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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we are gonna give you

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Speaker 1: our full breakdown from the Ravens Week one loss in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Heartbreaking game Garrett twenty seven to twenty Ravens

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Speaker 1: literally came a toe away from potentially beating the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: in Arrowhead Stadium in AFC Championship Game rematch. Exciting game

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Speaker 1: for fans around the world who are watching this one,

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Speaker 1: but ends up being a long flight home for the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was disappointing, Like this is I

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Speaker 2: think when you know, you kick off the season, there's

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Speaker 2: all this excitement and you're playing the Chiefs and all

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Speaker 2: this and it's the rematch of last year, and you know,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens went toe to toe with them. Maybe a

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Speaker 2: bad choice awards there, just how the game ended.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wended, Garrett too soon.

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Speaker 2: But you know so I don't really think that obviously

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Speaker 2: there's no moral victory here, but I think that I

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Speaker 2: think it showed that these are two of the best

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Speaker 2: teams in the league once again, and they're they're right

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Speaker 2: there kind of neck and neck in terms of you know,

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Speaker 2: how good they are. You know, I think that they're

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Speaker 2: both they're right there with each other, and you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a variety of things that the Ravens needed to

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Speaker 2: do better, which we're going to talk through, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that the prevailing theme after the game and

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Speaker 2: after the loss was that the Ravens did a lot

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Speaker 2: of things that they think that they will do better,

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Speaker 2: they can do better, and they're not coming away from

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Speaker 2: this feeling like, oh man, that's that's too big of

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Speaker 2: an uphill climb for us to ever beat those guys.

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're right there and if they do

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Speaker 2: certain things differently, then they can win that game.

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Speaker 1: Oh. They definitely felt that that was their game to win.

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Speaker 1: And I mean afterwards, the Ravens felt like they still

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Speaker 1: want it. Like you could not convince Lamar Jackson that

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Speaker 1: Isaiah at least tow was out of a bat. I

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Speaker 1: know he still felt like after the game that it

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Speaker 1: was out by a whisker, but like they were beside

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Speaker 1: themselves after this game. So we're gonna break down that

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Speaker 1: whole crazy finish, give you our take on that. A

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Speaker 1: lot of debate and discussion about some of the penalties

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Speaker 1: in this game and lack of penalties, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go into what went right and what went wrong

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens in this serious opener. So so Garrett,

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Speaker 1: let's just talk off the top here about you know,

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Speaker 1: what does this loss mean for the Ravens going forward?

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Speaker 1: What does you kind of talked a little bit about

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Speaker 1: it that they showed that they can go toe to

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Speaker 1: toe with the back to back champions. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that that was ever really in question.

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come into this game by any means thinking

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Speaker 1: the Ravens or the Chiefs were gonna get the blow

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Speaker 1: doors blown off of them. But you know, how concerning

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Speaker 1: is this loss when you look ahead for the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: I don't really think it's concerning when you look ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's only concerning in the sense that you're now one

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Speaker 2: game in the hole, and you know, you when you

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Speaker 2: play this thing out over the course of the year,

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Speaker 2: you think that these two teams could be maybe the

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Speaker 2: best in the AFC. You know, of course, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: But I think that that's the concern is just that

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Speaker 2: you now have dropped a game to one of your

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Speaker 2: biggest competitors, and both of these teams were saying after

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Speaker 2: the game that they expect to see each other again.

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Speaker 2: So that's the that's the concern. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: just think that now you have, you know, a hole

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Speaker 2: a big hole. It's one game. It's the first game

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Speaker 2: but I just think that, yeah, now you now you're

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Speaker 2: to if you're a tie with them, a tiebreaker situation,

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Speaker 2: they have the head to head, so you're really down

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Speaker 2: one and a half games to them. That's the concern.

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Speaker 2: But I think that, you know, I think that this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what's frustrating is it's the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: we should have beaten them, We could have beaten them,

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Speaker 1: We were the better team. We deserved that to win

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Speaker 3: It's growing weary, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Ravens have lost the Chiefs five of

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson era, and it feels like every one of

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Speaker 1: those losses could have gone the other way, right. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: the crazy play that Mahomes made in Kansas City way

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Speaker 1: wild scramble to tyreek, Yeah, throw out the tyreek across

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Speaker 1: his body, just which Patrick Mahomes has later said like

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Speaker 1: that play he felt like was his greatest late game

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Speaker 1: they're that they're in danger of losing, right, like a

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Speaker 1: turning point play in game for them in in his career,

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Speaker 1: which I didn't like to hear, you know. And then

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Speaker 1: obviously you fast forward to the AFC Championship game. The

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Speaker 1: but you know, kind of beat themselves by not running

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Speaker 1: And then and then this game you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: the first drive, took a seven to nothing lead, the

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Speaker 1: a two minute drive that was pretty epic, and it

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Speaker 1: certainly looked like John Harball was going to go for two.

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Speaker 1: They had a chance to steal one. But I and

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Speaker 1: I don't know that this was a game where you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with with that take on it, because

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Speaker 2: I don't I feel like this is I do feel

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the stakes and all that stuff, put

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Speaker 2: I think you could have I think you could have

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Speaker 2: And maybe they're not that different after all, but like

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Speaker 3: Ravens made more of a comeback attempt than this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were playing for the Raves were playing from

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Speaker 2: this this kind of moves into the next big talking

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Speaker 2: point about this game is like that the end, you know,

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Speaker 2: which is they had this epic drive and you know,

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Speaker 2: they're they're pinned back at the thirteen yard line with

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Speaker 2: heroic effort by Lamar Jackson and this offense. And again

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Speaker 2: there's not a moral victory here, but that was. That

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Speaker 2: was an incredible drive by them to get down there

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Speaker 2: And Isaiah Likely, I'll tell you I was, I was

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Speaker 2: it's just one of the it's a shame that, like

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Speaker 2: it's a shame that we don't get to see what

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Speaker 2: happens on that two point play. I would that's just

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Speaker 2: a shame because I think that it would have been

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Speaker 2: that would have been an epic moment either way, right

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Speaker 2: would have happened on that two point play, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think big picture, Uh, the fact of the matter

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Speaker 1: is the Ravens made too many mistakes and they had

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Speaker 1: a lot of calls go against them, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that, but they made too many mistakes to come

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Speaker 1: away with a win here, you know, like they it

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think Jeff's rebeca the

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Speaker 2: That's that's a good je that Jeff's.

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Speaker 1: It's a good line, and uh, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Jeff will just borrow it for these purposes. But you know,

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Speaker 1: postgame in a in a long time. The the Ravens

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Speaker 1: locker room was definitely beside itself about some of those calls.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley included, and I thought a telling point in

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Speaker 1: the postgame press conference was when a reporter, not a

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Speaker 1: Ravens reporter, but some outside reporter said, you know, to

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, you've you've previously called the Chiefs your kryptonite. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you what do you feel about them?

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Speaker 1: After this game and cut them off and said they're

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Speaker 1: not my kryptonite. Like he said like three times, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: They want to dispel that notion and uh, but you

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Speaker 1: lost five of the six, and like they are just

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Speaker 1: really six to their stomachs about doing Roquan Smith was

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Speaker 3: And so it just.

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Speaker 1: Adds another level of frustration for the Ravens when they're

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Speaker 1: going against the Chiefs. But like you can be frustrated

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Speaker 1: all you want, and you can say we should have

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Speaker 1: won that game and all that stuff, but you gotta win, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter, like you you know, you can

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Speaker 1: take the moral victories and you know, like you're talking

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Speaker 1: about and that's all valid, Like they did battle their

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Speaker 1: it was rocking all that stuff, right, Like that's all valid,

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Speaker 1: it's all true. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens keep falling just short of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then Lamar Jackson scrambled at his third highest rate

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Speaker 2: But but those those mistakes did hurt. Like the strip

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too. I Mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be too many games where his rushing stat

437
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Speaker 2: line looks like it did Thursday Night, sixteen cares one

438
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two yards, Like, I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting like when you asked Lamar back

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Speaker 2: when we had him on the podcast right before the

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Speaker 2: season started, about are the days done off you rushing

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Speaker 2: for a thousand yards or a thousand yards in the season,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, it's whatever it takes to win

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Speaker 2: a game. And and you saw that, you know, point

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Speaker 2: blank against the Chiefs. I mean, he was doing anything

446
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Speaker 2: he could win the game. Again, I don't think that

447
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Speaker 2: that's gonna be the stat line typically, but he clearly

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Speaker 2: still has that ability. And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: as you play this thing out over the course of

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Speaker 2: the year, I don't think that it's.

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Speaker 1: He he very well could go over a thousand. He's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not on pace for a thousand. He's currently on

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Speaker 1: pace for two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Hit two thousand four rushing us.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna hit two, but I think

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Speaker 2: that a thousand is certainly in sight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree.

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Speaker 1: The shame of it is like for as great as

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Speaker 1: I thought Lamar played, and as gutsy of a performance

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Speaker 1: as that was, and he kept that he kept the

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Speaker 1: Ravens offense in it. Man, it was it was Lamar.

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Speaker 1: It was a Lamar show, considering all the pressure he

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Speaker 1: was under to be able to operate that offense despite

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Speaker 1: that pressure rate, it was pretty.

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Speaker 3: Amazing to watch.

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Speaker 1: Despite that, I mean, I think he was sick about

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Speaker 1: the way that obviously he was very sick about the

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Speaker 1: way that game ended, and especially you know, the near

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Speaker 1: close calls that he had. You know, I think he

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Speaker 1: had those two deep shots. You know, he had Isaiah

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Speaker 1: likely one on one for a deep shot early in

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Speaker 1: the game. Was the only ball that went in complete

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Speaker 1: to Isaiah likely that that was a little too long.

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Speaker 1: Oh actually that's not true. Twelve targets, nine catches, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then right there at the very end, he had

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Speaker 1: Likely open again and sailed that ball high on the

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Speaker 1: play that Lamar got or that likely got injured on.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of a my guy or

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Speaker 1: no guy throw. But that was a tough one. And

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Speaker 1: then of course the the misthrowt to day Flowers, which

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Speaker 1: Lamar later explained that was not intended for Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 1: He was intending that for ra shot Bateman, who he

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Speaker 1: thought was gonna stop a little bit earlier. And then

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Speaker 1: as he was throwing that salt, he saw Za Flowers

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Speaker 1: behind Bateman flashing wide open in the back of the

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Speaker 1: end zone.

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Speaker 3: But it was too late.

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Speaker 1: He was already in his throwing motion and he couldn't

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Speaker 1: really change the throw and he, you know, Lamar was

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Speaker 1: sick about that one. So just it's just this, It's

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Speaker 1: a darn shame, you know, the way the guy plays

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Speaker 1: the whole game, and then you have these these plays that,

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Speaker 1: besides the toe play in the back of the end zone,

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Speaker 1: the two shots before that certainly could have been touchdowns

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Speaker 1: to win the game potentially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think on the one where the past you know,

499
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Speaker 2: went right by and say was open at the end zone.

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Speaker 2: When I saw it live, I was like, man, how

501
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Speaker 2: do you how did you not?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What was their miscommunication there? But when you actually watched

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Speaker 2: that play back and you look at the back angle,

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Speaker 2: like Justice Hill and Lamar talked about this, he was

506
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Speaker 2: blocking Chris Jones one on one talk about tough assignments,

507
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Speaker 2: so he's he's got his hands full with Chris Jones

508
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Speaker 2: and you know, Lamar was was moving in the pocket

509
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Speaker 2: there to try to create some time. And it's not

510
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Speaker 2: like he had a clear window there, Like there was

511
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Speaker 2: guys in front of him, Chris Jones was coming off

512
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Speaker 2: the side. Justice as whole actually held up you know,

513
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Speaker 2: decent and protection given the assign there and like and

514
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Speaker 2: so it's not like that actually was a much more

515
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Speaker 2: obstructed view than I realized at first glance of that

516
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Speaker 2: Lamar had to say in the end zone. And it

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Speaker 2: is like, had had it been had he been able

518
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Speaker 2: to hold on for a half a beat more, he

519
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: might have been able to deliver that ball perfectly to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, wide open in the end zone, we might

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Speaker 2: be having a differentation. So yeah, that's it. That is

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Speaker 2: the tough part. It's like, you know, there's there's a

523
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Speaker 2: lot to be excited about, but then there's these other

524
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: moments where you're like, man, I just wish you could

525
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Speaker 2: have this play could have been made, you know, or

526
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Speaker 2: and and I think that's that's what the Ravens need

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Speaker 2: to get over. That's where the Ravens like that those

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Speaker 2: are the things that they need to like collectively do

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Speaker 2: differently when playing the Chiefs. You know, so that the

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Speaker 2: conversation is like, oh, man, if this one play had

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Speaker 2: gone differently, this could have happened. You know, they have

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Speaker 2: to make that play. They have to make those plays

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Speaker 2: in order, you know, to beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I agree with that. I agree with that, all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a break and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dive a little bit more into.

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Speaker 3: What didn't go right. And also, this is the better part.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna want to hear what did go well for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens when we come back from this break.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Lunch podcast. We're coming to you

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Speaker 2: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to give

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Speaker 2: terms of what didn't go right, I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the big talking points of this game was

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Speaker 2: was all the illegal formation calls. The Ravens had five

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Speaker 2: illegal formation penalties. Three of them are Ronnie Stanley, one

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Speaker 2: of them are Pat McCarey, one of them on a

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Speaker 2: shod bateman. And I think everyone's like what was going

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Speaker 2: on with those and the Ravens included. And Ronnie Stanley

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Speaker 2: did talk with reporters after the game and made the

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Speaker 2: point that you know, I've been playing football for a

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Speaker 2: long time, and he was as surprised as anybody that

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Speaker 2: he was getting flagged the way that he was. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that if you get on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: you can see on Ravens. If you see you can

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Speaker 2: see on Ravens Twitter. Basically the side by side comparisons

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Speaker 2: to some of these plays where Ronnie Stanley's lined up

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Speaker 2: and where Jawan Taylor's lined up sometimes you know, a

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Speaker 2: foot in the ground while the ball is still yet

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Speaker 2: to be snapped. And so I think that well, one.

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Speaker 3: Kind of where you're lined up and the other one

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Speaker 3: is a false start.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Jwan Taylor's kind of made a reputation

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Speaker 1: kind of for both. You know, yeah, Taylor certainly forgetting

567
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Speaker 1: going early.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, totally.

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Speaker 3: Look, here's my thing about this, and so.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is emphasizing has had made it clear this

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Speaker 1: offseason that this is going to be a point of

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Speaker 1: emphasis about tackles lining too far off the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage basically to gain an advantage improve their angle, give

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Speaker 1: them a half a fraction of a second more time

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Speaker 1: to react to stop these these pass rushers. Right, and

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Speaker 1: so the NFL told teams this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a point of emphasis. And it feels like this happens

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Speaker 1: every year around the NFL. Whether it's late hits on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, whether it's taunting right that that was a

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Speaker 1: point of emphasis a year or two ago, or whatnot,

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Speaker 1: whether it's low hits you know it hits the knees

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Speaker 1: or whatnot. And it feels like every year when you

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Speaker 1: watch the season kickoff game, you see ten flags thrown

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Speaker 1: on this point of emphasis, and you hear Chris collins

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Speaker 1: Worth and be.

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Speaker 3: Like, ah, this is what the NF fellas talking about.

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Speaker 3: This was gonna be a point of emphasis this offseason.

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Speaker 3: And it felt like the Ravens were the test rat.

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Speaker 3: That's what it felt like, right, they were. They were

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Speaker 3: the lab rat that went through the experiment and like that.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's gonna be like really heavy the first

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Speaker 3: game and then it kind of goes away. That's like

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Speaker 3: what I've seen in previous years. Right And and the Ravens, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: were the first offensive drive of the season, and so

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Speaker 3: like Ronnie Stanley felt like he was being made an

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Speaker 3: example of. And I think that there's a case for that, right,

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Speaker 3: Like that's just kind of how it's worked over the years.

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Speaker 3: Is like the whatever these points of emphasis are the

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Speaker 3: first team up in the first game up like they're

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Speaker 3: gonna be watching you like a hawk, basically, right and

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Speaker 3: if you're and if you're a millimeter if and the

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Speaker 3: rule is just for for listeners out there. The rule

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Speaker 3: is any part of the tackle. It could be the

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Speaker 3: their face, man ask whatever it is. The ford most

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Speaker 3: part of the tackle needs to break the plane of

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Speaker 3: the back of the center's butt basically, and that's they

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Speaker 3: have to be lined up in that regard. If you're

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Speaker 3: behind the center, then you're lined up. It's an illegal

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Speaker 3: formation penalty.

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Speaker 1: And Ronnie Stanley felt adamantly that he was. I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the perfect angle looking right down the

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Speaker 1: line to be able to say whether he was definitively

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Speaker 1: or not. Ronnie felt like he lined up where he's

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Speaker 1: always lined up. But maybe that's what the NFL has said,

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Speaker 1: how these tackles have lined up in the past was

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Speaker 1: too far back, and that's why.

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Speaker 3: They made it a point of emphasis right now.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie also said he felt like he even lined up

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Speaker 1: a little bit more forward, especially after getting the early calls,

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Speaker 1: and he got hit with a third later in the game, right,

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Speaker 1: He got hit with two on the opening series and

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Speaker 1: then a third later in the game, and so he

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Speaker 1: was kind of beside himself because he felt like I

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Speaker 1: was lining up even more for Like he said, he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of dialogue with the official like.

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Speaker 3: How far more for do I need to go? You know?

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Speaker 3: And so that's I guess a long way of saying like.

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Speaker 1: This, this has happened with other things before, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that there's an element of like you're the

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Speaker 1: first out of the gates, so you are going to

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Speaker 1: be made an example of. The surprising part is that

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs got zero of them and and you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the I haven't done the you know,

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Speaker 1: deep dive down the film to see exactly where Jawan

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Speaker 1: Taylor lined up on every single play and see if

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Speaker 1: he should have. I'm sorry, folks, but I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to have enough time to do that either, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so like I don't know if it was just

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Speaker 1: one side or not, but it was odd that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens were the only ones getting flagged for it, especially

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Speaker 1: because the Chiefs and Jawan Taylor specifically were part I

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Speaker 1: think of why that rule and the emphsis was put

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Speaker 1: into place.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, Ronnie Stanley did say, like they knew that

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Speaker 2: this was going to be a point emphasis and so

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Speaker 2: like they they were preparing for that in offseason practices in.

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Speaker 3: Which they have referees, had those practices.

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Speaker 2: Right, they have officials at the practices and sometimes they're

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Speaker 2: NFL officials, sometimes they're college but they've also they're also

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Speaker 2: NFL officials, and and there that was not flagged. That

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Speaker 2: was not something that was that came up, and so

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Speaker 2: the Ravens were surprised as anybody. Now, the interesting thing

653
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: is like they got three of them on the first drive,

654
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: but they went down the field and scort Of touched

655
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: on the first drive, so it actually didn't hurt them

656
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: on the opening drive where they got the majority of

657
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: that's correct.

658
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: They had one more later in the game on Ronnie Stanley.

659
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: So like those penalties were a big talking point after

660
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: the game. In reality, I don't know that they like

661
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: impacted the result of the game all that much, to

662
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: be honest, you know like it made it.

663
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: It was more of a talking point, like what the

664
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: heck is going on here? Right?

665
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Then it was like, this is why the Ravens lost

666
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: the game because it wasn't right.

667
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: It made penalties. Yeah, five illegal formation penalties is like,

668
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: you know, one of the ranger stat lines I've ever seen, Like,

669
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen a game that has

670
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: had that many illegal formation calls on one.

671
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: Another big penalty was the holding call on Tyler Linnenbaum

672
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: wiped out a thirty plus yard run by Lamar Jackson.

673
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, that was a definitely debatable, debatable holding penalty.

674
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: But again that one didn't end up hurting the Ravens

675
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: because they scored the touchdown to isaiaha Likely on the

676
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: forty nine yard touchdown two plays later. So you know,

677
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: I thought that certainly it seemed like the flags, the

678
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: calls were not going the Ravens way.

679
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: You know.

680
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: There was also the timeout by that was granted to

681
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo, the Chiefs defense coordinator, when the defense coordinator

682
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: is not allowed to call a timeout. You know, some

683
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: now I've seen Chief supporters saying like, oh no, the

684
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: back judge saw Andy Reid from fifty yards away and

685
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: he granted the timeout. The timeout wasn't granted by the

686
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: official who clearly on the TV copy called the time out.

687
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: When Steve Spagnolo came round up to him, it was.

688
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: Another official that called it.

689
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that was another weird one. You know,

690
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: there's the Mattabique hit to the helmet that wiped out

691
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: a second and twenty. You know, the replay show he

692
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: hit him in the helmet. Was it a hard hit

693
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: to the helmet? Was it malicious? No, but he hit

694
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: him in the helmet, So like, I'm just not going

695
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: to go down the like penalties are why the Ravens

696
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: lost this game. Isaiah Likely's toe was out of bounces.

697
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: As hard a pill as that is to swallow. It was,

698
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, by a whisker. So like, I'm just not

699
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: going to play. The penalties cost the Ravens a win card.

700
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. One other thing I think you know that the

701
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: Ravens do need to clean up is and it's not penalties,

702
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: it's communication on the defensive side of the ball. And

703
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, this was the first game for Zach Orr's

704
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, and you know, there was a lot of

705
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: things to like, but then they also had issues and

706
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: so they burned two timeouts in the second half basically

707
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: because of confusion around substitution. And they also had a

708
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: really bad bust to coverage that led to a touchdown

709
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: where you know, Xavier Worthy got wide open, Marlon Humphrey

710
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: seem to think that someone was going to be deep

711
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: and there wasn't anybody there, and so, you know, those

712
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: are those are things, especially the busted coverage that leads

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: to the touchdown, Like, you just can't have that. And

714
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: those timeouts sure would have been nice to have late

715
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: in the game when you were trying to go to

716
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: the length of the field and win the game. And

717
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: so Eurokwan Smith said afterwards that that's on, you know,

718
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: the communication starts with him, and that's an area where

719
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: they need to be better. They will be better, and

720
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: you know, I think that that is definitely something that

721
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: the defense is taking from this game. I think the defense,

722
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, this is a really good defense. They're not

723
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: gonna be happy with giving up twenty seven points, even

724
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: even to Kansas City, and you know, they have they

725
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: have a higher standard than that, and and they definitely

726
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: have a higher standard than allowing like communication lapses and

727
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: busted coverages like that's not that's not what this defense

728
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: is and so that is definitely going to be something

729
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: that they're working on, focused on, and Rookwan Smith made

730
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: that very clear in his comments after the game.

731
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that the thirty five yard wide open

732
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: touchdown passes Xavier Worthy in the fourth quarter was the

733
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: biggest turning point in the game, right, I mean, Isaiah

734
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: likely it just pulled a Lamar Jackson, hit the brakes,

735
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous forty nine yard touchdown and then busts the coverage

736
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: touch you know you're losing by ten points. That dramatically

737
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: changed the game. That was the biggest, biggest turning point

738
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: in the game. So you know, this is the Chiefs offense.

739
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: They have a lot of speed, as we saw was

740
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. He also had a twenty one yard touchdown run.

741
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: They have Patrick Mahomes who is Patrick Mahomes right? And

742
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: you know they have weapons all over the place. And

743
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I thought the Ravens defense did some things well. They

744
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: struggled with some other things. They really struggled covering Rashid

745
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Rice over the middle of the field seven catches for

746
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and three yards, like he just got loose

747
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: over the middle of that defense way too often last night.

748
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: But you know, Travis Kelce they put the clamps on.

749
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Kelsey really was not much of a factor at all.

750
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Three catches for thirty four yards. You know, had one

751
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: big play, a twenty three yarder. The Ravens gave up

752
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: just too many big plays through the air. I mean

753
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Rashie Rice thirty three yard or Xavier Worthy thirty five

754
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: yard or Kelsey twenty three yarder, Isaiah p Checo twenty

755
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: three yard catch and run, Justin Watson a twenty five yarder.

756
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: Right like that was what the Ravens defense did so

757
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: well last year, was not giving up big plays. There

758
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: was too many of those last night against the Chiefs,

759
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: and obviously the communication breakdown led to the touchdown.

760
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Yep, So let's close out. I think on a positive

761
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 2: note on all this will feel better?

762
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: Will feel better?

763
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean Isaiah like these the easy one nine

764
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: catches one hundred and eleven yards a touchdown obviously came

765
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: a toe away from another touchdown. I mean, he he is,

766
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: he's a stud. And sometimes you know, there are times

767
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: when you when you talk about all this guy's making

768
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: plays in practice he's been great all training camp. He's

769
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: been great all training camp. But I don't know that

770
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: I've ever can remember like that being such a talking

771
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: point and then it play out so clearly in the

772
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: opening game of the season, like this was even more

773
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: than I expected. So he is definitely something to be

774
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: He is someone to be excited about, and he's going

775
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: to be a huge factor for this offense.

776
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: The Ravens h for all the talk off this offseason

777
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: about the use of twelve personnel, two tight ends, using

778
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely on the field at the

779
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: same time, Like that's another point in it came to fruition,

780
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: right Like we were all like, we really hope we

781
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: see this, and then oh my god, it actually happened,

782
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: right Like, the Ravens used more twelve personnel last night

783
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: than they did in any game last season.

784
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: And uh so that.

785
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: I know, for fans that really wanted to see that

786
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: a lot, that's a really good sign. The Ravens used

787
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: twelve personnel on fifty two zero point seven percent of

788
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: their plays last night. Again, that's one running back, two

789
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: tight ends.

790
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: So Isaiah likely is here to stay.

791
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: That's that's the takeaway from that one, and I'm sure

792
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: glad because you know, he was the Ravens' most productive

793
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: pass catcher in this game and honestly could be their

794
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: most dangerous target. There's a case to be made. And

795
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: so you know, with that said, I think the Ravens

796
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: are gonna need more from some of their antsillary weapons,

797
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Rashad Bateman made a really a

798
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: fantastic catch late in that game on the final drive

799
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: of thirty eight yard catch where he just got up

800
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: and made a fingertips grabbed deep down the sideline. Big

801
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: time play by Bateman, and that's really good to see.

802
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't he for the majority of the

803
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: game was really not very involved at all. Zay Flowers

804
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: had ten targets, extremely involved, but not really down the field.

805
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: You know. It was a lot of short passes the him. Uh.

806
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, I think they need they need to find

807
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: a way to get Flowers more. He had one nineteen

808
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: yard catch in the first half on a crosser, but

809
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: getting him more involved than the intermediate to deeper stuff

810
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: is going to be important. Uh. And then we talk

811
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Likely, I mean twelve targets. Mark Andrews had two,

812
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: which I thought was surprising two catches for fourteen yards

813
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: from Mark Andrews. I do not think that going forward

814
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be that skewed in Isaiah Likely's you

815
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: know column. I think that that will certainly be a

816
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: more even split. But you know, the Ravens, that was

817
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: a surprising development in this game.

818
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, one last thing on something I liked.

819
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: I mean, like, Henry had thirty thirteen carries, forty six

820
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: stars in a touchdown. I think that I liked what

821
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: I saw from him. I think that he is It

822
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: wasn't like a monster night, but I think that, you know,

823
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: you he's gonna he's gonna. Like I feel good about

824
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: what Henry's going to bring to this offense, but I

825
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: also feel good about Justice Hill. He had six catches

826
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: fifty two yards, really good catching it out of the backfield.

827
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: We saw that last night, especially with the short stuff

828
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: that the Ravens wanted to get the ball, you know

829
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: on some of those short passes, and they were dumping

830
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: it off to Justice Hill and he was making plays happen.

831
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: So Henry is definitely going to be a workhorse. But

832
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: like Justice Hill showed that he is going to be

833
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: a very significant piece of the offense as well.

834
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, besides Dereck Henry scoring a touchdown on his first

835
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: drive as Raven, which was pretty awesome way to start things.

836
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: I thought there were a few other plays.

837
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: The fourth down conversion I thought was really a good

838
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: play by Henry, had immediate defender in his face and

839
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: saw his good feet on that play side step defender

840
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: pick up a key fourth down late in that game.

841
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: I thought that was an impressive play. They're going to

842
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: get Derek Henry roling Moore, you know, there's no doubt

843
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: about that. And I think Lamar just kind of took

844
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: over in this game and it was working. Their best

845
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: play was Lamar Jackson scramble. Offensively, that was their best

846
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: play of the night, you know, and so I think

847
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: they up with that. A couple quick notes Defensively, I

848
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: thought on players things to like defensively, David Ajabo, you know,

849
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: coming off burning that edge, I thought he was impressive,

850
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: comes up with a sack. I mean, David Ajabo, I'll

851
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: tell you he can finish like he is a finisher

852
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: at the quarterback and I thought that that was pretty

853
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: awesome to see from him to.

854
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: Get that sack.

855
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: Beat the rookie left tackle Kingsley Swamatia for a sack.

856
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: And I thought another player that we've talked a lot

857
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: about this offseason, Travis Jones, had a strong game, saw more,

858
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: saw a heavy workload more than Michael Pierce, which was

859
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: not really the case last season. It was a heavy,

860
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: heavy game for Travis Jones, and I thought he played

861
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: really well in this one.

862
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: One other things real quick is injury update. Kyle van

863
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: Noy left the game with an eye. Injury reports all

864
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: that he has a fractured orbital bone. That's from Steve

865
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: Weisch from the NFL Network. Not sure how long that's

866
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: going to keep him out. There was no questions to

867
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: John Harwall about that after the game, but that's the

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Speaker 2: if he's out, you know, that would be a that

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Speaker 1: So Tavius Robinson is his backup on the depth chart

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Speaker 2: So the Ravens, you know, now they're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: back in action, working up, working towards that game next week,

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Speaker 2: and it'll be a chance to get back on track.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think there's still a lot to

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Speaker 2: the season with a loss, but I still think, as

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Speaker 2: I've said many times here, I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot to be excited about with this team over

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Speaker 2: the course of the year. So you can email us

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Speaker 2: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with you next week as the Ravens prepare

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Speaker 2: for that game against the Raiders.