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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts now. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Round the League Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansus and I am joined by Roope. Filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes Chris Wesley, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What

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Speaker 1: up boys in standing in the round in the backup studio?

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Speaker 1: First off, an apology to all the listeners who who

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Speaker 1: wrote us very upset about the technical difficulties. Two points

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Speaker 1: tough for a few weeks while we are in our

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Speaker 1: temporary home here. Man, this might need to be a

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Speaker 1: rolling apology, right rolling a number two TD not behind

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Speaker 1: the glass. It's not his fault. It's like Matt Damon

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Speaker 1: and Goodwill Hunting. It's not your fault. T D. It's

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Speaker 1: not your fault. It's like he can't control it. It's

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Speaker 1: just the equipment is not as good in this temporary spot.

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Speaker 1: Williams it there. I thought there was only one line

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Speaker 1: in the whole movie, how about them apples? Come on,

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Speaker 1: Good Hunting? Is that a big Mini Driver fan? I

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Speaker 1: U Mini Driver? Who's the NFL equivalent exploded on the scene,

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Speaker 1: and and uh like a low maybe like a high

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Speaker 1: You thought she was gonna become something big and then disappeared.

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Speaker 1: Line Little Train James, I'll go don magic Man Magical.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I'm gonna go Carrie Colbert.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be good right away. Except

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Speaker 1: pounds to stay relevant. Oh. What I'm arguing is she

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Speaker 1: should not have done that. Be who you are. Apparently

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Speaker 1: she had the Giants coaching style. Anyways, al Right, okay, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: big show today, bear with us as we work our

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Speaker 1: way through this situation. And and also let's get a

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Speaker 1: little plugs in there right off the top. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Let's just thank our listeners who download our podcast on Stitcher.

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Speaker 1: Slight list just a tad suspicious. But give us some recommendations, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Big show today. As I said, we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: our making the Leap series, digging into some of the

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Speaker 1: players that we've not add who will go from relative

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. Chris Wesley had some thoughts about the

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Speaker 1: Perhaps that could be changing. But before any of that,

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Speaker 1: will start with the news. So what's up, t D.

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Speaker 1: How are you about it? What's going on? Guys? I

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Speaker 1: Zach Stacy faces some competition from a running back. But

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Speaker 1: Warner is heading into the Cardinals Ring of Honor. Mark,

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Speaker 1: He's available. He is available, NFL Network, NFL Network Zone.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner into the Ring of Honor. Mark. You wrote

427
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Speaker 1: a piece on this today. I would like you to

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Speaker 1: give your thoughts on Kurt Wanner, the man. I think

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Speaker 1: the bigger question for Kurt Warner is after this season

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Speaker 1: he's eligible eligible for the Hall of Fame. Do we

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Speaker 1: think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. I don't

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Speaker 1: really get into the whole first ballot thing because I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's predictable. It's unless you're Lawrence Taylor or

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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. I mean, who knows. That was my attempt

435
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Speaker 1: to steer it away from the four paragraph posts that

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Speaker 1: I wrote. He did a great job that we are

437
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Speaker 1: talking about the quarterback with the three highest single passing

438
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Speaker 1: game totals in Super Bowl history. That's a Super Bowl resident.

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Speaker 1: He's the Terrell Davis of quarterbacks. But I think unlike

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Speaker 1: uh Thrilled Davis, he will get in eventually. I don't

441
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Speaker 1: think he'll get in right away. I really think it

442
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: was the Cardinals Super Bowl run, which came up just short.

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Speaker 1: No fault of his own that will get him into

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. We might have to wait three

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Speaker 1: or four or five years. It's tough for Terry Bradshaw waited.

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Speaker 1: How long did he wait? It's it's crazy. It's kind

447
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Speaker 1: of interesting. Why he's the till Davis. You know, he

448
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Speaker 1: started out in the Arena League. He was you know,

449
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: everybody knows he was bagging groceries. He gets a benched

450
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Speaker 1: in New York, he gets benched in St. Louis. He's

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Speaker 1: playing okay in New York. He comes to Arizona. They

452
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Speaker 1: don't know enough to play him over at first. He

453
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Speaker 1: will be the first Hall of Famer to ever lose

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Speaker 1: a job to Matt Liner. And I bet he would

455
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Speaker 1: have played another year if not for bounty gate in

456
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Speaker 1: the Saints taking him out in that game. Interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's definitely a guy that later in his career was

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Speaker 1: brought into nurture, a guy that we knew would take

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Speaker 1: over the job soon enough, right, I mean, but I

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Speaker 1: like the fact that he kind of battled back from

461
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Speaker 1: being doubted over and over. Warners Warner is also one

462
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Speaker 1: of the few quarterbacks that you could say two organizations

463
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Speaker 1: in terms of modern play would point to him as

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Speaker 1: like their highest performing quarterback over a couple of se

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Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of those guys that that's true.

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Speaker 1: And and it is an amazing comeback story that he

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Speaker 1: had with the Cardinals because you think of how he

468
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Speaker 1: came out of nowhere with the Rams. But go back

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Speaker 1: to when the Giants got rid of him. He was

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Speaker 1: not a highly sought after guy. He was a guy

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Speaker 1: people wanted for one year to two million dollars. He'll

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Speaker 1: be your backup, He'll be the good guy in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. At that point, no one, including us, I

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Speaker 1: don't think, really thought he ever had a shot to

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Speaker 1: be that kind of top shelf quarterback. Again, here's how

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Speaker 1: important he was. Name another good Cardinals team in their history,

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Speaker 1: at least like seven with Neil Lomax, not even no not.

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's Stumber, your ceiling plumber got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But then they weren't good like those Cardinals teams which

480
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Speaker 1: really were contenders. I mean they made the Super Bowl

481
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Speaker 1: in the next year, they want a playoff game. We

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Speaker 1: have to move on. But want to name. Throw out

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Speaker 1: five names from the class of two thousand fifteen and

484
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Speaker 1: let me know or eligible in two thousand fifteen for

485
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. This all gets announced right on

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Speaker 1: the eve of the Super Bowl. So Warner, yes or no,

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Speaker 1: not this year, but eventually I agree. Yeah, Junior say, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a Hall of Famer. I don't know what year

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Speaker 1: I'll get in. I think he'll be first ballot. I

490
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Speaker 1: think he'll be first ballot Hall of Famer. Obviously, there

491
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Speaker 1: are other circumstances. Uh, Tony Dungee, well he's been up.

492
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Speaker 1: He was up last year, right, and he didn't get in.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think Marvin Harrison of the former cults

494
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Speaker 1: that are waiting again, to me, it's totally insane, he

495
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Speaker 1: didn't get it. I'm shocked, heating. That's why it's so

496
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Speaker 1: hard to predict first ballot. I was shocked at Marvin.

497
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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison very much doing coaches. I mean, if they're

498
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Speaker 1: gonna look at Dungee primarily obviously as a coach, that's

499
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Speaker 1: a rough road for some of these guys. NI Right,

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Speaker 1: all right, gentlemen, let's move forward the making the Leap Series.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we're counting down the top players most

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00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: likely to emerge as true impact players in the season.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Patra are around the League Chicago Correspondent wrote up

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Speaker 1: number twenty two on this list. Indeed, Kevin Patrick coming

505
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Speaker 1: at you on the phone, are you of air, keV,

506
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Speaker 1: I am here. Yeah, we thought it would never Buzz

507
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: has been building about this appearance for weeks now, Patra,

508
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of pressure on you to deliver.

509
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Speaker 1: I it was many beers ago that I wrote this post.

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Speaker 1: So we will do what happened, all right, Kevin Patrick,

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Speaker 1: So you wrote about number twenty two on our list.

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Speaker 1: He is Detroit Lions pass rusher Ziggy Anza. Of course,

513
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: Ansa was the number five overall pick in the draft,

514
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: showed some positive signs as a rookie, and now you

515
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Speaker 1: believe Ansa will go next level and year two. I do.

516
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Speaker 1: And Dan, it's actually tragedy that we didn't get to

517
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Speaker 1: do this Monday, because I had a great opening line

518
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Speaker 1: about you planning its Ziggynta from Ghana beyond the same

519
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: day the US played Ghana in the in the World Cup.

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Speaker 1: Just energy as heartbreaking as it was for Ghana to lose,

521
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it was still in there, so really

522
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Speaker 1: nothing lost. I do what I can so tell us

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Speaker 1: about Ziggy, Well, when I put on the table, I mean,

524
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Speaker 1: you saw that he had eight sacks last year and

525
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: he came out of b y U as this raw

526
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: pass rushing talent is what he was labeled as and

527
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Speaker 1: what surprised me the most, I think, and what I

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Speaker 1: think is going to get him through to make the leap,

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Speaker 1: and then this next year is his his awareness on

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Speaker 1: the field. He actually was much better in run defense

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Speaker 1: than he was in past defense. The eight facts jump out,

532
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Speaker 1: but a lot of those, by my account, half of

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Speaker 1: those at least were a product of him having a

534
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: high motor, but Sue and fairly flushing out a quarterback

535
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Speaker 1: from the middle of the pocket forward him or him

536
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: being the last person near him as he went out

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Speaker 1: of bounds. So I really think that his awareness and

538
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Speaker 1: his athleticism and that motor that I spoke of are

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Speaker 1: the main reasons that he's going to make the leap.

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Speaker 1: And his second year with Jim washburn when you noticed

541
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Speaker 1: they scrapped the entire coaching staff, they cut the defensive

542
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Speaker 1: line coach Jim washburn on, I think Ziggy was one

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Speaker 1: of the main reasons because of his improvement over the

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Speaker 1: second half of theater. So if Ziggy makes the leap

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Speaker 1: and they slimmed down, Nick fairly bounces bounces back to

546
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Speaker 1: two thousand twelve form, will anybody score on the lines issue? Well, yeah,

547
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Speaker 1: because you still have huge question marks from this. I mean,

548
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: they're not going to get to the quarterback every play, right,

549
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know Ziggy huge question marks in the second secondary,

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Speaker 1: so I would say they will score. Yeah. He you know,

551
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: was talked about like he was far more raw than

552
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul and he had played so little football.

553
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: And what I watched the an was similar to what

554
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: you did, is that he looked apart and he was

555
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: very good and run support. He was thought as a

556
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: guy that maybe wouldn't be strong enough, and he looked

557
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: ready for it. And part of the reason I like

558
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: having him on making the leap. He's gonna play more,

559
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: not just starting. But his snaps were fairly limited last year,

560
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: and yes, maybe some of those sacks were cleaning up

561
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: uh and taking advantage of his situation, but he's going

562
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: to have that again this year. And if you keep

563
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: getting those sort of easy sacks, he'll get thirteen fourteen,

564
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Speaker 1: and we'll look like geniuses. And that's really what it's

565
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: all about. It's all about spinning it back towards us

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Speaker 1: and Greatness. We work a remote control car into the

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Speaker 1: making the Leap series. That's gonna be making the Leap

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Speaker 1: number one spoiler alert. I also think that I think

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Speaker 1: he's also gonna get moved around the lineman work because

570
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: he was still going to run the four. I think

571
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: they could mix them up in the defensive interior next

572
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: year a little bit more. They did that. He had

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Speaker 1: like twenty or so snaps on the inside. Most of those,

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Speaker 1: from what I saw, were stunts with Sue on one

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Speaker 1: side or the other. Um, but I think that they

576
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: couldn't move him around a little bit more to take

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Speaker 1: more advantage of matchups. Remember, I remember when I saw

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00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: stunts with Sue and concert. Um. What's the biggest obstacle

579
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Speaker 1: for him? Well, first of all, I've got to stay

580
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: healthy like great excided he didn't go through injury problems.

581
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: He had concussion early in the season, didn't miss any

582
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Speaker 1: time with that. He had and he had the abdomen

583
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: problem and then he missed two games with an ankle injury.

584
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: So when he's got to stay healthy. He's the off

585
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: season shoulder surgery now, which they knew when they drafted

586
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: him that he would probably need. Uh so him the

587
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: same time in the off season in a pivotal year

588
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: where he couldn't make the lead is it doesn't bode well,

589
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's gonna hurt his chances. He

590
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: also has to get his techniques better. I mean, good

591
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: tackles shut him down. Watching Joe Thomas just just gobble

592
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: him up every single time, it got so redundant that

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00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: I just kept flipping through because he really did. I mean,

594
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: besides the bull rush and coming out wide outside on

595
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: that wide nine, he really doesn't have any other pass

596
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: rushing techniques. He had all been getting heavy guys often

597
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: wind with heavy hands off of him. That that sames

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00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: came when he could overpower the left tackle. Well, that

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00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: sounds good, Thank you very much, Kevin Patrick. Kevin Patrick,

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Speaker 1: by the way, uh, we're gonna let him get back

601
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Speaker 1: to it. Working on an unauthorized biography of Chicago native

602
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: and former X File star Jillian Anderson. True or falls, Kevin,

603
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you look for that, all right, Kevin Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Good talking to you, buddy, It's so good to hear

605
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Kevin's voice because I would go out on a limb

606
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: all due respect West, that Kevin Patrick is the most

607
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: masculine member of a t O. Why did you say,

608
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: because you're a very masculine man yourself, and and that's

609
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: not to take anything away from Gregor Mark and now

610
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: are you've taken nothing away from us, and don't worry

611
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: about that. Um, that that would be that would be

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00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: my comment that West is you know, West is a man.

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00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Look at them, look at those shoulders. But you know Patrick,

614
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: it fights a lot, so it's good to hear his voice.

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00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking Patrick in the fight's move? Who was

616
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: the last person that you said it was a bad

617
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: move to take Peter King over you? Alright, so let's

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Speaker 1: let's move forward with another making leave candidate West. It

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: is now your turn to speak up because you are

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Speaker 1: all in New Orleans Saints running back Kyrie Robinson. Um,

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Speaker 1: you seem to be excited about him as being an

622
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: instant impact type guy this year. I do. I think

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Speaker 1: it all started late last season. We uh if you

624
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: recall watching the playoff gaming as the Seahawks when I

625
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: think it was John Lynch was announcing and related the

626
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: anecdote that Bill Park's Bill Parcels called up Sean Payton,

627
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: his former pupil, and said, you know what are you doing?

628
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Play Kyrie Robbins and this guy's the next Curtis Martin.

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Speaker 1: If that doesn't get your attention, I mean Bill Parcels

630
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: presented Curtis Martin at the Hall of Fame. Maybe he'll

631
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Speaker 1: be doing it for Kyrie Robinson someday. Maybe. What what

632
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: about Robinson? Get you uh excited in the morning? First

633
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: thing you wake up? Robinson? Yeah, I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't get out of bed in the morning until

635
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: I think about running backs. I thought, you know, he's

636
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Speaker 1: a tackle breaker. This amazing stat from Pro Football Focus.

637
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: Kyrie Robinson, on regular season carries alone seventy six snaps,

638
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: had more forcedmis tackles than Ray Rice did on seven snaps.

639
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: He's a natural tacker. He led all backs in the

640
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: preseason enforcedmith tackles and had This is a demonstrated skill.

641
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: He had more yards after contact in the playoffs than

642
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynsonagret Blunt, and Blunt broke a record for the

643
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: only running back to have honor and fifty yards and

644
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: four ts in a playoff game. It's hard to figure

645
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: out the way New Orleans plans to use its running

646
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: backs from year to year, but they have whittled it down.

647
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: They got rid of Chris Ivory, Darren Sprowles is out

648
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: the building. Only one of their six running acts were drafted.

649
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: And Robinson, You're right, he saw more carries down the stretch.

650
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: And it seems with the stuff we heard in Orlando

651
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: from Sean Payton and just a consistent kind of buzz

652
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: from the coaching staff that Robinson along with Ingram. But

653
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: Robinson's going to see a much bigger load this season.

654
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Are we gonna as long as Drew Brees is there

655
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: and throwing as much as he does, Are we ever

656
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: gonna see? Though? Maybe this is what could hold him back,

657
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: that offense really installing and running back that gets enough

658
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: work to make the leap. There's no question that's as

659
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: big as obstacle. Greg did Pierre Thomas last year, I'm

660
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: making a leap and said the same thing the committee attached.

661
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: Since Drew, since Deuce McAllister's prime, they have not had

662
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: a thousand yard back and I wouldn't expect Kyrie Robinson

663
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: to be that either. Last year he only caught one pass.

664
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Speaker 1: So I went back and I did a little research

665
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: into his pass catching ability. He he looked like a

666
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: pass catching maniac in the preseason. There was one game

667
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: he got caught six passes. I think the game before

668
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: that he caught five. He caught sixty passes in his

669
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: last two years in college. He looks like he can

670
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: do this naturally. This is something that he can do,

671
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: but he had to pick up his assignments and get

672
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: used to pass protection. The coaches all say he's doing

673
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: that better this year, but he still I would imagine

674
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna be way behind Pire Thomas in that he jumps

675
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: off the screen though he he reminds you a little

676
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: bit of a young Marius Jones Drew just bouncing off

677
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: of guys. And his biggest obstacle is basically just keeping

678
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: mark Ingram on the bench as much as possible, because

679
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: for the fifth strade year, we're getting some residual mark

680
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: Ingram hype out of Saints Camp two, and to me,

681
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: it's just you watched the two, you would think Robinson's

682
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: the first round pick. I think so definitely. I thought

683
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: going through just by the time I had finished his

684
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: preseason film. I thought I had already seen more out

685
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: of Kyie Robinson than I saw to mark ingram in

686
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: four years in out of Trent Richardson and two Kyie

687
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: Robinson looks like the guy who's a first round draft pick.

688
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: And what really sticks out is he has exceptional balance.

689
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: If somebody's arm tackles him and he looks like he's

690
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: gonna fall, he somehow keeps his balance, keeps going and

691
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: gets yards after contact. And he has good vision too.

692
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: He gets the hole, put his foot in the ground

693
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and explodes through it. West. How about some before we

694
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Speaker 1: move on? Final two thousand fourteen stats prediction. All right,

695
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Speaker 1: do you want to do your over under the al

696
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: right over under a hundred Carris over well over al

697
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: right over under five yards over well over, come on? Well,

698
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: what are we making the list here? If he's five

699
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: hundred yards? Unless you Kristin Michael, I'm gonna go. I

700
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: would set the over undering yards at about seven sneaking

701
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: for the sky. I think a thousands. Not that crazy.

702
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Thomas is the pass catcher, Robinson's the runner. It's not

703
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: that crazy. I just I have this vision in my

704
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: head of him. Like exploding on the scene in the

705
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: playoffs again when they're gonna need a cold weather back

706
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: and well they could get him for an advantage. They've

707
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: been a good running team over the years. Overall, they'll

708
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: rank in the top ten in rushing. I think there

709
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: are yards there for him. I'm a Homer for all

710
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: these guys now putting his red editorial pencil on your prediction.

711
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: These are his boys, all right. Before we get out

712
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: of here, I just wanted to touch on something west

713
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: set downstairs that kind of struck a chord with all

714
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the heroes downstairs. You said that the Seattle Seahawks and

715
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners have some real competition in terms

716
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: of entering the season. They're usually there seems to be

717
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: a big talent golf and maybe overall uh team level

718
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: golf between the these two teams and the rest. But

719
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: you say it's getting tighter and tighter, which you'll be

720
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: interesting heading into a new season. I think entering last

721
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: year and throughout the season, everybody assumed that the Seahawks

722
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: and forty Niners where the NFC superpowers, and after the

723
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl everyone pointed out that what the Seahawks did

724
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to the Broncos. The forty Niners could have done the

725
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: same thing, and I think they've lost a little ground

726
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: this off season, really through no fault of their own.

727
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: But I really like what the Packers and Saints have

728
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: going for them, and I think they could be equally

729
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: strong is the forty Niners and Seahawks, if not stronger.

730
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: You've been saying you think the Saints could have the

731
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: best record in the NFC. Part of that is because

732
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: they don't play in the NFC West, right, That's part

733
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: of it. But I really love they picked up how

734
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: many teams pick up two difference makers in one offseason?

735
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: And if you buy into Brandon Cooks, which it seems

736
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: we are, Mark has called him the favorite for to

737
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: lead rookie receivers and in production. Bucky Brooks has predicted

738
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: seventy catches for him as a rookie on our podcast,

739
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: and I think Drew Brees said today, Look, this guy's

740
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of what Darren Sprowls did for us.

741
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: They're excited about him. I think if you look at

742
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: their offense last year, Greg pointed this out several times,

743
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: they had kind of grown staleent wide receiver. No, but

744
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: They're tight end. Was there was their downfield threat. Now

745
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Kenny Steeles will have a bigger rule. Brandon Cooks comes in,

746
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Kyree Robinson gets elevated to a bigger rule. They have

747
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: an injection of playmaking ability really on both sides of

748
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: the ball here, Mark, I don't think that Seattle has

749
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I think I think you make the point that these

750
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: other teams are creeping closer to Seattle. For instance, I

751
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: don't think Seattle has done anything that tells me they've

752
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: taken a step back. They're one of the healthiest organizations

753
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: in football, and San Francisco I can buy that a

754
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: little bit more in terms of aspects of their team.

755
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't love their past defense necessarily, but uh, you know,

756
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: Green Bay naturally inherently is going to be a better

757
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: football team because hey, you're not gonna have Aaron Rodgers

758
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: on the bench for nine games or whatever it was.

759
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: He's coming back, I'm not this time, and you're getting

760
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: what essentially is almost a refurbished starting defense with all

761
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: the players are getting back. I guess for me, it's

762
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: it's not about Seattle declining, though on any I don't

763
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: think are either. I think that whereas last year, they

764
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: had very little legitimate competition. You know, I think I

765
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: never thought the Saints were a threat to them. Last year.

766
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: I thought the Panthers would win that division and played

767
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: out that way, and it did. I I the Saints

768
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: had too many flaws. What I think this year is

769
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: the Saints are equally as powerful as them. They've gotten

770
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: better the Packers you mentioned, they basically have a new

771
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: starting defense. Guys that weren't on the field in their

772
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: playoff loss to the forty Niners. Claim Matthews, Casey Hayward,

773
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: who was the best cornerback the year before. I think

774
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Brad Jones, the linebacker wasn't there. Dayton Jones, who wasn't

775
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: making the lead candidate this year, barely played in that game.

776
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde, who could be a three down player this year,

777
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: barely played. They've got four or five guys that are

778
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Julius Peppers who they signed. They've got so many guys

779
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: that that are among their best players who weren't on

780
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: the field. And one guy like Julius Peppers is the

781
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: perfect example of a in the middle of June, we

782
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: are just flying with excitement about the concept of him.

783
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: And then let's see where we are November with him,

784
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: but in general, the Packers have a lot of young talent.

785
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: What's interesting for me is if you were to examine

786
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: this Seattle Sam Francisco level of talent against the a

787
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: f C, the a f C, to me, has nothing

788
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: going on. I'm not sure if the forty Niners are

789
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: definitely there, And part of it is just a habit

790
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: of mine that over the years, what comes up in

791
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: the NFL always comes down, you know, regression to the mean.

792
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we're entering a new era

793
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: of NFL football where we're back to these superpower teams,

794
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: because it's starting to look like that the Seahawks and

795
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: the forty nine and the Patriots, the Bronco they've all

796
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: been the best teams for a few years now, and

797
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: even the Packers in the SAT they've been good for

798
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: a while. Recent NFL history tells us either the fort

799
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: the Seahawks aren't making the playoffs because good teams don't

800
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: stay that good that long. What about if we're saying

801
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: that maybe they didn't get worse, but you know, they're

802
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: not gonna have Navarro Bowman perhaps for the whole year,

803
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna probably won't have Eldon Smith for

804
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: at least some bit of time, but perhaps he could be.

805
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: He could be in jail for all we know, but

806
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: he'll almost certainly be suspended. Those are two huge pieces

807
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: of that offense that aren't gonna be there. Losing cornerbacks too.

808
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: Eric Right Right, who just he retired his defensive coordinator.

809
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, said that he asked Eric Right to move

810
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: inside to play nickelback last week, and Right promptly retired.

811
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: That was greg made the analogy downstairs. That's like I

812
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: greg As signing Mark as an example to write something

813
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: about the NFC South, and and Mark going, I don't

814
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: want to write about the NFC South. I retire, not

815
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: like you'll take a couple of days to think about it,

816
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: or I'm just peeved and I'll go another job. And

817
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: let's get straight. What do he was asked to do?

818
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: He was asked to move three ft to his left.

819
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: By the way, had I signed a five million dollar

820
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: deal a couple of years ago, maybe I would quit.

821
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, gentlemen, unless you have anybody had

822
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: any other thoughts about that situation. All right, let's get

823
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: out of here. We'll be back on Friday with our

824
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: third and final show with the week, it will be

825
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement. There will still be in the

826
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: dungeon as we call it, or I just said that

827
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: for the first time feels yeah, it feels app not

828
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: as good as Sessler's dungeon. Cessler has a dungeon. Chris

829
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: has slept there. That's a whole other story. We'll be

830
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: back on Friday. Until then, the Stan and signing off

831
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Speaker 1: for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss that take date