with a sharter and or reliever.

1102
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't really see all that much there, but to

1103
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: be to be honest with you, knowing the Cardinals, I

1104
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if he commands three players in a trade.

1105
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: It's just he's such a player that, you know, the

1106
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: Cardinals asking price for him maybe high if they're willing

1107
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: to part with him. They just lost Paul the Young.

1108
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: They just got rid of Paul the Young, who never

1109
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: really who doesn't work over for them long term, So

1110
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: he may be their short stuff if they don't sign

1111
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: a guy. Yeah, it could be a market that would

1112
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: be slow to developed because if they if they are

1113
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: in on a shortstop. We you know, they would have

1114
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: to sign somebody and then have a trade in place

1115
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: for Edmund, But you know, it remains to be seen.

1116
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: And I love the Cardinals team as a whole when

1117
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: you think of it, just their defense, because they have

1118
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: a ton of gold Glovers. I mean Paul Goldsmith, you

1119
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: have Nolan Arnatto, Tommy Edmand. I know, they have one

1120
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: of the best defensive outfields in the league. So getting

1121
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: one of those guys is definitely going to boost the

1122
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: defenses as a hole. So some of those plays that

1123
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: were muffled this year by the Marlins, you're definitely going

1124
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: to see an improvement at least on that end of

1125
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: the shortstop for Tommy Edmand and wherever else you're playing,

1126
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: because I know he's a utility guy, so wherever you play,

1127
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: and you'll definitely get an upgrade, a huge, huge upgrade.

1128
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: Therefore, Indianfield, yeah, outside the box, I'm sure they love

1129
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: him over there. They're not gonna let him go easily.

1130
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: It had to be very creative, again, contingent on the

1131
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals doing something else out independent of this to kind

1132
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: of solidify themselves at shortstop. They're not going to create

1133
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: a big question mark for themselves where they're still in

1134
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: the middle of contention. I think this could happen. I

1135
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: think this could happen, and it's sort of outside the box,

1136
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: but I think these teams do match up well one

1137
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: way or another, whether it's on a much lower scale

1138
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: between the Cardinals and the Marlins that it's been a

1139
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: few years since they've made a trade with one another,

1140
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: so I think they're overdue for something like this. But Lewis,

1141
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: I know you have one other player for sure that

1142
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: we wanted to touch on here.

1143
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: So give them to us if you want to. I

1144
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: guess amend forgoing the defense of Leywan Diez for an

1145
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: established big leaguer, and you want to resort to the

1146
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: frugality that the Marlins are accustomed to doing, then why

1147
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: not go for a guy like Christian Walker. Offensively, I

1148
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: think he's very similar to Garrett Cooper and on a

1149
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: great set basis, he may slightly be less of a

1150
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: productive offensive player. Believe there's like a five point differential

1151
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: and ops plus, but he's Garret Cooper with the durability

1152
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, you can hit

1153
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: a thousand, but if you play one game, it ain't

1154
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: gonna mean anything right. You need to be on the

1155
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: field to produce. Walker has power. He is an excellent defender.

1156
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: I believe he won the goal this year at first base.

1157
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: He you know, he's in Arizona. I think he only

1158
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: has one one more year of club control. If I'm

1159
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: not mistaken or no, he's actually of club control of

1160
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: him through twenty twenty four. The only thing that could

1161
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: make it beyond him having such a great year. He

1162
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: was a five win player. That's why he's on this list.

1163
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: The only thing that could make him difficult to I

1164
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: think pry away from Arizona is the fact that, like

1165
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, but to a slightly lesser degree, they have

1166
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: a burgeoning young core in what could be a new

1167
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: era for Diamondbacks baseball. We saw the end the well

1168
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: baseball world kind of get introduced on a larger scale

1169
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: to Corby and Carroll. Speedy guy who looks to be

1170
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: in their outfield for years to come. Jake McCarthy fourth

1171
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: in the Book of the Year, voting Alec Thomas, who

1172
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: we've talked about before as a trade candidate. Obviously, Zach Gallen,

1173
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: Marlon Fance don't like hearing that name because of the

1174
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: memories that it brings up, Kittel Marquee who is locked

1175
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: up there for a long time, and then Walker Walker

1176
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: being another piece of that you know, possible competitive puzzle.

1177
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: Say if twenty twenty three is other year they want

1178
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: to compete next year, that can make him a little

1179
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: bit harder to acquire. But I think personally like he'd

1180
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: be an easier guy to get than Edmund. Obviously he

1181
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: doesn't offer you in the way of defensive versatility, but

1182
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: he gives you power and he gives you defense, And

1183
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: to be honest, you know he owns a was it

1184
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: a seven eighty but a seven eighty four ohps is

1185
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: what he posted this year. If leywin Dia is manifested

1186
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: to be that with the defense that he has, Marlin

1187
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: fans would be okay with it. I don't think he

1188
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't be among the better offensive first basemen in the

1189
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: big leagues, But because of the glove, I think he

1190
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: would be immensely valuable because he's hitting enough to justify

1191
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: him being in that line up on a daily basis.

1192
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: I think that's what you would get with a guy

1193
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: like Walker, and I don't think he would be expensive

1194
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: to stand either, just because I don't think he you know,

1195
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: he's not a guy who I see, you know, getting

1196
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: a big deal in free agency. Should he know when

1197
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: he hits it in a couple of years. But I

1198
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: think he would be the perfect replacement for Leylan if

1199
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to spend the money you don't want

1200
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: and you don't want to sacrifice anything in the way defense,

1201
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: all while upgrading your offense. I think it's a win

1202
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: win in that regard.

1203
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: And this is a team that you can maybe even

1204
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: trade pitching too, which is what they need. I mean,

1205
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: when you look at their rotation, Ya and Merrill, Kelly

1206
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: have Zach Allen, but after that, you really don't have

1207
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: anything too crazy. Yeah, maybe you have mad bum But

1208
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: besides that, I mean, maybe they would like it at

1209
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: work Cabrera. You traded at with Cabrera or Brax and

1210
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: Garrett over to Arizona, and that would they would definitely

1211
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: And you would ask for Christian Walker, not one for one.

1212
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: Miami maybe would have to give up a little bit more,

1213
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: but Edward Cabrera maybe on that team would would be

1214
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: a nice fit. I agree with everything you said. Lewis

1215
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. He does just a little

1216
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: bit less than Gary Cooper offensively. But I mean, if

1217
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: you're getting good defense from a guy like Christian Walker,

1218
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: you can sacrifice a little bit of offense in that

1219
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: case and you'll be able to platoon Coop and Christian

1220
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Walker this season, or or you trade away Coop and

1221
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: you get some prospect up there.

1222
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: I think it opens the door to get rid of

1223
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: him entirely. I think, because he's on the field more,

1224
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: the five points and adjusted ops plus are going to

1225
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: be so atomic and scope that it's not gonna matter.

1226
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: I think, you know he's gonna be out there every day.

1227
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: You can at least depend on him more. He's got

1228
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: the durability factor, which you can't depend on what Coop.

1229
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: We know, So Layer's picked up his fifteen million dollar option,

1230
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: so merely on that basis, you have to kind of

1231
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 2: play him every day, barring health as your everyday DH.

1232
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: You don't want to play him in the outfield, you know,

1233
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have if you're gonna have a guy

1234
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: like so Layer there, you may as well just have

1235
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: a guy playing for his base who's gonna give you

1236
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: above average offense with the glove, and you know, that's

1237
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: something I think that is incredibly valuable. ELI really want

1238
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on this one, though, because I

1239
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: know we've talked about this leading up to this pod tonight.

1240
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: I think you guys glossed over something pretty important here.

1241
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: Christian Walker last year alone had almost as many home

1242
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: runs as Garrett Cooper has in his entire Big League career.

1243
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: The differences between them in terms of over the fence power,

1244
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: steady over the fence power, and availability in the combination

1245
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: of those two, it's a pretty big difference Christian Walker.

1246
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: If we're going to stick to war, I mean, I

1247
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: think he's had more war last year than Cooper has

1248
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: had in his entire career. His defense and his powers

1249
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: what really propped him up, and his defense really came

1250
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: out of nowhere for somebody as recently as a year

1251
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: and a half ago. He was totally obscure in the

1252
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Dbacks team. He's a player that was just kind of

1253
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: shuffling between Triple A and the majors, and his over

1254
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: the fence power wasn't really showing up in twenty twenty

1255
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: one and not so much twenty twenty. So this was

1256
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: certainly an anomaly in his career, and as with a

1257
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: lot of players in this category, you anticipate a little

1258
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: bit of regression moving forward, and I guess that's how

1259
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: we arrive at the idea that you know, he's an upgrade,

1260
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: but nobody to go crazy about. There's a reason, though,

1261
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: why he is in this aisle. He really had a

1262
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: remarkable season, and if they were to acquire him, he

1263
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: is right up there with the top tier of realistically

1264
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: available first basement. I prefer somebody like Jose Abrau, where

1265
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: the offensive profile is just so well rounded, but maybe

1266
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: they don't spend the money. And we've talked about how

1267
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: much we like Anthony Rizzo, he is now off the market.

1268
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about branded belt. That's an interesting one as well,

1269
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: but he is several years older and has a lot

1270
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: more injury concerns. I mean, Christian Walker is about as

1271
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: good as they can realistically do at first base. So

1272
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make that clear that if they're

1273
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: able to get this done with him, trading from this

1274
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: deep crop of controllable starting pitching to get it done

1275
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: and like that is something to be extremely excited about. Yeah,

1276
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: it's been also speculated that you know, these teams could

1277
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: match up with some of those aforementioned young outfielders. Just

1278
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: like the Cardinals, the Dbecks are a team that you

1279
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: can see a lot of different potential permutations this offseason

1280
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: of deals that make sense for both sides.

1281
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: I even try to put together a hypothetical trade today

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01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: on Baseball trade values, and Christian Walker's trade value is

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01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: at a three point seven. It's not that high. Peyton

1284
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 2: and Verdick, for context, is at a three point six,

1285
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: And why would they even feel comfortable with doing that

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: on a one to one swap. I know they have

1287
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: a gluttony of great young outfielders there, so I don't

1288
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: even know what a good outfielder, what an outfler like

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: that would do. I feel like trading Edward Cabrera while

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: current value maybe it's like slightly similar. You could be

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01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 2: taking a risk there. I don't think Kevin, you mentioned

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: Braxton Garrett. They have Bumgarner, who's gonna have to pitch

1293
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: because he's owed on two more years of that deal.

1294
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: So I don't think, you know, putting another soft tossing

1295
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: left in that rotation would benefit them all that much.

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: It would give him, yes, the opportunity to get regular

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: starts because he's not going to be, you know, fighting

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: for innings and a Marlins rotation where you're just all, well,

1299
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: you're more well rounded than Arizona's. But yeah, at the

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01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's just like you you've kind

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01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: of prefaced it by saying they're going to have to trade,

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's an outfielder or a starting pitcher,

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01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: they're going to have to do something. I mean, it's

1304
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: but you know, it's even a matter of whether or

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: not they even entertain the idea of acquiring I guess

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01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: I think maybe he's a fallback option if you don't

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01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: acquire a break or a Brandon Bell or you know,

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01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: somebody else available on the market.

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01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: Is mad Buman the final year of his deal.

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: No, he's in the third year of a five year,

1311
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: seventy seven million dollars deal if I'm not mistaken, or

1312
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: he's entering the fourth year, and obviously that deal has

1313
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: not gone well for them. But he's lefty with subpar

1314
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: fastball velocity. Have Gallen who's average above average when it

1315
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: comes to fastball velocity, although he tunnels it well with

1316
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: his other stuff, So that's different. You know, a rotation

1317
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: with three lefties as you know, funky as that would be.

1318
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't know, but Cabrera would

1319
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: give them an added dynamic to compliment Gallon, although I

1320
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm too comfortable with trading him for

1321
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:30,440
Speaker 2: a guy like a a Walker though I mean hypothetically,

1322
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: if you know, we talked about a guy like Alec Thomas.

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01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: I believe we touched on in one of the earlier episodes.

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, imagine and Edward Cabrera for Alec Thomas and

1325
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: Christian Walker trade. You know, from a baseball trade value perspective,

1326
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: it's not the worst idea in the world, but I

1327
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: don't know, it's you know, we just kind of have

1328
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: to play the laiting game with the Marlin front office.

1329
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: See what they do, you know, see how the first

1330
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: base market shapes up after the Rizzo deal today.

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01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: Yep, this is a PSA for people to not just Lewise,

1332
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: but everybody out there that enjoys using baseball trade values.

1333
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a useful tool. But this is also

1334
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: a tool that I just checked coming before coming on

1335
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: to this, when I suggested the Pablo for Tommy Edmund arrangement.

1336
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: They have Pablo significantly more valuable than Tommy Edmund and

1337
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that lines up with conventional wisdom. So

1338
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: it's not with the Christian Walker as well, just because

1339
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: they say that he had middling value. I don't know

1340
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: if you had to totally buy into that. I use

1341
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: it on the opposite end of my thinking process, where

1342
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: I put together the deal in my minds and then

1343
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: I run it through the system. And unless there's like

1344
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: a really egregious disparity between what I think and what

1345
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: they calculate, then it shouldn't like totally dictate the way

1346
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: that we view this market. There are surprises. There are

1347
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: surprises out there. Sometimes they're behind on the way that

1348
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: they evaluate certain players as well. It's a fun tool

1349
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: that is kind of addicting. That is, it is fun

1350
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: to put out there, and we're gonna get a lot

1351
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: of use out of it. The reout this offseason. Is

1352
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: there anybody else that we just wanted to give a

1353
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 1: quick mention too before we wrap up off season shopping.

1354
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could mention some of the

1355
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 3: Dodger guys. Gavin Lux, who I know in the Marlins,

1356
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: definitely had interest in the trade deadline when Pablo, you know,

1357
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: possibly almost went to la You can mention Cody Bellinger

1358
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: if they want to really get a center field to

1359
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 3: give him a shot, to Oscar Hernandez. And if we're

1360
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 3: looking at guys who I could see the Marlins zoom

1361
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: because they're the Marlins, Jusuly Guriel. I could see that happening.

1362
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want it to happen because I'd rather have

1363
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: a guy like cose A Brew as you mentioned. But

1364
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: those are some guys that we could throw out there

1365
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 3: that we did not mention in prior episodes. I had

1366
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: Jock Peterson as one of them, but obviously he took

1367
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 3: the qualifier, so he's back with US San Francisco.

1368
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no other names on my part. I think maybe

1369
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: if they want to bat, Gavin Sheets is a projectable

1370
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: name that you could maybe like with the White Sox, although,

1371
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: like so Laier, he's a man withou a position right now,

1372
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: like Cooper, do it that way you will, though, like

1373
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: I said, the team needs power. They were fourteen from

1374
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: the National League and home runs, so it's you know,

1375
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 2: it remains to be seen. You know, you can briefly

1376
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: touch on a guy like Dansby Swanson because I don't.

1377
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean again, I don't, and I don't even feel

1378
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 2: comfortable enough saying that. I've seen a lot of the

1379
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: forecasted contracts for him this offseason, and have you know,

1380
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: really it's really cause been a great cause for concern

1381
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: for me because I'm not going to pay. You know,

1382
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: I've heard I've seen guys the rest ofments out there,

1383
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: something like five hundred million for a short stop with

1384
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: a career adjusted ops plus of ninety five. I'm not

1385
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: paying for a glorified Jack Wilson. I'm not trying to be,

1386
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, condescending, but at the end of the day,

1387
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: I don't even think. I don't think Swanson's like the

1388
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: fifth best short step that's available in this offseason and

1389
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: you're gonna commit dollars to him. I'd feel more comfortable

1390
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: giving him a contract like that, and I wouldn't even

1391
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: do it guy like Edmund and he's still under keep control. Yeah, Swanson,

1392
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: but Swanson is a good defender, he had a good

1393
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: offensive season. He'll get paid. Marlin's need to short st up.

1394
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a guy, but you know, it's

1395
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: just a name to throw out there because it's a need.

1396
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: They have, they're in the market for a shortstop again.

1397
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: It just you know, we're playing the winning game. The

1398
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: off season is in full swing, so we'll kind of see,

1399
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: I guess where things go.

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1401
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: Hopefully if we reconvene at the end of the twenty

1402
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: twenty three season and we do this again, the Marlins

1403
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: are in a place where we're not forecasting a lot

1404
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: of these grandiose ideas of guys for them to acquire,

1405
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: and they have a better idea of where they see

1406
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: this team moving forward. But again, for to repeat myself,

1407
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: it just remains to be seen.

1408
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: It's been a fun to ride.

1409
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: With Lewis adia Wis, Kevin Burrall on Eli Sussman. This

1410
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: is the fourth and final installment of Marlin's Offseason Shopping,

1411
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 1: with most of the items still on the shelves and

1412
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: the Marlins still we think, some money to spend and

1413
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: a lot of prospect capital to potentially use to improve

1414
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: their team heading into twenty twenty three. For the official show,

1415
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: closing it out here, Thanks for all the support and

1416
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: an exciting off season is just beginning to unfold here

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: before us, as always, go Fish