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Speaker 1: They all need to be better, and I think that

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Speaker 1: to seventeen, even eighteen. Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Network Cubs podcast. I'm Sadi Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney,

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Speaker 1: where your Cubs beat writers for the Athletic Patrick. We

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Speaker 1: recorded last right before Thursday's game.

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Speaker 2: And a lot happened.

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Speaker 1: That was a The council had some very pointed comments

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Speaker 1: mince his words. There's a big gap this team needs

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, building ninety win teams. And then

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Speaker 1: the players backed him up and on Monday in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer agreed. So they're in agreement. They got to

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Speaker 1: go do it. Everybody wants to win, now build a team.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: It was somewhere Carlos Sombrano is saying, we stink, smuttering.

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Speaker 3: That everyone this is this is uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I think it's nice for the fans to hear. I

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Speaker 1: think it was good for counsel to be so blunt.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there on Thursday when when this was said, so,

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Speaker 1: why don't you kind of share how it came across

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Speaker 5: Well started Thursday with like five minutes of questions about

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Speaker 4: Update line of questioning and then you know counsel as

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Speaker 4: you know Sid it had been very much deferential in

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Speaker 5: But also evasive when.

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Speaker 4: Asked those like big picture questions like he wanted he

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Speaker 4: you know, at zero or slightly above zero, kind of

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Speaker 4: gave him.

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Speaker 4: I think I'd essentially asked him about, you know, areas

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Speaker 4: and that he had this chance to awk a little

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Speaker 4: more directly and frankly, and he said, there's there's a

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Speaker 4: it was like roughly a ten game deficit at that

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Speaker 4: you could tell he was annoyed, not the question, but

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Speaker 4: just at the he's bothered by this season, and that

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Speaker 5: There's a little different edge to his voice.

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Speaker 4: And then I think it landed differently because he's always

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Speaker 5: Like, oh, all that stuff, you know.

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Speaker 4: And then for him to just, you know, in the

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Speaker 4: like ownership setting priorities, the business side giving the Cubs

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Speaker 4: maximum resources as a big market team, and then clearly

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Speaker 4: Jed Hoyer and Carter Hawkins their baseball operations department delivering

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Speaker 4: more talent over and over again, and this just had

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Speaker 1: And then It's just as simple as like spending aggressively,

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Speaker 4: they could probably roll that out for a couple of

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Speaker 4: years and they'd be pretty confident that they're not going

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Speaker 4: to be in last place. But you look at you know,

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Speaker 4: something as small as like all those tie breakers, right,

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Speaker 4: like have they had a winning record against anyone that's

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Speaker 4: going to make the playoffs?

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Speaker 5: There may be one. Maybe they tied the Dodgers.

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Speaker 4: Either way, Like when yeah, when we're looking at sort

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Speaker 4: of the like you know we're in September, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: add one more game to the games back because they

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Speaker 4: lost the season series to the Diamondbacks, the Padres the break.

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Speaker 4: It just you know, they're not better than these playoff teams,

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Speaker 4: and like this stuff isn't static, like not saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Nationals are going to make the playoffs next year,

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Speaker 4: but like they're clearly trying to build something Like I

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Speaker 4: don't know if the Reds next manager will have some

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Speaker 4: sort of like magic formula, but like they got a

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Speaker 4: lot of interesting young players that they were supposed to

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Speaker 4: take a step forward this year. Like don't know what's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen with the Giants, but like they're a team

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Speaker 4: that wants to spend money and that has spent some

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Speaker 4: money on players, and like is sort of in that

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Speaker 4: same bracket as the Cubs of like the middle of

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Speaker 4: the National League trying to break through. And you're right

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Speaker 4: about the Mets, I mean the Mets could be building

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Speaker 4: like the Dodgers of the East, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: the Phillies will fall off a cliff, but like who

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Speaker 4: knows where we'll all be by then, you know, like

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Speaker 4: this is Baseball Council put it well the other day

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Speaker 4: of like nothing is promised for next year and so sure,

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Speaker 4: like I will give Jed credit in terms of like

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Speaker 4: I did not see Isaac Paradis trade coming.

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Speaker 5: Michael Bush was not really on our radar.

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Speaker 4: Showeda certainly was, but I did not expect them to

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Speaker 4: be this good, this fast, and this good on a

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Speaker 4: sustained run really from wire to wire, like dominance as

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Speaker 4: the most valuable player on this team. So sure, there

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Speaker 4: are definitely moves that they could pull off this winter

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Speaker 4: that takes them there. Just like we always say what

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Speaker 4: THEO would say, they just have to be right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned those moves there at the end,

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Speaker 1: like the est ocparatist Michael Bush showed a like more

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Speaker 1: of those are going to be needed. There's not you know,

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Speaker 1: if it's not the quick fix, then there's not an

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Speaker 1: obvious way to do this. So it takes creativity, aggressiveness,

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Speaker 1: and count like a lot of due diligence and it starts.

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Speaker 1: It started probably around the deadline, right, Like a lot

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Speaker 1: of times when you talk to scouts out out at

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Speaker 1: ballparks at the deadline, they're scouting for the off season

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's kind of when it starts.

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Speaker 1: So it so this is this process is started, but

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Speaker 1: we're not really gonna know what's happening for like another

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Speaker 1: six weeks or so, right, we we've got some time

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Speaker 1: before we really understand what and even then, geez, it's

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Speaker 1: probably longer than that, right because that's only like a

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Speaker 1: week into November. So like this is gonna, this is

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Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna have to wait to really understand what's happening,

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Speaker 1: how they're gonna attack this. So we've got some time

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Speaker 1: to figure it out and break it all down. Uh,

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Speaker 1: six more games, five more games, five more games to.

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Speaker 2: Get through on this season.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they don't mean much, you know, there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot to break down there. But this is it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a long yet again a critical Every off season

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Speaker 1: is critical. I've realized. I've been saying that for ten years.

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Speaker 1: So so every off season one one. So so they

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Speaker 1: have some work to do and and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: fascinating to see how they execute. If they can execute

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Speaker 1: and and put together, they're a team that you know,

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Speaker 1: you feel good about on paper, uh and and you

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Speaker 1: know even ultimately none of that matters. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to see how next season goes. That's that's it's a

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Speaker 1: It's a big one for Jed and Carter in the

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Speaker 1: front office.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's it's when when I say critical,

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Speaker 2: it's for that.

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Speaker 1: It's this is this could be the off season that

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Speaker 1: determines how long they're they're around. Patrick Will. We'll have

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Speaker 1: more for the fans the rest of this week. Thanks

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