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Speaker 2: country of origin stops letting American passport holders into your country.
Speaker 4: Right, and tell us which passports we should use hypothetically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've got stacks.
Speaker 5: Got drawers of them along with our loose diamonds floorboards.
Speaker 4: No comment on that one. But I forgot one fact
Speaker 4: we did not include in our episode on the disappear
Speaker 4: of Harold Holts. You guys, and I want to thank
Speaker 4: our Australian conspiracy realist Teres who hips me to this. Originally,
Speaker 4: there is a there's a lot of stuff named after
Speaker 4: Harold Holt in Australia and one of those things is
Speaker 4: the Harold Holt Memorial Swimming Center.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's nice.
Speaker 5: Feels a little dark, yeah, I bet, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He was a strong swimmer. Yeah, that's right. He was
Speaker 5: a strong swim.
Speaker 3: He was a strong swimmer, a lifelong swimmer.
Speaker 5: And use the buddy system.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, just see and listen for the whistle, as
Speaker 4: they say in Summer Camp. We are so happy to
Speaker 4: explore some of our correspondence that we receive around the
Speaker 4: clock twenty four hours, seven nights a week. We're going
Speaker 4: to hear from Angry Biscuit, We're going to talk with
Speaker 4: Proud with Flea. Before we do any of that, however,
Speaker 4: we're going to dive into something that's been sort of
Speaker 4: a hobby horse of ours ever since our series on
Speaker 4: astrology and the government. Could there be a scientific basis
Speaker 4: for astrology. This is a series of continuing conversations, and boy,
Speaker 4: we got a lot of responses, didn't we know?
Speaker 5: We did, And we're going to talk about one in
Speaker 5: particular from our buddy Astrolo John. After a word from
Speaker 5: our sponsor, and we're back with today's first piece of
Speaker 5: listener correspondence from Astrolo John. Astrolo John begins, Hey guys,
Speaker 5: longtime listener, first time writer. I recently listened to your
Speaker 5: two parter on astrology and government and wanted to share
Speaker 5: some thoughts I've had on astrology as a scientist with
Speaker 5: a background in ecology, evolution, and environmental science, in case
Speaker 5: they are useful for a future episode on the topic.
Speaker 5: Boy are they, Astrolojohn. After dismissing the subject out of
Speaker 5: hand for most of my life, I think like many
Speaker 5: of us did, A few years back, I decided to
Speaker 5: give it a look with a more open mind, and now,
Speaker 5: after wading through mountains of bulls beat me there, I
Speaker 5: think I've found a few things of interest. My current
Speaker 5: view is that astrology is essentially the answer to a
Speaker 5: question I haven't seen asked much in the scientific community.
Speaker 5: How do species create individuals? With distinct and varied personalities.
Speaker 5: As someone who grew up in a big family, it
Speaker 5: always struck me how my siblings and I had such
Speaker 5: different personalities and consequent life trajectories despite sharing the same
Speaker 5: parents and environment. And it seemed to me this pattern
Speaker 5: would also be crucial in determining the evolutionary success of
Speaker 5: populations of any type of social animal. Essentially, if every
Speaker 5: individual in a breeding population had the same personality type,
Speaker 5: it seems like they would be less able to adapt
Speaker 5: to changes in their environment than a population that had
Speaker 5: many different personality types. For example, a group of all
Speaker 5: risk averse homebodies would be great at building small communities
Speaker 5: but terrible at making new discoveries, while a group of
Speaker 5: restless wanderers would be the opposite. But how could evolution
Speaker 5: generate an array of personality types that aren't necessarily dependent
Speaker 5: on genetic lineage. Well, one way to do it would
Speaker 5: be through linking individual brain development to the bands of
Speaker 5: the Earth's electromagnetic field that are influenced by the other
Speaker 5: nearby or large bodies in our solar system, the Sun, Moon,
Speaker 5: and other planets. As we and the other planets orbit
Speaker 5: around the Sun, the electromagnetic field of the Earth is
Speaker 5: subtly pushed and pulled in predictable but complex ways. Recent
Speaker 5: experiments like the one shown in this veritassium video, oh
Speaker 5: Man veritassium. I actually met the guy that does those
Speaker 5: videos when we were in the Middle East recently, and
Speaker 5: his name is Derek Muller and a really lovely dude,
Speaker 5: excellent science communicator and really some high quality videos there
Speaker 5: on his YouTube veritassium like the one that Astroojohn mentions
Speaker 5: here he goes on. Videos like this have shown that
Speaker 5: human brain waves change in response to very small changes
Speaker 5: in the Earth's field, creating a link between our brains,
Speaker 5: the Earth, and the rest of our solar system. Tapping
Speaker 5: into this phenomena would allow for an essentially infinite variety
Speaker 5: of personalities that were all built from the same dozen
Speaker 5: or so building blocks. Taking a tentative step out into
Speaker 5: this tree branch led me to a few additional ideas.
Speaker 5: The first was that the zodiac constellations merely serve as
Speaker 5: the number on a watch face, simply providing markers against
Speaker 5: which we can measure the watch hands of the Sun, moon,
Speaker 5: and planets. This does away with concerns about the procession
Speaker 5: of the equinox and the thirteenth zodiac sign, as well
Speaker 5: as any woo woo magical force needed to link extremely
Speaker 5: distant an ancient starlight to brain functionality here on earth.
Speaker 5: The second was that this astrological effect wouldn't really be
Speaker 5: a tool for divination other than some loose probabilities based
Speaker 5: around the type of personalities generated in a given period
Speaker 5: of time. The third was that all of this could
Speaker 5: be super useful as a framework for better unders standing
Speaker 5: and predicting human behavior on larger scales if we are
Speaker 5: someday able to put it on any kind of real
Speaker 5: scientific foundation. I'll leave it there for now since this
Speaker 5: is already getting along. But in short, I think there
Speaker 5: are some tantalizing clues that there might be some real
Speaker 5: truths hidden away behind the astrology label that deserves some
Speaker 5: real study. Love to hear y'all's thoughts on all this.
Speaker 5: Thanks for all the years of quality information and entertainment. PS.
Speaker 5: If this ends up being read, you can refer to
Speaker 5: me as John, or as my wife calls me when
Speaker 5: I'm hyperfixating on this stuff Astrolojohn. That's so cool. I
Speaker 5: don't even know where to start. It's like you gave
Speaker 5: a name and a basis, a scientific basis to the
Speaker 5: things that are often observed as being like the truths
Speaker 5: behind astrology and the parts that make it more you know,
Speaker 5: kind of like captivating, because I think if anybody takes
Speaker 5: a hard enough look at astrology, you're going to find
Speaker 5: some things that maybe seem outside of just the fortune
Speaker 5: cookiness of it all and the sort of random to
Speaker 5: your point, ben Horoscope kind of writing of it all.
Speaker 5: I just thought this was brilliant, and you know, I
Speaker 5: think it puts a lot of shape and a lot
Speaker 5: of meat on the bones of some things that we three.
Speaker 5: I think we're already kind of considering what do you
Speaker 5: guys think, n.
Speaker 2: Estrala John Nay I say to you, and I'm just
Speaker 2: show you. I think there's just a couple other things
Speaker 2: that I was thinking about as we're reading through Estralo
Speaker 2: John's message here together. The first thing is just I
Speaker 2: think that initial link to like between the brain and
Speaker 2: all those things, saying that a group of people growing
Speaker 2: up in the same environment aren't going to have any
Speaker 2: changes in between them, because we do know we know
Speaker 2: studies like the same family depending on the birth order
Speaker 2: of children in that family. There are generalized personality traits
Speaker 2: that can be applied, not always right. Again, it's generalized,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't always work, but just small things. If everybody,
Speaker 2: even though everybody has the same family members, the same environment,
Speaker 2: all that same stuff. The place where you sleep inside
Speaker 2: a dwelling might change your personality a little bit. The
Speaker 2: order in which you are allowed to take food from
Speaker 2: the plate right from when you're eating a family dinner
Speaker 2: might change your personality a bit. There's so many little,
Speaker 2: tiny variables inside what we would consider the same environment
Speaker 2: that I think I think you can't just attribute that
Speaker 2: and say, well, it's all that you know, the same
Speaker 2: personality type is going to grow from this because everybody
Speaker 2: was around generally the same people in the same place.
Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more. I just think it's
Speaker 5: an interesting hypothesis, yes, or another factor, you know, another
Speaker 5: determining factor in addition to some of those things that
Speaker 5: you mentioned, Matt, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't that doesn't mean I'm trying to throw
Speaker 2: water in this thing immediately. And fully, I think just
Speaker 2: those are things you also have to take into account
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: And if I could weigh a doctor Astrolojohn by the way. Congratulations, right,
Speaker 4: doctor Astrologoon, this is a real scratch behind the ears
Speaker 4: or the tentacles for me. We had discussed, you know,
Speaker 4: we mentioned at the top that we've had quite a
Speaker 4: bit of exciting correspondence about a possible scientific basis or quantitative,
Speaker 4: concrete basis for what people call astrology across cultures and time.
Speaker 4: We didn't put this on the air because it's a
Speaker 4: little too weird, but I am very much of the
Speaker 4: same mind with you. I've discussed it with Nola and
Speaker 4: Matt as well. I love the idea of electromagnetic energy.
Speaker 4: My thought was going toward gravity and fetal development. I
Speaker 4: actually I wrote a piece about this that I am
Speaker 4: overdue to send you, so check out that email. I
Speaker 4: just believe that is such a great a great place
Speaker 4: to start the concept of first off, differentiation of personality.
Speaker 4: And Matt, you make a great point regarding the myriad
Speaker 4: of variables. I've figured to pyramids too because of something
Speaker 4: later on today. But there are so many variables that
Speaker 4: must need to be accounted for. So we've worked up
Speaker 4: a rough, extremely unethical methodology for evaluating maybe the effective
Speaker 4: gravity on the development of the human brain, ultimately leading
Speaker 4: to My favorite idea, could you create horoscopes for artificial intelligence?
Speaker 5: We all, well, it all goes back to nature nurture, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, And to me, a lot of the things
Speaker 5: that you mentioned, Matt an addition, are somewhat nurture oriented.
Speaker 5: If you're talking about like the social order of it all.
Speaker 5: What what you know, when you get to eat off
Speaker 5: of the plate, that is a form of nurture where
Speaker 5: you are being you're receiving certain types of what's the reinforcement?
Speaker 5: I guess, and maybe you are the alpha, you know,
Speaker 5: if you're eating first, or even just birth order is
Speaker 5: the concept of being the big the big sibling, the
Speaker 5: older sibling, et cetera. Those things can have an impact
Speaker 5: because of the way older siblings are treated, you know,
Speaker 5: and so there's a nature quality there and then there's
Speaker 5: a nurture quality. I just love the idea of some
Speaker 5: of these astral bodies. As we know, you know, electromagnetism
Speaker 5: from the moon certainly affects human bodies in many forms,
Speaker 5: and I just think the idea of it having an
Speaker 5: impact on fetus is developing brains feels right to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we're talking about, right, That's what I'm
Speaker 4: saying humans very currently have very little understanding of gravity
Speaker 4: and gravitational effects. We know it affects all things in
Speaker 4: the known universe. We know we can observe gravity and
Speaker 4: easily reproducible instances in the local universe, but we don't
Speaker 4: really know why. It's a thing where the full extent
Speaker 4: of its action of very small and very large horizons
Speaker 4: of observation. Let's call them doctor astrologod and I love
Speaker 4: the name. The second thing humanity still doesn't understand fully
Speaker 4: is the development of the human brain, especially in gestation. Right,
Speaker 4: So we're going to send this to you. I think
Speaker 4: we're very much on the same page. You've given us
Speaker 4: a lot to think about with electromagnetic activity in particular,
Speaker 4: I was going in a gravitational direction, and I believe
Speaker 4: we talked about this a little bit on error, but
Speaker 4: we haven't done the full We didn't do the full
Speaker 4: breakdown of the idea or the argument. So we're gonna
Speaker 4: I'll send that to you as soon as we're done
Speaker 4: recording today, Doctor Astrologoon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really have anything else to add you' all.
Speaker 5: I just thought this was the email alone is a
Speaker 5: lot of food for thought. For conspiracy realists out there
Speaker 5: as well as for us. I'm going to need to
Speaker 5: sleep on this one for a minute, but thanks so
Speaker 5: much Astrolojohn, PhD for writing into us and for these
Speaker 5: really fantastic insights.
Speaker 2: We need three hundred and sixty five babies to be
Speaker 2: born every day of a year in a gravity controlled environment.
Speaker 2: Okay on the equator.
Speaker 3: Wait, they have to be. They have to be.
Speaker 4: We have to eliminate variables, right. We talked about this
Speaker 4: in the argument. You read this, Matt, We've got to
Speaker 4: have Oh, this is the part it gets an ethical Uh.
Speaker 4: We have to have ideally the children born each of
Speaker 4: those days be as genetically similar as possible, which is
Speaker 4: something you can do, but there are laws against them.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, yeah, so please I can't wait for you
Speaker 4: to read this, doctor Astrolojob worked really hard on it
Speaker 4: and would love your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. I don't know this one, man. I'd like
Speaker 5: to read it as well, share share with us too.
Speaker 3: I'd love to take a look.
Speaker 5: Huge thanks to you again, doctor Estralla.
Speaker 3: John.
Speaker 5: We're going to take a quick word from our sponsor
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Speaker 2: And we're back guys, we got this message from Proud
Speaker 2: and this isn't necessarily about anything. It's just something that
Speaker 2: he's proud about. But I think we could be proud
Speaker 2: of too.
Speaker 6: Hell, gentlemen, if you go be proud, you can use
Speaker 6: this message on the air. I am proud Ibby and
Speaker 6: Papa of two people who work for Firefly. I was
Speaker 6: excited to hear on Strea Engineers y'all mentioned Blue Ghost
Speaker 6: and my wife and my oldest child work in Briggs,
Speaker 6: Texas on Firefly machines, rockets and stuff. Why I know
Speaker 6: that they have a.
Speaker 7: Plaque on the Blue Ghost on the Moon at this
Speaker 7: moment with their names, the names of people who have worked.
Speaker 6: On that on that project up there. So a family.
Speaker 6: Definitely fig your friends.
Speaker 8: On it up there in the moon.
Speaker 6: And uh, I think you guys would be interested in
Speaker 6: the bois.
Speaker 3: They named their chambers.
Speaker 6: And uh, rocket motives and all that.
Speaker 7: If you got a good website, that's you're a fan
Speaker 7: of the Firefly TV show, check it out. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I went from my oldest center bad As is way
Speaker 7: smarter than they believe they need to be. And yeah,
Speaker 7: extremely proud. So I let you guys show And that's
Speaker 7: don't be good work.
Speaker 9: Congratulations Proud, mm hmm, yeah, an amazing, amazing thing to
Speaker 9: have two family members involved in a thing that officially
Speaker 9: landed on the Moon on March.
Speaker 3: Second, what's the I want to hear what, proud, Proud.
Speaker 4: I want to hear what You're Thanksgiving dinner conversation is like,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like what what? What?
Speaker 4: What is the what is the rarefied air of conversation
Speaker 4: when you're just grabbing dinner or lunch with your family.
Speaker 2: Lunar capture orbits? Oh yeah, just the basic you know,
Speaker 2: launch injection orbits and Earth amazing orbits. It's pretty but
Speaker 2: it's cool. But anyway, we just think that's freaking fantastic.
Speaker 2: We did not find I cannot find anything about actual
Speaker 2: when I go to the about page of Firefly Aerospace's website,
Speaker 2: Just trying to figure out how they actually name all
Speaker 2: of their stuff and how that really lates back to Firefly.
Speaker 2: I want to know, though, I'm going to look that up,
Speaker 2: so all of us let us go find that out.
Speaker 5: I can't be the only one that's thinking about the
Speaker 5: last of us though, every time you say they work
Speaker 5: for Firefly.
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh for sure, there you go, yes, yes, Serenity
Speaker 2: of the Firefly universe.
Speaker 3: Indeed, yes, great of the Firefly universe.
Speaker 4: This is this is an opportunity for us to our
Speaker 4: earlier questions. If you have any insight, any behind the
Speaker 4: curtain stuff you could share with us, Proud, anything you're
Speaker 4: comfortable sharing, we would love to hear it. Also, blue
Speaker 4: Ghost is just an amazing name. Like they're knocking it
Speaker 4: out of the park with the names.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, this is so cool. I'm just
Speaker 2: looking at their website now getting a little bit lost.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Pretty cool stuff. Jason Kim, chief executive
Speaker 2: officer and Dan Ferman, chief operating officer. Oh now, I'm
Speaker 2: just naming off people who work there, Okay.
Speaker 4: I mean it might take a while, right because there
Speaker 4: are more than seven hundred people where there is a.
Speaker 2: Few, few people, few people people.
Speaker 3: It takes a couple to get to the moon.
Speaker 2: They got a shop ghost Writers in the sky.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, these names keep getting better.
Speaker 2: This is good stuff. Okay, so proud. Thanks for letting
Speaker 2: us know. Anybody else, if you got something awesome going
Speaker 2: on in your life, your family's doing something incredible that
Speaker 2: we're talking about, let us know. We'll just shout you
Speaker 2: out because it's uh, it's exciting to be excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like like Rev who just hit us to the
Speaker 4: newest conspiracy realist around his new child.
Speaker 2: Whoa what the name of this baby? Let's talk about
Speaker 2: it on air.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll respect your privacy, but we're we're so happy
Speaker 4: to hear the good news.
Speaker 5: Can I also really just quickly shout out ghost Writers
Speaker 5: in the Sky is a really dope old school country song.
Speaker 5: That's a really fantastic spooky country cowboy ghost story.
Speaker 3: The Highwaymen have a great cover of it.
Speaker 5: Donny Cash as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, guys, speaking of I turned on the
Speaker 2: radio the other day, just taking a little drive with
Speaker 2: a fan. Uh you know what I heard? Get Down,
Speaker 2: turn Around, go.
Speaker 5: Town, Boots, scoop boogie.
Speaker 2: If that's it? Oh man, no, that's Brooks and Done.
Speaker 5: No bad, my bad. I was thinking Achy break y
Speaker 5: Art Brooks had done. Really love Neon Moon. That's a
Speaker 5: great song. But man, boot, Scoot and boogie.
Speaker 4: Indeed, tell us your favorite country songs from that that?
Speaker 3: What was that was that? Nineties? Ninety nineties?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm okay with nineties pop country like that.
Speaker 4: Boy, I like I like the older country, which is
Speaker 4: such a snooty thing to say, but there's some great
Speaker 4: hits from the nineties. Dude, Garth Brooks could not miss
Speaker 4: banger a minute.
Speaker 5: Even the Chris Gaines stuff was fine.
Speaker 3: The Chris Gaines stuff was fine.
Speaker 4: It was on Saturday Night Live as Garth Brooks the
Speaker 4: host and as Chris Gaines the musical guest. And uh,
Speaker 4: Garth or Chris, if you're hearing this, you nailed it, man,
Speaker 4: well done.
Speaker 2: You guys see this Wallen character? Huh you see this
Speaker 2: crazy Wallen character? You see what happened snl.
Speaker 3: Oh the guy who went back to God's Country?
Speaker 2: Well you know what happens at the end of snl
Speaker 2: right together? Yeah, yeah, Well, this guy Wallin, he just
Speaker 2: walked right off, right right towards the camera. What's he doing?
Speaker 5: Apparently there was some sort of kerfuffle about him using
Speaker 5: some charged language I think on set, and he was
Speaker 5: I don't know, called on Perhaps it's a little bit unclear,
Speaker 5: but then yeah, the whole God's Country thing is what
Speaker 5: even is God's Country?
Speaker 4: I heard he was really upset that he was not
Speaker 4: able to pass the bar to get employed by Firefly.
Speaker 4: And if you listen to the lyrics. That's what a
Speaker 4: lot of his songs are about.
Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew it all right, thanks again, Proud.
Speaker 2: Let's stop all this silliness and jump to a message
Speaker 2: of high import from Flea from the Chili PEPs.
Speaker 3: Flee.
Speaker 2: I have called Flea pleeb before on the show because
Speaker 2: I misunderstood Flee. I have gone to Flee many a time,
Speaker 2: as Flea often calls in with just fascinating stuff, just
Speaker 2: like this message.
Speaker 8: My guts flee from the Northwest against It's curious.
Speaker 10: Okay, So I've seen this thing popping up on my
Speaker 10: Instagram and I'm sure it's a lot.
Speaker 8: Of hibbity who bloss But I think guys seen anything
Speaker 8: about these like newly reported scans about like these big
Speaker 8: huge pillars that are beneath like the Pyramids of Giza,
Speaker 8: and like series.
Speaker 11: Associated with that, because keeps popping up and I'm like,
Speaker 11: I haven't really like dove into it. But what you
Speaker 11: said about the technologies of non human origin and they
Speaker 11: don't want to say extraterrestrial, it makes me think, like, was.
Speaker 10: There's something else on this planet before? And we're trying
Speaker 10: to figure out technology that was used and it's just
Speaker 10: a but I don't know if you guys have looked
Speaker 10: into it or again like it's a whole bunch of
Speaker 10: hippie do blot, but caught my eye. So again, BTh
Speaker 10: you guys do And yesterday.
Speaker 5: Buddy, you better trademark hibbitty Hoopla because that's that's solid.
Speaker 4: That's that's from eight mile Hibbitty hibbitty. I didn't hear
Speaker 4: a word you said, hibbitty Hoopla.
Speaker 3: Just got a goof.
Speaker 5: Late to the game then on that one. But it
Speaker 5: was a new one to me.
Speaker 3: Love it. It's a good one.
Speaker 2: Not U not up on that old hip hop thing
Speaker 2: over here in in matt Country. Sorry about that, guys.
Speaker 2: But this whole thing, this pyramid thing has hit my
Speaker 2: radar so many times. Have you guys seen any video
Speaker 2: or talk of this?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I think you guys should go first. This
Speaker 4: is yeah, not not quite old beans, but it's a
Speaker 4: cyclical return.
Speaker 2: Well, let's do this off air. It'll it'll take us
Speaker 2: about a minute. We're gonna watch a video of the
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan experience where he gets introduced to the concept
Speaker 2: by somebody who goes on his show. This is very recent.
Speaker 2: We'll just watch the video that they watch, because that
Speaker 2: is that is the primary video that I have also
Speaker 2: seen that's being shared around, and it will just give
Speaker 2: us an idea for discussion, at least to give us
Speaker 2: a baseline. Let's do that and then we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: No time will pass for you and we've returned.
Speaker 5: Boy, I hadn't seen it with that, Matt. That's some
Speaker 5: sci fi hit right there, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe let's let's talk about what we just saw.
Speaker 2: This is a clip you can find from the Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan Experience where he is talking with Chris Williamson about
Speaker 2: a video they're watching by Jay Anderson, which is based
Speaker 2: on information that Jay is analyzing. And in it you
Speaker 2: will see specifically an image that is being shared all
Speaker 2: over the Internet and talked about where it is. It's
Speaker 2: a picture of the Pyramids of Giza, and then below
Speaker 2: them these gi columns that.
Speaker 3: Are eight right, eight.
Speaker 2: Specific, Yeah, eight specific columns that go deep, deep, deep
Speaker 2: into the earth benea simply tubes.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, that's isn't that the idea? They seem
Speaker 5: connected to some sort of reservoir, some sort of like
Speaker 5: giant superstructure, even deeper.
Speaker 2: Down exactly that's what it looks like. Right. There is
Speaker 2: not a lot of specific information ever given, including in
Speaker 2: the video from Jay, and including in the discussion between
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan and Chris Williamson. There's not a ton of
Speaker 2: specific information about what it was and how they got
Speaker 2: those images, like what generated the concept that's giving them
Speaker 2: that imagery, specifically in the infographics, because down below it
Speaker 2: you have these larger structures you're talking about NOL that
Speaker 2: are cube like and you've got spirals essentially that appear
Speaker 2: to go down the huge columns that Again, if you
Speaker 2: actually go to the literature and the stuff that they're
Speaker 2: citing to talk about this, it doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 2: all there.
Speaker 3: Yeah and flee.
Speaker 4: This is We're so glad you reached out, because this
Speaker 4: is something that has circumnavigated the globe, right empowered by
Speaker 4: social media. And Matt, I love that you're pointed out
Speaker 4: how the how we hit this game at telephone, these
Speaker 4: Matroshka dolls of information passed and quoted and passed. I
Speaker 4: guess we should say the specific thing that they're referencing
Speaker 4: is this paper about something called synthetic aperture radar or SAR,
Speaker 4: and that is a real thing. SAR is a real thing, correct,
Speaker 4: like that technology exists?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, there there's a book. There is a
Speaker 2: paper that was published in twenty twenty two. There's two people,
Speaker 2: I think it's Corrado Malanga and Filipo Biondi that published
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty two series of papers and books. This
Speaker 2: is about synthetic aperture radar, and NASA even comes forward
Speaker 2: and says, hey, yes, SAAR is real. This is a
Speaker 2: thing that can be used in an instrument, sends out energy,
Speaker 2: pulses of energy, then it comes back and it gives
Speaker 2: you reflected energy. Theoretically, it's kind of like the light
Speaker 2: our technology.
Speaker 4: We've discussed exactly exactly. We also know that I'm just
Speaker 4: establishing things we know to be true.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Ifully, we know that scientists are continually discovering new things
Speaker 4: around ancient Egyptian sites, including the Geze Of Pyramids.
Speaker 3: It was just May of last year.
Speaker 4: I believe that scientists were investigating a puzzling underground anomaly
Speaker 4: near the gez Of Pyramids. But that's not the same
Speaker 4: thing as finding these eight ginormous, inexplicable pillars. What they're
Speaker 4: finding instead seems to be surface level like things connect
Speaker 4: underground chambers, connecting surface level toombs, and that's not uncommon
Speaker 4: for those things to be discovered. So I think it's
Speaker 4: key for us to knowledge Yes, sor is real, and yes, secondly,
Speaker 4: people are still finding things at these ancient sites.
Speaker 3: Those two things are.
Speaker 5: True absolutely, and if we if you might indulge me
Speaker 5: in a thought experiment real quick, my mind immediately goes
Speaker 5: to the idea of oregone energy, the idea of pyramids
Speaker 5: being these beacons of you know, whatever cosmic power you know,
Speaker 5: And what if this device underneath it were some way
Speaker 5: of harnessing and storing that kind of thing, if this
Speaker 5: were to be true, which probably isn't, But it's fun
Speaker 5: to think about because I immediately look at this and
Speaker 5: see these spirals and these coils connecting to this, this
Speaker 5: underground superstructure, and I immediately think it's some sort of
Speaker 5: battery or it's some sort of like way of harnessing
Speaker 5: energy the pyramids are collecting.
Speaker 4: Sure looks like it, right, It looks similar to a
Speaker 4: diagram you might see of a power generation or plant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sir, well, yeah, even just coils as you're saying,
Speaker 2: that are pulling in some form of unknown energy or
Speaker 2: even that deep geotherbal energy or something.
Speaker 5: Which is real, which could you know, there are certainly
Speaker 5: whole HVAC systems for homes that that actually pull energy
Speaker 5: out of the ground. I forget to call it, yes,
Speaker 5: exactly right, but there it's a it's a certain type
Speaker 5: of technology that you can use in your home to
Speaker 5: siphon you know, heat energy from the earth.
Speaker 2: But six hundred and forty meters deep is oh, it's
Speaker 2: a stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also yeah, six hundred and forty eight meters deep
Speaker 4: is really deep. And also, uh, this is something that
Speaker 4: will hopefully prevent some angry emails from the PhDs in
Speaker 4: the crowd just because the yeah, well no, no, not us.
Speaker 4: We got to just because uh, a paper has been
Speaker 4: published does not mean the thing the paper is about
Speaker 4: is conclusively proven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, come at me, other scientists, you know, Well.
Speaker 4: That's how I mean, that's not too right, right, But
Speaker 4: the like that's pure review. So there are innumerable scientific
Speaker 4: journals or purported journals, and there are tons of papers
Speaker 4: that come out. We have to be very careful because
Speaker 4: sometimes if someone is trying to prove something, they may
Speaker 4: just sort of play the game of rhetorical tagging base
Speaker 4: and say, well, there was a paper about it. The
Speaker 4: thing is, there are papers about a lot of stuff,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in this particular paper has not been peer
Speaker 2: reviewed as of March twenty fifth, when this Snopes article
Speaker 2: I'm looking at was written, and also within the paper
Speaker 2: it does, let's say, it alludes to some ancient alien
Speaker 2: theories in the same way that Missing four one one
Speaker 2: alludes to a large, hairy, potentially multi dimensional creature that
Speaker 2: abducts people.
Speaker 4: Yeah well, it's also, yeah, that's not a bad comparison.
Speaker 4: They're met because we know, we know the full paper
Speaker 4: that has been discussed in these press conferences doesn't seem
Speaker 4: to have been not only pure review, but even released
Speaker 4: in full. And the point about the authors is that
Speaker 4: the authors of this paper do have previous work in
Speaker 4: what we would loosely call ancient alien theories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know. And it doesn't help that you
Speaker 2: can see the infographic that Joe Rogan was looking at
Speaker 2: on that episode that we just checked out, That image
Speaker 2: is very different from a lot of the other ones
Speaker 2: that are being shared on social media that are also
Speaker 2: purporting to be true, and they are conclusively generated with
Speaker 2: one of these AI generation models, and that's according to
Speaker 2: snops in ninety nine point five percent positivity, that at
Speaker 2: least one of the most popular ones that you'll find
Speaker 2: that has it looks like a space age pyramid structure
Speaker 2: that appears to be a UAP of some sort with this,
Speaker 2: you know, these giant columns with all kinds of cool
Speaker 2: light effects going on, and you know, it's pretty obviously
Speaker 2: a generated image, but it's being sent around and looked
Speaker 2: at by people that may not be aware that that's
Speaker 2: what they're.
Speaker 4: Looking at, or they might think it's an artistic rendery,
Speaker 4: which does happen and does happen in legit scientific investigations.
Speaker 4: The name I was thinking about we mentioned earlier, or
Speaker 4: the mention of the author earlier. It's Corrado Malanga specifically,
Speaker 4: who has written a bunch of books about ancient alien
Speaker 4: human interaction. And you know, not to profile too hard,
Speaker 4: but we do have to consider previous publications when we
Speaker 4: look at this stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you also have to just keep in
Speaker 2: mind that if you're going in to any investigation like
Speaker 2: that with a predetermined conclusion and you're you know, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what science does right, you have a hypothesis,
Speaker 2: then you're looking to prove that wrong or right, but
Speaker 2: mostly wrong, because if you can't prove it wrong, then
Speaker 2: it's probably right. But if you're going in with such
Speaker 2: a strong bias, and you are using something that does exist,
Speaker 2: like synthetic aperture radar, and you see some stuff that
Speaker 2: maybe is anomalist to what you imagine to find, you
Speaker 2: are then putting this bias on whatever that is rather
Speaker 2: than further exploring the potentials of what it could be.
Speaker 3: What's that old joke? Who is this rorshat guy?
Speaker 4: And why does he keep drawing pictures of my granddad's penis?
Speaker 2: To get a lot of those pictures on my wall?
Speaker 5: I got a lot of them on my phone. Is
Speaker 5: that weird?
Speaker 4: I'm stop texting so anyway, But that's I mean, crass
Speaker 4: jokes aside. We hope that when gave you a chuckle fleet,
Speaker 4: I think that's an incredibly important point about how predetermined
Speaker 4: you know, desires or predetermined patterns the human mind seeks
Speaker 4: to recognize will have a heavy influence on the interpretation
Speaker 4: of new information, especially since you know, just as we
Speaker 4: outline there are bits of truth like people are still
Speaker 4: finding weird stuff around these ancient sites. There are a
Speaker 4: lot of un answered questions about ancient history, and the
Speaker 4: technology described is a real thing.
Speaker 2: Yep, go down the real existing rabbit hole right now
Speaker 2: over at Smithsonian Magazine search for Scientists are investigating a
Speaker 2: puzzling underground anomaly near the Giza Pyramids. Using remote sensing technologies.
Speaker 2: Researchers have discovered two connected structures in a previously unexplored area.
Speaker 2: That is like the real stuff right now that you
Speaker 2: can check out that is being discovered in around the
Speaker 2: Pyramids of Giza in Egypt. Then you can find this
Speaker 2: other stuff if you want to. I guess, search pillars
Speaker 2: and pyramids and you'll find all of this stuff, including
Speaker 2: Reddit threads out the wazoo.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And pay attention to which subreddits you're
Speaker 4: checking out, because some of them will have vastly different
Speaker 4: responses to the same to the same piece of news.
Speaker 4: I love this stuff, man, and I when this started
Speaker 4: making the round, like so many other people, I saw
Speaker 4: an interesting infographic and what do you do?
Speaker 3: You click on it? Right.
Speaker 4: We're inquisitive, we want to learn more. And I did
Speaker 4: some of the same diving that we're doing today and
Speaker 4: my face went from like really excited, leaning in to
Speaker 4: going and by the end I have full de neuro face.
Speaker 2: You know, is the pillows looking at me?
Speaker 3: Do you think you got a pillow over you? Man?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: All right, hey, so fleet, Thank you so much, proud,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. We'll be right back with more
Speaker 2: messages from y'all.
Speaker 3: And we have returned.
Speaker 4: We're going to hear from a I believe a possible
Speaker 4: returning conspiracy realist. Just love your name, Angry biz Kits,
Speaker 4: so angry biz kielts putting a little spin on the accent.
Speaker 4: Here here's what we heard. This is in response to
Speaker 4: our tariffs episode, Ben Matt Nole. Great episode as usual,
Speaker 4: very informative. I thought you might be interested in an
Speaker 4: aspect of the topic. You didn't cover the chicken tax.
Speaker 4: Now have we ever heard of the chicken tax?
Speaker 2: We talked about a chicken tax with regards to the
Speaker 2: eggs at waffle house.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, so we were getting there.
Speaker 3: Here's this is interesting. This is a bit of ridiculous
Speaker 3: history too, and it's instructive for us.
Speaker 4: This was kind of new to us. Angry biz Kits continues.
Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered why we can't get those cute
Speaker 4: Japanese light trucks over here. Yes, have you had wait wait,
Speaker 4: wait wait, the cute Japanese light trucks.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: They're like cool pickup truck. I'll send you a picture.
Speaker 4: They're these cool series or genre of work trucks that
Speaker 4: have a smaller footprint, you know how, like you can't
Speaker 4: buy decently, like you can't buy a regular old school
Speaker 4: pickup truck in the US now.
Speaker 2: Like the Kait truck or k truck, k Ei truck.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, like those kind of things.
Speaker 2: It's a teeny little guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little boy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Angry Biscuits continues. Have you ever wondered why the
Speaker 4: Subaru Brat had two seats facing backwards in the bed?
Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered why Chuck Taylors or Sketchers have
Speaker 4: fuzzy souls? It's the chicken tax. We'll talk about this
Speaker 4: a little bit after, but I just love the way right,
Speaker 4: Angry Biscuits you continue.
Speaker 3: Post dub dub dose. Huh.
Speaker 4: Nice chicken farming domestically was all the rage. We were
Speaker 4: exporting chicken to Europe like crazy over there. Chicken was
Speaker 4: considered a luxury meat. The Europeans, especially the French, didn't
Speaker 4: like this and put tariffs on the chicken we were exporting.
Speaker 4: So in response, Lyndon Johnson put a twenty five percent
Speaker 4: tariff on light trucks and other goods. That tariff on
Speaker 4: light trucks still exist, and auto manufacturers did odd things
Speaker 4: to get around it, like installing the backward seats in
Speaker 4: the Subaru Brat to make it a passenger car, or
Speaker 4: sending over cargo vans with side panels lightly welded in
Speaker 4: over to a finishing factory, which would then install the
Speaker 4: seats and the glass and get you a passenger van.
Speaker 4: Those shoes, the fuzzy bottom on the converse gets them
Speaker 4: classified as house shoes or slippers, which is a lower
Speaker 4: tax tiff rate than regular shoes. Crazy, isn't it. Thanks
Speaker 4: for the show, and thanks for all the thought material.
Speaker 4: I'm angry Biscuits and I approve this message. Feel free
Speaker 4: to use in any way you'd like, including reading it
Speaker 4: in a listener mail segment. So I love this chicken text.
Speaker 4: Kind of a misleading name, yeah, but it hits on
Speaker 4: a real period of ridiculous history, and it also tells
Speaker 4: us something that I think we could return to in
Speaker 4: the future, which is tariff loopholes. There's so many ways
Speaker 4: to get around this, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gotta say though, and I'm sorry for this.
Speaker 2: I'm still stuck on the Subaru brat.
Speaker 3: You want a brat?
Speaker 2: This thing is awesome, I know, right, it's uh and
Speaker 2: it's an acronym, Yes, it's an acronym.
Speaker 4: Uh what what what was the acronym by drive Recreational
Speaker 4: all terrain Transporter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really does have two seats in the
Speaker 2: back of a truck. But it also looks like a car.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like a you know how an
Speaker 4: El Camino is like a truck and a card. Yes,
Speaker 4: this one looks like one of its parents was an
Speaker 4: El Camino and we don't know you know which one.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure. And then they strapped two
Speaker 2: seats back there because awesome.
Speaker 4: Because yeah, this is what is called a great import vehicle.
Speaker 4: You can you can get them through sort of third
Speaker 4: party sometimes they're parallel imports. But the entirety Angry Biscuits,
Speaker 4: you were absolutely correct. The entire reason that they were
Speaker 4: that they have these two super adventurous seats in the
Speaker 4: back is to get around tariffs. And that story about
Speaker 4: converse is true as well. These are money saving hacks
Speaker 4: and they they happen more frequently than a lot of
Speaker 4: people would assume. The loopholes rise in step with the tariffs.
Speaker 2: Can I also one last thing? I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 2: keep going on those products like this, What are the
Speaker 2: fuzzy souls on Chuck Taylor's in thet Like, what are
Speaker 2: we talking about? Maybe we don't understand this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So if you ever put on a fresh
Speaker 4: pair of Chucks, who doesn't love a good point?
Speaker 2: I have it? But okay you haven't. No, I don't
Speaker 2: know what this is.
Speaker 5: They're kind of like not the most comfortable of shoe.
Speaker 5: It's like the canvas bag of shoes.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, they're not. I mean, they're not going
Speaker 3: to be your every day forever shoes.
Speaker 5: You know what for some people wear.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be his every day forever.
Speaker 5: No, not not for you, Maddy. I don't think you're
Speaker 5: a Chuck's kind of guy.
Speaker 2: But what's the fuzzy bottoms thing?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Okay, they have felt souls.
Speaker 4: This is a layer of fabric that usually goes away
Speaker 4: pretty quickly, but if you buy a fresh Berry Converse,
Speaker 4: you'll see that they have this very thin layer of
Speaker 4: fabric on the bottom and converse will or In the past,
Speaker 4: they used to officially say this helps with things like
Speaker 4: quieter usage and shape retention. But the real reason is
Speaker 4: that loophole the angry Biscuits describes because now you don't
Speaker 4: have the same okay, converse is part of Nike. Nike
Speaker 4: imports its products into the US from China, and so
Speaker 4: back in twenty eighteen, the previous Trump administration put a
Speaker 4: bunch of tariffs on a wide range of US imports
Speaker 4: from China. Some items had a heftier tear griffs than others.
Speaker 4: So sneakers, for instance, have thirty seven point five percent tariff,
Speaker 4: or they did, and historically they've had a lot of
Speaker 4: high tariffs depending on how trade relations go. But slippers
Speaker 4: are not sneakers. They only have a three percent tariff,
Speaker 4: and the legal requirement for shoe to be considered a
Speaker 4: slipper is to have a fuzzy wuzzy soul.
Speaker 5: Interesting, So yeah, I mean, I guess I'm picturing a
Speaker 5: Chuck Taylor, which I used to wear often, and the
Speaker 5: bottoms they do kind of get worn pretty quickly. I
Speaker 5: guess I never really thought of them as being fuzzy though.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a very it's a very thin thing.
Speaker 4: And this, this chicken tax is something again that we
Speaker 4: we should all be more aware of because it is
Speaker 4: it's a precedent up there with the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act.
Speaker 3: It occurs. Oh yeah, yeah, it occurred in sixty four
Speaker 3: or under LBJ and Jumbo or whatever he called whatever
Speaker 3: he called it.
Speaker 5: And we consulted on a regular basis.
Speaker 4: We consult I love there who we consulted on a
Speaker 4: regular basis. Hold by calls, I'm consulting.
Speaker 2: So guys, I just want I want a Honda. I
Speaker 2: think it's a T three sixty. I want that now.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Jeff, it's got cute little eyes on it
Speaker 2: and it's a baby truck.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Ben, Sorry to Dero for a second, but
Speaker 5: you mentioned this, and I didn't really realize it until
Speaker 5: I saw some YouTube videos recently. The electric cars that
Speaker 5: are available in Asia but not here are insane. Like
Speaker 5: the level of tech that they have over there puts
Speaker 5: folks like Tesla to absolute shame. And it's no wonder
Speaker 5: that American. You know, evs aren't doing much over there
Speaker 5: because the competition is outrageous. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 5: a couple of brands that you may know off the
Speaker 5: top of your head, Downd, But I saw one that
Speaker 5: like you can like make it bounce and jiggle and
Speaker 5: like move around and stuff like it's crazy what you
Speaker 5: can do with these things.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot even outside of EV
Speaker 4: like the Avida Avatar without an e Avatar two, it's sick.
Speaker 4: The SUV game is just over, and we're not you know,
Speaker 4: we're not trying to sound as though we are anti
Speaker 4: American or something, but we are, I think, unanimously agreed
Speaker 4: that were these vehicles allowed into the US at a
Speaker 4: higher rate, or at any rate, people would love them.
Speaker 3: People would dig all the features on these things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and I love my Honda CRV Hybrid,
Speaker 5: which I'm glad. It seems like I got just in
Speaker 5: the nick of time, by the way, y'all. Who yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean truly like within weeks, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: could have been a whole other story as far as
Speaker 5: like that being a car that I could afford.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and these tariffs that launched a thousand ships of
Speaker 4: weird consumer activity. These tariffs from the chicken tax eventually
Speaker 4: end up getting lifted. But since nineteen sixty four there's
Speaker 4: been this precedent of protectionism, and it is despite being
Speaker 4: called the chicken tax, it is specifically often aimed to
Speaker 4: give US domestic auto manufacturers and advantage over imports.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And you know, some of that's just the dirty business
Speaker 4: of lobbying, to be quite honest. Some of it is,
Speaker 4: you know, national security concerns about the economics of the nation, right,
Speaker 4: employment numbers and so on. But this leads us to
Speaker 4: a concept that angry biscuits you were probably familiar with.
Speaker 4: But we have to introduce everybody to this term tariff engineering.
Speaker 4: That's what it's called. It's not called cheating, it's not
Speaker 4: called fixing the game. It's called engineering. Tariff engineering. That's
Speaker 4: where you make a product on purpose to exploit in
Speaker 4: some way a loophole in the tariff system that you're
Speaker 4: trying to hack. That's why you get the felt That's
Speaker 4: why you get you know, the that's why you get
Speaker 4: the adventurous back seats on the super u brat.
Speaker 5: That makes sense, super brat, Yes, yeah, sorry, guy, I
Speaker 5: stepped out for a minute. Full disclosure, I don't think
Speaker 5: I caught the super U Brat conversation. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: Is that is it like reference to Brat Summer to
Speaker 5: Charlie XCX or is this predating Charlie's Bratt.
Speaker 3: It's the original Brat Summer. It's the by drive recreational
Speaker 3: all terrain transporter super.
Speaker 5: That's what Bratt stood for all along.
Speaker 2: Jason, you're not ready for how awesome this thing is.
Speaker 5: I mean, how brat it is.
Speaker 2: You're so glad to see it, have you?
Speaker 3: Like? Yeah, do do check it out.
Speaker 4: There's a imagine if an El Camino was a little
Speaker 4: more awkward cool picturing its.
Speaker 2: Seats in the truck part of the Camino.
Speaker 3: Facing out, facing backwards.
Speaker 5: Well, that sounds fine. It's like it's like a ride,
Speaker 5: you know it.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's an amusement.
Speaker 4: So we want to hear your favorite examples of these
Speaker 4: tariff loopholes or tariff engineering. I think it happens in
Speaker 4: food a lot as well, Like what could be considered
Speaker 4: which type of candy?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: What could be considered you know, a truck or a car,
Speaker 4: or a toy or an action figure. I feel like
Speaker 4: anywhere you find a demand for a product. Depending on
Speaker 4: how the nation's leaders go, you'll find clever, weird loopholes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm looking at a great MPR article titled
Speaker 2: look at some of the creative ways companies try to
Speaker 2: dodge high tariffs, and that was published in early March
Speaker 2: of last year, and it just goes through all this
Speaker 2: stuff where it gives you examples of people just reclassifying
Speaker 2: stuff like, you know what, it's not that anymore, it's this,
Speaker 2: and so it's not terrifable.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, what a terrific idea. And this is an
Speaker 4: article you linked us to angry Biscuits. There's a please
Speaker 4: do check out the article. It has a great statement
Speaker 4: from Douglas Irwin, who is an economics professor at Dartmouth,
Speaker 4: who says the following. It's sort of like whack a mole.
Speaker 4: If you hit China with a tariff, you start importing
Speaker 4: for Vietnam. Pretty soon Vietnam will get hit with a tariff,
Speaker 4: and then you import from Cambodia or something like that.
Speaker 4: So there's a limit to how much you can reshuffle
Speaker 4: where you're importing from. And then oh that's the This
Speaker 4: is the one that mentions the action figures.
Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what I wanted to go to next. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: why don't you tell us about that. There's a line
Speaker 2: in there about how Marvel got around some stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's back in two thousand and three. Marvel,
Speaker 4: of course is making a ton of merchandise as always.
Speaker 4: They've got some pretty sick action figures for comic fans. However,
Speaker 4: they had to go to court and say, look, we
Speaker 4: know there are tariffs on dolls, but X Men action
Speaker 4: figures are non human toys because the X Men are mutants.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're non human toys. They're not dolls. They
Speaker 2: have their tax rate by calling them non human toys
Speaker 2: rather than.
Speaker 4: Dolls, and nothing changed about the This is interesting because
Speaker 4: nothing changed about the actual thing they were making, it's
Speaker 4: just the way that they described it. And then that
Speaker 4: also gets us to the Planet Money report, where you
Speaker 4: will pay more for a Santa suit depending on whether
Speaker 4: it has zippers or velcro yep, which I feel like
Speaker 4: in retrospect, I feel like that explains a lot of
Speaker 4: the the not great quality costumes we've bought for video sketches.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the knockoff ones that you can find
Speaker 2: that are half price. It's the same thing, but it's
Speaker 2: half price. Oh wait, it's just Velcrode in the back instead, right,
Speaker 2: or or.
Speaker 4: This isn't a Santa suit, it's an Antas suit and
Speaker 4: it just happens to be white and red.
Speaker 2: So, dude, there's a there's a whole thing in here,
Speaker 2: you know, Snuggies. Do you remember how how huge that was
Speaker 2: back in the day, not that long ago, Snuggies. This
Speaker 2: idea that's kind of a wearable blanket situation. Well, depending
Speaker 2: on if it's a blanket or an article of clothing
Speaker 2: changes things. So which one is it? Is it a
Speaker 2: blanket you can wear or an oversized hoodie?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, it depends on the tax rate, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing. Tariff engineering is legal.
Speaker 4: It is totally fine to go to court and say,
Speaker 4: you know, your honor, this is very anti mutant legislation.
Speaker 3: That's so hmm I wonder.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So two thousand and three, So stan Lee is alive? Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so is he?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, a picture of the stan Lee voice
Speaker 4: where he's yelled at the judge.
Speaker 3: He's leaving the courtroom, just going excelsia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you you zoom out and you're actually
Speaker 2: inside an episode of The X Men. And then you
Speaker 2: zoom out further and Iron Man's there, and you're like,
Speaker 2: what's happening?
Speaker 4: And then you zoom out even further. Kevin Fage is
Speaker 4: just somewhere in space with his fingers steepled. Yeah, we're
Speaker 4: going a little off the rails here, folks, but we
Speaker 4: sure appreciate your time, and please, please, please do tell
Speaker 4: us your favorite hilarious examples of tariff loopholes. Thanks to
Speaker 4: Angry Biscuits for hipping us to the chicken tax.
Speaker 3: Thanks to Proud We're proud of you man.
Speaker 4: We can't wait to hear that insider info on Firefly,
Speaker 4: just the legal insider info, just that part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just that part, but then also the naming conventions.
Speaker 3: Yes, very much, so very much.
Speaker 2: So we're talking characters, episodes like different planets where we're talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, lay it out for us, tell us
Speaker 4: what the future, you know what, we have some name ideas.
Speaker 4: We're all right, dudes, we could help and we work
Speaker 4: for peanuts. Also, thank you to Flee and thank you
Speaker 4: for you know, prompting that exploration on ancient aliens and
Speaker 4: the importance of critical thought. Thanks to doctor Estralla, John,
Speaker 4: you have some stuff coming bat you and I mentioned
Speaker 4: this pretty often in the past, so I love the
Speaker 4: electromagnetic idea. We can't wait to see what you think
Speaker 4: about our gravitational theory. Just quickly, doctor, remember put your
Speaker 4: ethics to a side when you read it.
Speaker 3: It is a thought experiment.
Speaker 2: Yes, and to be clear, this is Ben's idea and
Speaker 2: he has written a research paper on.
Speaker 3: It and it was a group effort. So we can't
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