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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our superproducer Andrew the try

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Speaker 4: Force Howard. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Fellow conspiracy realist friends and neighbors across the US and

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Speaker 4: across the world. Let us be the first to welcome

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Speaker 4: you to Thursday, April seventeenth with a very special happy

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Speaker 4: birthday to one of our favorite COVID babies, our super

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Speaker 4: producer Andrew's kat Astrid, who is approximately five years old.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so exciting. We have one more shout

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Speaker 2: out to do because as of today, when we were

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Speaker 2: recording this on April seventh, Monday yesterday, you guys, stuff

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Speaker 2: you should Sandwich consummate caller to the United States of

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Speaker 2: stuff they don't want you to know. Uh, he got hitched.

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Speaker 3: He is a freshly married Congratulations. We're sorry we couldn't

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Speaker 3: make it on the sub bro.

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Speaker 2: I know we wanted to be there.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to be there, so we'll try to.

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Speaker 4: We consider us randomly ap period on a submersible to

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Speaker 4: right forget paper.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have word from the Earl of Sandwich that

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Speaker 2: we should make our way back to Philadelphia sometime soon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, together, I was just there.

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Speaker 5: I wish I would have known.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 4: We love, we love traveling to meet everyone. Thank you

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Speaker 4: also to everybody who has written into us from the

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Speaker 4: land down Under inviting us to make some appearances in Australia.

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Speaker 4: The best we can say for now is we're just

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Speaker 4: gonna keep pitching to accounting.

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Speaker 5: And let us also double down to hear back from

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Speaker 5: some of those folks from Australia to let us know

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Speaker 5: what are some great classic films of Australia cinema that

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Speaker 5: we should check.

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Speaker 2: Out, and also give us a heads up when your

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Speaker 2: country of origin stops letting American passport holders into your country.

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Speaker 4: Right, and tell us which passports we should use hypothetically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've got stacks.

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Speaker 5: Got drawers of them along with our loose diamonds floorboards.

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Speaker 4: No comment on that one. But I forgot one fact

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Speaker 4: we did not include in our episode on the disappear

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Speaker 4: of Harold Holts. You guys, and I want to thank

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Speaker 4: our Australian conspiracy realist Teres who hips me to this. Originally,

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Speaker 4: there is a there's a lot of stuff named after

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Speaker 4: the Harold Holt Memorial Swimming Center.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's nice.

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Speaker 5: Feels a little dark, yeah, I bet, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: He was a strong swimmer. Yeah, that's right. He was

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Speaker 3: He was a strong swimmer, a lifelong swimmer.

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Speaker 5: And use the buddy system.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, just see and listen for the whistle, as

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Speaker 4: they say in Summer Camp. We are so happy to

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Speaker 4: explore some of our correspondence that we receive around the

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Speaker 4: to hear from Angry Biscuit, We're going to talk with

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Speaker 4: Proud with Flea. Before we do any of that, however,

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Speaker 4: we're going to dive into something that's been sort of

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Speaker 4: astrology and the government. Could there be a scientific basis

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Speaker 4: for astrology. This is a series of continuing conversations, and boy,

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Speaker 4: we got a lot of responses, didn't we know?

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Speaker 5: We did, And we're going to talk about one in

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Speaker 5: particular from our buddy Astrolo John. After a word from

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Speaker 5: our sponsor, and we're back with today's first piece of

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Speaker 5: listener correspondence from Astrolo John. Astrolo John begins, Hey guys,

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Speaker 5: longtime listener, first time writer. I recently listened to your

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Speaker 5: Boy are they, Astrolojohn. After dismissing the subject out of

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Speaker 5: How do species create individuals? With distinct and varied personalities.

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Speaker 5: it seems like they would be less able to adapt

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Speaker 5: risk averse homebodies would be great at building small communities

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Speaker 5: restless wanderers would be the opposite. But how could evolution

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Speaker 5: on genetic lineage. Well, one way to do it would

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Speaker 5: be through linking individual brain development to the bands of

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Speaker 5: subtly pushed and pulled in predictable but complex ways. Recent

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Speaker 5: experiments like the one shown in this veritassium video, oh

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Speaker 5: Man veritassium. I actually met the guy that does those

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Speaker 5: on his YouTube veritassium like the one that Astroojohn mentions

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Speaker 5: in the Earth's field, creating a link between our brains,

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Speaker 5: the Earth, and the rest of our solar system. Tapping

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Speaker 5: into this phenomena would allow for an essentially infinite variety

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Speaker 5: this tree branch led me to a few additional ideas.

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Speaker 5: The first was that the zodiac constellations merely serve as

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Speaker 5: as any woo woo magical force needed to link extremely

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Speaker 5: The second was that this astrological effect wouldn't really be

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Speaker 5: are some tantalizing clues that there might be some real

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Speaker 5: real study. Love to hear y'all's thoughts on all this.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for all the years of quality information and entertainment. PS.

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Speaker 5: If this ends up being read, you can refer to

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Speaker 5: me as John, or as my wife calls me when

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Speaker 5: I'm hyperfixating on this stuff Astrolojohn. That's so cool. I

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Speaker 5: don't even know where to start. It's like you gave

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Speaker 5: things that are often observed as being like the truths

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Speaker 5: your point, ben Horoscope kind of writing of it all.

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Speaker 5: I think we're already kind of considering what do you

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Speaker 2: Estrala John Nay I say to you, and I'm just

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Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more. I just think it's

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Speaker 5: an interesting hypothesis, yes, or another factor, you know, another

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Speaker 2: And I don't that doesn't mean I'm trying to throw

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Speaker 4: And if I could weigh a doctor Astrolojohn by the way. Congratulations, right,

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Speaker 4: doctor Astrologoon, this is a real scratch behind the ears

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Speaker 4: or the tentacles for me. We had discussed, you know,

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Speaker 4: same mind with you. I've discussed it with Nola and

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Speaker 4: My thought was going toward gravity and fetal development. I

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Speaker 4: overdue to send you, so check out that email. I

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Speaker 4: just believe that is such a great a great place

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Speaker 4: to start the concept of first off, differentiation of personality.

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Speaker 4: And Matt, you make a great point regarding the myriad

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Speaker 4: of variables. I've figured to pyramids too because of something

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Speaker 4: to My favorite idea, could you create horoscopes for artificial intelligence?

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Speaker 5: We all, well, it all goes back to nature nurture, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, And to me, a lot of the things

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really have anything else to add you' all.

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Speaker 2: We need three hundred and sixty five babies to be

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Speaker 4: to read this, doctor Astrolojob worked really hard on it

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Speaker 5: Huge thanks to you again, doctor Estralla.

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Speaker 2: And we're back guys, we got this message from Proud

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Speaker 6: Hell, gentlemen, if you go be proud, you can use

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Speaker 3: They named their chambers.

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Speaker 7: If you got a good website, that's you're a fan

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Speaker 9: Congratulations Proud, mm hmm, yeah, an amazing, amazing thing to

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Speaker 3: Second, what's the I want to hear what, proud, Proud.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear what You're Thanksgiving dinner conversation is like,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like what what? What?

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Speaker 4: What is the what is the rarefied air of conversation

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Speaker 2: Lunar capture orbits? Oh yeah, just the basic you know,

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Speaker 5: I can't be the only one that's thinking about the

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Speaker 2: Sorry, oh for sure, there you go, yes, yes, Serenity

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Speaker 4: Ghost is just an amazing name. Like they're knocking it

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, this is so cool. I'm just

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Pretty cool stuff. Jason Kim, chief executive

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Speaker 4: I mean it might take a while, right because there

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Speaker 2: This is good stuff. Okay, so proud. Thanks for letting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like like Rev who just hit us to the

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Speaker 5: Town, Boots, scoop boogie.

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Speaker 2: If that's it? Oh man, no, that's Brooks and Done.

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Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew it all right, thanks again, Proud.

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Speaker 2: Let's stop all this silliness and jump to a message

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Speaker 2: I have called Flea pleeb before on the show because

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Speaker 10: Okay, So I've seen this thing popping up on my

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Speaker 5: Buddy, you better trademark hibbitty Hoopla because that's that's solid.

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Speaker 4: That's that's from eight mile Hibbitty hibbitty. I didn't hear

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Speaker 4: is yeah, not not quite old beans, but it's a

438
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Speaker 4: cyclical return.

439
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Speaker 2: Well, let's do this off air. It'll it'll take us

440
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: about a minute. We're gonna watch a video of the

441
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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan experience where he gets introduced to the concept

442
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: by somebody who goes on his show. This is very recent.

443
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: We'll just watch the video that they watch, because that

444
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: is that is the primary video that I have also

445
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: seen that's being shared around, and it will just give

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: us an idea for discussion, at least to give us

447
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: a baseline. Let's do that and then we'll be right back.

448
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: No time will pass for you and we've returned.

449
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Speaker 5: Boy, I hadn't seen it with that, Matt. That's some

450
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 5: sci fi hit right there, buddy.

451
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe let's let's talk about what we just saw.

452
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: This is a clip you can find from the Joe

453
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: Rogan Experience where he is talking with Chris Williamson about

454
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: a video they're watching by Jay Anderson, which is based

455
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Speaker 2: on information that Jay is analyzing. And in it you

456
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: will see specifically an image that is being shared all

457
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: over the Internet and talked about where it is. It's

458
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: a picture of the Pyramids of Giza, and then below

459
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: them these gi columns that.

460
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: Are eight right, eight.

461
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: Specific, Yeah, eight specific columns that go deep, deep, deep

462
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: into the earth benea simply tubes.

463
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Speaker 5: Right, I mean, that's isn't that the idea? They seem

464
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 5: connected to some sort of reservoir, some sort of like

465
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 5: giant superstructure, even deeper.

466
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: Down exactly that's what it looks like. Right. There is

467
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: not a lot of specific information ever given, including in

468
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: the video from Jay, and including in the discussion between

469
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan and Chris Williamson. There's not a ton of

470
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Speaker 2: specific information about what it was and how they got

471
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: those images, like what generated the concept that's giving them

472
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: that imagery, specifically in the infographics, because down below it

473
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: you have these larger structures you're talking about NOL that

474
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Speaker 2: are cube like and you've got spirals essentially that appear

475
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: to go down the huge columns that Again, if you

476
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: actually go to the literature and the stuff that they're

477
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Speaker 2: citing to talk about this, it doesn't seem like it's

478
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Speaker 2: all there.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah and flee.

480
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 4: This is We're so glad you reached out, because this

481
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: is something that has circumnavigated the globe, right empowered by

482
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: social media. And Matt, I love that you're pointed out

483
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: how the how we hit this game at telephone, these

484
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: Matroshka dolls of information passed and quoted and passed. I

485
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: guess we should say the specific thing that they're referencing

486
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: is this paper about something called synthetic aperture radar or SAR,

487
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: and that is a real thing. SAR is a real thing, correct,

488
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: like that technology exists?

489
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, there there's a book. There is a

490
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: paper that was published in twenty twenty two. There's two people,

491
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Speaker 2: I think it's Corrado Malanga and Filipo Biondi that published

492
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Speaker 2: this twenty twenty two series of papers and books. This

493
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: is about synthetic aperture radar, and NASA even comes forward

494
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: and says, hey, yes, SAAR is real. This is a

495
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 2: thing that can be used in an instrument, sends out energy,

496
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: pulses of energy, then it comes back and it gives

497
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: you reflected energy. Theoretically, it's kind of like the light

498
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: our technology.

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Speaker 4: We've discussed exactly exactly. We also know that I'm just

500
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: establishing things we know to be true.

501
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Speaker 3: Okay.

502
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: Ifully, we know that scientists are continually discovering new things

503
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 4: around ancient Egyptian sites, including the Geze Of Pyramids.

504
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Speaker 3: It was just May of last year.

505
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Speaker 4: I believe that scientists were investigating a puzzling underground anomaly

506
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: near the gez Of Pyramids. But that's not the same

507
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: thing as finding these eight ginormous, inexplicable pillars. What they're

508
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: finding instead seems to be surface level like things connect

509
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: underground chambers, connecting surface level toombs, and that's not uncommon

510
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: for those things to be discovered. So I think it's

511
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: key for us to knowledge Yes, sor is real, and yes, secondly,

512
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: people are still finding things at these ancient sites.

513
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: Those two things are.

514
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 5: True absolutely, and if we if you might indulge me

515
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: in a thought experiment real quick, my mind immediately goes

516
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 5: to the idea of oregone energy, the idea of pyramids

517
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 5: being these beacons of you know, whatever cosmic power you know,

518
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: And what if this device underneath it were some way

519
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: of harnessing and storing that kind of thing, if this

520
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 5: were to be true, which probably isn't, But it's fun

521
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: to think about because I immediately look at this and

522
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: see these spirals and these coils connecting to this, this

523
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 5: underground superstructure, and I immediately think it's some sort of

524
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: battery or it's some sort of like way of harnessing

525
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: energy the pyramids are collecting.

526
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: Sure looks like it, right, It looks similar to a

527
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: diagram you might see of a power generation or plant.

528
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sir, well, yeah, even just coils as you're saying,

529
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: that are pulling in some form of unknown energy or

530
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: even that deep geotherbal energy or something.

531
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Speaker 5: Which is real, which could you know, there are certainly

532
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: whole HVAC systems for homes that that actually pull energy

533
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 5: out of the ground. I forget to call it, yes,

534
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: exactly right, but there it's a it's a certain type

535
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: of technology that you can use in your home to

536
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: siphon you know, heat energy from the earth.

537
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 2: But six hundred and forty meters deep is oh, it's

538
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: a stretch.

539
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

540
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: And also yeah, six hundred and forty eight meters deep

541
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: is really deep. And also, uh, this is something that

542
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: will hopefully prevent some angry emails from the PhDs in

543
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: the crowd just because the yeah, well no, no, not us.

544
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: We got to just because uh, a paper has been

545
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: published does not mean the thing the paper is about

546
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 4: is conclusively proven.

547
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, come at me, other scientists, you know, Well.

548
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: That's how I mean, that's not too right, right, But

549
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: the like that's pure review. So there are innumerable scientific

550
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: journals or purported journals, and there are tons of papers

551
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: that come out. We have to be very careful because

552
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: sometimes if someone is trying to prove something, they may

553
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: just sort of play the game of rhetorical tagging base

554
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: and say, well, there was a paper about it. The

555
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: thing is, there are papers about a lot of stuff,

556
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

557
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in this particular paper has not been peer

558
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: reviewed as of March twenty fifth, when this Snopes article

559
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking at was written, and also within the paper

560
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: it does, let's say, it alludes to some ancient alien

561
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: theories in the same way that Missing four one one

562
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: alludes to a large, hairy, potentially multi dimensional creature that

563
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: abducts people.

564
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: Yeah well, it's also, yeah, that's not a bad comparison.

565
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: They're met because we know, we know the full paper

566
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: that has been discussed in these press conferences doesn't seem

567
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: to have been not only pure review, but even released

568
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: in full. And the point about the authors is that

569
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: the authors of this paper do have previous work in

570
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: what we would loosely call ancient alien theories.

571
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know. And it doesn't help that you

572
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: can see the infographic that Joe Rogan was looking at

573
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: on that episode that we just checked out, That image

574
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: is very different from a lot of the other ones

575
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: that are being shared on social media that are also

576
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: purporting to be true, and they are conclusively generated with

577
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: one of these AI generation models, and that's according to

578
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: snops in ninety nine point five percent positivity, that at

579
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: least one of the most popular ones that you'll find

580
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: that has it looks like a space age pyramid structure

581
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: that appears to be a UAP of some sort with this,

582
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, these giant columns with all kinds of cool

583
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: light effects going on, and you know, it's pretty obviously

584
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: a generated image, but it's being sent around and looked

585
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: at by people that may not be aware that that's

586
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: what they're.

587
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: Looking at, or they might think it's an artistic rendery,

588
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: which does happen and does happen in legit scientific investigations.

589
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: The name I was thinking about we mentioned earlier, or

590
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: the mention of the author earlier. It's Corrado Malanga specifically,

591
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: who has written a bunch of books about ancient alien

592
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: human interaction. And you know, not to profile too hard,

593
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: but we do have to consider previous publications when we

594
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: look at this stuff.

595
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you also have to just keep in

596
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: mind that if you're going in to any investigation like

597
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: that with a predetermined conclusion and you're you know, well,

598
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what science does right, you have a hypothesis,

599
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: then you're looking to prove that wrong or right, but

600
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 2: mostly wrong, because if you can't prove it wrong, then

601
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: it's probably right. But if you're going in with such

602
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: a strong bias, and you are using something that does exist,

603
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: like synthetic aperture radar, and you see some stuff that

604
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: maybe is anomalist to what you imagine to find, you

605
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: are then putting this bias on whatever that is rather

606
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: than further exploring the potentials of what it could be.

607
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: What's that old joke? Who is this rorshat guy?

608
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: And why does he keep drawing pictures of my granddad's penis?

609
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: To get a lot of those pictures on my wall?

610
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: I got a lot of them on my phone. Is

611
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: that weird?

612
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: I'm stop texting so anyway, But that's I mean, crass

613
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: jokes aside. We hope that when gave you a chuckle fleet,

614
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: I think that's an incredibly important point about how predetermined

615
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: you know, desires or predetermined patterns the human mind seeks

616
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: to recognize will have a heavy influence on the interpretation

617
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: of new information, especially since you know, just as we

618
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: outline there are bits of truth like people are still

619
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: finding weird stuff around these ancient sites. There are a

620
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: lot of un answered questions about ancient history, and the

621
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: technology described is a real thing.

622
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Yep, go down the real existing rabbit hole right now

623
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: over at Smithsonian Magazine search for Scientists are investigating a

624
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: puzzling underground anomaly near the Giza Pyramids. Using remote sensing technologies.

625
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: Researchers have discovered two connected structures in a previously unexplored area.

626
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: That is like the real stuff right now that you

627
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: can check out that is being discovered in around the

628
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Pyramids of Giza in Egypt. Then you can find this

629
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: other stuff if you want to. I guess, search pillars

630
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: and pyramids and you'll find all of this stuff, including

631
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Reddit threads out the wazoo.

632
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And pay attention to which subreddits you're

633
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 4: checking out, because some of them will have vastly different

634
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: responses to the same to the same piece of news.

635
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: I love this stuff, man, and I when this started

636
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: making the round, like so many other people, I saw

637
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: an interesting infographic and what do you do?

638
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: You click on it? Right.

639
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: We're inquisitive, we want to learn more. And I did

640
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: some of the same diving that we're doing today and

641
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: my face went from like really excited, leaning in to

642
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 4: going and by the end I have full de neuro face.

643
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: You know, is the pillows looking at me?

644
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: Do you think you got a pillow over you? Man?

645
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: Yep?

646
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: All right, hey, so fleet, Thank you so much, proud,

647
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: thank you so much. We'll be right back with more

648
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: messages from y'all.

649
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: And we have returned.

650
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: We're going to hear from a I believe a possible

651
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: returning conspiracy realist. Just love your name, Angry biz Kits,

652
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 4: so angry biz kielts putting a little spin on the accent.

653
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: Here here's what we heard. This is in response to

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Speaker 4: our tariffs episode, Ben Matt Nole. Great episode as usual,

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Speaker 4: very informative. I thought you might be interested in an

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Speaker 4: aspect of the topic. You didn't cover the chicken tax.

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Speaker 4: Now have we ever heard of the chicken tax?

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Speaker 2: We talked about a chicken tax with regards to the

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Speaker 2: eggs at waffle house.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, so we were getting there.

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Speaker 3: Here's this is interesting. This is a bit of ridiculous

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Speaker 3: history too, and it's instructive for us.

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Speaker 4: This was kind of new to us. Angry biz Kits continues.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered why we can't get those cute

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Speaker 4: Japanese light trucks over here. Yes, have you had wait wait,

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Speaker 4: wait wait, the cute Japanese light trucks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 4: They're like cool pickup truck. I'll send you a picture.

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Speaker 4: They're these cool series or genre of work trucks that

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Speaker 4: have a smaller footprint, you know how, like you can't

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Speaker 4: buy decently, like you can't buy a regular old school

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Speaker 4: pickup truck in the US now.

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Speaker 2: Like the Kait truck or k truck, k Ei truck.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, like those kind of things.

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Speaker 2: It's a teeny little guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little boy. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And Angry Biscuits continues. Have you ever wondered why the

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Speaker 4: Subaru Brat had two seats facing backwards in the bed?

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Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered why Chuck Taylors or Sketchers have

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Speaker 4: fuzzy souls? It's the chicken tax. We'll talk about this

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Speaker 4: a little bit after, but I just love the way right,

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Speaker 4: Angry Biscuits you continue.

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Speaker 3: Post dub dub dose. Huh.

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Speaker 4: Nice chicken farming domestically was all the rage. We were

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Speaker 4: exporting chicken to Europe like crazy over there. Chicken was

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Speaker 4: considered a luxury meat. The Europeans, especially the French, didn't

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Speaker 4: like this and put tariffs on the chicken we were exporting.

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Speaker 4: So in response, Lyndon Johnson put a twenty five percent

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Speaker 4: tariff on light trucks and other goods. That tariff on

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Speaker 4: light trucks still exist, and auto manufacturers did odd things

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Speaker 4: to get around it, like installing the backward seats in

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Speaker 4: the Subaru Brat to make it a passenger car, or

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Speaker 4: sending over cargo vans with side panels lightly welded in

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Speaker 4: over to a finishing factory, which would then install the

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Speaker 4: seats and the glass and get you a passenger van.

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Speaker 4: Those shoes, the fuzzy bottom on the converse gets them

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Speaker 4: classified as house shoes or slippers, which is a lower

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Speaker 4: tax tiff rate than regular shoes. Crazy, isn't it. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for the show, and thanks for all the thought material.

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Speaker 4: I'm angry Biscuits and I approve this message. Feel free

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Speaker 4: to use in any way you'd like, including reading it

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Speaker 4: in a listener mail segment. So I love this chicken text.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a misleading name, yeah, but it hits on

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Speaker 4: a real period of ridiculous history, and it also tells

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Speaker 4: us something that I think we could return to in

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Speaker 4: the future, which is tariff loopholes. There's so many ways

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Speaker 4: to get around this, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gotta say though, and I'm sorry for this.

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Speaker 2: I'm still stuck on the Subaru brat.

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Speaker 3: You want a brat?

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Speaker 2: This thing is awesome, I know, right, it's uh and

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Speaker 2: it's an acronym, Yes, it's an acronym.

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Speaker 4: Uh what what what was the acronym by drive Recreational

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Speaker 4: all terrain Transporter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really does have two seats in the

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Speaker 2: back of a truck. But it also looks like a car.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like a you know how an

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Speaker 4: El Camino is like a truck and a card. Yes,

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Speaker 4: this one looks like one of its parents was an

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Speaker 4: El Camino and we don't know you know which one.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure. And then they strapped two

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Speaker 2: seats back there because awesome.

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Speaker 4: Because yeah, this is what is called a great import vehicle.

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Speaker 4: You can you can get them through sort of third

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Speaker 4: party sometimes they're parallel imports. But the entirety Angry Biscuits,

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Speaker 4: you were absolutely correct. The entire reason that they were

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Speaker 4: that they have these two super adventurous seats in the

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Speaker 4: back is to get around tariffs. And that story about

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Speaker 4: converse is true as well. These are money saving hacks

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Speaker 4: and they they happen more frequently than a lot of

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Speaker 4: people would assume. The loopholes rise in step with the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Can I also one last thing? I'm sorry, I just

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Speaker 2: keep going on those products like this, What are the

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Speaker 2: fuzzy souls on Chuck Taylor's in thet Like, what are

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Speaker 2: we talking about? Maybe we don't understand this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So if you ever put on a fresh

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Speaker 4: pair of Chucks, who doesn't love a good point?

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Speaker 2: I have it? But okay you haven't. No, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what this is.

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Speaker 5: They're kind of like not the most comfortable of shoe.

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Speaker 5: It's like the canvas bag of shoes.

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, they're not. I mean, they're not going

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Speaker 3: to be your every day forever shoes.

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Speaker 5: You know what for some people wear.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be his every day forever.

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Speaker 5: No, not not for you, Maddy. I don't think you're

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Speaker 5: a Chuck's kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: But what's the fuzzy bottoms thing?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: Okay, they have felt souls.

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Speaker 4: This is a layer of fabric that usually goes away

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Speaker 4: pretty quickly, but if you buy a fresh Berry Converse,

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Speaker 4: you'll see that they have this very thin layer of

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Speaker 4: fabric on the bottom and converse will or In the past,

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Speaker 4: they used to officially say this helps with things like

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Speaker 4: quieter usage and shape retention. But the real reason is

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Speaker 4: that loophole the angry Biscuits describes because now you don't

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Speaker 4: have the same okay, converse is part of Nike. Nike

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Speaker 4: imports its products into the US from China, and so

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Speaker 4: back in twenty eighteen, the previous Trump administration put a

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Speaker 4: bunch of tariffs on a wide range of US imports

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Speaker 4: from China. Some items had a heftier tear griffs than others.

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Speaker 4: So sneakers, for instance, have thirty seven point five percent tariff,

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Speaker 4: or they did, and historically they've had a lot of

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Speaker 4: high tariffs depending on how trade relations go. But slippers

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Speaker 4: are not sneakers. They only have a three percent tariff,

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Speaker 4: and the legal requirement for shoe to be considered a

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Speaker 4: slipper is to have a fuzzy wuzzy soul.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, So yeah, I mean, I guess I'm picturing a

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Speaker 5: Chuck Taylor, which I used to wear often, and the

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Speaker 5: bottoms they do kind of get worn pretty quickly. I

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Speaker 5: guess I never really thought of them as being fuzzy though.

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Speaker 5: That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a very it's a very thin thing.

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Speaker 4: And this, this chicken tax is something again that we

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Speaker 4: we should all be more aware of because it is

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Speaker 4: it's a precedent up there with the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act.

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Speaker 3: It occurs. Oh yeah, yeah, it occurred in sixty four

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Speaker 3: or under LBJ and Jumbo or whatever he called whatever

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Speaker 3: he called it.

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Speaker 5: And we consulted on a regular basis.

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Speaker 4: We consult I love there who we consulted on a

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Speaker 4: regular basis. Hold by calls, I'm consulting.

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Speaker 2: So guys, I just want I want a Honda. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a T three sixty. I want that now.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Jeff, it's got cute little eyes on it

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Speaker 2: and it's a baby truck.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Ben, Sorry to Dero for a second, but

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Speaker 5: you mentioned this, and I didn't really realize it until

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Speaker 5: I saw some YouTube videos recently. The electric cars that

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Speaker 5: are available in Asia but not here are insane. Like

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Speaker 5: the level of tech that they have over there puts

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Speaker 5: folks like Tesla to absolute shame. And it's no wonder

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Speaker 5: that American. You know, evs aren't doing much over there

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Speaker 5: because the competition is outrageous. I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 5: a couple of brands that you may know off the

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Speaker 5: top of your head, Downd, But I saw one that

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Speaker 5: like you can like make it bounce and jiggle and

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Speaker 5: like move around and stuff like it's crazy what you

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Speaker 5: can do with these things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot even outside of EV

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Speaker 4: like the Avida Avatar without an e Avatar two, it's sick.

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Speaker 4: The SUV game is just over, and we're not you know,

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Speaker 4: we're not trying to sound as though we are anti

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Speaker 4: American or something, but we are, I think, unanimously agreed

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Speaker 4: that were these vehicles allowed into the US at a

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Speaker 4: higher rate, or at any rate, people would love them.

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Speaker 3: People would dig all the features on these things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and I love my Honda CRV Hybrid,

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Speaker 5: which I'm glad. It seems like I got just in

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Speaker 5: the nick of time, by the way, y'all. Who yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean truly like within weeks, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: could have been a whole other story as far as

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Speaker 5: like that being a car that I could afford.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and these tariffs that launched a thousand ships of

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Speaker 4: weird consumer activity. These tariffs from the chicken tax eventually

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Speaker 4: end up getting lifted. But since nineteen sixty four there's

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Speaker 4: been this precedent of protectionism, and it is despite being

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Speaker 4: called the chicken tax, it is specifically often aimed to

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Speaker 4: give US domestic auto manufacturers and advantage over imports.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And you know, some of that's just the dirty business

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Speaker 4: of lobbying, to be quite honest. Some of it is,

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Speaker 4: you know, national security concerns about the economics of the nation, right,

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Speaker 4: employment numbers and so on. But this leads us to

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Speaker 4: a concept that angry biscuits you were probably familiar with.

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Speaker 4: But we have to introduce everybody to this term tariff engineering.

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Speaker 4: That's what it's called. It's not called cheating, it's not

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Speaker 4: called fixing the game. It's called engineering. Tariff engineering. That's

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Speaker 4: where you make a product on purpose to exploit in

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Speaker 4: some way a loophole in the tariff system that you're

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Speaker 4: trying to hack. That's why you get the felt That's

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Speaker 4: why you get you know, the that's why you get

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Speaker 4: the adventurous back seats on the super u brat.

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Speaker 5: That makes sense, super brat, Yes, yeah, sorry, guy, I

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Speaker 5: stepped out for a minute. Full disclosure, I don't think

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Speaker 5: I caught the super U Brat conversation. I didn't know.

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Speaker 5: Is that is it like reference to Brat Summer to

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Speaker 5: Charlie XCX or is this predating Charlie's Bratt.

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Speaker 3: It's the original Brat Summer. It's the by drive recreational

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Speaker 3: all terrain transporter super.

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Speaker 5: That's what Bratt stood for all along.

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Speaker 2: Jason, you're not ready for how awesome this thing is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, how brat it is.

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Speaker 2: You're so glad to see it, have you?

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Speaker 3: Like? Yeah, do do check it out.

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Speaker 4: There's a imagine if an El Camino was a little

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Speaker 4: more awkward cool picturing its.

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Speaker 2: Seats in the truck part of the Camino.

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Speaker 3: Facing out, facing backwards.

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Speaker 5: Well, that sounds fine. It's like it's like a ride,

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Speaker 5: you know it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it's an amusement.

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Speaker 4: So we want to hear your favorite examples of these

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Speaker 4: tariff loopholes or tariff engineering. I think it happens in

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Speaker 4: food a lot as well, Like what could be considered

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Speaker 4: which type of candy?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: What could be considered you know, a truck or a car,

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Speaker 4: or a toy or an action figure. I feel like

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Speaker 4: anywhere you find a demand for a product. Depending on

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Speaker 4: how the nation's leaders go, you'll find clever, weird loopholes.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm looking at a great MPR article titled

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Speaker 2: look at some of the creative ways companies try to

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Speaker 2: dodge high tariffs, and that was published in early March

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Speaker 2: of last year, and it just goes through all this

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Speaker 2: stuff where it gives you examples of people just reclassifying

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Speaker 2: stuff like, you know what, it's not that anymore, it's this,

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Speaker 2: and so it's not terrifable.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, what a terrific idea. And this is an

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Speaker 4: article you linked us to angry Biscuits. There's a please

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Speaker 4: do check out the article. It has a great statement

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Speaker 4: from Douglas Irwin, who is an economics professor at Dartmouth,

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Speaker 4: who says the following. It's sort of like whack a mole.

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Speaker 4: If you hit China with a tariff, you start importing

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Speaker 4: for Vietnam. Pretty soon Vietnam will get hit with a tariff,

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Speaker 4: and then you import from Cambodia or something like that.

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Speaker 4: So there's a limit to how much you can reshuffle

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Speaker 4: where you're importing from. And then oh that's the This

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Speaker 4: is the one that mentions the action figures.

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Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what I wanted to go to next. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: why don't you tell us about that. There's a line

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Speaker 2: in there about how Marvel got around some stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's back in two thousand and three. Marvel,

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Speaker 4: of course is making a ton of merchandise as always.

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Speaker 4: They've got some pretty sick action figures for comic fans. However,

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Speaker 4: they had to go to court and say, look, we

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Speaker 4: know there are tariffs on dolls, but X Men action

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Speaker 4: figures are non human toys because the X Men are mutants.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're non human toys. They're not dolls. They

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Speaker 2: have their tax rate by calling them non human toys

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Speaker 2: rather than.

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Speaker 4: Dolls, and nothing changed about the This is interesting because

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00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 4: nothing changed about the actual thing they were making, it's

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Speaker 4: just the way that they described it. And then that

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Speaker 4: also gets us to the Planet Money report, where you

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Speaker 4: will pay more for a Santa suit depending on whether

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Speaker 4: it has zippers or velcro yep, which I feel like

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00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: in retrospect, I feel like that explains a lot of

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Speaker 4: the the not great quality costumes we've bought for video sketches.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the knockoff ones that you can find

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Speaker 2: that are half price. It's the same thing, but it's

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00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: half price. Oh wait, it's just Velcrode in the back instead, right,

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Speaker 2: or or.

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Speaker 4: This isn't a Santa suit, it's an Antas suit and

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Speaker 4: it just happens to be white and red.

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Speaker 2: So, dude, there's a there's a whole thing in here,

908
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: you know, Snuggies. Do you remember how how huge that was

909
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: back in the day, not that long ago, Snuggies. This

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00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: idea that's kind of a wearable blanket situation. Well, depending

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00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: on if it's a blanket or an article of clothing

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00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: changes things. So which one is it? Is it a

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Speaker 2: blanket you can wear or an oversized hoodie?

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, it depends on the tax rate, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing. Tariff engineering is legal.

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Speaker 4: It is totally fine to go to court and say,

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Speaker 4: you know, your honor, this is very anti mutant legislation.

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Speaker 3: That's so hmm I wonder.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So two thousand and three, So stan Lee is alive? Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so is he?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, a picture of the stan Lee voice

924
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: where he's yelled at the judge.

925
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Speaker 3: He's leaving the courtroom, just going excelsia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you you zoom out and you're actually

927
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Speaker 2: inside an episode of The X Men. And then you

928
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: zoom out further and Iron Man's there, and you're like,

929
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: what's happening?

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00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: And then you zoom out even further. Kevin Fage is

931
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: just somewhere in space with his fingers steepled. Yeah, we're

932
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Speaker 4: going a little off the rails here, folks, but we

933
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Speaker 4: sure appreciate your time, and please, please, please do tell

934
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Speaker 4: us your favorite hilarious examples of tariff loopholes. Thanks to

935
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Speaker 4: Angry Biscuits for hipping us to the chicken tax.

936
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Speaker 3: Thanks to Proud We're proud of you man.

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00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: We can't wait to hear that insider info on Firefly,

938
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: just the legal insider info, just that part.

939
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just that part, but then also the naming conventions.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very much, so very much.

941
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Speaker 2: So we're talking characters, episodes like different planets where we're talking.

942
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, lay it out for us, tell us

943
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Speaker 4: what the future, you know what, we have some name ideas.

944
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Speaker 4: We're all right, dudes, we could help and we work

945
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: for peanuts. Also, thank you to Flee and thank you

946
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 4: for you know, prompting that exploration on ancient aliens and

947
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: the importance of critical thought. Thanks to doctor Estralla, John,

948
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Speaker 4: you have some stuff coming bat you and I mentioned

949
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: this pretty often in the past, so I love the

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00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: electromagnetic idea. We can't wait to see what you think

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00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: about our gravitational theory. Just quickly, doctor, remember put your

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00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 4: ethics to a side when you read it.

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00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: It is a thought experiment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and to be clear, this is Ben's idea and

955
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: he has written a research paper on.

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00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: It and it was a group effort. So we can't

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Speaker 3: wait to hear from you. Folks.

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